Episode 43: The Laptop From Hell with Miranda Devine

back to December two thousand nineteen. So, if you remember at the time, right before the election, big tech prevented people from sharing The New York Post reporting sharing this information about Hunter Biden's emails right before an election his dad was running for president. The media called it disinformation, Russian disinformation. Former Intel officers and officials also tried to downplay. They said it was Russian disinformation. So what was on it?

What were they trying to hide? What were they trying to cover up. I'm discussing all of this today with the woman who literally wrote the book on it, Miranda Divine. She's a writer for The New York Post, She's a Fox News contributor, and she is the author of the book Laptop from Hell, Hunter Biden, Big Tech, and the dirty secrets the President tried to hide. That's what we're talking about this week. Stay tuned. I'm really excited about

this episode. Miranda Divine New York Post. Anytime I see her on Fox News, always stop to listen to what she has to say. She's so smart, and she wrote this new book, The Laptop from Hell, about Hunter Biden's emails which everyone ignored, and now she wrote the book on it. Miranda, thanks so much for joining the show. I'm really excited about this conversation. It's such a pleasure, Lisa, thanks for having me on. You know, so, Miranda, let's

start at the beginning. So so, Hunter Biden, he draw opped off his laptop at a Delaware computer store and we repaired. I think it was back in April two thousand nineteen. He never went to go pick at back up. What happened from there? Well, the laptop repair shop owner, a guy called John Paul mac Isaac, who really is

a hero of an American hero. Um. He sat on it for a while, but then he started watching the sort of impeachment proceedings or the beginnings of them, and recognized as some of the names on the laptops, such as Barrhythma, that corrupt energy company that was paying Hunter Biden Etty three thousand dollars a month, and he thought, well,

look what's on this laptop maybe actually quite explosive. It was now his property because after Hunter had failed to pick it up and pay his bill after three months. That's what the law said. So he called the FBI, and eventually the FBI in December of nineteen came to

pick it up and then he heard nothing more. Um, he had the contents of the laptop on his computer, surdit in his shop, and as the impeachment proceedings wore on, he thought, I really need to tell somebody in the Republican Party that there's information that's relevant to what is happening to President Trump on this laptop belonging to Hunter Biden. So he started contacting various Republicans like Jim Jordan or various congressmen that he thought would be useful, and none

of them returned his emails. So he one night saw Rudy Juliani, who was then President Trump's lawyer. He saw him on Fox News, and I'll try him. So he found an email, sent an email explaining what he had, and Rudy Juliani's lawyer, Bob cost Gello, picked up the email and unlike everybody else, recognized that this was an authentic piece of information that could help. So he got the hard drive, which was a copy of the laptop Federate FedEx to his home in New York, and the

rest of history. He and Rudy went through it forensically, both of them, you know, former prosecutors understand how to find crimes, how to sift through information forensically. Um, and what they saw really blew their minds. They realized that this was a big story, and they spent several weeks trying to authenticate the information, verifying that this was legitimate and uh. And then late one night, UM, I think that almost given up this sort of idea of getting

it out into the public. It was three weeks before the before the election, and they had tried various ways of getting it out into the media, and then one night, I think there's a last teach effort. Bob Costello just sent me a text message with a whole lot of photos and information from the laptop. And you know, I've spent quite a few hours talking to human Rudy alerted

my news paper and the rest of history. And so I know the the FBI opened an investigation and a Hunter Biden uh in two thousand nineteen on suspicion of money uttering right, yes, um, yes, money laundering. But there are a couple of different investigations. Yes, go through the investigations if you don't mind, And then were any of those connected to what was found on the lab type do? Now? Yeah,

I don't know if any of them are connected. Um, you know, all we know is that there are a number of investigations into Hunter Biden and his uncle Jim Biden, who is Joe Biden's younger brother, who was involved in

this influenced pedaling scheme and he Um. Basically, uh, there is money laundering allegations, there's tax evasion, and there's also a question over um, you know, foreign dealings, and potentially I think that would be whether or not there was foreign agent registration violations SARAH violations which caught up quite a few people in the Trump um or so they're not they're serious allegations, but you know, we knew nothing

about that before the election. It was only after the election that Hunter Biden put out a statement on his father's president elect letterhead saying that the you know, he was under investigation for tax issues. So since Aden, we found out for a bit more than that. But who knows where that will go. Certainly the FBI has the laptop and there is a lot of evidence that if they care to look at it, and would be very useful to any investigation. It sounded like you said Trump orbit.

