Episode 19: Not Backing Down with Sen. Ron Johnson

Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin. He was first elected in the Tea Party wave of and since then has been one of the most outspoken members of the Senate and as a result, one of the left favorite targets. Today, I asked Senator Johnson about COVID vaccines, big tech censorship January six, and some of the latest hot button issues in Congress, as well as some questions about his political career. And with that, I want to welcome Senator Ron Johnson

to the show. Centator, thanks so much for joining me on The Truth with Lisa Booth. Well, I appreciate that I'm I'm just telling the truth. I have to admit I it does amaze me that anybody would consider me to be a polarizing figure. You know, I'm not of this world. I'm I'm a citizen legislator, you know, raised a family, uh ran a business for thirty years, was involved my community, serving on boards with the most liberal college professors, the most conservative business people like myself. It

would never come up. We were just concerned about how can we improve education for our children, for example. So I'm not bombastic. I don't engage in personal attacks, but but I do recognize the fact that the U. S. Senate seat that I hold right now is something that the Democrats covet and their communications are the mainstream media would like me gone as well. So I mean, I understand the source of the attacks. It's still it's it's It doesn't bother me because I know who I am,

but it's it is. It's depressing in its reflection on our society and their state of politics. What I find interesting is, look, you're you're a very wealthy member of Congress. Congratulations, I'm trying to get there and not in Congress, but you know, wealthy, So you didn't need to run for Congress. You didn't need to run for Senate. But you did, you know, why did you run for Senate in You've got all this money, You've got all these things you

can do. Why the Senate? It really was with the passage of Obamacare on Christmas Eve, my our first child or daughter, Carey, was born with a serious congenital heart defect. So the first day of life, she had a procedure called a blue septastomy to get her down stream where she can open our surgery whether we re baffle the upper chamber heart. So at that point in time, I recognized a couple of things. Uh, there's a reason they call it medical practice because it's exactly that. It's practice.

Um note to human being are the same. Uh. You advanced medicine through literally trying different techniques, different theories of the case. But I knew that every every time the government intrudes in any marketplace, they screw it up. They've already intruded way too much into our health care field. And I just didn't want to see, you know what, what technological advancements were occurring in medicine to be snuffed out by government control over over our health care system.

And then secondly, at that point in time, we were on fourteen trillion dollars in debt, you know, up significantly over just the last few years combinated to two thousand and ten, and we're mortgaga our kids future. I you know, I feel really bad that I've been here now about eleven years and we've doubled the debt. So the bombcare is still in place, and we've doubled the debt. I don't feel like my time here has been particularly successful.

How's your daughter doing. She's great, she's three seven years old, she has she's given us two grandchildren. Um, she's actually a nurse practitioner, herself involved in all kinds of things. So hers is a ours is a incredibly uh happy ending story here doesn't always end that happy. What's beautiful. I'm glad to hear that about your daughter, you know, and you talked about you know, you ran in the midterm elections. There was this huge Tea party wave, this

very much you know, anti government sentiment. You know, we're saying government in a way that maybe we have never seen in our lifetimes or maybe not ever in the history of this country in terms of the abuse of power from government. Do you think we'll see something in the mid term elections, akin to the term elections, I

hope and pray that we do. One of my messages I travel around stay Wisconsin is I am pointing out that a real blind spot from standpoint of conservatives is the fact that, you know, we were so concerned the New Deal than the great society, you know, as big government just busted out of the constraints of the Constitution

and have gone way beyond the numerated powers. Conservatives pushed back on that, and we so we really concentrate all our efforts on what can we do to reign the federal government, and we completely lost focus, and I would say in many cases lost touch with the particularly local government UM. And let's face it, it's local government school boards, county boards, UM, city councils that you know still as as well as the vision of our funding father's government.

Close to the government has a great deal to influence our lives. And we're certainly seeing that with things like critical race theory. I keep reminding Republicans conservatives in Wisconsin, listen, if you don't want critical race theory taught to your children here in Wisconsin, you can hand it, you know, to go to school board meetings, demand that the school

board take critical race theory out of the curriculum. And then even better yet, because an awful lot of radical leftists around those school boards, replace them, run for office yourself. And so uh, I mean, I'm hoping conservatives are waking up to the fact that, you know, President Obama, we used to ridicule him as being a community organizer, right well, that community organizing, that relentlessness on the part of the left, you know, Sallyinsky, the fact that the radical left tic

over our university systems during the Vietnam War protests. Uh, they control colleges education, to control colleges of journalism, they control our culture. I'm actually amazed that there devious plans haven't come to fruition sooner than they have. But they're coming together right now, and that's why this is such a perilous moment for our nation. So yeah, I hope two is a significant pushback, uh, now that more Americans are kind of recognizing that Joe Biden is no moderate.

