Hello boys and girls, ladies and germs! This is Tim Ferriss, welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show. It's been a while, where it's my job to interview world-class performers from every imaginable discipline to tease out. You guessed it. The Habits, routines, favorite books, and so on that you can apply to your own lives. 750 or so episodes in counting. So we've covered a lot of ground. This time we have a very special episode. This is always a listener favorite. And, recording with my close friend, Kevin Rose. Kevin Rose for those who don't know.
At Kevin Rose, everywhere he is indeed a world-class entrepreneur, serial founder, investor in the smallest of seed rounds up to the largest of companies. He is a full spectrum, full stack. Capitalist. I don't know what the hell I'm saying. But we did this interview in person at his house in the format of The Random Show. And what we always do, and we've done this for 10 years, I suppose, now.
We trade our latest discoveries, our latest findings. What our friends have sent us. And I think it is one of our best. There's tons of actionable takeaways, lots of laughing fits, and that might have something to do with the fact that Kevin invited his friend and bartender to serve us cocktails.
We cover dozens of topics, new projects. What I've done on my recent sabbatical. Kevin's latest findings and shenanigans, real vampire protocols. Apparently that's a thing, and much, much more. It even includes some incredibly bizarre footage of Kevin having his face salted by experimental technology. We videotaped that live together.
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Can I ask you a question? Now I just see it in a perfect time. What if I did the office? I'm a cyber nanny organism living this show with metal into scler. Hello friends and family. Welcome to the random show. I am here in my studio with Tim Ferris. Tim, you're here in my house. I know. It's so nice. I shouldn't say that my studio is my house. We can still see that. It's fine. But it's in your back.
I'm glad you're here, brother. It's going to see you. It's great to see you. I'm really, really thrilled that it worked out. And what better way to get off of my podcast sabbatical then with San Hyde and my good friend Kevin. Yeah, that's you by the way. So the sabbatical first time in 10 years. Yeah.
That I've taken a break from the podcast and it's been four months roughly of sharing a lot of the greatest hits. And it's been a combination of feeling fantastic. And I've been working on other projects that are really energy in for me. My first new book in the seven years that I've been working on. That's not a sabbatical by the way. But well, usually though in fairness, the word sabbatical is typically used in academics or.
And when they take a break from teaching, they do other things, right? They do other things. And I think you and I for being honest are both working dogs. We can take breaks. But it's like you take a. You take some type of work and dog like a border call you stick it in your apartment in your city and it doesn't run. And you're like, why is it true in the couch? It has to run.
So for me to do the deep work of books specifically is just a different shift, different gear than feeling the pressure of putting out a podcast once or twice a week. Do you think that idea of shifting between those two like podcasts and then book podcast book if you had to do that. No, it breaks up your train of thought too much. So or so much so that you wouldn't be able to have.
Like do you need that undivided time you need the end of okay, because that yeah and I'll make I'll make a recommendation or something that makes it very clear. There's an essay by Paul Graham, so co founder, why combinator famous for many different reasons also spectacular writer very good painter also believe. But he wrote an essay called the top idea in your mind or a top idea in your mind and it talks about effectively attention as a currency and the importance of.
There's a separate one maker schedule versus manager schedule something like that, but the importance of uninterrupted blocks of time, particularly if for instance you're dealing with a complex project. This is truth coding for instance also true writing where you're juggling like 27 balls in the year right and if you get distracted you drop four you have to start over again and you have to build that rhythm and it takes a really long time yeah.
So if I'm thinking about the pressures of or the prep for even if I'm having fun of a podcast yeah it's basically robbing myself of let's just call it 20 30 40 50% of the subconscious cycles right that I could apply to the book even when I'm not thinking about it right.
I mean for something like this I was the worst in the city but like I imagine a typical guest for you on the kind of research and due diligence side is like you know is that a couple of days work for you and the couple days in the case of some guests and be a few weeks yeah if it's way outside of my normal airs of interest.
And even if we look at a few days it's a lot of prep it's a lot of thinking about the interview even when I'm done prepping which avenues I might take based on answers that go in a particular direction. So I take the craft of podcasting very seriously although it's been a chance also for me and I wanted to take this sabbatical not just to say work on the book but to think about first 10 years have been great.
If I continue to do this which I would like to do how do I keep it as exciting for me personally as possible and if I do that can I differentiate it in a podcast ecosystem that is increasingly oversaturated yes this is the reason I just stop doing podcast yeah well I didn't stop it but I cut back to like one episode every six weeks yeah and it's because when I have a guest on I totally get where you were saying because I remember I hit you up I had a dear friend that launched a new book and you're like hey I'm not going to do that.
I'm not doing any new books and when you look at that person great book I loved it they did 10 podcasts right and they all talk about the same thing right so then you're just playing the like okay maybe I want Tim's version maybe I want you know whoever else top 10 podcaster out there yeah and but you're you're eating
Patrick and the matter what right it's just like who saw so slightly different exactly and it doesn't feel is additive to the ecosystem to just do the same thing that's going around the circuit
yeah let me get your take also for people listening I would love your take I mean I'm doing a lot of reflection of my own so not just outsourcing this but in terms of rules for myself moving forward I've thought about a few things one is to basically take a barbell approach where I'm interviewing people who effectively known as ever heard of right so who knows the
popcorn king of Milwaukee or whatever right some master who has not ever made the rounds right ideally someone for instance who's never done a long form interview like jaco willing the first time he was on the podcast whatever might be or on the opposite very far and it's someone almost everyone would know right like a Bezos or film the blank but very little in between because the podcasting circuit has largely become 20 or 30 podcasts at a time of
book authors doing the modern equivalent of a radio satellite to right and I just don't particularly want to participate in that anymore yeah right but with the Bezos that imagine like you're not going to go like hey tell me about q4 last year at Amazon no I don't want to be like make it more
telling about like how was your divorce like or you know like shit that like you could get into hopefully that is uniquely you know that you haven't heard anywhere else and I'd want it to be evergreen yeah I really don't want to and this is to my
economic detriment right but I don't want to chase the current controversy the day I don't want things that are going to expire in two months right I want my back catalog to be as interesting to people as the newer episodes yes and that's going to mean taking it probably a pretty major
financial haircut but I'm totally fine with that at this point because also you have to think about say if you're thinking about the economic side of things like there's the short term and there's the long term right if I get so apathetic or bored that I stopped doing the podcast right that's the end of the income period right right so if I ratchet it back 40% let's just say in terms of volume but I do it for longer over time
and my audience can tell that I'm really excited about the episodes that I'm putting out which I in general have been there very few compromises I made but I can see the slippery slope of just taking whatever gets pitched you by publicists for the latest and greatest book yeah so these are all considerations and I think that's a great approach I much rather see the longevity of Tim and higher quality
episodes than just being about every single and I really I don't feel like I've made many compromises but there have been a few where I'm like I don't want to do this kind of interview again yeah and I've also thought in terms of format of basically doing co hosted catch ups with friends so for instance I might have and none of these people have a great so I don't actually I'm not even going to mention names but you can imagine some of my closest friends who have been on the podcast
who are very very smart and good at asking questions I catch up with them they suggest a guest they think we could interview together and then I'm catching up with a close friend while we're interviewing someone I think that would be great I think that would be super additive to my life
yeah and then hopefully that transmits in the same way that I think a large reason and say the all in podcasts become yes really popular because of that interplay and it's fun I always enjoy this type of banter yeah and we got lots of cover today yeah why do you happen so addison are you around we have my dear friend Addison who lives here in LA who is a part time semi professional bartender mixologist not really but you know he does have a fun and he also does an AI company part time called
a pick studio dot AI which just came out with a new model and you know how these AI models are changing so fast and so I would say you know when I was first mess around with this with him like a while ago it was pretty good it was good it was like I used
it as a headshot for a couple places right but you could still kind of like look at it if you look if you squinted you'd be like AI right uncanny valley you like wait a second so they came out the new model and I wanted to show you we'll see if as it's gonna make us some drinks well I want to show you a couple pictures of yourself dude this is a brand new model shit that's insane insane and we'll put these up on YouTube and other places so people can see the images that's terrifying dude how
real does that look good you're looking this is your new dating profile picture no that one you're a little there I'm a little bit of a little preppy but you know this is like the ocean looks nice what's crazy is the kind of full body dimension accuracy yeah that's nuts yeah he was saying that you can like use the prompt now to say like this short type or like yeah so Steve jobs so looking at these photos I would say even I would be like today wait a
minute did I ever take that photo no this not me that is terrifying I know it's terrifying awesome note the same awesome and terrifying yeah so and I mean in short order already seeing memes turned into videos yes right I mean it's gonna be the Wild West it's already is it's gonna be crazy speaking of looking good though you're looking great and I want to do you're dating life update but but we need a drink first awesome yeah okay Jesus one job two jobs AI in this okay so you
are looking good you want to show off your tattoo oh yeah I just got a little crane here just machete on a on Instagram she's amazing a New York based tattoo artist she's done Bruce Willis a bunch of other really famous kind of people I was wondering why Bruce Willis on your form exactly how did you choose that you probably know this but in in Japanese lore children books and others the crane is a symbol of because of
its length they can span heaven and earth so it's used as a bridge for souls to transfer between heaven and earth I just like that lower yeah it's like it's cool and so one day I got the meditator done by her on the front of me as well so wow got got both but she's insanely insanely talented yeah beautiful or willing to her profile in the in the old show notes so you were looking really good on Instagram and
you posted that you got a vampire facial yeah vampire facial yeah so I put up a photo which popped up on my phone it was generated by the phone and it had you know today eight years ago and as a photo of me for eight years ago and I realized which I more or less hope to be the case and
really pushed for which was like all right I lost my hair pretty early and then I looked older than my friends and I was like I just need to make it like the next 10 years and train my ass off and watch my diet and I think I'll kind of flat line or plateau in terms of how I look right and so the photos made it look I think like I had largely not aged in eight years it looked amazing it looked amazing so I put up eight years on the Romanian vampire protocol trademark and then I put
RVP and parentheses will do wonders for your skin and it was a total joke on my part right unbeknownst to me though well you put you turned off comments too I turned off comments yeah there's a long extra right behind that we won't get into but the reason that was funny is because so many people
didn't get any of the feedback giving the feedback there is such thing as a vampire facial and you were joking and I looked at I was like oh shit Tim does the vampire too I'm like wow he's been doing it for a long time he's never told me about it you know so what is what is the vampire facial
about a month ago now I was at the dermatologist you know you go in once a year and get your all your warts and shit looked at to make sure you don't have a cancer and I go in there and they're like hey like you know you want some good shit you know like I have now that I'm looking at your
eyes we were talking about like crows feet and turning them back into cronuckles I don't see anything it looks good right yeah you don't even have cronuckles thank you for the compliment you know but I will tell you that you know the options they have are all of the LA shit which I don't want
to do like I don't want to get Botox on my face and shit yeah you don't want to be a lizard cat lizard cat walk among the lizard cat feedback I mean she looks horrible cuz like you can tell yeah please don't do that well I'm sure you could get by with it for a couple years and then
even you look like a plastic dude so now vampire because they are taking out your blood yes spinning it yes creating something known as platelet rich plasma yes and you've had that done before yeah when not the facial though no so talk to people while you did it prior to the
for our body or in the process of writing the for our body which is all about physical performance yeah and modification and performance enhancement that book was published in 2010 and at the time I was using PRP because it had been used at that time for certain types of joint degeneration or
orthopedic issues related to joints yes so I had interarticular joint injections in the elbows shoulders that's the one you got infected by was it one of them was sadly a disaster oh boy and whenever you inject anything there's a chance that you introduce pathogens through the
skin now what I did not realize at the time is that's particularly cleaner cool or man unnamed when they injected the elbow they used the wrong injection site and so they disinfected the surface level of the skin right but there are so many layers to the skin and it's going to
so thick on the elbow that there was staff bacteria beneath that first disinfected area the needle pushed that into the joint capsule and then within 48 hours my elbows the size of a volleyball yes and I was chatting with a doctor friend of mine who this is probably 11 pm at night San Francisco
by the way this is 12 years ago this is something I get 12 years ago remember I can be a visit to you the hospital what was that oh yes right and you squirted juice out of your mouth gross yeah so few things happened number one is my very competent doctor friend said touch your elbow is it hot
and I said yes and she said you need to go to the emergency room immediately here's the one you should go to tell them this and I did and a few hours later they're removing copious amounts of just disgusting yeah so I'm in the room monster fluid you hit me up and you're like I'm in
the emergency room whatever I've got this infection or whatever and I'm like I should go check it on Tim I go down there and I was I want to say didn't some of it squirt against the wall there was a syringe full of all this disgusting juice and so I squirted it at you like a turkey best right huh you like oh as thank you so much sir thank you very much looks amazing thanks brother yeah awesome what is it?
