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in the twenty twenty four presidential campaign. And by now you almost know for certain that Mike Pence, former Vice President Mike Pence, former governor of the Great State of Indiana, Mike Pence, former Congressman Mike Pence, former talk radio show host. Mike Pence has thrown his name into the proverbial ring in the twenty twenty four Republican presidential primary process. Now I'll pause and go back to one of those things some of you may know, some of you may
not know that Mike Pence literally had a talk radio show in Indianapolis. I don't know if it was elsewhere or not. To be honest, I don't I don't think so, but it could have been. I'm not sure, but he had a talk radio show in Indianapolis prior to his running for congress. He actually lost his first congressional race, and then of course he became congressman for the I think it was the sixth District was his district, and of course from there he became governor, and then of course was chosen as
vice president of the United States for Donald J. Trump. I'm pausing because I was told a story as to how Pence was chosen to be vice president from someone very very close to Mike Pence, and maybe time permitting, I'll shared it's a very very interesting story, to say the least, but we'll hold on to that for the moment. I want to say at the beginning here that most of you know this, some of you may not, but being from I am from Indiana. Indiana's home. It's where I was born,
raised, went to high school, went to college. It's been my home. It's been my home for most almost all of my life. You could say, you could say all of my life. Although my son says that we are now honorary Floridians, honorary Floridians, we've been. For those of you that have followed us and know what we're doing with the Truth Tour, you know that we were in Florida from basically mid February until well basically last week. So my son says native or a student, me not native,
I should say honorary Floridian citizen. I guess residents. And the reason for that, as I've previously stated, anything north of Orlando is has winter weather that I'm not interested in any longer. I don't know what that says about me. My toughness. You know, I used to when I played football. I remember this when I played football at Butler. I remember wearing
you know, we wouldn't wear sleeves in the cold weather. And I wouldn't do that right now unless, I mean the consequences would have to be off the charts for me to feel like, hey, that I had to prove my toughness or be that I would have to wear the short sleeved shirt in
the cold weather anyway. So, but Indiana is home. Indiana is home, and so as such, UM, I feel like we've had we've had a from a from a political perspective, we've had the opportunity, I guess, to watch Mike Pence or to see to see his career path or you know when when it came from for those that listen to him on talk radio, um, or just watch him take a different path through governmental or political
elected positions and so forth. And anytime someone runs for governor and actually wins the governor's race in your state, I mean there's a certain amount of reality that just says, you're the members the citizens of that state get to know him a little bit as well. So we've we've got that perspective. I also, UM, I don't I wouldn't certainly wouldn't say I had no Mike Pence personally, but I have met him on a couple of occasions. He's
always been gracious, he's always been kind. I do know several people that are on that are close to Mike Pence who would be I would say, on team Mike Pence. Those that's all the way back to again those early days. It's it's hard to I think, be in the Indianapolis area and not and not get to know some of those people in the Republican Party who have been closely associated with with Mike Pence. So but all that being said,
I want to tell you something that I take very seriously. I have personal friends that friends people that I know very well or very well that are you know, um that know that No Pence or that are closely tied to him, or two people on his team, and have again nothing but the greatest of respect for all those individuals. But my job on this show, the way, the way that I see it, is to come on here and to tell you what I what I think, and that's what I'm going
to do today. And nothing I am going to say should be construed to be a personal attack or anything like this because as you know, those of you that follow Pence or know much about Pence. One of the things that Pence will say is that he's a Christian, a Conservative, and a Republican in that order. And you know that I'm a conservative and a Christian as well, Christian being my ultimate identity. And I don't want to get preachy,
but I do want to. I do want to merge into our conversation of Mike Pence's decision to run for president through that lens, because I think it helps us understand understand why he's done it. I'm gonna come, I come to a different conclusion than his team has and that he has as to whether or not this is a good idea. But I am going to try to fairly paint the thinking and the process of how to get there. And I think in order to do that, you first have to understand the faith,
the faith component of this. And so let me let me kind of pause it there and say, for the individuals who are followers of Jesus in this audience, even for those who aren't that are familiar with the Bible, you know that the stories in the Bible where God has called an individual to a particular task or mission or whatever you want to call it. When, for example, God calls Abraham, or he called Abraham to go to the Promised Land. God called Moses to go and lead his people out of slavery,
out of bondage in Egypt. God calls lots of people to do things in the scriptures, and God caused people to do things today from a Christian perspective, Again, I'm not trying to get too preachy. I'm just trying to paint a picture here and also tell you that I believe these things. So I take these things. I can relate in that sense to what I think some of these the thought process, decision making, and so forth might
have been. So I think it's important that we understand that. So, but anytime someone was called to do something, I don't ever want to say one hundred percent, because there's always exceptions to the rule, and I don't want to put God into some box. But there's always seems to be there, always seems to be a component that says what God often tells people to
