Getting Candid with Will Cain

Awesome interview with Wolcaneo Less. He's a great guys on Fox News. You know him. He's a co host of Fox and Friends Weekend. Before that he was at ESPN. He had a radio show there as well, called The Wilcaine Show, which makes sense because his name is wilkane uh. And then before that he was also on stun In for a little bit of time. God bless him for that, right, But takes a lot of courage and also patience to be on a network like that. So he's an awesome guy.

So it was an awesome conversation, amazing, really really like one of the best. And then guess what happened. This is what the bad news kick said. So somehow we had a technical glitch the podcast system that we used to record everything. It recorded what he had to say, but not what I had to say. Now the good news is what he had to say. It was so good that we're keeping the interview. I didn't want to scrap it. I didn't want to can it. But I also wanted to be honest with you, guys. I don't

want to b su. It's a whole point of this freaking podcast is being honest with you and just saying it how it is. So that's what happened. So what we're gonna do is I mean to give you kind of a guided tour. You know, maybe like Disney will approach me for some voiceover work after this or something, but I'm just kidding. That's not gonna happen. Also, they're a terrible company, so I don't really wonder from I mean,

not like it's gonna happen. But anyway, stay suff But so point big is basically just going to try to walk you through this interview. It's still good, it's still worth listening to. Wilcaine makes amazing points. The guys awesome. So here's the interview with Wilcaine. So, Will Caine, I appreciate I was on your podcast recently, so I feel like we're doing a tag team here. I love it. Yes, you were awesome on my podcast last week. I hope I can live up to the expectations in the example

set this week. Oh you, well, we'll see. I was telling you on your podcast. What I really appreciate. I feel like there's so much cowardice in the media these days, and you're not and you always say how you feel, and you're always honest about things, and I feel like there's just so much self censorship that goes on and

people are just afraid to say what is true. And I think and part of that is because what we see with big tech and all the censorship that goes on there, which is obviously coming from the White House, but we do it to ourself. There are a lot of people in the media do it to themselves. I feel like, oh yeah, self censorship is the most insidious

form of censorship, you know. Um, I appreciate that compliment that I somehow don't do so or I go forth bravely, but I'll tell you I'll tell you maybe where that comes from, but also ask you a question on the back end. You know, most of my career, Lisa, I have been not with an organization like Fox I've been. I was at CNN for several years, and then I

spent five years at ESPN. So I was constantly surrounded by people who disagreed with me, and I actually think on most of those occasions, my position was actually the one that was more mainstream, that was more popular. It was just quiet, and I saw so many people sensor them spells, particularly at ESPN, because they were worried about the backlash on social media or this percepnce they wouldn't be liked. I just never worried about that. I'm like, you know, I don't know, this is what I think.

Can I actually think a lot of people agree with me. So I wanted to ask Will about the point I made earlier about the fact that there's a lot of cowardice and media. Why is there so much group think? Why why are people so afraid to speak their mind today? Listen to what he had to say. Yeah, So what we're looking at today is this convergence of like people are calling it whatever, mass formation psychosis, right, which is I think a fancy term for like overwhelming group think.

And yeah, you're right. I mean we're looking at a massive amount of overwhelming group think, which is supported by you know, appeals to authority. Who are you to know? How do you know? Are you a doctor? Do you work for the CDC? Whatever? It may be, Right, it's just all designed to shut down any torp sort of independence. But yeah, I don't know, it's not it's it's the main thing is it's just asking you not to be a critical thinker, and that's not something I'm willing to do.

So Basically, when I do these, I'm always looking up information about people, trying to figure out is there anything interesting about their background that people might not know. So one thing that I discovered when looking up information about well one, I didn't know he was an attorney before this interview. And then secondly, he actually worked on a ranch in Montana after law school. Listen, yeah, both of those things are true. I might be more proud of

one than the other. You know, the ranch experience on my resume is a better conversational topic at parties than he's going to law school, because everybody goes to law school, right, what is that? Um? You know, law schools like this default path in life for people who don't know what they want to do after college. But I actually, by the way, I really loved law school. I loved it. I feel like I learned more in three years at law school than I learned in four years of college.