to kill a martini cheers this is your tequila too the invested oh yeah lolo tequila check it out only alcohol brand I've ever noticed that thank you hmm so yeah you squirted staff infection at me you fucker I did looking back at that I'm
like that's a pretty dick thing to do yeah I knew I was I wasn't getting the eyes I wasn't gonna say no of the opportunity but PRP it's a good drink it is a great drink yeah so PRP to be clear number one it's your own blood yes number two it can be in some instances really really
effective for orthopedic issues but there there's quite a bit of published literature so you can look it up I was unfamiliar with the applications to the vampire facial so I go in they draw about three vials of blood they spin it they come back with something that looks like grape juice in the
vials and then they they take a micro needling kind of like it almost looks like a some type of like automatic toothbrush or tattoo gun almost yeah and then they go across your face and they like and the first paper your skull these little tiny micro holes and then they lather it with all the PRP and then you go home and you're a little like bruised up and stuff like that and then a week later like some of the lines like just like start to get reduced yeah I'm actually kind of shocked looking
at your beautiful baby eyes thank you yeah they're gonna do four of them in total I had to get the package you say save some money you got like 20% it was a good package so you know it's like for me I'm like dude I'm fine getting old if anyone's listening to me like oh they're being too vain or whatever I'm fine with that I don't care if I get wrinkles on that that said yeah a couple more years of like
just like looking okay like doesn't hurt anybody it's natural it's my own shit yeah don't like I don't know so help the dating life to help with the dating life well I yeah modern dating you know we don't have to spend a lot of time on it a little bit though tell me what it's a like on
the other side what's it like on the other side you would Paris well I went to Paris how was it and actually I want to give them a shout out I stayed at all the women in Paris no not all women in Paris I went to an artist's commune effectively or a utopian community yet they might not like
this description's fun well it's a it's an old chateau called faitopia like in that money python the holy grail where that guy gets stuck in that do you know talk about where he gets stuck in the castle there are we are all but 20 to 30 year old women yeah I mean that was the hope
but it was it was a broader spectrum of participants and I have really been making an effort and I think there's a religious war a foot which is well there are many religious works right there's like sleep training versus attachment style parenting right people love factions and fighting yes
another one is and I've been thinking about writing a blog post about this let's just call it romance versus radical planning so when I talk about some of the more systematic ways in on approaching dating what some people will say is that's so unromantic to which I usually reply
now what does romantic mean walk me through what a week of taking a romantic approach would look like interesting usually they don't have an answer what they mean is serendipity right et cetera exactly and I am providing space for that like going to Paris or outside of Paris to something
like phatobi which was an amazing experience but I think also if you are let's just say I'll think this out loud if you're in college or if you're in a company and you're right out of college there's a lot of natural inbuilt serendipity or if you live in a place like Manhattan yeah a lot of people
are single around your age right exactly around your age around your age you do social meetups all the time you don't have things to do it now you don't have kids yet exactly yeah there's a lot of space for serendipity let's just say you already have inbuilt 30 50 60 percent serendipity where
if you want to meet literally a hundred plus new people a month it's very easy as you get older as your friends older respect beautiful face aside age out basically they're not going to be making introductions to maybe women who are in the age range I would be aiming for because I'd
like to have a few kids by logic yeah you're going down a little bit yeah yeah right and 20s I mean look I look up sure I mean maybe in the 28 to 35 range right somewhere in there 36 you'd be like all right maybe I want somebody who's ready very ready excited to build a family and also has a
good sense of their own identity feels confident and being good at having developed skills or passions in certain areas I got want them to feel very happy with what they've done so they don't have say resentment later if you like they've given up everything as it was just getting started it's a
great point so you want someone that's kind of like they've probably even established a career at this point if that's what they've chosen to do they're like they're confident who they are they're like okay I'm you know mid 30s I'm thinking about kids the next couple of years like that kind
of situation yeah exactly okay but I've realized for instance except gone on a few days with lawyers or doctors in those age ranges they've been through so much schooling they're just getting out of the gate and starting to get traction so it's very hard I think for a woman in that position
to think about having kids in the next three years right very hard right after so much investment in their education and so on so it's been a learning process I've met a lot of amazing people I think that frankly if I want to really double and triple down I just have to spend a bunch of time
in a few major cities what's the biggest turnoff for you when you sit down on a date and somebody says something or does something like what's your what's your number one like anything I can work well there are a lot of little things but I think most people would find these
irritating right if someone's late repeatedly and they don't let you know until the time you're supposed to need that's just I'm a very punctual person that's just not being an adult right I want to be with an adult right who is responsible if we're going to build a family together I
need to know you have your shit together interesting right that's fair I feel the same way if I'm even like a buddy if I'm running five minutes late I'm like hey right around the corner ball block yeah and if if someone's repeatedly late it means they probably haven't operated in higher
stress situations or environments because you get punished for that right yeah it doesn't work so that'd be one and also I would say that for me I'm looking for someone who is a compliment not a duplicate right I'm not like Tim Ferris with long hair is my ultimate nightmare like I don't
need to date that person right no we'd kill each other yeah right so that varies person to person but for me that means someone let's just say you have a spectrum like a slider in the middle this is my my working theory it seems to hold up so if you had a slider in the middle you have this is
called perfect androgyny and let we won't stumble over the terms if if you want exact definitions just choose your own but let's just say it's perfect 50 50 feminine masculine characteristics and then as you move out in either direction you kind of have a hundred percent masculine 100 percent
feminine yes I think you don't want to just don't tell me you want 50 50 no no I don't want 50 50 what I've seen in couples it really really work well yeah is they tend to be equally distant from the center oh interesting and by the way that's not a gendered thing like you could have for
instance I know couples where like the male is really playful a b and c has characteristics might be traditionally defined as feminine wife is like COO was the ship that's fine yeah but they're equally distant from that center point right and that equivalent polarity seems to work that is
fascinating because I've had this conversation where I find that if you are so in the center and you're like 50 50 and no one is stepping up to be either masculine or feminine in a traditional kind of like male female role that we're talking about here obviously there's so many other
ones out there it's very confusing yeah because you're like well either you do something or I need to do something but it's like what is this like this kind of like boring middle yeah totally I mean I think if you look at primates you look at humans it's like we like to know sort of where we
stand or like what we're supposed to do what is our job and so I think that can take a lot of different forms energetically like it let's take gender out of it like even within a company yeah I give it's a pure flat meritocracy no job titles if things get amorphous it's going to be very
confused 100 percent so I do think there's a comfort that can come that is hard to put words to with matched polarity yeah what you get it's not a gender thing it's more like a constellation of characteristics just a quick thanks to one of our sponsors and we'll be right back to the show
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oh wow look at that I'm so glad AI shaved my chest for me too I'm looking good do that is a linch hit yeah I mean that is if you were double o seven I mean honestly what's crazy to me about that is how much you actually look like that how much how great I look in those speedos but separately
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I thought people might find yeah it's there interesting so one which was recommended to me by a two-time silver medalist in Olympic archery Jake Kaminsky I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn anything about archery especially recurve he is amazing both
as a performer proven performer that is a teacher and so Jake Kaminsky with a bunch of eyes come in ski he recommended the outdoorsman atlas trainer frame systems what is this I'll tell you the problem it solves so I own a bunch of rocking sex yes backpacks I rock to with weights in them yeah
and there are few issues with the sex that I've owned to date one is that they're usually a set weight you can swap out these huge square plates secondly they don't necessarily have a waist or kidney belt so the weight is on your shoulders and not also share it on your hips right and this
particular system is effectively a frame hiking backpack that's what very well constructed right and it has plate loading on your back so you can put Olympic plates on it so any weight plates you might have in a gym or that you might buy at Dick's sporting goods or whatever that you could use
for barbell you can slap onto this that's amazing so you can adjust it in amazing increments and then use progressive resistance and do you want more weight on your hips I know I know for like don't get me wrong like obviously like long term 50 mile hikes or whatever you want to get the
the weight onto the hips you know I got my dexascand done which I'm sure you've done before low radiation yeah it calculates all different types of muscle and fat types and bone density my bone density is going down yeah me too and one of the things that atia told me and his staff was like
rocking get weight on the bones so that you can like you know maintain that bone density yep why throw it on the hips when I leave it on the shoulders all right so there are a few reasons for that the first is we've talked about this a lot on this show and offline too I've had
it's improved dramatically but for the last two years I mean I've been plagued by incredibly painful chronic low back pain you've had back issues for a long time dude especially the last two years to the point where there have been moments say you're you're in half ago where I couldn't
stand or sit for more than five minutes and did you you were carrying around that little ball or something you put behind your back wasn't there something yeah I still have that for for really uncomfortable seats five to beyond and say a plane for a few hours something like that
I use a little Pilates ball which you can fold up and stick in your pockets it's actually great for lumbar support but the point is I am specifically training for a hunt that I have at the end of this month I do not hunt often the first hunt I ever did was for the four hour chef long ago
those twenty twelve but I would have done a probably twenty ten or twenty eleven and I just feel very good about sourcing ethical clean meat with wild harvesting and in this case it's an elk hunt I've done exclusively bow for probably close to ten years now but part of that well some of the
endangered species stuff you do though I know I don't know why you sent back my snow leopard pancakes yeah exactly no in this case you do it the right way you get tags everything is wildlife management but if you're going to do that you're going to be at high altitude you're going to be in this