The Democrat Party, I don't think they have a moderate left in it. Um that they are. They are radical. And I'll leave on this note too, because I say this a lot um do you even like much less love of something you want to fundamentally transform. The analogy I use. I wake up in the morning. You look over my wife Jada, say Jane, I love you now, I'm gonna change everything about you. That one go over too well. OK, that but that is And again I

get accused of saying Democrats to all this country. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying they are electing leaders, the leaders of their party, the leaders of their movements. Don't like this country. It's obvious you don't like something you want to fundamentally transformed. I mean, they disdain so much that is America. Whereas conservatives, uh, we we fervently love this country. We know what made it

great individual liberty, uh. And that freedom so that we can dream and aspire and build and create this this marvel we call America. We get that, we understand that we don't want not perfect, but we know that in the spanning human history, this really is this country we call America something incredibly rare, incredibly precious, and something that we want. We want to do everything in our power to preserve it, to save it, to make sure that

it now we survives but thrives for future generations. I mean that's so, you know, you asked me why we ran two ten. That's why when I agree with you, But I would also say we need Republicans in Congress to step up. I mean, there aren't a lot of voices screaming about what's happening to some of the the individuals involved in January six, or raising the alarm the fact that you know there's now recommendation for two year

olds to wear masks, you know, in schools. I mean, just some of the ridiculousness we're saying, the distortion of their truth. Yet there are a lot of Republicans in Congress, not you. You've been standing up, but why haven't we heard more from your colleagues, Like why won't they step up to the plate. We need them, you know, to a certain standout. Let me paint with a nice brush, I can. It's about priorities. Um. You know, when you're United States Center, you're on at least three, if not four,

main committees, and then you've got subcommittees. And if you're gonna do a decent job, and you concentrate your time on those issues that are within the jurisdics of those committees, and so you can maybe lose sight some of the larger national trans the larger national stories that you know that the electorate is focusing on. I mean, they're not focusing on committee work that they're focusing on critical race theory.

They're focusing on the culture wars. So you can get kind of wrapped up in this dysfunctional institution and trying to do a good job in your committee assignments. Um, you know, I suppose a less generous evaluation that would be the fact that and I think this is not any breaking news here, but I always ask crowds, so what do you think the a motivation of most members of Congresses? You know it in Unison people said, well,

to get reelected. So when my colleagues see the road kill that it probably looks like I am after the media just rakes me over the coals relentlessly. I can certainly understand why somebody would not want to touch some of these issues or say some things I say, tell us on the truths that I that I tell why everyone want to touch out the ten foot pole. So I gotta ask you, are you running again? Having made that decision? What's going through your mind about it? All

kinds of things. Um, I want to make sure that this U S sentence seat is retained in Republican hands. Um. I mean you see what the media is doing to me. I may not be the best candidate. Um. So I mean, i'm I'm I wouldn't run if I don't think I could win, if I don't think I was the best person to be able to win. Um. Uh. This probably is an obscure reference to you. But Bud Grant was the coach of the Minnesota Vikings and retired I think

the age of fifty five. You know, the kind of the height of his success, even though he'd lost four Super Bowls. Um. But he but he held because he wanted to live a life. Um. This this is this is an incredibly frustrating place here. Um. Having come from the private sector, you know, run and run a business and successful business, being able to accomplish things when you just see the dysfunction as Washington see, I mean, it's it can be, it can be, it can be pretty frustrating.

But then at the same time, as I was saying earlier, you understand how rare and precious this country is and you realize that there are certain truths that had to have to be spoken. Uh, things they had to be said that if nobody else will say them. Um, maybe that's the role somebody asked to play. So there's there's you know, we said, there's so many things running through my mind quite honestly, um. And the good news, I

have plenty of time to decide. If you remember two thousand ten, Uh, I don't expect you even know this, but I did not even think about running for the United States Senate until after they passed Obamacare on on Christmas even two thousand nine. Uh. Finally made my decision to run after having talked to a few people over the months, at the very end of April, announced mid May, and ran about it, you know, five six month campaign that seemed to work out. Okay. So you know, I

think these campaigns are way too long. They spend way too much money. They put way too much money in the pockets of consultants. And it's primarily consultants that are pushing people like me to make decision right away so you can get out there and start raising all kinds of you know, oodles and rules of money for their benefit, not not for the benefit of the citizens. I mean people are not in the general public, the electorate is

not in campaign mode. I understand there's a ton of consideration, but I will say that we do need people like you in conquer sir. So I'll just leave it at that before moving on. But you you talked a lot about some of the mistruths that are out there, the source of the truth. Uh. We also talked about the

heavy hand of government. The White House recently said that the administration is identifying problematic posts for Facebook, working in conjunction with Facebook to essentially identify who's pushing out misinformation in their eyes and who needs to be censored. Where does this lead? Well, it's an Orwellian present. I mean this, you would they are big brother than now. Uh. Combination of the marriage of big tech with big government and

we've we've got big brother. It should frighten every American. You know what always what does always amaze me? And this even conservatives fall in the trap. So I was saying earlier, so many people focused on the federal government. Have you noticed the federal government is awful solving problems. They're they're great at mortgaging your children and grandchildren's future.

But they're terrible solving problems. Now, if they would focus on national defense, crying our board and the federal government could could be pre effective at what it does, but it's not very effective at doing almost anything. And if you just kind of stack up the list of things that have been said about COVID and able to shutdowns and just that, you know, Fauci's talking a out of both sides of their mouths and covering up their gain

function research. Why would anybody trust people like that? I mean, it's just you know, I just I don't quite get it. And so you know, from my standpoint, we are a very perilous time in terms of censorship, the combination of media and social media, uh, completely cooperating with one party and opposed to the other. Uh. I mean that's that's yep on one party totalitarian state. Quick commercial break and back with Senator Ron Johnson identifying quote unquote misinformation, I mean,

what does that even mean? You know, you made the point of the fact that we've seen flip flops from health officials like Dr Fauci, We've seen uh, we've seen censorship, but the lab leak theory that is now being presumed as credible just recently with the CDC director say that vaccinated people do not carry the virus or get sick.

