The Border Battle with Jack Posobiec

three Americans die every single day from fentanyl overdoses. I mean, if you think about the average plane carries around a hundred and thirty eight people. Can you imagine what would happen in the media in this country if a plane crash happened every single day killing that many Americans? Would there be an uproar? Why isn't there more of an uproar when it comes to fentanyl and what's happening with that.

We're going to discuss all of this with Jack Postovic, who is part of Turning Point USA's new docuseries, Border Battle, which gets into all these different topics. It's a six part series. They get into the issues of the cartel, what's happening at the border, the Fentinel crisis as well. And did you know it's not just the Mexican cartels, China plays a role in all of this as well.

The docuseries also covers border states like Arizona and Texas and then concludes with their solution on how to address the problem. We're also talked to Jack. He's a fellow and vaccinated American like myself. I'm gonna talk to him about that in Ukraine as well. You guys know Jack, You're probably familiar with his work. He's a senior editor at a Human Events, but he's also worked in intelligence.

Right He's a veteran intelligence officer of the United States Navy and when he completed his final deployment as the intelligence director for Navy Expeditionary Forces Command, Pacific Task Force

seventy five. Try saying that five times fast. But he's got a really interesting background and it's perfect for this conversation because he understands both domestic issues, particularly having worked on this new docuseries called Border Battle, but also with his national security back ground as well and how those two issues converge. So it's going to be an interesting conversation. I'm looking forward to hearing what he has to say so with that Jack postabic. So Jack, it's gonna have

you on the show, my fellow and vaccinated American. Yes, yes, still don't regret it. By the way, still don't regret it. I mean, Jack, we nailed that one. You know, it's funny enough. I don't know anyone who's unvaccinated and regrets it. Have you ever met one person who's actually said that phrase to you? I don't. I I don't regret it.

If anything, we look like the smartest people, especially when you've got Florida surgeon in general finding out that there's an eighty four percent increase in cardiac related deaths eighteen to thirty nine year old males within twenty eight days following m R and a vaccination. So I think obviously as a woman, but well, at Lisa, you better be careful right there. Go check your pal account because I think you're deducted maybe twice, so I grew up to

five thousand. Now just we've only been on the interview for one minute, but it's already it's very expensive. This is very costly. But we nailed that one, right, and we we we all knew this, you know, we had questions people try to shut us down and they try to smear you with names. But now it's finally coming to light and I think it'll continue. But which, by the way, just throw out Look, I was in the military,

right so, I was in the Navy. When when you go on deployment, I was deployed to Guantanamo Bay, I was around detainees, etcetera. I mean, you get vaccines like crazy before you go even just rowing boot camp, you walk down vaccine alley, left side, right side, left side, right side, and then before you go on deployment, of course you get a whole other slew of vaccine. So for me, it was never like this blanket anti vaccine thing. I just looked at the situation. I looked at the

data when the vaccine rollout and started coming. I had already had covid ones before my wife had had and my wife was pregnant at the time. Um, and we were perfectly fine. I mean, sure, we were sick for a couple of days, and you know, it is what

it is. But I couldn't, for the life of me, understand that if we'd already had it, why do we need a vaccine for something we've already had very smart and makes a lot of sense because natural immunity has long been a thing until it wasn't with COVID, which is quite odd. But you know, for me, it was just I'm young and healthy and so statistically I was

never at risk. And then when we started realizing that it didn't stop transmission, It's like, what's the point, right, Why am I getting something I don't need when m R and A is new too and it doesn't stop transmission. Meanwhile, I've got a friend, um, you know, who has throat cancer and this is something that he's been dealing with

fighting it. He's doing much better with than remission. But guess what, he got every single vaccine, every single booster as it rolled out, he goes around double triple mass because you know what, if he catches one whiff of this thing, he's done for he's a goner. So it made sense for him, right, But you know, if you're young and healthy, it didn't. Yet they lied to us about the transmission aspect it because they wanted people to

get it. You know, I wanted to ask you before we get to your doc, your do Q series that just came out, what kind of consequences do you think there should be for those individuals who intentionally lied to us, whether it be public officials or big pharma. Well, what's amazing to me is and of course we're we're seeing the the you know, as we record this today, we're watching the numbers on this Alex Jones lawsuit roll in

