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As you know, America just had a presidential election. It's been a very hectic and at times a very contentious campaign season. Many people have been offering their opinions, but unfortunately most don't have a clue what they're talking about. That's because they haven't been in the heat of the battle directly, but that's not true for our next special guest. This man sparked strong reactions across the board. For some, he's a powerful voice of truth in an unapologetic champion of viewpoints often dismissed or suppressed by the mainstream media.
For others, he's a controversial figure, one who's views and commentary of spark disagreement, criticism and passionate debate. Whether you're here as a supporter or an inquisitive observer or even a skeptic, there's one thing we can all agree on.
Tucker Carlson has had a profound impact on how millions of Americans think about politics, culture and the media. Today, he's joining us to share his insights and answer my questions in an open thought provoking conversation whether you love him, hate him or just want to hear more, please. Help me welcome the very awesome Tucker Carlson. Yeah, so let's start with what in the heck is the last three days of your life, Ben?
Wild. Yeah, I didn't expect that. Yeah. I spent almost 35 years being paid to make predictions about elections. I don't think I ever got a single one. Oh, bless you. Sorry, I left the sacred beverage backstage. Yeah, I would not have predicted that at all that Donald Trump would not only win, but win decisively with a mandate, the majority of the popular vote.
The first Republican to do that other than the post 9-11 election in 40 years. So I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it meant, but I mean big picture it means that the current way of doing things has been decisively rejected, most notably by young people.
One of the last election were Republicans, one young people. You always think of your blue hair daughter lecturing you about saying, no, your blue hair daughter voted for Trump, which is kind of wild. She shouldn't have blue hair, but whatever she voted for Trump.
He won half of Hispanics, the overwhelming majority of Hispanic men, like all the guy that they've been telling us is a racist for the last nine years. If you knew one thing about Donald Trump from 2015 until Tuesday was that he was a racist because they never stopped telling you that. And his numbers with black voters went up, his numbers with Hispanic voters just crushed it because he's never seen anything like that.
And so whatever else he is, he's like not a racist, obviously. So I do think it's time for his opponents to recalibrate. I don't think any of this is actually about race or sex. I think most people are kind of tired of that. I think those were cul-de-sex in the first place. I think they were in fact in some sense, si-ops meant to distract us from what actually matters, which is like economics and war.
The things that matter, that changed the course of history. And I think on both of those questions, the current administration, it's like reckless to the point of craziness. We're on the brink of nuclear war. Why? Take a poll of Americans. How many Americans think it's worth risking nuclear war to teach Putin a lesson? I mean, the whole thing is freaking nuts. And because of the nature of our media, which is just North Korean, we're no dissenting view is allowed. It shouted down immediately.
I don't think people appreciate the current state of the United States relative to the rest of the world, which is greatly diminished and imperiled. I mean, we're really on the brink of catastrophic conflict, which we will lose in two different theaters, at least. So, you know, the Biden administration did that. When it was less to me, we read that in the New York Times or saw it on Morning Joe, you haven't.
But people sensed that things were not moving in the right direction, then domestically, the Biden administration and then the Kamala Harris campaign were both convinced that inflation was not real somehow. Or that it was just right-wing media complaining about it. It was just Fox News making a big story out of it to get their moron voters to the polls or something. But actually, the data showed going back to the COVID checks that it was entirely real, by the way it was predictable.
But it was as real as $9 butter. I mean, I just like, I didn't even want to the grocery store knew that, but they could not comprehend it. And instead spent this entire, you know, three and a half, four years lecturing the rest of us about trans issues and race. And you may have your opinions on those things, but they're hardly central to the functioning of a country. Like, what are you even talking about?
And it turns out that there are politics where the politics of unhappy rich girls actually, just to be totally blunt about it. And unhappy rich girls make up a very small percentage of the American population. So everyone else voted for Trump. So, okay, now we can have a discussion about adult issues. And I'm really gratified. I don't think, again, that's ideological. It's not even right versus left. Republican versus Democrats.
And I think that's what I think about the Democrats, like adults versus people who put signs on their front lawns telling you they believe in science. Well, people like that don't know what science is. You don't mean their view of science is shut up, don't ask questions. Really don't think that science actually. I think that's kind of the opposite of science. Whatever.
Those people lost. The people who live in Brooklyn and Bethesda and all the screechy people I deal with in airports, they lost. And I'm really glad. Sorry. No, no, it's great. Yeah, I love it. So, if you could advise America's leaders on restoring the country, what would you suggest focusing on politically or spiritual changes?
Well, both those things. I mean, first of all, de-emphasize the race stuff. That's just total poison. Nobody talks about it. Like, in your life, you know, are you, when no one's around, and you're just with your spouse, your college roommate, your brother, your closest friends, are you like mad about race?
Probably not. Most people don't spend their lives thinking about race. Or other people's sex lives for that matter. They just don't. And if our leaders encourage us to have yet another fake conversation about race, which is really just one person yelling at another person, that person having to take it.
Like, that does nothing but divide the country and makes people hate each other, which is of course their goal. So stop with that. If you engender racial conflict in a population, it's very hard to make that go way.
Most Americans do not want that at all. They don't see race first. It's just a fact. These are all facts. This is not a racist country. It's a really nice country. It's a country where people give directions to strangers and like taking stray dogs. It's just people aren't racist actually. And so stop with that stuff. Restore the colorblind meritocracy that we were promised that is the basis of America. Innovation comes when the most energetics, smartest people are allowed to do their thing.
And so, the ones allowed to build rockets. And it doesn't matter sort of what color they are, what gender they are. It just matters that they have the energy and the drive and the intelligence and the ability to organize sufficient to get that done. That's just true. And so, dismantle the state. The kind of I hate to say it, but they're always calling Trump a Nazi really. Is he the one who said every person in America has to like identify by race by bloodline? That's sick.
We rejected that actually in 1945 and we should reject it again. And unleash the best within each one of us. You build this monument to Martin Luther King on the mall. Okay, let's follow its precepts. Let's judge each other by the content of our character, by what we do rather than how we were born. That is the promise of America.
And that we spend all this time taking care of gearing our education system to the people who learn the slowest. Maybe we should spend a little bit of time helping the people who learn the quickest. It can't just be making every school dumber. What about like the smart kids who want to learn and want to create? Like they should be allowed to do that too. Just back off and let people do their thing and you will create an incredibly beautiful country and stop encouraging them to hate each other.
So those are kind of vibe shifts. These are not specific policies. Those are the first two things I would do. Second, restore order to the world. We again, I cannot overstate this. I'm going to travel a lot internationally. How close to nuclear conflict the United States has been for the past three years, almost three years come February. Like on the precipice of it. And because our media don't report this, I think most Americans don't really have a sense of it.
But we are truly on the end of the edge of like ending human life globally. It's crazy. Nothing like this. Nothing as crazy has ever happened. Probably ever in history. And so the role of the United States, if the United States is going to be a global leader, not its policeman, but a leader, a force for good, it has to become what it once was, which is a force for order and stability, not endless revolution, which is what we've had.
Let's knock off the leader of that country and hope for the best. Well, that didn't work. We killed Kadoffi. We killed Saddam. Those countries became worse than they were before. They're open slave markets and triply Libya. Well, just ignore that. The same people who did that just move on. Let's bump off Pashar al-Assad in Syria.
Let's kill Putin and hope for the best stop. No more revolutions. This is what the Soviet Union is to do. Run around the world trying to ferment revolutions, overthrow one government and hope that a better government would take its place. That's not how life works actually.
It takes an awful long time to create something worth having. Progress is incremental. Destruction is instant. I can smash a play glass window in a second. Try to make one. You know how play glass window is made? It's complicated.
That's true for countries, too. Restore order. The United States should be a force for order. No, we're not going to blow up your natural gas pipeline, which we did to Germany. Destroy the German economy. Destroy the German economy. I don't know how many of you travel to Europe. Europe is Germany. The European economy is Germany. That economy has been crushed by what we did. Stop doing things like that.
Reorient away from permanent revolution and the lunatics are now running the State Department, beginning with the chief lunatic who's also stupid, Tony Blinken, all the way down the chain. Just reorient the whole thing. No, our job is to be paternal. When, if you're a father, you come home, your kids are fighting. If your first instinct is to tell them to keep fighting, hit him harder!
You're a monster. You're a moral criminal. You're a bad dad. No, your instinct is consistent with your duty, which is to tell them to knock it off and make up. Make things better. Trump is always, and he does a lot, I think, to feed this perception. He's often criticized as reckless or seat of the pants or whatever, but in fact the opposite is true. I think it is being reported in the last five minutes that one of the first things Trump did after winning was to speak to both Zelensky and Putin.
