Episode 31: The Truth About Ivermectin with Dr. Pierre Kory

want you to hear, want you to believe. But the truth is their substantial evidence showing Iver meckden is actually quite effective at treating COVID. Dr Pierre Corey has poured through all the evidence and is one of the world's leading proponents of Iver macden as a treatment for COVID, and he's someone who should take seriously. Dr Corey is the president and a founding member of the front Line

COVID nineteen Critical Care Alliance. Dr Corey leat I see us in multiple COVID hotspots, including New York City at the height of the pandemic, and during that time he also co authored several influential papers on the virus. Previously, Dr Corey was the chief of Critical Care Service and the medical director at the Trauma and Life Support Center at the University of Wisconsin, and before that, he was a physician at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York.

He's also a pioneer in the use of ultrasound by physicians and the diagnosis and treatment of critically ill patients, and has won numerous teaching awards in every hospital that he has worked. But these days he has been a passionate advocate for Ivor mecden and a fierce critic of the medical establishment, which he believes is more focused on other priorities than ensuring the health of the public. Today

we get to the truth of Ivor macdona. Dr Pierre Corey, you know, thank you so much for coming on the show. The Truth Quickly sa booth Is podcast actually started during COVID because I felt like the truth wasn't getting out there about things like lockdown and a lot of the data and information. So I'm really excited to talk to you about Iver macdon Yeah, I appreciate it. I'm glad to have the opportunity to do that. You told a Senate committee last December that iver mectin is effectively a

miracle drug against COVID nineteen. What is it? Yeah, so iver mactin is um it's an old medicine. I guess not very old. It is very pretty much discovered in late seventies and first manufactured and distributed in the eighties and nine eighties. It's an anti parasite drug. And the discoverers of iver mecton actually won the Nobel Prize because that drug actually transformed the global health status of hundreds

of millions of people that suffered from parasitic diseases. One of them was called river blindness, where men, not only men, but adults in a lot of communities in Africa were blind by the age of forty from this parasite. And so it essentially restored the site of of countless people across Africa and Asia and even South America. And so it's a really important drug historically UM and the who actually has distributed across continents hundreds of millions of doses.

In fact, four billion doses have been used in humans over the last four decades. So it's a really uh well known and famous drug. The discoverers won the Nobel Prize for it. And so that's what that's what it originally was discovered to do. But over about ten years ago it was discovered in the lab that it was really effective against a number of viruses and so like ZEKEA and west nil and denge and even HIV and influenza.

It was showing that, you know, at the bench it was it was it was showing that it could stop viral replication of a number of viruses similar to coronavirus. So how in terms of using it to combat COVID nineteen, you know, how is it best used against it? Well, there's a number of ways you can use it. Actually, I would say there's there's sort of four phases you could use it in. And that's what makes it sort

of just this incredible drug. And as my colleague, UM and sort of mentor who first actually identified that we needed. You know, I'm part of a group, I'm part of an organization. We're just five experts in medicine, highly published, very credible. Um. We all have had many contributions to medicine and are all actually very well known prior to the pandemic. For individual contributions, and you know, we've been

researching everything COVID since it started. I mean we just did nothing but read papers, exchange papers, and we were looking at all the therapeutics, all of the trials, and we you know Paul Paul Marrack, he he identified AVERMIC and as as looking just really good. Uh, probably early October, about a year ago, and we started looking into it as a group, and I wrote a review paper with the group, and we immersed ourselves in all of the

trials data and we just were overwhelmed. And so um, we that that's what led to my testimony where I really spoke very forcefully about the critical need to use it and so would you use it in COVID? Well, the strongest data is in prevention. It's actually this weekly potent preventative. So if you take it regularly, um, your chances of getting COVID are drastically reduced, especially if you

take it, you know, like weekly. Some of the trials are showing near hundred percent protection, some are showing a percent protection or well over ninety. Um. Some trials where they take healthcare workers once a month or even showing you seventy protection. So that's the prevention data. Then you have early treatment, which is different. You wouldn't just take one dose, you would take you know, a higher dose for some days in a row to three five days.

We now advocate for five days um. And you can use it early treatment, and especially the earlier you start, people turn around immediately. Um. They really start to feel better very quickly. And we just see these consistent, amazing responses with it, and that that's been described by lots

of doctors around the world. And then later on in hospital you have to use much higher doses, less effective as a single agent there, but we use combinations of therapies in the hospital and that's you know, one of them in the in the protocol. And then the last, which is incredible, is in long haul covid um. That's been just incredible story. Like we use it in long

haulers and boy do they respond. We've had so many people who are like I've had a number of patients who are effectively disabled with long haul just couldn't function, Fatigue all the time, dizzy, high heart rates, sweaty, like all these odd like sort of what we call autonomic

symptoms that went away with ivermectin. On the challenge with long haul is that we're finding that they actually need to stay on it, so that most of my patients with long haul they take two to three doses a week, and if they miss a dose or try to stop or try to wing them off, a lot of their symptoms come back. And so we still haven't figure out how to cure it, but we're definitely managing it really well. And how safe is it. It's one of the safest

drugs known to man. So don't believe everything you read this. You know, I'm just gonna speak frankly because I'm really done. I've been doing this for a year and I'm just gonna tell you what I'm seeing and just the absurdity. But this controversy around iver mecton, I need to be clear, it's not controversy. It's corruption masquerading as controversy. It is what happens when you have a repurpose drug that's threatens the financial interests of the pharmaceutical industry. They've been doing

this for years. Iver Macton is not unique at all. I mean, Mettan is a repurpose drug, and the phone student industry has been at war with repurpose drugs for decades and so when you see all of this stuff that they put out and in trying to inject you know, controversy or doubt or distorting or suppressing the data around iver mectin, it's just part of a playbook of those who have, you know, deep financial interest in making sure that iver mectin is not recognized as an effective therapeutic.