Yet we have these House Democrats or these Democrats from Texas who claimed to be vaccinated, who have all now tested positive experiencing you know, mild symptoms or some level

of symptoms allegedly. So, I mean, the fact is, what is quote unquote misinformation when we've seen this evolving story about COVID, and that lies the problem because it seems like it's more about just protecting the Biden administration from anything that could be damaging or shutting down any descent that they don't like that could be damaging to the Biden administration. That's that's what it seems like it's about.

Well started out politicizing COVID to harm Trump so that they could elect whoever they wanted to elect and end up being Biden. Um. The you know, I'm I'm sixty six years old. As far back as i can remember, when you're talking about getting medical diagnosis, you've always been told we'll get a second opinion again because it's medical practice.

I mean, you know, doctors aren't gods. Uh, they're they're fallible, So you go and you seek different medical opinions during a pandemic in two thousand twenty one, versus we had something here there could have been a tool for phenomenal good.

The Internet an open source where these doctors that are grappling with a new disease and just not understanding it, putting people on ventilators and it's not helping, and and so you know, I saw very early on doctors who would you post five tene minute posts in terms of what they're seeing and what they're trying, you know, things

like cortico steroids. I put Dr Pierre Corey as a witness in in my Homeland Security Committee in May of two thousand twenty because his group was starting to look at cortical steroids the moment I heard and learned how to produce pronounce hydroxy chloric wine. Though, Man, if there's an existing drug that is in sufficient supply that we could repurpose that could be effective, whether anti inflammatory or

anti viral, or you know, for whatever. If there are drugs like that exist, man, that could be the silver bullet you could. You could end this pandemic before it even took off. You could stop it in his tracks, and then you just saw the censorship, the pushback on the part of people like Fauci's, even though hydrosta cork wine was in his bag of tricks for coronaviruses. I think back as far back as two US in five,

I mean, what what what was happening again? I could literally sit here for hours and tell you stories of my frustration of trying to push early treatment. Again. I'm agnostic in terms of what drug was this hydrafts corkin or ever, mecton, recycle, sporing or I mean, you know, decks and episode. I mean, there's all kinds of things that's a multi drug processes what we're determining right now. But the fact that these health care agencies and the

thoughts of the world completely ignored that. They did worse than ignore it. There were there were factions that were sabotaging research trials, not not allowing research to have independent review boards so they could get their results published. There was some really bad stuff that was happening in or

that happened and that is still happening today. I can't explain it all, um, But anyway, you had this Internet that could have been an exchange just a flourishing and exchange of different ideas, different theories of the case, different treatments, free flow of information that we could have honed in on, you know, what was working and what wasn't working, but big government didn't allow it to happen, Big tech didn't

allow it to happen. That, you know, all of a sudden you had to total line that there was only one opinion that could there was legitimate that that could

be communicated. Anything else was a labeled misinformation. At least I I have to sadly report that I personally believe tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people lost their lives that didn't have to lose their lives had the agencies had had media and social media not denigrated these alternate approaches but allowed the free flow of of of information and allowed doctors and patients access to FT approved drugs.

The doctors have a full right of off label prescription rights that they really weren't able to exercise because the CDC, the FDA said nope, didn't encourage it at all, and so hospital associations doctors they just wouldn't touch things like hydrox chlorice ira, mectin. There are two obvious reasons. One is, iver mectin hydrox chloric probably costs some summer on twenty dollars per treatment. Remdesseaviere, on the other hand, is over

three thousand dollars. And if you look at the veyor's report thirty one years of ivermectin and hydroxy chloricine, there there's maybe a couple of hundred of theirs reported deaths. Again, it doesn't prove causation, but over thirty one years, a couple of hundred with remdesse heere in you know, some around approximately twelve months, a little bit more than twelve months, there's all over a thousand veyors reported deaths, you know,

you know, associated after somebody's been adminstered uh remdesseviere. So, I mean, I don't get that, but so it could be the profit motive. But also, uh, it may be impossible or at least difficult to get an immersed use authorization of vaccine if they are effective treatments. Is that what was all about? I mean, obviously the facts of the world were completely focused on nothing other than a vaccine. Well, and you've recently you were criticized for holding a round

table with folks who had adverse reactions to vaccines. What were some of the stories that you heard that you highlighted during that round table, and then what was the response to you holding that event. Well, I've been talking about the safety signals that I think there's has been screaming at us four months now, and of course I get attacked and vilified for for using sees his own early warning system on safety and just talking to the numbers.