To make it really clear that the net effect of this war in Ukraine has only been the total destruction of the nation of Ukraine. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men killed. Eastern Ukraine destroyed. Really, just the elimination of a country, the biggest country in Europe. There's been no upside to this at all. It's been effectively a genocide against the Ukrainians.
We're going to stop it now. We're going to stop it. That's what a United States President should do. This lunatic who's been running our country for the past four years, hasn't spoken to Putin once because he's immoral. Really? Okay. Immoral. Find a world leader who's not immoral.
What do leaders do? Well, a lot of them kill people. In fact, I'd say about 100% of them do. If they have enough power, they kill people who are in their way. That's what they do. Sorry. I'm against that. That's why I'm not a leader. But that's the nature of global leadership. So it's not a question of finding a good person in charge of a large country.
I'm not going to. There aren't any. But you can find better people and you can arrive critically at better outcomes. And the better outcome is no more war. And Trump did that instantaneously. And I think it's going to work. That's worth voting for him alone. If you voted for Trump.
You know, there are people in your life who are like, I can't believe you voted for that guy. He's a rapist. Okay. First of all, who do you rape exactly? Or lots of people really what their names and why hasn't even charged shut up? Actually, what are you even talking about? Stop with that. Don't accuse someone of rape. Like what? Stop talking like that.
You're running around accusing people of things of crimes of felonies without any evidence. Like what's your name? They can't answer. It's the whole thing's nuts. Stop lecturing me. Adults, people who run countries. The first thing they do is try and stop pointless war. They don't foment pointless wars. They end them. And Trump just did that. So if you voted for Trump on that basis alone, you should be proud of what you did in my opinion.
So you have, you've interviewed so many people. I mean, recently Elon Musk, I mean, you interviewed Putin earlier in the year. What was that experience like? It was great. It was super interesting. And I should just say that when I interview somebody, obviously I'm endorsing everything that person's ever done.
You know, you really, it does really go back to the American media where I've spent my entire life on the son of a journalist. I grew up around it. So that makes it 55 years I've been around this. And it's current state is just, it's almost beyond description. In how low and poisonous and dishonest it is. I'm just ashamed to be a part of it. No, I mean, of course you would want to interview.
You know, your defaults, if your job is to interview people, is to interview the most powerful people in the world, the most significant people in the world. And the point of those interviews is to ask them obvious questions and then let the public in your country, in my case, it's the United States, decide what they think. That's my job.
And so the idea that you wouldn't interview somebody because the State Department doesn't like him. Or the senile guy in charge of the country is declared war on him without a congressional resolution. The government doesn't want you to interview. I don't care what the government wants. I'm an American citizen. I can talk to anybody I want to. And moreover, I can have any opinion I want to. That's my birth rate.
And that's why I don't live in Sri Lanka. Okay. Or North Korea or any other country. I'm American. Okay. That's what it is to be American. So I'm not being defensive. I actually don't care that the New York Times called me a Putin lover. What I don't, you know, anyone who believes in New York Times is like, okay. Good luck. But it's just a little bit bewildering that nobody else wanted to interview Putin because what the CIA tells you you're not supposed to want to.
If the CIA tells me I'm not supposed to want to do something and they certainly made that very clear to me, that makes me want to do it more. That's my job. And if you find yourself, like on the set of Morning Joe, taking orders from the intel agencies, then maybe you should just go work for the intel agencies. Maybe you should admit that to your viewers.
Well, you know, today's program is brought to you by the NSA because effectively it is. And the intel agencies have a much greater role in American news coverage than most news consumers understand. I would say that virtually any news consumers understand. And I've seen it, you know, for over 30 years. So I'm very familiar with it. But it's absolutely crazy that no one has stopped it. And I'm praying. It's very hard to stop it, by the way.
I'm praying that Donald Trump will. I mean, that's on a long to-do list. But I would say near the top, you have to, if you want to restore democracy, which you don't currently really have, the lefties are right about that. They don't want it. I do want it. I actually like democracy because I think it's my country. I was born here. I'm an owner of this system.
I'm not a renter or a surf. But if you want to restore it, you have to prevent the government from using your tax dollars to lie to you. Because if you have that system, which we currently have, trust me, I can speak with authority on this, then you don't have a democracy.
Because you don't even know what reality is. In other words, the people in charge are deciding what you can know about what they're doing. Well, that's a rigged system by its nature. How is that not a rigged system? How is that democracy? It's not. It's an oligarchy of the worst kind. And I just don't think people in this country understand the degree to which the information that they received over their Google machines or from NBC News or from the last of the dying newspapers.
They don't understand just how filtered that information is. You have no idea what's going on the rest of the world if you're only getting your news in this country. You have no idea what the candidates are really like. It's really crazy. We have an ongoing debate in my office because we travel a lot. Does the average North Korean peasant have a better idea of what's happening in the world than the average person in a suburb of Boston?
It's actually open to debate. That's how filtered it is. And so the first step toward fixing it is admitting that you have the problem. Let's stop pretending. If you can't even go interview Putin who's engaged in a war in the middle of Europe. If you're discouraged from doing that and the US government tried to stop me from doing that by breaking into my signal account and leaking it to the New York Times. They got caught. They admitted it.
If that's allowed, no one was ever fired for it. No other than the New York Times didn't rise to my defense. You can't use an Intel agency to prevent a journalist from doing a job. No, it's totally fine. Man, it's a really, really rotten system. And it's the basis of all we know. How do you know what's happening in the world? How do you know what reality is? Well, because you see it on your phone.
So you have to have honest sources of information or at least a diversity of sources of information. You don't have to trust anyone's source, but you got to have a choice. It can't all just be, you know, meeky broszinski telling you what happened yesterday because not good.
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It's pretty hard. I've gone so crazy and obviously I wouldn't recommend this to other people, but I don't read any news at all ever. I don't read any of it. I was in it too long. I know how poisoned it is. It's like watching a, you know, sometimes you meet nurses who are the most honest people in hospitals in my experience. And they'll tell you, like, oh man, don't get any cardiac catheter at that hospital. No, kill you. You probably believe the nurse, like she works there.
And that's how I feel about media. Like, I know how it works. And so I don't read any of it. I get all my information from people via text message. I travel a ton to see things firsthand because there's no replacing that. But the advice that I would, I give my own children on this question is, go with your gut. Like, I actually think we have a much more accurate sort of internal measuring system for truth than we understand.
Like, you know when someone's lying to you, you're born with that ability to discern truth from mine. Now, it's, it's, it's unerring, but it's in precise. In other words, if I feel someone's lying to me, he is. That person's lying. Like, my dogs know. Like, if you show up at my house and you're creepy, my dogs have no idea what you're saying. They don't need to know. They know you're creepy and they'll startle you.
And then I know you're creepy because my dogs have already vetted you. All of it. No, and I mean it. And you're not welcome for dinner at that point. I don't know what you did, but it's gross. All of it. No, yeah, I'm not joking at all. Sorry, sorry, sorry, you failed the spaniel test. I'll see you. Good luck. Freak.
All of us have the very same ability. Our instincts are our most honest guide because your instincts are designed only to help you. They're not trying to sell you anything. They're not trying to get elected to anything. They're not trying to scam you. They're not selling you a time share anywhere.
They're merely trying to protect you and inform you and so much of the information that we take in sort of bypasses the five senses that science tell us are the sum total of our intelligence gathering apparatuses. I mean, that's like a total crock. Intuition is not technically a sense because science is like a joke actually. It doesn't fully describe the human experience or even close to it.
It's absurd. It lacks imagination. It's a scam, I would say. Obviously, but we have been trained to believe that our senses are somehow less valid than things that we read on Wikipedia, which is totally controlled by the CIA. And the truth is the opposite is right. If you're listening to someone speak and that person seems deceptive, do not believe that person. Period. Tim Walls comes out who ran with Kamala Harris. I remember Tim Walls.
And I saw Tim Walls and I'm like, I don't, you know, I'm not going to indict him for that. I was like, that guy's a creep. Just flat out. I'm sorry. Yes. And I'm not, I'm not calling the, you know, US attorney trying to get him indicted or anything because I don't have evidence. But I just knew instantly that guy's lying to me.
And I think we all sort of know that. You know, you can just tell. And so like when the media came out and said, you know, the Nord Stream pipeline got blown up the biggest natural gas pipeline in the world, which fed the economy of Germany, of Europe, of the EU, or NATO ally. And it got blown up and they're like, yeah, Putin did it. Putin did it. Really? He blew up his own natural gas pipeline. Why did he do that? Well, because he's evil.
So you're telling me that Putin is so evil that he attacked himself. Because he just couldn't, he couldn't help himself. Like he ran out of people to stab. So he just started stabbing himself in the face. Is that what you're telling me? That's just the nature of evil. Yeah, that's what we're telling you. Shut up. You're lying. Like I knew instantly that they were lying. Instantly they were lying. And by the way, I had the privilege of saying so.