case it's called bivy hunting I'm going to be carrying everything how do you have so many flies in your life it's the same California for corking studio and any kids it likes you I know I love you to fly so you're going to be carrying basically your camp with you every day and that's
probably going to be between nine and twelve thousand feet above sea level and then if you harvest an animal you're going to be fuel dressing it breaking it down into pieces and you but be carrying an additional fifty pounds you don't want all that on your shoulders that would also be very bad
idea for me not that you would do it anyway in that circumstance to load that on my shoulders which would place a lot of that on my lower back which is compromised I have some pathological issues with my low back and my SI joint so I shift a lot of it to the hips you are
taking some of it on the shoulders you have any meat Sherpas or anything that go with you I think we might have one or two people who are there just to be part of the trip and might help with carrying but you keep mine like if you take down a larger bowl elk you might have I mean hundreds
of pounds of meat how do you keep that meat fresh there's a number of different no number of different ways you might approach it given the time of year and the elevation it's going to get pretty cold so a lot of folks first would hang the meat as they're sort of deconstructing the
animal in the field and let it cool down then you put it into meat bags which look like big socks effectively and then how they're going to actually protect that a camp or how they'll place it etc remains to be seen I am always going out with people who are effectively professional
outdoorsmen who make I'm always the slow fat kid always so part of the reason I'm training my ass off is to not completely embarrass the person who invited me that's going to be awesome though yeah that's great so I'm doing a lot of rucking also doing a lot of training on activating say
glute medias performance hip internal external rotators and the more I do that the less the obliques and other muscles turn on to compensate and stabilize the low back and the less low back pain I have so that's been another big breakthrough in terms of the low back issues but honestly if you
do some rucking maybe some kettlebell swings once or twice a week some push ups and some core work you're done like you're really hitting everything yeah I love rucking rucking has been kind of my three to five days a week four miles each time with elevation and it's just like you just
in an hour and a half you oh we got a new car we got refill coming in hot what is this okay sorry I know you like to kill up to pause yeah yeah this is called a fairbanks fairbanks what's in it apricot lecord well this is one of your favorites I know this one yeah
uh betters and rai whiskey rai apricot lecord and thank you betters and rai whiskey oh yeah we appreciate that cheers exactly ten miles of water fly after we go yeah fireball shots cheers coming hmm cheers there we go reaction shot this is one of his favorite drinks to make
that's really nice and I said not to sweet it's not too sweet and that good and it has the fancy ice cubes too yeah spirit for it that's in my dating bio exactly so what pairs for the obviously but want to tell me tell me tell me because they got a good fashion sense up well you know
part of what I was interested to see I spent almost eight weeks in Europe was how does dating differ in different places in Europe you're softer out there though you like that not necessarily not necessarily no so it varies tremendously by country out say and of course there's a huge
range within each country but let's say in dating in france is very different from dating in Madrid which is very different from dating in other places it really varies not tremendously but part of what I'm hoping for is finding someone in these these women exist but a lot of women
understandably from a million reasons feel very conflicted and are put in I think a difficult position frankly when thinking about career kids basically trying to do more than any person in history had to do yeah four or 50 years all right let's think about it back into this we
we know I'm just saying no I know I hear you say it's very challenging so what what I want to get a real clear signal on is that somebody is excited to be a mom in the same way that I'm excited to be at that and that it's not well all my friends are getting married I guess this is what you do
right even though I'm gonna make all these compromises and might resent it later I don't want to subject a kid to that yes potential risk right that's wise of you yeah so so that's what I'm looking for and but it's not there isn't some garden of Eden where you magically just walk down
whole foods and pick up you know women like that but there are some significant cultural differences from place to place yeah yeah let's let's move on all right so I have a gift for you I have a gift I'll kind of you oh well this is called a fino this is my buddies a new startup okay and in the
thank you self experimenting kind of crazy vein of things all right I want to show you this now fino feno yeah so this is okay this is a beta yeah okay so you can't laugh me because remember you're gonna be doing this by yourself okay it's not like a flashout or anything okay what the
fun so this is a medically proven way to brush your entire mouth in 20 seconds wow okay so all right that's interesting so watch this oh wow you're gonna try it yeah I'll take a look at this here you put those foam in here yeah and so there's this they have this little app that custom
creates a mold I estimate by this from Adam porn hub so this is gonna look a little mouth aggressive okay so if you're watching the video forward mouth aggressive that's also my file exactly so what you do is that this was created by a couple founders that you know obviously
were one of them was the dentist and they figured out that you know compliance is really hard with people say the everyone says they floss they don't you know like I do but G floss oh like sometimes today so check this out so I'm put this in my mouth and this is gonna wrap around both sides
how are you gonna rinse that I don't know all right let's say let's see it's gonna be good uh-huh I couldn't stop it okay hold on you're thinking that you definitely bought that on porn hub no I do not but it works surprisingly well I'll try it I got one for you thank you I got to
say that I do love it has sensors in there I know I know I bet it does you're doing it by yourself so you just look like you're getting mouth-wrapped I can see you winking I can see you winking it is aggressive but I will say that it is very it does a very good job cleaning aggressive
but effective aggressive but effective and it's 20 seconds which is great they have sensors that actually scan your gums look at gum health and can send it back to your doctor what on that device on the device built into the device okay and so your doctor can actually see recession and like
things are happening with your gum so it's like a very tech forward device you know I had my first real surgery was when I was a kid for receding gingiva I actually had a huge piece of my upper while I was there only palette removed and grafted holy shit onto my lower arms like sugar and
shit like what you know it's just genetic like my my gum is for receding when I was a kid who's I don't know how old I was maybe 12 something like that was brutal as the first time I've ever done that that was uh oh vigorous yeah it's uh it's like it's like uh I was so it's stretched
set that I did not video that from this direction we got it gone over that camera oh that's the slow mo we need that slow mo so is the intro to the episode listen hey you know what's funny is like when I was putting together these stories for the random show I'm like I love if you look
back historically and all the years we've been doing this episode yeah we've had some of the most craziest stupidest shit yeah and talked about the dumbest stuff I mean we already today talked about you squirting your freaking infectious fluid out of my body like we've done some weird shit and so
I always try and like to find stuff I mean this is like both cool every once in a while one of those things five years later look at that exactly I remember dude I talked about a theory for the first time on the show I do when was that that was God that was a long time ago I was
when I was still living in my first place in San Francisco I watched the clip and I'm like oh there's this one cryptocurrency yeah usually doing and you're like no no tell me tell me and I'm like well it hasn't launched yet you're like what is it I'm like what's called a theory when was that that
was like 20 like it had to be like yeah 2014 or something I mean it was way back then it was way back with the stuff I remember exactly we were sitting by the fireplace in my first rental in San Francisco it was cool spot yeah all right your turn what do you got my turn I would say
that I can't say too much about it you're gonna hate that but we never asked what your book was about but anyway I can't really so I never talk about a superstition that may actually have something to it so I as well as a handful of other authors I know really well who've written a lot
of books feel like there is such a thing as let's call it memetic release and what I mean by that is I think it's fairly frequently observed that you'll have some in as an example intractable scientific problem or some scientific problem that researchers around the world are grappling with
and there's almost no apparent major progress made for years and years and years and then within the same two-week period people in all these different locations suddenly make breakthroughs what is happening there and what I have observed and again this is getting into maybe what people
would consider magical thinking but I can't explain it doesn't mean there isn't an explanation when people talk about ideas that idea seems to suddenly pop up in a lot of other places now you could make the argument that that's maybe expectancy bias right you buy a if you buy a
Hyundai it's a red Hyundai then you see it's red all you see is red Hyundai so there could be an element of that but there seems to be more to it which is part of the reason why I don't talk about the key core concepts in a book before I release something but I will say in terms of progress
in case anybody's wondering have probably five to six hundred pages drafted oh shit it's a big book got a lot yeah I mean all my books are phone books and that is going to cut down probably well actually it's probably going to get to like 800 and then I'll get cut down to like 500 or 400
did you use an AI in crafting this I did not not yet okay not yet will you apply that to some of the chapters I might apply it in combination with test readers looking for gaps in material basically use AI as a critic right and try to find gaps that would be ultimately helpful to
mainstream or a larger audience of readers I could see using it that way I did a really cool thing the other day where I took a credit custom chat GPT and I uploaded I went back and I looked at every single book that Warren Buffett had ever recommended okay the intelligent investor like all
these right and I found the pds for all the other because they're like you school they're there yeah and I uploaded them all to the chat GPT and I said you're my investment advisor what should I do in this particular situation huh and I'm asking questions of this custom save chat GPT based on all
Buffett's favorite books it's freaking fast you know you could probably also do is take all his annual letters oh yeah well 100 percent I have that there's a book about his annual letters and I uploaded it into the green cover yeah they're in there yeah yeah so okay that's and so cool what
I've got well I just got some insights like I was asking like by Lucille yeah turns that index fun so it says back to me yeah like you idiot stop don't not smart yourself yeah but I mean there's very specific questions you have around you know timing of markets or not that I didn't ask that
particular question but like you know things around the markets where you're like okay how do you feel about our current state when we think there's gonna the Fed is gonna cut rates over the next 12 months you know what do you think about bonds blah blah and it just like spits back very intelligent
responses based on historic data which I find is just like I mean that is so cool it's really cool anyway I'm excited for your book we win the launch so wouldn't we talk and I mean you're 536 pages in so I've been thinking about a few different options one is doing it the way that I