And the main thing I learned how to do is to organize my thoughts. And um, I don't know. And I went to law school University of Texas, and I lived in Austin, and it was a damn good time. And it's perfectly my style. It's perfectly my style as well, at least at UT law, where it's like one test per class per semester. You're not gonna be bogged down with busy work. That's good for me, you know. So I could have a really good time on sixth Street or four Street or wherever it was at that night

in Austin. But for a month at the end of the semester, I had to buckle down the library and figure out exactly what this whole thing was about. Um. But the ranch. Yeah, I lived in Montana. After law schoo I moved to Montana. I worked on a ranch.

We were primarily a hunting outfitter. We had horses and mules, and we book trips for hunters that came in, mostly from out of state, to go hunt elk or sheep, rams um or moose or whatever it may be, mostly elk and deer, and it was an awesome experience in my life. I mean, one of the you know whatever, when I'm when I'm done with this life, it will be something I look back on and think, what a

what a year well spent. What's really sad is that I was telling him this epics story about how when I went to Jackson Hole with a couple of girlfriends, we hung out on a ranch U my a friend of a friend, knew some guys who owned the ranch. We ate elk, we had a camp fire. And then also I was telling him about this epic game of corn hole that I was playing where it was like hours,

you know, a couple of hours. I think it was like maybe three hours, or it was like this epic game eventually would And then we got in this whole conversation about if we're both competitive or which obviously I yeam. I grew up with three brothers, but to listen to what he had to say about that I am competitive, but there's levels to this. I'll tell you, Like I am. I've always thought of myself and I am I'm a

competitive person. And you know, um, I have two brothers, I had a I have a best friend who's been my best friend since the age of one. And I mean it's like we were always together and really what that was was always on the verge of a fight because we were so competitive with one another. Um, so you kind of wonder where that comes from. My son's

play soccer now, and like they're they're both competitive. My younger one, I've always thought it was like super competitive, but then the higher level he gets, I'm like, man, you know the difference between you and the other boys, and like it's not skilled, it's not ability. It's like they will not accept any outcome but a win. They will cheat. They will play through the game like it doesn't matter the coach has to say, Okay, game over. They literally will not stop until they win. I'm like,

you're gonna have to find that, buddy. So I think of myself as competitive, but there are levels to this. I wanted to get will take about the sixty minutes interview with Joe Biden. Obviously, it's painful to have to sit through any interview listening to Joe Biden, because he's an idiot, and he's old and senile, and he's also evil.

But so I wanted to ask him if he had watched that, and I teed up this clip for him, and then I asked him if he had watched and got his reaction on the club who today think about it? It's all personal attacks. It's about motive, it's not about I disagree on the on the subject matter. And secondly, I think that it's I think it's fair to say that we've not had a president like the last president

who has made all but so personal. I've had six Republican senators I promised I'd never say their names and I won't come up to me in the last two years and said, Joe, I agree with you, but if I if I vote this way, it's gonna they're gonna primary, gonna lose an election. It didn't used to be that way, but it's coming back a little bit. This was the vice presidential candidate that said they're gonna put you all

back in chains. Remember that he I don't know if this was when he was vice president of Canada under Barack Obama. Met Romney of all people, was running against him, and he was speaking to I don't remember which black organization, but he you know it on his his fake black accent, which is, how how do you get away with that? I don't understand how you get away with that? And then said they're gonna put you all back in chains. Like every everything he has done, let me make three points. One.

Everything he has done has been to vilify his opponents. This is the pandemic of the unvaccinated. Our patients is running out with you. You are actually endangering the lives of your neighbors. Were now dealing with semi fascists. We're dealing with threats to democracy. Every point he has made, every position he has stood firm on, has been to vilify his opponent as a person, not an idea or

a platform. Two. I hate this idea, Like Scott Pelley is sitting there talking to him about you know, the way it used to be, and and there's this vein of acceptability right, And for some reason, democratic policies and democratic politicians get to commander what is popularly accepted to be the middle. No matter what they do. They're kind of in the middle, outside of the ao c s of the world right there in the middle. And in

Republicans who oppose that middle, well, they're radical. It doesn't matter what the sentiments of the country is, it doesn't matter where you pulled people on an issue. He is he is the acceptable moderate middle of American politics. How is that? Why? Why does he get to hold that space? And in third, this is tied into that conversation we

just had. That space is increasingly commondeered by you know, radical thought, like what became mass formation psychosis or acceptable group think became get your kid vaxed regardless of the risk reward ratio or analysis, don't ask questions and just accept authority and or now it's whatever, like don't question your kid's choice and use and pronouns, or even take him to the doctor and begin to start hormone blockers.

