Calling Balls and Strikes with Clay Travis

it to Fox for a lot of money. So you know, he's doing pretty well in the financial department, I'll tell you that much. But before he got into to all the media stuff, he was an attorney. He's written best selling books. I mean, the guy has just done so much. But he's also hilarious. He's incredibly smart, and he's not afraid to take a controversial opinion if that's what he believes. So this is gonna be a really fun and interesting conversation.

We're gonna talk about a whole host of things for him, his media career to the insanity of today's world. I'm gonna ask him because he is also a filthy unvaccinated person like myself. I'm gonna ask him is he lighting up to get his monkey pocks shot soon? Because you know that's the next big thing. We're also going to talk about dudes pretending they're girls and playing in women's sports. How does that change sports? We're gonna talk about all

this critical race theory and woke stuff in sports as well. Also, Joe Biden get his take on the most disastrous administration maybe in American history. He's a history buff, so we're going to ask him about that again. Clay Travis the co host of The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, hugely successful, super interesting. This is going to be a great conversation. Buckle up and I hope you enjoy the ride. So play, I was looking for your bio. How many

jobs do you have right now? So I saw you co host the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show, which is massive, you know, nationally syndicated all across the country. You founded out Kick, Fox, bet Live, Fox News. Am I am I missing anything else? Um? I would probably say the most difficult one is uh dad of three? Um, so three relatively young kids, meaning that you know they're not completely out in the world on their own. No,

I mean I think that's it. You know. I I've run out kick, which is a website one of the biggest uh you know, sports uh issue websites in the country. Uh. Got the biggest radio show in the country, do a lot of hits on Fox News. Fox bet Live is in its fourth year. That's a sports gambling show. I guess I could add, uh. You know, I do travel

for college football. I'm on the road for fourteen or fifteen straight weeks for the Fox uh Sports Big Neon Kickoff Show, which is on every Saturday morning, UM on the main Fox network affiliate. Uh and uh yeah. So so that there's a lot of different jobs out there. I love them, but it means every day sometimes feels like a whirlwind. And then, like I said, at least I've got a fourteen year old, I've got an eleven

year old, and I've got a seven year old. Uh. So, for instance, during tomorrow's radio show, I was talking to Buck off the air and I'm like, hey, my kids had a half day. They finished school tomorrow, UM, and I was like, I want to duck out for you know, thirty minutes of the radio program to go be able to pick him up at the end of their school year, which is kind of a big deal. So so yeah, balancing guys, I got a seven year old little league

championship game tonight. Um, so that's on the horizon tonight. But see, that's awesome that you do that, because you know, my dad was always successful. It worked really hard, but family was always first. And he's never missed anything that was important. Like I played sports scoring up he you know, and I did travel league for field hockey and you know, lacrosse and all that stuff, and he always he was my coach for basketball, and he never is a single game.

And I think that's something that probably stands out to me with him as my dad than anything else. Have just always being present. So I think that's really cool that you make time despite the fact that you know you've got all these huge jobs in front of you. Yeah. I mean, I think the question is it's great to

have success in your career. Um, But ultimately, if your kids don't think you're doing a good job as a dad or a mom, I would find it really hard to be that pleased with any kind of success you might have in your professional endeavors. So UM. I also just think it kind of puts everything into perspective. I mean, every day I give my opinion on a huge variety of subjects. UM. People can agree or disagree with it.

But I've talked with my wife, was one of the first people to diagnose this, like, I've fortunately never been to therapy, and she said, the reason why you don't need therapy is because you get to say exactly what you think for three hours every day and then at the end of the day like you have no weight

on your shoulders. And it's why I do think I have kind of the best job in America because I feel like there is such and I know you know this to Lisa, a huge percentage of people out there that have jobs where they don't feel like they can say what they really think. And that's why the number one thing that I hear from people when they come up to me what I'm out about, is thank you