and he's looking at a billion dollars and damages. And I don't know if that's going to be reduced or not, but let's just hold that for where it is. And and we're told that the news standard is that if you're a media figure and you say something incorrect, that you can be sued for hundreds of millions of dollars almost a billion dollars. Okay, So where's the class action lawsuit for every single member of the media, whether you be on CNN, MSNBC or other who told me that

the vaccine stopped transmission? And then we have testimony in the European Union Parliament of Fiser coming out and say they didn't even test for it before it went to market. So now we can all go as a class Certainly everyone who lost their job, everyone who has kicked out of the military, arry that's direct damages. That you can show right there. So I think every single one of

them should join together as a class for this. Or people who have died or or you know from on behalf of their family members or injured, you know, have been vaccine injured as well, which I'm not done even get into the vaccine injured. Yea, So family members, someone who's been injured, anyone who's had an adverse effect, these blood clots that we're seeing all over the place, Athletes,

young athletes, many cases. Um, you run a Google news search right now for suddenly died and then just get it so that it's right around it's two, and then run one and you'll see the results that speak for itself. Well. And look at VARs too, especially comparatively speaking to previous I mean, there's been more dust from the COVID vaccine alone on varis than you know, I think, like twenty years combined for every other vaccine. So, but I wanted

to talk to you about this new docuseries. That turning point is that with that you were out with called Border Battle, and which is particularly helpful given your national security background as well. You know, we're sitting right now New York City, Washington, d c cities across America are now border towns. And you know, every every town in America is a border town right now. This is a six part series. How much damage has this unfettered illegal

immigration under the Biden administration done to the country. Well, so you're looking at damages in terms of not only the deaths from fentin al which is coming in across which is the number one in some of these states. It's becoming the number one killer of four year old nails, is fentanyl death overdose. We're also seeing in terms of the rape and child sex slavery that goes in across this border every single day. That's going on undebated. So take the you know, the politics out of it. We

have no idea what's going on across our border. And what's incredible with this docu series that we put together with Turning Point USA, it's a sale now. It's all over the place that we've got active duty border patrol members, active duty border sheriffs, active duty mility in some cases military or just out of the military that are coming

forward to talk about their true stories. Um sometimes whistleblowers or even have to come up you know, using the old you know Cone event anonymity and showing them in silhouette, etcetera, and using voice changing techniques because they're not allowed to say publicly what they know is going on every single day there because they can see under this administration, they are not told to defend the border anymore. Right, They're

essentially are welcome force. Is that when they get people across, they put them into the system, then the system goes and you can ferry them around. And of course you've seen some of the governors kind of use this to to enact some political gains. But at the same time, it's kind of like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic because the system has not been fixed, or we can move stuff around and get some attention to it. And

I think that's that's useful. But at the same time, this system is going acrossible because we are so focused on a country right now at the crisis in Ukraine, the regional crisis in Ukraine. We're funding Ukrainians, We're giving tens of billions of dollars to the government to their military to defend their borders. Okay, but we've got a crisis right now and we're not even looking at it.

The right way, because there's still this narrative out there although these are just people who are looking for a better opportunity, they're just looking for a better life. We got to owe it to them. We're a nation of immigrants. Will bring up Christopher Columbus and stolen land and just had a Columbus that actually today is you know, the real anniversary of Otber twelve and recording this and the the idea is it's not just people coming across, it's cartels.

You have to understand this is a cartel operation. And the fact that those northern states of Mexico, those northern the northern provinces, they're not controlled by the federal government of Mexico. They're controlled by warring and competing cartels. So you have the cartels which control their own territory directly. They're not operating within the government obviously within the confines

of the government of Mexico. UM you could argue whether or not, uh, some of the us UM intelligence community has any any sort of history there. But what we're seeing our cartel wars that are now spilling over not just across the border, but all the way up to places like Phoenix, like Dallas, like Santa Fe, New Mexico, Albuquerque. I mean, obviously everyone can see Breaking Bad and better call Saul and see the reality of this and say, guys, it's not just a TV show. This is happening in Cicario,

is not just a movie. This is happening every single day to people who live right here in our own country. I mean, we're talking about and and and by the way, I'll just you know, I'm always supposed to throw it out there, not as a you know, trigger warning or whatever, but this is a very graphic documentary and we pull no punches. Um. There are images and videos in the that are not made for little azan ears. Because you see the cartel houses, the hit houses, the kill houses.

