What’s Ahead with Ron Paul

used it. In the Vietnam era, Democrats used their Republicans used the FBI to spy on a hundred different groups in this country, including the churches who disagree with the policy in Central America. Almost looks like the FBI was designed to spy on Americans who might be disagreeing with policy, especially the foreign policy. It's almost as if the FBI was designed to spy on its own citizens. That's from nineteen eighty eight. That is a former Congressman Ron Paul

predicting that in warning us in nine. So what is Ron Paul think about the FBI raid on Donald Trump? What does he think about the state of affairs today in the country, where is this cell heading? What does he think about the loss of liberty during COVID, can we get it back? So many questions for Congressman Ron Paul, and we're going to ask him because he's my guest

on this episode of the Truth with Lisa Booth. That's right, We've got Ron Paul who has been warning us about the danger as a big government, warning us about things like the Patriot Act, warning us about the FBI, warning us about the Federal Reserve, warning us about centralized power. So we're going to get his take on everything that's going on in the country right now, and they're sure as a lot. It's also the host of the Ron

Paul Liberty Report. A former member of Congress, he ran for president as the Libertarian Party Dominie in nineteen eighty eight, also for the Republican Party and two thousand eight, two thousand twelve. He's been right about so many things. I wish my ears were more open before. I wish I had listened more before about some of his warnings. But we're going to get his take now, so stay tuned, Congressman Ron Paul. So, Congressman, I just wanted to thank

you for fighting for liberty for so long. I think a lot of us wish that we had listened to a lot of what you had to say earlier. I mean, we've really just seen this escalation and the loss of liberty, and you've been so right for so long. So thank you, very good. Good to be with you, Lisa. I wanted to play this clip. This is you in talking about the FBI. Let's play it and then we'll get you on the other side. Most of our history we didn't

I didn't have those institutions. The FBI came in during the First World War, and interestingly enough, one thing that Woodrow Wilson did he used the FBI to spy on American citizens and actually arrest him if he disagreed with his foreign policy about going to war in Europe. Isn't interesting how recent they used it In the Vietnam era, Democrats used the Republicans used the FBI to spy on a hundred different groups in this country, including the churches

who disagree with the policy in Central America. Almost looks like the FBI was designed to spy on Americans who might be disagreeing with policy, especially the foreign policy. I think a lot of people listen to that clip and they see where we are now, and they're saying you know you were right about the FBI. What do you think about today's FBI. Well, it's no better, for sure, it's probably worse, but it was It was even pretty

bad then. But it's inception was bad. That's where the real problem started because it was a spying agency and then they put a guy like Jay or Hoover you know, in charge of it, and he was an evil person that used it as a political way. So it start off very badly and there was nobody there to to monitor it, and uh for years it went on and he was like Jaker Hoover was like a saint, and

he was theorsed by Republicans and Democrats. And even today, you know, it's very hard for conservative Republicans and to challenge it because most conservatives I will agree that, uh, you know, we have to have a strong police. So they identified that with the strong police. But then the thing gets out of control and we end up with, uh, you know, the mess that we have today with the police forces that they that they they're supposed to protect people,

then they end up defending the police. So it's a real mess. So that the inception was wrong, and it's continued to get worse. There's been no monitoring of it. There have been a few people over the years that have spoken out, but you know, the main street media and the universities and the professors and most of the politicians didn't look one step beyond what seemed to be well, we got to you know, control crime. You know, people say, yeah,

that's right, that's one thing government has to do. But that's why, that's why it's so risky giving power to government. Even even if it sounds good, even if it's a little bit, uh, it doesn't mean it's going to stay a little bit. Then people should think anytime you start something like an FBI or c i A or anything like that, they got to remember nineteen thirteen, we're gonna have an income tax, but it's only going to be a percent on the rich. And then look at the

monstrosity we have now. We have not only the income tax, but we have the inflation tax and everything and everything to feed in the big government. So unfortunately, the FBI is not part of a true republic. And uh, I don't think you'll find something very specific in the Constitution authorizing you know, the establishment of the FBI, and that in itself should have been on the reason it was never started. Well, and I think a lot of for you know, concerns for a lot of conservatives is just

seeing that it's very political in nature. I mean, you know, we all witnessed this unprecedented raid on President Trump's home and Mara Lago. Well, why do you think the FBI and the d o J decided to uh to raid mar law though I think they really fear Trump, I mean as uh miscellaneous his thoughts are. You know, he's