It was not welcome by my bosses. I got fired in the end. But, um, but I said, that's a lie. You're lying. Oh, how do you know or lie? Well, because it doesn't make any sense. And also your lips are moving and you're a liar. And I know that you are. So shut up. Oh, you shut up. But you Putin, too. Okay. Thanks, son. You're still lying. And that turned out to be really good guy. And then of course we learned later, we're going to wait up the Nord Stream pipeline. Obviously.
And now we're blaming on the Ukrainians, whoever's not even an interesting conversation. But Putin did not pull up the Nord Stream pipeline. We now admit that it was a lie. It was very clearly a lie. And we're in my old job. Someone said to me, well, how do you know that? Did you have insight intel? No, sitting in my living room in Maine, you know, looking at my, on my iPhone, I'm like, that's just BS. And I felt totally impact. I think what made me different from others.
Was I felt totally empowered to say so. I don't feel any obligation to go along with that. Like, why would I? Don't be intimidated. I guess that's kind of what I'm saying. Don't be intimidated. Something doesn't make sense. Say, well, hold on, pal. You know, I don't get what, you know, what is that? So you become a woman by saying so. Like, what are the mechanics of that? Does it change your DNA? Shut up, transphop. No, okay.
Great. But how does that work? Speak slowly so I can understand. Or whatever. It doesn't even matter what the claim is. If it doesn't make sense to you and the person telling you can explain it, then they're lying about it. Or they don't understand it themselves, which is the same thing. Just don't accept that. And if, by the way, if the whole society refuses to accept that, if the whole society refuses to lie, it's like, just make the decision.
You're not going to intimidate me into lying. In my case, I'm like, I'm an adult middle-aged man. I pay my taxes. I've got four kids. Why would I go along with your bullshit? No, I'm not. Period. Under no circumstances. And I don't want to fight about it, but I'm not going to go along with it. Oh, the Vax is safe and effective. Okay, well, I'm not taking it. How's that? Why don't you make me?
You know, how about no? And if you're a father, like you're in the How about no business, that's your job. I've done a lot of How about no's. And if no one's offended, you're just like, how about no? No, we're not doing that. No, we're not getting some weird dog cross with a poodle. I don't think so. What? Everyone's getting hype about no, no, no, how about no? Okay. It like works pretty well. And no one needs to take it. I'm sorry, not to attack the poodle mixes, but I don't want one.
And we've had that conversation quite a bit in my house. No, okay. And I think you can kind of cheerfully say no to a lot of the demands made on you. And they'll get all hysterical and call you names and just like, no, no. And I think if enough people do that, maybe like, I don't know, 200 million of them. All of a sudden, it just stops. People are like, okay, guess we won't get the shit zoo poodle mix. You know what I mean? Damn, maybe next time.
Yeah, okay. On to the next thing. So I do hope that the next time there is this very familiar cycle where some story will happen. You know, some guy tries to pacific 20 in a convenience store in Minneapolis and then dies of a drug od outside. And all of a sudden, they take that story and tell you that actually it's your fault that he died.
And we need to completely change the country that your ancestors built. And everyone kind of goes along with it and all the preachers on TV and Nikki Haley and all the people just sort of respect. Yeah, we need a revolution because George Floyd died. I think at this point, or you know, this some virus comes out of China very clearly came from a lab that we funded.
And really early, we were on the death rates like one tiny fraction of what they claim it is. And on the basis of that, they're going to give us some drug by force that hasn't been tested. And by the way, you can't sue because the Congress granted the company that makes the drug.
Total immunity from lawsuits. I think more people would be like, no, how about no. Like go ahead and take that if you want to like whatever, that's your thing. You want to go inject yourself with some weird crap. That's fine. But I'm not doing that. And I'm just not under any circumstances doing that. And I read the autopsy report in George Floyd, like 100,000 other Americans this year died of a fentanyl ODE and I feel super bad for George Floyd.
I'm not defending his death. I feel sad about his death just as I do about the other 100,000 who died from it. But don't tell me that systemic racism killed George Floyd because it didn't. I'm just not going to accept any more of your lies. I don't care what you call me. I don't care how much you threaten me. I'm not afraid of you at all because I have no reason to be afraid of you because you're a freaking loser.
You've never built anything in your life. So how dare you lecture me? I'm an adult man back off. That's a really good posture. A super help that's a non-beligerent posture. You don't need to get your AR 15 though. You should have one. But you don't need to wave it around and be like, from my cold dead hands, no, maybe it'll get to that. But you don't right now need to do that at all. Just like sort of cheerful. No, no, fentanyl ODE, not taking the Vax. Sorry. That works.
So I can ask you about nurses and people in situations where they were put under pressure or propaganda so much that they had no choice or they would lose their job and single mothers. What do you think is going to happen with these people? What do you hope to see happen? The ones that I'd love to really have you explain how propaganda works?
Well, what's going to happen is, and I have a relative involved in one of these suits, who was a commercial airline pilot. He just texted me in the flight out here that there was apparently a resolution of Jerry and Michigan just awarded a woman fired for not taking the Vax millions of dollars. And I hope that that is a nationwide trend where everyone whose life was destroyed in that fit of lies and hysteria is made whole. I really hope so.
And I do hope the Congress can immediately strip the blanket immunity from the Vaxine makers. I don't understand that. I've sold products my whole life. I mean, imagine you have a product, you convince politicians to force the population to buy your product, anyone who complaints gets fired, and you can't be sued.
I'm sorry, and I'm not attacking vaccines. By the way, I'm sure there are fine vaccines. I don't know. I'm not taking any of them, but it's okay if other people do. I'm not mad about people taking vaccines. I'm not mad about vaccines. But that's a scam. And anyone who says it's not a scam can just explain to me how it's not a scam. How is that not a scam? You're not allowed to sue. You can sue anybody for anything in this country.
Anything. It's way more playgrounds anymore. Because people who made a lot. Remember Mary Goarounds? Remember those? Is anyone old enough to remember a Mary Goar? They don't exist. They were awesome. Of like 10 friends who have fewer teeth than they were born with because of Mary Goarounds. But they have stronger spirits. Because they were great. They don't exist anymore.
Because the trial bar decided we're going to get rich, suing Mary Goarounds and people who were nice enough to build playgrounds. So so many good things in American life have been eliminated by the greed of the trial bar.
By the way, next time we in the Caribbean, go down to the yacht basin wherever you are. Doesn't matter what island you are. Look at the biggest boats. And this asks the boat guys and the matching polo shirts with the yacht names. I don't like what is the owner of this boat do for a living?
And just keep a list of how many of them are trial lawyers. Like a lot. You know, it was the tobacco settlement or a spestess or whatever. It was talcum pattern or whatever case they were. And I'm not attacking all lawyers. Though I want to. Because I do hate them with a passion.
But even if I like lawyers, I would say how is it that there's this one category that's exempt from the risk that all the rest of us who are involved in any kind of business face every single I've liability insurance on my house. In case the UPS guy slips delivering a package from Amazon.
But somehow Albert Burland, all the other creepy, creepy billionaires who run these disgusting pharma companies are in no danger of being sued because their corrupt pals in Congress in 1986 gave them blanket immunity. Like let's tear that down immediately. Oh, well, we can't compete. Why don't you just make a safer vaccine then? How's that sound? Why don't you face the same risk that every other person who can luxe any other kind of commerce or lives in this country faces every single day?
Oh, we can't. Oh, shut up. Go away. And so that's the first thing. I don't even know how I got off in that. I'm so mad about it. It's so crazy. And that no one can say anything about it. It's like, oh, you're against science. I'm not against science at all. I wish we practiced it in this country. I do. I actually believe in science. And if, by the way, if you believe in science, let's see the numbers. Let's see the numbers right now.
You know what I mean? It was so security has the numbers. We know a lot about who was injured, who took it, who didn't, about the trials are all sealed. Like, I'll just say this and I'll stop. If you want to restore honesty to government, if you want to get rid of corruption, there's a very simple way to do that. And it's with transparency.
It's allowing people to know what their government is doing with their money and their name. And if you can't know, if somehow you're being prevented from knowing, then you can be absolutely certain that crimes are being committed. Because why else would they be hiding it from you? Why is it that 62 years later after the President of the United States was murdered? We can't see all the files on that, all the documents. Why is it that 23 years after 9-11 files are still classified? Why is that?
I had a friend die in 9-11, like probably a lot of people in this room. I was there, totally changed my life. Why can't I know what exactly happened? Like, why don't you answer that question? It's our government. No federal bureaucrat is the right to tell you that you can't know what your government is doing. Who owns this government?
