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they're letting the plant do the work. This particular tequila, for me at least, is a very clean drink. I know this is a topic. Dijour, of course. I'll call it no alcohol. I certainly find a place for it. About six months, nine months later, a year later, out of the blue, a friend of mine reached out. He does a lot of CPG. He's a consumer package-good stuff. He's a genius when it comes to both operating and investing. He's one of the best I've ever seen. He said, I'm not sure if you've
ever heard of this particular brand. Would you have any interest in looking at a lot of them? I was like, yes, I would because I drink it all the time. That's how it came together. That was going to be my question for you because I feel like so many of us have had something that we've used in life and said, gosh, I wish I was an investor here. Have you done that with multiple companies? Has there
been something where you said, this is so great I have to invest? If so, what is your strategy to get to that point where you can become friends with the founder, talk about around, you are better at doing this than I am. You're one of the best I've seen. Back when Twitter was usable, I remember Twitter, you've used pretty much every channel available. You're very generous and sincere when you find something you love, you share it. Add value first.
Yes. You are able to get the attention of founders. Historically, I've seen you do this over and over again. Often, I'll do that. These days, for me, if I find something and I will sometimes look at either my credit card statement or the stuff I use the most and run down the list to see if there's anything I might want to invest in. For instance, there are a few that got away. There are a bunch that got away. One password. I knew the guys and they ended up raising money
maybe a year or two ago. A good $1.000. There's massive. There's great guys. I'm like, I didn't want to because it didn't feel right. If I'd pushed a little bit more, maybe it could have done something. There are many stories like that that I could tell. These days, I try to be helpful. I will take something and if it's good, I'm like, look, even if I don't end up being involved with the company, I want to help about the product.
Fantastic. I might put it in the newsletter. I might mention it on the podcast. Do something like that. One of the things that you hear these stories every once in a while, I remember when Facebook was getting off the ground, Zuck wanted a mural painted. You know the story. I do, but you should tell it anyway. The artist, actually, at that time, said, don't pay me in cash, pay me in stock. That's oftentimes a very good strategy where you say,
hey, I might not have the capital to go invest in this thing, but I have a skill. That skill is somehow going to be useful to this company. If I can make friends with them, then at some point, it's like, let's share the upside together. You don't have to ask for a big massive percentage, but you can say, hey, is there some options available that I can have? That can work. I mean, for that guy, I think it turned into like a billionaires or something like that. At least several
hundred million dollars. David's show, who's fascinating. He has done some incredible and hilarious things. He's a very funny guy. That's very, very creative. I don't know, but I've heard that story so many times. He had a podcast called, I think it was DVDA, double, veg, double anal with Aisa Akira, who's a porn star. And it made of all been taken down, but he is a polymath. He's an incredible artist, incredible actor also. That could have been named Yorkshire Memorial.
Trying to come up with names for your show. Instead of Tim, Tim, talk, talk. Exactly. He knows, close runner up. We all have to make decisions. I saw a shirt, side note, while I've had one sip of tequila. And here we go already. I saw a shirt at a climbing gym yesterday, which said, no solutions only trade-offs. And I was like, that is actually pretty interesting to sit with. But on the advising front, because that's really what we're talking about.
Where can people learn more about that? Because I used to point people. And maybe this is still a good reference. It's a little dated, but venture hacks used to have a bunch on advisors and super advisors. This is worth unpacking a little bit for folks. So if you look at, for instance, my track record, the vast majority of my lifetime earnings and startups have actually come from advising. And that's not to say that it's easy. That's not to say that times haven't changed, because
certainly times have changed since 2008, 2009, 2010. But if you have a skill or you have a network or you have a platform, there are times when it will be appealing for both you and for startup to have some type of trade for equity. And Saka used to be fantastic at this. Before he became the Chris Saka in Marculized, so we know and love today. And taught me a lot about this. But you might look for, let's just say, I don't know how the landscape has changed, you could
probably speak to this, but say 0.25%. That's early. Yeah, like a quarter point. I mean, seeing the company pretty early, super early. And the way that that's de-risked for the company or one way that that can be de-risked is that it vests over a course of say two years. Right. So every quarter, a percentage of that basically becomes yours. Yeah. And the company can cancel at any time. Yeah. And that allows them, in a sense, to kind of try
before they fully buy. Right. They get to see what results you can deliver. Any other thoughts on folks or, yeah, I mean, I think thoughts on folks. Jesus. No, one to have been. Well, this is
related to caffeine, which we're going to come back to at some point. I think it's important to remember that every company that's out there, private company, when they're forming and putting together their cap table, like their list of investors, employees, all of that, they put together something called an options pool, which is a percentage of the company that is used to incentivize those employees to work there. And so when you join a company, you get X number of options,
and you earn them, over say, typically three to four years. A part of that, most founders will set aside for advisors. And so these are people that are not compensated with money, but rather just stock. And so in my mind, what I always do when I'm forming a new company is I say, okay, I'm going to take one percent. And I'm going to carve that into 10 roles. And then I'm going to go out there and find the 10 most impactful people that I can possibly find to help me change the outcome
of this company. And you offer them in a role and you say, hey, no fancy strings attached. So I never say to be an advisor, you have to tweet X number of times, like screw that. Like you wanted to come from a place of authenticity. And so, you know, and you're often doing this to people you know, right? Right. Or you can find someone that you're just like, this is a really good match. There's an AI company that I've been working with. And they needed someone that had a
very specific expertise in a very small subset of a type of AI. And they found an advisor and they didn't know this person, but they reached out. It never starts with, hey, we want to offer you an advisory role. It's a coffee. It's a hangout. It's a dinner. It's let's get to know each other. And it's like, hey, you might be helpful. And sometimes they'll say, no, actually you can hire me as a contractor or it's a mixture of both things. They say, hey, we'll bring you on as a
contractor for three months. And we'll give you an advisory role. So there's no perfect science here, but just expect to get some fraction of 1% of a company as an advisor. And your hope is that this turns into a hundred, 200, 500 million dollar company. And that becomes a very lucrative outcome for you. And I would imagine part of the reason that you're comfortable not having a laundry list of deliverables is because their advisor equity vests over a period of time.
Yeah, it vests over a period of time. You can cancel it anytime. So if you're three months in, you're like, ah, as person's not doing anything, you can just cancel it. And you know, no hard feelings, everybody just, they get a little a small percentage of that, you know, and that's fine. Yeah. I would say that it's best in my mind not to over complicate things, especially with
celebrities. Celebrities don't want to have some type of crazy, you know, 20 page document. They have to run by their agent and they have to go through with their attorneys and they have to figure out, oh, I'm going to have to show up at this event or scroll that if you work with a celebrity and you find someone you happen to know someone and they want to be an advisor, say, no strings attached. Oh, by the way, we're doing this party in two months. You can come or not,
right? And oftentimes that actually frees them up to be like, I don't feel like I'm a, a being uses a pawn here. Sure. I'll show up for a half hour or 45 minutes. And that's a win for you, right? You want them to speak from the heart when they're talking about a product. And I think you would agree that time kills deals, right? Like deals not get better. Exactly. Especially if you're dealing with someone who has an entourage or like a phalanx of
lawyers, managers, agents, et cetera. You want it to be an easy yes, make it an easy yes. 100%. I saw I'll give you an example. Back in the day when I launched Moonbirds that PFP project, the NFT project that I launched, I talked to a handful of people and some people that I knew quite well that were very famous celebrities. There's one MBA player that is Hall Famer that I gifted a Moonbird to and I said, hey, listen, he's like, I'm Web 3. Curious. I want to
learn more about Web 3. And it's generally like, you know, you know, you know, he's mono. Yeah, so I gave him one and I said, sweetheart of a guy, super nice guy. And I said to him, I said, listen, you don't have to tweet about it. Like that's, this isn't a pay for play thing. I would never want to do that. If for some reason down the road, you think it's really cool and you want to say something you can and he never tweeted about it. But that's fine. You know, because like he did,
just wasn't vibing with there. Didn't feel that it was going in the right direction or whatever it may be. And same thing for Jimmy Fallon, you know, Jimmy was super kind, super nice. And he created a little parody account for his Moonbirds. It was tweeting from it. And he was figuring it out because he wanted to learn Web 3 walls. He set up his own wallet. Yeah. He nested his own Moon Birds. Meaning he interacted with smart contracts and it was because he was curious on the tech side.
And there was no money exchange. There was nothing about it. It wasn't about that. That's the way I like to do these types of deals. And you told me if this resonates with you, I would also think in terms of whether you're building a company or an advisor, who would I like to work with on multiple companies? Because I've seen, for instance, in many of the cases where I've been an advisor, assuming you do a decent slash good job, a lot of these people, if they're good, are going to be
serial entrepreneurs. And then you end up just advising, advising, advising, and they have their X-Men squad that they pull in to most startups. Yeah. That seems to me to be pretty common. Yeah. Absolutely. I think there's certain domain experts when you think about strategies around different parts of your business where you say, gosh, I would always want this person in my corner if I'm going to go launch a consumer internet product. And so you go back to those people,
or if you don't know, like a great example is I'm relaunching my podcast in January. And one of the things that I just have been out of loop on is a TikTok strategy. And I just really found a great company that had been recommended and had worked with multiple top 20 podcasts on their TikTok strategy, because that's a hole that's missing, right? And so I'm going to go out, I ask like 10 friends who's the best the best of this, and then try and hone in on that person or people,
and then get them to work on your behalf. In this particular case, I'm paying them for it, but that's fine. I think twerking is the answer. Yes. The coordinated dances and twerking. You might have a little. That's what you do for your advisor. Yeah, a little case of wherewolf buns. I don't know if that's if that's a plus or a minus on on TikTok January. Yeah, let's talk about January. We're coming up on the New Year. How are you thinking about New Year's resolutions, that type of
thing? We do this every year. I don't even want to go revisit our list because I'm sure they're horrible. What do you think your hit rate is on your previous list? You had it written down. Do you have your last list? Can you look at it? I don't have it in front of me right now. I would say that over the years, I've become better. My hit rate is higher. 50%. Yeah, I would say 50%. That's what made me say. I'd say it's probably 50%. Yeah. Which, hey, if that were start of investing, man, you'd be
the best of the best, right? Yeah. But you also don't want to set your resolutions like, brush my teeth three times a week. You don't want to set the bar so low just for checking the box. Right. So I would say it's 50%, maybe a bit more than 50%. I think this year, they're simple enough that I can actually get to 100%. Yes. That's exactly what I did. So this year for me, it's about less, but make sure I can try to get to 75 to 100% of them. So, all right.
