New Leadership with Harmeet Dhillon

happen in leadership, and that's at the RNC. There is a race that is underway right now to be the chair of the RNC. Her Meat Dylan has challenged Rona McDaniel, who has been there through the mid term election where we lost. The two thousand twenty two midterm elections that we just did, we had her performed, we didn't do

as well as we had hoped. So we're going to talk to her and meet Dylan about why she is challenging Rona McDaniel, what she hopes to accomplish, what changes would she like to see made at the RNC, you know, what our challenges moving forward as the Republican Party, and and what does she want to do about mail and ballot. So many questions for her. Meet Dylan, who is running

to be RNC chair. So we'll get her take on all of those, really figure out where she's coming from, why she's running, and what she would hope to accomplish as the RNC chair. Also, you know, what does she think about the upcoming presidential election? How would she shape that, how would she guide that? So we'll talk to her about all of it. If you're unfamiliar with her, Meet Dylan.

She's on Fox all the time. But even more importantly, she has fought for conservative causes as an attorney, fighting for civil liberties. As a constitutional attorney, she helped launch the nonprofit Center for American Liberty in two thousand eighteen. She is also the founder of a law practice called

Dylan Law Group. I mean, we're talking about even during COVID, standing up against states, filing lawsuits against the state of California challenging its stay at home order, fighting on behalf of businesses, fighting on behalf of restaurants, fighting on behalf of people who had their constitutional rights violated. She also filed lawsuits against the governor's in New Jersey and Virginia at that time over the restrictions on religious service is so this is someone who not only talks to talk,

but she walks the walk and she wins. I hope you enjoyed this conversation with her, meat Dylan. I hope you learn a little bit more about her and what she would hope to accomplish if she is elected. Stay tuned herd me before we get to the RNC race, which is really important and I want to spend most of the time talking about that. I wanted to get your take on Joe Biden's mishandling of classified information after

he criticized Donald Trump for mishandling of classified information. Turns out that he has been holding documents for years now at multiple locations. Well, I think Joe Biden's got a real problem because President Trump has multiple defenses to claims that he's mishandled the documents. First of all, he was the commander in chief and was legitimately able to and contend that he declassified the documents that are being disputed

at Mara. Lago said, even if they weren't declassified, if you accept the alternate interpretation of that situation, he had the right under the presidential Records Act to hold on to these documents for a period of time to sort through them and and then analyze what should be turned over to the National Archives. Joe Biden, by contrast, got possession of these documents as the Vice president of the

United States. He has since that time been responsible for their move not once, not twice, but at least three times. And there may be other document caches based on the pattern that we're seeing. So he moved them out of the White House or his Vice presidential offices, moved them into one building, moved them into another building, and he's had various roles and lived in at least one home and spends every other weekend, it seems, in some luxurious

vacation rental. And so there are probably multiple locations that if the Department of Justice and National Archives are serious about finding these documents, they should be searching right now. But I see no evidence of that. And ultimately, the other major distinction with the former vice president is the number of people around him who are appeared to be

compromised by their relationships with foreign governments. This specifically includes Hunter Biden, James Biden to some degree, I would say even the Vice president, former vice president current president himself. Both China, Ukraine and possibly other countries have had their hands out for relationships with the name Biden and provided very lucrative remuneration in exchange for that. On one of the documents mentioned in the first trench of Documents and

the presses it relates to the Ukraine. So you have to wonder why are these specific documents the ones that are in the former vice president's possession? Who had access to them? Some news reports suggests that in the case of the pen office, a Chinese operative had keys and access to this workspace. And and what happened in response to review of these documents? Who reviewed them? So I think it's good that the form that the Attorney General

is now appointed a special prosecutor here. But for months, this whole fact pattern was the subject of a cover up. Specifically, the possession of these documents came to light at least in early November, but it was concealed from the American public until a a house was seated that was likely to begin issuing subpoena. You know, again, yet again you have the intelligence apper at us making moves to affect the outcome of an election. Uh, this is this is

the second case involving the Biden's um. You might argue that the whole Ashley Biden raid against Project Veritas would be another example. So this is the exact kind of weaponization of our intelligence services that that I hope the House is serious about investigating as they promised to do in the Congress. And in the timing is weird too, of you know, this just now coming to light. But

to your point, maybe it's because House. You know, Republicans have taken over the House and investigations are going to be underway. Um. You know, we did not get changes to congressional leadership. However, we still have an opportunity to make changes that the R and C, which one would think would be important given you know, a poor performance in the midterm elections. Uh. You know, for those unfamiliar,