The federal bureaucrat who can't be fired? No one will think so. We do. So if you wind up in a country with over a billion classified federal documents, you are living in an extremely corrupt country, extremely corrupt. And everyone around the world knows that about the United States. We don't know it. We don't think we live in a corrupt country we do. And we can fix it super easily.
And that's just, let's do declassified. Every 9-11 document should be declassified. Oh, shut up conspiracy theorists. No. If you want to create conspiracy theories, pull down a curtain of secrecy over what actually happened. Why are you afraid to tell me the whole story? Why are you afraid to tell me the truth? We can resolve this right away. Just let me see the evidence. I have a right, I have a moral right to it. They have no moral right to keep it from us.
So if I have one hope secretly for this administration, it's massive declassification. And let's find out what they've been doing. What happened to all the $100 billion we sent to Ukrainers? Been no audit? Oh, they don't want to declassify that? Why? Oh, because it's a scam. That's why. And that's why I'm just so grateful that Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who I believe spoke to you earlier, will be a part of this administration. And I think he will be.
And they will be a cabinet secretary. And I hope that his presence reminds all of us the cost of secrecy to members of his family were murdered. We still can't see the documents there. Why is that? And why don't we have full transparency on anything related to public health? What's the actual answer? And the answer is they're lying. And they shouldn't be allowed to lie. So I hope that changes.
So what about a couple of things. One, Jeffrey Epstein files. P. Diddy. What do you think is going to happen with all that now? Well, I should just say at the outset, I lived in DC. I got to DC. My dad worked for the federal government, by the way. Highly classified capacity. So I got there in high school and I left when I was 50. So I came up in the system. I married and ended it. I didn't know that there was anything wrong with it.
I would have been the last person ever to question the Kennedy assassination or Jeffrey Epstein's clearly a suicide. I just had no idea. It's like having an alcoholic spouse. And then you get divorced and everyone's like, wow, your husband was a drunk. And you're like, I had no idea. The closer you are to something, the harder is to see its outlines. And so when Epstein was, when he died, I knew a lot of people knew Jeffrey Epstein like a lot. I never met Jeffrey Epstein.
But I certainly knew a lot of people knew him and a lot more than 10. And so Jeffrey Epstein was not considered some far out sinister figure in the world that I lived in. I'm just being totally honest about this. He was like this kind of interesting guy who had this kind of rotating salon in his house, saw Fifth Avenue in New York. And there was always the Israeli Prime Minister and former presidents. And like just interesting people.
And I did not understand what that was about at all. And so when he died, I was like, oh, poor guy killed himself in prison. And then I got a call from his brother. Just randomly. And his brother said, you know, he was, he did not commit suicide. And that I was really shocked by that. And I thought, maybe his brother's crazy. So this set off a multi year journey for me that really changed my views about a lot of different things.
And the bottom line is Jeffrey Epstein was murdered and not only murdered, but he was murdered in the most secure federal lockup in mid-Tem and Hatton in the country. Okay, not just in federal lockup, but in the most secure part of federal lockup. So how did that happen? Well, it was clearly murdered by another inmate. You can't get any answers to who the other inmates on his block were.
There was no investigation into his death. They've never released it. And the attorney general at the time attorney general bar clearly knew that this happened. And I've said that in public and he's attacked me for saying that, but it's just a fact he lied about it. And so what is that? What is that? Think about that for a minute. And I don't know the, I mean, there's a lot I don't know. I don't pretend to understand really anything. I don't understand anything.
But I know lying when I see it and they're lying about Jeffrey Epstein and if they're not, where's the investigation? And there hasn't been one. And so that's pretty heavy. Do you where are the tapes? Where are the Epstein tapes?
You know, it was so funny. They released a tape. I know actually released a tape of Jeffrey Epstein talking about Donald Trump and saying, we were friends once. I don't like Trump. And okay, this was like the October surprise was to derail Trump. And everyone's like, how can you that? And I thought, I'm so glad they're doing that.
Let's talk about Jeffrey Epstein. Like where, where are the video tapes from his home in New Mexico, from his Caribbean island, from his place on Fifth Avenue? There are always video tapes. Now, you know, in federal hands. Why can't we see those? And we can't see them. Of course, this is like a massive blackmail operation run by various intel agencies designed to put famous people under the control of governments. Of course, that's what it was.
Obviously, and everyone knows that, but no one can say anything about it. And as a friend of mine said, we're talking with us tonight and he goes, you know, I'm kind of. If you think about it, like if you're able to kill somebody in the secure block in federal lockup in Manhattan and get away with it, probably not someone you want to dick around with.
Like that's a powerful force, and that's a fair point, but it's still worth saying out loud because it's worth living in a transparent honest country. It's bad to have rot like that. It's bad to have crimes like that committed in front of our faces. We can't do anything about it. It makes everyone feel impudent. It makes everyone paranoid. It makes everyone feel like nothing's on the level we we we we we want to put the society where no one believes anything.
And I feel like that's where we are that other people I know who are like, wow, I become a really deranged conspiracy theorist. You doesn't believe in the moon landing. I must go 100 people who said that to me in the last two years. This is and trust me, if you don't feel that way, you're just not admitting it because you do feel that way if you're paying attention. And that's a bad way to feel.
I don't think I don't you don't want a country like that. You want a country where things are pretty much what they seem to be where people are honest. They're straight forward when they make a terrible mistake they admit it. You want a country that is like the family that you have or want to have where people are just direct with each other and kind to each other and not everything is some crazy multi-layered deception designed to you know screw you or kill Jeffrey Epstein like that's so dark.
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I think the whole point of the diddy party is to get people to endorse comola. No there's a lot of there is a lot this is something I never perceived at all when I lived in Washington I thought was like a dumb conspiracy theory even I worked in the kind of crypto entertainment business I know a lot of people in the entertainment business of course that works in television.
And I know a lot of people the intelligences and politics because that's what I did and you would hear people once or while say well they're all controlled. You know there are files on that person and I was like oh you sound like a freaking wacko what are you going to say like fluoride in the water is bad. Turns out fluoride in the water is bad. It's crazy anyway. But that's that's actually true it's true and I'm not guessing that it's true I know some people involved.
Like if you're on the if you're on the house. You know Intel committee over the committee in the Congress that oversees the intelligences. Okay it's your job to make sure the CIS not doing anything crazy like interfering in American politics or murdering the wrong people or. You know getting rich it's not allowed to get rich if you're a federal employee okay. And if it's your job to make sure that like the CIS not colluding with the Mexican drug cartels.
Which they are but you are almost certainly controlled by those agencies like they're spying on you. Then I'm not guessing on that I mean I know one of the people who ran that agency is being spied on I told me spying spied on. And I think it's very clear that the same thing happens to cultural influencers and why wouldn't it right. There are a lot of people in the entertainment business but in the cultural business more broadly certainly in the news business.
Who are controlled by other forces like obviously how many of them look independent how many of them look kind of shifty and afraid you look at Jimmy Kimmel and I don't know what's going on there but like. That guy clearly is nervous super nervous and I don't know why he's nervous but every time I see Jimmy Kimmel I used to kind of like Jimmy Kimmel I'm like wow but he's worried about something. And a lot I feel that way about a lot of them and so.
You know I don't know the ever get all the details on diddy I don't know diddy never met diddy kind of glad never been to one of his famous parties but I know a lot of people have. And I don't know exactly what that was about but I know it is not uncommon at all and I at least one entertainer I know personally was. Controlled that whole thing is real that's absolutely real why wouldn't it be real why wouldn't it be real to lean on somebody to.
Reinforce a narrative for the purpose of maintaining power I mean a lot's at stake you know running the world it's a lot of power a lot of money don't dilute yourself people will go to extreme lengths why wouldn't they I mean people risk life in prison to rob a liquor store for 800 bucks.
So you know that there's some context for you so this guy sitting here with a seat babes in the orange and Dan and blue that's Dan and babes they run an organization called strategic coach very high level coaching group and he has this what he calls a DOS conversation and it's dangerous opportunities and strengths and you're you're consuming nicotine right now what the hell is going on yes I am okay.
This is part of the make America healthy plan it is actually now I've already said so many crack butt things that I don't want to totally discredit myself but I think there are yeah if you you know take the tobacco in the tar and separate it from the nicotine.