Mine are really straightforward. Last year, I went one month without drinking. This year, my therapist just told me she's awesome. And she's like, oh, you made it a month. She's like, oh, cool, cool. Like congrats. Everybody does that. And I'm like, she's like a little bit like a bar, a hard ass. And I kind of like that about her. Yeah. And she's like, no, go three months. She's like, that's when the real benefits start to show up is at three months. And I'm like, could you,
yeah, I mean, you could said too, but she said three. I'm going to go three months without drinking. That's a big one for me. Daily meditation has obviously been a big part of my life. I'm going to continue that trend. We can talk about Henry Schickman's new app too, which is going to be a big part of that Zen Master. The I study under his finally launching a new meditation app coming in January called the way. And very excited to help him with that app in terms of like on the
product side and his usability side. Obviously, he's doing all the content. I'm not involved in it. I'm just an investor in it, but not involved in content, not involved in content, right? Yeah, I'm not as a master. But you know, you've studied very seriously with Henry. Yeah. For a few years. You introduced us. He's been on this podcast twice. Twice. Yeah. And they're very strong episodes. So I encourage people to check those out. What makes the way different? The one thing about, you
know, as an investor. So I'm a part time VC because I had this other, you know, NFT and art thing that I'm working on as well as a VC over a true. We are looking for novel ideas, things that haven't been done before and that meditation app market is just completely saturated saturated. Who would want to build an app in that space? I mean, comms dominating, you know, headspace dominating, like, you know, waking up fantastic app for more on the depth side. I would say Sam probably brings
together the strongest group of teachers. I would say is a portfolio of meditation. Like a university of meditation. Yeah. Exactly. So Henry is approach is like, if you go into any of these other meditation apps, it's like a meditation for sleep, a meditation for anxiety and meditation for this. Three minute meditation, two minute meditation, 30 second meditation. You know, it's like it's all these different Henry's like, okay, he's very humble, but he's one of only, I think three fully
accredited Zen masters and his lineage of Zen in the United States. And he is bringing Zen, a flavor of Zen mixed in with some other types of meditation. And his goal is simple. It's the way it's one path. There's no choose your own adventure. It's not the ways. Yeah, it's not the ways. Right. You can't branch off and do a body scan over here and then come back for a sleep meditation or a sleep story. Like it's none of that is a singular path and his goal is to lead you to some type of awakening
moment sometime in the future. So it's for those that are like, okay, I've tried the other meditation apps. I want to go deep. I want to get really serious about this. So I can't tell you when it's going to launch their embada right now. I can't tell you that the way app.com is going to be the place where you can put in your email address and I'll let you know when you know we can do for your show notes. Let's put a beta link because you can have up to a thousand testers. First put
in your show notes and get a bunch of people testing out. Lovely. Yeah, we'll put it Timed-Up Blogs such podcast. And you put a little bit of cash in too, which is great. I did, which was going to be what I was going to say next, which is this is my first investment in a meditation app and my first investment in any type of consumer app in a while. In fact, and that's based on my
interactions. Since every note, you know, which wasn't that wasn't a bad thing. That was certainly not, it didn't turn into the thousand X, you know, 10,000 X return that I would like, but they turned it around. Yeah, it's a good product again. It is a good product. I still use it. Believe it or not. This is actually on my list, okay? We'll get into that. But yeah, finish your thoughts. Well,
I'm just going to say that I learned so much about product. I learned so much about startups. I learned so much about scaling, what to do, what not to do through my experience with that company, where I wasn't advisor. Because I didn't have the capital early on to really build out a large portfolio with cash alone. And I was able to request, this is not a small thing for me. I was able to make requests of product changes directly. That's amazing. That lifeline to the CEO.
And to the product team for me selfishly, if I'm using an app every day, that makes a difference to my quality of life. So I do not regret it. And part of your calculus, if you're going to be involved with the early stage, has to be, I think, the assumption that the vast majority are not going to return what you hope they're going to return. Nine out of 10 fail. That's just part of a power law distribution. Great book, by the way, power law. So, Nier's resolutions, what are your,
what else do you have? And do you have a date? I'm just going to hold your feet to the fire a little bit for your three months. Have you decided on a start date? So I've got, I'm going to invite you to this, my birthday is in February. And you're invited. I got really lucky to get to know the artist's zone, SOHN. You know, sewn and all of you. So it's a nice friend. And he agreed to come play my
birthday party for like 30 people. Amazing. And so he's going to fly out. He's in Spain right now. He's going to fly out and play. And I got to have a couple of drinks there. We're going to have a little more. Yeah, that would be you. You'd be failing before you started. If you're, if your first day, we're the day before your birthday. Yeah. So I'm going to after my birthday is when I'm going to kick this off. So that would be good. But so really quickly to hit on mind. So no drinks for three
months, daily meditation, no brainer, I want to organize my brain in digital form. And so this is what's really interesting in the last three months, multiple note taking apps have enabled AI. And what they're doing now is they're saying screw knowing where your notes are. Ask questions of your corpus of data. So it's changing into a world where you can just enter all the data, enter all of Tim's brain into some place and say, Hey, what was that one note I had that one time when I was
at that Mexican restaurant. And I think it was about cat beds. And it will literally serve you up that note based on the AI and its crawling abilities. And I think that's just fasting. So notion has added that there are three, they call them second brain note taking apps that are really four that I'm considering. I'm still working through all of them to see which one I like the best. My candidates are notion craft is amazing. Crafts are really beautiful. Not taking up. It's a little
bit more about here's the current day start taking notes. And then you can interconnect the notes and do all kinds of fun things there. Is it spelled like the dictionary word spelled like craft cheese? Yes. C-R-A-T-R-A-T-T. Yeah, craft. Obsidian is another one of your of of the city. I've heard of it. I'm or maybe I just like the name. It's more like graph based interconnected notes like all these backlinks, you know, tying together thoughts and ideas kind of
Mike brain. You've seen these cloud mappings of of interconnected notes note taking apps and services also a very crowded market. Very crowded. And capacities is the last one I'm looking at. I'm leaning towards craft. I think that's probably might going to be my go to it one app of the year last year on iOS. Okay. And it's it's pretty fantastic. So and I will say in that list and still actually I think the largest market share barely beating out notion is ever note still. And so I
installed ever note the latest version. I'm like, damn, this is actually a lot better. I thought for a minute there it was going to go under. I was like, because it traded hands a little bit. There was a little bit of drama there. Yep. And but got overly diversified overextended. Yeah. But it's quite good. They've revamped the app and it's nice. So that in launching my podcast and so just keep it in simple launching the Kevin Rose show. I'll give it a one second plug which is Kevin Rose.com.
If you want to sign up, I'll let you know when it launches. But I got something great guest lined up for that show and taking it seriously building out a real studio doing a professionally professional editors the whole thing. So it's going to be great. It is going to be great. I can't wait to see. I want to keep it simple with the roster. It's not 10 things but like just like three or four. Yeah. What are yours? Mine are and then I'm going to come back. Don't worry folks. It's not going
to consume the whole show. But I want to ask you a question about AI. So I'll preload that in your head, which is where do you think people compromise their privacy? Because of really compelling convenience where they might regret it. I'm just like where they might click yes in providing access. We're later a bit. Oh, I really shouldn't have done that. Two quick answers for that one. I think is going to be photos. People believe that don't ever click yes to all photo
access. Especially if you've got dick pics. Wow. Listen, I went there because the buddy of mine just got compromised last week. I kid you not. I kid you not. So this is a true story. I'm not going to say who this is I swear to you. Tim. This is a true story. My buddy got Sim swapped. Somebody took over his eye cloud account and he's got a very my wife knows it. So I can say it's freely. He's got a very beautiful wife. And you know, he's a good looking dude. He's
got a soft bee. You know, but it kind of like us. You know, like me be mine. It's whatever. And he's got pictures of his wife like on his eye cloud. He's traveling a lot. She's saying little little little. No, no, little naughty naughty. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, are you are you sending a little back? Or you know, like those are the ones like no one's going to complain about your wife getting leaked online. It's like, are your pics going to get out there online? And it was a
really stressful few days. I am sure honestly, not to judge anyone who's fond of shooting around dick pics. I don't understand how anyone ends up in that position. Yeah. I just like don't do it. There are certain commandments. Yeah. That was shout-out not send dick pics. Yeah. It's like the downside is so much higher than any possible upside. Right.
Plus some, I mean, look, maybe I'm biased. I'm just like, who was like, I don't think I have you know, the Shrek of penises, but it's like, I don't I don't understand what the peel is also. Well, that's because you don't like penises. Yeah. I don't have a I guess a like a collage of schwances made into piece of artwork on my wall. So maybe maybe that's it. Maybe I'm just that's based on the team. I mean, it's for some people that's kind of they're like, you know, the way they
flirt remotely and things like that. And that's it's not me. I don't I don't do that either, but I'm actually doing a full episode on my podcast on dick pics on the dick pics and on on on on locking down specifically eye cloud because I think it is the the scariest place for hackers to gain access to because they get your eye message messages and they also get your photos as well. Any quick tips for folks to see the teaser. Here's a quick teaser. Number one thing you can do.
So you want to hear the crazy shit that happened to him. No, no, this will blow your mind. God here. So we can touch. I know. I know. Yeah. We go. Wasn't a sim swap. Okay. So what happened is is that Apple, as you know, if you forget your password, they have something called I forgot, which is like you can go there and say I forgot my password, right? And it says, okay, well, do you have another device that you can confirm? No, I don't have another device.
Okay. Well, what's your backup phone number? Right? And so you can reset that password with the backup phone number that you put into the system. That'll make sense, right? A sim swap, somebody steals your phone number and they get access to it. And then that's how you get compromised. Mm-hmm. Sim swaps are getting harder to do because some of the big providers who caught on and they've tried to kind of like prevent that from happening, ask you more questions. All that nature.
Well, someone called in on his behalf to let's just say, but you might want to believe that if they are a sponsor at some point, but they called in, they faked like it was him. Yeah. And they didn't ask for a sim swap. What they asked for, they said, Hey, can you forward the phone number just for an hour to this other number because I needed forward it? So normally this was straight social engineering. No, but you was straight social
engineering, but listen to this. Normally a forward wouldn't work because the text message doesn't get forwarded. Only calls to you, but you can go into Apple and you can say, I have auditory problems. I can't hear. Can you call me with the security code? So they did a quick forward. They called, it didn't go to his phone at which the hackers phone Apple read the security code to them via audio and put it in compromised reset it, change this phone number, compromise, download all this data,
and then try to blackmail them to get his data back. Oh my god. Okay. So in terms of teasers for. Yes, teaser number one thing to do is that you want a cell phone provider whether it is not a phone number to call and it's really truly securely locked down. Your best provider for that in the United States is Google Fi. And what you do is you don't set it up with your Google account. You create a brand new Gmail account that no one knows Tim Tim secure 8537 at Gmail. That comes.
