Attention. You're listening to the Todd Huff radio show, America's home for conservative not bitter talk radio. Be advised. The content of this program has been documented to prevents and even cure liberalism, and listening may cause you to lean to the rights. Here's your conservative but not Bitter host, Todd Huff. Welcome everybody to Todd Huff's radio program, where obviously you know his slogan is Conservative but not Bitter Radio. I'm Gary Varvel. I'm co hosting today for
Todd. He's away from the microphone and tell you a little bit about me. I'm a Christian conservative cartoonist in that order. I was for forty years with the Indianapolis News and the Indianapolis Star syndicated through Creator Syndicate. My cartoons appear in about one hundred newspapers around the country. Got recently canceled by Toronto's Sun. But I don't want to talk about that today. But anyway that we're gonna I'm going to delve into some things that I think might interest you.
I'm hoping it doesn't interest me. I have a lot of people ask me a lot what happened to America? And I feel like I've been I've had a front row seat being in the newspaper business for so long. I've had a front row seat to watch what has happened the last forty years, forty plus years, and it's been fascinating to me. And it got me very curious as well, because this is definitely not the same country that I moved I grew up in. You know, I'm sixty seven now, we'll
be sixty seven next month. And and when I was a kid growing up in the sixties, and and you know, in in the seventies, things were much different, and things are changed. I think back to Barack Obama, President of Barack Obama in nineteen in two thousand and eight, when he was being elected, and he said, we're just a few days away from fundamentally transforming America. Well he kept that promise, and it's not in a good way. So I want to talk about what happened to America. The
Founding fathers had a dream and they put some things in place. They looked back over history and they could tell what worked and what didn't work. And so they contrary to popular opinion these days on the left, they were not atheist and agnostics is just not true at all. That is a big law. When you look at what their quotes were to one another, and when you look at their founding documents, it's very clear that they believe that there
was a creator, no doubt about it. The other thing was they grew up in a school system that was started in sixteen forty seven in Massachusetts called the Old Diluter Law. Was the thing that they was the law that they passed to start a school system. And here's what the law said. It being the chief project of the Old Diluter Satan to keep men from the knowledge of the scriptures as in former times, by keeping them in an unknown tongue.
Therefore, in this country, when we have more than fifty families in an area, we will have a school so that we can teach the children to read and write, so that they can read the scriptures. And why they thought it was important to know the scriptures so that the government in the future would not pass laws that are contrary to God's word. Now, that was the beginning of the school system, and that was the educational system of
our founding fathers. So when they come along in the next century, and also we had the Great Awakening, that happened in the seventeen hundreds, and the founding fathers coming off of that. When you look at some of the things that they put in place, and some of their quotes, for instance, they were in the Declaration of Independence, for instance, they were highly moved by Reverend John Wise. Calvin Coolidge said this in nineteen twenty six on
the one hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. He said, these thoughts in the Declaration can be largely be traced back to Reverend John Wise, who was writing in seventeen ten. He said, every man must acknowledge equal to equality to every man. Again, the end of all good government is that the cult that is to cultivate humanity and promote the happiness of all and the good of every man in all his rights, his life, in
liberty, a state, honor, and so forth. His works were reprinted in seventeen seventy two and have been declared to have been nothing less than a textbook for the revolutionary fathers. As you can tell some of the rights that he was talking about life and liberty, and he goes on and says a state. That kind of stuff found its way. In other words, into
the Declaration of Independence. So during the Constitutional Convention on June twenty eighth, seventeen eighty seven, Benjamin Franklin, Now, they were trying to decide we're going to go to war not And so they weren't arguing because the thirteen colonies they were not getting along. They all wanted their own they had all had their own agendas. And after listening to now Benjamin Franklin is in his eighties at this point, he stands up and he says this, and this was
recorded by two different sources. They recorded his words. This is what he said. I have lived long, sir, and the longer I live, the more convincing proose I see of this truth that God governs the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid. And then so he called for clergy to come in and that they would start the day of their deliberations every day with prayer. And that was the beginning of something that
continues on to even this day. They have chaplains in Congress, and every session of Congress they start with prayer. Now, I find it interesting just recently Pastor Jack Hibbs from Calvary Chapel in southern California. He was asked by Speaker Mike Johnson to come and give the prayer to start the session. So Jack Hibbs says that they give you only one hundred and fifty words, and you can't say certain words, like you can't say Father, and you can't