It's something I don't think I'm allowed to make medical claims about nicotine I think we have a whole agency designed to prevent people from saying what they think is true but it's a choice that I'm happy to make yeah for sure I will come back to that maybe so dangers opportunities and strengths so what do you think is the biggest danger or dangers that we're facing right now as a country the biggest opportunity and the greatest
strengths that we have the biggest dangers were with the Ron I'm just telling you that's the biggest danger there are a lot of people who want it there's a lot of money that's been applied to the political system to make sure we get it it's a disaster for America it's not a defensive Iran by the way I'm not working for the sheat mullahs just I'm going to
just a little bit of a risk of paleo and so it's not that I have any affection for a Ron is you know war with a Ron would would would devastate this country and there's a real danger that we're going to get one I'm just saying that that's a fact you'll see so that's the main danger they're obviously going to be there's going to be some economic turmoil I would have said you know a week ago that one of the great dangers is
this unity in the country but I feel like these election results were really unifying yeah so I'm so thankful of about that I mean it's just if you look at them it's just kind of crazy I mean you had Muslims in southeastern Michigan voting overwhelmingly for Trump you had Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn voting overwhelmingly for Trump what pretty cool you had you know almost entirely white right wing north
Georgia voting for Trump you had a lot of black guys in downtown Atlanta voting for Trump you had if the Amos voting for Trump you had South you know central Florida big charter plantations are the guys who own the ranch you the guys working cutting cane all voting for Trump so it's like there's something in this by the way this is not just
true of Trump it's like whenever you have an election where the majority votes for something you have by definition a measure of unity that you didn't have before that's what a mandate is is most people want this and that's just a great thing you know it means that that are you know our common goals are stronger and more important than our differences and it's just so nice to be reminded of that so that's our main strength and going into an
economic downturn or whatever is going to clearly going to happen you want a unified country you don't want a country a war with itself getting poorer all of a sudden we avoided revolution during the great depression and you know it was just not a for gone conclusion by the way at the time there are some really radical movements in the United States but the country held
together in a really impressive but amazing way actually from 1939 to 1941 and I've been worried about that for a long time now I'm not as worried about it so that's I would say our strength and our opportunity is you know America has a lot of problems those problems have been exacerbated gravely over the last four years the immigration scheme that the
by administration instituted opening the borders letting 15 million strangers come here totally insane that's bad the US dollars in a much weaker position thanks to the like like deranged sanctions on Russia after starting in February of 2022 kicking Russia out of swift hurt the US dollar more than really anything that's happened since the end of the
second world war but the opportunity is compared to what compared to what I mean the US dollar while weakened clearly other countries are hoping to diversify their currencies doesn't help them to have the US dollar be the reserve currency but there's no good option right now America has a lot of problems but compared to what Europe seriously Canada Australia I mean we are still in the best shape of any country that I visit regularly
and that's a massive advantage and like don't forget that if you can somehow convince Americans that their country is pretty awesome once again again it's an additional question when people feel self confident this is true in your marriage it's true in your job it's true in every sphere of your life when you feel good about what you're doing when you feel like it you're doing the right
thing you're doing something you'd be proud of you're way more effective and when you feel rattled and shaken and self loathing and you know like how many productive hungover Sunday mornings if you had a zero because you hate yourself because you did something embarrassing the night before but when you wake up Monday morning clear headed ready to go and go for run and bang it out you know what I mean if you have that attitude you're going to kill it
and so I do think a lot of America's potential is totally real it remains untapped our energy reserves are just crazy compared to the rest of the world we just have a lot going for us and if you can just make Americans feel that we have a lot going for us and that we have nothing to be ashamed of at all stop telling him it's a stemically racist country shut up stop telling him that you know they're bad which they've told us like endlessly just stop with that we're not bad we're great
so it wouldn't take a lot to make this a great country again I really think that yeah yeah well I'm going to ask you about that but first I want to we'll do some Q&A with the audience here in a little bit your alcoholism you called yourself a functional alcoholism when you were drinking and pardon and yeah so what did you what did you change what was the what was the light switch that what I did was I stop drinking which I found super helpful what caused you to stop
I mean in my case I was sitting at my desk in my office smoking a camel I'll never forget it which I also quit unfortunately little short ones flavor with chocolate delicious delicious cigarettes I know no one's allowed to admit that but they were amazing and I but I was saying that my desk filling hung over Sunday morning having a cigarette and I just had this voice I think was from God saying you better quit my wife was pregnant with
her fourth child and she was 10 days from giving birth and I was and I just had this voice tell me you you're going to lose everything if you don't stop drinking and I believed it you know who knows why I mean I'm just ordinary person with a slightly above average IQ not super insightful like I have no idea what that was but that happened to me and I followed it and I did it and it
completely changed my life and it's hard to talk about sobriety without sounding judgy or like one of those bourgeois rehab guys is always lecturing you on all the steps or whatever but the truth is one of the main problems in this country is that everyone's loaded everyone's on some kind of drug or drunk I mean everyone's on pills like I just I'm sorry I don't want to judge anybody else but like everybody is on drugs it's crazy everyone's an SS arise or that weird the method
they give you but they call it aterol benzodiazepines you know I'm on a flight I think I'll take some Xanax what it's insane and I just am totally opposed to that weed the number of fights I've gotten and I used to smoke weed every day I'm I'm as I can I know a lot about weed it makes you passive and stupid I'm sorry people get so mad if you say that oh shut up no I smoke more weed than you have it makes you a loser are you joking what you just face your life it's so awesome
and I never say this out loud because people really hate you when you do and feel judged I'm in no position to judge anybody I can blow your mind actually if I want to do I'm not going to but I'm saying like I know a lot about this subject so I think I have the authority to say this it's like it's such a thrill to be sober it's not that hard actually
and if you're not sober you're never going to achieve the purpose for which you are created that's just a fact you're not and it makes you weak it's the last thing I'll say it makes you weak the more you party the more you run away the weaker you get the more fearful you become and the more you just face up to stuff and I'm not even talking about drugs now call them for men I'm talking about like a grumpy wife like there's nothing scarier than a pissed off wife like in the world
and if you run away from that and just go golfing and like oh she's crazy you know it doesn't get better like man up and just like tell me what's wrong just like sit through the first three minutes and then you find out what's wrong and it gets better and you get stronger she respects you for not golfing and for looking right into her eyes and listing to her complaints for a minute it makes you stronger when you run away and when you golf or you get higher it makes you weak
and it's like a process it's like the more you tell the truth the more sober you are the more you face things that have make you afraid the stronger you get it's like life 101 but nobody feels free to say it and the last thing I'll say we just go full-sounding on the drug thing I mean it like full-freak and Saudi one of the benefits of traveling a lot is you go to countries where this don't put up with it
or like oh you're so cool like you don't allow me to bring a joint to your country or just cut your hands off if you do that because we're not try to do that in Japan actually good try to do that in Japan you go to Singapore you live in Singapore they drug test you with the airport if you're a Singaporean citizen and if you fail the drug test like if you smoke weed you're going to rehab for six months they don't tell anyone where you are you just disappear you're going to rehab that's true fact
I just said dinner with the two nights ago with someone whose friend showed up at the airport in Singapore flying home got drug test to get sent to rehab for six months he was engaged his fiance left him and married somebody else
Wow hilarious you know it's a pretty big deterrent to getting wasted actually it turns out yeah that's harsh okay but compared to what watching people die of fentanyl ODS on the sidewalk if you've been to our cities recently it's totally cruel and inhumane and disgusting
and beneath us as a nation to allow people to OD on drugs on the sidewalk there's no kindness in that at all it's cruel you hate people if you allow that would you allow your children to do that no you'd chain them to the freaking radiator till they celebrate up because you love them when you hate people you let them OD on drugs
and we're like the whole country do that and encouraging them to do drugs sending crack pipes to crack addicts giving weed to kids are you joking I just lock them up man I mean I mean and I'll just I'll be told you about as a former drug user I'm saying that and I really mean it from the bottom of my heart I hope we just get full Saudi on those people including the policymakers who allowed it because they've killed so many people they deserve to be punished in a very severe way
hmm so yeah it's interesting how's that for unpopular no no no it's it's it's it's a bring back the war on drugs but this time we're not joking yeah well see I think I think the war on drugs was I believe addiction is a solution to pain so the drugs the alcohol the sex the gambling the workaholism all the pursuits of the dopamine pursuit is because of either one you're you're just pursuing this this feeling you want or trauma and things like that and I've mixed feelings about like for instance
there's 25% of the world's prisoners are in the United States where the highest incarcerated country in the world and there's 2.2 million people incarcerated in the US and the majority of people that commit crimes are under the influence of drugs now call and 40% of people incarcerated are committed violent crime the other 60% of not so a lot of these people are addicts and so it's you know it's it's one of these things where I take a compassionate approach and at the same time
Portugal I'm curious where they're at now because like all I can go off of is really from several years ago I don't know how well it you know they weathered through the pandemic and I haven't stayed up to date on it
but what they did is they legalized drugs but they this the money they were spending on enforcement went into treatment and it cut the addiction rate in half almost all violent crimes went down but when you just make I don't know I've spent a lot of time in Portugal I don't I don't think that's an accurate representation and I would say