And so you know, these concerns on safety is just bizarre. I mean it's not only bizarre, it's actually just absolutely false. In the w h O documents themselves, their guidelines for treating parasitic diseases, they repeatedly state that ibra mactin the side effects are generally minor and transient. One of the world experts who did a safety review of ira mactin said that severe side effects are unequivocally and exceedingly rare.

It's not toxic to the liver, it's not toxic to the kidneys, it's not toxic to the lungs, and like I said, it's distributed across continents to people, old, young, infirm, more abidities for decades, and we have tons of safety data now in COVID even at very high doses and for extended durations and so there's not one lack of a safety there's not one signal that shows that it's

not safe. And so even in overdoses, So in the safety review, there's acts not one documented accepted instance of a death directly caused by ivermecne, even in massive overdoses. So massive overdoses, people have gotten sick, they go to the hospital and with just supportive care, they're they're better in two to three days. But those are like you can count them on one hand the amount of times that's been reported. And so the safety is just unparalleled,

absolutely unparalleled. Well, and isn't problem part of the problem as you see the media and the f DA, you know, they're trying to label it as a horsety warmer because it does have purposes for both livestock and for humans,

But it isn't part of the challenges. You know, you have people taking dosages that they shouldn't be taking because obviously a dosage meant for a cow or horse that weighs like a thousand pounds or you know, more than a ton is not going to be healthy for a human being, right, And so isn't that part of the challenge there or what what is that? So the challenges this I would reframe that, which is that without guidance from the health agents, then you're not going to get

that right. So, so the health agents are firmly opposed to iver mac them. Um Again, I'm sorry, but we we are seeing one of the grossest and most absurd examples of regulatory capture and history. Right. So those agencies, what I call the alphabet agencies, are literally acting under the sole intent and guidance of the pharmaceutical industry. It's absolutely clear there's abundant amounts of evidence. And it's not just around iver mactin, it's around remdessevere, it's around the vaccines.

And so to ask for guidance from them on two people and how to or providers, how to prescribe and how to dose it, they're not giving it. So you're creating a situation were Unfortunately, people who you know, have followed the data, they follow credible scientists like myself and my organization. They understand its efficacy and they hear the reports from around the world and they want to use it.

And so unfortunately they're they're having to self prescribe. Now those reports of overdoses where people are filling e rs. You understand at least those were completely false, like totally false, and I've been debunked, And so no one's filling up e rs with overdoses. The calls to the poison Control Center, I the vast majority of people asking questions because they were forced to take animal veterinary products. Is no one's going to prescribe it, or a very few doctors are prescribing.

So it's just an unfortunate situation of a war on a very safe, old, cheap and repurpose drug, and so it's not being made available and there's not good guidance on on how to use them. So I think these people are unfortunately having the self prescribed. They're gonna make mistakes, But I gotta tell you it has such a wide margin of safety around dosing that I mean every time I read an article about people overdosing, I mean I laugh, I mean literally that it's very hard to do that.

And just because you take a horse paste, I mean it clearly says on the box, you know that this this much for a thousand pound horse, this much for a two and fifty pound So just because you're taking a horse space doesn't mean that you're going to overdose and so UM. Now again I cannot advocate for veterinary products. UM. I feel bad for those people who resort to that. But you know, it's like a colleague said, you know, it's like someone who's dying of first who's forced to

drink out of a muddy creek. It's it's a truly unfortunate situation. And our organization has been working tiresly trying to get the agency is trying to get someone to provide guidance to providers, at least a weak recommendation, some recommendation, and they refuse to do so. Why are they so against it? I mean, as you mentioned the alphabet agencies. You've got the f d A, the ni AGE, the World Health Organization, the Journal, American Medical Association. You all

against iver MACTAM for usage to combat COVID. Why are they so against it? So there's many reasons. And again I hate sounding like a conspiracy theorist, but you know when I said regulatory caps R, the w h O has been well documented to be under the influence of the pharmaceutical industry and or philanthropy organizations which are very heavily vaccine influenced, and so it's viewed as an opponent

of vaccine policy. That's one is that the one one argument is that in the eu A, so the Emergency Youth Authorization for these vaccines, it's dependent on the fact that there is no effective treatment for the disease. Because if you have an effect to treatment for the disease, if you played by the rules, the eu AS could would have to be rescinded for the vaccines. Right, So there's there's that that's a very clear and almost legal incentive to ensure that iver mectant is not recognized. So

that would be one. The second is the list of financial interests that would be really kind of smashed if iver mettan was widely used and adopted is a really long list, right, so number one, um number one is

just something like remdesse of her. I mean, we're seeing health industries around the world that are using this in early testing treat programs like well over seventy of people are avoiding hospital and so you would literally decrease hospitalizations on the order and that's the minimum of what would be capable of and so the appetite remdesse of her

would dry up. There are competing oral anti virals that are in the pipeline from Mark and Fiser, and they want to bring those to market, and that would be a huge bonanza for them in a pandemic to bring an oral anti viral for early treatment. If iver Magnan is in that market, I mean, what happens to that that they have no market for that? And so again I'm just stating it's I've had a front row seat

to this. I've seen the attacks. I've seen the distortions, the misrepresentations, the the false the false statements that are coming out of those agencies. It's it's it's just been. It's been a horror show, to be honest, and I've had an education of a lifetime. I'll never be the same again. And I just my only hopes is that when this story is written and the history books are written, and hopefully within a year or two when this comes out, is that we we we stopped this system. I mean,

we're in a system where we literally are driven. It's basically run on four profit medicines. There's no appetite and there's no pathway for nonprofit medicines to make it, and and it's killing people and that's why I hope this system blows up. Well, I mean, I would love to see that. I don't trust any of these people. And you talk about the profit driven aspect of it, I mean, you look at the COVID vaccine as Viser's top seller alone.