say Jesus. Well, he wrote down his prayer and I think it got approved, but on his way there he got under conviction that it wasn't right. So he rewrote his prayer, and so when he went to pray, he started it by saying our God and Father of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. That's the way he began the prayer. And the atheist in the room and Congress were outraged. Now, look, I find it interesting. If you were truly an atheist and you don't believe there's a God,
then why do you care if anybody else says it? I mean, if you're really convinced that there's no God, what does what mattered? What difference does it make? But what I want to talk about today in the coming segments is where we've come. This is where we started. This was the founding fathers. This is where we started, and I want to talk about what things happened to get us to where we are today, which is not good. Let's take a break and then we'll come back and we'll dive into
this. Stay with us. You're listening to the Todd Huff Radio program. Our second President, John Adams had this to say. We have no government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by a morality and religion. Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. Think about what he's saying. He's saying that human passions can't be controlled unless they control themselves. People who
look, this is what the Bible says. The heart of man is deceitfully wicked, beyond all things who can know it. And it says that we're all sinners. So we need to have we need to be governed on the inside. Now, how do you do that? I find it interesting every time there's some kind of mass shooter, a mass shooting somewhere, it's gun violence. Oh really, are there guns riding around just shooting people randomly? There are people attached to those guns. Now, the question is what's causing
them to do this? And when anytime the politicians start talking about this, they want to pass more laws. Now, listen, folks, there are three hundred laws on the books from now. And here's the thing about a lawbreaker. They don't obey laws. That's why they called they're called lawbreakers. So you can pass all the laws you want. That's not going to make a difference. It's not going to change things. How do you change people. You got to change their hearts. And that's what John Adams said.
We don't have a government armed with the power capable of contending with human passions unless they're bridled by morality and religion. And he also said Adams also said this, Without religion, this world would be something not fit to be mentioned in polite company. I mean, hell, now, I ask you, is he has he been? Was he a prophet here? Because we have a society today that's not bridled by morality or religion. It's pretty much do
whatever you feel. And it changed when we started moving God out of the public conversation in nineteen sixty three. I'm jumping ahead here, but in nineteen sixty three, the Supreme Court passed the law because some atheists took a case before the Supreme Court and said, I don't want my son having to hear a prayer in school. So the Supreme Court said, yep, that's we were going to make that unlawful, so we can't have teachers praying in school.
And not only that, And then the following year, and I guess it was in sixty two and sixty three, they said, you can't have the Bible in school. You can't teach out of the Bible. Now here's what I'm going to tell you. I have a mother who's ninety one. When she was a kid in school, she's born than thirty two. When she was a kid in school, the Bible was one of the textbooks they taught. Out of the Bible. It wasn't the only thing they taught,
but it was one of the things. And in nineteen sixty three, we decided as a country that it might be damaging to children to be taught the Bible. And so since then you can look at our fall from grace basically because it has been one nightmare after another. I'm going to get into that in another segment, but I want to go back to here's what George Washington said in this Farewell address. He said this, religion and morality are indispensable
supports for good government. Reason and experience both forbids to expect that national morality can prevail an exclusion of religious principle. So what he's saying, what he said was religion and morality are so those two pillars of are so important did in holding up our constitutional structure. And then he said this, and I'm going to repeat it, Reason and experience both forbid is to expect that national
morality can prevail an exclusion of a religious principle. So when you take the Bible out and say, okay, we're not going to teach that now, you haven't taught people that there is a God, that there's going to be a judgment coming after this life, that the that the that your soul is eternal, those three things, when we take that out, then then why can't I just do whatever I want? If you're going to pass a law telling me, I want to know why why did you pass in that law?
And if I don't like your law, then why should I why should I obey it? That's where we are today, people, because they have their own sinful interests, will do whatever they want to get whatever they want, whenever they want. And I don't know, there's there's no power that you can ever convince them that what they're doing is wrong. Like, for instance, these smash and grabs and people go in and start pillaging a store. What now, you and I we would think this is this is insane?