You just ducks me. Exactly. And then you two factor the off the crap out of that. Turn on Google's advanced protection there. Then you sign up for a Google Fi account which is a brand new phone number. Then you tell Apple that is your backup phone number because Apple can still service your main number but only use that backup number to reset passwords. So there's no possible way anyone would
know that backup number. So it's a whole thing. There's more steps to it than that. You know, you get hardware keys involved like Google's Titan key, which is the most hardcore of the USB C keys, hard work keys. It uses one of their Titan chips, which is legit. It's a whole thing, but it's terrifying. Time for me to double down. My phone has been acting funny recently. It's making me spooked a bit. It scares the crap out of me. It's like my phone has been acting a little
funny and I'm like, weird. You know what, Sox, too. I've been going to what's at more and doing that seven days like delete all my messages because honestly, tell me if you feel this way. I know you feel so because we have these cards on the text. There are things that you say with your friends that you're just like, if anyone read this out of context, I would seem like the most insert whatever every person who uses group threads. If you are remotely interesting or if you're
funny, it's funny. Yeah, you're all fucked. Like if anything were made public, everybody's really the number of jokes I've made that are not something I would want the world to see, but are all in good fun and just amongst friends. It's like in the thousands, right? And I thought she got online. I would deny it all. I didn't write that. Yeah, I did. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough. So this is actually really good tequila. It's really smooth. So on the AI
front, real brief. And then we said photos of the one part you asked what were the two places where or what were the places where AI might compromise your data. Yes. That's the first one. Yeah, so I think photos would be the main thing. And the second one would be just this idea of these note taking apps because if you're journaling, like for me, I have a fantastic therapist. I journal all of that. And so things like obsidian, the reason I'm drawn to one of that one in particular is
it's local only. So it only doesn't sing to the cloud. And when it does, it uses a local encrypted key. So they not even they can read your data. I trust notion. I trusted it. But you know, someone were to compromise their key on their end in theory, even though the data is encrypted at rest, meaning like when it's not being used as encrypted on their hard drives is still a
potential vulnerability there. But at the end of the day, if someone really wants to read my therapy, you know, it's like, whatever, we live in a world where you can just be like, ah, someone made that up. There's a whole new world of plausible deniability with the AI and there's a whole new world of exploits. Yeah, wild. Just a quick thanks to one of our sponsors and we'll be right back to the show. This episode is brought to you by wealth front. There is a lot happening
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Visit wealthfront.com slash Tim to get started. That's wealthfront.com slash Tim. This was a paid endorsement by wealthfront. On the AI side, for people who might be curious, I've actually not on my personal notes, but we have trained where I should say rather automatic, which runs WordPress.com. And I rely on their enterprise side of things for all of my websites. They have an AI feature, and they've trained this AI on all of my transcripts. So if you want to ask questions of 700 or so
transcripts of the Tim Ferriss, you can do that. And the results in a lot of cases are surprisingly good. There's several startups working on this. I saw one that actually indexed your show. And if you ask a question of it, we'll return the clip in which you said the answer to it, which is amazing. I was thinking the other day about a great startup that I don't have the time to build would be a podcast app that imagine this world and tell me if this is interesting to you.
So it trains on all of your data. I'm listening to Tim Ferriss show. I'm halfway through an episode. And you mentioned something that I don't understand, or I'm just not familiar with. I'll just just say I was for something random. And I hit pause. And I hit the Tim AI button. Now it's training your voice so it can respond in your voice. And I say, Tim, what is I was actually before we continuing the show. And you respond, you say, well, I was this and I talked about it in episode number 12,
blah, blah, blah. And also number 27. And here's a clip of me saying this. And then you can rejoin the stream of the podcast and continue. So it's almost like you show up as a coach, mid podcast for any questions I have about that show. So I can pick your brain and also as applied to your books. So I could go into your entire corpus of books that I have and ask questions of that data as well. That has to be the future, right? Yeah, that's interesting. How do you feel
about it as a content creator? Does that make you a little uneasy? It doesn't make me uneasy on a content level because I operate from a place of abundance with my stuff because my stuff is so dense. It's not dense necessarily in a bad way, but it's like I could talk about the content of, say, one of my books for hours on dozens of podcasts and not come close to exhausting even 20%
of that book. So I'm very forthcoming with that. The one flag, I would say that I have for that particular example is that if it's my voice and so on and this is going to come up a lot with AI, what is the indemnity? What does liability look like? Right. If someone uses an ad and they're like, well, this Tim AI told me that I should do A, B and C or that I should. Right. It's the
X Y and Z point zero zero zero one. You hope for a certain chance to get it wrong and then as applied to something dangerous because that could be right telling you from the four hour chef how to make running eggs the wrong way who cares? But like it's like telling you to take the wrong supplement dosage is a whole another can of worms. There's dangerous and then there's just opportunity for scammers. Right. Well, that's happening regardless. Well, it is. Tim's going to be calling me
all the time. Well, not just on the AI kind of social engineering side, but for instance, there are we don't have to spend a lot of time on this, but there are people called career plaintiffs out there. Unfortunately, I know what this is, but for instance, there will be a law firm. What they do is they find action lawsuits based on a couple and like Barbara and Bob Jones are the couple they work with all the time and they're like, Hey, Barbara and Bob, Subway sandwiches is
selling 11.5 inch subs, but they're calling them foot long. Go buy two of them and then complain with us and we'll file this thing. We'll give you 10% of the upside. And I think that some of these AI models would provide a nice juicy bite of the outside. That was actually a real lawsuit by the way they were mentioning. Oh, I know. Yeah. Oh, I know. But we won't get into the details of why I know that. But the US man, some of these things, it's just astonishing. Yeah,
that they the rules provide for some of these creatures to exist in profit. Coming back to nearest resolutions. Yeah. We had a nice big boomerang on that. Mine are, I would say simple, not necessarily easy as is true with a lot of things. The first is minimalist delegation and what that means to me is delegating the why and the who, but not necessarily the how. So I think my predisposition is to be very detailed when I delegate various types of tasks or
projects. In other words, what I would like to do more of is here is at the simplest level, five words of what I want to do figure it out. Right. And you can handle all the specifics. You should know that we should have at least three bids if we're putting something out that's expensive. That that that that that, but to really take my hands off the wheel in terms of over prescribing the details, which I have a tendency to do because my mind is very detail focused.
I'm very meticulous. But I've found that more often than not, I can point to examples of where I'm providing too much step by step detail. And also people who receive that in some cases feel like they're being micromanaged. Not only that, they're not building the muscle. Exactly. Because they need to understand the only way they can kind of build that muscle around who you are and
what you want is by making mistakes. And you're saying, Hey, I would have done it this way a little bit differently because of X, Y and Z. And then they learn from that mistake versus you just prescribing and saves you a shit ton of time saves a ton of time. So what I'm experimenting with and I've already started doing this. And I think I've made a lot of progress is say less say less and be available for questions. But otherwise make it clear that there's a certain degree of wiggle
room and space for errors that is okay. So when you're admin walks and you say sandwich, if a meatball sandwich just throws you throw it against the wall and you say, I'm fucking sandwich. That would be one way to handle it. And I remember there was I want to say a blog post a while ago that was written by either Ben Casnoka or Reid Hoffman, but Ben Casnoka used to be the, let's just call it like aid to camp or chief of staff for Reid Hoffman. And what Reid had said to Ben
was something along the lines. And I remember this because I had to look it up. This would be a chance for me to interrogate like the Reid AI. What do you mean by a blah blah blah. He said in the service, some paraphrasing here, but like in the service of speed, I'm willing to accept 10% foot faults. And I was like, foot faults. Fuck does that mean? And I think it's a tennis reference, which is like when you step over the line, when you're serving and you get called for a fault.
But in the service of speed, basically the way I interpret that is you can get 10% wrong. Ideally, it's not really expensive stratospheric stuff, but I'm willing to accept the 10% error rate in the service of speed. So I'm trying to think about it along those lines because there's so many things that are either reversible or inexpensive where it doesn't really matter. Yeah. It doesn't really matter. You're better off making sort of wrong decision and then right decision
doing both of those quickly because you course crack. Then taking a ton of time to deliberate in your mind, when oftentimes you don't even have complete information. You don't know. But also like imagine you get that down to 5%, the extra effort required. What is that doing to you as a burden? Yeah. Versus just letting go a little bit and letting those faults happen. Yeah. And it's got
to be a little bit freeing. Yeah, totally. Question for you because I thought you recommended at some point this book to me and I have two or three friends who have recommended it since the surrender experiment. Yeah. Are you still a fan? Michael Singer? Yes. Yeah. I'm still a fan. Okay. Could you say a little bit about it because I don't know if we've ever talked about it
on the podcast? Yeah. I mean, I haven't read it for probably two and a half or so years now, but Michael Singer is, I would say just a general kind of, I don't know how to put it other than just like, I don't want to say spiritual guru or more just kind of like a salt of the earth type guy that has figured out that surrender is kind of the ultimate freedom. Like this idea that you can just release and let go puts you more in the present moment than pretty much anything else.
And the whole book is around how when stuff comes in, it doesn't hit you. It doesn't hit and stick. So like to hit and stick and marinate and faster is not surrendering. It's letting it the energy build and and bring you down oftentimes. And the book is framed around this idea that the more you can let go, the more freedom there is, the more happiness there is. And as Henry Shookman put it, the freedom comes from not the tight grip on reality, but the slow finger by finger letting
go of that grip. And part of the appeal for me as it was described, and I have not read the book, but a very close friend of mine is reading it right now. And here's a course by the way that's fantastic. Okay. It's on a soundstrile. It's a video course and it's quite good. It's a video course. Yeah. Did you watch the, is it necessary to watch the video? I just like he's a quirky personality
and he's great. He's great on video. He's just like really funny. Yeah. And it seems like the that book at least is his personal story, which automatically makes it more engaging for me. A hundred percent. Hypothetically. All right. So yes, letting go. So the minimalist delegation and the second point is actually related to that. That is the, in a sense, letting go quick creative collaborations is the second one. I only have three things. It's minimalist delegation, quick
creative collaborations, and then physical reboot, which is pretty straightforward to me. Again, it's simple, but not always easy. We had to get into my physical reboot here. Yeah. We're going to talk about it. So quick creative collaborations. This is an area where you have seen me actually kick the tires quite a bit in the last year with cockpunch. Which by the way, there's a ton coming with that, which is going to be a big surprise to a lot of people, but I have done a nine.
Cockpunch. You know, it's real quick. You're a buy in a piece. Tempura's cockpunch. That's right. Ashtag. Ashtag to the moon. No, not financial advice. Jesus. That was AI talking. I didn't say that. And in the process, I mean, using this NFT project way back in the day, which is when it launched a December of 2022, I guess, as a vehicle through which to do creative experiments, right?
Emergent long fiction. That was kind of the whole point. And I have walked that, walked the talk in the sense that since then, and a lot of this has been invisible, but it will soon be visible. I've done creative sprints in, say, upstate New York with some of the top D&D and magic the gathering artists, so I should say people who have done amazing iconic work for those brands. Yeah. Doing character design and concept art to you. It was so much fun. It was so much fun. And
I have had this narrative that I'm a better, I see individual contributor. I'm better as a solo operator. And that in some sense, I think because I've heard from some publishers and so on, that I'm a bit of a problem author because I'm very, very, very unwilling to compromise quality. Like I'm just, I am unwilling to compromise quality. And I'm very meticulous. And so if somebody's not on that same page, I'm a problem. And so I developed this narrative that I was just prickly
and difficult and didn't quite well. How much of that do you think is true? Have you ever done a 360 review? I have done a 360 review. The feedback wouldn't support, I wouldn't say it supports that narrative. And in this particular case, gather all these folks, had some writers as well, which I thought was going to be harder than the art side because I can step back and say, you are all much better at art than I am, but I have an identity as a writer. And it was great.
I had two writers, three artists and had an absolute blast. The output was spectacular, which I haven't made public yet. And that emboldened me to do more and more experiments. And so I can't talk too much about it right now, but I am actually working on my first book project in seven years, eight years. And I'm doing it with a collaborator, which I thought I would never do in a million years. Okay. Wait, you got to give us a little more fiction nonfiction. Nonfiction. This is OG TF style.
Five hours. No five hour. Okay. But very dense, hyper tactical. I'm not dense, like very rich. In other words, it's not a bunch of fluff. I'm not turning up a lot. I'm posting it into a 300 page book. You're going to want. Can you tell us what it is? I can't. I can't. Can you give me like a genre? I can't really give you a genre. What I was cooking book again. It's not. I got I think everybody got their fill of cooking with that. I'm very proud of that book,
but holy shit, that almost killed me. No, I'm not doing that again. Also not making the fool's decision to say to myself, you know what I should do? You know what would be fun is for me to do 30 to 50% of my own photography for a 700 page cookbook. Don't do that. If you're not photographer, don't do that. It is so much work. Oh my god. I really respect to the photographers out there. I underestimated that one. But you dodged the archery question. It is an archery book.