You know they're going to make over thirty three billion dollars from the two doors regimen by itself, not even including the additional amount of money they're going to make from boosters. And then you know how many boosters they actually end up we're seeing people to get. So that's so much money involved here. So what's interesting is that

other countries have used like India ends Yeah, talk about India. Yeah, So, Lisa, you just mentioned right, this this endless, this endless horizon of these just astronomical profits that standing to be gained from from a market of of just endless vaccines and boosters. Right. Meanwhile, right, one of the most incredible stories, and I think one of the most major public health achievements in history, was just realized in the state of Utar Pradeshian India. Right.

So it's a state in northern India has a population of two hundred and forty one million people, which is basically like a country two thirds of size the United States. I think it would be like the seventh or eighth largest country if it was a country. And that state is unique because they adopted iver macton. They first started a relaxing healthcare workers with hydroxy cork in a year ago.

Then they did a study where they started giving healthcare workers I mean, and they noticed that almost none of the healthcare workers were getting sick. And so that state then put it into a policy throughout the state and they not only started doing prevention of healthcare of all healthcare workers, but they started using it in early treatment, and they started using in prevention of household contacts. And what they did is it's such an incredible story of

what they did. But they had also a massive public health contact tracing. They had seventy thousand healthcare workers all on ivermectin and they went to all of the household so they did contact tracing and surveillance every household. Every positive test, they visited the house, they gave ivermectin and treatment to the person who's sick. They gave it to um the house the household contacts and using that strategy, they did incredibly well in the fall, and they did.

They had some of the best numbers in the world until April May, when that huge crisis overwhelmed India. And what happened in Utar Pradesh is they had about three million migrant workers who worked in cities around India who all fled the impending lockdowns um and they fled back to Uttar Pradesh. So there was this huge like surge of cases um. But what Utarparadesh did was it's just so smart, like what they did should be the playbook

for the world. But they went to all the train stations and bus stations and airports and they tested, they treated, they followed, and their cliff like drop was just impressive. So that this huge meteoric rise and then a sudden drop because they knew how to extinguish this surge. Okay, let's talk about what they achieved. Since then, they continued on with that policy and with their program. And in

the last two weeks, we've been waiting for this. I've been waiting for granular data because we can see the epidemiologic data. But in the last two weeks, finally the health officials Butar Pradesh are now coming out. They're sharing really granular data and they're doing interviews and basically what

happened in that state is they've effectively eradicated COVID. So in the last week, there was an article last week that showed the prior week, of the two hundred and twenty six thousand tests that were done in the previous actually twenty four hours, only eleven were positive, which is like a positive rate of like point oh four which is indescribable and effectively zero. And then in the prior two weeks they had done two and a half million tests and only two hundred one were positive, which is

like a point oh seven percent, effectively zero. And they have like out of seven five districts in that state, of two or forty one million people, I think sixty five of them have no active cases of COVID. And so so when you talk about that endless mill of Monday to be made from vaccines, you're talking about a huge portion of the globe, which is two forty one million people who have eradicated COVID. And you know what their vaccination rate is, Lisa five fully vaccinated. Such a racket,

So they did not do it with the vaccines. And now can you understand why there's so much opposition. Let's take a quick commercial break and then back with Dr Corey on the other side. So you've compared what's happening today with Iver Macton to Dr Fauci and the and I age not recognizing the efficacy of backdroom. I think I'm pronouncing it right for aids in the nies. What are the parallels there for the folks at home who are sort of unaware of that. So the parallel, the

closest parallel is during the HIV epidemic. You know smart doctors I call him frontline doctors who are actually seeing HIV and treating them. You know that they started to see that many of the young and mostly young men in the beginning, right, were dying of this pneumonia, right, which everyone knows is pc pneumonia, which is actually a fungus. And they knew, I mean, it's this is like, I mean,

it's just so straightforward. But like those doctors knew that there was a lot of literature that when Pete, when pc P pneumonia occurred in leukemia patients who are severely admit suppressed, it was really successfully treated with bactroom, right, and so it wasn't a stretch to use bathroom in these young men dying of AIDS and those that were using bathroom saw that it worked, and so they really they went to the NIH and they were saying, please

provide guidance, like you should prove or recommend backtroom for the treatment of HIV and PC pneumonia. And what did

they do, Lisa. They did not do that. They refused to provide guidance or recommendations on a repurpose drug for the treatment of this deadly pneumonia that was killing uh, you know young gay or HIV in factors they weren't all gay, right that women start to get HIV very soon after that, and so you know, there's thousands of people who died because of lack of guidance around using

this cheap and repurpose drug BACKTROM. And the thoughts were that they were testing some other for profit drugs and they were looking for new HIV anti virals, and at one point some ludicrous public health fish actually said, oh, now that we have a zy t you won't need backtroom for for p JP because they thought they had a cure for it. I mean, the whole thing is crazy. But the point is, frontline docks knew what was working. They didn't need a big randomized control trial. They knew

something was effective. Um, they knew the mechanisms, and yet you didn't get the agencies listening to them and following their guidance. Iver Mecton is the same frontline docks have long known in this pandemic, from as early as last year, um in March and April. Those who started using it, they've known that this was wickedly effective as this virus, and that number of docs who have understood that is increasing and increasing and increasing, and in this country it's increasing.