You see the Los Aidas and some of these other organizations that use some of the most brutal methods that you'll see anywhere in this hemisphere. It looks like an isis video of what they're doing to men, women and children and houses right here inside the continental United States of America. When they want to send a message to anyone else who thinks, oh, you don't have to pay the coyote back, or oh you tried to escape, can you give us an example of that of you know,

something that they've done. So there is one video we show where at the time when the task force is able to get in, it's a it's a joint joint task force. So you've got poor tech, you've got other elements in there that this is a house where the

bodies have just been dismembered. And essentially what it is is at the point in the investigation they weren't entirely sure, but they think it looked like was that some people, some members of the cartel had tried to go off on their own and start selling, uh, start to setting up their own human traffic at operation, start bringing their

own people across the border. We're talking about you know, girls in their in their thirties that are complicit in this and that are telling other girls down southern Southern America, South America and Central America to come in and come across the border. And then when they come in they realize, you know, they're bringing the drugs with them, they're being um, they're being these mules for it. But they didn't do

it with the behest with the cartel. The cartel finds out about it and has every single member of this family dismembered and essentially displayed in their own home, so that when everyone hears about this. And keep in mind, they're not doing this to be surreptitious. They're not trying to be covert about this. They want media to find out about this, They want the government to know about this. They want everyone to see what happens if you cross the cartel, and we showed this, we showed this in

the doctment. Well, and you know you mentioned fence and all the number one killer for adults eighteen to forty five, I think something like roughly three hundred Americans die every day from fentanyl overdoses. And I've heard the comparison of Okay, you know, an average plane carries something like a d and thirty eight people, And if we had a plane of that many people crashing every single day, people would be in an uproar. Why is there not more outrage

on this? Well, so I think it's because, you know, a huge amount of these people are in two places that our media and our politics just completely overlook, and

that's the Midwest and that's inner cities. And so when you're in the Midwest, when you're a flyer of the country, this idea that we de industrialized this area, we decided to outsource all these jobs and leave them in behind, leave them behind, and people like Kevin Williamson at National Review saying that all these people should just move and if they're not smart enough to move, then they deserve

to die. He actually said that, which I would say is the opposite of what Jade Events would say, because of course he has a whole movie out about this. We're he's talking about these people actually deserve dignity and respect because they are American citizens. But you could say the same thing about what's going on in our inner cities because the fedinyl that's hitting there, whether you whether the East Baltimore, whether the North Philly, wherever it is,

those are still American citizens. And you've got families of kids that are trying to go to school, that are trying to just live their lives, and they're surrounded by this every single day. And you go down to Kensington Avenue in Philadelphia, where I'm from the Philadelphia area. My brothers to live right down the street from Kensington Avenue, and you can't go there anymore because it's essentially controlled by fentinal zombies that walk around like an open air

drug market, and we're seeing this inside our cities. At the same time, our government and our media will sit there and tell us that we need to be focused on global warming, we need to be focused on the border disputes in far off Eurasia, we need to be focused on everything else under the sun, or these ephemeral, you know type ideals like like you know, equity, Well, what's the equity for people that are dying every single day on the street and we walk right by and

act like nothing's happening. I think there's been this sort of tacit agreement for from our discourse to just overlook pretty much anything that happens if it's in the heartlander of its inner cities. It's a really really good point, you know, and we you know, we hear a lot about Mexican cartels, which we've discussed already in the role of you know, obviously getting fence across the border as well as human smuggling and all the other atrocities that

they're committing. But China is the primary source of fence and also so talk about China's role in fueling this crisis and what people need to know about that. So China, what people need to understand is that in their view, from the view of the CCP, they're serving us are just desserts. Now you're saying, what do you mean, what did the US ever fuel drugs? And China know? But China, the Ching dynasty was taken down through the Opium Wars by the British Empire, and this was through the flooding

of opium and the opium dens into China. Now for the Chinese, they don't look at US and the UK and Europe as you know, they don't see very many meaningful distinctions in a large sense. They just see us all a sort of the bulk West. So the Westerners did that to them. So from their perspective, what they're doing is simply a continuation of what we did to them in the eighteen hundreds. You could call it the