It's not an archery book. I'm planning on doing more archery. That is part of the physical reboot. Okay. But the quick creative collaborations, this book is going to be about, I would say, how to find the essential and ignore the trivial. That's the very broad strokes. I am collaborating on writing, which I thought I would never do. It is going better than I ever possibly could have imagined. It has opened the floodgates for me to think about what other collaborations I could pursue.
Screenplays, animation, television, who knows. But I've realized that if I am paired with someone who really gives a shit about quality and cares about being really proud of their work, I'm totally fine. I can collaborate really well with those people. They just have to have really high standards. I'm excited to do more of that. The screenplay side and the TV and animation is particularly interesting to me. Becoming more adept with a format like a screenplay. The format
itself has intimidated me. I just need to be locked in a room with someone really good for two weeks. You cannot leave until you have something to ship. It can be a rough draft, but it has to be pretty much ready. I think it's doable. The quick creative collaborations is something that I'll be doing more of. And then last on the physical reboot, I have been such a piglet in the last month. That's the THICC folks. I'm not in terrible shape, but I am planning on continuing to be
a little piggy for Christmas and the holidays because I'm going to be home with family. I love butter cookies. I love gingerbread cookies. This is kind of like you not committing to your three months free birthday. That would be stupid. I'm going to be spending January, February in really intense outdoor training and skiing and ski touring and so on. I'm not worried about burning off what I'm accumulating because that's going to happen. Especially at high altitude. I'm going to
try and visit you by the way. That would be fantastic. The physical reboot is up there and I'm optimistic about that because on the internal level, meaning biomarkers and so on, almost every biomarker is the best that it's been in like a decade. Wow. After the last year. That is not me. That sounds amazing. Yeah. And some of that has been certainly physical practice exercise. A lot of that has been dietary since I was your ApoB. The best it's ever been. Hello. I can't recall off hand.
20s or 30s. I mean, it's within the aggressive atiya target range. AST, ALT fine. Oh yeah, those are always fun. Homostistine always good. Homostistine is always fun. Yeah. My liver enzymes. What are your issues then? What are your issues? What did you correct in your blood work? There are a couple of things that I've corrected. So I have historically high uric acid levels. Oh, so you're done. I'll
appear in all then. I'm not an alpure in all because I had a reaction to it, which can be very dangerous. Yes, it can. So I'm on your something called uloric, which is fine. And it's actually a better cleaner drug. I think it is. People can, yeah, there's a bunch of debate around it because there were some smaller studies that were arguably poorly designed that did some type of head to head and it got pooped. But uloric for me is a good option. Not medical advice. Talk to your fucking doctor.
Please. I don't play one on the internet. In addition to that, that's from your meat, by the way. You know that. That's your meat intake. No, it's not. Are you sure? Yes. I'm sure. Because typically uric acid, you know, they used to call it the king's disease, right? Because it causes gout. And it was from like wine and it's considered a disease of avocados. Okay. So the wine is more interesting. Okay. So yes, people associate it with, if I'm not mistaken, purines and it gets
associated there for with with protein intake also. But there's a blog post. I it's easy to forget. I have a thousand plus blog post, which actually bridged the books to the podcast. It's easy to forget that connective tissue. A thousand plus blog posts. One of them is called something like the hidden chapter from Good Calories Bad Calories. Good Calories Bad Calories book. Great book. Gary. Gary talks about. And one of the chapters that ended up on the cutting room floor was about
fructose. And how it is anti, right, which also ties into uric acid. Yes. So what I have seen in myself at least, it doesn't matter if I am carnivore diet vegan fasting, whatever dietary lever I try to pull uric acid is high. It just does not matter. And that's also hereditary. This runs in my family. The other constellation of issues are all cardiac, like lipid profile related. Also hereditary, dietary intervention with the exception one thing that I'll mention. Are you on a statin? I'm not
on a statin. Okay. Well, your ear is fine. But just to be clear, so there are different reasons that your lipid profile can be out of whack. In my particular case, and I might be able to put something in the show notes as a resource, there are sophisticated labs or companies that will run labs that sort of find slice a lot of this. Boston heart. I think it's Boston heart. Yeah. And then you need someone to interpret the tea leaves obviously, in which case you need a very
confident doctor. In my case, I'm a cholesterol hyper absorber. More accurately, I'm a sterile hyper absorber, which means I can also absorb a lot of steriles from, say, plant matter, which is why automatically if you reduce meat or eliminate meat, it doesn't mean that your cardiac and lipid profile will improve. And you actually see a lot of folks for which it goes the opposite direction because they end up consuming a lot more refined carbohydrates. Their fasting
glucose goes up and they end up with a whole host of issues. In some cases associated with fructose. Right. Like, oh, a govane actor brilliant. Well, maybe not so brilliant. And for that reason, in my case, I'm taking a Zedemib, actually, I'm taking something called Nexelazette, which is absurdly expensive. Welcome to the United States in this case. But it's a combination of a Zedemib and something called Bempidoic acid. A Zedemib very well researched, pretty well understood.
Bempidoic acid and newer player on the scene, but very interesting. And the combination of those two plus the ulloric are what got a number of biomarkers of concern, not crazy. And I've done not only the usual cardiac calcium scores, which are helpful, but incomplete in a lot of ways. I've also done angiograms, which you do not want to do willy-nilly all the time. But I wanted to see if there any precursor steniascus. So far so good. In my particular case, those things plus reducing
saturated fat intake. To saturated fat makes a difference. Calur. It makes a difference. It's a cruise of all my numbers. It makes a difference. So in my case, you know, if it would be a bad idea for me to hit the like MCT smoothies, right? Right. So yes, a little bit of coffee bad idea for me. Also, MCT, I don't know if it is a tube, but it disaster pants. Risk goes up. Yeah, risk goes up by about 10x. Yeah. If
you run it run into the bathroom with the MCT oil. Yeah. Yeah. If you are thinking to yourself, you know, in 2024, I want to shit my pants more often. I would recommend a caucons debate. Yeah. Yeah. Creatine double espresso and MCT oil problem solved. Don't ask me how I know that, but you can guess. Don't have that right before you're driving to the airport for your international flight. Also a pro tip. So the minimalist delegation, fast delegation, embracing reversible or low cost
possible mistakes. Yeah. Quick creative collaborations and then physical reboot. And honestly, with the physical reboot, a lot of that is old news. The stuff that works works. It's like kettlebell swings zone to ski terrain. Yeah, zone two, which I'll get to very naturally with what I'm going to be doing. And in terms of hiking and ski terrain, so on, basic, basic, basics. Like I shouldn't say basics. The fundamentals are the fundamentals for a reason. Yeah. And just when in doubt, return
to fundamentals. It's like weight training once a week. That is better than nothing once a week. And then the zone two, but also for me, it's like one or two sessions of very, very hard technical Pilates to hit everything that I'm going to miss anyway, like medial glued and get back to the first of the year, by the way. Yeah. And that's about it. Do less than you think you can do. If some of your goals are around physical reboot or recomposition, set the bar where you are sure
you can clear it. Yeah. So I want to talk to you real quick about you mentioned the physical body reboot. One of the things that all of my physicians, not all, it sounds boozy to say all my physicians, my primary care physician tell us personal bomb. It has been concerned about is I have slightly elevated blood pressure. And it's not to the point where I should have it treated with medicine. But you know, there's breathing exercises you can do. There's a device
called resp rate, which Peter T. recommends. I don't know. Yeah, it's fantastic. It hooks around your chest. It's like a strap. And then you put in some ear pods that are connected to this device and it walks you through a series of breathing exercises and it's clinically proven to lower your blood pressure. So Tia recommends that it's kind of first line defense for us. Slightly elevated blood pressure. There is a device that is approved in the UK and the EU.
And it's called a tia in its horrible name. What? A tia. Not a tia. Yeah. Yeah. So it's AKTIA. I am wearing it on my wrist right now. So if you're watching the video version, you can see this thing is smaller than the smallest fit bit. It's super tiny. The battery life is five days. It does every hour blood pressure monitoring. It's clinically like proven accurate. And a tia is testing it right now in his lab with his folks there. It is not approved in the US.
So what I had to do is I bought it online. First, I got a VPN. I proxied into the website to make it look like I was in the UK. And then I bought an online shipped it to a friend in the UK who sent it to me in the States. I then created a fake eye cloud account in the UK with the fake email address and VPN to act like I was in the UK on a separate phone that I had not sent in like one of my older iPhones. And then I was able to get the app installed through the UK app store
because it's not available in the US app store and got it to work. So technically this is not legal in the United States. Contribute. But it's, you know, I'm actually monitoring it and the breathing exercises are helping. High salt intake combined with water is huge. If you have a salty steak or anything, I can notice just like when we remember when we first got in CGMs, you were
way before I was. But in the continuous glucose monitors, you got me into them and you would be surprised because you sit there and you'd be like, Oh, Benanne doesn't do anything and some people but Anna shoots you through the roof, right? Or rice for me. Oh my god, through the roof. I don't know about you, but rice for me is a huge offender. Rice affects me less than it affects you, but it affects a lot of folks. Yeah. Footnote in a previous episode we talked about. The rice cooker,
which drains out the water, which dramatically reduces the glycine response. Yeah. But back to our schedule program. Yeah, we can link that in the show notes as well. But this for me has been like, Okay, I just had a salty meal. Now let me chug a bunch of water along with that meal. And actually I will notice a difference. I do not get into those, what they call like the high orange levels of blood pressure just by my water consumption. So meaning you, you help or hurt. Meaning
if I drink water by drinking more water, drinking water. And there's evidence to back this up. But he's happy. One the podcasts I've talked about this. But anyway, it's another device that I hope knock on what they've submitted to the FDA. I hope is that we'll have this device approved in the States here. I don't know next six months to a year. So we'll see. Very cool. Anything else on the physical reboot side. I mean, the three months with no booze, I think it's going to be
if you can do it. No offense. It'll be a revelation, I think. It's going to be amazing. Speaking about looks like you're not a big fan of your own tequila. I just know it's not really drinking any. So I just first of all, no, I mean, if you don't like it, it's just selling it. It's also, we started recording a three p.m. So usually I'm not a three p.m. drinker. But you know what?