So sort of put things in context. What I call farmageddon, right, so what's today today is like September or twenty two or something. You know, farm agedting started like two and a half weeks ago, and it's it's what I call this just insane battle against iber macta, which hit the media and the late night shows and all of those horse paste articles and all of these attacks right as this you know, people eating horse paste and it's an animal drug and all of this insane stuff. You know,

what triggered that. What triggered that was that the prescriptions for iver mectin in this country, we're going through the roof doctors and patients were learning that this is highly effective against COVID, and so what happened is, you know, now now we're an all out war and it's really a war on people and the doctors who know that

there's an effective cheap drugs. You know, cheapness is by the way, it costs six cents for a twelve milligram tablet to make six cents, and so you know that's the parallel is that again they want to they want to have some four for profit drugs to treat this illness. They want to make room for the for profit drugs. And if you if you if aver metin uh, you know, gets thrown in, you're not gonna you're gonna dry up anything for all those other drugs. Well, and it's also

a war on the truth as well. I mean, YouTube has taken down some of your videos. Facebook has blocked some of your content as well. I mean, what's your response to that censorship at this point? Unsurprised? I mean, I totally understand why they're doing it. I mean, it's all of the actions are with one goal. Is they really need to suppress iver mactin again, you know, going

back to the same thing. The opposition iver mectin is so vast, so deep, so wide ranging that it I mean, it's this little cheap repurpose drug and it's getting you know, part of us. Like we kind of chuckled because we're like when we see the bazookas that they're bringing out, Like, like I said, this form again, Like we know it's because because it works, right. If it didn't work, do you think they'd have to do all this. No, we wouldn't care because it doesn't work. Right. They know it works.

That's why you're seeing a war on it. What's been the impact of all this on you? For for because as you mentioned, you know front log doctors of the people we should be listening. You've been on the front lines fighting COVID and I see unit units. What's been this response on you just professionally and personally as you've kind of been demonized by people in some of your peers, Like, what's the cost for speaking out? The personal cost on me? Um?

Who you know, I'm exhausted. I'm just exhausted all the time. Um, I you know, it's it's it's been really infuriating. It's said, it's distress, and it's a lot of negative things. But at the same time, you know, I've gotten to build like a network of colleagues and relationships of like minded doctors who know the truth and are fighting for the truth.

And so like my organization right which is called the Frontline COVID nineteen Critical Caroliniance or the fl c c C. You know, there are little f l c c c s all over the world, like Canada has one, UK has one, and like I know, all the doctors and scientists and all those organizations who understand the truth, they're all fighting against the regulatory agencies and in all of

their countries. And so the relationships that I've built, the amount that I've learned has been like really really satisfying. And then most importantly is like despite all of the attacks, they said, generally people that were like whose lives are saved, how many people who like turn around on the dime? I mean, how many people have aid hospitalization? I mean it's literally hundreds of thousands, not millions, around the world.

And I even can't get my head around that. Um, And that's why we do what we do, and and we know, you know, you know, like a friend told me last week, and I really like to stay and he said, there's only three things that are guaranteed to come out, the sun, the moon, and the truth. And the problem with the truth in this respect is that, Um, it's taking a while for this truth to come out, but it's coming. I mean, this, this um Udoburdust story

cannot be kept on the wraps for too long. And there's been similar stories like Mexico City emptied their hospitals

last winter with an early test and treatment program. That paper is out, um, I mean, and like I said, the prescriptions in this country, despite from again of two and a half weeks of attacks on it, are increasing, you know, like that the people are understanding that there is an effective drug, and they're you know, the doctors are now understanding and so um, I'm really encouraged, but the attacks are really tiresome, and the lies, the constant

lies everywhere and misrepresentations and the implications of that is I'm somewhat numb to it now because like I've used to the fact that people are going to be dying and they're going to continue to die as a result of this suppression of a scientific truth, which is this

is a highly effective medicine COVID. It's also just all bizarre because if you think the interest was saving lives, you would want and all of the above approach right to try to use, you know, to to use everything in the fight against COVID, and instead it's like you take the vaccine or else. So it's it's it's it's very bizarre. I don't know if you know who Brett Weinstart is, but he's this evolutionary biologist and I've gotten to be friends with him and I did a podcast

with him. But you know, he talks about like when you look at the anomalies, you know, the the baron sees the abnormality, abnormal sort of actions that are being taken. You know, you really have to wonder like, what's what's going on here? Right, So the fact that they don't adopt and they're fighting against an early treatment which we know should be paired with the vaccines, right, it's not

necessarily an enemy. You can use it, you know, in all hands on deck approach and really try to, you know, go after this pandemic with everything you have. That's one abnormality. The other one that's really bizarre, is this is this overwhelming obsession with vaccinating and vaccinating those who had the illness, right, and so it's just there's some things that aren't making sense, right, and so it you know, and then you have to

wonder what drives those behaviors. And I gotta tell you it comes back to the same thing that these agencies are captured. They're not acting in the best interest, that the public health of the citizens is not primary. And I have to tell you something. I went into this pandemic actually trusting that that was their primary goal and that's their only interest. And I'll tell you this, I think many people who work in those agencies actually do believe that, and those are their careers and that is

their goal. But they're not the leaders. And I think to become, you know, on the top of those agencies and actually direct to make the final decisions, you don't get there by doing the right thing and saying the right thing. I think you only get there if you know how to play well with the pharmaceutical companies. And and and that's that's the tragedy is I don't want to impugne you know, all of the fine people who work

in those agencies. But I will tell you the ultimate direction of those agencies are certainly not influenced of the public health as as the primary goal. It doesn't make sense that the behaviors do not line up to suggest that. Well. It also, you know, a lot of this seems political in the sense of, you know, you had the White House pushed boosters before the FDA had you even voted or given approval to the booster shots, and then you

had to top two top people. The FDI stepped down or f d A rather step down because of that. So it seems like it's more, you know, Joe Biden wants to hit ex percentage of Americans have been vaccinated for political purposes verse, you know, versus is this really in the best interest of all I've just been like lamenting for months, like where are the whistleblowers? I mean, you know, there's some of them have come out and you know there there is you know, one that came