That ground of acceptability is increasingly radical. So I don't even understand why we're sitting here today and Joe Biden gets to comment on what moderation is another part for him Joe Biden's interview, as he said that the pandemic is over, which is probably news to the military heroes who were kicked out because they didn't want to get the vaccine news to people who are still being punished and are still fighting for their jobs employees across America

for a vaccine that doesn't stop the spread for a virus, and a pandemic that is allegedly over according to Joe Biden. So I wanted to ask, will, has any of this ever actually been about a pandemic in the first place? Well, I mean yeah, I mean I think they've answered their

question with none. We're approaching a midterm election. It's more advantageous to declare victory to declare the pandemic, because over two weeks ago, Joe Biden, against all Science, was wearing a mask outdoors two weeks ago while getting off his helicopter. At the same time, as you point out, there are policies in place that people are losing their jobs. Military teachers, they're right now losing the jobs because their choice, and not what do we do. I don't even know what

it means to be vaccinated. I don't I don't know what that means. So, I mean, literally, what does that mean? Um? So they they haven't gotten their updated booster, the latest issue of the booster. I don't know what. They're losing their jobs and he's declaring the pandemic is over. Um, that's man, what what a what a you know epidemic? He you launched on people's lives of depression and unemployment

and purposelessness in order to achieve political ends. And I pointed out that it's infuriating that no one's being punished, that there's no retribution, that the people who have suffered so greatly at the hands of people like Dr Fauci, When are they going to get what to do go to them? When when are they going to get answers? And and what are the people who made them suffer going to punish? To be punished? You know, the lockdown didn't work, The vaccines didn't work. None of the promises

these people made came to fruition. They were wrong about everything. Yet people's lives were destroyed, their businesses were destroyed, people killed themselves. We had suicides, overdoses, de layed care. We still don't know the full effect of all of these policies on people's lives and still suffering right like inflation is still out of control because in part because of broken supply chains and then because of exorbitant government spending.

So inflation is still ravaging people's pocket books. People are still losing their jobs. And over the long term, UM, we will see what the cost was of forcing people who did not need to to get vaccinated. We don't know the long term effects. We'll find out. We're starting to get data, but um, they'll never be an accounting to that. You know, if we ever seen it that you know, I think you and I talked about this

last week on the Will Came podcast. But you know, Fauci in the nineteen was nine says, oh, you know, vaccine for AIDS. I don't know, because we don't know what the long term effects are over five years, over ten years, over twenty years. He shows none of those same concerns over a COVID vaccine. So over five years and ten years and twenty years, we'll see that ongoing cost as well of these policies. So I love this

response from Will. I wanted to get his take on Governor to Santa's brilliant move by sending the fifty illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard, which really exploited these frauds for the frauds that they are, and these so called sanctuary cities not wanting to provide sanctuary. Listen a lesson in compassion. My forty four hours with my Venezuelan loves Toyamo. I I can't get enough of this story. I mean, this story is everything to me. I'm bye bye saying payamo.

I'm referencing this particular video and it's I love this video so much, leads, I hope you've seen it. But it's these ladies. It's all in the video. I think it's almost all ladies with these ladies. Um. I gathered around as the Venezuelan illegal immigrants load up on busses to be shipped off of Martha's vineyard, and these ladies are in their fashionable hats and their side ponytails and given double hand waves and and from the back, one

of ladies yells tomoh, you know which is Spanish. I love you, um, you know, as we invoke the National Guard to ship you off of our island. We love you, but you got to go. Let's take a quick commercial break back with bocane on the other side. So, I don't know if you guys saw this headline from CNN about this forty our visit that the illegal immigrants were allowed to have in Martha's vineyard. But this is the headline. It says, they enriched US migrants forty four our visit

leaves indelible mark on Martha's vineyard. Obviously, it's an epic headline, hilarious. CNN is trying to make it seem like, you know, these people were nice, home made diskin So I don't know if you guys saw this CNN headline, but it says this they enriched US migrants forty four hour visit

leaves indelible mark on Martha's vineyard. It starts off saying, after sharing hugs interior goodbyes with roughly fifty migrants who had arrived unexpectedly by playing on this affluent vacation island, the volunteers who sheltered them at an Episcopal church carried out tables and chairs, packed food onto trucks, and folded

portable cots. So it continues to go in painting all the people in Martha's vineyard with a great light, despite the fact that they literally said they're a sanctuary city and then shipped these people right off to the military base and got rid of them as fast as they could. So I thought this headline was epic and hilarious, so obviously how to ask them about it? It's just so amazing they can teach us all a lesson in compassion?