Did you mean Trump orbit or Biden orbit? The Trump orbit? Because there were various people who, like I think Paul Manafort was one of them, who were in trouble and charged with these foreign agent registration violations. Not registering as a foreign agent if you are helping someone, you know, someone overseas a finer to be the government what. Yeah, and there's what, But there's also like such an unequal application of it. It seems to only come into play

when there's politics involved. But you know, it's like so many people are guilty of it, but you know that goes under the radar. So the New York Post first ran the story. I believe it was October obviously, right before the election. I mean, there was this wide scale effort to discredit the post work. Did that surprise you that there was such an effort to to discredit that initial story. What surprised us was that big dick rating.

We expected that the New York Times, from the Washington Post, and although those media that were you know, carrying water for Joe Biden, that were virulently anti Donald Trump and and wants him to lose the election, we weren't surprised that would ignore and kind of sneer it out reporting. But what was really shocking was when Facebook and Twitter wad in and decided to enter our story. Twitter lockdown account New York Posts account for two weeks until a

few days before the election. You know, this is the oldest newspaper in America. It is the fourth largest by audience. So this was a serious violation, I guess of free press to to have these big tech oligopolies decide that, um, you know, within a couple of hours of the newspaper going of good story going live online, deciding that it was somehow suspect, Facebook said all, we're going to stop spreading it because of we're going to do a fact check,

which they have never done. Because I know that they have not contacted the other recipients of the emails that we reported on, which is the first thing that you would do if you were fact checking. Um and and Twitter accused us of violating their hacking material hills policy. There was nothing hacked about the laptop, and they admitted that. Jack Dorsey admitted he was called before the Senate after the election and he said, oh, it was a mistake to shut down the New York Post and we shouldn't

have done it. And no, they didn't violate our hacked

materials policy because there were nothing hacked about it. But then at the sort of that, the follow up to that, which was really the killer blow to the story getting out into one half of America, was when John Brennan, the former CIA director, and fifty other former intelligence or former defense high officials that came up with this really scoleless letter that they gave to Politico which claimed that the laptop was Russian disinformation in their expert opinion, having

not looked at the laptop. They admit that in a paragraph deep in the letter they haven't seen the laptop. They really can't prove the evidence, but they just decided

that it was Russian disinformation. And had all the hallmarks of that anyway, and um, you know, that was really a propaganda intervention, and it was very useful to Joe Biden because the one thing, it was an excuse for the rest of the media not to cover the story, and for another, when Joe Biden went in a couple of days later to a debate against Donald Trump, and of course President Trump decided to use the information in our stories too against Biden, and he said, they're saying

you're a corrupt politician, Joe, what do you say about that? And Joe Biden then used the letter and he said, it's garbage what you're saying. Um, this, We've had the intelligence community, who's very eminent, people have had declared that this is Russian disinformation and you're the one who's corrupt.

So it was brilliant. I mean, it worked for him so well in that debate because that was the last that was spoken about the really damaging information that we had published, which was an email from the laptop, which proved well, it didn't prove, but it indicated at that point, now we have proof, but it indicated that Joe Biden had met with Hunter Biden's Ukrainian business partner his benefactor in Washington, d C. When he was vice president, and

this at least required an explanation from Joe Biden about you know, why he met with this person? Did he meet with this person? Um? And and you know, did he lie to the American people before the election when he said he knew nothing about his son Hunter's overseas business dealings. We know that that's not true now well, and now Hunter Biden's attorney so that the meeting did

not happen. Do we know if I mean, you know, I guess it's sort of you know, irrelevant if he was going to meet with them anyways, But do we know if the meeting had happened or or what ended up resulting with that? Yes, we do know the meeting happened. And even though Joe Biden's campaign said it did not, um,