Third Opium War. So from their perspective, they've launched the third Opium War of them versus us there in the driver's seat now flooding our towns, flooding our cities with this scourge. They know how terrible it is, They know every single bit how deadly it is. Why, because it's designed that way. It's designed and there's there's even synthetics

of this, they're super fentanyl that's hitting. You're seeing uh situations where special forces and even some police units police departments across the country are now deploying with nar camp because they're terrified um hearing stories of people who get little bits of fentanyl blown in their face or sprayed on them that they could have an immediate reaction um including paralysis up to death. And so the Chinese, the CCP completely understands what they've done. They're working hand in

glove with the cartels in order to do this. Why because they want us weaker, because they want us to be reduced, they want us to be softer. This is the exact same thing that the British Empire did to the Ching dynasty in the eighteen hundreds, and now they flipped the script and they're doing it to us in in China. And I lived in China for two years, I lived in Shanghai. That they teach that from the eighteen about eighteen fifty or so, the first Opium War

untill nineteen was called the Century of Humiliation. And this is the time where where Europe forced China to be opened up to their their ports to force the opium in and then, of course what happens in October one, that's the founding of the People's Republic of China. What

do we see going on in China now? Well, She jun Ping is about to essentially be coornated at the at the twentie National Party Conference for the c c P as the next paramount leader for life of the c C There's only ever been one other one of those, and his name was Mao Zedong. That shows you the power that she Jinping has right now, shows the you the ability he has. There's been some factions that have tried to take him down. What's he done. He's taken

all of them out. And so what he's trying to do is create a new century of humiliation where it's the West being humiliated, not them. Could commercial break more on the docuseries Border Battle Check. I assume I probably should know this, But China is not suffering from the same fenanel issue as Americans are, right, Is that correct? Or are they? Oh? No, no, no, no no, no no no, no drug drug used. Um so there there's there's two things that are strictly forbidden in China. One is drug

use and the other one is pornography. So the CCP for for all that they will allow, for all that they that you can do in China, if you're caught with drugs, if you're caught with pornography, the pornography that those lock you off will just does confiscate everything. But if you're caught with drugs and you're a drug dealer, just straight up death penalty. Um, there's no you know, there's barely any trial. There's a perfunctory legal hearing and

then you're given a very fast death penalty. In fact, China is the leader in death penalty across the entire world. Um, it got to the point and of course the numbers in China are just staggering, beyond anything that we can even almost comprehend or wrap our minds around in the West. And because they were executing so many people in China, a couple of years ago they enacted these new a new method of this that they called a mobile death penalty.

Essentially a van that drives around from prison to prison. So rather than have you know, all these lethal injection sites, they would just drive the van to wherever they need to execute somebody and a huge number of these world drug dealers. You know, we we see that, you know, New York City headlines struggling to cope with five thousand five illegal immigrant kids. I know in the docuseries you

cover border states, Arizona in Texas. How are these border towns copaying when you know they are at the front lines of this illegal immigration invasion. So I'll give you a great example of this, and I won't even mention

border towns. The border towns are being completely inundated. But a lot of the times, really when it comes to some of these small towns, I'm just gonna say it, and it comes up in the docuseries that you've got mayors, you've got local city councils, politicians, they're completely paid off

by the cartels. Uh, they're effectively cartel towns. They know that drugs are coming through, and the way they look at it as hey, let's just let this come through, Let's let this happen on our watch, and we're not going to do anything about it. Um. I hate to bring it up, but actually, one of the towns, and I'm not saying that this is a cartel town, but it was a town that and still is a town that is a on a major trafficking route for human

smuggling and Fentanel is Uvalde, Texas. So when the vality shooting happened in Texas, when the call first went out to police and law enforcement of the school shutdown everybody in the town. Actually, this came out in later on in the in the investigation that the Texas um Department Public Safety did. It came out in the investigation that they thought, oh, that's just another illegal immigrant chase. We're

not going to worry about it because this thing. They had had something like two dozen lockdowns already just in this year alone at the Vivaldi School because of human trafficking and police chases across the border. That's how bad things are in these cartel towns. Then when you look at some of these other situations like UM, like Fort Wachuca.