how do these RNC elections work for the position of chair. Well, there are hundred sixty voters in total, and it's a majority vote, but a secret ballot, and we have the deadline was earlier today to complete nomination. So to be nominated, you have to have two members of the three members

from each of three separate states nominate per office. And so I've qualified for the chair position, so as RANA, we also have contested co chair and treasurer races, and all of that's going to be voted on in Danta Point, California in our winter. Are at beating in two weeks, two weeks from today, we may have a new chair of the r n C UM And so it's all

a lot of horse trading and lobbying. This is a race against an entrenched incumbent who is you know, utilizing all the assets of the r n C in this race, press office, employees of the RNC, consultants of the r n C, you know, one prominent Fox News contributors paid by the r n C, and you know was making statements on the FLA VRATA earlier in this campaign. So you know that's what I'm up against. It I may

sort of David versus Golife campaign. I have had the support of many members of the r n C, agree with growing number of members of the r n C. UH certainly the vast majority of the grassroots Republican voters in the country and Republican Party activists are supporting change

at the RNC and specifically supporting me. A number of states have held votes on the leadership of the r and C, and each of the states that has held votes on it has overwhelmingly voted for me or for change, or both, and increasingly major donors in the conservative world have come out to support me. And this is in response to one of the claims of the incumbents supporters is that she's a very good at fundraising if you

look at those facts. Actually, um, I think Donald Trump's name has been very to have been fundraising for the Republican National Committee. And when you have the White House, it's pretty easy to raise money. When you don't have the White House, it's not that easy to raise money, and in fact, our fundraising numbers show that. And when

you are losing elections, it's hard to raise money. And when you are adopting and promoting the same old, stale leadership and consultant driven policymaking that we have at the r n C, I think the RNC is going to find it very difficult to raise funds unless we have

a decisive change in leadership at the top. And so I'm gratified this week to have had at the beginning of the week more than two dozen major Republican mega donors and bundlers in a million dollar type range stated that they would not support the party until there was change. Bernie Marcus, the co founder of Home Depot billionaire donor, endorsed us on Wednesday, and today we had two major

donors as well. One is Dick you Line, another Megadona billionaire who has long supported men, many, many many Republican candidates and causes, endorsed me today as well as Murph Burke, who is a prominent Wisconsin donor and philanthropist who is also interestingly on our Wisconsin RNC Convention committee, which itself has to raise millions of dollars. So you have people at every level in the Republican donor ecosystem demanding change. I don't know how the party can continue to ignore that.

I think we actually have a fiduciary duty to look at who's the more likely in this scenario to be able to raise the funds that the party needs to use efficiently to distribute to states and to campaigns. Uh with with with support of field staff and things like that, and data and other assets to elect Republicans. It's that basic,

and so you know, we hope they get able. We were able to convince the rest of the people to support Yeah, and to your point in Tiger Group recently did a poll finding the eighty six percent of Republicans want you to be chair over Rona McDaniel to your point of the grassroots winning change and wanting you to be that change. And you mentioned raising money, which obviously raising money is important in elections, but it's also what do you do with that money and are you effective

in spending that money? And what we've seen is the challenge of mail in ballots that has had a big impact on the past two election cycles. How do you plan on tackling that challenge with mail and balloting? Yeah, great question. So, first of all, mail and balloting has been a thing in many states for some time. And you know, like some of the more rural states in the country, Utahn and Oregon, they've had all mail in

balloting for for a long while. In California we've had what we call no excuse abstintee balloting for for decades. And during COVID, Democrats pretty much made this the norm and the majority of states and that laws has stayed in place despite the fact that COVID is effectively over so there are two ways to deal with it. You can sit on your behind, continue to call elections election day operations and pretend like nothing has changed, which is

unfortunately the approach we've been adopting. Or you can be smart about it and compete with the Democrats, which is what a handful of states have been doing effectively California, Florida, some others, and adapt and we have to adapt or die.