Always you with the caveat that you know, these numbers don't prove causation, but they certainly should be looked at. So, I mean, you've got things like death, You've got low playlists, you've got deep vein thrombosis, the clotting. Uh. But I was contacted by an ex Green Bay Packer Hall of Famer Ken Rutgers, and his wife suffered neurological symptoms, you know, a complete complete numbness in her face, you know, like you just got an ovcaine shot and just never never

comes out of it. Uh. They couldn't get help. I mean, there were no doctors would would even consider the fact that that might have been caused by the vaccine, although she was perfectly healthy. Gets a vaccine and then all of a sudden, she's experiencing these symptoms. Well, they started searching for help on the internet, got connected to a couple of different Facebook groups totally about two thousand people like them, and some of these women. And there it

was interesting because very very high percentage were women. UM but paralysis completely, loss of legs, loss of bladder control, um numbness, total numbers from the neck on down. Uh. Now, some of them have recovered. But another common symptom neurological harm that they believe it's caused by the vaccine. Severe inner vibrations I means so severe that to the women in their group have already committed suici. I. They simply can't tolerate that. They don't want to live with that

condition anymore. Now they look perfectly normal. So yeah, we had. You know, little Maddie twelve years old when she participate in the Fightser trial of twelve to fifteen year olds, so obviously perfectly healthy. Uh literally thin days she was suffering symptoms. She can't eat now, she has to have

a g I tube. She she is in a wheelchair. Um, you know, these are serious, serious issues here, but she literally her doctors were her parents were once seeing you're away from committing her to a mental ward before they realize exactly with what the doctors are asking them to do. So they're not being taken seriously by the vast majority of people in the health care industry because everybody wants the vaccine to succeed, So do I we want this pandemic over so not, so very few people are willing

to consider there may be some issues with it. And so the CDC, N I, h f D is not taking seriously. The the drug companies aren't at all. I mean, you think you know, particularly you know Maddie who participated that trial, you know DH or bre who participating in the askedros ectica. You think those companies be standing behind him, that cast him aside. They don't. They don't want to hear from him. They don't want to hear about problems.

And so when I heard their stories, uh in about an hour and a half long zoom call, filled with a lot of tears, they were just asking to be seen, heard, and believed. So I can't really do anything about the belief part, but I can stantly help them be seen and heard, And so I just put on a form in Milwaukee with Ken Rutgers. You know, he would have drawn some attraction as a former Green Bay Packers star.

So we had to, you know, for the women tell their stories, and the mother and then Maddie tell their story. I mean, just they did a great job. They laid it out. I don't see how any human being could have been totally sympathetic. I opened up the questions, and the questions are right away attacking me. It's like it was. It was just an unbelievable reaction. And of course, the next day in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and I think about a dozen other Wisconsin newspapers, you know, above the

fold front page, my picture with the label fundamentally dangerous. Okay, um and and really and and let me just concluded on this one. The reason they want to be seen and heard is they're not going to get effect or treatment if the medical community isn't even willing to consider that the root cause of their symptoms just might be

the vaccine. Right as well as they would like to see other people not be harmed if you can determine some prexisting conditions, you know, for example, and this is where I got engaged in this debate is you know, because I had COVID and I was asked by reporter when we didn't have enough vaccine for everybody whether or not I've been vaccinated, and said, no, I I had COVID. I probably have as good, if not better, immunity than anybody's gonna get vaccinated. And besides, we have enough vaccines,

so others get vaccinated. First. Of course I was immediately labeled an anti vaxxer well, and of course all this gets concerning when you know, we have this massive push for people to get vaccinated, Biden saying they're going to go door to door. You look at countries like France, They're now mandating vaccines to go out to eat at restaurants,

in movie theaters. So this all becomes concerning when it starts to become mandatory, when there's any element of risk involved, Americans should be able to have a full understanding of full assessment of what risks. And then also, not every individual in the country is at risk either. I mean, if you're not elderly, if you don't have comorbidities, you're

not particularly at risk statistically, particularly teenagers and youngers. So it starts to become sort of concerning and obscene for this, there would be this increased pressure for these individuals who don't have a high risk profile of COVID to then be mandated to get any sort of vaccine. Listen, I'm pro vaccine. I've gotten every flu shot, sens to swine flue, I'm up todating all my other vaccines um, and I'm

a big support of operational warp speed. And I'm glad that you know, dollars have been a mystery in the vast majority without instant Okay, but it creeps me out that the government is just you're wanting to push a vaccine in everybody's arm, even those people that don't need it. I mean, one thing we know about COVID is it is not uniformly dangerous. It's dangerous if you're elderly, it's

dangerous if you have certain co morbidities. But if you're extremely young, if you're a very young child, it's been pretty well established that you ought to be more concerned about the flu than you are about COVID. So it is just creeping me out. I'll tell you when when Joe Biden made his first address the nation, and he just he looked in the camera and he just, you know, so fervently trust Dr Fauci, you trust the federal government. Sorry, uncle Joe, I'm not signing up for that program. I

don't trust him. Um So, No, it's it's creeping. It's creeping me out because it's it's not rash. You know, this pushed to mass mass vaccinate everybody, even those that have had COVID, or even those that really have very little risk of any kind of serious impact from if they get COVID. It just doesn't make sense, particularly with a vaccine that is not fully approved. It's under immerse use observation. And Alsie also have to understand. I'm that

I am the champion right to try. I'm the guy that said that the empty is too slow in too many cases that it ought to be an individual's right. Once you have a drug that's already been approved, it has gone through the safety phase, but it doesn't hasn't made gone from through phase to or phase three, yet that still should be the patient's right to try that and not have government you now you can't even try it.

Now we just flip that on his head and I we're saying we've got a vaccine that's only gone through phase one. But we're gonna make sure that everybody gets in their arm and and we're gonna encourage employers to mandated in colleges to mandate it. Throw a crossing the winds in case somebody gets injured. Don't worry about the lawsuits that we're gonna necessarily support the trial lawyers from filing against you. This is insane what is happening right now.