I want to be in bed by seven. So it'll be okay. Since you know, when I'll choose, okay. So since we're checking back into the home anyway, where they're going to put our socks on and put us to bed. No problem. Yeah. All right. Let's retire at the same retirement home. That was so fun. That was so much fun. Yeah. I'm looking at the same thing. Cheers man. So let's talk about sorry. It's a recent. I'm taking breaks from stuff because I have kind of a wild story,
which I don't think we've talked about at all. I have a number of wild stories. Oh yeah. I got one big one for today. You have a big one too. And I think these are going to be interrelated. All right. So I'll piggyback half of it after what I believe you're going to share. But I took a month off of caffeine, anything caffeinated, which was the first. For Turkey. For Turkey, which was the first time I've done that. Probably I would have to imagine since I was
what 16. I mean, it's been forever. Let me ask you a question. Why would you do that for Turkey? Why not just do like, oh, half a cup of coffee today and then maybe a quarter a cup a few days later. Like why go this is like the extreme tim. Well, did you get headaches? It's extreme. Yeah, I got headaches. But but it was during a period where I could
you had to see. No, I didn't use. I knew that I could accept the headaches. And I had a period of time where there really was a low cost where like professionally, I was taking three to four weeks off the grid. And I knew that I had a grace period where I can sustain it. So I did effectively, no caffeine, no alcohol. And I suppose the most important other I know sex, no sex, no ejaculation, which is sweet. You can talk about that. But that's pretty easy. The harder one is
I did nothing sweet. So not just containing sugar, but nothing sweet. So anything that has an artificial sweetener was out. Would you consider this to kill a sweet? I would not consider this to kill a sweet. There is a there is a bit of subjectivity for a lot of it. That's what notes to it. Like it's got some floral notes to it. But by the kind of letter of the law, I wouldn't consider this subjectively to be sweet. But for instance, any kind of juice out any type of sweetener,
of course, out. Let's just say different types of plantains. If they are sweet to the taste, they're out sweet potatoes out. And was that hard for you? That's not hard for me. It doesn't seem hard, but let's just extend this. Almost every toothpaste has sorbitol or some kind of crap in it that is a sweetener. So no brush your teeth for two weeks. I brush my teeth with sodium bicarb, just baking soda. Straight up. I brush my teeth with that for a handful of weeks.
And what you also realize is in the US or in this case when I went to Korea, if you ask people, if A, B, or C has any added sugar, there is sugar or some type of sweetener in almost everything that you come across. And that was interesting. It was challenging because it's severely limited what I could eat. But the caffeine was an amazing experience. Now I alluded to this a little bit earlier. I'm back on the sauce over the last week, week and a half, which I regret number one.
And I'm paying a lot for like their costs in terms of sleep. Let me back up and I'll give you the punchline. Tell us why you did this to begin with because you didn't mention that. It wasn't a news resolution. Why? It started because I was in South America doing a bunch of weird stuff and there were restrictions. I mean, then I just extended everything. But weird stuff, let's let's you psychedelic stuff. Yes, psychedelics. Okay. Which we'll tie into a part of my strange
story later. But I hadn't done the type of training I was doing in South America in probably five or six years. So I took restrictions very seriously. I think that is important in my opinion. And then I extended them all. And I wanted to see in part because I met someone who said they had stopped drinking anything caffeinated cold turkey because they felt like a loser because they become dependent on it. And they missed a really important ski day. Like one of the first days of
the season and they're a really good skier. And there were the group people and they were the only I believe they were the only person who skipped. And that day they were just like no more. And to this day, you know, like two years later, caffeine free. And we we we like I lost something there. When I wake up in the morning and I have a cup of coffee, I can go skiing. Why did they miss skiing because they couldn't have coffee because they didn't have coffee that morning and they were
so tired. Oh, they felt like they couldn't do it. So they stayed on the ski lift. Instead of getting off, they just went around and went straight back down. It's amazing. And called it a day and and to their credit. You know, the weather is something that happened. But they're credit, they're just like, this is fucking loser. Yeah. Enough. And they they went to zero. And that caught my attention because when you talk to someone, no offense to anyone who fits in this category. But
let's just say if someone is a Mormon and they've never had caffeine, that's not my life. Right. They've never had a hit of the sauce. Yeah. I mean, although technically they're work around like Diet Coke instead of coffee, but we're not going to get into the weeds here. But like if somebody hasn't had a taste of the like delicious poison, there's so many things, right?
There's so many things like this where it's like, okay, if you've had one significant other and you've never been out and about and like sampled the buffet of the world, like we can't really have, it's very hard to have an apples to apples talk about relationships. Like it's just it's a different situation. Right. Same with caffeine, but this person had been hitting the sauce for decades. And then they got off. And that was inspiring to me. Then I had this restriction and I just extended it.
And just to give the punchline, my sleeping issues that I've had for decades, every single one just vanished. Best sleep of the last 20 years. Woke up wide awake every morning after the first like, let's just call it like a week and a half. I had tons of energy and got super high volume of stuff done. And what I realized, and part of the reason to answer your meta question, why did I do all of these things? I was curious what my real
baseline was. Like what does real baseline look like? What is Tim untouched, unaffected by all of these various supplements? Oh, it's another thing. I took a month off of all supplements. I only took my prescription meds like the Ulrich and so on. Yeah. I got rid of all supplements. And no Deca or Tisapha. No, no, no, nothing. Okay. And I was very curious to reacquaint myself with what the sort of pure baseline Tim is. And turns out baseline Tim does really well. Why go back then?
You got hungover. No, I didn't get a coffee. I didn't get hungover. Just good after I hang over a little bit of the lead. So I also before I went to South America, I listened to an audiobook, which was called or is called the easy way to quit caffeine. That is an extension of a brand that started with smoking. I think it's the easy way to quit smoking. And I know people who have literally multiple people have listened to this. They have their last cigarette and they're done.
And they stop. So it's a little hokey. Okay. That made an impact on me as well. Do that for January. I'm writing that down on my list. January, no caffeine. And now that I know I can do it, I'm definitely going to do it again. The reason that I got back on it. And this is, I'll actually add just a little bit of color. The first is that there were days without caffeine where I would say to myself, I'm tired. I really want to capuchino. But I realized because I
interrogated it, I was like, well, I'm not allowed to have a capuchino. Am I really tired? Right. And I came to the conclusion that no, I wasn't actually tired. I just wasn't fucking wired. You see what I mean? Like my normal had become multiple coffees in the morning and God knows where else. So I had taken as my baseline a default, I mean, wired sounds too negative, but like stimulated state. And when that was removed, the story that I conjured was I'm tired. But when I was unable to have
the capuchino and I went on to record a podcast podcast turns out great. I'm like, okay, let me revisit this. I wasn't tired. I was just calm. Interesting. Crazy. Interesting. And why did I get back on coffee? Coffee for me I've realized is probably like alcohol for a lot of folks. And there's sometimes, I'm not going to lie. Look, let's be honest here. Like there are times I was like, I want to take the
edge off. Sure. Have a drink. Yeah. But more often, because I don't drink that much, I use coffee as I can security blanket when my life gets hit with something unpredictable or un-predicted. And things seem a little out of control or I'm not sure how I'm going to make it through something. Walking to the coffee shop in the morning and having that coffee, it's a life raft of consistency. Yeah. We saw this drink, COVID, right? Where people would line up at Starbucks for three hours
to get a coffee because it was like the one semblance of the amount. You know, and there's also a high to it. So it's also a high. So even though I realize intellectually that it's kind of productive, like when I am feeling as I have been for a host of reasons that I want more people with, but just gone through a pretty challenging week or two. My response to feeling a little anxious is to want coffee, even though it increases anxiety physiologically. This is one thing actually,
we know each other a long time I don't know the answer to this. I don't know that I've seen you do this. Are you an afternoon coffee guy at all? I don't know that I've seen you do Mate, maybe a little bit later. I typically do not have coffee in the afternoon. Yeah. And I really try not to have caffeine in the afternoons, which I violated this week. So in the last two days, or I should say in the last, this is just saying in the past seven days, I have violated that.
And what I've realized, because I've run the end of one now, and there are a bunch of different variables. So I realize this is imprecise. It's not a perfect science is that I can drink coffee and fall asleep. That's not the problem. But it disrupts my sleep architecture. Quality sleep. I wake up after three days, very little time, three days of drinking caffeine. I wake up and I have circles under my eyes, like dark circles. Are you quantifying this in the
sense of like, are you wearing an aura ring? Do you have any of their data where you're looking at it? I'm not currently capturing the data with an aura ring, but I have in the past. I've seen what it looks like. So I know that's the case. I'm falling asleep. My time in bed, if we're just looking at a clock, it's fine. But I'm waking up tired. I hate that. And then what do you want? You want another hit? Of course. You want more of the sauce? First thing, I'm a little juice. And there's a
lot to be said for it. This is not to completely knock coffee. Like I don't think for the rest of my life, I'm going to be caffeine-free. But now I have a better awareness of what my baseline looks like. So I can return to that. So let me taste something crazy. This was before I met Darius. I'm trying to go back in years now. So probably let's just call it 15 years ago. I gave up coffee for about six months. Six months? Yeah. That's legit. Well, but I wasn't really that addicted to it. I was
having like a cup every other day or whatever. I went back. I remember I was living in San Francisco at the time and I went to Richel Coffee, which is fantastic coffee place. Great place. And I ordered a tall like single origin coffee. And I drank the whole thing. And I will tell you, when you go six months without coffee and you have a full cup of coffee, you feel high as a kite. Yes. Super. I was like 10X, what I feel today with a cup of coffee. Yeah. Because your
body just, I mean, it is a powerful drug when you've gone without it for a while. Super power. Do you have any sense of how long it takes to like get that back? Have you done any research? Like to get what back? That initial like childhood high of like, first couple of coffee. How long do you go without? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I will say on the opposite end, which is what I thought you were asking, how long does it take to develop tolerance and experience with withdrawal
symptoms? It is so fast. Oh, so fast. And one day, if you go without coffee, for serious coffee drinkers will be headaches. Yeah. Well, I would say furthermore, if you stop drinking coffee, and I'm using coffee as a bit of scapegoat here, like I love coffee. But if you go without caffeine and then you get back on caffeine, and you're on it for two or three days, and then you stop again, my personal experiences, you are going to feel withdrawal symptoms. And that is unlike most
other drugs. It is a powerful, powerful, powerful drug. Right? Like I'm not recommending this, but hypothetically, if you were like smoke cigarettes for a few days and then stop, you're fine. Yeah. No problem. You're not going to have a headache the next day. But with caffeine, it is an incredibly powerful drug. And I think that's in part because it is often disrupting sleep architecture. That's my vote at least. One question for you. One of the things that I have yet to try that I've been
really curious about is I know that there are cultures. I can't remember. I'm going to screw it up. I don't know if it's like an ink or I can't remember exactly which culture it is from Mexico that did high dose chocolate almost like a cow like a cow ceremony where they drink this super purified cacao insane amounts of caffeine. And they reach these kind of spiritual states. Have you ever heard anything about that? I haven't read reports, but I know that for instance, I want to say in some
places in Mexico, certainly Guatemala, you have cow ceremonies. I don't know. I was invited to one one time a cacao ceremony. So I don't know the historical record. I don't know how much of these things were used a hundred years ago, a thousand years ago. There are many new practices that have created the narrative of age old use. Right. For a veneer of credibility when in fact things were very different, a thousand years ago. You have to imagine cacao was a staple. Cacao has been
around for a while. Yeah. So in the case of cacao, my understanding is it contains theobromine, which in and of itself is a fascinating word. So theobroma. Theo like theology. Broma, food, food of the gods. Theobromine, which is pharmacokinetically is very meaning just if you were look at the graph of peak and half life and so on. It's quite different from caffeine. Is that the vasodialator of the plant? What causes? Because I know like Kokavia for example.
Are you familiar with that supplement? Kokavia? Yeah. It's a cacao supplement from a large company. Yeah. From Mars. From Mars. Yeah. But the crazy thing is, it's like I was talking to Ron DePatrick about this. And she has had one of her, I think it was her mother-in-law or something like that, high blood pressure takes Kokavia drops it down because of vasodial later. And it's a big fan of it as well. And it's been showing cognitive imprimism as well. Yeah, I'm not sure.