I know a number of people more than two who got off heroin and jail and who look back on their incarceration is a blessing I mean addiction I mean I think you have experienced with it I certainly do they're crazy you're not in your right mind when you're addicted to some of your totally crazy you're like a trapped animal
you do anything and people like that you know the our record on drug treatment in the United States is like a joke it's a bismol it's just a bismol it's made a lot of money for the drug treatment centers I'm everyone's like treatment will show me a treatment center with like a over 50% success rate over five years I've never heard of one maybe there is one I'd love to know we should replicate it everywhere the only thing I've ever seen that works as a a
bit and that's because it's based in like the core truth of life which is you have to admit that you have no power to solve your problems and if you don't then you're just lying to yourself so I think that works but you know whatever opinions differ but let's just let's just apply science to it like where's the treatment center with like an 80% success rate
where's one with an 18% success rate I just don't know of any the the only ones that really have really great success rates are long term you know six months a year two years like Vulcan Academy this individual they they literally have people mostly you know young adults that check in for like two years and they have a incredible thing but they it's a long time right and then I can't remember the name of a button in Italy this is one of Bobby Kennedy's favorite
models of recovery where they have these very long term put them in nature put them around different environments you know and and connect them that definitely is good yeah but I guess I would also just say I left something out I'm so mad about the drug thing that I'm sorry and endorse the Saudi Saudi drug program though I meant it but I do think we should spend a lot more time on the other side of the question which is
endorsing sobriety it is so awesome to be clear right in sober is as much as it doesn't solve all your problems you're still the the lumpy loser you were when you were drunk but it it it begins the process of healing your soul and there's so much joy in sobriety no one ever endorses it everyone's like oh life is better when you're loaded but that's just a lie it's a full blown lie and no one ever calls them on that and I I hope I mean Trump is
sober Bobby sober I've been in meetings with Bobby and I hope that people now in positions of authority who are on television all the time will just tell their own stories more often and just say you know I'm so glad to be sober it's so great because it is yeah yeah and I'll tell you the drugs that that kill people are legal and the drugs that save people's lives like the Ivo gains and certain plant medicines are illegal and so the whole thing is just lopsided and part of the
challenge is you know one of the initiatives we have a genius recovery is we want to save 20,000 lives a year the hundred thousand plus people that are dying from opiate addictions and so we're how many people die of Zanek so these I don't know that's what I'd like to know that's a legal product that like every woman in America has an medicine cabinet every kid has it to college campus or I mean how many if you've got kids in college how many of your kids
friends have to go to treatment to get off benzos how many people die every year from benzos and alcohol many thousands how many people die from withdrawal from benzos a lot and those are legal and psychiatrists prescribe them without thinking through the consequences and there's no sanction and those psychiatrists should be criminally charged in my opinion that's crazy the
sacklers paid a billion dollar fine for sending you know opioids throughout Appalachia but psychiatrists who hand out benzos are truly deadly and physically addictive or we're just like oh no that's that's medicine is not medicine it's totally wrong and at some point like we need to call out people on the individual level if you are a psychiatrist who's handing adder all to children and benzos to their moms without any thought to the
addiction and suffering and brain damage that results from those drugs then you should lose your medical license at very at least yeah absolutely no we've told you before about hello it is a great app that I am proud to say I use my whole family uses it's for daily prayer and Christian
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family but it's hard to be organized about it building a foundation of prayers going to be absolutely critical as we head in to November praying that God's will is done in this country and that peace and healing come to us here in the United States and around the world Christianity obviously is attacked under attack everywhere that's not an accident why is Christianity the most peaceful of all religions under attack globally did you see the opening the paris olympics there's a reason because the
battle is not temporal it's taking place in the unseen world it's a spiritual battle obviously so try hello get three months completely free at hello that's hello dot com slash Tucker if there's ever a time to get spiritually intuning ground yourself in prayer it's now hello will help personally and strongly and totally sincerely recommended hello dot com slash Tucker so looking back being a father what is the greatest lesson that is touching because you have four
daughters I have three daughters in the sun I have four daughters now if that's three is a lot yeah I will say they're like a union you know you have to negotiate with them and no they're also I mean the biggest lesson of having kids is everything flows from your marriage and when you have a happy marriage you know your children are happy marriage is is the core of a family and I do think people spend way too much time going to their kids sporting events and not
enough time with their spouses I think they spend too much time with their kids and not enough with their spouses and if you want to make your children happy have a happy marriage and if you want to have happy marriage spend time with your spouse don't golf listen and so that's been the main takeaway for me and there is a period in my kids are grown my oldest is 30 but amazingly but there's a period in parenthood that everyone in this room of kids is familiar with where it's just so
chaotic like there's just so much going on so many demands from the children you never have time to talk to the person with whom you created the children and you're really at risk of wrecking your marriage during those years I think you really like an actual risk and not just in the obvious sleeping with your assistant though that's a thing you know but just in a much more insidious and common way where you just sort of end up hating each other because you
never talk and if there's one thing I'm hardly like a marriage counselor I'm just some do she journalist but just having lived it I would say if there's one thing I would encourage people with kids to do it's ignore the kids in favor of the spouse once in a while and go out to dinner like make yourself do that every week if you want your children to be happy and what's the measure of their happiness well the measure their happiness is their willingness to like come
home is their love for each other you know if you wind up in a situation where your kids really love each other and are close with each other you've done a good job as a parent like that's the clearest measure in my opinion and that's really the dream of every parent in every parent's heart is the hope that what he or she will leave behind is kids who love each other and if you want that love your spouse because that gives kids the core the
stability the anchor the kids want to know that everything's okay and that tells them that everything's okay yeah that's great that's great so so you seem to you deal with incredibly serious issues I mean you're quite an influential person you've got I think it's always goes back and forth between you and Joe Rogan who has the podcast or is it I don't know if this is like Rogan created the Jean Rogan created I talked to Rogan today actually
amazing guy but I just want to say one of our about Rogan I've been in the media as I said my whole life Rogan was like a sitcom actor and a stand-up comedian and like an MMA fighter okay so he starts to sing called the podcast where he talks like three hours I'm in television and like a big network and I'm looking over at this being like that's the thing I've ever heard you know no one's going to listen to a three hour podcast from some MMA fighter I know right and
and this guy's not even in our business like what's he doing he completely changed not just American media but American history he created a whole new I mean it would be like this one guy invented the newspaper or television I mean that's how big what Rogan did was and I just will admit freely that I did not see a coming I did not understand it I didn't think it would work and the fact that it did works as something so
great and important about Americans which is they really want to learn they're not learning in school they're not learning in the rest of the media it's all shallow and dumb and about race and gender it's all lying and Rogan's just like willing to sit there with interesting people and talk for three hours that was the most affirming that is the most reassuring thing I've ever seen in 35 years in media that that worked and so I'm
just I'm thrilled by Rogan I'm proud to be his friend and I'm just I really admire him more than anybody in media by far yeah well and I mean and again you are one of you are one of the most influential people right now in the world in media and over the last year I don't I don't think what just happened on Tuesday would have happened without Rogan without you without Elon Musk I mean there's a series of people but they are reaching lots of people but the reason I bring this stuff though is
that you seem to be super lighthearted about it at the same time I see you as a very interesting guy in terms of you deal with very serious issues I mean you're interviewing world leaders you're calling people out that you disagree with you're and you're funny about it you're just you seem to just
really enjoy your life and really you just seem to have a real strong center in the midst of it well I'm not I mean I don't think I'm in charge of history I don't I have a keen understanding of the limits of my foresight and power I don't think I'm God I believe in God and it's not me so that's like the root of my happiness I know that everything we do is basically this dogs barking it will be forgotten you know you do
your best but in the end your name will not be remembered your grave will not be visited you are insignificant in the scope of history period and knowing that you will die and knowing that and I keep that ever present in my mind lightens it a little bit it's not up to you to change the world God's
in control not you and so all you can do is your best knowing that you'll probably screw it up at least half the time just apologize when you do and keep going but it's sort of lightens the burden a little but I see these people in Washington like I have to change the world and it's like you will at best make it worse like you're an idiot actually and and so am I but the difference is I admit it I know I am I
know I am and that is such an affirming thing and also the other thing I would say is I have dogs I have a lot of dogs and they sleep on the bed and I hunt with them and I really love them and so does my wife and
we sit in bed and we spend at least an hour day talking about our dogs aren't they great they're so great and we have these circular conversations that are the same every single day but despite the fact they're repeated 365 days a year they are no less enthusiastic and sincere like we really mean it
like that talks amazing yeah that talks amazing we're not embarrassed about it and it is such a great lesson that the most beautiful and the deepest and the most important things in life take place right in your bedroom on your bed right in your life like don't imagine that the only things