And when things don't make sense to me, I started asking a lot of questions, but I get attacked for being inquisitive. We're We're not supposed to ask questions anymore. We're just supposed to listen to Faucci. Trust big government, trust big media. Don't get a second opinion. There's only one opinion accounts, and is that of the federal government.

You've come to the right place, because that's the whole point of my podcast is asking questions that people aren't asking and trying to get to the bottom of some of these critical issues. Do you think we will have vaccine passports in the country? Do you think we're heading in that direction? Or is that even plausible? Can the government mandate that? It's very plausible I mean, I'm I

hate saying it's probably likely. Um, you know what you know, Mike, Mike current short term goal is to just persuade the FDA and the CDC not too short circuit approval process, you know, the phase two, phase three, those called the observational phases. You have to observe you know what what what is it? What's happening with the drug once it's been a ministry Okay, I mean, you have short term impacts, but you also can have long term impacts. You can

substitute for time in the observational trials. If you want to know what the long term impact is of a Drugger vaccine, you need the time to study it. And there's this big push now to get these vaccines approved, you know, by the end of August or wherever. People are saying, you know why, you've got an emergency use outhormization. Anybody that wants a vaccine can get it, So why

this rush? I mean the only conclusion is they want they want to make it easier, for example, for the military to mandate it too to the finest among us. They want to make it easier to to vaccinate children, I mean little children. Then there's there's there's really no benefit for them because there's really no risk of COVID

or you know, such an infantensible risk of COVID. But but there is there is risk the vaccine, by the way, but that's what I just got four pinocchios with Washington Posts for saying that you know that there's risk to the vaccine. There's risk to every vaccine. Well, give it six months. That's typically the lag time when people start wakening up and realizing the truth, so that it seems

to be the case. Whether it's the Russia collusion, you give it a few months, truth comes out, Russia bounties a few months comes out, COVID came from the lab, a few months starts you know, so this this that tends to happen. So I think a few months down the road, people will start waking up and realizing that

they weren't told the full truth. Again, you know, my parents vaccinate to make sense for them their higher risk, but we're talking about not everyone has the same risk profile and their fortunld be dated to get a vaccine they don't need. Uh that again potentially could end up in side effects. And then secondly it's not fully approved or potentially rushed to improve. But I also want to talk about January six or uh so the Capitol Police and the dj have refused to release something like four

thousand hours of footage. There's a select group of lawmakers that have access to the footage. You and your staff have flagged some interesting parts of the footage happening around the two thirty three pm Eastern time mark at the upper West terrorist doors. What did you guys flag and why is that important? Well? I am highly concerned about

the unequal administration of justice. UM. We've also sent to some of my colleges, and I sent a letter to Merrick Garland, uh, just asking questions, how are you treating people who breached the capital, that committed acts of violence on January six versus you know the summer rioters, you know where we had two billion dollars with property damage. Well, in access to five riots, eight thousand protests, but five hundred plus riots. Uh, I've seen the figures highest two

thousand law enforcement officers injured during those riots. A couple of dozen people uh in some way shape form losing their lives during those things. But we're supposed to forget all that. So I'm highly concerned about the unequal administration justice. So what I've asked my staff to do is go review the videotape because I think it's importantly we have a complete reconstruction of what happened outside and inside the capitol.

You know, I was the guy that entered J. Michael Waller's very detailed I witness account of what he witnessed out on the west side of the Capitol. And J. Michael Waller is a professor of political uh not terrorism, political whatever, but he's he's a very knowledgeable observer political warfare um, and he's a very knowledgeab observer went to j anywhere six just to observe and he wrote his fourteen page account before he listened to any news account.

So it's just just a totally unvarnished it's just like, this is what I saw. I entered in the record, and you know, the chairwoman Culbture gets out, you know, comes out of hearing and says, oh, here's Senator Johnson entering conspiracy theories in our our hearing record. Right away. J. Michael Rawler's account is standing the test of time. Here, I pushed back, there weren't there were not thousands of armed insurrectionists there weren't that. That's not what an armed

instruction would look like. Okay, So I wanted my my staff to go take a look at that. And there's no doubt about it. You know, I've seen the repugnant, the repulsive acts of violence, the racial slurs. I mean, I condemned it that day, I condemn it repeatedly. But you know, there there are a bunch of people that walked into that capital, no violence whatsoever. Um. Again, wasn't smart for them to do that, but they did. Um. You know, my own state capital in Madison, it was

overrun by liberals. But that's okay. You can you can go inside a state capital if you're a liberal and you occupy it for days or weeks, and this is not a problem. But boy, you don't come into the America to the you know, America's people's house. Uh, or you're a domestic terrorist. But anyway, so, uh, I don't long answer to your question, but I have my staff review this footage and they noticed in that that West Terrace door that uh, somebody first tried to get out

that door and couldn't. It was locked. A couple minutes later, uh, capitol police directed somebody to leave the capital through that door. They opened up the door and more than three people streamed in. Then no violence, no confrontation, just like the door is open, come on in, which is a Again that's a different aspect of the story, a different perspective. It's it's part of the story that ought to be told. So I have no idea what the legal jeopardy those

three hundred individuals were in. But but we've again we've also seen just cell phone video of the insurrectionists. I'm you know, I'm saying that with air quotes staying within the rope lines in the rotunda. Again, that's that's now what an armed insurrection would look like, as repugnant, as repugnant as the violence was, particularly why I was called the inauguration tunnel on the west side of the Capitol. Again,