It very well could be the case. I mean, when you get the dose makes the poison, the dose also makes the transcendence for a lot of different plants. And so in the case of cacao, I have experienced higher, let's call it higher dose cacao. And you can reach an alter state for sure. I'm going to caveat what I'm about to say with the do not ever do this warning. But for instance, there are plants that at high enough doses are absolutely psychedelic, which I would never recommend because you can
die. I'll never be at that fatal risk. So do not try this at home. But tobacco, as an example, has a very rich history in South America and elsewhere, but especially in South America, where high doses of juice have been consumed. You have every mode of administration you can imagine. It has been done and is very common down there. There's a book by Johannes Wilbert, which is titled along the lines of tobacco and South American or tobacco in South American shamanism.
It is very dense. It reads like a PhD dissertation. But when you consume pretty much through any route imaginable enough tobacco, you can experience the psychedelic experience. Can I tell you a story about this? Sure. I had this. So I was in San Francisco at the time and they have, this is called a decade ago, they have a bunch of chefs that are very experimental. I won't name this chef, but it was a one Michelin star chef that infused tobacco leaves into an alcohol. And you have
to be insanely careful. If you look up online, like you said, if you put too many leaves in the infusion, you will have a lethal overdose of nicotine that will kill you. And so this chef knew what they were doing. I would never try this at home. They made me a bourbon infused tobacco cocktail. And I was like, this sounds interesting. I'll give it a shot. You don't need to sleep any time soon. No, listen, I drink this one drink. And I'm like having a good time getting a little chatty.
You know, like, who is fun? And then I get up to use the bathroom. Oh boy. And I swear to God, it felt like my feet were sinking into the ground as I was walking. I was walking down to stumps with my knees. My legs were like collapsing as I was walking. You're like, wait a minute. I was like, because I don't smoke tobacco at all or anything like that. And hit me like a ton of bricks. I'm like, I am high as shit. It is a very potent substance.
Especially for non-smokers, you gotta be really careful. So come and fulsure hope. Right. So cacao, powerful, fascinating plant, sacred in a number of different cultures. Tobacco, be very careful folks. It is powerful and potentially lethal. And then coming back to caffeine. It is the, as I understand it, the world's most commonly consumed psychoactive plant. T is the number one. T in coffee. Yeah. And it has this place.
I love my cup of coffee. Trust me. I had one this morning. And I think the exercise, if you can do it, not everyone can, but of rediscovering what your baseline is. What you actually felt like when you were 12 or 15 is so valuable. It is so valuable because I now know what that feels like. And I know that I can return to it as an adult. Yes. That holds true to anything that you're doing. Call it alcohol. Any substance that you've become dependent upon.
Yeah. Right. It doesn't have to be just caffeine. It can be anything that you've like, that you almost feel like you can't live without. Yeah. Sugar, carbs, some activity, traveling late night pizza. Yeah, late night pizza. I mean, if you're a road warrior and you just travel all the time because you say yes to everything, okay, what does it feel like to sit at home? Yeah. If such a thing exists for you for one month, what does that feel like?
Yeah. And if a bunch of weird stuff comes up, like maybe as tar Brock would say, like to one sage, only one question matters, what are you unwilling to feel? Oh my God, I have to have a rhythmic podcast. That is one of my best top guests. Yeah. So if you haven't read it, folks, radical acceptance, which Dardar, I owe Dardar thanks for. So if you don't have a reference to my wife, Darya, and we call him Tim Tim. So this is a, which came about,
actually, let's give people like a real look into the archive. So Tim Tim came about because we were on a trip to China to drink puer tea all over the place, right? Which was one of the weirder trips I've ever been on for a lot of reasons. We were in the Union problems together in the middle of nowhere. We had some very strange experiences on that trip. Drank a lot of tea, had a motley crew of people with us along for that ride. And there was another Tim on the trip.
So there was a question of how do we keep the two of you separate and you came up with, I believe, Tim Tim. I mean, it was a collaboration. It was kind of real time. That's how Tim Tim came about. So Darya, who is neuroscientist by training, which is why I actually took the book radical acceptance seriously because I'll do respect. I love Tara. Love this book and a huge impact on me. But the title gave me an allergic reaction. I was like, oh god, another one of these,
I just, I just, I just sound hand wavy. Okay. Kumbaya did you redo? Like, okay, I just can't do it. But the fact that Darya, who has one of the lowest tolerances for bullshit hand wavy stuff that I know of, the fact that she said she gained from it, gave me permission to dive into it, which then had a really big impact on me. So coming back though, if you feel like you can't live without X, that is often a great signal or at least a prompt to ask yourself what might an experiment
look like for two to four weeks to go without X. Been super valuable for me. It's awesome. I wrote it down. No caffeine in January. I'm going. I'm serious. You know, I might double down do with you. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah. No calf. All right. Let's talk about my experiments, shall we? Yeah, let's do it. I'm excited. I'm excited about this because I also don't know the details. I know that you saw the text messages. Awesome. The text messages and I was very curious. Okay. So I
don't know how to frame this. Let me start off at the best I, the best I can. Let me, so this is a big one. I am pregnant. I'm pregnant. What is the one we're on source now? You got pregnant? I can't remember the name. Yes, I know the mood. Basically, that's I have the same physique too. So basically for people that know me or don't quite know me, like I've done a bunch of stuff in terms of being like an entrepreneur and an investor and these different things. And one of the
hats that I put on a couple of years ago was dabbling in the world of Web 3. And Web 3 for those untrained, you know, it's cryptocurrency. It's it is decentralized internet. It is NFTs. It's art on the blockchain ownership, right? It's if 1.0 is read only internet 2.0 is read right 3 is
actually owning a piece of right. What's on the plane? So it's a very exciting frontier and it's filled with a bunch of explorers that I would say it's a small number of people call it probably you know, in terms of people that are excited about digital art call it, you know, 250,000 people or less. But it is a serious group of people that are enabling a new canvas to take form in front of us. And I believe in my heart of hearts that for all the bad press that we see about
NFTs and all the scams and don't get me wrong, there's tons of that shit. There is something true about if you had to close your eyes and wake up in 20 years, will collectible digital art be a thing? Of course it will. And the blockchain is a perfect place to prove provenance, to prove scarcity. There's a lot of advantages there. Long story short, I launched something called Moonbirds, which was a PFP project. I remember the text I got on the day of that launch. Oh my God. So we launched this
collectible NFT and it skyrocketed way beyond what we had ever thought. So to give you all a sense from launch to one year in over a billion dollars has been traded in Moonbirds NFTs. That's so wild. And I did not expect that. You know, I really didn't. But with that comes trading. And I have never lived the world of trading. I've grown companies to quite some size,
but never publicly, I've never taken a company public. And when you take a company public, i.e. Nasdaq, you know, near stock exchange, you deal with the ups and downs and feedback from people that are now stakeholders of that particular company. It's different. This is an equity holding an NFT does not make you a shareholder. It's very different. But they still pay attention to what is the price of this NFT. So when the NFT goes up, times are good. People are happy.
And when it goes down, people are not happy. I've had people truly hug me and say they've paid off their house because they sold one of my NFTs for $200,000 and they were stoked. And it was like tears kind of hugging. I've had people basically tear me apart saying I am the other person on the other side of that equation that bought the NFT for, let's call it whatever, $50,000, not $75,000, $10,000 doesn't really matter. It's all relative to how much that person has as an individual.
And how are you going to fix this because NFTs are down and they need to go up. Right. Right. And some of it is on, you know, what we build to try and build bigger and better things for the ecosystem and try and hopefully prove that we are a company here for the long term. It has taken an insurious and emotional toll on me as an individual. I've had many, many sleepless
nights. I've had anxiety like I've never had before. I've had to work with therapists and I've had to, I've had to reach out to my primary care physician and get anti-anxiety medicine, which I've never had to do before. I have had some dark moments, not dark like in suicide, but dark as in, it's destroyed me because I've always considered myself an honest person. I've never been here to screw anyone over. You're also a very, I consider you to be like an empathic feeler. Maybe the
right word is like you're a deep feeler. I am a feeler. So if something like that is sitting with you, you take it very personally and I remember when you had like stomach issues. Oh my God, IBS related issues. So this year, I've been treated multiple times for these types of issues
with physicians, all kinds of things. I had, they discovered, you know, the high blood pressure thing was discovered because I have a brain aneurysm right now that it's on the smaller side and they're watching it and I'm fine, but those grow the more stress you're under because the more blood pressure that builds up the larger the aneurysm can grow. And so, you know, as you can imagine, all these things hit you at once. And so I felt overwhelmed. I felt like I couldn't go to work. I
felt like I kind of just needed to reset, you know. And Huberman, who I love, who's been on my podcast, Andrew Huberman is a top 10 podcast now. Oh my God, it's killing it. He's doing such an amazing job of executing. I don't think I've seen anyone better at doing monologues the way that he can do them about scientific topics. I mean, just if you haven't subscribed to Huberman's podcast, I mean, it's along with the T as a top five medical podcast to subscribe to along with Rhonda
Patrick. I mean, they're all heroes. Huberman did a couple hour episode on ketamine therapy. And ketamine therapy, you know, it's used for PTSD. It's used for severe depression. And it's used for anxiety. And it sounded really interesting. It rewires neuropathways. And Huberman's episode highly recommend. I'm not a scientist, but he is. And he goes in depth about what it actually is doing on the brain. And I always thought of ketamine clinics as being these shady places,
these places where, you know, there are real people with real addictions that they treat. If you're hooked on everything from endphetamines to any type of serious addiction problems, they see these types of people and also people that are about to kill themselves, like really suicidal. Like, if you go to an emergency room right now and you say, I'm going to end my life in the next 10 minutes, they will most likely treat you with some type of ketamine to just like get you out of that state.
It's a very common emergency room like a Hail Mary to like get you back into a state of like just being, okay, I don't want to end my life right now. And now we can work this out or take you to an institution where you can get help. So I was never there, but I got to the point where I was like, I need to do something dramatic and different. And I need to reboot because I can't take the comments I'm getting on Twitter. Now did you see the Huberman episode organically?