for saying what you say. I agree with a lot of what you say, but I don't feel like I can be public in the same way that you are, UM. And that's why I feel like we have such a privilege to be able every single day to share our our opinions on a wide variety of topics that are of most significance in the world. Well, very blessed and

and and especially increasingly in today's society. As you mentioned, I mean, people legitimately could be fired from their jobs if if they talk about their actual opinions, especially if they're conservatives. So how do you you know your dad? How do you explain today's society to your kids? Yeah, I mean it's a it's a serious Uh, it's a

serious question. Um. And so so first of all, I say to my kids, and I think this is a good advice anyway, I mean, judge dad as they get older, based entirely on how I do as a dad, because I have kind of a non traditional job and as you get older, people are going to say positive or negative things about me. But that doesn't really should never impact what you think of me, because my job with you is to be a dad and my profession doesn't matter. But what I tell my kids is, uh, I want

you to Uh. There's there's a great piece of advice that that I picked up on and it sounds simple, but when I was a kid, one of my idols it was Davy Crockett because I'm a big history buff and Davy Crocketts from Tennessee, and I live in Tennessee and obviously grew up here, And Davy Crockett's life motto was be sure you're right and then go ahead. Um. And by the time I share any opinion publicly, I have worked through and I think it helps to have

a legal background. All of the different angles of an argument. I could flip and argue the opposite side as good or better than almost anybody who is going to attack me for my opinions. Um. And that's because I've thought through everything, and I just want my kids to be

confident enough. And I'll give you a little analogy. Um. Last year, I guess it was maybe two years ago, my youngest kid, who was in kindergarten at the time, was playing baseball for the first time, and they were teaching them the basis, and you know, here's first base, second base, third base, home plate pictures now like all the different positions on the field, and the question was

where is uh where is the pictures mound? And all the kids happened to run to home plate, like every single kid went to home plate except my son who was five and went to the pictures now, uh, And I loved that, and I hope it's a metaphor for his life as he becomes older. He was confident enough that he knew what the pictures mound was, that he

didn't follow everybody rushing to home plate. And I feel like a lot of our culture, Lisa, is people who aren't confident enough in their own opinions that they just follow wherever the herd goes. And so I'm trying to teach my boys what I think is one of the most important lessons in all of life, which is think for yourself and don't spend a lot of time looking over your shoulder to see whether or not people are

following you. Just make the right decision. And you know that that little metaphor of learning the positions on the baseball field and being willing to go where everybody else was not. You know this, Lisa, A lot of people would rather be wrong and be covered by the masses than be wrong and be standing out by them selves, where you become a target. And I think you have

to be comfortable with people calling you out. And certainly in my industry, I was like the only person in the world of sports who was saying, hey, we can play COVID safely. Kids are not gonna die if they get to play Little League baseball. Um. It was a lot uh safer to be a part of the herd who was saying, oh my god, we've got to cancel everything. But those people were wrong, um. And I would have

owned it if my opinion had been wrong. And it was a significant thing to argue that, hey, kids need to be in school, and kids don't need to be wearing masks, and we need to be able to play every sport. Um. But I think being confident in my own opinion and analyzing all the data and everything else was what made me comfortable to stand outside of the herd. Uh, like my kid did when he was in you know, kindergarten learning all the different positions on the field. No,

you must have been a proud dad with that. And I was very lucky because both my parents taught me to be independently minded. My I was an attorney as well, so I don't know if it's sort of that similar mindset that he taught me to sort of game through everything and to think for myself and to speak freely. So it's very fortunate to have been raised by them, as as your parents seemed to be fortunate to have

been raised by you and teaching them this thinking. But you know to your point, Yeah, during COVID, I mean we saw such group think. And you know, I kind of stuck my neck out there with the vaccines as well, because just like you, I was looking through the data. A lot of it didn't make sense what we're hearing on you know TV. What we were reading did not make sense throughout the entirety of COVID. But uh, you know even more so with the vaccines, and I saw