Can the rich denizens of Martha's Vineyard? Hey, and this this thing is so layered in deep and I think Tuckers did an amazing job last week laying this out. But in the end, we want to mock them, and we should mock them because they're shallow frauds, their virtues signaling frauds. However, they're not wrong to ship the Venezuelan illegal immigrants off of Martha's Vineyard at the end of their forty four hour stay. Um, they're not wrong to say this is our community and this is the vision

of our community. The problem is, why do they not extend that same right and privilege to America. Why do they not extend that same right and privileged to Brownsville and Del Rio and Del Passo. We don't have the services, we don't have the infrastructure Martha's Vineyard. Yeah, well neither does Del Rio. And just because Del Rio is more middle class or Del Rio is. Oh my gosh, are we revealing some racism here? Del Rio is n Latino itself. It's more acceptable for you to ship them back to Texas,

you know. I guess in in the days of Marie and try And it was let them eat cake in two in the days of Martha's Vineyards, just let them live in El Passo, I don't. I just let America have the same rights that you do in Martha's vineyard. Governor Rhonda Santas is obviously the best I have a florid in, so I'm biased, but he is America's governor, so I just asked him what he thought more broadly about this brilliant move from governor to Santas. Really well played.

He didn't just send them to a rich clave. He sent them to a rich enclave that's literally surrounded by water, so it has its own version of a border wall. It has an off season where of the homes remain vacant, so you don't really have a housing crisis east for the winter. These Venezuelans could have wintered on Martha's vineyard. Um, but okay, genius, and I'm a big fan as well of Martha's fingered, I mean Rhonda santis Um and never

been to Martha's feard um. But we have to solve this problem, okay, And so he's done a great job of spotlighting the issue of exhibiting the hypocrisies. But we also have to ask our own Republican politicians to do everything in their own power to solve this problem. And that leads us to a conversation which just happened on Fox and Friends this weekend. We had the Lieutenant Governor

Texas Stan Patrick on. And you know, there's a school of thought out there that these states and these governors can declare under constitutional authority on invasion, and if that's the case, they can remove illegal immigrants not across state lines to the likes of New York, Chicago, DC, or Martha's vineyard, but they can remove them back to their

place of origin, back to Mexico. Now, it would it would domino a whole host of problems, Lisa, a constitutional crisis, maybe even federal law enforcement and local law enforcement squaring off against one another. But if we're serious about solving this issue, and we know that the Biden administration, Democrats will not, they will not solve it. Thus, you know, handcuffing. What we can do federally, we're gonna have to ask

our state politicians to do everything under their power. So we've got people coming in from around the world because we have an open border, So why wouldn't they We're not even a sovereign nation anymore. We have no idea who we're letting in. We brought a bunch of Afghans into that we didn't thoroughly a vent. So how what risks to a terror threat are we as a country? And also if you saw the article and brape Art recently, apparently Maduro and Venezuela is letting out prisoners and having

them come to the United States. Well, we've already seen that for sure. We've already seen increased in criminal activity, and that's terrifying. I saw that article as well, where Maduro's emptying the prisons and saying head north, um, and we've seen Venezuelans can make their way into the country, as can everybody, as could you know, terrorists from Iran. You know, it's it's a wide open border. It's not hard to cross, and then it's not hard to stay.