do comes cross as well crazy to people. For example, he told Noah to build a giant boat an arc and it took him a long, long long time, many many many years in fact, and what was even crazier was that it had never reigned until that point in time. According to the scripture, we have the example of Abraham. At the time he was Abraham, God called him to go to a place that he had never known before. He would lead him there, he said. He also said that he
would give him a son. And it took a long time for that promise to be fulfilled. But God did give him a son, Isaac. And it was that son Isaac that God said, I want you to take him up Mount Mariah and sacrifice him to me. These things sound crazy, of course, that is crazy, with the exception of if we don't account for the God factor in all this, and God often there's a component of that
where it doesn't make It doesn't make a lot of sense. It doesn't make a lot of sense why three young Hebrew boys named Shadrach, Meshack, and a Bendigo can walk into a fiery furnace and not have even a head, excuse me, a hair on their head singed right. It doesn't make any sense that Peter, through the help of Jesus, can walk on water. It doesn't make any sense that a dead man named Lazarus can be risen from
the dead. These things don't make earthly sense. But for God, so a lot of our decisions, a lot of our decisions as followers of Jesus, we really don't regard those things. If God is saying to do X and truly and you know right, that's That's the other thing I mean, I would again not to get preachy, but I this is something I feel called to. Many of you would say the same thing. You feel called to some particular mission, trip or something at your church, or maybe a
career endeavor, or to stay home with your children. I don't want to It can be anything, not just something that you want. But you really might feel that from a biblical perspective that God may be calling you to do something, and that when that exists, it's a powerful, powerful conviction almost and so so you have the conviction, and the conviction. Oftentimes the level of craziness that you have to endure or walk through or sometimes perform kind of
indicates how much you believe the calling over over what commons would suggest. But to see the thing is and again lasts a little bit of the sermon here, I'm really not trying to. I'm just trying to paint the picture so we understand the thinking, because I think this is a I think this is a big factor. I don't think it's the only thing. And I don't mean that as an insult. I do think that they've talked about other things
as well, strategically, and that's that's fine, and that's wise. But I think that if God, if God is who the Bible says he is, if God is who the Christian, the truly faithful Christian says he is, then God will show up. That's what God does. That's what really the whole Bible is kind of about in a way, right, God showed up to fix the problem that we created by rebelling against Him, to restore that relationship. So that is it in a nutshell. When I say it,
I mean the faith component. And so Mike Pence as a Christian, and I do believe he sincerely seeks to do seeks to try to do what he thinks God may be calling him to do. I do believe that they've considered that and they have concluded that that is what God has called Mike Pennce to do. Now you can, of course, you're free to think, Oh, that's crazy and wacko. You're free to think. I believe, you know, I believe in God. I believe God can call us.
But I don't think Mike Pence is being called to do this. You're free to think that. We can all have certainly have our opinions and interpretations. I would say, short of that being the case, short of God divinely appointing this for Mike Pence, this is a bad, bad strategic decision, A bad, bad strategic decision. I think that there are two people. I've shared this very very straight forward with you. I think there are two people in the race that can in the nomination. One is named Donald J.
Trump. It is his to lose. The others named Ronda Santis. If Trump falters or something else happens with whether or not the Democrats or even certain Republicans are successful in keeping him from being able to run for office, run for president again, which is constantly going on behind the scenes. That's what these indictments are about, and just so much going on, so much
going on there. But that's that I think is a strategic component. It is people basically waiting for I don't maybe hoping for Trump to not be able to continue for some reason, any number of reasons, the American or the Republican primary voter having enough of it. Trump not being able to raise money because of all of the baggage that's being heaped upon him by district attorneys and federal this and that, and all the impeachment stuff and everything that he's gone
through and that he's endured over these years. Some people are thinking that it's eventually going to catch up with him, because really, you get down to it, Nicki Haley, vivek Ramaswami, who I do like. I like him actually if you listen to him, he says a lot of things that make a lot of sense. Mike Pence, Chris Christie, I think is about to throw his name in the hat or his hat in the ring again. I'm forgetting someone obviously, to Santis, but de Santis is in the
next the next tier. It's it's Trump, then there's space, and there's the Santists. Then there's space, and then there's everyone else. And the only way that the people in the everyone else category are going to win or have a chance at winning, as if something happens to Trump and they still got to contend with the Santists, but that's a much more manageable situation for them than dealing with President Trump. On I got lots of thoughts about this,
but a timeout is in order. I'm gonna take it. You're listening here, my friends, at the home of Conservative not Better Talk. I'm your host, Hop Huf back in just a minute. Come back, my friends. So let's continue this discussion about Mike Pence's decision to enter the twenty twenty four Republican primary, which, by the way, I think I saw. I should have looked at this during the break, now that I'm well, I was thinking about this earlier and I didn't pull this up again.