that you are also a filthy unvaccinated person. Are you lining up to get Are you lining up to get your monkey pocks shot? Anytime soon? I? Um, you know this is uh. I I just am so fired up about the idea that we've ever required anybody to get these COVID shots and cost people their jobs. Um No, I never got I Look, I got COVID in November of twenty the first time, the alpha version, and then I got the remix ohm crow On version in uh

in January of this year. And um so when I got the when I got knew that I had natural immunity. I knew that all the data reflected uh, prior to delta and omicron and everything else, that there was no basis to require me to get the COVID shot, that it was worthless. Um. And so not only have I made that decision for myself, but I'm not going to get my kids the COVID shot right, Um, you know, if they become college age or have to do it

for school related reasons when they're uh you know, getting older. Maybe, but my seven year old and my eleven year old, Um, I think that's crazy. Uh. And so yeah, I was comfortable uh standing out against that. I felt like I needed to speak out for a lot of people who didn't have that option necessarily because I was fortunate. I've got a home studio, I've got the ability to do

things out of my house. Um. You know, if I was a teacher and I needed to make a mortgage payment or I needed to take care of my kids or a police officer or something like that, I think I would have had to do it right. Because most people aren't independently wealthy enough, which is why when did Joe Biden's in the world say, Hey, this mandatory vaccination work. Yeah, of course you know. And also by the way, holding a gun at someone and demanding their cash out of

their wallet it works. That doesn't make it right, um. And so so that that was another example I thought of making a decision that was right for me personally uh, based on my own health parameters, but also was a lot different for a lot of people didn't have that option, and I felt like being one of the people who was willing to stand up for them was important. Quick commercial break more with Clay Travis on the other side.

Do we engage in groups think as a society more today or was it just more pronounced during COVID because of the fears. I think we do it more now, um. And I think the reason why we do it more now is social media UH based siically demands a consensus opinion, because if you don't have a consensus opinion, then the people who are a part of the consensus opinion will come after you and try to tear you apart. And I think that has led more people to be afraid.

And it can be people who are in public figure positions like us, or people on Facebook or Instagram or Twitter or wherever it is. UM. I think there is a rush to consensus, and I think that was epitomized by COVID, where I think we rushed to the worst possible consensus opinion rather than actually look at the data and allow that to to lead us, because I think COVID, beyond the shadow of a doubt, the way that we responded in the country is our biggest public policy failure

since Vietnam. And what they both have in common is all of the experts told us we had to do Vietnam, go to war, or else communism would continue to spread and go everywhere, and we were told we have to lock down or else COVID's going to overwhelm us and overall the hospitals. And I think both of those consensus opinions are the most disastrous of the last you know, seventy years of American life. Well, I mean it definitely tested society, tested people, tested her institutions, tested if we're

even a constitutional republic. And also just seeing where you know, some leaders in the country want to take us, take us more to tyranny, but you know a lot of people are afraid to speak out because they were worried about getting trouble was getting in trouble. As you pointed out, I mean you've spoken out in support of ESPN broadcaster

Stage Steel. She's following a lawsuit against the network because she was sidelined because she made comments against her her company's vaccine policy, just making a different point of view than some people on the network we're espousing, and it landed her into a lot of trouble. Talk a little bit about that case she's suing. What do you think will happen and what are the ramifications of it? What

do you think it could lead to? Well, big picture to me, what it references is I came out of sports, right, So I was just your average guy who's a big sports fan, um. And increasingly sports collided with politics, um and so you had to have an opinion on Colin Kaepernick, and certainly COVID really took that to an entirely different level.