It's it's that diarist situation. And so until we can change the election laws to the way we like them, which is voter I D and no same day registration and really tight requirements around absentee ballots, combined with very clean voter rolls, we must defeat and outperform the Democrats in hustling our ballots into the ballot box. And so for many years we've had this emotional type of approach to appeal to voters to go and you know, stand in line and vote in person symbolically on election day,

and the Democrats don't have that problem. So I've heard a lot of excuses out of the current leadership for the party saying, well, you know, Donald Trump picked bad candidates, and there was candidate selection issues, and there was ticket splitting and blah blah blah. But let's keep in mind who the Democrats have been able to elect with their machine. Joe Biden the biggest liar in American politics. And that's you know, even next to George Santos, Joe Biden is

still by far the biggest liar. You look at John Fetterman, who couldn't even speak for much of his campaign because of his stroke. You have Katie Hobbs, who wouldn't debate in Arizona and became the governor over a much more articulate and I think appealing candidate, and so all of that adds up to it doesn't matter who the Democrats put up, because they have perfected the art of getting their voters ballots into the ballot boxes, not getting their

voters to the polls. It's a very important distinction. Most of those Democrat voters never see the inside of a polling place anymore. In Arizona on election day where I was on the ground, the voters on election day were Republican voters. And so we lose every time if we let the Democrats set the agenda with us like that, and what it requires for us to outperform Democrats is

a couple of things. First of all, a national strategic plan from the R and C. And then training and financial resources because when you go from election day operations to election month operations, it's going to cost more money. You may also have to train and recruit more volunteers and put them in and shifts. Uh. It's it's an organizational challenge that the party has not been up to,

but it's not that difficult. If it were that difficult, Democrats couldn't luster it, and they have and so I think we can do it, but we have to have a will to do it. I haven't heard the current share talk about it at all, and I think that's because she's intimidated by the fact that many Republican Party activists don't like what I just said. And I don't like it, but the fact is you have to do

it if you want to win. And if you don't have the political willpower to stand up and say something that may be unpopular with certain aspects of your party, you're not a leader. And so I think that's, you know, a big, big crossroads that we have. Are we willing to stand up and say things that that are unpopular or do we have to pander to every aspect of of the party commercial break more with her meat. Dylan on the other side, You've got a lot going on.

I mean, you've run a law practice, the Dylan Law Group. I mean, I mean you're involved with, you know, many other things. Why why do you want this? Well, it's not a question of why do I want this? But who else is going to do it? And you're right, I'm very passionate about my day job heading a forty person law firm with five off this is around the country doing some of the most important conservative litigation in America. Very passionate about the nonprofit that you hear me talk about.

I'll be talking about um a new case we followed this week about transgender grooming issues, and that's also very important work. I'm also the chairman of the Republican National Lawyers Association, so I'm a Republican election lawyer in the country,

head of that organization right now on the board. And you know, obviously I'm a media commentator, but I'm gonna have to step aside from all of those rules except for probably media commentator and chair of the R and C. If I win this and that's because no other member of the Republican National Committee stepped forward to challenge for her fourth term. And you know, I'm sure she did her best for three terms. She's a person who obviously

cares about Republicans and wants them to win elections. But after three terms, we lost the House, the Senate, the White House, and several governorships in net losses. We can't ignore that fact, and so I think it's really time for somebody else to step forward. And you know, R and C is a unique organization and everyone there is you know, sort of the top Republican people in their state, the chairman, and you know, senior leaders in the party.

That's the National Committee men and woman. I failed that role from California. So it's very genteel. You know, there's no sharp elbows. Everyone gets along, and so it's rare to have a contested leadership race. You know, the kind of people trying to expect you to sit there and wait your turn. And I'm sorry, but America can't afford for us to wait our turn for somebody, you know, to step forward and make the changes necessary at the r NC. The country is suffering without a proper rebuke

to Joe Biden and strong leadership in our party. We're going to suffer for four more years. I don't know what our countries don't look like after four more years of this disaster. The next two years is going to be bad enough. And so that's why I step forward to do it. Well, I'm glad you did. I mean, you've fought for a lot of important causes you have won, and I think we need that kind of leadership at the r n C. H it. Why do you think

we fell short in the midterms? Oh? There are many reasons, and you know some of the reasons are the ones that I mentioned. There were definitely candidate mismatches between who could win the state. I mean, I think we should do better vetting where you know, even the former president has made a couple of endorsements that you know, I think it's hard to get elected in the state as a senator. I've never run for office before, and be

you didn't live in that state for many years. That was a problem with two of our candidates, But they weren't worse than the Democratic candidates, to be very clear, we just didn't do as good a job at getting them elected as Democrats did at getting their grossly inferior candidates elected. Graphael Warnock is a terrible candidate on paper, and yet we weren't able to beat him with a very good candidate in many ways. Um. And so we see blame on the Dobbs issue also from our party

leader Rod has blamed Dobbs. And I'm a pro life litigator and activist. I represent numerous pro life activists in court right now, I'm sewing planned parenthood and multiple cases. And uh. And so it seems to me like where you had a heads up that jobs was coming, with with what reasoning was coming, the party should have jumped on that and done a great job using this important federalism decision sending the issue back to the states, as as as something that we could message to both sides