I don't remember the latest numbers on how many known terrorists, people on the terror watch list have been encountered. I think it's fifty sixty somewhere in that range in the last fiscal year. And so we know this is a massive threat to our security um and clearly Madurou intends to make it a bigger threat. It's inevitable to your question, it is inevitable at some point that we will have a terrorist attack because of the the lack of enforcement

of our southern border. And now, of course there's criminal investigations that are being launched into what governor to Santists did. You have some clown in Texas, some local sheriff there launching a chronal investigation into what governor to Santist did. You've got people like Gavin news Some calling for the FEDS to investigate. But I guess it wasn't human trafficking when it wasn't kidnapping when Joe Biden was loading these people up on planes and dropping them off in the

middle of the night in Florida. I guess it wasn't kidnapping when Laurie Lightfoot put them on busses and sent them to the next neighborhood over. But it is when Governor run de Santis does it well, I mean, you're

exactly right. An if they go after de Santis, then you have to go over there after the Republican governor Massachusetts who used the National Guard right to ship them from Martha's Vineyard to Cape cod wouldn't that be human trafficking for kidnapping or as you pointed out Lori lightfoot moving a llegal immigrants from one neighbor into another. Or the Democratic mayor of El Passo who sent something like fifty buses to to New York and d C in Chicago.

This is what that reveals. Though it's also like they don't even focus on Greg Abbott. Actually they're focused only on Rhonda Santis, which just shows again it's all about politics taking him down because he's clearly the outside of Donald Trump, the front runner for the Republican nominee for president. I mean, if if if that weren't the motivation, they would focus more on Greg Abbott, but they're not because

it's about politics. You know, there's another thing, there's another part of this that nobody really wants to talk about. Um talk about I guess bring brave to have a conversation. No one's willing to talk about. But um, it's not just a threat to our national security, it's a threat. It's an existential threat to the United States of America.

In this way, you have unfettered flow of people from across the world who we extend all empathy and understanding to their personal plight, bring with them the culture of where they come from where they come. And there's a new book coming out. I just saw this about this. Um, I forget it. I'm forgetting the name of the book off the top of my head. It comes out in November.

But the premises that generations of of immigration reveal that people retain their culture of origin as opposed to assimilation and adoption of the culture of their new home. Okay, so America's a melting pot or whatever. We are by design, and the idea behind that is that we take the best of all cultures from immigrants, and then we are the sorting mechanism that makes the super strong culture by

taking the best of everybody. But that is from the from its inception, that has been a calculation that we've had immigration quotas, we have a legal process all of that because yes, we want to we have a limited set of resources, and we can only accommodate so many at one time. But also because and people, this is what people don't want to accept. There is an American culture. We have a culture, a work ethic um, a Judeo

Christian culture. We have all kinds of cultural traits embedded into what it means to be an American risk tolerance, entrepreneurialism, and that has led us to being the dominant culture on the planet. It's the one that puts man on the moon. And and that culture deserves to be not just respected, but to be retained. And when you have unfettered illegal immigration to megan encounters in this fiscal year, and that's again known encounters, what you do is you

fundamentally change the culture of America. And somehow that's that's come off as that comes off as xenophobic or jingoistic or forbid racist, you know, the ultimate cudgel to shut down this conversation. But every culture is allowed to have pride in its own, its own way of life. Everyone is the French, you know, the Irish, um, the Jamaican culture. Everyone is allowed to have that conversation except for America, Like, we don't have a culture. And if we do. It's

somehow supremacist or or wrong. We have a culture and we have to retain it. It happens to be the most successful culture on the planet. I wanted to play this clip from the interview. I did that. Hopefully you guys listened to with Maximo of theres about communism being in America. So I asked, well, I played the clip for will and then I wanted to hear what he had to think of. You know, how do you how

do you see this? Shouldn't we listen to these people like Maximo who escaped communist Cuba, when he's warning us that communism is here and it has infiltrated all our institutions. Shouldn't we listen? We have a dictatorship and it's right now our eyes and people don't realize what is happening. Wake up, America. I'm telling you this because I saw it with my eyes. I saw how people are getting murdered just simply because they didn't smile at the regime.

I saw how people get accused of being contract revolutionary. It's just because they said something against the revolution is happening here. These guys are telling you that we're the enemy because we are against freedom just because we don't agree with their policies, their stupid policies. By the way, Yeah, I think we should listen as well. You know, I've always had this, I've had this debate internally, Lisa, and I've had this conversation with friends, like how much of

what's happening in America is coordinated? So you say, I think we're being overtaken with communism, And then I say, Okay, how many of the people that are driving this cultural and administrative and governmental shift in our country um overtly by into Marxism have read the Communist Manifesto, are truly adherents to communism? And I don't know the answer to that question. I think that there's sort of an autopilot of American culture and American governance. The in governance that