it did. And we have evidence from the laptop of emails from Hunter Biden to business partners UM explaining you know, the guest bliss for this dinner that he organized at Kafe Milano in Georgetown specifically to introduce his father to his business associates from Russia, from Kazakhstan and from Ukraine. UH and Um the guests. Lift Um promises to people in emails to guess that his father would be there, UM and then follow up thank you's from people who

were there, UM saying thank you to Hunter. And one of those emails, as I said, was was the one we found. We didn't know all the rest of it when we published that story before the election, but all everything that we've found since just buttresses um and affirmed

that's original story. UM. And interestingly, although the White House never responded to any inquiries from me Um, the Washington Post decided to I published the story about the Cafe Milano dinner in the New Post in the summer and I think June or July, and and then the Washington Post decided to be ignored the story, that they would fact check my story. So they went to the White House and asked, you know, did Joe Barten go to

this dinner? And they admitted, yes, he did. He did go to this dinner, but he only went very briefly,

just popped in and it was not for any nefarious purposes. Sure, right, And that's that's that's very believable coming from someone who's a pathological liar such as Joe By right, you know, so what I find interesting is okay, So the timing of that email regarding Bresma was also interesting because this was less than a year before Joe Biden had the prosecutor fired who was actually invested the Ukrainian prosecutor fired, who was investigating Breeze Breza holdings, which of course Hunter

Biden was on the board for Biden. UH put pressure on Ukraine threatening to withhold us AID unless they fired this guy. You know, what do we know, like, do we know how connected that firing or do we is there proof of correlation between Joe Biden making foreign policy decisions to either protect Hunter Biden or in his benefit, Well not directly, but what we do have is some

very explasive emails from Um hunters Um. The reason the handler A G. Called begin poofy Um acquiring for the eighty three thousand dollars a month that Hunter was getting UM certain things to be done, such as important people say over to Ukraine UM to sing the praises of Barisma UM and you know, basically UM to to get Hunter and his partner Devon Archer Um to pull their strings, used their contacts to UM. You know, polish the reputation of Barisma and its owner, a guy called Nikolaichevski, who

was under investigation. Now, Um, just as Hunter and Devon Archer joined the Barisma board with no you know, no qualifications for it. Um, the owner of Barisma was under serious investigation. I mean the British UM had had launched investigation in conjunction with the FBI. This was an inter Pole international investigation. UM. Lotchevsky's bank accounts with millions of dollars in them, had been frozen in London. He was in trouble and the Ukrainian anti corruption authorities also were

hard him. So UM that was you know why he hired the son of the vice president to join his board, because he was trying to get the authorities off his back. And so these explicit emails map out what's expected, what's required. Um. We don't know whether Hunter did, uh you know all

of that. We do know that that the most important thing that was done for Barisma was that Joe Biden pushed President Poroshenko to fire Victor Shokin, who was the chief prosecutor and he was the president was reluctant to do that. Um. There are there are phone calls recorded between him and Joe Biden, in which he resists that

he says, well, there is no corruption. Um, you know, allegations around my prosecutor, and Joe Biden has gone out and he's told the world that that this prosecutor was corrupt and that the reason he had to be fired was because he was not prosecuting corruption in Ukraine, which was the topic of Joe Biden's speeches every time he went to Kiev, which was often he would go and he would make some airy speech talking about how corruption

is a cancer to the soul of a democracy. And ironically, at the very time that he was pushing for this prosecutor to be fired, the prosecutor had an active investigation into Barisma and in fact, a few days beforehand had seized the property, maybe a few weeks beforehand, had seized the property of the Barisma owner in Kiev. He had seized plots of land, a couple of mansions, and his roles Roth Silver Phantom car. So um, he was actively

going after Barisma. And also he has since told Ukrainian media hasn't got much coverage here, but he said that he was about to issue subpoenas for Hunter Biden and his partner, Devon Archer. So, um, I don't understand why media like the New York Times and The Washington Closed reported that there was no investigation at the time going into Parisma, which is what Joe Biden was telling everybody. They just reported that without doing any of their own investigations,

which it's not hard to find. I mean, there were contemporaneous media reports in Ukraine and elsewhere in Europe saying reporting on the this raid into Jevsky's properties, the seizure of his assets, that was a big story. So um, I don't understand, you know, and then then there are documents which show that that happened as well. But I