have done it in the past which is to release it all at once as a book launch there will definitely be some new experimental wrinkles to that no matter what traditional publisher because before you did Amazon I think you did oh well I did Amazon publishing which at that time you could consider
a traditional publisher so the structure is very similar and they just had the distribution advantage in Amazon this time around we'll see I mean I could very easily see doing ebook audio on my own or through an Amazon platform and then possibly doing a print only deal
or doing print on demand frankly like the quality print on demand is improved so much yes it's absolutely perfectly sufficient dude I was it Ryan holidays I went to his bookstore outside of Austin what is it painted porch it's great great bookstore he has the best bookstore yeah what a life
yeah I love him he's such a good dude I went to his bookstore and beautiful it's it's it's such a beautifully curated art project yes that is driven by him yes if you want to see sort of a new manifestation of the best of old school bookstores visit painted porch yeah and it's like about a half
hour to 40 minute drive outside of Austin he's got cats walking around there it's all of his favorite books he even has cats yeah there's even cats for the cat lovers but that's the thing I would say it was really cool is that he actually had his books printed like higher in versions of his books
like leather bound like super high inversions yeah that he had done that was just insane quality yeah beautiful like and those are kind of like as you need them like kind of like on demand you as a bit of trivia for folks well I'll give trivia on trivia so trivia trivia wreath three roads
it's actually these little chachkis that travelers have put down for good luck on their path at intersections of paths that's where trivia comes from but separately the painted porch refers to stoicism which comes from the Greek stoa because early iterations of
the Philseuffle attendants of stoicism were taught in this open air porched area so that is why his bookstores called the painted porch we got 14 year old toaster oh yeah come in the business you're saying he's totally deaf but he's still remembers me came up with my face you know
he did he's done courses of rap and my son oh yeah yeah so I put him on it a few years ago and and it seems to be working I mean dude you see him he's moving around great he's almost 14 I know this brings back so many memories I mean back way way back in the day I'm looking at Dari hi Dari
I remember recording on your couch this was backstall dig dig days yeah and and toaster is a little pepper and he was chewing on the XLR cables and almost killed our podcast and killed himself yes and here he is all these years later wagging his tail yeah I caught him like halfway through one time
a an actual full like voltage cable so rather my son we've probably talked about before but people can check out I'm not sure what this current status is but the dog aging project I did a podcast with Matt Caproly yeah University of Washington you and I both support that funding wise to
fund that and power that study yep yep yeah so yeah PRT uh yeah so did um Brian Armstrong from Coinbase like we all kind of shipped in to see what we have really really really fascinating work so people are interested in rap and my son for potential longevity applications can take a
look at that I didn't interview separately with Matt Caprolyne which I really really enjoyed what else do you have I have one quick update one just for for people to check out so original love Henry Schochman's new book who is my Zen master gotta give him a plug he's such an awesome
he's great guy and uh uh his his app the way fantastic meditation app you and I are both investors in I always want to give Henry some love because he's such a good soul and you did some mix so that's called original original love yeah all right you did some training recently and you
sent me the schedule the daily schedule what did your daily schedule look like and how long did it last so I went to a five day silent meditation retreat with his master who is the head of the Zen sect out of Japan fluent for this into Santa Fe New Mexico and so I will tell you when you sit
with Henry and you do I've done a seven day silent retreat with him in the past if it's just mountain cloud Zen center which is his Zen center it's probably four hours of sitting a day and then there's like you know walking meditation and stretching like when the Zen masters there like when
the guy from Japan's there like it's like legit how weak it's hell weak for meditation so I was up five a.m. every morning and I didn't get to bed till probably like released at like 830 and I was sitting for most of the day so one thing I wanted to ask you about because I saw it in there
there's a lot of sitting meditation I'm like okay that's since uncomfortable doing that for eight hours a day which you know I tried once people who want to read about my like complete you're all doing mushrooms at the same time and fasting for like six days yeah people want to read about
myself inflicted implosion that's in a separate interview but the chanting before mealtime yeah what's the story here in Zen traditional monasteries and went out where they have actual monks there is a lot of it's it's only like ten minutes yeah it's just kind of reciting try chanting
for ten minutes tell me it's only no but it's just like reciting a lot of the the pre-seps and a lot of like is it in English Japanese sometimes in Japanese some of the English depending on who's running it do you have a little like some book that you read from okay is one is in Japanese 100%
yeah yeah I don't even know what I'm saying I could be like large shanky cock yeah like Donald's doggy cock garbage bag yeah so try Sarah tops I don't know let's say but it's it's quite nice it's just like a way to kind of like in-cap a set you know and then and then move into the next thing so
good after being totally silent oh my gosh just to like hear some voices I know I I went out afterwards because I was waiting for my plane to fly out and I went to this place because Santa phase known for their like chilies like they're good chilies and I had like because like you
vegetarian food the entire week you know it's immediately wondering how that go for you oh dude I was straight to a double chili burger and a large IPA like straight up the gate which is actually you sent photos yeah yeah you to you in soccer yeah that's right oh yeah so was that
disaster pants 30,000 it was definitely like my stomach was not happy I was I was paying for that but yeah so I do how much time do you have because I know you have five time okay I've covered I got a really crazy one let's do crazy okay crazy we cut it out if you can't but
yeah are you are talking about cloth oh yeah yeah I mean so Peter Tia did a fantastic episode which we both I would say would highly recommend yeah with Hundina who is a fantastic researcher at a UCSF she has identified a compound called cloth though which is just absolutely insane yeah
so in fairness it was identified by Japanese researchers sorry sorry I'm not going to have it but she's spent a good part of a career is one of the foremost experts yes for sure yeah so she did she did an episode with the Tia that was a deep dive for about an hour and a half and it is I
mean do you do you have the the kind of stats in front of you I can ballpark it if you want why don't you ballpark it so the ballpark it in my understanding is that so cloth would just let people know is it's naturally produced in humans especially under high intensity kind of
interval exercise so you get more natural level this we all have in our blood right now as you age you get less of it okay so the interesting thing in humans that they know is that people that have these there's two genes and there these genetic polymorphisms and if you are an overproducer if
you have these snips where you're an overproducer meaning you naturally produce more of this cloth though you just get dramatically less dementia risk and even if the very famous genaut there is the apoe apoe apoe three apoe four genes whereas if you are a four carrier meaning like most people are
three three if you're a three four you're like something like five to seven times more likely to get Alzheimer's if you're four four you're kind of fucked it's like 80% of people get Alzheimer's or something like that if you have one of these snips and you are way more likely to get it but
you're also an overproducer cloth though it evens out the playing field you have the same risk of dementia so now the crazier shit is like forget the mouse today's the mouse days are all awesome they reverse dimension all that show in the given cloth though when you give it to monkeys even if
they don't have dementia they're like instantly this is subcutaneous shot monkey limitless they instantly become like 20% smarter like for four weeks instantly from just getting a little boost of cloths going to be in the headline monkey limitless do it's nuts it's nuts so you know we're very
close to finishing the deal but at true ventures we're writing a very big check that I'm leading around into we're gonna get this in humans the next year and a half you're gonna participate at the at the at the is gonna participate and I can read quickly yeah please just for people who
want to check it out so this is the name I believe it's the name of the episode that Peter has on the drive which is his podcast a breakthrough in Alzheimer's disease the promising potential of clotho for brain health cognitive decline and is a therapeutic tool for Alzheimer's disease so I
have Alzheimer's on both sides of my family so this is but you're three three though right I'm a three three okay but I have been interested in tracking this for so long in terms of possible therapeutic interventions yes that's why I studied neuroscience initially as an undergrad yes that's
why I was initially the very first check I ever cut for supporting science was for Adam Gazali and some of his early stuff that's awesome way back in the day I've also given Adam some cash to go do you know yeah Adam check him out he's been on the podcast as well and the description
is I'll just give you this very quickly so Dina Dubal is a physician scientist and professor of neurology at UCSF whose work focuses on mechanisms of longevity and brain resilience in this episode Dina Dolves Dolves huh yeah that's the bitter stockin Dina Delves into the interracuse the Alzheimer's
disease longevity factor cloth though it's formation and distribution in the body the factors such as stress and exercise that impacts its level and it's profound impact on cognitive function and overall brain health I don't want to skip over the exercise yes because while you're waiting for this to be available is a subcutaneous or intramuscular shot I think it should be effective subcutaneous uh that's by the way that's the way they've going to the monkeys that's yeah that's why it's very easy
uh very very very simple it's like using a zempoic or is a zempoic subcutaneous yeah yeah very very simple to do not painful before that is available exercise yes exercise is arguably the most potent way to increase your circulating levels of cloth though yes so we're very excited for this
the potential application here is huge obviously this could be the ozempo for the mind we'll see we'll we'll know more in a bit and once this gets funded um excited to see where it goes but I think this is what I love about just our ability finally at this stage in life Tim like I you've
done so much on the psychedelic research side which has been amazing on the philanthropic side to watch happen and like you know I started a new sub stack which is like a paid you know newsletter record up one more private community and a hundred percent of the proceeds from the
first month are going into fund a mat walker sleep study in which he's identified some anti-oxidants that he believes can repair a bad night's sleep and so to mat walker for those people who don't recognize the name amazing a super sweet guy brilliant research yeah I just have them on the podcast
also wrote why we sleep yes which was a mega mega bestseller yeah and and that's uh it's such a fantastic like well-rounded researcher in the beautiful voice too yeah I mean he he's it accent dulcet velvet british tones soothing exactly he could read the cheesecake factory menu
into next book and I would and I would listen to it yeah so that's exciting like I'm very excited to like I think you and I both enjoy this idea of like moon shots around you know science yeah because it's like it's it's severely underfunded and if you do you can do a lot with very little
a lot with very little yeah because otherwise this is part of why on a lot of levels I find it certainly as exciting as the startup investing yeah is you have these potentially sort of history bending scientific developments or discoveries that will take years and years