Why is this happening? Because they have no fear. They have no fear of judgment, no fear of God, they have no fear of punishment. So like, uh, you know, and and then you have some of these sanctuary cities where like in California, for instance, you have to steal over nine hundred dollars worth of merchandise before you can actually get jailed, so they just will let them walk in, take stuff, and walk out. Now stores only operate on profit. Why would you continue to have a
store and run a loss. It doesn't make any sense. And the reason that people do this is because they think they're entitled to it. You got yours, I'm going to get mine. And that is where a society just completely collapses. That's why so many people today are saying that America is in decline. I don't like to hear it, but I can't deny it. Things are not like they were when I was younger, and we're sliding down a slippery slope that doesn't have a good end unless we can turn things around.
John Jay was the first Chief Justice of the Youth Supreme Court. He was also one of the authors of the Federalist Papers, and he wrote this providence meaning God has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and the interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers. Now that you say that today, and people will go insane because you just can't say that in
pumbling. You know you're supposed to keep all of that stuff in the church. Well, I'm going to read something to you that I just heard this just recently on social media, and I thought it was just it was gold and I don't know who the person was that said it, but they said this, and they pointed some I love it when somebody points out something to me that I have read a million times and just never put together. But they said this in Genesis chapter one, when when God created the sea life.
He spoke to the water. He spoke to the water, Let the water bring forth sea life and fish. And then he spoke to the ground. He said, let the land bring forth plants and trees. But when God spoke, when God was going to create man, when he created Adam, he spoke to himself. In Genesis one twenty six, it says, this, let us make man in our image. Now here's the principle.
Just as fish can't be separated from the water for very long without dying, and just as trees can't be separated from the ground for very long without dying, humans can't survive being separated from God. And yet the United States of America has separated ourself from God. We have rejected him starting in nineteen sixty three. It was actually going before then, but officially the Supreme Court says you can't talk about God in the public schools because they it was a missing
understanding about the First Amendment. So I'm you know, I, like I said when I mentioned at this beginning at the beginning here, I'm Gary Varval, and I am a Christian cartoonist, Christian conservative cartoonist in that order. So cartooning is what I do, and I was going to bring some cartoons with me to show you, but that doesn't work on radio very much.
So, but you can go to my website at Garyvarvill dot com. I encourage you to follow me at Gary Varval dot substack dot com if you want to look at my newsletter, which I do several times a week, and I write about these things. And if you like what I'm saying today, I encourage you to go sign up for free. If you really like me, you can pay me, but you start off by just going for the free version. But here's the thing. I think that I have a unique
perspective. Now, what is my background. I used to teach an adult Sunday school class for a long time, twenty five years, and that is a lot of time spent in scriptures, reading, studying. I had a pretty good pastor back then. A guy named Don Tyler was terrific and I learned so much. And now I feel like, at my age, I need to give back and talk about these things because a lot of people are confused what happened to America. Well, I think I know what happened to
America, and that's what I'm talking about today. Not long ago. I guess it was last year Michael Knowles on Peger You. So Michael Knowles does a video and he calls it is America losing its mind? And yes, and my answer is yes, Michael, it is losing its mind. And in fact, I'm going to talk to you about this in just a minute. Romans chapter one, and I'll preface this by saying this. When I was at the Indianapolis Star, every once in a while on social media,
they encourage to do social media. So I did social media, and I would what are you going to say? You know? And so I would every once in a while put a Bible verse. And my editor said, you know, I've knowed you've been put in Bible verses. I said yeah. He said, just be very careful. I said, why, what's the problem. Have I said something wrong? No? No, just I said. He said, there's certain things you ought to stay away from. I said, well, like, what would that be? He said like
Romans chapter one? And I knew what he was talking about. But I want to talk to you a little bit about Romans chapter one. In Romans chapter one, starting in verses eighteen and following that, it says this, It talks about a culture that turns its back on God. It says, first of all, they suppress the truth. There's five steps here in which they go through. First of all, they suppressed the truth. And I already told you about suppressing the truth. That happened in nineteen sixty three in