out in Organ, Arkansas. They have a lawyer and there's a lawsuit there. You know, the f d A, the two FDA officials you know resigning. I mean, I think that's almost almost like blowing a whistle that you know things are not right. I mean, UM, I just think we need more UM. And that's the other said truth is that you know, I spoke out. I've left two jobs. One I resigned from the other one I was essentially forced to resign because they were going to really just

take away all of my First Amendment rights. And I said, I'm not gonna, not gonna subject myself to that. But you know, what I've learned is I don't want to put people down this, but very few people are willing to walk away from a job and their livelihoods. And and I just find that said, I know, there's a lot of people who know the truth in those agencies, and and very few are coming out. They don't want to blow up their careers. And I get that. So

you got COVID. Were you taking ivermectin at the time or did you use it? Yeah? Yeah, So here's the thing, right, So I've been attacked for that as well. Oh, this jerk you know is saying that it's preventive against COVID. He got COVID. Listen, I am open and honest. So what happened was, UM, we were doing once a week of profil axis and UM, I actually got I was like the eighth day I hadn't taken it, and I got it like right around there. I was probably exposed

on day six or seven since my last dose. But the same day that I got sick, I got my first reports in like seven months of breakthroughs. And what what the thing is is delta variant has two d and fifty times the viral load of the prior variants. I mean, it's got this huge viral burden. That's why it's so wickedly transmissible. It's one of the reasons. And you know, the tire the viral burden, the more the

higher the dose you need to combat it. And so what we found is we needed to change our strategy. And so although we had breakthroughs, we also found So I have colleagues in Brazil who have been using profile access and they say, UM, let me tell you a

really cool anecdote. So one of um one of our newest members of the FLCCC is this incredible research or clinician from Brazil's Flavio Kata Johnny, and he's done a number of clinical trials on a bunch of different molecules in um in, in COVID, he's made some really great discoveries, but he led a medical mission. He left the capital. They were doing the research and clinical missions throughout the Amazon, and they were visiting city after city during the time

of what's called the Gamma variant. And if you've heard of the gamma variant, you probably haven't heard of it because it's really just been down in Brazil and in parts of South America. But it's extremely violent, meaning it moves fast, like from the first symptom to like wide it out lungs and meeting hospital in high it's of oxygen. Sometimes it's two to three days, and so it's really

a wicked one. And they were doing very well with combination therapies, and then when gamma came, they started really losing patients and they had to learn and you know, they had figured out some different treatment strategy. But here's the thing. They're traveling through the Amazon and they're literally seeing cities and hospitals under collapse. City after city that they visit, you know, running out of oxygen, full of

hospitals of capacity, many people dying. And then they visit this city called Kari I think it's c O A r I. And they get there, and they see that the hospital is like not overwhelmed, it's not that crazy, and it's very different from all the other cities they visited. And so he's talking to the health minister all of that city and she's being a little evasive, and finally she like admits to him that for many, many weeks they had been distributing iv mect into the city's popular lation,

not only in prevention, but in treatment. And what was interesting is many people were taking it in prevention. There was still a lot of cases. There was still a lot of cases there, but they were all generally mild and very few needed the hospital. So almost uniformly they would avoid hospital if you were on. I met them beforehand, so it's not like that they didn't see cases. And that was even a wilder variant than delta. And also they weren't act They were taking it like every seven

to ten days and not a very big dose. And so I'm just saying that that, like, to get sick while you're on ivermectin can happen, but it's generally mild, and so it's still quite preventative, so it avoids severe disease. And so um, when I got it. I have to tell you that, you know, I wasn't going to hide that fact. I thought it was I had a moral and ethical responsibility to say, you know what I was

on prevention and I got sick. And what we were taking from this is we need a higher dose or higher frequency, and so we we now moved our protical to take twice a week for prevention. And so anyway, that's my story on on prevention and with these new more violent variants quick break more and ivermectin. After the commercial break you mentioned, I want to talk to you

about it. The hospital and i CU capacity, So that's been a big reference point throughout the entire you know, pandemic with COVID is talking about hospitals and i C units across the country recent capacity. But don't I mean, I guess where I struggle to find the truth on this is don't most hospitals and IC units operate almost New York capacity for resource purposes even before COVID. Yeah, like, I guess how much of that story is true. Let me talk about what happened in New York last year.

So when New York at its first surge, that literally was hospitals overwhelmed, and it was something I'll never forget. So I used to be the critical care service chief and the director of the I see it University of Wisconsin. But I'm a New Yorker, and I actually resigned from the University Wisconsin to go back to New York because they were they were just getting crushed and they needed intensivenests. Um. And I went back and what I saw was literally

hospitals way over capacity. UM. You know, there was one system in New York that going into that surge, they had n operational I c you beds, and in two and a half weeks they had to create three, D and fifty And you don't have enough. I see specialists, you don't have enough. I see nurses and say, they are all sorts of doctors and nurses who are an unfamiliar with critical care having to manage I see you bed So that was clearly a point and a surge

that overwhelmed systems. Now what is going on now at the delta variant? So um, since that early time, different hospitals now know how to scale capacity a little bit UM. And so for instance, a hospital that I worked at, now they built a dedicated that I see you for COVID, and we were pretty full in July. We had a lull in August um where we actually emptied that COVID I see you, and so we only had a few other patients in the main I see you. And now

that one's full again, but we're managing it. We're not overwhelmed. But there's some capacity that was able to be absorbed. And so I think a lot of hospitals able to absorb some of the excess capacity through the new search. Because this is not our first rodeo now right, We've been doing this for a while. But I do have colleagues like for instance, in Tennessee, like in August and Joy in August, they literally were overwhelmed. They said they

had no more I see you beds. They you know, they were you know, many many kids were going to the hospital. Like the things that we're hearing from close colleagues were really really bad. Um. But now that's lessening, right, So they're like surges happening and then they recede, and I think some hospitals know how to absorb or now

scale a little bit to capacity. But to your other question, which is, you know, in normal times, don't we usually have full I cus And here's the interesting part about that. So as a physician, one of my core responsibilities to decide who needs I See you or not. When we have empty beds, I'm allowed to be a little bit more liberal. So if I go see a patient and they're kind of sick, I'm somewhat worried about them. You know,

I'll put them in the I See you. If I have a lot of capacity, I'm just an abundance of caution. But if we're really full, and I go see a patient sometimes on the regular medical wards, even if they look kind of quite ill, you know, sometimes I don't take them. And so you can see what I'm saying.