What I saw happening in sports that was scary to me was ESPN in particular, which is the big dog in sports opinion, was allowing far left wing political opinions and encouraging and enabling and rewarding people who embraced far left wing opinions, while oftentimes firing people for quote unquote conservative opinions. And my big thing is I'm a First

Amendment absolutist. You may have seen my clips several years ago where I went on CNN and said the only two things I believed in I've been saying that on the radio for a long time was the First Amendment, and Booze and CNN lost their mind when I said, yeah. But i mean, look, the reality is, when you say you're a First Amendment absolutist, it kind of just gets lost in the cliche. And so I thought that was such a you know, a fun and absurdly uh perfect

way to epitomize that. And by the way, the funny thing about CNN getting so triggered by me saying that was Hugh Hefner died shortly thereafter, and they lionized him as a hero. And I'm not sure there's ever been anybody that supported the First Amendment boogs more than Playboy founders U Heffner, So that dichotomy there was really kind

of fascinating. But I'm in addition to being a First Amendment absolutist, I also believe in the importance of content neutral rules, right um, and being applying those rules consistently. That's why I'm kind of excited if Elon must ends up taking control of Twitter, he's going to do what I've been arguing should be happening at places like ESPN, which is put your policy in place, but don't punish someone for not having left wing opinions while promoting people

for having left wing opinions. If your policy is no one can ever talk about politics at all, all we want you to have an opinion on in your public life is sports. If you're being paid millions of dollars and you want to take that deal, you can take

that deal. But don't fire Kurt Schilling because he questions a transgender bathroom bill while simultaneously promoting people who falsely alleged that don't say gay bill in Florida, which is really the parental rights bill, is saying something that it isn't, and you're allowing a moment of silence on your broadcast

network for it. So really, all I want, you're right, you're you're you should have a right too far left wing opinions, and people should have a right to far right wing opinions, but the policy should be content neutral, and what's age steal is pointing out with her lawsuit, is that isn't the case, And I believe that's a significant battle that needs to be fought in sports media, which has been overtaken by this tiny minority of super woke journalists who do not reflect the overall vast majority

of fan opinion. Well, I think she's super brave. I'm a fan of hers. Is it so your band from both CNN and ESPN? Is that right? That's correct. I'm the only person in America, UH, that is not allowed to appear on either CNN or ESPN. That's hilarious. See you talk about this sort of like distortion that's happened in sports news. Is that why you started out Kicked back in two eleven? No, not, Actually, it's what OutKick

has become. But in two thousand eleven, I started out Kick because I was I was a huge sports fan. I had worked at at CBS Sports dot Com, I had worked at dead Spin but where Deadspen went crazy, uh, and I had worked at fan House. So I've worked at three different big sports media companies. I felt like I knew what people wanted to read and that that wasn't being covered by the average Uh. The average sports site out there. Uh So, I I was comfortable taking

a risk starting a business. Um and initially, you know, sports had not gone crazy in two thousand eleven when I started out kick. Uh So, most of your big sports debates were about realignment, about you know, what the college football playoff might look like in the years ahead.

Uh There were a lot of sports related sports debates, but we hadn't turned into this uberwoke, super political universe that has just been tracked by OutKick, And increasingly what I saw was without OutKick, there was nobody making the

arguments that I was making. And so our influence is huge because you know, we cover sports for the seventy five or eighty percent or more of sports fans who, for instance, don't believe that a biological man who decides to identify as a woman should be able to compete

and win women's athletic events. Like the idea that out Kick is almost the only sports outlet that is covering this and saying, hey, you know what, men should compete against men and women should compete against women is to be a testament of how broken the overall sports media ecosystem is. But that's where we've been led by the direction of sports media, which I think has been very

influenced by social media. But when I started in two thousand eleven, I never I never would have thought, Hey, the greatest women swimmer of all time is going to be a dude. I just I mean, that was so far outside the bounds of of any kind of legitimacy that I never would have seen us getting here. Also, it's cool because well, you sold it the Fox, so

congrats on being rich. But what's neat about is I I saw I saw what you wrote about the sale, and you talked about kind of coming from humble beginnings and that you know, there's a son of two parents who never made in a year only in America. Indeed you wrote, so, I mean, that's got to be pretty big. I'm sure your parents are proud to you know, proud of you. Yeah. Look, I mean, it's it's great to be in a position where if I didn't ever want to have to work again, I don't ever have to