I condemned that. But that's not the whole story. There's actually a much bigger story of tens of thousands of protesters that that were peaceful, that they're you know, of the eight hundred plus people inside the capitol, some of them just walked in, some of some of them behaved themselves, some of them viewed it is, Hey, this is the people's house. I've every right to be here, Okay. Um. But then they were, as J. Michael described, there were

some determined groups that we're the adectators of the provocateurs. Uh. But you know, here we are six months later, and like nobody's talking, we don't have access to the people that are in the jails. Um. You know they haven't gone on on trial yet. The Summer protesters, they are all let out on bail or let out without even bail. Boy, if you participate in January six, you're sitting. You're sitting in the d c J right now, twenty three hours a day, and yourself. We've got Paul Hodgins who just

received an eight months sentence engaged in no violence. But he was wearing a Trump T shirt and holiday Trump flag, so apparently that was enough for them to sentence him to eight months. Did you ever get a response from Attorney General Eric Marck Garland when you and your colleagues sent him a letter, no, no, and and uh, I remember I Speed and Christopher Ray and was pretty well

stiff armed by him as well. So uh, certainly I write those oversight letters hoping the agencies will respond, don't hold my breath, but I hope to create some public pressure so they at least respond to a certain extent to the public, because I think the public has right to know what's pulling off in our justice department, and and do we even have something close to the equal administration justice stab Look at Hunter Biden, you have satan, No,

we don't. What also seems I that you have Congress under the guys of trying to get to the truth, the left wanting to, you know, run a January six commission, but there's no pressure on getting out those hours of footage. You think if your intent was truly to get to the bottom of the truth, wouldn't transparency be the best policy. Well, again, you're assuming that leaders and Congress want to get the truth out. One of the things I keep pointing out

the thousands of armed insurrections. The reason that is pushed so hard, quite honestly, on both sides of the aisle to a certain extent, is it works well. I mean, it works well for the news media who hate Trump supporters, it works well for Democrats who hate Trump supporters, But it also works well for congressional leadership. That we're responsible for capital security. Um if if if literally the capital

is overrun by thousands of armed insurrections. I mean, no security plan could have possibly contemplated that, and it could have been in place to prevent the breach. You know, J Michael Lawler and his expert testimony or his eyewitness account, he said he strolled up the west side of capital, there wasn't a police person visible. But one thing we learned in Kenosha, where because of Trump's leadership, we snuffed those riots out pretty fast once the governor finally agreed

to let Trump and other people helped them. Now, you over you provide a lot of manpower to have dangerous situation and it doesn't end up being so dangerous you end up not having riot. So he didn't end up not having a breach. So I can't I can't get an answer to the question I've had. Were said, Well, I mean we're there, are there like like pre planned uh security postures, and you know, so for inauguration? Is this kind of what we always do for you know,

a Supreme Court vote? I mean, is this what we do for uh, you know, calling the electoral College votes? Is this what we do you joint session. I mean, you know, are there like a dozen different pre planned security postures. They won't even ask me that question much. Let's tell me what was planned, what kind of security posture they are in? All I can say it was

completely inadequate based on the circumstances. Knowing that, knowing full well they're gonna be tens of thousands of people protesting and protesting outside the capital, you'd think we'd have had better and more visible security, but we didn't. So I do have to add the the line officers, I mean, the people that that fought the battles. They did an exemplary job of keeping members Congress safe uh and and responding.

They were failed by their leadership, by congressional leadership, by not having a plan, not having adequate personnel there present to prevent whatever should happen. That the capital never should have been breached. Quick break more resentator Ron Johnson. Journalist Glenn Greenwald recently tweeted that the reality is liberals wanted domestic warrant terror. They want the CIA, N s A, and FBI to reveal their political adversaries, arrest them, treat

them like terrorists. January six is the key to it. Do you agree with that statement? And is that where this is heading? You know? And I do, And I'll tell you why. As as chairman Holman Security, for the last couple of years, my my ranking member had been had been Garry Peters. Now he's chairman the committee. We would hold our annual threat hearings with Christopher Ray and had the National Current Terrorism Center, Um, you know, we

would hold those hearings. And of course I'm concerned about cybersecurity, and I'm concerned about E m P and g m D and the unsecure boarder. I'm I'm concerned about the things that really represent a threat to this country. And Peters just want to talk about white supremacism, white supremacists. I'm going again, I don't condone white supremacist you know, I want them monitor. I want to make sure that they don't great acts of violence just like Islama Islami's terrorists.