But I think I saw debates starting, I mean within just a couple of months. I think I saw August. But then again, the primaries are actually held right after the first of the year here in six months or so, seven months, I guess, So we're not that far off. So you're gonna see the names aially entered the field. Of course. We've got Trump, We've got to Santis, We've got Nicky Haley, We've got Tim Scott. I think that's who I was forgetting earlier. We've got Vivek Ramaswami.
We've got Mike Pence. I think we'll have Chris Christie. There may be a couple of others. I don't know, but we in the first segment we talked about how we were going to well, I thought to merge into this conversation as to why Pence made this decision. I think we have to start with the faith component, because I think that that is a factor.
There's also the strategic component component, which is to say, a lot of these folks I think are hoping or just positioning themselves to be in well to be there should Trump be prohibited from running in the twenty twenty four process, so if they can somehow get Trump convicted. I'm not saying any of
this is going to happen. I'm just saying that this has been the plan and the dream of some, primarily of the on the Democrat Party side, the Dramocrats, the radical left, but it also includes some on the Republican side. Some on the Republican side, so there is the hope by some that Trump will never be able to run again, whether that means he's somehow prevented from getting on the ballot, whether that means he's basically unable to effectively
fund raise. Although with Trump you have to wonder if that would even still stop him, or would he in would he consider spending his own funds to completely self fund his campaign. I don't know. I'm just saying that these are things that could happen even if those things did arise and become a reality. So that's why to me, that lowest tier the Tim Scotts, the Vivek Ramaswami's, Mike Pence, Nicky Hayley, and then of course the next tier is the Santis and the other is Trump. So that is what I'm
thinking. The strategic the strategicy, as Bush would say, is in this particular equation, of course, there's always the possibility, and I'm not I'm not accusing anyone in particular, but there's always that possibility that some people are running for president to position themselves for some other appointment, or just to become
politically relevant, or to write a book. Again, I'm not, I'm not saying that that is the case of any particular person, but it does certainly play a factor in some In some cases, some people just want to build their brand. I guess I think politics has become a career or a tool by which people can make money, which is I think sad. But anyway, so that's a possible. I'm not accusing anyone, Please don't misunderstand.
I'm just saying that's a question I always I always ask myself as well looking for an ambassadorship, are they looking for a position in the cabinet? Are they're looking for an opportunity to write a book or to get a gig somewhere as a as a guest, someone who's a paid contributor, and so forth. I don't know, not accusing anyone in this field of that.
I'm just saying that I know that that's in the calculus that has been the math I guess of some people who have explored the possibility of running for president in the past. So that's kind of I think, how we got here. So the question then becomes. The question then becomes, when we look at this field that is growing, we have to ask ourselves, I think, a couple of questions. One, we have to ask ourselves what are
we really fighting against. We have to properly understand the the political enemy here, if you will, meaning what do they stand for? What is their underlying worldview, What are their objectives, what are their tactics, what are they willing to do? How much corruption is there? What has to be done to fully eradicate the drain the swamp, eradicate those in the bureaucratic or
the deep state. What has to be done? Who has the emotional fortitude to see through the things that need to be done to fix the problems, and not just fix the issues, but to fix the mess the swamp. Who has that within them, who has prepared for that, who understands the
depths of that, and who's prepared to do what is necessary? Or the one that seems to be the most likely to me, These are the questions that we have to flush out because it's not just about It's not just about who has the least offensive tweets, or at least it shouldn't be in my
estimation. I'm not saying that statesmanship shouldn't be a consideration at all for folks, But I am saying that if metaphorically, the United States of America is like the Titanic and we are sinking taking on water, it's been running too an iceberg by lovers, A big government from Joe Biden and Kamala Harris to
Bernie Sanders and AOC and people long long before that. If that is in fact what we're doing, and we're looking for people to save and salvage the ship somehow, or at least the passengers on the ship, then we shouldn't be overly concerned if someone on the deck of that ship happens to a four letter word fly out of his mouth as the ship is going down. That's kind of how I look at this, and I just want to talk about
that. So timeouts in order to quick timeout is necessary. My friends, you're listening here to conservative not better talk on your host Ted Huff back in a minute. Welcome back, my friends. So what is it that we
are really fighting against? I think it stands to reason that as we think about even though we're early in the process, and even though there's a lot of emotions still tied around the name Trump, whether it's strong emotion for him or absolute hatred against him, or any number of things in between, there, I know it's a it's a politically or an emotionally charged race, and so we have to begin, we have to begin ask ourselves what are we