and years to fund the through traditional grant writing and government support and if you are able to I know this is not pocket change but if you're able to cut a check quickly for say 25 50 grand the check I cut for Adam way back in his 10 grand that was a big check for me you can actually make
a difference can I give you an example this you can accelerate it quickly yeah please so Dina who's the principal investigator at UCSEP for on cloth though I had a conversation with her and I said hey what's the study that you want to do right now on cloth though that would take you you know
a year or so to get the grants and like bubble she's like I got this one that you know I want to I want to kind of look downstream a little bit further and we can tag cloth on see where it goes and all this stuff and I'm like what is that cost and she's like 50k as like holy shit I'm like do you have the researchers ready to go she's like I can start this tomorrow and so you know I donated some stock that were these little time distributions that I'd received over time and I just donated
stock to UCSF and now she has the funding and she already started the study like a week and a half later and it's like I know that's a lot of money to a lot of people so please like I'm not trying to flex here on the on the cash side but I'm just saying like even a thousand dollars even but even
like sometimes if you get to know these researchers or you hear about something on a T.O. podcast or your podcast where you're like wow that's great science being done you can call them up you can email them and say hey how can I contribute a hundred dollars here and oftentimes it can be tax deductible depending on the organization and like oh almost always yeah almost always tax deductible and I will say this doesn't have to be a super high concept doing the greatest good for the greatest
number of people motivation it can be but it is so exciting and gratifying to catalyze science that could I think without making it sound too exaggerated I mean change the world literally in the case of say a cloth oh two and the fact that you can expedite it for relatively you know the cost of a car dude is nuts so my mom now sometimes sadly thinks my sister is her mom and she has dementia and it's not thankfully it's not Alzheimer's so we've we've been with this for about seven years now
and you know we're gonna put this in humans in a year and a half my mom's turning 84 in a few weeks and it's like I don't know there's a chance we get this in in a couple years and we get some more great memories back we get a little bit more of like even not even the I can't guarantee what's
gonna happen but even just like a little bit more awareness would be beautiful you know beautiful so it's like this is what what motivates me more than anything and we're at an age also where it's like almost every friend and our same cohort is having this experience 100 percent at least one
parent usually both I'm sure ever there's a our style of people listening right now like three at the ends 100 percent and it's so painful watch I remember watching my grandparents kind of descend to the point yeah where they didn't necessarily recognize me brother or anything
like that and if you could just add a few years right or cut down on the symptoms by 20 percent totally so significant yeah for not just their quality of life hopefully but also the interpersonal relationships yes the relationships is the big thing when people go they go but just to have that
like awareness of who is around you when you do go I think it's just like it's such a huge deal well what else you got I got it some crazy ones I got more crazy ones but bring some crazy so I talked to my dead dad via a medium okay all right didn't see that coming yeah yeah
yeah this is all my list of stories to talk about all right yeah tell me so my tattoo artist was out here and and and give me this fantastic tattoo Jess is awesome and she was like hey this is crazy shit that happened to me and I'm like what's up and she's like I tattooed this woman that was
a medium and she gifted me a free session and I'm like was it crazy and she's like you have no idea she's like okay a bunch of people so cute the tussers kind of like I do you keep coming to say I don't know so you know I'm the biggest skeptic on this shit I take this is like entertainment value
right yeah and so she was like no you don't understand someone I don't want to get into her personal details but someone that was not directly related to her but one step removed hmm like a affirmative family had been shot and killed oh and this person came in and said listen
I had been it's this is not Google bull you couldn't have found this anywhere was like I in the person that was shot in this particular location at this particular spot like crazy scary like really accurate and I was like oh my god like didn't she keep going and I'm not going to go
into her personal details but like enough to where I was like give me the number like no me no this you know I want to like book this 150 dollar session right 150 and so I book it and it's early because she's like back east and I'm like get up at 7 a.m. like barely have my coffee and
there's like she goes oh my god she goes there is this person that is like beating down my door to talk to you and I'm like okay and she's like wait this is what the medium said medium said yeah okay you're on zoom all right and I'm like okay like and you don't just gotta just gotta start
up and and please dog cosmetics yeah exactly they want to pitch you because it's a great pre-money valuation the only one a million dollars like if the dog cosmetics or it's gonna boom watch so it's the next AI so basically I was like you know I'm kind of like early whatever
and I'm like okay I'm very Google bull you know like I'm aware of that right and like you can find out things about my dad and stuff like that and she's like it's a man he passed from some heart tension in my dad I have a heart I was joking I'm like okay I want to let you Google that you
know and then she's like describing all kinds of stuff and even including like a fight with my mom the night before little tiny bit so my sister did it too and we didn't tell me we were relating so it was different last name oh nice and so with my sister it was like oh he's good
with numbers who's in account and he was just like saying that he kept saying the number three is there and she's like is there a third sibling and I've never told anybody this but I have a half sister I didn't know about that's never been on the internet and I was like I started saw me do
immediately because like I get that it's entertainment value yeah but just to feel and when she said she goes he's very proud of you and that just hit me like you know it's like I don't care if it's real or not yeah just to hear that and even if 2% of your body can say that might be real
you immediately break down yeah and so like snots coming on my nose and shit over zoom and like there's no filter to turn that off and like it's just like it was it was just very therapeutic you know and I was just like holy shit and then amount of shit that she got right was scary
did she with fun anything trying to think oh gosh you know it's funny it's like once you start believing it once you're like halfway and you don't want to ask any like questions that might get them to this confirm yeah exactly and so but but I got to say like there was a bunch of stuff
where she was like your girls and one of them looks a lot like your dad and has it same kind of energy and he likes to like watch them play because he thinks it's really cute how one of them is like this and like was predicting their personalities like to the tea like like absolutely perfect
and so then I have Darya do it my wife and her mom comes to her and scary accurate again and everyone's gonna be asking for this you are all I swear I'm not trying to like plug any like me here in like cell so medium things but it was insane dog cosmetics dot com slash kevco exactly
they get the coupon code do you have anybody that's passed away that you'd want to talk to sure yeah I mean if I could right I mean I'm very yeah I mean I've gone out to the edges pretty hard in my sort of subjective experience yeah a lot of experiments but I would say I've also watched
for instance there's a documentary about the amazing Randy called an honest liar and I've watched documentaries on mentalists and do you watch say performers like Darren Brown who are like how they can read in my clean in I mean the stuff they can do is just like beyond I shouldn't
say it's beyond explanation but it's very hard to explain they're very convincing right so I'm I'm very skeptical but if I could somehow assure myself that I had shielded them from the potential of googling things and figuring things out right right if I could come in blind like maybe the
appointment's maybe someone else's name and then I show up yeah Tim bearers and then I'm like okay right tell me I mean certainly I'm I'm game to try yeah I'll I'll pay for your session I want you to see see if I'll try this I'll try this holds up for for anybody yeah I'll try it like I'm
you my feeling is and this is maybe people are gonna make wow Tim Ferriss is we're in a tinfoil hat and we've lost him he's out at sea especially after my sort of like mimetic contagion comment earlier but there are a lot of I think it's very it's impossible to dispute that there's a lot we
don't understand yes that does not mean that these things are unexplainable it's not invoking us serally the supernatural per se but there's a lot of weird shit that we can't currently explain and so in the meantime if we're waiting for a scientific agreement or consensus or breakthrough
that is accepted I'm happy to experiment right as long as as long as you have some preparation and safeguards in advance so that you're not a mark for fooling yourself really easily is she never so out of myself Daria my sister she never asked for a rebook appointment in fact my sister she
had a bunch of people that came to her that she didn't recognize and she got to my dad like a little bit later she's like listen I'm so sorry this never happens I want to get I want to give you a free session for free come back next time like it was very weird there was none of that like
salesy shit yeah I'm always a look out for that kind of stuff anyway we'll have your time's up like cliffhanger yeah exactly exactly oh yeah he gave me he gave me five of the winning lottery to get number oh sorry right at time yeah but I just you know it was one of these random things
that you just walk into in life and you say yes to and it was like weird I mean look I'll give you this is like two drinks definitely informing what I'm about to say but in my experience so I get say soft tissue treatment once a week right I get like massage tree was that handy no what does
that mean no dragon rolls no happy endings I'm saying just massage treatment like I have people working on me broken my body so many times and there are certain people who have bizarre abilities that they cannot explain like they are just good at like the raky people
doesn't necessarily even have to be that far field from manual therapy there are just some people who have very seemingly strange abilities and they have incredible track records and when they try to teach other people their method it does not translate their disciples are unable to do
what they do and I don't know how to explain that but like there seems to be an extreme variance right between outcomes right and there's some people who are very purely secular they have their technique they can explain it and they're effectively you know architects and carpenters of the
human body and they're able to do some miraculous actions in miraculous but like predictably effective things based on their understanding of the human body then there are people who just seem to operate on a different channel and I don't know what to make of that and any I would
say any athlete like who is competed for a long time or had a lot of manual therapy will have a story about someone like this why do you say athlete well just because they're going to injure themselves or have more they're just going to have more table time yeah then an average
person right yeah you talk to average person on street I mean by and large like when you have your last massage like never five years ago two years ago whereas if somebody is a very serious athlete they're probably getting some type of manual therapy right once ever I mean at least once
a month if not once a week if they're like an Olympic sprinter or something they're probably getting it every day or every other day like that can I ask you a question that you may want to cut from the podcast you told me once that during one of your ayahuasca sessions that it was either