So it's like what happens in COVID is like we were managing increasingly, Like at for instance, in New York, the acuity level on the regular hospital floors that we're managing, we're we're light years beyond what UM I had seen in my career. We were leaving very sick patients out of the I see you, um and so again. And in fact, you know, I teach medicine. A lot of my trainees in my specialty, I was telling them, I'm like what you're learning here is not what I learned.

I said, you know, and they understood. I said, we usually do not leave these kind of severely ill patients and regular medical wards. And so so that's the point you don't see, like on the ground level, we're making clinical decisions according to capacity. And so I don't know, is that a party answer to your question, it's it's a complicated one. Yeah, so it's it's nuanced. Is basically it's nuance, very nuanced. Yeah, let's take a break and

then back to Dr Corey. COVID vaccines. They're the fastest vaccines ever created, improved ever. You know previously, I think the vaccine the fastest vaccine to go from development to deployment was the Mom's vaccine in the nineteen sixties. That took four years. I mean, you get a vaccine through the approval process without cutting corners that quickly. I can just say it's on an unprecedented speed. And you know, with medicineism, anything with science, with speed, you raise the

risk of making errors. And and that's all I'm gonna say. I'm not a vaccine expert, but yes, I think your statement is true. It's extremely fast and Um, you know, what I actually believe is that speed in which they developed and rolled them out might have been reasonable in the fog of war, right, like we were in a really tough time, especially last winter. Um. But I also think that, you know, with time, you need to continue to collect the data on efficacy and safety and that

should be transparent. And my only issue with the vaccines and the data is I just don't find the data transparent. They're not sharing it. It's all in newspaper articles, and it's very unsatisfied to someone who you know, I I like to look and analyze data, and so do my colleagues, and were just it's we see a lot of talk of the data, but we don't actually see the data, and so that's my concern. But I think that's that's the key, is that you need to contin need to

look at data. I mean, they did a rush last year, but um, you know, continue to look at data, but provide the data, that's the other thing. So that's all I'll say about that. Well, and to your point, you know, I support right to try, So I support trying to get the vaccine to market under emergency use authorization for you know, an eighty five year old who could die

if they get COVID. But now we're forcing the vaccine on you know, so many people around the country who probably don't need the vaccine, and also only one of them has even been approved, and then that approval process was incredibly fast. Yet we're forcing Americans to get the vaccine. It's just insane to me. And to your point about the transparency regarding you know, deaths and and vaccine injury, I mean, like they I know, there's you know, people

try to condemn Varius. However, the CDC and the government uses it as an early reporting system, so it does have benefit. And then it is also a good comparison tool to look at deaths and injury from COVID vaccines versus other ones, because if you think the information is skewed for COVID, it would be skewed for everything. So we've seen you know, seven thousand reports of death from

the COVID vaccine. Again, it's soef reporting. The information has not been you know, entirely examined, so you have to take it with a grain assault. But you know, we've also seen recent studies showing heart problems are a much bigger risk than previously thought, you know, how much vaccine injury are are using in the hospital, in the ICU

or some of your colleagues. You know, that's a hard number from from a one person perspective, And but I certainly have seen a number of um very severe blood clots so that have occurred within the weeks after a vaccine.

And then you know what I've been concerned about is I've had a number of cases in the last month or two where an elderly patient like came in with like a pneumonia, which is very common many people diet inder theives with pneumonia and or sepsis, And so they came in with these conditions that are rather normal for me to take care of in the elderly, but the families would like spontaneously tell me that he wasn't the same since the vaccine, or like he he seemed to be,

you know, dwindling or not not the same in his health, seemed to suffer. And you know, I just found that concerning that the families would would notice that that they saw people so like they didn't die of a vaccine injury, but it seemed like something predisposed them to have the illness that brought them before me. And again I can't say how common that is, but I've I've definitely seen cases of that, so you know, asking an individual doctor

and then you know as an outpatient. I've definitely had people in my circle and uh you know through friends and family network who have who have definitely come to me with um, you know, problems after vaccines. But again that's hard to quantity or put into context. I mean I've had I went to go get an antibody test. I won't say where, but I had two of the nurses I talked to so that they were saying an increase in hard injury from the vaccine, particularly at young people.

So I just I just don't think. I just don't think that we're being told the truth about all this. And I'm not I'm not anti the COVID vaccine. I'm not. I'm not I'm not for or against anything. I'm just for the truth. And I just don't feel like we're yeah for data and the truth, and I just don't

feel like we're getting it from people. And I certainly certainly don't think anyone should be mandated for sake of having a job to get something that one you know, three of the vaccines or no, two of the three aren't even FDA proved, and then the other has been rushed through, and then we have no one. You know, we're not really getting the real truth about potential injury. It just should not be mandated on anyone. I just

think that's disgusting. And my concerns is that all the data, whatever data is being shared um is actually artificial, because all the data on efficacy and safety and everything, it's artificial because you're not including effective early treatment options in

the equation. So so like if people could get treatment with you know, early treatment, the effects of the vaccine would be much less impressive, you know, like the story I told you whether you know, even though there were cases, very few went to hospital, and so, you know, I just feel like we're not getting a full picture of the way in which you can address this illness. So this this maniacal singular focus on vaccines, you know, as

as the only way to end the pandemic. It's ignoring the fact that there are other options that we're not using. And so um again, I'm for early treatment. And you know, the other thing I want to tell you say is that what's fascinating as a physician in this pandemic is I've remectin is not the only thing that works early on. There's a number of other compounds and molecules that are really effective early on. There's actually another anti parasite drug

which is highly effected called nittas oxinide um. There are anti viral nasal drops and mouth washes that you can do because all the viral burden is actually in the nose and pharynx and like throat, and you can actually kind of sanitize or sterilize those areas with varicidal which is like virus killing solutions, and that alters trajectory incredibly.