So when I was in military, went to Fort Wachuca a couple of times for training before my deployment to one Tonamo before another deployment East Asia for human intelligence training. It's an army base. But even though as an eighty guy, they said, hey, army has got a good school on this yoking right there. Fort Wachuca is right next to the town is Hereavista. It's it's located on the border itself, so it's you know, the sort of defense is contiguous

with the border. In southern Arizona. The four Watchuca base commander just reached a couple of weeks ago, had to send a message back to his higher headquarters at the Pentagon saying, our base is being overrun with illegal migrants. We don't have the MPs to be able to deal with this because there's simply too many of them crossing again onto a United States military base and cutting across

and escaping back into the country. So we've got military bases on the border that are being overrun with illegal immigrants right now, and even the US military, with all the abilities and authorizations they have on military property, can't cope with it. Well. Also, if you wanted to destroy a nation, which we know that the left does, wouldn't you have millions of illegal immigrants who don't share our values, don't share our culture, or don't care about our country

in Venezuela sending prisoners. I mean, when that destroy a nation, well, it certainly would. And when you also look at the

open border policies of the left. One of the main issues that I think a lot of people don't realize is is that when you're talking about importing this many people and again five million people in just the last two years alone that we can estimate that have come across our border illegally, what this does is create it creates an artificial competition for low wage jobs, working class jobs.

So when you're constantly importing people to create this artificial competition for low wage jobs, right, you know, go back to economics one oh one, Tom Seul or whatever you wanna do. Um, Obviously, this is going to keep those wages down. So you've got artificial controls on and this damper on wages staying low. So if wages stay low forever for the working class there obviously, and you guess what if you've got a five percent raise this year and inflation is seven you didn't get a raise, right,

I hope everyone can figure out how that works. Um, What this does is it creates stunted well formation. It creates stunted family formation, because if your wages aren't going up, then how you're going to be able to order family? How are you going to be able to afford a house. How are you gonna be able to afford a car? And then you have crazy people like AOC saying things like, well, we need more of these immigrants, and we need to give amnesty and you know, dacka amnesty and everything else,

because our birth rates are going down. This is what AOC said recently, and you have to turn it out and say, no, it's actually the opposite. It's because of this issue that our birth rates are going down because so many people being flooded with opium, so many of

that you know, vent and olds, the new opium. So many people are being flooded with these low wage job depressants, and at the lower end of the working class that you don't have the ability to create well formation, family formation, You can't get out of the middle class, you can't get up into middle class from the working class, and you've created a perpetual cycle that, to your point, is going to essentially gut this country from the middle inside out.

And you know you follow this stuff obviously extremely closely, as evidence by just this conversation, and you know I follow you on Twitter as well. Did you learn anything from this doc like a docuseries that you didn't previously know. I'm sure about what what kind of stood out to you or or alarmed you or shocked you. So I think the most alarming thing to me in in going through the docuseries is that people don't understand the level of brutality that goes on here. Um, people don't understand

the human stories. And we as a country, we just had this big argument about Columbus Day. We have arguments about slavery and things that happened two hundred years ago are things that happened five hundred years ago. And I'm not saying that those aren't worthy conversations. But when you look at what's going on in our border, there is slavery that's alive and well right here inside the United States today. There are rape trees that are found every

single day along the southern border. What that means is the illegals have come through and then when law by the time any law enforcement gets their border patrol gets there, they find on the tree itself underwear from women's underwear and sometimes even children's underwear hanging up on these trees. And it's meant as a sign, It's meant as a message, it's meant as bragging. This is what we could get away with right under your noses. And they're sold into

sexual slavery, they's sold into labor slavery. This is going on in our country today. And so to all the people out there that are so very upset about these things that happened hundreds and hundreds of years ago, okay, but can we work on the thing that's going on right inside our own borders today? That's atrocious and sad, and yes we should be focusing on it. I'm glad you guys did in this Docky series. I know you've