someone had spoken in a different tongue that they didn't know or there was something crazy what is the craziest Tim Ferriss Supernatural thing that you've ever seen in your life so I there's a good question I'm going to pull out the supernatural just because okay natural hypernatural
simply because I I don't think these things are beyond explanation we just lack perhaps the tools or the measurement yeah we just we we can't currently investigate any of these phenomena granular enough way to make it the gratifying sure yeah okay so give me a couple good ones come
yeah I give you some good ones I mean so I have a decent amount of flight time I guess we can call it I have seen on a few now what I'm going to do is I'm going to I'm going to describe what I saw okay and then I'm going to debunk it and I know you don't lie which is what's awesome
like I know you long enough to know that you're very very trustworthy like legit person you don't embellish which I think is great yeah I try not to and I also try to cross examine right so yeah you're very skeptical dude yeah so I love it's great so I've seen a few people this is first person
speaker saying in languages that they do not speak during like in tongue shit where you're like I can't understand you know you can no no no no they you can hear them like coherently and you speak a lot of languages yeah I do so were they ever speaking a language that you understood
we're like no what language Spanish well that's easy one they could have watched enough like no no no no no no these are people without any exposure or they didn't watch door the or the thing is like they could have or I'm not fluent in these languages but like the people are
like from the people can you will people or like like Kichua Lamysta like like white people coming in like yeah like you didn't have any they're coming in blind they they couldn't even tell you the names of these stripes like like one or two words relating no we're talking like an hour what yeah
and you've seen his first hand yes and I also have what I would consider credible witnesses people who are hyper competent in their own lives they have very effective careers etc etc these are not people who are just like naval gazing yeah folks who do by personal development seminars every
two days and yeah have a job these are real operators who have seen in one instance you know this woman who ended up speaking what sounded like in tongues but there was an academic there who later was like oh that was it was something like ancient language it was something
that he could identify and he's like oh yeah it's a dead language he's like but I've studied enough of it it's like that's what she was she was she was she was standing in no so if I were to take the debunk side of this I would say well everyone's tripping balls so like let's be honest
right right everybody could just be making up the like never-ending story fantasy that they want to to be true because they're trying to recapture some mystery in a world that seems just like profane and disgusting and this is all ayahuasca those examples are all ayahuasca but it's not it's not
limited to that it seems to be particularly prevalent like reports let me be clear not occurrences but reports of these types of events or phenomena are most widely reported it seems in cases of ayahuasca but the format I think matters in the sense that it may not be limited to ayahuasca which is a
brew it's a combination of different plants so benestar yaps is copy in the case of the vine and then secotri of veritas if they're using chakruna also another name for the same thing so it's a bit of a cocktail right you can think of it as an old-fashioned like there are a lot of ways to put a spin on an old-fashioned and depending on the brew it's going to be very very different I have one the other day with the cognac and it was so good so I can tell you what is not delicious
as ayahuasca but the point I was going to make is that I think the reports in part are more frequent with ayahuasca than say psilocybin or psilocybin mushrooms as saying or lst because ayahuasca is almost by default at least in the syncretic kind of mistiso neoshamanic formats that you see say
in North America and at a lot of the ayahuasca tourism places it's inevitably in a group context right and so when you have a group together the dynamic the potential for storytelling the volume of things that you will observe from other people is just higher than if you're laying on
a map by yourself in mushrooms so I think since that shared experience is such a intrinsic part of most ayahuasca circles as North sort of North Americans experience it that it's almost inevitable they are going to get more reports of these types of things yeah yeah and who knows maybe
people are just hearing and seeing what they want to say right they are ultimately considered hallucinogens although I do think there's more to the story that's crazy yeah yeah I mean and I you know I will say like when you're listening to anyone talk about fucking crazy down which is what
we're talking about right now and this is not to say that I'm the the ultimate impeccable objective witness of reality but you just have to ask yourself like has this person demonstrated the ability to reason and logic their way through other complicated problems right because if they haven't
demonstrated that and they believe in the fucking tooth fairy and right spirits in ayahuasca then you really you don't have a basis for judging their judgment right but if someone comes in and they are demonstrably world class in a bunch of domains a real operator very skeptical and nonetheless
they have these experiences and they're just like what the fuck yeah was that exactly then it's more interesting yeah I had a jet Navy fighter pilot named Ryan Graves on my podcast I'm great yeah like like the like the Uber Ryan craze but fighter pilot yeah okay and he's the one that
came out and said I saw some crazy alien ships in the sky yeah and we talked an hour and a half for what it's like and when the training that he does and the sensors that they have in these jets yeah and you're like there is nothing like this guy is the most credible dude on earth like he's a
retired Navy fighter pilot like you know was there was no like he wasn't like oh we got here we go oh my god we got a corner bit here we go what is this so this is uh I sent some egg whites so unfortunately I got a egg white thank you thank you it's apricot with corgan apologize
ooh I like this little this this little close book very nice what Kevin sorry sorry to it's please please please must be some some decorum sorry let me do get ours and then your whole thing is tequila there oh yeah oh nice that's not the heat yeah I'll walk a lot
I'll walk yeah egg white egg white and it's healthy it's basically a protein shake yeah exactly so to what Kevin uh to uh experimentation to experimentation oh that's a thing that's probably the best one yet outstanding I'm gonna be laying on you get on a fly your
all right so what do you have do you have anything else or do you want me to go on I got like one or two more if you want to mind you fire away I mean basically here there are a few things that I can recommend just in case yeah so people are looking yeah I'll I'll make it fast so just in case
people are looking for a couple of recommendations for things that over the last few months I have found really compelling in viewing or reading a few things so one is Jerry Seinfeld's Duke commencement speech oh yes amazing amazing amazing yeah just trust me check it out yes then there's a very old
documentary that I watched again David Hockney the art of seeing and David Hockney is incredibly well-known artist perhaps Britain's best loved living artist art of seeing art of seeing really dives into through interviews his way of viewing the world art and life it's tremendous
and you can find it on YouTube you might be able to find it elsewhere but it's actually surprising the hard to find in terms of books after many many people recommended it and I had a hell of a time getting into it it took 20 or 30 pages so just suffer through the first 20 or 30 pages
it is one of the most beautifully written books I've ever read it also probably the most brutal book it is just brutal brutal brutal called brutal in my way like okay so it's called Blood Meridian by Carmichael McCarthy and it's selected yeah you can get an odd while I listen to it it was actually
great narration selected by the Atlantic as one of the great American novels of the past 100 years oh shit here's an endorsement one of the quotes from Michael Herr I think that's I said it's your quote a classic American novel of regeneration through violence McCarthy can only be compared to
our greatest writers like Melville etc etc and this is his masterpiece so it's brutal in the sense that it is set in the Wild West but the Hobbsian behavior of humans and just like evil acts of brutality are are just beyond for this could be like a quentin Tarantino film in like 10 years
got a thing or five years it would be hard to make an adaptation I think it'd be hard to solve because people just come out of the movie theater being like what the fuck did I do to myself but the pros the pros is so gorgeous I mean this is one of those books yeah that I listen to and I was
like I just fucking hang out my spurs and be done with writing like this writing is so good whole five this writing is so good maybe this guy's an alien like he's it doesn't seem conceivable to me that a human could produce this it's so good now I will warn you if you listen to the audiobook
in the beginning of chapters they've these ran they're not quite ran about they're foreshadowing snippets of different phrases and it's confusing as fuck on the audiobook okay so when he's like Marshmallow tobacco a man finds a dog hat in the wind you know what the fuck is happening
the perfect that in Tarantino like little like slide that they put up on the screen they always put yeah exactly so that's at the beginning of every chapter but it's outstanding if you want something that is shorter and also metaphorically quite beautiful the bear by Andrew Krivak I think
if I'm saying his name correctly is a beautiful story of a girl and her father who lived close to the land in the shadow of a lone mountain the father teaches the girl had a fish and hunt the secrets of the seasons in the stars he's preparing her for an adulthood in harmony with nature for
there the last of humankind I'll just stop there it's beautiful I finished it in a handful of days it's very short that's a very special book really really fast if you're doing documentaries I want to throw one out there do you've probably seen this and I just watch it again for the second
time it's called the birth of sake never seen it what no oh dude this is a big we tasted a lot of socket we did yeah we went to actually like I know the breweries yeah to took it right out of the spiket it was amazing so good so the birth of sake is about a like traditional handmade like there's
only like a thousand left like there used to be like four thousand like a decade ago and that's the thin down to a thousand handmade sounds like you've been and well they're they're like it machines and automation all that are like taking over and this is about I didn't know if you
knew this but like if you're actually making socket you have to tend to it for about six months around the clock and so they get together in these like little tiny micro homes where they live they leave their families and they just work on socket for six months and so this covers like old men young men coming in like tradition the handing off of of of rains to one generation to another you know somebody dying like the whole thing and it's beautiful and this little tiny brewery called
Yoshida brewery and so there's a there's a great store in San Francisco I'm sure you probably remember it called true sake remember over in a page over on out sorry and he's valid yeah yeah so they actually they're called Hitori Musume which means single daughter which to this day I've been trying
to find so good so so they they actually sell this I found this like I have it upstairs we can take a sip of it up but it's not much it's like it's like it's like $50 bottle yeah but it's this little tiny family the story is beautiful it's all 4k there's like snow falling in like slow motion highly recommend watching that documentary the birth of sake that's that's my make what else you got I got a short one okay go all right so this is a video they've sent to me by my friend Mike
you gotta watch this you gotta watch this it's called is it some of the stuff is in each other normally no no not that horrific mutually assured destruction known as our group never make it out no no no no it's called high-ren Aryan by Ren who's a musician storyteller lyricist it's fucking incredible you've never seen anything like it and this is a combination of talent craziness slash lunacy philosophy redemption and relief the lurch is so good it's a one-man performance or is playing guitar he