It's organic. It's organic. It just came across and I was like, oh, I've always been interested in ketamine. I heard about ketamine in a recreational setting. And you know, sadly, who is the friend? Matthew Perry. Yeah, Matthew Perry just the text ecology report came back and said that he was like ketamine when he drowned. We can get into why that that is in a minute. But you know, let's focus on your personal experience. And I'll just say also, ketamine and jacuzzi
is a pool or water to mix. Exactly. There are multiple fatalities don't mix those two things. Well, when you go into ketamine, you are literally sedating yourself to where they can give you surgery. So the sociodaphanis that. Yeah. So what my doctor has told me the ketamine, the doctor, she's an emergency room doctor that did my treatments is she said to me that she was a 10-year,
I think 10 or 15 years of emergency room doctor. And she goes, if you came in and you had dislocated your hip, she goes, I would give you what they call a bolus dose is that what they call when they a bolus is right. I mean, they're giving you a lot at once. A lot at once. They just like push it all in, right? Yeah. And she's like, I would give you that to about like camera of the exact X, but it was a multiple on which they give you for therapy to put you under so I can get that
hip back into place. And then you wake up feeling fine. Unfortunately with Matthew Perry, he took a dose that was equivalent of subconscious, fainting, falling asleep, drowning type dose. And they said the toxicology report, I read it, he had that level in him that would have put him in that state of kind of like passing out, right? Yeah, drugs and water don't mix. Don't mix. Just don't mix. So it wasn't the fault of the ketamine. It was he was using it recreationally
versus under supervision of our professional, which is what is needed. So I found this clinic in LA that they literally have the set and setting right. So they're all about like you come in, it's just beautiful, comfortable, peaceful music, really relaxing, reclining chairs. I mask because it's important to go inward. It's not about just getting this therapy and looking around the room. Music with like drums and beautiful like sometimes I pick my own playlist. I do a little more
chanting. You don't want like lyrics or anything to distract you. And they have you hooked up to a blood pressure cuff that measures throughout the time, a heart rate monitor, like really professional setting. It's called golden afternoon is the name of the clinic and amazing name. It's an amazing name. And the doctor there, gosh, I'm going to draw a blank for where she, I think she was, she penned. I can't remember where she got her, her, her MD, but like top tier school emergency
room doctor is legit as they come. So I felt really comfortable because you know a lot of this is about set and setting and comfort. And safety and safety. Yeah. So I went in there and I was like, I'm going to give this a shot because you know, he even convinced me that this can help me with
anxiety. And so I laid down on this comfortable chair, turned on the heating like they have a heating element in the chair, tilty back a little bit, put on my nose, cancelling headphones, the gaming and IV and IVs does sound hardcore, but for people like you and me that do like blood draws like every other week. Who cares? I don't care about this shit, but it does sound how core to most people. The gaming IV and you know, I closed my eyes and I went to a place, man, I went to a place.
And it's a beautiful place. And it made me over multiple treatments. And I did eight in total. And they normally do six for depression, which is really interesting because she said that it's typically anxiety is harder to treat than depression in her experience. And they gave me eight in total and you two per week. And about halfway through the best way I can describe it is imagine that life is a series of crunches. And I say crunches like the ab workout. Okay. Where is
like nobody likes to work out their ads, right? Like and what? And because ads are like, oh, fucking ab day like, you know, nobody wants to do that. And I didn't realize it, but I had had a 35 pound weight on my chest the entire time I was doing ab workouts. And it took that weight off. And I had and I still have, and it's been weeks later, a bit of grace and lightness to the way I'm carrying myself throughout life that is just a piece that I haven't felt since I was
probably 10 or 12 years old. Were you interacting with anyone in the sessions or was it all internal? No, it's all internal. So it's headphones on, music, I mask, entire session lasts for about an hour and a half. They have a camera that's watching you. If anything comes up, one time I have my music accidentally stopped and I raise my hand, they're in there within 30 seconds. They bring you hot tea when you're done. They let you take your time to slowly kind of like come to and then you
can literally walk out of there and carry on with your day. And you know, the first session, I was like, okay, this beautiful second session was a little difficult. They say imagine it's kind of loosening up the plaque in your brain and like rewiring circuits and like it's not always going to be easy. But by I remember the sixth session, I just walked out there and she and Dr. Jen came in and she goes, how are you? And I said, I could run a marathon right now. I feel amazing. I feel
like a weight has been lifted off my chest. And I just, this is such important work that you do. Such important work because it's not about, there's not an addiction to substance. I don't need to go back. Some people go back for boosters depending on what they have. They have, she told me that some people that have depression will come back in, you know, every three months, every six months. She says,
some people she never sees again. And it kind of takes the anxiety and pulls apart from your body so that you can see it for what it is, which is silliness because life is play. And when you realize life is play and we're all here just trying to figure out our shit. Yeah. Why are we taking it so seriously? Yeah, there's a lot that just does not matter. It doesn't matter. We can just chill, man. It doesn't really matter. So that we have clean drinking water. Like what the fuck are we complaining
about? So that the weight on the chest, was that something that you can't put words to that you just felt release or and you don't need to get into details or was there a content to it? We're like, Oh, no, interesting. Was in content. Content was beautiful. I don't know if you've ever experienced this Tim with I've never done I wasca, although at some point I would love to try it. But like, I opened my eyes and it was when the mask is on and I was seeing things that were as high of
fidelity as what we see today. Like right now. Yeah. Where you're like, I am in a room right now. And I felt very present. My dad's passed away. I felt very present with a father source there at times. At one point I saw the entire world and I saw how small I was and I was just like it immediately gave me the sense of just like gratitude for that being that little spec, but also at the same time not having to take and carry the burdens of the world on me for being that little spec.
And so there's bits and pieces of that. But I would say at the end of the day, when you come out of it, it's not like you had this epiphany. It's more like Dr. Jen calls it time on brain. How can we make this sit and do the rewiring on your brain and give you time on brain with the drug and the compound? And let it do its work. And so it was a lot of surrendering. There's a lot of saying, you do what
you want to do. I don't care where you take me emotionally, mentally, whatever. It doesn't really matter. It's time on brain with the compound. And after a certain number of sessions, you just feel this natural lift and lightness. And it felt like I'm not a ballerina. Big surprise. But it felt like a little bit of a walking through life is a little bit of a dance now than it is such a struggle. I'm actually super happy, man, to hear that. It feels amazing.
And I remember getting some of the texts from you and I was excited to have this conversation, which we haven't had. This is the first time we're talking about it. It is. And I'll say a few things. The first is that I have seen a number of cases where ketamine therapy has changed or saved lives. So a friend of mine, for instance, who suffered from depression, his entire adult life had a similar experience to yours. And he went to a clinic at
Believo's in New York City, very well run. And he goes back once every six months for a single tune up, let's just say a session. And I actually know also not going to mention their name, but someone we know as a mutual friend who you probably don't know also does this once every three to six months. And separately, I know someone who's in law enforcement who is heavily disincentivized from talking about mental health with his superiors because you will be
put on leave generally. If you even hinted at that in your insertion professions and a line pilot, for instance, you're going to be put on leave. And it's a nice way to say you, it's a career risk to bring these things up, which puts many more people at risk. There should be better processes for this. But nonetheless, he was suicidal at one point. We're talking about somebody who was carrying around a firearm all day. And ketamine was an intervention that
was incredibly effective for him for pattern interrupting. And I use that very literally because the pattern was a thought loop. This is personal. This is permanent. This is never going to change. And when you're able to at least interrupt that for a short period of time, you provide people with hope or at least a window within which they can consider other options. So for acute suicidal
ideation, also for chronic pain, very interestingly, ketamine is super interesting. It's interesting to say that because she, Dr. Jen, over this clinic, told me she treated quite a few people for chronic pain as well. And it works quite well. So I unexpectedly, because have you done it? So before I talk to anyone about anything like this, generally, I am volunteering to be the monkey shot in the space. So several years ago, I did six sessions over three weeks.
Ketamine. Yeah. Oh, shit. Why did you never tell me this? I didn't realize I didn't tell you. So I did six sessions. This would have been with a mask on. And like in this particular case, it was music, but it was not mask on the way that this particular clinic ran things was with video, which was very strange to me. But nonetheless, it was sort of nature scapes. So I was like, okay, well, this is new to me. I'll try it. And it ended up being supremely interesting.
I was not going in with an acute condition. So it was hard for me to evaluate ultimately. Yeah. A lot of the efficacy. They found it very strange. And I found it kind of hilarious because they would do an intake each day of active sessions. And they would ask me to do very assessments for anxiety. And my anxiety levels were going up over time, which they found very confusing because you may have experienced a little bit of this. Ketamine can compromise a short-term
memory in the short term after session. So you might like, forget where your wallet is or forget where your back is. So that can happen. And that happened to me. And it happened to be the case that while I was doing these sessions because I shoehorned it into my schedule, I also had a number of huge podcasts coming up like LeBron James and so on. And it was freaking me out that I kept forgetting shit. And so my anxiety was going up over the course of treatment,
which was not typically what they said. So I did the same thing. They gave me a whole like breakdown. It was one to five on, you know, a bunch of different scales. I think it's a pretty standardized, like, you know, thing that they give you. I can't remember what the anxiety scales are. But like, mine went down to literally a one on all of them, or zero on all of them, which is amazing. It is amazing. And I want to mention a few other things. So I'm sure humans episode is excellent.
For people who want to have a comprehensive overview of Ketamine, I'm sure humans is great. So listen to that first. It's fantastic. I also did an episode with John Crystal, who Dr. John Crystal, who is the chairman of psychiatry, Yale, who did a lot of the seminal research with respect to Ketamine as an anti-depressant in humans. So the protocols that get used, which I think are generally like 0.5 milligrams per kilogram of body weight, etc. over
experience of time with why number of infusions, right? Those are the protocols that he developed with his other investigators. And I want to mention a number of things just to make sure that I'm doing my safety first Ferris duty. So the first is that part of the reason, and this is pure speculation, but I think that it was risky for Matthew Perry to use Ketamine is that he had a history of abuse. Ketamine can be very addictive for people who are unwilling or
unear to feel certain things, dissociative anesthetics. So if you have, for instance, a history of alcohol abuse, it is, I would say, increasingly likely that you might abuse Ketamine, which is why, if someone were to consider Ketamine therapy, I feel very strongly that it should be IV or intramuscular injection and not at home treatment or on a risk of... Where you have access to, say, lozenges or nasal spray. Because there are companies that do
lozenges at home. Yeah, I completely agree. But I will say one thing Tim, real quick, and I'll let you continue. I notice my desire for alcohol go down. Yep. I think that that can happen. And I'm just saying for folks who, for instance, may be coming out of or part of AA and they have issues with depression. My personal take after everything I've seen is that
prior abuse of alcohol highly correlated to potential abuse of Ketamine. And I would say further more, there are some neurological risks if you use Ketamine chronically and alongside that, if you use Ketamine chronically, and this is true for a lot of drugs, actually. But that's for snorling though, right? No, it's for snorling. Because you wouldn't be in your logical track otherwise because it metabolizes in the liver.
Well, most people who consume Ketamine recreationally, well, it would be their mouth or it'll be a lot of it'll be snorling it for one night of one sort or another. So they'll either have it in it'll be in suspension and liquid or it will be a powder. They snort in the same way they would snort cocaine. A lot of people carry little lockets around their necks with Ketamine. I've seen this a lot. By the way, that's not what I'm talking
about today. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, they are. So just to be very clear, Ketamine therapy with IV or I am has a track record of being incredibly promising for a train physician. Yeah, like for a number of other things. But where some folks get lost is they go from instead of clinical setting, higher dose supervised, they bleed into more casual recreational use. In which case, it's very important for me to say that Ketamine can be very helpful for people
with say, tremors, this int depression or chronic depression. If you use it chronically though, it flips the other way and it actually makes you predispose to more depression. So it's just something for people to be aware of. And as is true with so many things or is not better. Do you know what? What was the drug that Michael Jackson died of? Do you remember the name of that? Sure. I think it was a synthetic opioid or was it? No, no, it was basically some type of anesthetic.
Yeah. So it was funny. I went in, you know, because I'm old now in my 40s. I went and had my first colonoscopy because like you supposed to do that. You know, part of the job have you done that yet? I have. Yes. Yes. I went and did mine. And by the way, this is this is very sad, but do not skip your fucking colonoscopies. No. A very good friend of mine since we last spoke rolling Griffiths, who's an amazing scientist from Johns Hopkins. He died of terminal cancer.