just don't understand why the media just swallowed Joe Biden's line. Um, you know, once you know that that's certainly circumstantial evidence that Joe Biden was demanding the firing of the prosecutor who was investigating his son's boss. Basically, well, it also underscores how un serious the media is because all of this was blatantly staring at them in the face, including

trying believing Joe Biden or not believing him. They probably knew he was lying, but at least pushing and you know, pushing and peddling this propaganda lies from the Bidens, because we when he said he didn't have any involvement with

his son's business dealings. I mean there's literally photos of him when he took his son on a trip back when he was vice president to China shaking the hand of one of the business partners, and then lo and behold, a few days later, Hutter Biden gets this license approved in China that he had been trying to get approved for for one of his deals. So it's like there's been evidence all along that Joe Biden did have involvement and his son didn't know about his son's overseas business dealings.

Yet the media continued to pedal this lie that was just so blatantly a lie, it's incredible. I mean, there were media on that trip with Joe Biden when he took Hunter on air force to to Beijing, when he went to meet President's using ping in the high ranking CCP officials. I mean, they're media there, um, and it just seemed that, um, you know, I guess you know, this wilful naivety or gullibility from the media when it

came to Democrats. Um. You know, you see it with the swallowing of the steel dock here, which on its face was ridiculous. It was just like some lurid, you know, spy novel badly written. UM. But but they're quite happy to accept information that they are provided and not do any normal apply any of the normal skepticism that journalism teaches you about everything that you're given. Um, and uh,

not not do any due diligence UM. And particularly that's egregious when you're not doing your due diligence on behalf of the American people on one of the two candidates the president. Um. They allowed Joe Biden to just get away Scott free um, pretending to be somebody that he wasn't. And I think that, you know, I think part of the disillusionment of Biden voters over the last year since he's been president has has been driven by the fact

that he's not the person they thought he was. The blunders, the sort of callousness about Afghanistan. Um. Just the way he comports himself is not does not accord with the image that was projected of who he was. And that is that is the media's fault, because there's no excuse. Pandemic is not an excuse. All this information was out there, we had published the tip of the iceberg. Um it was wrong of the media to cover up for him and there to blame for the predicament that America is

in today. Well, no, I mean I I think Joe Biden is actually a terrible human being, is a pathological liar, and him and his entire family are corrupt, and he uses the losses that he has suffered, which of course we all have empathy for as a shield um and protection as you know, against being a terrible human being, which is what he is. And I think the big question for me is, you know, did he profit off of his son? And it's not just his son, it's

his entire you know, family's business dealings. Did he profit off of it? Because one of the other big bombshells we all know and you know better than all, is that deal with China business arrangement with the Chinese company and members of the Biden family, including an equity split that was for Hunter and then ten percent for the big guy. We know Joe Biden was the big guy. Did he ever receive that cut? And are there other business deals that we know Joe Biden was at least

supposed to profit off of or might have profited off of. Well, what we do know is there is evidence on the laptop of um uh you know, Hunted Biden and Joe Biden having their finances mingled so shaped by accounts shared

debit cards. Also, um, there's some evidence that Hunter was paying bills for his father, just sort of regular household bills like maintenance and upkeep on Joe's Delaware mansion, things like painting and rebuilding a retaining wall, fixing some shutters, um, you know, replacing the air conditioning on a cottage on the property, you know, a few thousand here, a few thousand there. Um. And then also there's an a T n T bill that I found in monthly one that

was Joe Biden's that Hunter was paying. And then there's also complaints from the Hunter to various family members, um, you know, like his daughter, his aunt, that he was having to fund the rest of the family. You know, he had to go up and do these over overpaid inflated salary um. Grayson favored jobs that his father got him um from his donors and Delaware uh, and he had to to then put the bills for the rest

of the family. And um, there's one text message in which he gripes to his daughter that, UM, you know you're lucky that because unlike me, you don't have to give half your salary to pop, Pop being Joe Biden. And so that's sort of circumstantial, but there is some concrete evidence. And then there is because the laptops not enough you need. Um. I think of it as a

jigsaw puzzle. And another part of the jigsaw puzzle comes from Tony Bobolinsky, who was Hunter's former business partner, a patriot, an American hero, successful businessman in his own right, a former naval veteran UM and he um he came out before the election at great personal risk to say he knew that Joe Biden was the big guy, that Joe Biden had met him twice to vet him to be CEO of this joint venture with China, that Joe Biden

was heavily involved orchestrating the patriarch of this Biden influenced peddling operation. And um, he is material that I have the contents of his phone, the WhatsApp messages, the documents, the emails, the text messages. They over lap with what's on the laptop, but they also buttress and augmented. And then there's another part of the jigsaw puzzle which gives you some more financial insight, and that comes from UM.