autopilot is the administrative state. I think it scares me more than any particular politician, you know, it even scares me more than any particular political party. It's what remains when elections are won and lost. It's the FBI, the d o J, It's that level of bureaucracy in every organization, the CDC, the n i H. That really is the culture of American governance. They they drive us in one direction, and it's always in the direction of self empowerment, self justification,

self empowerment um. And then I think culturally, we have found ourselves popular culture in a place where people are more entitled, um, you know, more victimized, less responsible, and that lends itself to sort of this cultural communism. If you have one group of people that have self justification for power, and you have another group of people who want to aggregate their own responsibility, you have a perfect cocktail for a society that resembles communism, whether or not

it's there overtly or not. And so I think you end up in the same place. To answer my internal debate like is it a coordinated campaign? And by the way, I'm not saying it's not a coordinated campaign, because when I see government in big tech collude to censor, where I see the role of the communist Chinese Party at every levels of American society, I think there are definitely elements of coordination, but I'm not sure there's one particular

ideology or one particular man behind the curtain. I'm more concerned that our entire machine is on autopilot in this direction that resembles communism. Robert Colly with the Trafalgar Group has been bringing attention to this new group of voters called submerged voters, of people who aren't putting stickers in their cars, signs of their yards, posting their opinions online, or even answering polls, and that this election is going to be a hard one to capture because of all this.

So how does Will think the mid term elections are going to go down? I think Republicans are still gonna win. I think they're gonna win strongly in November, despite the fact that polls show that the whole thing is tightening up. And I guess most people attribute that tightening up to the Dobbs decision and to the focus on Donald Trump as opposed to inflation and rising crime and illegal immigration. But I still think despite all that, Republicans are gonna

win and win big in November. Well, people tell the truth. Are people afraid? Have they been Has has the conversation been painted as you're either, you know, in this mainstream school of thought with lends itself to democratic politics, or you're a semi fascist and so have they accepted that's the paradigm. They have to be quiet, um, so they're

not painted as a semi fascist. Maybe I think people have I think people there's still a dominant that there's still a dominant narrative that where we started this conversation. It allows the Scott Pelly's of the world to pretend that Joe Biden is in that dominant you know, channel of the river. Um, what's Here's what I would ask you, what's extreme about current Republicanism That what's extreme about Trump is? Um,

what's extreme about the new Right? I think that's an interesting question because I can't think of a single thing, you know, Joe Biden's gonna say they're semi fascist or threats to democracy. I would like to know, because then if I look at what the Republican Party has done under the influence of Donald Trump, I think it's moderated, like moderated greatly. It's positioned back towards the center on free trade, less libertarian, you know, far far you know,

spectrum thought on unfettered free trade. Rising tide lifts all boats now more, a greater concern for populism in the middle class and the jobs of the middle class. Obviously, when it comes to China, understanding that that's not a free trade game. So moving moving. I think on gay marriage, for example, I don't know where it stands today, but over the last ten years certainly moderated. Donald Trump was

pretty moderate on that. So I just keep like, immigration, well, I don't know, that wasn't an extreme position to say, well we ought to have borders and enforce those borders. That didn't used to be extreme. I'm just trying to figure out what's actually extreme that's being described as extreme.

If you want to say election denial, if that's what the answer ends up being, well, when you're fed, you know, five years worth of fake stories, you get to the into the book and you're like, should I believe the last chapter two? You know, I just don't know. I don't know what is extreme. Um, it seems like it's actually more independent, moderate than it's ever been before. Will came to Fox and Friends. He worked at ESPN, and he was probably, you know, one of the low conservative

voices at the network. What was that like? Well, I loved it, actually, Um, I mean was it all great? But I know, you know, so I remember when Fox News was founded, there was this quote is by George will who I don't think likes Fox News now. But George will Um said Roger Ails found a wonderful niche when he founded Fox News half of America, which is a wonderful nite right. I was sitting there at ESPN, going,

so let me get this straight. You guys are all adopting these radical positions and opinions and in saying them as though the country agrees with you on this, and you're just gonna let me have all the rest of it, Like by myself, I get to say say things and rational things and have this lane by myself. I was like, this is amazing. Um. But I mean, look at least I like debating people who disagree with me. I like hearing their points of view. I like having a relationships

that are not strictly defined by politics. I don't. I don't. I don't require that all of my personal relationships share my political opinions. And sports was a great a great vehicle from which people could come together and have a relationship. So, in other words, you know, whoever it may be, you know Marcus Spears he played for the Cowboys for a while and he was a commentary to ESPN I mean, it's very clear he disagrees with me on almost everything.