the US Supreme Court would ban the Bible teaching in public school. Never mind the fact that for all those centuries before that we had been doing it. So they suppressed the youth. The next thing they do is they reject the evidence of God. And when we come back from this break, I'm going to tell you about how that happened, because how we rejected the evidence for God. So stick with us and we'll be right back. And we're back
with the Todd Huff Radio program, the Conservative Not Bitter Radio Program. And I'm your host, Gary Varval, co hosting. The guest hosting, I should say, Gary Varville, the cartoonist for Creator Syndicate. And it's been my pleasure to sit in the big chain today and talk to you about some things that are dear to my heart. I love America. I'm a patriot. I feel like I won the lottery just by being born in this country. Obviously, there are a lot of bad places in the world to be
born. But I love America, and that's why it hurts me to see some of the things that are happening today. And I had a conversation with a fellow cartoonist just recently who was telling me that he was looking at a book by Jeff McNelly called Directions. And this was back in the nineteen eighties. Jeff McNelly, three time Pulitzer Prize winning editorial cartoonists and just fantastic, amazing, amazing talent, so smart, and he unfortunately we lost him back
in two thousand, but his book Directions. This cartoonist was saying, you know, I'm looking through this book and this is all about the Carter years in the Reagan era, and he says he was drawing about the same stuff that's going on today. And I would agree. In my whole career, I have drawn cartoons about the same subject, same subject a million times, and the politicians keep talking about how they're going to solve everything, and they
don't. Then they can't fix it. They don't know what they're doing. I want to get back to what I was talking about before we left the break for the break, and that was that. The Romans. Chapter one is the first I'm not supposed to talk about chapter I'm not supposed to talk about. But in Romans one eighteen and nineteen, first the people suppressed the truth. And I said that we did that in nineteen sixty three when the
Supreme Court said you can't teach the Bible in school. In Romans chapter one, verse twenty through twenty three, the people reject God, and we reject the evidence of God in his creation. And that happened when we started,
when we replaced Bible teaching in school with evolution. Darwinism. Charles Darwin, who was born in the eighteen hundreds wrote evidence of demand evidence what it was, It called origins of man or whatever, but it basically claimed that everything there was nothing, and then by evolutionary processes you had, you know, like one cell organism that you know, then went to a two cell, three cell, four cell and all that kind of stuff, and then became
a fish and then grew lungs and then got legs and walked out on land. All of that stuff no evidence and actually no fossil record for it. The descent of man. Yes, so this is the Uh, this is what was being taught now. When I was in school, it was taught as a theory. But I'm amazed at people who talk about it as being a fact today, but there's no evidence for it. So in Romans, chapter one, verses twenty through twenty three, this is what it says.
They knowing God rejected him, and they claimed to be wise, but became fools. And that's what we have today. We have people who think they're wives, but they're actually fools. It doesn't make any sense to me if you've got nothing and then out of nothing, all of a sudden, there's an explosion, a big bang, and now you have order where there was disorder. If you go in I've heard this million times, if you go into like a print shop and blow it up, evolution makes much sense as
saying that this explosion would produce the Dictionary. All the letters flying everywhere would just fall into place. I've told people before I draw a cartoon and and they'll say, how long did it take you? I said, well, actually this evolved. I didn't draw this. This evolved over billions of years. It just happened. The ink just went to where it was going to go and no thought to it. It just happened, and they know that's
ridiculous, But is it any less ridiculous? Then think that there was nothing? And then now I believe. I've said I don't have enough faith to be an atheist, because to be an atheist you have to believe that there was nothing, and then you have gazillions of miracles that have to take place in order for us to get here. I just don't have that much faith I have. This is how much faith I have I have. I believe
that God always existed. I can't explain it, but then everything else in creation he created, so I don't have to believe anything he created it. I only have to believe when one miracle, God always existed everything else, it just it makes sense that there's an intelligence that's beyond our comprehension that has put everything else into place. So they suppressed God, they suppressed the truth. Then they reject God. Here's Romans, chapter one, verses twenty four
and twenty five. This is what happens. God gave them over to sinful desires, so basically they reject him, and then God says, okay, you're on your own, and he gives them over to their sinful desires. America rejected God and banned teaching his word in his schools, and the moral foundation crumbled and gave way to the sexual revolution of the nineteen sixties. Now