But what was this focus for like a couple of years as my ranking member, is always about white supremacist I just I never understood, you know. I signed a couple of letters with them, you know, trying to get you know, to what extent is the FBI track and I'm saying, I'm happy to, you know, keep an eye on these guys, but I just don't think this is the greatest threat to our democracy. One of the reasons, by the way, I'm pretty ticked off about at the

breachers is they've just given the Democrats this ammunition. Okay, so now it's blown up into the greatest threat faces nation, which I still don't believe. By the way, Um, I know there's a certain statistics statistics based on what they consider mass murders. You know, more of those that are committed by white supremacist than by Islamis Islamist terrorists, but you're still talking, uh, a small number versus what you see murders in the inner city with drug deals and

gangs and all that kind of stuff. So again, it's just so so yes, I agree with Glenn Greenwald. There is this push on the part of Democrats that's also the narrative of thousands of arms insurrections. They want to paint a broad brush the semi five million Americans that voted for Donald Trump are somehow suspected domestic terrorists that have given a chance, they also would engage in an arms insurrection to overthrow the government when it's quite honestly,

the exact opposite is true. I mean, Trump supporters, conservatives, tea pot folks. We love this country. We know it's not perfect. We want to preserve it. We want to save it. Okay, it's the left. They want to fundamentally transform it. They're the ones who want to overthrow the current order and replace it with some utopian vision of a socialist system that will end in in sorrow trust me, and totalitarianism and mass murder. That's what happens with socialist

totalitarian regimes. Well, and the capital. Please, so they're they're not subject to FOIA requests. Um, they won't release the name of the who've shot Ashley Babbitt. They also, along with the d J, are not releasing you have tens of thousands or four thousand hours of footage. Yet they're expanding field offices to Florida and California. Is that necessary and why are they doing that? No, they should not

do it. They ought to concentrate on the mission that they failed at on January six, which is providing an adequate security, having planned security postures prior to these events. Uh, there's no need whatsoever. Now they're saying, well, there's the there's increased stress against members of Congress. Um, it's it's it's a very unfortunate fact of life. When you serve here,

you get threats. Okay, but it should be the responsibility of states to provide security for their elected representatives, not some national or federal police force. You know, we have enough federal police forces that are surveilling Americans. Uh, whether it's the n s A, I mean, surveilling Tucker Carlson or whatever happened to Cheryl Atkinson. I think we have

enough federal intrusion into our lives right now. I would much rather leave security of members of Congress up to the states to send them here to Washington, c to represent them. And I talked to Tucker about that last week in the podcast, and you're fascinating what they're doing to him and also very terrifying as well. Do you do you think is it Congress is supposed to rein in the n s A. Is that something that needs to happen when Republicans retain or retain power if they

gain back power. Yes, I mean this is where I'll say, you know, the Mike Leaves and the Rand Falls were right and I was wrong on the fives the court when when we were renewing that, you know, we would talk to fives judges and they'd always say, no, show me an instance where we've uh undermined the constitution rights of one American and you know, we couldn't show them anything. So yeah, we kind of felt these are solid patriots

and they're going to follow the law. And of course we found out in the corrupt FBI investigation that they didn't follow the law and that the you know, it's certain levels of the Just Department, the FBI is thoroughly corrupt. So yeah, they have to be reined in. I don't think there's any doubt about that. I want to get to the Reconciliation before bill before um, you know, I know you've got a busy day, but so what do you think. You know, obviously they're allegedly trying to find

some bipartisan deal, which is obviously completely bogus. They want to use the Reconciliation Bill because it means they can do what they want on a party line basis. What do you think is going to end up in that Reconciliation bill? It looks like potentially amnesty climate measures and fossil fuel with which will be devastating to the economy. Also potentially, you know, one of the largest tax increases in history. What are you hearing that could be in it?

And what do you what do you think? What are your expectations of it? Well, unless Chuck Schumer fires the parliamentarian and puts in somebody that does exactly as bidding, they will have a hard time, uh, passing through reconciliation some of these policy things that really aren't related to a budget reconciliation dealing with revenue and spending. But the revenue and spending things will be problematic enough. I mean,

they're going to increase people's taxes. They'll they'll they'll be taxing exactly what we need more of, which is growth and success, and so we'll get less of it. And then I mean, they're gonna completely out of control spending, and they'll do it in a way that is gonna dramatically under account for how much spending their really passing. So, my guests, what they'll do is they'll start creating all kinds of new entitlements. Now they won't call them entitlements.

They will sunset them after two or three years, so that it gets a very gets a much smaller score than entitlement that's going to continue on infinitum um, so that that would be the game they're they're gonna play. I think they did that to a certain stand the Cooper relief package. So that's what Democrats do. They will lay in uh programs that again, receiving government benefits is always popular and everybody loves getting free money, and so

it's almost impossible to repeal one. Something like that has been set up so that would be my guest. I mean, I have no idea. I led an effort that we did a press release last Thursday. I think we had a nine eleven Republican senators joined myself from Rick Scott had led the effort kind of pushing back on the

bipars and Infrastructure bill. You know, now that we know that the Democrats are absolutely dedicated to a reconciliation package about three point five trillion dollars, you know, our point, my point has always been to the set that you pull infrastructure out that three point five trillion, they'll still pass something a three point five trillion, They'll just backfill it with the entitlement programs with more welfare programs, you know, more more dependency on government. So I don't know why

any Republican would support that. Uh, we're all for infrastructure, but there's a really easy way of having a fiscally sound approach to spending money infrastructure, and that would be to repurpose the seven billion dollars of the partisan one nine trillion dollar cover relief package that doesn't even get spent until obviously not COVID relief. That money I would just be resended for that purpose and repurposed for true infrastructure.