But at the time I was there, that didn't stop us from then transitioning into like guy talk and sports talk and have a great time and have a great relation. I think life should be like that. I think politics should only be part of who you are. UM and I got to have those conversations on a consistent basis. Now, I will tell you there are I'm sure you know this, the left, the the people that have the opinions of those on the left don't agree with what I just said.

They do not think that I can have my opinions and remain a good person, right, And therefore you can't socialize with Will. You can't be around Will. And there was some of that at ESPN, like I would walk the hallways and I and I don't want to be unfair. I made some guesses at the time about who might harbor those thoughts, but I certainly felt it to some degree, like there was some sentiment there of like there's that guy,

you know. But for the people that I would confin, you know, interact with face to face, I loved it. I love the opportunity on first taken debate Stephen A. Smith and whatever else. Um. Yeah, for the most part, I loved it quick break back with Wilcane. So I've been finding myself having a hard time with big around Democrats, a big accepting of Democrats. I've never used to be

like this. This really only happened recently, in part because I just don't know how anyone can listen to Joe Biden label seventy million people patriotic Americans as enemies of the state. I mean, if you're a Democrat and you have family members or friends who are Trump supporters, how how can you still support this guy? How can you sit by and sit back and think that what's going on in the country is okay. So I wanted to get Will's take about you know, what do you what

do you think of that? Are you know, are you having trouble with this or how do you reconcile it? Or how do you you know, how do you kind of take a break from all this? You know, I lived in New York for fifteen years. I'm back in Texas, where I was born and raised, and I love so many of my New York friends. I think almost not all of them, but the vast majority of them disagreed with me. Um. One of the things that you have to like it's it's tough because I do think there

is a sentiment within liberalism of personal judgment. And so you sit there and you go, well, how you're always assuming the worst of me? How can we be friends? You know what I mean? Like I kind of feel like, are you questioning whatever your current thing is? Phobic of something? You know, racist, homophobic, transphobic or whatever. It's like there's this undercurrent sometimes of like you know, you're not saying it out loud, but I feel like you're privately judging.

And that's not that sucks, Like always be around to feel like you know someone's not trusting who you are. They just happen to disagree with you. I'm not saying my friends all did that, but I do think that's a common thing and in that type of even to live in that type of place. And then you add on top of it this whole thing about your own personal health choices, right, and it becomes pretty untenable. But I do want to try my best. I want to always have friends. I just I don't want that to

be my primary sorting mechanism for my friendships. I just I don't want that to be if if I don't know, I don't want politics. It's very important to me, like especially culturally, like who are we? Who are Americans? What's it mean to be a man? I'm raising two sons. All of these things very important to me. I don't want that to become personally for me. Well you have to vote this way or if you vote that way, then I can't explore those other aspects of you in

what it means to be friends and share values. So it's telling well this story about how when I was in New York, I went to this restaurant outside and I wasn't wearing a mask because I'm not a crazy person and masks don't work, and they certainly don't work outside, nor is COVID really spread outside. So I walked up to this restaurant not wearing a mask. The hostess said you have to wear your mask, and I was like, well,

these people eating outside aren't wearing masks. And she was like, well there was either eating, to which I responded, you know, just so we're clear, you know that COVID like doesn't differentiate between oh you're eating you're a cool but you're standing I'm gonna get you. And I finally like, war I just because she was asking me, like please, it's my job, so I didn't want to, you know, get her in trouble or whatever. So I finally put off.