tell me I'm wrong, that's what happened. In fact, Hugh Hefner started Playboy magazine in the late nineteen fifties, and in the nineteen sixties you had the sexual Revolution. I was living there. I was a kid at the time, but I remember the sex dragon, rock and roll and all of that kind of stuff. Free love, they talked about that. This was before all of the information about venereal diseases came out. But that was what we went through. So the people still did not repent, they didn't reject
they still rejected God. And so in verses chapter one, and you can look this up for yourselves, Romans Chapter one, verses twenty six and twenty seven. And then it says they didn't repent, so God gave them over to their shameful lusts. So we went from sinful desires to shameful lust. And then in this chapter, in this in this couple of verses here,
God describes shameful lust as the LGBTQ movement movement. Now, I know that's going to infuriate some people, but listen, this is what the Bible says, and it talks about homosexual behavior and that God gave them over to it. Now he doesn't approve it. He just says he gave him over to it. He basically gave up on him. In fact, the whole chapter is in verse eighteen, it says that the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven. When you read through the chapter, you go, what is
the wrath? Here's the wrath. God basically abandoned America. That's the wrath. And when we come back, we'll go to the last step in this five step process in Romans chapter one. So stick with us. You are listening to the Todd Huff Radio Show, where everything that we're talking about today
is conservative but not bitter. I'm your guest host, Gary Varvel, the Christian conservative cartoonist with Creator Syndicate, and we've been talking about Romans chapter one, what happened to America and going I'm walking you through the five steps that God tells us a nation will go through. And first of all, I mentioned that they suppressed the truth they reject God, that God gives them over
to sinful desires. Then I before I left that last break for the last break, I mentioned that God gave them over too shameful lust, and he describes that as homosexual behavior. And so you think about what happened in the nineties, and then twenty five years later, twenty fifteen, same sex marriage became legalized. I remember when I was at the Indianapolis Star, we had an editorial board meeting talking about, you know what standard is our newspaper going
to take on this now? The Star, I guess, was started found in nineteen oh three, and we'd always mentioned traditional marriage up until I think it was twenty fourteen when we decided to change. Now. I thought that that was not a good idea, especially a lot of our our readers were gray headed people like me, and I didn't think that they would take kindly to that. And I think I was right, because there's a lot of
reasons why subscriptions went down, but that didn't help. But getting back to the next stage, once God gives them over the shameful lust, then the last thing he says there in Romans chapter one, verses twenty eight through thirty two. I'm not going to read it, but here's what it starts off as God gave them over to a praved mind to do things that they should not ought to do. And the Bible says that the final stage that people
get this will invent new ways of sinning. Now, that fascinated me when I read that, because I guess I really never understood what that meant. But we are living, you and I are living in a day and age when a man can decide he wants to be a woman and demands that you call him by female pronouns, or they make up a new gym that's never been discovered before and demand that you call one person a day. Come on, this is a depraved mind. We used to call this mental illness.
We thought this was insanity if this was coming up before. But this is the day we live in. I have nine grandkids. They are growing up in a country I don't recognize. This is insane, insanity. And but you look at the five stages here in Romes chapter one, and we've gone through every one of them. Now. I was listening to John MacArthur just recently, Pastor John MacArthur out in California, and he says that he thinks that a nation that goes through all of these stages is doomed. That's not
very hopeful. I'm still hopeful for America. You know that that America will repent just like Nineveh did when God told Jonah to go to go talk to them and warned them that judgment was coming. So I feel like I'm at the stage I'm an old guy now. I feel like I'm an old stay in this stage of my life that I'm I'm going to be that guy who has to tell everybody to wake up because judgment is coming. Thomas Jefferson said this, and you go to the Jefferson Memorial in Washington, d C.
And on one of the panels it says this that it says God. He says that I fear for my country when I recognize that God is just and that his justice will not be silent forever. Now, Thomas Jefferson has thought it to be a deist, and I don't know, but I thought it was interesting that he said that. He's said a lot of other things too, but he was a complicated guy. I think a lot of times when you read about people in history, I always wonder how many different ages that
they go through. For instance, me, I've gone through a bunch of stages in my life where I've said things in the past that I regret. I've drawn things in the past that I would not draw a day, but I had to go through a process. But Jefferson actually said this, I fear for my country when I recognize that God is just and that his justice will not be silent forever. That is my concern for America. Not too long in December, I thought this was interesting. There's video of it.