that are important are taking place on your phone or in some far away country in a battlefield or a conference room or at this you know the scale of world economies no it's a sleeping dog with her tongue out of her mouth is like way more important than anything else that's going on
right now because it's happening in your bedroom and that's your dog and that's your wife and there's like joy right in front of you and you should experience that joy every single day don't it's like your instincts don't ignore them if you feel something really strongly it's true if you're driving great joy from something totally stupid like watching your dog snore that's okay don't anyone tell you otherwise do you know what I mean I see these people these political people are like
no I need to make the world safe for trans kids and that's when I was like okay great but first like how about being nice to your own kids and pleasing your own wife and like get a dog get some freaking perspective do you know what I mean yeah yeah sorry no it's awesome awesome
all right can you take a few questions from the audience okay so go up to the mic we'll go for we'll go for 24 minutes come on now just introduce yourself and go right ahead thank you David Osarno if President Trump Tucker asked you to be in his cabinet would you say yes
or no and why you know I don't I don't think I'm in danger of that happening I guess I just proved I'm kind of a lunatic who can't keep his opinions to himself so probably not the guy you want in your cabinet you know he might be me in a cabinet meeting another an option was murdered
you know I don't I don't think anyone's going to ask me to serve in any position like that I don't think I'm suited for it you know one of the things I I have disliked all my life and had no respect for are people get out of their lane do what you're good at each person is born most of your
skills are just in born sorry no wants to say that it's just true you I have a lot of kids I see in my kids I'm sure you're seeing your kids like that kid is good at one thing that kids good another the whole point of life is to figure out what the gifts are you're born with it God
gave you and hone them and stick with them like everyone's like telling kids well you should learn to this now don't learn to do anything take the things that you're naturally good at and become amazing at them you'll be happy and successful if you do that and I try to
apply that to myself I like what I do I think I'm above average at it I've done fine doing it so what I'm not a hubris guy I don't imagine this because I can like do a popular show on the internet that I could I don't know run the treasury department I just don't think
that I I'm going to do what I do and I'm going to keep doing it until I drop dead period and and the other thing is I just don't like political people I just don't I don't believe in I just don't I like Trump a lot I like some people around Trump but in general anyone
who desperately wants to wield power over other people should not have any power at all any person who worships money should be broke I just don't believe in that I don't think you should worship power or money I think you should serve other people I really believe
I mean that too and so I don't want to be around people who want a ton of power you creep just I don't want to be in the same room with them and I don't have dinner with them I just don't like them at all and if you live in Washington like you have to spend your
they're like next and next booth at the palm and they're just disgusting to me so I mean that thank you yes Togger first off I want to say thank you I've really got into your show in 2017 when you started on you know full-time on Fox it was so I opening so amazing
and I don't think you take enough credit for the effect that you've had over the past four years in waking people up this I don't believe we would have had the same results if it wasn't for you Joe Elon people like Joe Paula she even waking people up
and making it mainstream so thank you I know you've had people at your doors I know you've been threatened your families been threatened you're a Patriot brother and I love you for it thank you thank you you kind of shot down my question but I'm going to vehemently
lead disagree with you you would be the greatest press secretary in a history take the freaking job can you Matt no I think I think I used to say to reporters who worked for me I would always have the same role I was given the same lecture I would say you can't you know you should be passionate about things but if you you know you can't cover your own girlfriend because you love her so your view of her is totally distorted I always say to my wife is almost 56 I'm like I think you're just
totally hot maybe you're not I have no idea what you look like at this point but I think you're hot because my view of my wife is so distorted because I like her and I think the same is true for hate if you hate someone you should not be covering the person because you can't see their humanity
you're just blinded by rage and I feel that way about the national media I mean I really mean it I dislike them you know I know conservatives always telling you how much they hate the media I hate the media imagine if you're me and you spent your whole life with them and you know them all
personally and you know just how corrupt they are that they would and they have sat there and told lies that put people in prison separated them from their children I could not be in a briefing room full of people like that I would just be spitting hate at them
and I don't want to be hateful I don't be around people I hate and I really mean it I would be up there like screaming at them you know what I mean and saying horrible things to them like really horrible personal things you know what I mean because I mean I know what they've done
and I would just say it and I don't you know that's not the Christian way and I don't I don't want to be that guy so no I can't do that job oh good yes hi Tucker my name is Jessica McNaughton and I just also want to say thank you so much for your courage your leadership your presence
when you were fired and you pivoted quickly and you gave a middle finger to that mainstream media that was amazing I've recently heard about your spiritual experience being attacked and earlier today RFK Jr. alluded to the fact that he believed this larger issue
that we're dealing with is a spiritual battle between good and evil and I was just wondering if you could speak to us a little bit about your perspective in being grounded and speaking truth to power and what it's going to take for all of us to continue to unite to come together to put down our differences and to help those that still might be sleeping to wake up what do you think we need to do?
Thank you for your question I can go on for hours so I won't I'll just pick one part of it and say two things one I think our obligation is to tell the truth at all times telling the truth is not an excuse to hurt other people
it's not you know oh you're fat you know that's not the kind of truth I'm talking about at all but I think we should be kind to each other I think there are all kinds of things we shouldn't say I don't think we should be banned from saying I believe in free speech absolutely
but I think we should restrain ourselves and not be cruel to other people you know I violate this all the time by the way I already have just in the last hour but in general I think we should be kind to each other but I think we should never lie I really think we should wake up every morning with the kind of nearest resolution I'm not going to lie today and if I can't tell the truth I'm not going to speak don't let a lie pass your lips
and if we do that we are transformed inside that's when we become bulletproof when we decide to tell the truth period and the second thing that I think we should be aware of and awake to is as we watch American politics revealed is not really political at all it's not really about politics
this is the battle this is the eternal battle between good and evil and I'm not of course suggesting their public and party is good it certainly isn't or the democratic party is all evil I'm not saying that it's not that simple but clearly underlying all these issues is the battle that every culture has described every religion is described from the beginning of recorded history which is a spiritual battle in the unseen world which is as real as the chair I'm sitting in
that's what I've learned that's a fact by the way I did not grow up believing that I grew up in a totally secular world but I have learned that through personal experience it is absolutely real 100% real and politics are a manifestation of that battle
and I think it's very shocking to people certainly shocking to me it's like we can't believe how much evil there is I can't even believe this people pushing wars for the sake of killing it's because they enjoy killing people like that's a fact I know them I know this
I know this genuinely really well that's what that's about it's shocking to me but we should not get lost in that and feel morose about it of course evil is real what do we think it wasn't you know come on what we should remember is that good is also real
and it's among us it's present and I see it so clear my wife and I had this conversation two nights ago at dinner it's like you think of all the relationships that you've lost every person in this room has lost relationships in the past five years this country's been divided on purpose
and that has affected all of us at the level of even our families but as my wife pointed out and you can't say this enough in place of those lost relationships arise new relationships that are rooted in truth that are so much deeper they're not shallow at all they're not acquaintances they're like almost like relations like you I have conversations with people now I've only known for four years that are deep worth conversations I have with people I grew up with or people unrelated to
it's insane we're being compensated for our loss in the form of true unity with people it is absolutely crazy and that is a manifestation of the spiritual war that I'm describing like that's the other side of it and I the number of people and I won't even get into it at great length
but in one set the number of people I know who like me grew up on the coast in affluent secular world where you know God was at best like an idea many of them on the left including Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard and a lot of others who are all of a sudden like coming to realize holy smokes
like they weren't kidding about this like there actually is a God you know and who are coming to a spiritual awareness people who never thought they would come to that awareness at all never even thought about it who all of a sudden are and are joyful about it it's crazy
there's something totally real happening and I should end by saying I'm the last person like I'm not here to represent Christianity if I'm here to represent Christianity Christianity will be discredited because I have not lived a life worthy of that faith at all
pretty mediocre person obviously working cable news please so it's not about me it's just something that I have noticed and it's absolutely thrilling and there's a deeper unity you saw the election results again in the end Trump got the votes of faithful Muslims and faithful Jews what and it's not even about Trump it's about this moment is a moment of division but also it's a moment of unity and we should be really grateful for that I am really grateful for that thank you
Tucker thanks for being here my name is Jill Homan and really glad that we're talking also about faith I was a delegate to the Republican National Convention from North Carolina and so it was on the floor of the convention and I just want to share we had a briefing to our delegation from Suzy Wiles beforehand and I don't think the American public truly realizes how close to death President Trump was and he if he gave his traditional speech he would have been shot and what they shared is that