not a libertarian that had a couple of principles. He does have conservative instrcts and I think he's a very honest person, but he does challenge status quote you know, and I think the thing that really got people liking him is that people got sick and tired of political correctness where where you and then it's gotten worse since because if you don't say things and do things and participate in a political historic way, get into trouble and you're the prayer, you become the criminal and you can

get canceled and punished for this. So this is uh, this has been been going on as it's a lot of a lot worse. So uh right now, I think what happened was Uh, nobody expected Trump to win. Uh. He was absolutely independent challenge the status quo. I think it started off at out of pure jealousy. How could a guy like this win? And Uh? Then because he was independent minded. Uh and obviously he wasn't an absolutist on the constitution or as a libertarian. But I'll tell

you what. Uh, he was doing some things and he was popular and the people liked them so uh and the the the enemy uh disliked them. But it turned into hate. Boy, they became obsessed with it. They would take any anybody anything. So just think of how the ridiculous this last last election was anything to destroy the imate of Donald Trump and uh and then they would

take take anybody to run. So so they were able to pick somebody who would stay in the seller and get all their organized forces, you know in the media and social media where they could uh you know, and plus lying and cheating in the elections, they were able

to achieve it. And uh and and when but I think it's uh, it's it's part of this part was the jealousy turned into hatred and that's what's driving And then the divi divisive noes is just horrendous because uh, I don't think uh anybody really believes that there's a justice system. The American justice system is is pretty remote. And to have the SBI with this authority in the

c I A. Those those are anything things themselves. I see that with that much power and that much money and that much secrecy on their part and still you know, the uh ability of them to continue to do this and and do what they've done to Trump. I said that this is like there's been a cod coup you know, existed.

I called it an invisible coup there didn't go in there, and then they turned it around and pretend O'donald Trump was really committing a crooked coup with all those guns and tanks that he was trying to take over the capital with. I mean, it becomes ridiculous. But the coup has been that of political power, the media and also the law enforcement agencies. That's bad news for us, and that's why, uh, you know, a change this yere is necessary if if the people who don't like what's going on,

if they can't throw these people out of office. But I'll tell you we have a big um. But there's some reasons to be optimistic. I think the parents right now, that's what I like, the parents waking up over COVID, that kind of that's the kind of stuff we need people waking up and saying, hey, where have we been, you know, and looking what's happening to our cities. So I reserve a bit of hope that this year will things will get to improve. I mean, I know I've

woken up. You know, COVID really opened my eyes. And just seeing the government go in and closing you know, restaurants and and these businesses that people have worked so hard to create and just crushing them while letting you know, Walmart and you know, like letting all the big continue, but then you know, shutting down you know, working Americans and you know, and then just seeing the forced vaccinations and and all of it really just I know, it

really woke me up and realizing that liberty is free fleeting in America and it's something that we have to fight for constantly, which is something you've known, but a lot of us have been waking up. Yeah, and it's the indoctrination is the real menace for us, and that's been going on. Yeah, we know what's going on now and all of a sudden, parents are waking up and they're seeing what the kids are being taught and what's in the libraries and all this. But the indoctor nation

has been going on for a long time. I think it all started in the progressive era. Uh, you know, and that's when our foreign policy change. That's why our monetary apologies changed, you know, way back uh in the

teens and nineteen thirteen. Obviously we had major changes. But I think the real menace is the uh are there are the universities where they have the professors who are you know, dignified, and they're intelligent people, and they preached this uh uh, this scheme that's going on, so uh they got they got most of the people in the position. If you didn't agree with what they're saying, then you're unpatriotic. And then if you disagree with the professor, that means

you're not scientific. If you didn't agree with these crazy people who locked us out, oh you're on your non scientific. But even today, you know, all of a sudden is becoming a parent that vaucies those vaucies on the defense. Uh. And that's that's good, but it is a tedious job and and the big thing, the big problem we have with it's monetary policy, economic policy, or all the social regulations. Uh, it's not going You can't wave a wand and it

go away and everybody has an understanding. I mean, there's gonna have to be a lot of uh you know, serious relearning. But uh, and you can't depend on the government schools. They're they're in business that cling to it. You know, You're pharmaceuticals are there to maintain their financial power, the the military industrial complex their power through weaponry. Uh. To restore some common sense, I think it has to come from the parents, you know. I just I mean,