fighting against and who is best equipped to address or deal with these issues, because, as I've said stated on this program so many times before, ever so eloquently, brilliantly, I might add, whenever Republicans or even some conservatives are elected, there's the voters. The base often is disappointed for two reasons. One, the person they elected really wasn't ideologically aligned with them. They
played a game during the election process. They told the voter what the voter wanted to hear, and then got elected and got into a position and simply ignored the base, or continue to play the game or what have you, simply only talking about conservative issues from a conservative perspective. When it's time to fundraise or when it's time to to actually ask for their vote or to you
to volunteer or get out the vote or whatever the other thing is. We sometimes have people that are principled conservatives, but they are not strong enough. This is why, and I've said this before in this program many times as well. Trump what the media did? The Trump what the Democrat Party that? The Trump was nothing new. It is the same playbook. It has
been for eons and eons. And the playbook is this, when it's time to really shut down anything that a conservative or even a Republican wants to do while in office, when they're actually prepared to take offense and advance their agenda. They begin They the media, they the Democrat Party, the right which is run by the radical left today the Dramocrats. They then begin this campaign of attacking the individual. And it could be Trump, it could be Descant
As, it could be Pence, whoever. And what happens far too many times. Actually, what's happened almost every time until Trump, was that the Republican or the conservative who was attacked capitulates. He or she gets cold feet. They don't want to actually walk through that metaphorical fire. They don't have the character or the resolve necessary to see through the work that needs to be done, and so they don't have I would say, the proper amount of
fight in them. And that is what I think most people who are fans
of Trump love about Trump. They are willing to look over a whole multitude of other factors that might personally hurt other candidates and say, for the first time in my lifetime, some would say for the first time in their lifetime, they have or had a president who actually fought for the principles that they elected him to implement, and that, my friends, creates a loyalty that is second to none, especially when you are so unique and you are or
at least perceived, You can make the argument that the perception is not reality. I mean you can make it. I'm not saying I agree with it, but the perception the facts are that there is a huge chunk of people who are in that group of core Trump supporters. Is that that describes exactly how they look at him. And so whenever they look at what is wrong with Washington, d c. Which is it's run by a bunch of leftists,
which is the deep state is erupt. You need to drain the swamp whatever you want to call the terms, and the terms are irrelevant insofar as they only seek to communicate the problem. Right however, we want to communicate the problem. The problem is we have a bureaucratic state, a big, inflated, out of control, unconstitutional government operating in ways that it was never intended to operate. That is working against you, your family, your values,
your principles. Some people would add your elections, your voice, there's other things that you might add to that list yourself. And so when we look at this and we look at the depravity, the depravity not of our system of government, my friends, Our system of government is a beautiful thing. The founders did marvelous things when they set this constitutional republic up. They
fantastic things. It was brilliant, brilliantly established. What they did not account for, or dare I say what I don't want to say, they didn't account for it. What they could not completely account for was that the vast majority, and by vast I mean vast, vast, vast majority of these jokers and clowns that are elected, the vast, vast, vast majority of people in high ranking positions in the bureaucratic state, those folks are corrupt to
the core. Those folks are dangerous to democracy, as we might say, those folks are undermining liberty and the will of the American people and making people and no longer citizens of this country and said subjects to the authoritative state. And so when you understand that, that is what we're facing, that is what we're up against. Yes, we need someone who understands what to do.
We may disagree in concept or in some detail to the steps or the order of things that need to be done, but it seems almost more important to have someone who is prepared and willing and able to take the arrows to walk through the fire to address the problems that need to be addressed, regardless of what the media says, regardless of how they are portrayed, regardless of the negative publicity, regardless of anything else that comes with that. We have
to have someone who is willing to walk through that mess. At almost as though they would be called tethlon made of tethlon, made of steel, made of something that is impenetrable by some of the tools and the forces that are used by the radical left to undermine, undermine the attempts of those who are trying to eradicate the problems of the morally bankrupt, evil deep state or swamp or again, whatever you want to call it. You know what I mean.