work again. Um. That gives you some degree of personal freedom. But the reality is every single day I jump out of bed excited to get to do what I do. UM, And you know, there's always that discussion, Hey, what would you do if you want a lottery? I think a lot of people have that discussion in their lives. You know, Um, what would you do the next day? Uh? I basically have right. I think I've won the lottery in life with what I've been able to do, and I think

you're in a really good spot. My argument had always been, and it's now true, in an ideal world, you would like your job so much that if you want a lottery, you would just keep doing it. And you know, that's what I feel like I've done and that's what I'm doing. So you know you're in a good spot when you don't have to work to pay a mortgage or to help raise your kids. You've taken care of that, but you still love what you do so much that you're going to keep doing it. Um, And that's that's where

I am right now. Well, that's an awesome place to to be in. So, you know, congratulations to you. It's amazing you. You had mentioned Will Thomas, now known as Leah Thomas. You know, what's the point of sports if dudes can just pretend to be girls so they can

win titles and championships. I mean, look, if if the reason why we have men's and women's sports segregated in the first place is because, let's be honest, women would not ever win any championships if men and women competed in a co ed competition, right, And they wouldn't even really make the finals, right or even be in the close proximitty. And that's not me taking a shot at women's athletes. It's acknowledging that biology is real. Um. And so that is a decision that we made as a

society intelligently, you know, hundreds of years ago. Uh. And certainly that we have allowed to come to full fruition here in America, where women have more success and more opportunity and more achievement than ever has existed anywhere else in the world. And so are we going to destroy that by allowing men? You know, one of the scary quotes, uh, that was out there one of the pen swimmers, or one of the women who was the teammate of of

this transgender swimmer said, uh. And I'm paraphrasing her quotes, so I may not get it exactly right, but told out kick, Uh, I hope if I grow up and have kids, they're all boys. Because right now it's one transgender swimmer, but eventually it's gonna be many more, and women's athletics is not gonna exist anymore. And think about how awful that is for any girl out there who you know. You know how hard you have to work

to become a college swimmer. You're starting at five or six years old, typically early in the morning, grinding away as hard as you can to achieve one of the highest levels of success imaginable, which is swimming at a collegiate level. And you're then going to these girls and these women who have spent their whole lives performing and preparing for this moment. You're going to allow a man who decides he identifies as a woman to set all time records in their sports and to beat them and

to be considered a champion. Just not It's just not right. And everybody has to make a choice. Right. Much of life is about making choices, and so if you are a fan of sports, you have to decide, do I believe that women's sports should be made up of women and that the champions in those sports should be female, or do I believe that men who identify as women should be able to compete against them. You can't pick both.

You have to pick a side. And this is why so many people are pretending this story doesn't exist because they're afraid in my industry that if they say, oh, I only support women athletes being able to compete, that they're going to be called anti transgender. And they're afraid that if they support transgender athletes being able to compete, they're gonna be called anti woman. Well, you're gonna have to pick a side. And my side is pretty clear, and I've been as transparent about it as I could

possibly be. I believe women's sports should be made up exclusively of biological women, period. Now I agree, and I just want to be on the side of a common sense in the truth. But well, the whole point of this podcast. It also rhymes with my last name, so that works too. But yeah, very creative. But we also all this wote crap has really, you know, poisoned sports and really poisoned a lot of the fun of it. I mean, just recently, you look at this Tim Anderson

Josh Donaldson saga. So you've got a guy Tim Anderson for the folks at Home White Sox player. He's black. He had previously referred to himself as today's Jackie Robinson and a Sports Illustrated interview. So then Josh Donaldson, who is why he plays for the Yankees. He jokingly referred to him to Anderson as Jackie something that he had called himself. And now Josh Donaldson is on the receiving

end of suspension, finds uh. And you know, with future being uncertain, does that make any sense to you, Clay No. And I think a lot of times what I try to do was say, let's take away the race related components to this story, right, Um, just take it away, because so many people are committed to whatever their angle