There's a number of studies showing that the hospitalization rates if you do regular like povid on iodine nasal drops um with with these versible mouthwashes, I mean, they're like twenty times less than if you didn't. And so there's there's just a bunch of approaches. And now now we have like new medicines that suppress androgen activity, which is like testosterone because what we recognize that covid is men fare a lot worse at almost every age group um.

In fact, men between the ages of forty to forty nine or six times more likely to die than women of COVID, and between thirty and fifty they're like two to three times more likely to be hospitalized. And the reason why that is is that testosterone and its derivatives actually drive an enzyme which allows the virus to enter, and that's why men do worse. And so there are these incredible trials coming out of Brazil old in other areas showing that if you use medicines which suppress the phosterone,

the patients do incredibly well, even in women. And so I just want to make sure that like we use the combination of therapies. Our protocols are on our website um F L c CC dot MET in case your audience is interested in looking at our treatment protocols. But they're they're highly evidence based and highly effective um and we learned from a network of colleagues who have done research and have gained clinical experience, and so, you know, I just want to point out early tearing right now. Today,

the NAH does not have an early treatment option. They don't even recommend vitamin D even though their their own data over decades shows that vitamin D is uh, you know, vitamin D deficiency is highly common in the U S population, especially in the poor uh and disadvantage in minority populations, and so they don't even recommend vitamin D. It's it's really again another incredible anomaly of how they're approaching this well. And another reason em against the vaccine mandates is because

COVID impacts different groups of people. There's such a disparity and the way it impacts people, you know, young versus old. You know, you start to get over the age of eight, it starts to get you know, a lot more danger is if you're even my age three six ninety nine point nine seven percent chance of surviving different I tried. I tried, Dr Corey. So take us through what you know,

especially from your experiences. What are the higher risk groups of people you know, who should be concerned, who less concerned? You know, take us through some of the different you know the risk calculation here. So number one age is what you mentioned, So we know with every ten years of age um it's a linear sort of plot on the graph, like a diagonally rising one. Like with every dec sile or ten years of age, the mortality increases. So definitely you don't want to be older and get

this disease. The older you are, the worst you'll fair. That's number one, flat out. Number two is obesity, UM, and you know, the more overweight and obese you are, you're going to do worse. Number three, UM is diabetes, and you know those are diabetes which is actually causes the form of immuno suppression, they do worse. And so it's really obesity, which are obese is an you know, endemic in society and at least the US society and many others. UM. Diabetes type one or two is very

common UM. And then obviously age. But those those are kind of the three the three ones that you sort of that I worry about, Like when I see someone really overweight with diabetes just coming with COVID or an elderly patient, you know, I know I'm going to have a rougher time and may not succeed at saving them, which is why you know, we should be kind of looking at the totality of all this and trying to figure out the best ways to both mitigate and then

also to potentially save lives for people who get COVID. You know, we're also saying breakthrough cases with the vaccine is that something that's prevalent in the ice US in hospitals right now, or or people showing up with or with breakooth cases or that's like another thing that I've been bemoaning. The data on that is they're not sharing that data. So you know, we have officials in the CDC who've been running around saying that the people in

hospital or vaccinated. That's not true. You know, they had data coming out of CDC that as of June, of the people in hospital, uh, we're vaccinated, right, and so UM, we know those numbers are higher in Israel. It's sixty of people in hospital have been double vaccinated. UM. A lot of my colleagues in the i c U over the last couple of months, they do say that almost everyone is unvaccinated. But that's changing and we know why that's changing, and it has to do with the timing

of the vaccine. So Israel was the fastest out of the gate, and they're starting to see waning efficacy, right, and so I'm starting to see double vaccinated in the i c Now. I just had a patient last week, UM, double vaccinated, very sick in the I S you and so, UM, they do seem the data seems to suggest that you're much less likely to get severe disease, but it's not a guarantee. And that's the other thing. That's why early

treatment matters. These you know, all of these people who have done the right thing, they've shown up for their shots, they've socially distanced and masked, and now they're getting sick and we're not giving them an option for treatment. I mean, it's really it's unconscionable. You know, the vaccinated amy non

vaccinated will need treatment. And that's what you know, Florida has said as well, because they've been pushing the monoquoto antibody treatments and they're saying they've seen I think I believe one of the tweets I saw, you know, I believe this is true because this is just going off the top of my head. I think it was almost over where individuals were vaccinated who are still getting sick

and they needed the monoclonal antibodies. Because again, it's just sort of this weird situation that we're in where it's like they were originally trying to deny and push back against monoclonal antibodies because they just want people to go get vaccinated. You have to get vaccinate. You have to

get vaccinated. But but what's not being part of that conversation is what what about the people who get vaccinated and then still get really sick and neither life to be saved by you know, either the monoquote antibodies or you're saying ever macton or some of these other things. So it's like it's just it's just like it just blows my mind because there's just no rationale or any common sense anymore whatsoever. Again, you you're pointing out all

of these things that just don't make rational sense. So and there's a lot of us right in society, smart people pay attention, and a lot of us have scratching their heads. And that's why when I when you see these behaviors which are inconsistent with sound medical principles and in fact seemed to violate them, right like this rush to vaccinate people who have already had the disease and mandate it even if you've had the illness and have antibodies. I mean, when have we ever done that in history?