got a tight timeline. I want to have you back to I wanted to ask you about Ukraine, but I wanted to be respectful of your schedule. So I'd love to have you back just to talk about Ukraine, um and get your thoughts on that. Where can people go and watch this? Where should they go and watch the document docuseries Border Battle? Right if you go to t pos Hey dot com you'll find all the links. It's also up on Salem now. It's going to be a six part series. Apart one came out last week. Part

two is dropping very soon. By the way, this is high level this is like, it's kind of like what Vice News used to be. If you remember that back when it was still on HBO and they were doing the high level stuff and they would have bed in Iraq and some of these other places. I mean, nobody's doing that anymore. And now vices rather tell you about the drag queen addicts or you know some crazy uh

you know, some crazy stuff here in the United States. Well, we're taking that same level of quality, but we're applying it to stuff that's actually going on and actually matters on Ukraine. Just very quickly to you know, to answer your question, um, you know, I would basically say that I think there's two camps on this issue. One of them is escalation and one of them is de escalation.

And they try to paint this sort of Mannichean model of things where the Hegelian dialectics or you're either pro Ukraine, your pro Russia, pro Ukraine pro Russia, like it's some kind of you know, like something out of the Avengers or Star Wars, you know, for the rebels for the Empire, and whereas I come in and say, wait a minute, you know, you guys are escalating these things with a

nuclear power. We should be very careful about that, and we should remember the history of the nineteen eighties and understand why it's a very very bad idea when people are talking about the nukes starting to fly anywhere in the world, because of what the ramifications and the secondary

and tertiary problems did that come with. So I commend Elon Musk for his recent tweet for at least starting the conversation about saying, Look, we may disagree on who should control what territory and what I got it right, I got it, but we should hopefully all agree that World War three is not worth it well, and they want us to believe that Putin sabotaged his own pipelines when he already has control of the supply and he can turn them off and on as he pleases what

she has already done. So it's it doesn't really this is one thing that you're you want to do when you're in a war in times of warfare. It it's unsue, right, destroy your own pipeline in times of war. That's uh, you know, that's that's one of the first things they teach in the Russian military academy, destroy your own pipelines destroy your own bridges, and I think that you know, quite frankly, if you're following this logic, the logical next step is for Putin to threaten to nuke himself in

the Kremlin from orbit while he himself is in it. Well, like, why would you give up your leverage when Europe is already on its knees in terms of energy supply and that's you know, that's like your car. Why why would you? Why would you? It? Just it like flies in the face of any common sense whatsoever. Yet the media is all of his leverage to your over Europe is now

lying at the bottom of the baltic Um. Though I did hear somebody was mentioning earlier today that apparently he made some statement about how they could consider repairs on North Stream, so possibly opening that door up a little bit ahead of the T twenty meeting that's coming up later this month in in Southeast Asia. Quick commercial break

back with Jacksobic. We just live in such a post truth world where we're being told that, you know, Russia's destroying its own pipelines, its own leverage, that breadlines are good, that somehow millions of illegal aliens in the United States makes us better, Like it's just you know, it's just well, you saw you saw politicos the political Europe today they were going through there. They did a list of the top green activists in all of Europe for two and

number one on the list was Vladimir Putin. I'm not even Joe game. This is not Babylondie. You can text seth and and check the sethdil and obviously and uh and they actually named Vladimir Putin the number one. So sorry, Greta, I mean losing to Putin, I mean, gosh, that must be, you know, such a blow to the to the psyche,

you know, how dare he right? But yeah, Putin is labeled number one because now they're turning around and saying, oh, maybe maybe fossil fuels we should maybe we should look at that little thing all right called nuclear energy, the thing that, by the way, the left has been standing in the way of for a general and then two were relying on Putent to negotiate with Iranians regarding the

nuclear deal and then simultaneously regarding Ukraine. We're giving them tens of billions of dollars to a country where both the Bidens have profited from and have engaged in, you know, corruption, and so it's like none of it makes sense. Well it doesn't make sense. The only part of it that