everything is important. And when you get a couple of people in Congress speaking the truth, yes, as a big step. But we're not going to all of a sudden get uh, you know, a majority people in the US Congress. Uh, we can get a majority that will be a lot better off and what we have and and maybe see a shift. But to really change this, this whole idea about interventionism and the uh, the police state and the FBI and the CIA, people aren't ready to say let's

just get rid of Are they really willing? I found out on the campaign that. Uh, you're not not a whole lot of people, but more than most people realize. Uh don't want us to bring our troops home. Uh. They sort of like this, and they like this and macho business and people like to be strong. Uh. Well, I think you should be strong in the defensive liberty US where we should design our our strength to go is to to protect. Didn't get people to understand, but

to me, it's an educational thing. It's a moral problem and the ultimate responsibility falls on our parents. Quick commercial break back with Congressman Ron Paul on the other side. Do you think Americans care about liberty? I do, want it affects them. I don't think they understand the real notion of it. I think the Code taught them a little bit about it. Uh, but sometimes they it's a distortion. They know that. Uh. If you tell the world that means you can do what you want with your life. Oh,

they like that. But then when you tell them when you have your responsibility, you know, to take care of yourself, that means you can't depend on the government for anything. So they all of a sudden back off from this. But yeah, they like the idea. I think it's very natural interestinct to uh, to be independent minded. I think children are like that. They like to be independent, but somebody has to guide them and how they use this independence.

But uh, yes, and I think we're the positives are are on the uh you know, the few people that are in commerce that are good uh when they speak out that's and the importance is their educational effort. And also uh, you know, I have spent a lot of time promoting the Piecea's Institute because that's an economic forum. And when Leonard Reid, when he was in charge of the Foundation for Economic Education, uh, he did that. So I think that education and we're way ahead of it.

When I first went to commerce in nineteen seventy six, some of the things are taught. I was talking about nobody ever, what are you doing that for? Well? Whyre you worried about the Federal Reserve? I think that has changed. You know, there's some people now you know, on Wall Street or trying to figure out what's the Federal Reserve doing so. But and some of this stuff you don't have to wait for a lot or to uh uh you know, change it and get rid of the Federal Reserve.

Some of this stuff is gonna self destruct, you know. And that's why, in a way, the main principle we have to have is a freedom of choice. People can opt out. Education is one thing like that. And that's why I have a homeschooling program is that, uh, you know, uh, and a lot of people are are going to private and homeschooling. Unfortunately a lot of people can't afford it. But how can they afford uh to send people to government schools and say it's for free when it's not

for free. They spend way too much money, and the more money they spend, the worst of public education gets. But uh, no, there are other options. And uh there's a lot of people who have learned about Austrian economics and about the Federal Reserve a lot more than they were. Uh. When I first went to commerce at seventy thought not that I was responsible, but I tapped into the people who, uh, who were doing it systematically and somebody like some group

of like a Mesa's Institute. That's what they're designed for is to train teachers. And uh. And that's why I come down really on a you know, a more optimistic side. But I think you have to talk about what's happening and tell people how it happened and that there is an answer. Uh. Sometimes if you just tell them, well, you know inevitable there's gonna be a nuclear war next week, and you know there's gonna be depression, and you know it's bad, but there's an answer to and it's not complicated,

doesn't cost a lot of money. Uh, it costs less money. Just let the people on. Uh why would it be such a job that they say, well, there'll be chaos. Why would there be chaos if you didn't have to pay any income tax and you've got to keep what you earned, and you wouldn't have the federal government how do you at all? And you wouldn't have the FBI concerned because if they can do what they did the term,

they can do it to all of us. And they have been And what do we hear this last week when was the eighty seven thousand I R S agents. You know that's that's horrible and but but but hopefully more people woke up on realizing that the that the police force, not on the FBI, that the police force and the FBI U is the enemy of liberty here

at home. Well, I mean the Department of Justice created a new domestic Terror unit after January six to to go after the individuals involved with that, and then you know, you can kind of see the trajectory of where that's going to continue. You know, it seems to all be going in the direction of people who don't share, uh, the same ideology as the Biden administration. So I I think a lot of Americans are concerned about that and what that means for them. Uh that's true, but it isn't.