Chuck Grasley and Ron Johnson sent it inquiry into Hunter, Biden and Barisma corruption and that was a really good and thorough UM investigation. And they again were produced by the Democrats and UM, you know as as agents of the Kremlin, peddling Russian infant in this information, which seems to be the sort of get out of jail free card for the Democrats anytime something you know untoward comes

to light. But what the Johnson Grassley investigation UM found was these Treasury Department documents which suspicious activity reports that banks in America are required to file with the Treasury Department UM whenever there's money that's suspect from overseas coming into American bank account so whether it's from a sanctioned country like Russia or sanctioned individuals like these corrupt oligarchs

or China. UM. And you know we saw from that, let's say there was three point five million dollars came from Russian oligarch Elena Battina came into a bank account associated with Devon Archer, Hunter Biden's partner UM, and that's buttressed by emails and conversations on the laptop where Hunter

Biden met Elena Battery. Just a few weeks I think three or four weeks after that money came into the bank account, he went and met her at Lake Como, at this beautiful, luxurious hotel that's a haven for you know, corrupt dollargarch's UM. And there's other evidence that he and Devon Archer were trying to find deals for her property deals in Chelsea and so on. UM. And then there's another tranche of money that it comes up on these

Treasury Department documents. UM. Just as one example of six million dollars that came in from that company CFC that you mentioned that the Bidens were doing a joint venture with China in UM and that six million dollars that came into the bank account of another business partner of the Hunter Biden's UM in America. So UM. You know Hunter. It's funny because I look at Hunter's life in the nine years of this laptop, and he was a raging crack addict through a lot of it in and out

of rehab. Have his personal life was a disaster. UM. He would spend his time fighting with his ex wife, his his new lover, which was his sister in law, his late brother's wife, UM widow, and UM he would and he'd have prostitutes his hold up for weeks on

end at the Chateau Marman or other hotels. UM. He liked liked to go to California for his benders, UM and he'd have He even admitted in his own memoir UM that he called it an ant trail of drug dealers and prostitutes that would just swarm through his hotel room and steal everything inside, including his phones, his wallet. UM you know the cows they'd ordered dom Perignon on room service. And he spent tens of thousands of dollars

every time he went on one of the benders. And so we know we've seen tens of millions of dollars meant his bank account um and uh you know his bank accounts or bank accounts associated with him with his business partners. And we also have documents on the laptop bank accounts. He photographed, his statements UM and invoices for

payments from Parisma and so on. And we also know that with Parisma, he's within weeks of Joe Biden the ending his term as Vice president UM Hunter, Biden's payment from Barisma, which was eighty three thousand dollars a month, was cut in half. So it's obvious why he was being paid. But again, you know, there's there's a lot of smoke. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence UM, and

some that's really quite compelling. But I think you need Tony Bobolinsky's own UM testimony because he was right there in the middle of it. UM is really compelling, and he has handed over his material to the FBI. He went and spoke to the FBI. He also gave kristimony to the grad Ley Johnson inquiry. So there's ample evidence there for UM. You know, the authorities to do something, or at least the Republicans if they re take the House and the Senate to UM launch their own inquiries.