But I was like, but just so we're clear, we know that this is all b s. And I was also telling a story about another dude in my building who always yells at everyone who doesn't wear a mask, which is most people that live here because we live in Florida, and again, we're not crazy, we're free. And this guy is always yelling at everyone. So I just turned him one day and I said, you know what, do you believe in the efficacy of masks? And he goes, oh, of course I do. That's why I wear one, to

which I responded, then you should be fine. Leave us alone, little victory. Um. You know, I will say, we're see, we're It'll be interesting now that Joe Biden said the pandemic is over, but we're clearly like this is the end of the zombie movie and there's not many zombies left on the street, like they're people are waking up, or at least they're going back to some extent to

their normal life. But because I travel so much at the airports or on the airplane or on the streets of New York, there are still people right walking around outside with with masks on. And one, the one that always blows my mind is with like cloth masks on. I'm like, what happened to you? Like that? You didn't like every step of the way, you didn't get the memos right, so you're liking, You're like, in April, what

are you doing with that cloth mask on? But what I'm really shocked by is sometimes it kind of feels often they're young, they're healthy, Like I've seen some, for example, some dudes that clearly work out and you're in good shape, and you're in your thirties maybe early thirties, and I'm like, why are you wearing that mask? Like what now? And sometimes I think to myself, maybe to have a really

serious health condition I'm not aware of. But more likely than not, where they are unhealthy at this point is in their minds. And so you're looking at the back to what we're some about earlier, like the cost of all of this nonsense. You're look at a lot of people who have really poisoned and lost their minds. So my mom always tells me that you don't always have to say everything you think, yet I still do it.

But I was telling Will about that, and then I just also asked him, you know, he's a father, what's your favorite thing about being a dad? Okay, I'm gonna answer that question, but I think that uh So, I'm a big believer that your greatest strength is your greatest weakness, right, So you just said that for yourself and your career, Like you you don't have to say every thought that comes to your mind, right, So it's it's your strength, it's also your weakness, right, So, like, I think every

part of our personalities can be explained that way. So probably the same with fatherhood for me. I don't know.

I just I love the process of helping these two young boys become men, Like I just love it, like and that's a little selfish because it's like, well, you're your favorite part of father That is like joy sticking them by teaching them lessons, giving them sermons, which I do way too much, Lisa, way too much, and I focus way too much on sports, not because I think they're gonna be professional athletes or Division one athletes or

collegiate athletes, but because it's the perfect metaphor and vehicle to help them travel the path of what it is to be a man. And I just love it. This this one of my sons, and he had a great weekend. You know, I think it's cool. I'm a little hesitant to share family stuff. I don't know, I don't I don't know. I don't know what the right amount is. But one of my sons had had a great weekend. He asked a girl to homecoming and he went to

her house. He went to her house and you know, and he had to It's almost that now they do at least like a marriage proposal. It's insane, at least in Texas. You know, it's insane. Um. And he had a great sports weekend where just kind of like he woke up in so many ways and he saw the field and he played amazing. And um, I don't care if he's the best player on the field. I don't care in the end if you start, so I don't

care what team he's on. But to see him like become what I know he can become is just my favorite part of fatherhood and I love being with them on that process, like going to I'm gonna go to practice tonight. That's what I'm gonna do. Because I'm in New York every weekend. I don't get to see games, but I'll go to practice and we'll talk about it on the way home and then, you know, I don't know,

it's just it's my favorite thing. I don't know, it's in and it's better than anything, to be honest, just better than professional sports. Not just the best thing about father for me, it's the best thing about life right now, which you know, I should probably put some other priorities above that. It's so fulfilling and it's just so important. It's fulfilling on an individual level and so important on a societal level. I don't know, I mean I need to work on I mean, I'll be open with you.

You know, I could be more attemptive than and um devoted, not devote, I'm devoted, but doting, um husband. I could definitely be better at that. You know, I could definitely work on my relationship with God, which is a path that I mean, I've openly talked about this, like you know, I would never pretend to be a person who has the ability to sermonize to other people because I'm I'm working on it myself, right, but there are things that I should give more focus to. But the parenting thing,

like and not again, not that I'm doing it. I'm not batting a thousand on this thing well below, but I certainly love every opportunity at the at the plate of parenting. And of course, to Will's point, you know, we can all work on things that we could do better. I was joking around with him that, you know, I could do like an hour long confessional podcast about the things I need to work on in my life and how to be a better person and all of that. But uh, and then we said goodbye, as one does

when they end of podcasts. Thank you, Lisa. That's that's I'm so blumed that you guys didn't get it here. The live discussion and the back and forth between us, it was so much fun. He's such a great guy. But you know, life happens, things happen, and technology it can suck sometimes, so it is what it is. But I want to thank you guys for listening, and we'll have it back on in a couple of months from now, and hopefully no technical glitches then, so you can kind

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