is on race relations that they can't think rationally. So it just say Lee said that I called myself, uh, the next Babe Ruth right, and I was a great Major League baseball player and I had just come into the league. Comparing yourself to someone of incredible historical relevancy, one of the greatest to ever do something is an

incredibly cocky move to make. Right, Like if you're a brand new quarterback and you called yourself the next Tom Brady, uh, the first time that you stepped onto the field in the NFL, or in college, other people would react to that comment, right, and if you let's use it for football examples. If you got sacked, uh and had a four interception game, it's likely that one of your opponents

would be like, hey, good game, tom Brady. Right, because you called yourself Tom Brady and then you went out and you performed in a different fashion, they're going to talk about you as branding yourself the next Tom Brady. If I called myself the next Babe Ruth, it's not crazy to think that on a major league baseball field somebody might gently mock me by calling me babe on

the field, right, That wouldn't be racist. That would be using my own words, uh, in a way to make fun of me, right, Like, if anyone should be being talked about in this story, to me, it's uh, it's it's the idea that you're the next Jackie Robinson. What you're comparing yourself to the guy who integrated baseball? Like, what are you doing that is anywhere near the level

of significance to what to what Jackie Robinson did. So, if anybody deserves to be made fun of and ridiculed in this scenario, it's the guy who in twenty nine decide decides to label himself the next to Jackie Robinson because you're doing what exactly I mean, that's the crazy part to me, If anything, it's super disrespectful of Jackie Robinson for a player into to compare himself to Jackie Robinson,

whether he's black or white. And by the way, taking it outside of baseball, do you know what Leah Thomas is uh is claimed, it's been written, was saying that that the transgender athlete Leah Thomas was the Jackie Robinson of women's swimming. That to me is an insult right like that should be called out. But at least there is something different, something new, that that person is representing. I've also heard Michael sam called the Jackie Robinson of the NFL because he was a gay, the first gay

player I believe to come out. All of these are insults, insults to me, in my opinion, to Jackie Robinson because his significance was so much more uh of an issue and so much more of a challenge than what these guys are dealing with. But if anybody's gonna be ridiculed, it should be the guy who's comparing himself to Jackie Robinson. Now that's such a great point. And I think a lot of people look at this stuff and it really is it's you know, it's all b s. I mean

you look at the NBA. They do all this stuff on Black Lives Matter, all this crap about you know, social justice, whatever, whatever, and then we see a report that NBA owners have invested over or more than ten billion dollars in communist China as the country quite literally

wages a genocide against the weaker population. Yeah. Look, and not only that, Uh, the NBA pulled it's All Star game out of Charlotte because of a transgender bathroom bill, but they are going to play games in the United Arab Emirates where if you're gay you can be put to death. I don't begrudge least. I've said this for

a long time. If businesses want to maximize profits by doing business and as many different countries in the world, and they want to say, look, we uphold American values in the in our country, but American values don't govern China or Saudi Arabia or or the U a E. Or wherever you're going, right, but we're going to try to bring our product to those countries. Nonetheless, so long as they comply with American law UH in the United States and are following laws of other countries, that's fine

with me. I'm never gonna begrudge a capitalistic organization for

embracing capitalism. But when you lecture me, and let me give you an example, the w w E does events in Saudi Arabia, that's fine with me, right because the w w E is trying to do the best events that they can in the United States and Canada and Australia and Europe wherever they're doing events, right, I'm not gonna be upset at the w w E for going to Saudi Arabia, even though Saudi Arabia has human rights laws that are different than would exist in the United States.

But when you pull the All Star Game out of Charlotte, North Carolina and lecture Americans over transgender related laws and individual states, when you put UH left wing slogans on your jerseys UH and literally right black lives matter on the basketball court UH during the NBA season, and then you're going to the u a E where gay men and women can be put to death, I'm sorry. The hypocrisy is so staggering that it has to be called out.