looks like a mental patient like he's in an inpatient out like outfit gets wheeled in and it's just him in a guitar and he goes back and forth playing like the light and dark sides of himself having a conversation oh shit it is so now or no good it's probably too long to watch now you
should watch it it will blow your mind all right we'll link it up this is good I love only throughout the random links are just like really good this one seriously I was like oh I'm not the only one just fucking crazy oh that's great yeah fantastic I love that we're all fucking crazy
all for God's what a relief so that's that's definitely that's definitely what they came to want all right I got my last story of the day and then maybe you have one down on top of this so I'm taking a lot of risk here in that um tantalizing speaking about podcasts that we don't want to do
what everybody else is doing you know um one of the things that was a complete tragedy that we can all agree upon is that Matthew Perry's passing away from ketamine overdose or coming unconscious and then drowning in in the pool yeah a lot of data came out recently did you see that yeah
story it was like really horrible like these doctors were conspiring to like give him as much as he wanted and like injecting him with what would be considered to be like a general anesthesia exactly enough to put you out right and like obviously you don't want to fall asleep in the hot
tough right doesn't mix with water yeah so the thing that bummed me out about that is that you know we talked about this before about my treatment like six months ago and I feel fantastic after that treatment but the thing that bummed me out is that meaning intravenous was intravenous
eye muscular uh intravenous yeah yeah is the IV ketamine treatment yeah so I did it you know I did that the successions and I was going with a really hard startup and like I feel is good as ever which is great since then when we did that podcast I've had and I can't say I'm on on camera but
I've had a household name that has built a business that is bigger than you and I have ever built that would be a shock to the world that hit me up and was like I did this and it changed my life and they've since paid for a bunch of people to do it after them that were really suffering that person in particular was having some depression things of that nature that was just treatment resistant depression was what they call it colleague of mine hit me up and was like I have suicidal thoughts
I'm not going to kill myself but I hate that I have them every day you know and also scary message to get yeah but did she went and did five treatments and is now in full remission and I was like this is amazing and it kills me that I mean obviously there are insane dangers around recreational use
I'm not disputing that at all and it's being used in clubs it's being used all over the places that dissociated and like I get that it's really bad but I wanted to go out and say if I'm going to do a different podcast on this I want to have in an expert which I brought my doctor in her
her name is Dr. Jen she's Princeton trained doctor not a chiropractor not a chiropractor no offense to chiropractor but they tend to do the doctor Bob doctor Jack doctor Jen thing yeah you don't want to you don't want a chiropractor doing this but she's been an ER room doctor
for like 15 years now I feel like a dick I'm off to say like there's some great chiropractor out there I work with but but you don't want them running your ketamine right exactly and she gets into that and she's like this is why like we need to take this seriously right so we did the
whole podcast when we take it from a very scientific point of view talking about the neuroplasticity talking about her outcomes that she's witness Paul Blah but the crazy thing that I added on to this this is coming out like a week or so is that I actually said okay I will go in to demystify
this and I went into the clinic and I did intermuscular which is just a shot in the arm yeah so I'm like rocket ship I tried to stay as conscious as I could and explain the feelings as I was starting to go into Lala land now let me tell you what did you did are you gonna share marble
mouth moments yeah 100% yeah so it isn't anesthetic doesn't generally help you no I had to stop and restart the same sentence like five times but I will say I will tell you the reason why I did this is very simply because of my friend that was suffering from severe depression
that she knew me personally and she's like I saw you do this and I saw it have a positive benefit and I went to I am not recommending anyone to do this but there is a subset of people out there that are suffering they're seriously contemplating horrible things and I just want them to check it
out and also see what a high quality clinic looks like yeah like don't go to the chiropractor just look inside of sorry I said that yeah but it's true though like let's not say chiropractor but people that have access to this compound don't go to them like you should have a real legitimate
doctor there should be a real legitimate intake there should be blood pressure cuts there should be heart rate monitors there should be all the real things that come with the legitimate practice and so I want to demystify it a bit it's gonna be controversial it's coming out soon but you know
I think I'm on the right side of history here I think that like this will help a lot of people it's not for everyone but if you're really really suffering and you tried everything else all the exercise all the antidepressants and you still want to do harm yeah for suicide
el ideation I mean there are many resources that we could recommend I mean this is the most important not medical doctors yeah I almost off myself in college so I mean if you if you search some practical thoughts on suicide in my name there will be a long post that will walk
you through my history with this but if someone's contemplating self-harm serious self-harm then I do think of all the interventions I've seen in clinic that's the operative term ketamine sessions whether IV or intramuscular are very interesting they effectively
hit stop or pause on the thought loops so that you can have a moment of respite to really examine what is happening and going on and take a short break from your pain and in the form of these thought loops that are incessant and that is also the reason why
in my opinion you should not use ketamine outside of a clinic 100% it is too seductive it is very easy to become addicted if you have any history of using alcohol to take the edge off ketamine is like alcohol times 100 in terms of its effectiveness to take that edge off and therein lies the
danger because there are severe consequences to becoming really addicted to ketamine I will say this that was really interesting I talked to Dr. Jen who's done hundreds of patients now right and and she goes and I said to her on the podcast and her defenses is very interesting I said
you know for me like I don't see how can anyone can be addicted this because like it's like a journey you go on you know and by the time I'm done with the journey I'm like oh my god thank god I get like you know a few days off because you did twice a week for three weeks but she goes no
no Kevin I just want to let you know there are some people that when they feel that they feel high from that yeah and I'm not one of those people thank god but like she's like they're in lies the danger and I'm like thank you for correcting me there like that's a real legitimate person
that is like trying to set the record straight because some people can get that alcohol times a thousand and get addicted and then they go finding street sources and all that stuff but like it's a really crazy compound because in some settings it can be a savior and a reboot that people
need and an outside perspective to look at themselves disassociated a bit to laugh and like to look to take it to take an observer status on their own stories I talk about that actually when they film me coming out of it they go they go what did you feel I go Kevin was over here I took an
observer status of that yeah and I was able to say he's been crazy and he's his own worst enemy yeah you know and so it's like it's very challenging because in some sense like this is a very dangerous compound but I don't think we need to like just throw it away no we don't need to demonize
it I think it's a very powerful tool and the risk is self administration yes right 100% and I will say I've seen some of the most impressive amazing soulful high functioning people completely do real their lives using ketamine and other compounds and you just have to be very very cautious
because my my belief is and I think this is a even if it's inaccurate I think it's a constructive positive belief to hold which is everyone has a molecule that will make them addictive mm-hmm everyone yes you just don't know exactly which key is going to fit the lock yes but
everyone has the potential yeah to be addicted and it's just the right molecule so for me I'm like let's safeguard against that oh my god oh what is this oh the great whiskey they're the great tequila thank you thank you that I love that text was from like twin men's golly thank you
yeah asking you the best man thanks man pick studio dot AI for Tim in speedos can you put in the d r a full I pull it up oh so good amazing crazy I mean it looks just like him it does like yeah what's the story of the snake through the skull on your forum
I like there's no stories man all right there's no stories it's just beautiful all right you know I stand corrected I like it oh yeah like the the monkey in the hat with the cigar he used that looks pretty traditional too oh look at like the ccp baby with the boxing gloves
yeah who knows that's the best thank you so much did you guys talk about like just what happened last week or two weeks ago like flux no and the model oh yeah so we did mention that up front but I think we should mention it well yeah I didn't mention flux so there was a new model that
came out absolutely you get to do the cheers what should we cheers to to our girlfriends and our wives to our to our girlfriends our wives may they never meet as a future tense for me but you know I'm boy can dream so just to give the the round out of the 30 seconds as you switch to a new model
called flux yeah yeah this is the new AI shed what's really crazy is so you guys brought up sweet we get him a mic yeah yeah you're talking to this mic kneel down for say take take a knee just just tell us about about flux because the pictures of Tim are insane tell why are they better now
than they were three months ago well the like you guys originally brought up a prompt like maybe two years ago now or maybe a year and a half ago it was like on like in December of 2020 2020 2020 you look good that's not an idea that's just like that's our trip of Mexico yeah that's just that's just
so you guys brought it up and you were making all these theories about what's going to happen with AI and really like just the models just keep getting better and the prompts are kind of still saying still staying complicated and so essentially there was a team at stable diffusion or stability AI
those folks left and basically started another open source model and this thing is competing with mid journey and it's all open source and it launched and that like the day or the the couple days after it launched everyone was saying like you won't be able to find too new you won't be able to like
train like basically these lures and things like that 24 hours later as like actually you can and that's how rapidly is changed it sounds like AI and and it takes very little effort we'll put a bunch of these up they're nuts yeah so you ask a question on this also I feel like
we're gonna put these up and then people are gonna meet me in person and be like uh well on this what happened you really let yourself go hold on this picture with him with the with the red uh like speedo type stuff how nice nice what again Kim's good side um how could you say I want him
in a blackjack in here red red pants yeah yeah so the way like what I'm working on with like pig studio AI is essentially like everyone wants really I'm gonna have this bright outfit you want to like go a little bit more over here so we can see your face oh there we go I mean sure
come on come over this one I want to get my good side god yeah just sit on Kevin you just sit on Kevin's lap if you want I'm not saying that's hot but if the boner police were around I'd demand a lawyer that's definitely staying it shut up okay just give us the quicks going down
in the air geez my toothbrush you're gonna have to catch up oh god you're kneeling in a splash light the afters for this okay go ahead tell us how we can modify this well no the way I've seen that this sort of working like in a way that is actually usable which is what I keep telling