It would be about seven billion dollars out would be more than enough that that should be the republic Conference position. I can't tell you how frustrated I am that it's not what are you seeing at the border? We've got I think there was something like a hundred eighty eight thousand, eight hud illegal immigrants stopped in June. We're seeing crossings, a one year high increase from last year. What do your what do you see and what are your concerns

with all that? Well, Lease, it's it's what we don't see that is most concerning. So we see the numbers, they apparently because because we don't have video to go along with it, not much of it other than you know what, eighteen of us we went down there and we took pictures of the down of cility. But if you don't have a video only, you don't have a crisis here in America. So the Biden administration has gotten very efficient at processing and dispersing and keeping the press

at bay. Of course the presses particularly uh inquisitive either. But what you're not seeing is the depredations of the human that the human traffickers are imposing on the migrants. You know, the rapes, the involuntary servitude, the beatings, the kidnappings,

uh and calling for more ransom. So it's so it's not just the human traffickers get the you know, six to trafficking feed that they also if there's somebody with any kind of means with people upt in Central America, I mean, they'll kidnap them, they'll beat in the video, take the beatings, and extract more ransom, extortion pay out of out of the relatives are still in Central America. So we don't see that. We don't see the gotaways that are that are unknown. We don't see all the

additional rugs flowing in this country. We don't. We don't see the gang members. You know, I raised this issue last week that when you hear uncompanied children, I mean, don't we all think of will two and three year olds of uncompanied children are fifteen or older and their mail. So that's exactly who the drug traffickers use to traff through their drugs. Because if a miner gets caught, they don't get prosecuted. They don't they don't spend a hard

time in jail because they're they're miners. And so we don't see that. You know, we don't see the women who get put into the sex trade and they can't escape it. We don't see that. And it's exactly what Biden and Harris are are counting on the fact that we won't we can't see it, the press won't report it, and so the full standards crisis as bad as six thousand people a day, that's what we're talking about, six

thousand people day being apprehended. And when they end Title forty two, those all those six thousand people, virtually all of them will be dispersed into all corners of America, and the federal government won't tell the states. They won't tell the cities, they'll just show up. And if you've got un a company of children that are gang members again, gangs, it's just all under the radar, right, But the murders

happening within our inner cities uh out of control. Do you think there are enough Republicans to stand up against any sort of embassy bill? That's that's kind of a Hypothetical's hard to answer. You know, I'll tell you I'm one person that I would like to take care of the doctor children. It's not it's not your fault. When you're two years old you get brought over by your parents that that's to a certain extent, that's our fault. That we've had open borders and we've we've enticed them

to come into this country. But you can't even begin to dress that and tell you secure the border. And that's what sort of pressing about what Biden did is we were so close to taking the first step and really trying to solve our immigration. The issue here is you got to first cure the border. So we had the flow of uncompied children family units pretty well stopped, and we were in the final stages of building a wall that would have been pretty darn effective, and Biden

blew that all up. So here we are back to square zero. We have a completely out of control nothing ever like this before in terms of an illegal flow. It's out of control. And that's the first thing you need to do if you want to address the doctor kids, if you want to stand up a a a functioning legal immigration system. We need legal immigrants, we just do. I mean, we need an increased labor force, which we

don't have. It's gonna be a real hamper to our economic growth, the fact that we don't have enough labor in this country. To see, I got to disagree with you on data because you know, as you just said, we have teenagers coming over age fifteen and older and then and how do you identify it the age someone entered into the country. I'm not saying there aren't problems, it's it's it's not an easy thing. We just do it, Okay,

It's a very difficult, complex situation. Okay, but you know you also have to recognize the fact that you've got and no, no, you know, the the M. I. T. Yale study set is somewhere between I think they said between sixteen and thirty million or twenty million people in this country, so they pegged it about twenty two, which is at least double what you always hear at a rand. We have a huge problem of people uh here without documentation in this country uh illegally that I would suggest

needs to be addressed. But again, you can't address it until you actually fix the assyling laws so they can't be exploited and we actually have a secure border and we are so far from that right now. Um, it's I mean, it's just a shame. Yes see. I just don't think I think any Annessey leads to increase problems that we've continued to see. So I'm against it all personally. But one last question before we go, and I shade all the time you've sent with me today. Will the

filipbuster lasts until the mid terms? That totally depends on Kierson, Cinneama and Joe Mansion. Um, I pray for their health and their integrity to honor the promise they've made that they're going to honor the filibuster there. I can't remember the exact number, some thirty five Democrats senators that joined Susan Collins while we were in control guarantee, you know, pledging not to blow up the filibuster. Uh you see see that when they signed the name, the paper is

really not worth anything. Um So Yeah, Personally, Kierson Cinnama and Joe Manson are the two most powerful centers right now. I don't know why they'd want to give that up, but they're gonna come under tremendous pressure. So um, I hope So, I mean if we if we lose the filibuster, it's really awful. Senator. I appreciate you joining the show, and I commend you for your fight for the truth. I know sometimes it's lonely going it alone when so

many engaging group thinks. So I admire your truth telling and your fight. So thank you for that, and thank you so much for making so much time for me. I really appreciate you joined the Truth with Lisa Booth. I appreciate the aptunity every day. Yeah what did they acceptor Ron Johnson again for a fascinating interview and more importantly for being a truth teller. And I want to thank you guys at home so much for listening. If you enjoyed today's show, please leave us for review and

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