You can't have one policy in America and an entirely different one in the rest of the world when you're lecturing us all on how awful America is. And that's why I get so fired up. Stay with us, We've got to take one more break, and then back with Clay Travis. Don't miss it. So I wanted to ask you. I saw that in two thousand and sixteen, you voted for Gary Johnson and you voted for Trump. What changed

for you? It's a really good question. And I've written and talked a lot about my evolution in terms of my own political opinions. UH like to me, and I wrote I was, I think the only person in sports media basically who came out. I wrote a long piece about why I was going to be voting for Donald Trump in I didn't know what to expect. I was obviously not happy in with either Hillary or Trump as candidates. I thought that entire year, uh in that campaign was

a total mess. Uh. And I have a lot of libertarian beliefs, and so I was willing to vote for a libertarian. Now, partly, let me say this, I don't really think anybody should vote libertarian in who lives in a state where you know what the outcome of your race is already going to be. I live in Tennessee, right, Donald Trump, I knew was going to win. In my

vote for president really didn't matter. Um. If you live in Georgia or Nevada, or Wisconsin, or Michigan or Pennsylvania or maybe New Mexico, UH and Arizona and you're voting libertarian, you, to me are failing to make a choice that is significant. I don't think we talk enough about the fact that, even based on the numbers that are out there, Trump would have won with ease if libertarians had not been

on the ballot. Right. Um, and you look at the tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people who cast their vote in those battleground states for a libertarian candidate, I think you made an awful choice, and I think you're seeing it with Joe Biden. But the things that I care about the most, mostly so, are a full flourishment of the First Amendment, standing up to China, UH,

individual uh liberties as it pertained to COVID. By the time we got to I was I was all in and and and there's a lot of different transition points, but for me, the point where I said I can't support any Democrat anymore. The Brett Kavanaugh hearings were really big for me. I went to law school. I've got a legal uh degree, so unfamiliar pretty well, certainly with

the process of selecting Supreme Court justices. The Democrats have gone so far left wing, uh that I feel a lot like Elon Musk when he when he shared that meme of himself not really having moved. And you've gone from you know, over the course of twenty years, Lisa, I've gone from a little bit left of center to like a right winger. Uh. And it's not because I've necessarily moved very much in terms of what I believe. It's because the Democrats have lost their minds and have

gone so far left wing, left wings. So when you're talking about transgender when you're talking about people testifying in Congress that men can get pregnant and have babies, uh, And when you're talking about uh, you know, nine months abortions being okay, or you know, there's jokes that justify somebody being able to be attacked on stage, which is what they're saying now about Dave Chappelle, or even that

comedians can't make jokes that make people uncomfortable, cancel culture, identity, politics, embrace, which is what their Democrat Party represents. I fundamentally reject all of that. And you know, I'm frankly stunned that anybody could be happy to have voted for Joe Biden based on what the first eighteen months have been. I said today on the show Leagusa. Um, you know, I got lectured for a long time about being on the wrong side of history by a lot of left wingers.

They wagged their fingers at me for being a Trump supporter, And I'm thinking of myself, first of all. I mean, I was a history major. I may, in a different world have ended up getting my PhD in history. I'm a I'm a huge American history buff. These people who lectured us about being on the wrong side of history right now have voted for the worst president in a

hundred years. I think you have to go all the way back to Herbert Hoover to point to a president that's been a disastrous this point in their presidency, as Joe Biden has been. Um, are all those people now recognizing yet that they're on the wrong side of history, that they've been lecturing us Donald Trump and would have been an infinitely better choice than Joe Biden. And we've only had eighteen months and that's already I think a

virtual certainty. No, I mean, it's really scary. I mean, I knew Joe Biden would be bad, but I didn't realize anything could be this bad this quickly. It's it's actually we'd be airlifting in baby formula humanitarian aid here. I never saw anybody arguing that. It's almost a shame, you know, just well one saying what he did in Afghanistan and then obviously seeing us take humanitarian aid from Europe. It's like we're turning into a third World country under Biden.