people is how many times I've been taking headshots where you just need them from either LinkedIn or show that you're working on it's just like a really I mean that's the I'd hate to be dating right now yeah me too but you can do anything really essentially like what we're trying to do
is figure out what kind of photos people want for wait wait go to the go to the website first again what's what's the tagline pro portraits created with the AI that's where we go a whole bunch of stuff and these are actually old ones because we're we're sort of piloting this right now
with this different portraits so those are old versions of our portraits but you know I see it less being hey I want to be writing an elephant go and you know crazy it's more like I used to take portraits every year with my buddy Nate Taylor who took your portraits back and we'd have to spend
like a day or two taking these photos and like he doesn't want to do it I don't want to do it he's going to take a thousand photos and maybe one looks good and it's like this is just going to get it right right away yeah so it's just it's realistic way of getting a great portrait but you can do
whatever like I I absolutely did that and that's going to my my library your your your your your probably sash book marks tax returns 2011 I think I'm gonna make it only fans for Tim I'm gonna make it only fans for Tim based solely on the ZI model and that's an interesting thing you
um all right so I sure I can I can you you're over there I'm good microphone for yeah what for a wobble uh I love that is that he's the best he's always dabbling like this is a one person start up that he did I can love that though yeah I know it's too dabbling the dabbling is where you find
things to double down on yes right that's that's where it all where it's we're all the magic happens 100% all right I'm I'm I'm not as good stories you got anything else good stories I think I've covered most of it on my list I'm gonna show you things there's a children's book for adults
control you're right you say children's children's yeah a children's children apostrophe S a children's children's yes okay maybe it's long island coming I don't know I think that's how you say it's called it to kill a couple of now but it's already called the well of being by jumpier
while I guess if you're gonna say in German all right and this has made an impact on me it's a beautiful book it's very easy to read you could read with your kids and the couple who introduced me to this are one of the most thoughtful present and playful couples I know fnk thank you for all
this and it infused you know they've also infused the raising of their daughters with the ethos of this book in a way so here's the description the well of being from jumpier while is an illustrated inquiry into the art of happiness and what it means to be radically alive in our daily moments
I'll stop there it's a long description it's a print I'm on Amazon right now it's out of really yeah it's all right I had to just buy it by a copy it's a beautiful book okay and then separately there's a question that I've been asking myself a lot and you can find this more
elaborated upon on my blog takes two or three minutes but don't freak out because the first few paragraphs of the blog post but it's a strong metaphor and the question is are you hunting antelope or field mice and I've been thinking about this with the podcast as well as with respect to next
projects how I choose next projects right because all we have is our energy and time and if you spend it in one place you can't spend it in another and this particular question people can look it up for the history but are you hunting are you are you hunting antelope or field mice is a
reference to sort of the metaphor of the lion a lion can survive on field mice but it's going to ultimately be very very very very very over busy and it's going to burn more calories than it earns through hunting field mice so be skinny don't be skinny but like pick a big it would be
skinny if it was a movie yeah but pick a big audacious goal that can feed you for a long time right so as you're being busy quote unquote like are you hunting field mice or antelope okay challenge that for a second challenge so if you're hunting field mice I'm assuming that's
easier prey easier to get probably gives you more time to like sit watch Netflix like the one thing that struck me about today and I just like let's have a little real talk oh wow oh god coming to Jesus moment here we go like if you went on this sabbatical yeah and yet you had to
write a book I didn't have I didn't have to hold on hold on our for our mutual friends oh boy who so not be named pointed this out as well yeah where it's like can you sit and just be you or would that be too hard okay let's do it all right so I let yeah this is this is good let's
let's get into the fucking chewy bits so I routinely every year spend at least a month off the grid right like last October I was gone I was in I was off the grid yeah but you were doing shit I was doing stuff but here's my question right and this was in our shared text thread I basically
said okay look so the accusation is that Tim doesn't know how to chill out I'm like okay fine let's take that as true if Tim were to chill out what does that look like on a daily and weekly basis and one of my challenges was humans are built to be social you have family our mutual friend
as a family there's an inbuilt social network in that family I don't have that right so my I mean you're a brother to me so you always have a family yeah I appreciate that and like on a day of day basis when I wake up in the morning like you know my hotel room my house is empty right yeah
so I need to go externally I need to travel outside of the confines of my house to find that human interaction so the question is like okay well if you could write the script what would Tim Ferris chilling out look like I don't what that would look like what would look like oh it's very
simple all right I got the best answer for you ever oh boy no script that sounds like some fucking fortune cookie stuff that I can't make sense of though what does that mean I know you can't make sense of it but that's the point it's no script when have you done that when I did my
meditation retreats when I do there's no you had a you had a schedule for the for each day sure but like I think that was like an intensive the silent or true for your meditating it hours of the back bitch like okay I suffer from the same thing you do I suffer the same thing you do and
that is that we can like there's a there's a reason we're all friends right we're all fucking border college you and on the couch we can't turn it off you know and it's like honestly I think the healthiest thing though would be to wake up with no agenda for a month yeah with no friends
for a month with the fact that you just wake up saying what is today gonna bring and that is damn fucking hard for people that are driven like you and me are so I did that for almost a month last October but just some psychedelics during that time and shit come on you towards the end but in
that particular case I mean I'll just say that I don't think humans are built for isolation and agreed and there and there and there is a fetishizing of self-sufficiency and independence in the U.S. that I think is unhealthy it exists another place is for sure but if you look at our evolutionary
biological like our biological programming completely refutes that to be exiled to be excluded from the group is effectively right and I'm not arguing that but I'm not arguing is like what if you couldn't touch a pen or a computer for a month issued arrows or or bow or yeah I mean the
I do think and I can't remember the particular attribution of this man I wish I could really remember it but Roger me the hedgehog no it was someone else but it was basically like man finds leisure through the through the switching from one activity to another like one compelling activity
to another of something along those lines and I wish I the exact quote and the attribution but I don't and this this applies obviously cross gender but the point being that I'm not convinced that being idle is a fruitful goal to have if you can't sit with yourself for five minutes that's a
problem yeah right but different people have different constitutions and for me for instance right if you look at the four hour work week okay so I get rid of not get rid of but I automate my whole business bubble ball what do I do I end up doing tangus like six to eight hours day right but
that was not done from a position of obligation or fear it was done from a place of like enthusiasm and excitement and love that's different and that I think is good medicine right so as long as I have the self-awareness to distinguish between something that is done from a place of fear
or guilt or prestige hunger or responsibility or some nebulous obligation versus the things that enliven me I think being active is fine as long as I land in the latter category yeah right like for instance like I'm doing a lot of our tree right now and I fucking love it like I am so
fed by it and I'm not saying I'm the world's best I certainly am not but I just find it so meditative and but can I ask you one question one of the things I'm really curious about is like Tim like I I respect you so much because of how I've watched you dissect and you know assimilate
like information like no other human I've ever seen on earth and you are able to learn and pick up and go deep on any topic within a matter of minutes or hours or weeks you know like you you do that quite well the one thing that is the rounding out of the holistic picture of Tim
that I'm curious if you could ever tap into is the Tim that says I can just be without having to go for those things or having to engage in that type of thinking you know that type of like pursuit that type of analyzing you know I I Dariya my wife is she's a PhD in neuroscience and and I
oftentimes get engaged in intense debates with her about this where I'm just like chill fuck out no I'm just gonna get on come back Dari don't listen as far so but I'm just like you know I'm like I'm like I wish I wish with all my friends balance and I think that where our mutual friend was
trying to get to is like might you find Voldemort might you find a little bit more of that side of the house because you have the other in spades yeah yeah it's a good question I mean I'll sit with it I think the balance can come in a lot of different forms right so the the balance is time
bound right in the sense that is it balanced on a daily basis is it on a weekly basis is it analyzing it though no hold on hold on no it's not it's it's finding the right conceptual framework through is to think about it and I don't think that's a mistake I think it's actually
very helpful it depends on how your mind works right for me though it's like if I'm super intense for a month and I'm going 10 out of 10 and then I'm zero out of 10 for a month like that equates to kind of a five five right that's I have me a certain degree of balance but it's not if
you looked at it on the minutes a minute hour and hour day to day it would look very lopsided I know a fantastic app that I would love to build for you which would be like the Tim Tim random app and like you open up every morning and it tells you what to do for a month and it'd be like today
it's like what what the fuck is this and you're like oh I have to buy a slip-in slide and go down it 20 times like you just like something where it's just like throwing you completely out of your like and you're like wow I didn't have to think about it I didn't have to overanalyze it it's just a
fucking thing I'm gonna do well this is this is part of the curse of the entrepreneur but it's also but it's all the same yeah 100% you know exactly what I know exactly we talked about this but also but also at the same time these are your mics I know at these are my mics but also at the same time
I will say that like when you introduce another partner it's the dance that's fucking hard right yeah because Darga is very much about like structure and shit where I'm just Darga and I verse someone very similar super so yeah love you don't she's you with hair the best yeah but
she's coming to know it's a better body I mean you look at my AI her ass is better than I am sorry okay she got to catch my okay I think you ever want for tuning into good to see you buddy I love you brother yeah I love you too right it's it's uh it's always good to
hang out with you I seriously like I I wish we could be in the same city for yeah fucking or two seriously 100% okay so if we can talk Darga to move it in Austin I would be done seriously we'll figure it out we'll figure it out good to see you buddy all right all right man
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