and message it well. We did not do that. We were afraid to talk about it. Candidates were advised not to talk about it. Uh. And I think that was a mistake. It should have been discussed and resolved in each state and by each campaign. Um. And then I think we have some technical failures that that are probably gonna warrior listeners. But you know, I think we are being outperformed by the Democrats in terms of the use

of data. UM they invest financial resources in acquiring and harvesting and applying algorithms to data that allows them to target likely Democrat voters. And we also do that on the Republican side, and by the way, we do a very good job of it compared to the past, but we are not I think right now technically competing with the Democrats, are keeping up with them, and I think that's something that we can change with financial resource investment.

And if you're blowing the money you're raising on overhead overhead to UH ineffective political consultants inside the Beltway, some of whom don't even want our America First candidates to win. That's very clear in their cocktail party chatter. They would be living in d C and and thriving in these circles. Then, instead of buying data, instead of paying social media influencers who are young and or from different ethnic backgrounds who

can help us UH reach new audiences, we're losing. And so I think strong fiscal responsibility as a core tenet of Republican ideals, are not following it. At the Republican National Committee, the careful shepherding of donor dollars ought to be job one at the r and C, and it really isn't know, UM, I have a specific plan. It's

not glamorous, but it's it's nuts and bolts. We need to bring in some people with the gray hair back into the r n C. I'm one of those people with gray hair, uh though I'm vain and uh you know, we have to bring some people with experience and state parties and people would experience outside the RNC to help us rebuild the party and really focus on winning, not on you know, glamour, not on podcasts, not on anything other than helping Republicans win elections and helping a Republican

nominee whoever that is level playing field become the next president of the United States. At a time when it should be the easiest possible to defeat the left, we're struggling at doing that basic job, and so without a change, I'm very concerned that we will have no chance of winning. Win a change. It's going to be a challenge, but at least it's doable. I think a lot of people share your your frustration and would agree with what you just said. Real quick before we go. I know that

the elections internal, but how can people help? Well, the members of the Republican National Committee are three in each of the fifty states and six territories. They in turn, are elected not directly by voters, but by the party activists in each states. So for example, in California, I am elected by fift hundred delegates of the state party.

And so really the most effective advocacy is for those state party delegates or precinct committee men or limit or executive committee of the state party to contact the three members who they elect and tell them what their opinion is in no on certain terms. State parties are having special meetings all over the country. So for example, if you're one of those state party delegates in Florida, you have the opportunity in a week, one week from today,

to travel to Tallahassee and vote on this issue. And that just happened in Arkansas and Louisiana, Alabama, Texas, Tennessee, and and uh I think Arizona. Throughout the country, it's happening. There's a vote coming up in Washington State shortly on

this issue. And so those are the most effective. But if you are a voter in the state, and you're an active Republican, I would say you could reach out politely to the three members of your state or your territory, let them know you live in their state, because they're going to ignore it if you don't live in their state and share your preference and why politely and persuasively.

That is having an impact on many of the members of the R and C. Other members of the R and C don't want to hear from voters directly, which itself is a problem, I think, but in any event, it's never persuasive to be anything other than polite. And uh so I regret that some people feel so passionately about this that they haven't been and I'm getting blamed for that. So so don't do that, please, And you know, finally,

get engaged and get involved. If your Republican representatives at the Republican National Committee at your state party aren't doing what's right for you, but instead of doing what's right for them, they got a plump committee assignment, they got their photograph taken with some famous person, they got a nice seat at the table. Goal then they're portraying their promise to you. And so get involved and get yourself elected to one of those positions. That's what I can

ask for Republican activists. But on Twitter and everyone that followed me, of the members that message directly and then the ones that had opened Twitter where you could message them, I said the US. I was very polite about it, but I expressed the desire for change with you, hurt, Meet Dylan. I'm rooting for you. I know you'd be a phenomenal chair and you would make the changes that we need, so I truly hope you get it. I appreciate you taking the time as always and uh always

nice to catch up with you. Thank you so much, Lisa, take care. It's her, Meet Dylan truly hope she ends up being the RNC chair. That would be a really important place to make change US as a party heading into what is a monumental and consequential presidential election for I want to thank you guys for listening. I want to thank John Cassio for putting the podcast together as always Monday and Thursday, but you can listen throughout the week. Leave us a review at a rating on Apple Podcast

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