You know, people say say things that are half true. Biden is responsible, you know for the mess we're in and all the inflation. Uh he's made it much worse, you know, what he's done to energy and all that contributed. But no, it's a bipartisan answer that's ingrained in the system because, uh, Democrats and Republicans do all the budgets, and Republicans, you know, basically aren't good fiscal conservatives. There's some, if you want to find a few, there are in

the Republican Party, but no, the spending just continues. So it's this philosophy of government, the government should be involved. I was in Washington, I think he was a seventy eight when they voted for the Department of Education, and of course tried to make some of those points, but uh no, I mean, if we're serious, the Republicans, the Libertarians, the Conservatives, and some some Democrats should wake up and say this this is we've had it. You know, this

doesn't work. We needed to get a federal government out of education, but that doesn't really exist. That's how I had one uh uh congressman come up and he was sort of leaning in our directions, but he'd vote for an amendment to cut something in a bill, and then I would want to abolish the system. And uh, I asked him, how come you voted to cut a little bit but not a lot. He's run. You always just go too far. But I say, I give him an

inch and they'll take a mile. And that's the that's the harder one thing to say is sell because they think, well, you don't care about the poor people. Well, maybe our libertarian cares more about the poor people because we know how how productivity, you know, produces a lot of wealth. And if you're worried about the poor people, why don't we analyze why people are living in tents in major cities? And uh that's what that's the message that that we

don't do a good job. And I don't think libertarians and conservatives have done a real good job because our message is so powerful, it's not complicated, it doesn't cost money, it costs less money, but we don't do a good job and selling it to the people. But when they I found out what I campaigned across the country, once it was discovered, and the young people discovered it more easily than the older people. Once it's discovered, Once it's discovered,

it's really exciting, you know. And that's why I I did talk to college kids in spite of the fact the college kids are so dependent and said, all the college kids a bunch of bumbs, you know, they owe all this money. But but the college kids didn't vote those student loan programs, and it was it was the politicians that did that, and the school teachers and and the people who wanted to build school buildings and all this. So but now the message and the message is there,

and the shift is there. Still, it would be uh naive to say, oh boy, well we're shifted. We're gonna keep doing this. No, it's gonna be a real struggle, and it's gonna be ups and down. But I claim that the message of liberty is not complicated, and if

the people hear it, they will respond favorably. And a lot of people don't seem to see the correlation between you know, the more federal student loans you have, and the more loosely those are given, the more colleges or oh, we'll just raise the prices, you know, and then and then it goes down, you know, and then it goes down this vicious road of people, you know, taking out way too much debt. Uh, you know, because colleges keep

raising the prices. Yeah. Well, you know the one thing that always bugs me because inflation, of course comes from the pressures the deficits, but the inflation comes from the Federal Reserve and the business of printing money and given my money out. But if you go in, if you talk to people at the grocery store, especially the ones whose inflation rate might be uh, you know, cost of living going up at because but they exclude uh energy and uh they exclude energy, energy and food. Oh, you

are inflation rate in and so bad. But some people that's always spend their money on. So but then if you ask him, what do you think should be done about this, and they said, we need more money, Send us more money. And that's exactly what we've done on and it was bipartisans trillions of dollars, six trillion dollars since COVID started, and it was a bipartisan we sent more money. So it was obvious. It wasn't like predicting anything. It was like saying, and that's it. You printed the

money and you sent it. All you have to do is pick up the pieces and we know exactly what we be the consequence. But so I want people to understand how it comes. But if they brush it off as a narrow political event and say, well, uh, they spent too much money on food stands, where well maybe they spent too much money on the military. You know. Uh,

the people have to know exactly why that's happening. And uh, but when you get to talk to them right now, there were some statistics that showed that, uh, the support for um Ukraine, after all those trillions and billions of dollars we sent, Uh, the support is backing off. And and that's that's good, But there's so much suffering going on. But right now there's there's if there wasn't a majority of people saying, send me more money, there would be

no deficits. But they want they want more money. Everybody wants more money, and yet more money. Too much money was what diluted the value of the money and it caused the crash, It caused the inflation, and this, uh, this recession that doesn't exist. They said, well, no, we don't have a recession. That's that's something else. Maybe later, h know, when when they finally admitted it will be a depression and they they will then have to deal