And so they're making up this new rule and it's it's it's bizarre, and so you're pointing out a lot of them, but but this early treatment one is the one that's actually causing the loss of life. That the continued suppression of early treatment options, which I maintain is being done until these new orl anti viwals can be rolled out by the big former companies. For every day that they continue to do that, we're going to lose

a lot of people. And and they better hope those oil anti virals work, because I gotta tell you the one from Murk, it's called Moment Pure of Your already failed in the hospital. They tried it in the hospital, and that those trials failed, they're actually trying it now as an outpatient. And again I don't care about what that shows because we already have a highly effective drug and I remectin. But um, that's what I think has happening. They're waiting for those drugs to come in and save

the day. But while they do that, I mean incalculable loss of life and morbidity, even and even if you survived. The poor people with long haul COVID. I don't know if you have friends or family, but it's miserable long haul. I mean that that's a whole other epidemic and itself and so and by the way, we have a protocol for that. How frequent is long haul in terms of you know, the people who get COVID you know, the the the incidents ranges, but anywhere from ten to fifty

the general somewhere around thirty. That maybe a little high. But um, that's what we're seeing from, you know, which is lingering effects of some amount. Um. I were really about the more severe ones. You know, I've had like young people who like can't go back to work, twenty nine year old who's literally incapacitated, um, just with so much fatigue and dizziness and just feels unwell all the time.

And and he's really sad because he's a very functional, very active guy, and he just Um, you know, that's one case. But you know, I've had others. Now, he we've done good work with him. He's actually been my least satisfactory case, because I've had numbers of other cases where on our protocol which is on our websites called I Recover, which is sent in around IV mectin and some other medicines. UM, we had just incredible responses. And also that protocol is for those who are vaccine injured.

We have tremendous responses in vaccine injury because you know, i've remectin right. One of the thoughts of why it's so effective is that it's it's it's a drug that's sought to tightly bind to the spike protein, and that's why it prevents entry. So if it binds, it can't enter the cell, it can't replicate, and that's why it's

a good prevention. And because the vaccines, right, they tell the self to make spike protein, i've mectan actually binds to the spike protein, and so what we think is happening in the vaccine injury is that the spike protein is leaving the tissue of the arm and circulating and causing all of these you know, other symptoms. And if you give them ivermectin, they really respond. In fact, some of them A little satisfying clinical experiences has been treating

patients who really felt unwell after the vaccine. And so um, I think your your audience and you know, anyone out there has longhould, they should go to our website and

look at their protocol for that well. And I think too, you know, just for the you know, what sort of underscores how dumb their public health officials are and the people in charge, is how much they're undermining their own message with vaccines, because if you're essentially saying unvaccinated people or the enemy, you have to fear them while simultaneously telling us how great the vaccines are and somehow prevents

them from severe illness. That that doesn't that doesn't really correlate, right, or that that doesn't really square right. You can't you can't. You can't say unvaccinated people or the enemy, and you have to fear them while also saying somehow vaccines are going to protect and save lives, and that just doesn't

that doesn't track. So it's uh, it's so, it's you know, so for any anything else we're missing in this conversation that you want the folks listening to to know, No, I just want to give, like you know, I don't want to sound too hold to it, really a message of hope because you know, like I said, a stark achievement in public health has been realized in Utar Pradesh. They should be the model for the world. Um, just like Mexico City's Department of Health I M s S.

They also could be a model for the world. I mean, we know how to solve this pandemic. So that's the positive message. UM. The tragedy is that we live in a very capitalistic societyist run on on profit motives and and unfortunately we have agencies that are captured regulatory capture by those with financial interests and and and that's why you're seeing the US have such a tough time with

this pandemic. I mean, we're getting hammered here and and I you know, my organization, although we're a group of doctors and researchers, UM, we've had to learn to do grassroots, meaning you know, our normal dissemination of our knowledge was not working. Lecturing and publishing papers. We've published a dozen actually two dozen if you count the group. It just

wasn't registering. And so we found that this was a life saving medicine, and so we tried to bring it, you know, with a website and press conference and I gave that testimony which luckily went viral and they got an important message out and we've continued to try to deliver that message. And so the message is good. There is a solution. There are treatments, UM, and UH, you've got to convince your doctors to learn about them and

use them. Um. And it's working. Like I said, the prescriptions are going up, and so the early treatment message is getting out there. It's just it's really painful to see how slow it is and how much resistance to it is, which is which is going to be a

historic humanitarian crisis. That was that that history will not be kind to these actions that you outline, Lisa, They will not be kind and resistance in terms of I mean there have been lawsuits of people suing on behalf of family members, suing hospitals who won't provide iver met done and things like that. So to the point where it's become you know, people have taken legal action to try to because they weren't able to get the prescription

or they weren't able to get it. So you've mentioned uh and you're president founding member of the nonprofit called Frontline COVID nineteen Critical Carolines. You've mentioned it throughout the show. Again, where can people go to find this information to support you to read some of the work. Yeah, So it's f l c CC dot net UM and you know it was originally founded by Professor Paul Marrick, who was

my dear friend and colleague and mentor of mine. And you know, he was tasked, you know, asked a year ago, you know, why don't you put together a protocols. He's famous for his sepsis protocols UM and he's a giant in medicine. He's the most published practicing intensivist in the world and the history of critical care medicine, and and all of us are well published and very well known.

And we got together and we just have consumed everything COVID, and all we've tried to do is put together as effective treatment protocols we have, we can, and we have, and but our message and our expertise is being attacked and suppressed and it's it's said, but we'll get there. F l c cc dot net that I mentioned, So f l ccc dot net is the website. Dr Corey. I appreciate your time. This was a fascinating, fascinating discussion. Yes,

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