at the last moment he had decided to put up a slide about health care that gets very excited about and he turned his head to point to a slide and that slide is typically shown at the end of his rally and this one time he decided to put it up at the beginning of his rally and he went and he turned his head to point and it was at that moment that the bullet passed and so many of us think it was the hand of God that was there present
but my actual question to you is when you left Fox News we're having a lot of conversation today about opportunities and what Jordan Peterson shared was selecting opportunities also deselecting or selecting opportunities what not to pursue it's also what Sam Horan has shared as well when you left Fox News I'm sure had many many opportunities and what I'm curious about is you're thinking about how to select going forward the opportunity that you did select
and you know what sort of rubric or lens did you think about when you deselected or didn't select opportunities in the path you took and didn't take? Well I would take a couple things one I talked to Trump that he was shot and I was really struck for a guy who's often been derided as a narcissist and I understand why people call him that being honest
but he was not talking about himself the night he got to that night in July mid July he was at least in my conversation I came up to people in the crowd and how proud he was of them no one was listening was just me and him how proud he was of them for not running and I thought wow it's incredible I mean I try to be a narcissist it's you know it's an uphill battle for I would say for all middle aged men particularly for me but I think if I got shot in the face I'd be talking about me
and he wasn't and I just thought wow there's something I do think that changed him I do I think I've talked to him a lot so there's that when I got fired first I've been fired a lot so I've been fired enough that I'm always grateful for a little bit of public humiliation
because I think it's really important particularly for men particularly successful men I think it's important to fail I'm not just saying that I mean it I've lived it and not just fail in like a noble way but to be a little bit humiliated
because if when you succeed and I succeeded young really young in my 20s in television you just become a horrible person and you never sort of pause to ask yourself am I doing the right thing because success is self ratifying like of course I'm doing the right thing I'm succeeding
meanwhile you're rotting inside it become like a horrible person and so getting fired having some big public failure where you can't hide it or blame it on other people it really forces you to look inside and ask like am I doing the right thing and by the time I got fired from my last job it like took me about less than a minute to be excited my wife was thrilled she was so excited I got fired and as to what to do next I'm not that guy I don't I'm an instincts player completely
not a list maker I told you that I love dogs I try to make decisions as a dogwood by smell you often see dogs like my dogs or bird dogs and they we hunt birds with them and they don't know where the birds are so they just run and they're just like always
they're just sniffing the bird but they're running the whole time they're not walking looking for the birds they're charging in you know to the spruce looking for the grass and I try and live like that like I I didn't know what I was going to do next
but I wasn't going to stop moving I just I'm going to keep moving because I am afraid of entropy I am afraid of like and by this point you know I'm in my 50s my kids are out of college I paid off my mortgage like I guess I could not work I guess I don't have you know crazy money aspirations
I was like no I'm going to keep working I'm running exactly sure what I'm going to do but I'm like get up every morning and try to do something and I was really blessed because Elon called me you know the day I got fired and said you should put your stuff on X
we're you know we're a free platform I didn't take any money from him for the record but he encouraged me to do that and I'm just so grateful you know he changed my life by by saying that but even if he hadn't said that I would have done something like that
because I just think you should just keep moving and like it will become clear what you should do but always keep your nose up like just sniff if it you know if it smells bad don't eat it you know if it smells good eat it you know that's kind of how I feel if you just keep your dog senses
um honed you will make the right decision I really believe I mean it's not much of an answer but that's how I make every decision that's why I got married at 22 so I had too many kids you know all the big decisions of my life have all been made on instinct
and that turns out to be the best way to make them you know if I sat down with a list like pros and I was like do the pros and cons nah nah that isn't I'm not putting that in my mouth you know what I mean so that's work for me it's all I can say thank you
we'll do one more question so do you have any tools that you would recommend to help foster understanding with those that might have different perspectives so whether that would be empathy understanding cognitive bias like in group out group or you know confirmation bias
anything that you use to help foster understanding hey it's so fun it's like do you have a camera in my kitchen because we're just having this conversation you know because look we just had an election and I think I probably have had a very similar experience
to a lot of people in this room which is I mean for the first time I went I mean I'm been a journalist so I'm not endorsing candidates but the Trump thing after he got shot I thought to myself the stakes are kind of big like the country is honestly going off a cliff I was just went all in for Trump
I never thought I would do that I spoke on his behalf I spoke at the RNC I did rallies for him like I was I was just like flat out I'm for Trump I never done before for any candidate ever and of course you know not everyone in our world was like that impressed by that
and there were some people who are deeply offended because this election wasn't about who's got a better program it was about you know is Trump a Nazi or something they tried you know all the stuff and people believe the propaganda so you know we had people not in my immediate family I will say
but people close to us who were like really offended like I can't believe that Tucker's out there endorsing a Nazi rapist and so my wife and I had a lot of conversation and there's people we love you know for real who are good people by the way not everyone disagrees with you is a bad person some of them are wonderful people and but they just disagree or they're deluded or whatever and so how do you handle that
and we talked a lot about it like for hours and my view at the end was you know you don't have to win every argument actually and sometimes and I'm a professional debater so I'm pretty sure I could like crush pretty much anyone in a debate
it's what I do for a living I spent my whole life debating people I think I'm good at that you know if you're a transmission guy like you can fix a transmission I'm a debate guy so I thought well should I just like crush him in debate and just like muster all the evidence
and throw him at him and be like actually Kamala Harris is horrible and here's why I could easily do that that's what I wanted to do but then I thought you know the only way you really change people's minds is by just loving them
and like you just like sit and take the shit for a minute actually that's kind of what I did and just sort of try to be as loving as you possibly can be and just like if you think that you're on the better side if you think you have a more humane position on something live it out in your life
like show people love and that wins them over in the end I don't think in your personal relationships you win that much by didactic, pedantic, debate points going all Ben Shapiro on him I just don't think that works or go I shouldn't say Ben Shapiro on me you know did you know that according to the Department of Agriculture you know okay okay so like teaching by example I think that I think that also being happy
I think being happy is a huge marker for for something really important I mean if there are two sides right of a debate and one side seems kind of you know grounded and cheerful and has functional relationships and you know wives who respect them and kids who love them they're probably on the right side and if the other side is like living in an apartment you know screaming at MSNBC and you know
compulsively petting their cats like maybe they're on the wrong side no I'm not being mean I'm just being serious like the people with the balanced happy lives are probably on the right path and the super angry people are calling everybody Hitler probably in the wrong path
like if your program is so effective then why are you so miserable and why do your kids have weird piercings and like they clearly hate you and your wife is obviously you know has no respect for you at all you know what I mean it's not working for you so that's how I make decisions
I look at the outcomes I'm not going to do a real estate deal with a homeless person I'm not going to invest money with a bankrupt person probably not going to hire no beast person to be my personal trainer and I'm not going to vote for the party of unhappy people
because like that doesn't work clearly so if I want to change people's minds then I want to model what I think success is which is calm cheerfulness which is peace which is connection between people which is stable enduring longitudinal relationships
you know that's success to me and I think by living that openly like you change way more minds than by any argument that you can muster that's what I've concluded after 30 years of making arguments Awesome I thought your Cali means and Casey means interview was amazing where's Cali at?
where's Cali he's around here somewhere he'll be here tonight and I mean there's a lot of interviews you have done that are just so eye-opening people can learn so much and get so much perspective and learn what's really going on and all kinds of areas Jimmy Dore who I watch recently was fascinating
what interviews have you done this year that you think would be well all the interviews with people I thought I would disagree with I mean I lived in Southern California as a child and you know all the organic peanut butter moms
in my neighborhood I found incredibly annoying you know what it means saving the whales and furry armpits and lecturing you about eating white bread and I was like oh stop you know tell me again about how Woodstock was shut up hippie and as I've gotten older I realize actually I love those people
they were right about everything and it's just wild to see that a lot of them I just went up in an alliance with them actually and they were right about all the health stuff I mean I smoked until I was 45 so and I love pizza so clearly you're not taking health advice from me
but it doesn't mean that they're wrong you know they're right actually and so really the most beautiful and rewarding experience for me for the past four or five years is realizing how much I have in common with people I thought I had nothing in common with
including Bobby and Cali and Jimmy Dore and like just the Naomi Wolf I mean just a list goes on to be surprised in your 50s to learn something new in middle age to realize and cheerfully admit you were wrong and then find out you know all the things you were wrong about
and accept things that are clearly right like I love that I mean maybe some people are embarrassed about I seem like a whole political class I can't admit they're wrong about anything they're still defending the Iraq war but I think they're in bondage they're trapped
they're fearful they're terrified of admitting they're wrong about anything because then the whole edifice of bullshit comes crashing down and just crushes them like the wicked witch of the west how much better is it to live in pure freedom by admitting the truth about everything
then you don't have to be afraid at all you can just be like I was totally wrong I got fired from my job I was like who cares you're just like totally free when you're honest and so that has just been incredible to me I've loved it I love thank you for coming to Genius Seller
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