with it eventually. But they need to have a better understanding of what true freedom is all about, why the individual is a much better source of solving these problems, and that we don't need an empire around the world. We don't need us a reserve, We certainly don't need an FBI spying on us, and we don't need a c I A participating in the coups around the world. I mean, it was a coup in two thou fourteen in Ukraine that got us involved over there, and we're

still there. Of course, quick break back with Ron Paul. Why do you think Congress is so intent on sending so much money to Ukraine? Well, the whether it's part of the empire. You know, it's a strategically important place if a battle ground between NATO, which is the West which shouldn't exist UH and the Russians. And so the Russians aren't the UH, they are not communists, they're they're not part of They're not like Stalin. And yet UH. The contest is is we've painted them much worse than

they really are. So people are saying, well, we have to do we have to stop the Russians. Look at what they've done to Ukraine. Well, what we did was we threw out an elected leader out of Ukraine UH and installed the people that were in there. That has

precipitated so much of this. So it's it's part of the empire, and it's and the people who've been looked to who financially benefits it's the military industrial complex that the biggest lobbyist group in Washington, and that if you don't support the military industrial complex, UH, very often that that group, that individual get targeted by them because they are so powerful. You know, one big problem I think we face is UH corporations have you know, essentially serving

as an extension of the Biden administration. I mean we saw this recently. It was reported to the Biden administration pushed Twitter to suspend Alex Berenson, who had been, you know, going against the Biden administration's narrative on COVID. You know, what are your thoughts and sort of you know, this unholy alliance between corporate America and the left right now,

Well that is the Yeah, that is it is. It's corporatism, and it's been around for a long time and it inevitably always leads to fascism, not not the communism, uh of what Russia had where they own everything and control every single thing, and uh so, so the fascists are people where they sort of tolerate business people. But right now we have the corporations are partners in government. That's why the social media is just the norm of the government,

and they're the one there. They were the enforcers of not following the government mandates and dictates because you don't have you don't have the uh you know, the armed guard and the army, uh you know, marching around making you follow all these orders. It was always the corporations will cancel, you will punish, you will do this, and they were so powerful that they got away with it. So know that combination that we have right now is uh, it's probably still on the stage of the corporatism, and

that is just if influence. You know, they get the contracts and they get the benefits. And if you do this, you get a government contract and you can borrow more money than than anybody else. And so that exists, and that, uh, that will just keep building. And it's uh, it's almost like we have fascism American style, but corporatism and this combination that you've talked about, the combination of corporations and big government. It's leeful and uh, you know this whole

idea and a lot of people were sympathetic that. You know, if you have a downturn which you could protect to predict the corporations, there might be a corporation that suffered and going bankrupt and a lot of people are gonna lose their jobs. So people get sympathetic and say, well, get some money from the government. So the government comes in and bails out the companies because they didn't run

their companies right and they should have gone bankrupt. So they have to take the money from the companies that were productive. So they destroy good companies paying off to the people who will obey the government and all the the government rules. Uh, they send that money to them, and uh, it just makes the whole problem worse. He should you should have total separation of of economic policy, just like we should have separation of church and state.

We should have separation of school and state. And uh, economic intervention ism to serve the interest of special groups, which is which they do. I mean, you know, the military industrial complex is a perfect example that I do think those are big concerns as well with you know, corporate America. Right now, I think a lot of people's eyes have been opened. And you know, so many friends. I know, President Trump opened my eyes to you know, even just the way we you know, deal with our military,

right you know. He he sort of was able to flex a muscle without intervening, without this military intervention. So I think a lot of people have been awakened on a lot of different Uh. You know, friends, I wanted to ask you, is it possible to reclaim liberty once it's gone? Oh? Yes, there has to be, so they can't kill ideas, you know, and and freedom is an idea and uh and and you know, when the time has come for one of these ideas and said that

you can't stop it. You know, it isn't a military operation. Uh. An idea whose time has come will spread. And that's why I think the positive things we talked about a little while ago, that's there. And they can't stop that. Even the social media can't stop it, you know. And the messages will continue to spread, there will if we can't have uh, you know, good use of the internet. Uh, there's other ways of spreading it. But I think there's competition now starting to build on the internet, and and

I think that that is good. So they can't they can't stop it. So it depends on the people, you know, and the desires and uh. And that's the biggest problem is is how to get how to get people interested in seeing seeing our problems as a moral issue. And the founders understood this perfectly, and they said, yes, this is what we're giving you. You're gonna have a probably, But it's up to the people, you know. It's not up to the piece of paper where the rules are in.