It's just it's sad to see is obviously two people who love this country to just see the deterioration. It's really sad, you know. And we've got a sidekick, Kamala Harris. I want to play this clip from her real quick and then get your thoughts on it. You know, when we talk about our children, I know, for this group, we all believe that when we talk about the children of the community, they are the children of the community, and she was talking about the baby formula and trying

to get into the US. Has there ever been a better communicator? Joe Biden might have picked the only worst communicator than him to be his vice president. And I think this is, honestly, Lisa a little bit emblematic of what one party rule does. Kamala Harris has never really been challenged because she came out of California right um. And this is a result I think of how awful she is at her job and at communication, um, the likes of which I'm not sure that we've ever seen.

And I was one of those people who believed when Joe Biden came into office that the idea was clearly that he was going to be a one term guy and hand the reins to Kamala and right off into the sunset as an eighty two year old would typically do. Biden has been far worse than I expected, but Kamala has been much worse than I expected, even worse than Biden. And I think that's why Democrats right now are panicking because what I referred too, as you know, we had

the already weekend that Burnie's presidency of Joe Biden. Um, they're gonna maybe have to try weekend at Burnings too and drag him across the finish line. Again. I don't think it's gonna work because I think Biden is so mentally deteriorated. I think most people can see it. Um, But this idea is just uh, it's scary that we've gotten here. And I always say I don't root for a president to be incompetent um, even if he has different policies than I might UH want to have advocated for,

because ultimately we all bear the cost. I think Ukraine invasion happened because there was no respect for Joe Biden anywhere in uh in Vladimir Putin's mindset. Um. I think what happened in Afghanistan happened because Joe Biden is so weak, um, and that China will and already is taking advantage of us as much as they possibly can, based again on Joe Biden's in competence. So I've said before again this

is coming with a sports analogy. Um. You know, it feels like the Biden administration Lisa is tanking for the overall number one draft pick, Except when you tank for the overall number one draft pick. There's at least a beneficial goal. I'm not sure what the beneficial goal here is. And I don't even know who you would select from the Biden administration and say, hey, in this entire cabinet, I would pick insert name here, he or she seems like they might be competent as president. I can't even

think of one. Well, it's like picking the tallest midget. You know, Is there anything else you want to leave us with before we go? It's just that, despite all the negativity of some of this conversation, I'm actually a huge optimist um. And the reason why I say that is I think when you study American history, you have a great deal of humbleness when it comes to understanding how much the passions of the moment can often, in retrospect UH hide us from the general trajectory of the country,

which I do think moves in a positive direction. And maybe example I'll use we know are going to be hard fought, perilous, fraught with difficulty in general. But I just want to remind everybody we had an election during the Civil War, and we had an election during World War two, UH, and we were able to UH do the eighteen sixty four and in nineteen forty four, two different elections and probably the midst of the most tumultuous times in our nation's history. I am confident that eventually

we're going to come through this. And I think the historical analogy I would bring to bear now is Biden is Jimmy Carter in the context that the only reason Jimmy Carter got elected was water game. The only reason Joe Biden got elected was COVID. He sold the American population on the idea that he would solve COVID. I think what we've seen certainly is that was a lie.

No politician was going to solve COVID. Uh. And just as Jimmy Carter got kicked to the curb, I think what we are ready for is probably twenty years of normalcy um and we had Ronald Reagan that rose up to be Jimmy Carter. I think there will be a Ronald Reagan like nine, eight and four over the next and then maybe eight as well over the next several years.

Because if you remember Bill Clinton one in ninety two and in basically running as a Republican, so from nineteen eighty two effectively Obama in two thousand and eight, over a quarter century, we basically had normalcy governing in America. I think there's a great craving for that, and I think that's where we're did uh on the horizon, Clay Travis, this has been a smart and very fun conversation. You're

a busy man, and I really appreciate your time. Thank you for having me, Thanks for coming on the show as well to Clay and bought show. We'll have to get you on again. You were great. Keep up the good work. So that was fun. I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. You know, Clay Travis has obviously been immensely successful in the world of media, but he's a really smart, really funny guy. I thought it was a ton of fun. I hope you guys

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