The people who have corrupted at the people who have looked at the government not as a place where they could actually engage in public service, instead as a place they look at it as a place that they can get in power, where they can get a good retirement plan, where they can kick back, do less work than the private sector, get paid more money. Tell the taxpayer exactly what the taxpayer is going to do instead of the other way around. That's what we have. It's not the system that's broken, it's
that the people who are holding these positions are out of control. Many are tyrants, truly tyrants. They don't see themselves as such, but that is in fact what we're dealing with. Anytime an elected official or a public servant, someone who works for the public looks at the public and says, I am your boss. You will do what I say and I granted we have
things like enforcing the law, legitimate law. We don't need people out there enforcing feelings of people or enforcing things, say like election laws that aren't really laws at all, as they did in twenty twenty. Absolutely they did in twenty twenty, where the law was ignored in many states, and ballots were allowed to be collected and all sorts of things. Deadlines were disregarded, the
chain of custody was disregarded, all sorts of things. The point is it's the people that act outside the confines of the rules and what they're supposed to do, and actually, in some cases use their authority for even much more nefarious purposes than that, trying to potentially even undermine a sitting president of the United States, trying to get him, I don't know, impeached once or twice, or even after he's out of office, try to get him convicted
either in the court of public opinion or in the courts of law, of overturning an election, trying to stage accout at all, and trying to eliminate or override and destroy democracy, which is what has been done to our previous president. So it's not just someone who has the right ideas, who can have a easygoing attitude. I mean, this is my friends, This takes
a certain type of character, certain type of individual. We need someone that's going to hit the ground running, not even on day one, before day
one hits here, before day one arrives. That's what's appealing about Trump, I think, and I think if he's reelected, I think the Democrats, the Dramocrats, will come to really regret the decision to well, I guess regret the outcome of his losing in twenty twenty because now he's had a basically a halftime, a halftime break to regroup, to reorganize, to restructure, to stew over the problems, to sit there and just be completely focused,
completely enamored with what's wrong, how he thinks he was wronged and everything else, and then to come back for four more years after a four year hiatus. So anyway, along in this segment, my friends, gotta take a time out. You're listening to conservative not better talk. I'm your host, Todd Huff Back in just a minute. Welcome back, my friends. Let me say this, whoever, and this leads into what I want to talk
about in the time we have remaining. I think I said this earlier, but just to reiterate, we've been talking about Mike Pince's decision to enter the race for president, filing papers yesterday, making an announcement I don't know today, tomorrow, sometime this week. I again, I think I've made it clear. It's this is Trump's to win or Trump's to lose, I should say. And if it's Trump's to lose, I think the only other person
that can win this is the Santis. I don't understand why everyone else is in the mix, other than to say some are hoping or even possibly expecting. I don't think that they're really expecting, but holding on to some strategic hope that something will happen to Trump to where he cannot be the Republican nominee.
Maybe he just gets they think he'll get tired of it. Maybe they think that Democrats can keep him from actually running by convicting him, or who knows right, getting something that prevents him from running because they accuse him of staging a Kuda ta on January sixth, whatever the case may be, That's why some people are I think, entering this race because statistically they just don't have they don't have any any chance of winning. I will support any of
the nominees over anything that the left presents. I do think that there are better choices, clearly better choices, and I think the more someone is willing to fight, the more and I mean really fight, the more likely they are to get my support because the problems that we have to deal with require someone to have that mentality day one. Now that being said, that being said, I've made it clear Trump de Santis are the ones that are in
the front, and really that's who this decision should come down to. But again, I'll support anyone there now, with that being anyone who wins a nomination. With that being said, I'm gonna take a break, and I want to share really quickly on the other side of the break, what is brewing between Trump and the Republican Party as it pertains two debates, quick time out. It's an interesting thing that may become an issue. I don't know, sit tight. I'll tell you about it on the other side of the
break. I'll come back, my friends. Not a lot of time, but I do want to share this. You want to share this. Looking at an article here Townhall dot com. This will be in the stack of stuff Todd Huffshow dot com. Just go to the stack of stuff and you will see it on June sixth, which is today, which, by the way, is is the day. This is d Day. This is when American forces during World War Two began the process of liberating Europe from the evil
dictator Adolf Hitler. So let's let's talk here about this current thing with Trump Headlinetownhall dot com. There are now questions about Trump participating in the first GOP
primary debate. After the RNC the Republican National Convention releases the rules and so basically, when you look at what the rules of the debate are, the rules of the debate essentially say a lot of things, But one of the things they say is that Trump or not Trump, whoever wins the nomination has to agree or excuse me, whoever participates in the debate has to sign a pledge that they will eventually support whoever the nominee is in the Republican Party.
And we all remember Trump raising his hand back in twenty sixteen saying he would not do that, and he's on record saying something similar to that again. So who knows what will happen here, But I've got to go have a great day. SDG.