It's not up to the FBI, you know, to make sure where we live in a free country and we punish bad people. Know, it's has to be with the morality of the people, and uh, whether or not you can do it right now, that's a major problem because nobody knows who to believe, but both sides in the power. The power is so drawn used to be that you could work with coalitions. It's getting more and more difficult. So I would say it's very difficult. But no, I wouldn't.

I wouldn't be spending my time like I do if I didn't have an optimistic view that we can, uh, you know, move in the direction. And I think in a in a minor way, we are moving in that direction. But the people who have had who are in charge, and the philosophy that's been in charge for a hundred years, they're pretty powerful. But we have to refute them well. And I think the challenges to a lot of the times where you see this big growth in government, it's

after a time of crisis, right. You know, you've got the Patriot Act after not eleven during COVID. Uh, you know, the powers that be really sort of used that crisis or even sort of manufacturing fear and manufacturing a crisis to you know, grow the size and scope of the federal government. So I think a lot of times, people you know, miss that because it's a time of fear and a time of crisis. Yeah, that's that's so difficult to figure out. And I think I think most of

some people think of everything is in a collective. Everybody has to come down on the same thing. But everybody. What I've talked about is everybody has their job to do for some reason. You're you're you have a job right now that you're on the air, and you and you you trying to get a message out. And people would, you know, especially young people in college, they said they would be like a sold on the eye. Liberty is great. I want to do something that tell me what I

have to do. Do whatever you want, whatever you're capable of doing. Everybody has something, and it's going to be different. Uh, you know, I never I never had a basic goal at one time. I'm going to congress. I'm going to congress. That's my goal in life. It was never that. My goal was always. I became fascinated with monetary policy and uh, the fiddle Reserve and I'm just gonna speak out on

because I think it's so important. And it turns out is uh from that, I expanded it in a lot of other people, you know, picked up on that, but I think an individual has to side. And then uh and and I'm just really impressed with how many people that were campaign workers or helped me in in the election, the presidential elections that really have gone out. They have their own, their own little program and then the big

the interesting is they have no idea. You probably don't have any idea if you're if you're you know, reaching out, you don't know exactly how many people listen to, how many people you know decide to, you know, follow up and and stay. So it's it's something you never know how many people are belonging to the remnant of people who are maintaining the forces of the truth about liberty and morality. Is there anything else you'd like to leave us with before we go, sir? I think it is

so important. Everybody has a responsibility. And uh so instead of concentrating right now of many problems we have, and we have big ones. Foreign policy I think is a mess, and the economy is going to get worse before it gets better. But I think people should think that, uh, you know, there's every reason in the world. The positive things out there is more and more people are getting interested and we're making strides, so people just need to do it. And the other thing I tell people know

it is serious business. And I go to a lot of conference. As I said, if you come to a conference, you should come and have a little bit of fun because you're going to be associating with other like minded people. And uh, that's from my view, boy, that's the best you can do. And I consider it an obligation on my part and everybody's part is to be as well education as educated as possible so that some of these things, even though they're not complex, sometimes the explanations get complex

and people get confused. But really freedom is not a complex issue. And uh, I think people just have to decide whether or not gonna they're gonna be on the side of liberty or they're going to sit on their hands or join the opposition. And uh, of course my advice is joining all of us that are interested in

preserving the cause of liberty. Well, and your Sign has really been leading the fight in the Senate throughout COVID and both sort of exposing a lot of the lies and really just trying to get to the truth as well. So we appreciate your son as well. He's doing a great job. Yeah, you must be prode. I didn't realize that's really cool. You're the first representative in history to serve concurrently with a child in the Senate when he was first elected in two dozen tents, So that must

have been pretty cool. That was different. It happened, but it wasn't a strategy, you know, it just happened that way. Thank you. Sorry, I appreciate your time. Take care. Thank you so much. Oh, very good. It's been nice to be on your program. That was Congressman Ron Paul. You know, he played that clip from UH talking about the FBI

spying on American citizens and those abuses. He also had warned about things like the Patriot Act and a number of other things, just obviously raising concerns about the bigger the federal government gets, the more we lose liberty. So appreciate him joining the show. And I appreciate you guys for listening every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. Please leave us review right US five

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