makes sense. I will say this that if I were a corrupt oligarch in one of these other countries, I'd be paying off American politicians too, if I were a cartel, if I were if I were the CCP, if I were one of these oligarchs in Eastern Europe, sure, why wouldn't you have if they're to be bought? I mean, you look at some of these numbers, the Hunter Biden. That's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things. In order to receive contracts that get you

billions and billions of dollars, why not? You know, we're the ones. We're the ones who allowed our country to become so un serious, to become so corrupt, and allowed them to do it in the first place. So at the end of the day, you know, even though there's bad actors out there, guess what, there's always going to

be bad actors out there. At the end of the day, the responsibility lies with us to fix our country, to start acting like a serious country and start getting people in office that are actually compelled to represent the people that they were allocted to. How do we get to the truth on Ukraine though, because we we've got a media who they've lied to us repeatedly regarding Russia with

Trump collusion, all that bs Russia, bounties lies, all lies. Uh, And you know we've also got the fog of war or whatever is going How do we get to the truth? I was in Ukraine. We traveled by train, um doing doing recordings and interviews. Um, you know, you obviously can't fly, but we traveled by train all the way down to Odessa. We got into a car. We drove up to Nikolaia

just a couple of months ago. At this point, and when you're there on the ground, you have to realize that there are real people that are caught in the middle of this thing. And I think it's really just understanding that you have to look at things regardless of what sentate you is to say, do you want more death and destruct or do you want less? And what is the fastest and best way and then, by the way,

the most reasonable way to get there? These stories that like um, you know Zelinsky saying something like we're gonna blow up Russia like Luke Skywalker blew up the Death Star. While he's talking, by the way, to Mark Hamill, who apparently has been appointed the ambassador of the the Ukrainian drone programmer, I wish I were making that up. I'm actually dead serious that we need to start looking at

things seriously. We just start taking things seriously. We have to understand McCrone, Emmanuel McCrone, who's you know, you know, I'm no fan of he had he had a point about this and and but you know, I'm ethnically Polish, so you know, no fan of the Russians. But he had a point where he said, look, at the end of the day, Russia was there yesterday, they're there today,

and they will be there tomorrow. So at some point you have to figure out a way to deal with someone rather than keep trying to poke them and think that they're going to change. I mean, yeah, I know, I know that innocent p people are dying. It's just the rest of it is where there's a lot of questions, how does this end? Well, there's I mean, there's one of two ways. It either ends, um, you know, it either ends with nuclear war flying in the face of

everyone on the planet. So we're all dead. Um, go watch you know, there was that great show you know, One Day After the Day After on ABC back in the eighties, And of course they won't share that anymore about what would actually happen in nuclear war. Um, it could end with the peace deal, a ceasefire. I would hope that that's how it ends. I would I pray that that's how it ends. That the ceasefire comes as fast as possible, because there's good people dying, there really are.

Or you could see something where essentially Russia pushes forward because we get tapped out of our economic support, the money printer breaks, because at some point, the money printer is always going to break, right, this this modern monetary theory and KEENSI and economics, it only goes so far. And even as as Keens famously equipped at one point they said, well it happens in the long run, he said, well, in the long run, you die anyway, so it doesn't matter. Um,

But as a country, we would essentially collapse. Our government would only be able to control things internally, and that's why you see the crackdown on the opposition and disidence. The way you do now and then essentially they would leave the crane in a smoking ruin because they do have the military capability to do that. I think everybody needs to sober up very quickly and understand that they always maintain that option on the table. Makes sense. Jack,

thanks for bringing some clarity on that issue. And then also the docuseries Border Battle. I've watched the trailers. I'm looking forward to to watching it. It looks really well done, so I appreciate your time. Always been a fan of your work. UM. I would love to have you back on the show. God blessy, so let's do it soon.

That is Jack and Sobic very interesting thing. I learned a lot from him regarding the legal immigration front from the docuseries that he did UM as well as on Ukraine as well as a smart guy follow on Twitter. U interested in his work. I appreciate you guys for listening. You know, leave us a review, give us five stars on Apple Podcasts. I want to thank John Cassio and my producer for putting this together every Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. Thanks for listening.