Quick commercial break more with Miranda Divine on the laptop from Hell. I mean, Miranda, what it sounds like to me is just your everyday, wholesome American family. I mean, they're just entirely corrupted. It's like, it's it's a mind blowing that this doesn't get more attention, and the media just seems to look the other way, particularly with what we went through with all of the lies trying to tie the Trumps to Russia when everything they accused the

Trumps of the Bidens are guilty of. So it's just your classic case of projection. Also, why would the Russians need disinformation when there is an abundance of material for

them to use it against Hunter? Like I saw a video I think the Daily mor reported on it that you know, Hunter Biden was with the prostitute talking about how he went out with a bunch of Russian drug dealers in Vegas and on a bender and they stole another one of his laptops, which is the reportedly the third laptop that has gone missing of his So it's like, I mean, what kind of information do you think the Russians, the Chinese, you know, really anyone else has on the Bidens,

just based off of these laptops that have gone missing alone? Well did and um, you know I actually said three laptops and we know one of them he left behind his the coiacrists house in New Report, Massachusetts, and he's the conatists to keep that tried to get to come and kick it up, and he just made it deed, saying passion and so that he put that in a UM in a in a safe and and eventually the d A came and raided a nearby pharmacy and he

was caught up in that raid. Even though he was never charged with anything um and never did anything wrong, but they the d A actually took possession of that laptop and I understand that that was given back to Hunter UM. And then the laptop you mentioned about in Vegas.

I mean he admits this. He wakes up face down in this um lappool in this luxury penthouse suite in this hotel in Vegas, and um, you know, he obviously the drug dealers they thought he was dead drowned, and he sort of comes to and and looks around and sees, oh, they're just stealing everything, and they took one of his laptops.

So UM, and he was worried about that because he's telling the prostitute in this video that, uh, well you know, you don't understand this is this is really quite concerning because my father is running for president, and they could use this laptop as blackmail. And they know that I have gazillions of dollars. So UM, there's that. And and you know, we also know that Hunter was traveling a lot overseas while he had a crack and a pawn and a prostitute addiction. Really for the amount of time

he did it, he high and escorts. UM. He he was very vulnerable, and he would travel in to Moscow and into Beijing and into Shanghai, and he was in the real inner sanctum of UM Vladimir Putin's allies, these corrupt dollargarchs in Russia. He you know, he one day he had a lunch at the State Department that his father organized, UM and his vice president with Hu jing

Ping from China. He got on a plane and flew to Moscow and had breakfast at the home of one of Vladimir Putin's closest oligarchs UM and then went on and had several other meetings UM. And then it was the same in China. He was being dutchessed by the very high, high up princelings of these elite families that UM, you know, have enormous amounts of money and control everything

in China and part of the CCP. And he would be taken to a private club in Shanghai and applied with alcohol and drugs and beautiful women, according to various reports. And um, you know that puts him at a lot of risk. This is a vice president's sun. And we know that the Secret Service was following him for a lot of his travels, but he ushered them away, called them off, that he didn't want to travel with them

anymore at one stage. And um, and you know he was in very dangerous positions without Secret Service protection for any period. Uh, it's amazing that he survived because you know, he almost drowned in Vegas, But what what on earth was going on in Moscow and in China? Very dangerous people. He was surrounding himself with, putting himself at grave risk, and yet he always it was as if he had a guardian angel looking over him. He always seemed to

come out unscathed. Whereas his various business partners were jailed, murdered, went missing, but Hunter seemed to be okay. And I can only surmise there's no evidence of it, but I can only surmise that American intelligence at services were keeping

an eye out for him. They must have been aware of what Hunter Biden was doing, what the son of the Vice President was doing, even if he didn't have the Secret Service with him, UM, and you know, they must have been able to get him out of scrapes, get him out of dangerous situations, warned him off certain people who were really dangerous, because there is some evidence of that he is deep into one deal with this one prince ling and then suddenly that person disappeared and

someone else replaced him, and eventually that original princeling was arrested and met a sticky end. So someone was looking after Hunter. And I think it's really reprehensible if the intelligence services did know what he was up to, that they allowed the vice president's son to be in such a position where he was compromising the Vice president, UM,

at the very least, in compromising America's national security. And you know, when you understand that one of these companies that the Biden family was doing a joint venture with CFC, that Joe Biden met with Tony bock Lynsky to vet him as the CEO of the joint venture, when you understand that CFC is the capitalist arm of President Gee's Belt and Road initiative, which is their imperialist push to

basically colonize the world. Um. When you understand that, you can see just how damaging it is to America's national interest that the Biden family was involved with with the Chinese Communist Party in Belton Road. That's the antithesis of