You can go look at it, look forward on YouTube or Rumble I think has it as well. But there was a Turkish politician in Turkey in their parliament and he is railing against Israel, and he's cursing Israel, and he's telling them that they're going to face the wrath of Allah. And he goes on for about twenty minutes and so soon as he finishes his speech, he has a heart attack on the floor, falls down. They were able to revive him, and then he died in the hospital later on. Now here's
why I think that's interesting. In Genesis chapter twelve, verses, verse three says that God tells Abraham and his descendants. He's promising his descendants. He says, I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse those who curse you. And I'm not saying that. I know for sure that God struck a man dead, but I know that who controls every breath he takes, and he, you know, was publicly cursing Israel, which God says you're not supposed to do, and he dropped dead. I don't want
that kind of judgment to come to America. I think he is trying to give us some wake up calls. When we come back for the last segment, I'm going to talk about what I think are our hope is and how we can turn things around. But it's going to take Christians stepping up to the plate here. Uh. You know Pastor Jack Hibbs, I've heard him. He was the guy who prayed before Congress and got people all upset because he prayed to God, the Father and of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,
and people just about lost their minds. But it's going to take people like him and just regularly lay people Christians who are gonna need to be salt and light in a in a in a country that has gone very dark, and what we need are those that kind of boldness. I think about this. We need to be strong and courageous, uh, in in communicating truth in the public square. We need to we need to be courageous in not being afraid to tell people what we think. They're not afraid to tell us.
They're not afraid to tell us that. You know, they demand that I bow the knee and and and call them some kind of different pronoun. I guess I'm getting too old for that stuff. Uh, I just won't call you at all. You know, we were not able to stay in our lanes anymore. People are getting in my lane and uh, and they they've they've caused a mess, and now we need to stand up. But when we come back, I'll talk a little bit more about that. So
stay with us. You're listening to the Todd Huff Radio program, wrapping up the Todd Huff Radio Program where he is definitely conservative but not bitter. And I've been I've it's been my pleasure to co host, or not co host. I'm not co hosting. I'm guest hosting, filling in for Todd today in the big chair here, and I'm Gary Varville. I'm a Christian conservative cartoonist with Creator Syndicate and you can see my stuff on Fox News at their
website. You can see my stuff at Garyvarvel dot com. You can follow my newsletter. You can sign up a Gary Varville dot com, or you can go to Gary Varville and that's Varvel with a vias in Victor. Like Marvel, I'm like Marvel Cartoons, except I'm Varville. How's that for interesting connection? Uh? My? I will also tell you that I'm a first generation cartoonist. My my dad was a musician and he played guitar and and
not professionally, but that was one of the things he did. So we grew up in a creative family and so I you know, I was attracted to cartoons and this is what I did for a living and was fortunate to do it. And it's been interesting to meet people like Todd. Tod's been great. I love a show and it's an honor for me to sit in for him today. I've been going through talking about what's what happened to America
and it troubles me, but there is hope. There's always hope, right, and so this is what Revelation Chapter two, verses four and five says says, Yet I hold this against you. He's talking to the church in Ephesus, and he says this, you have forsaken your first love that you had at the first. Consider how far you have fallen. Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come and remove your lamp stand from its place. Now here's what this means.
There's three things that we need to do. First of all, remember he said, consider how far you've fallen. That means remember your past. Remember where you were before you started falling down. So I'm saying, look at what the founders said at the beginning. We don't have a government capable of contending with people's passions without religion and morality. Oh Gary, you can't force your religion. I'm not forcing anything. You're forcing your stuff on me.
So first of all, we need to remember where we came from. Second, we need to repent. We need to Christians need to repent. I mean, unbelievers can't repent. They don't know, they don't believe anything right. But Christians need to repent for the sins of our nation. And we've become desensitized, and we also than The last thing is we need to do the things we did at the first. We need to speak truth to a nation that needs to hear it. It's not too late, it's never
too late, as long as we're breathing. But we need to get busy, and we need to pray for our leaders. We need to pray for our president. We need to pray for the congress people, and we need to pray that they will be humbled and recognize that God will reveal himself to them. Wouldn't it be great if they had a change of heart, if they were to return our nation back to its roots. And I think that things could turn around very quickly if we did that. It's not going to
be easy, folks, but nothing worth doing is ever easy. So it's been great to be with you today. I look forward to talking to you in the future. With that, I say, have a good night.