America's national interest. But it really makes you wonder now when Joe Biden is so soft on President G doesn't even ask in their four meetings about you know, the Wuhan Lab and can we have access to it to find out the origins of COVID nineteen doesn't even ask that question. Um, And when when President g is so openly disrespectful of the President of the United States that after their last meeting he sent warplanes to Buzz Taiwan, makes you wonder why Joe Biden is in such a

weak position. And is it because of that relationship he and his family had with presidencies administrations, with the CCP, with these business ventures that enriched them. Is Joe Biden compromised? Well, I look, the circumstantial evidence is that yes. I mean, how can he not be when he and his family were doing business with the Chinese with the Belton Road initiative. I mean they were doing work for the last two

years of Joe Biden's vice presidency. Hunter and his partners were working on behalf of CFC Belton Road in countries overseas, whether it be Romania or passic stand. Um. You know, they were they were going and opening doors on behalf of CFC using the Biden name. They were buying UM, you know, sting that were important. I mean we know from another a Hunch's business deals UM that the New York Times Lo and Behold reported on UM. This other company b HR that he had has well I think

still has, although they're saying that he doesn't. UM ten percent of hr HR brought up of these cobalt minds in the congo and UM. Cobalt of course, is you know, one of these crucial materials that you need that are rare and that you need for battery power for electric cards and so on. UM so UM. There's a lot of UM deals and involvement in China's aggressive posture against America and its allies that the Bidens were involved in.

And while they didn't get the money from the CFC deals that they were doing while Joe Biden was vice president. Um I'm told and Tony Boblinsky certainly believes this that

the money was withheld until after he left office. And in fact, there's an interesting there's a passage in the book where I have Hunter Biden is in New York and he's in a restaurant meeting with the number two guy at CFC, a guy called Directors Ang, and he's pounding the table and he's saying, you own my family twenty million dollars for all the work that we did for you the last two years around the world. And Directors Ang is that there was quite a few people

at this meeting. Director's Anger had an entourage and so did Hunter, and Directors Ang very impassive and very calm, but he's a senior official in the Chinese Communist Party and Hunter's partners who were there with him were really quite aghast because they thought, you know, you really taking a lot of risks being so rude to this guy who could have you whacked any any moment. But Hunter got his money. The money did come through in dribs

and drabs later on. You can see evidence of that on the laptop and also in the Johnson Graduley Inquiry documents. To what extent do we know China was involved in the election, because we know they wanted Biden to win. We saw the night of the election when it looked like Trump was gonna win, China's currency and knows dived when it looked like Biden was going to win. It's skyrocketed again. We know for Mentell that China wanted Biden twin Do we do we know to what extent they

were involved in trying to shape the election? No, I have absolutely, Viewer, there's there's nothing. I mean, the laptop finishes in April. Um, there's just nothing nothing on there. Um, I I think, I mean, I guess what's what's interesting U, the laptop ending in night is that it's almost like Hunter Biden was trying to put the car bosh on his father's election prospects, because it was only a few

days later that Joe Biden announced his candidacy. UM, so Hunter, who you know, hero worshiped his father but also had ambivalent feelings towards him and had great anger towards him. Especially around that time. Um and Joe Biden spent a lot of time trying to reach out to Hunter and get family members to reach out to him, to to sort of mollify him and get him to come back into the fold so that he wasn't going to be a loose cannon during the election campaign. But I don't

know if China tried to get involved. Um. I mean, we look, we know that you know, everyone overseas tries to interfere with um, you know, send box out into social media and so on. But I think the biggest in intervention election interference that I saw was the meat. Yeah. Um,

it was John Brennan with his letter. It was big tech centering the stroy You know, if we know from some polls that were done after the election, Media Research Center found that almost half of Biden voters did not know about the scandal of the laptop and they did not know that Hunter Biden was under investigation. And what's more, one in ten of them, if they had known, would

have changed their vote. And in an election that was decided on four SORR forty five thousand votes across a handful of battleground states, that would have made a material difference. It could have changed the outcome. That is direct election interference. It really is and and it's not just Hudder Biden. You know, how extensive is it within the Biden family of people trying to cash in on Biden's last name. Well, they're just a bunch of grifters, you know, you look

at it. This has been going on since the beginning of Joe Biden Senate career, when he was thirty years old. Um he uh, you know, he's in this unique position where a he suffered this immense tragedy which no one would take away from him. His wife and his baby daughter were killed in a car crash. Hunter Biden and his older brother Bow were both badly injured. Hunter got brain injuries and Bow had some broken legs. And they

were in hospital for some time. And Joe Biden came and um, you know, had a photograph taken of him being sworn in next to his you know, motherless boys bedside, and that tugged at the heartstrings of America. And he's used it in his campaign materials ever since. It's really been his magic ticket to um, you know, higher office. And and and it also allowed him when he first joined the Senate, you know, he left his boys and went

on to do this very important job. And he was taken under the ring by some older Dixiecrats, let's say, and they shoehorned him into really powerful positions in the Senate on the Senate chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee. This gave him immense power back in Delaware, especially because Delaware. This other unique aspect of Joe Biden's career is that Delaware it's called the America's Lichtenstein, like the Virgin Islands, it's

really a tax haven. This is why so many corporations are incorporated there because it has hardly any transparency um. And there then it's got good tax incentives. And so Joe Biden was able to do favors for various companies headquartered in Delaware, and they were his donors. And they also, um, you know, helped him get housing cheaply. You know, he has always he calls himself the poorest man in Congress and wears that as a badge of honor. Um. But

in fact he lives like a billionaire. He lives in the most you know, has always lived in the most beautiful mansions, um, And dresses in fine clothes and um, you know, has a lifestyle that is very unusual for someone who makes a senator salary. And he was able to get grace and favor jobs from his donors for a hunter, but also for you know, nieces and nephews and siblings. Um. The entire Biden family has had this

life of entitlement. Every door is open to them, every ivy league college, UM, you know, jobs, government sinecures help if they get into um. You know, have have some spot of bother with the police that seems to be smoothed over. I know. I mean I've I've had conversations with police in Delaware and they were really happy that I was writing this book because they felt that the

Bidens have gotten away with blue murder for decades. And I think there's resentment in some quarters in Delaware for the way that the Biden's rule the roost there and live these lives of the luxury and entitlement. And really it's it's just a story of drifting and Joe Biden has done. You know, he's a sort of camminy or politician. He's very good at one on one's charming people, or

used to be. And uh, and I guess it's all about relationships, and he internationalized that sort of influenced peddling operation to the rest of the world when he became Vice president, and it's very well recognized as a way of doing business in third world countries, are in countries like China. So when Joe Biden arrived on Air Force too with Hunter Biden, that was very clear a message to Chinese eyes that this was American power come to do private business. Because that's the way they do it.

The princelings are the offspring, the relatives of the people in power in China and the top of the CCP, and it's the offsprings, the siblings, the family members who get paid the bribes, not the CCP member, not not you know, President Yujunping, It's the family members. And that's exactly how they recognize that the bidens we're doing business. And before we go, what was your biggest takeaway in writing and researching for this book. I think on a

personal level, it gave me an insight into Joe Biden's character. Uh, And I guess the the thing I always came back to was what kind of a father puts his drug addicted son in in such temptation? Puts him in front of these gushing torrents of unaccountable cash. Makes him your bag man. He Hunter wanted to be an artist, he wanted to be a writer. Um, he'd suffered this great tragedy in the beginning of his life. He was a troubled soul. And he writes in his own memoir that

it was the arrhythma money. And he described, I think it's like funny money because he was getting it for nothing, you know, eighty three thousand dollars a month. And he said that was really what was the sort of straw that broke the camels back of any will power He was trying to exert over his addictions and he really fell off the wagon. And Joe Biden knew that. Why

would he put his son onto such stress? Uh? He he makes out he's this great family man, but he does that Twisin son and it really it's a chilling fool that gives us a lot to think about. Miranda, Divine Laptop from Hell, amazing work. Such a fan of yours, so much respect. Thank you so much for joining the show. I appreciate your time. Oh, thanks so much, Lisa and the feelings mutual. I want to thank Branda Divine again for such an interesting interview. Go out and get her books.

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