And I had a long conversation with him a few days before he died before I went to South America. He was completely razor sharp up until the end. And my recollection is that part of the reason that was caught too late is that he was a few years late and having his exam. Yes. So I had mine done and they caught a couple pre-cancerists as they do with most people
these days. Yeah. Do your fucking screens. And you got to do your screens. But anyway, long story short, when I was going in, the anesthesiologist came in the room and he was kind of a funny guy. It was cool. I like those guys, you know. And I asked him, I said, can I have a slow ramp? And he's like, what's the slow ramp? I'm like, where you just kind of get to me a little bit of time. I just like, it's like, feel like going into that like that zone, you know. And he's
like, it's funny. You say that. He's like, I'm giving you the same drug they gave Michael Jackson when he died. And I was like, oh, that's crazy. I'm like, why? And he's like, he was just a dickhead to it. And so he gave me the slow ramp. And I remember this feeling about probably let's call it 30 seconds into it where I felt like I was okay with dying. It was just like this, this moment of like, this is beautiful. And I was like, oh my god, this is what Michael Jackson
was feeling right now. Purple. Purple. Purple. Yeah, exactly. That was it. All right. And so I get it. But this is like to the point of Matthew Perry dying in the pool. Like this stuff puts you under. It puts you under so that you can have surgery. Yeah. Yeah. And that is what ketamine does as well. And ketamine broadly speaking is an incredibly well tolerated safe drug. Part of the reason that ketamine is, I believe, listed in the World Health Organization's top
100 most essential medicines is because it is generally very well tolerated. Yes. And it does not suppress respiration. Yes. Exactly. Right. Which is a huge one. Right. That gigantic. And it's an incredible compound. And you just need to know the risk profile. And there are risk profiles for everything. Of course. You know, we have tequila and we have water in front of us. Water has risk profile too. People die every year.
Did you keep on the tree? Me because they drink too much water when they're training for or running in a marathon. And that causes disruption of sort of electrochemical signaling. And then boom, they drop. And people die every year. You probably didn't hear about this. But there was a radio host DJ. Do you remember this? You don't talk about it. Where they have these water drinker. And you can get on with it. Yeah. People die. This has happened many times.
Right. So as parasolists would say, the dose makes the poison. But sometimes the frequency and the use pattern makes the poison. Yeah. And I think ketamine is incredibly interesting. Yeah. And especially when you get into the actual science behind it, we're not just using this as an escape. It's actually rewiring the brain. Yeah. And in human mind, we'll get into the
neurology behind it and what's happening. And why are these are more lasting changes? And why some people, not everyone, but some people can go and do this and they don't ever have to go back for a booster or anything else. And it changes them forever. So I don't know if I should get into this. Someone can always cut it. Someone very close to me. She was closest to a side. And she's a dear friend. She's a sweetheart of a person. And she was the first time I'd ever heard a ketamine there.
This was probably four years ago. And she said I was about to take, you know, the closer taking her life. And she had heard about ketamine therapy. It was like kind of new at the time. And she paid for the six pack, the six sessions, you know, the full six. And she hated every single session. And it was funny when I talked to Dr. Janet at the client that I went to. She said, it's very common people that have depression. They don't enjoy the experience. And I thought
that was fantastic. Love the whole thing. But like one of my friends said that at session six, she heard a pop in her brain, like a physical pops, like a psychic chiropractor adjustment. Literally the depression lifted. And she has been amazing ever since. And this has been like five years ago. And it's like, I believe her. She's like doing insanely well now. So Tim, I just want to one, thank you for how much money and effort you've put into psychedelic research.
Because thanks. After experiencing this, I realized that there is something here. And we don't have it figured out. Obviously, we don't. Like we're in the baby stages. But, you know, 10, 20, 30 years with AI, maybe 10 years, like this will get figured out. And it will be largely because people like you help fund this type of research. So I just want to say thank you for that. Thank you so much. I really appreciate that. And I'm so happy to see this text. Yeah. So happy.
I got to tell you, if you're in the LA area, and obviously you'll talk to her as a doctor, this is her advice on that ours. And you'll go through the whole screening process. But golden afternoon dot clinic, I think is the website. And she is an amazing human. Very caring. Comes in pre-imposed checks in on you. A really well run facility depression, anxiety, PTSD, war veterans, all these people are going in to see her. And it's a great. It's God's work.
If we're ever leaving God or not. Yeah, there are some great clinics out there. I will say there are also a lot of fly-by-night clinics. 100%. So do your homework. Yes. One of the main advantages, or it is a main advantage of ketamine as compared to other psychedelics is that in the United States, it is currently legal. Yes. And that is a non-trivial advantage. And I will say that one question you may want to ask in doing your due diligence, if you consider this as an option.
And I do feel after canvassing many different compounds, many different treatments that for cute suicidal ideation that ketamine is at the very top of the list. It is on a very short list of interventions that have incredible promise for at least creating the space for someone to consider treatment options. And the question, the due diligence question that I recommend, and this is true for any type of drug-assisted therapy. It's actually true for surgeons too. It's true for
doctors in general. Ask them what types of adverse events they've observed, what type of abuse potential they've observed. If their answer is, everything is always fine. We've never had an adverse event. That is a huge red flag. Yes. Anyone who has enough mileage, if they are ketamine clinic physician, if they are an ER physician, they will be able to tell you what things look like when things go sideways. Yes. And how they handle those situations. And if they don't volunteer
any of that, it means either they're inexperienced or they're delusional generally. How to percent. And I'm giving people a bit of a break or it means they're lying. And in all three cases, you do not want to have anything to do with that particular practitioner. By the way, I let drop she's a Princeton. Princeton. Yep. Go Tigers. Look at that. That's where my doctor, my doctor, and Phil Wolson, for instance, has done a lot of writing on this. Do your homework. You are
signing up for, let's just call it psychoactive brain surgery. So to the extent that you would do your due diligence related to a surgeon who is going to be physically opening your head, carving a hole in your skull and performing manual brain surgery, do a commensurate amount of homework on the person who is going to be providing you with compounds that have a significant impact on cognitive functioning, not necessarily only in the short term, but in the longer term.
You want to hear another crazy drug story? Let's hear it. That's why we're here. Yeah. All right. I'll give you a refill. Speaking of drugs, Andrew Huberin would not be pleased. Would you disagree? Disappear to a... Disappear to a... Oh, the till I straight, Dray Tequila. Yeah, occasionally. A teal will have a drink or two. Hey, he just knows what he's signing up for. Anyway, we can come back to this. There's part of the
reason that, you know, I had a wild experience in Portugal recently. No matter how much wine I have there, I do not have a headache the next day. And I think it's additive-related. I can feel tired. It'll fuck up my sleep. I mean, at the end of the day, it is alcohol, but fascinating. How different my physiological response can be. In any case, that's true with this stuff too, for me personally, with Lalo. That's great to hear considering I'm consuming a good portion.
Yeah, good portion. All right. So let's talk to you about my tattoos. I'm pointing. Okay, should we... All right, you know what? I'm going to leave that as a cliffhanger and come down. Yeah, come back wild. Dray Tequila. That's what I'm hearing, town. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. Are you going to hear about the crazy machine? What? Okay. Let's tattoo and crazy machine. What's going on? What's the bracelet with the skull on it? Oh, that's just a...
Bracelet with skulls. Yeah, bracelet with skulls. Okay. So one of the premier generative artists, when I say generative, what I mean by that, for those that don't know is like, there's a whole genre of art that is code-based. You write actually computer science code, and you create art. And one of the premier artists in the space that's been sold at Chris Sees and Sotheby's and all of the place is Tyler Hobbs. He's based here on Austin.
Awesome guy too. Another sweetheart of guy. But he told me he's always enjoyed hanging out with you. He's hanging out there. Go with the other guy. He's... He is... And his wife would just lovely beyond words. Such great people. Yeah. And so Tyler lives here in Austin and his NFTs, you can say what you want to minute these, but his NFTs are just absolutely gorgeous pieces of artwork and it can sell for at times millions of dollars. Like they're really sought after.
Also a legit visual artist outside of Cook. Oh my god. Like I went to his studio today and he pulled up in binders. He's been doing some decades of his visual art. And it's just like, he's not in this for the quote unquote NFTs. Like he's an artist like to his core. And so one of the things that he strikes me as the person that's always saying, what's next? How can I push things in a different
direction? Right? And there's a company based out here called Black Dot. It has a machine. It's a robot that uses not tattoo needles, but you know when like people get like their eyebrows like a cosmetically tattooed on. It's a common thing like some I don't want to be gender based here, but it's mostly women that get it like tattooed on as their eyebrows. But like they use a much finer needle than they would say a tattoo gun. And so this robot, this machine uses these really
fine needles. And what they do is they take and we can put this in the video as well. They take and they put this kind of template on your arm that is more or less just like almost like a QR a massive QR code kind of grid. Wow. That's my forearm. I was wondering about that. You sent me a text and I was like, what the hell? Oh, because that another is that your tattoo? Okay. No, it's just like a giant QR code. Yeah, like a giant QR code across my forearm. And that allows
the optical lenses and the lasers and everything to align the tattoo. It is doing 17,000 small micro pushes into my skin with this needle. Okay. And it does it. They can gauge with like these depth sensors, the correct depth of the dermis to go in so that the ink doesn't spread out in fate over time. Yeah. So they can do insanely high fidelity tattoos. Like picture perfect. Even when you see those pictures of like, Oh, that person got that baby tattooed on their like chest. How
cute. Imagine 10x the fidelity of that where you'd be like somebody took a picture and like pasted it on their chest. Yeah. They have a machine that can do that. So you're never getting those off. So you change your mind. What this is is Tyler started with he drew me a sparrow. And the reason I like a sparrow is because to me a sparrow is the most common low ego bird to me. That's out there. It just reminds me that in like I'm just getting a little sensitive but like
reminds me that we are all just sparrows. We don't need to take each other like no one's better than anyone else. Yeah. We're all a common bird. We're all humans, right? And then what he did is he applied an algorithm to it that degrades the burden to a pixelated form over three images. That's cool. Yeah. And so the last one is his last algorithm of the more pixelated version. And so you can imagine I'm getting this tattooed on my arm tomorrow. So wait, you're getting
a tattooed tomorrow. What is that? This is just stencil. So I wanted to show you this today. I've wanted to show you this today. Okay. Cool. So you can imagine a world where literally in the future, how long does that stencil last? You could wipe it off and with some alcohol and stuff. Oh, it's like you know just there for the show. But you can imagine a world where he can give you
an algorithm like he does with his artwork. And you can walk in put your arm underneath this machine and get a unique generative piece by an artist that is one of one unique to you as defined by an insanely famous artist. Imagine if you know, let's backtrack here, but Picasso had the tools in his day to say, I'm going to create an algorithm that is a bunch of crazy swirls and chaos that is my brain. You know, a bank. Sure. Whoever banks, whoever. And you stick your arm in and you get
a one of one Picasso, they're only doing three of them. This is a brand new machine brand new technology. And so that's why I'm out here. Wow. Do a one of one Tyler Hobbs. Why arm with a sparrow? That's cool. Black dot. Black dot. Yeah. Okay. That's a new kind of start about here. The Austin. There's a lot happening here. There's a lot happening. That's cool. It's so cool. I want to show you the one they did of the Mona Lisa. It's amazing stuff. Do you have any tattoos
at all? You don't know. I've been thinking about getting my first, which is why I asked about the stencil. So look at that. Oh yeah. It's like just the eyes of the Mona Lisa right there. Like but look out and look how high fidelity that is before. Yeah. That's why. Yeah. That's best. Pretty wild. So you've been thinking about getting one. I've been thinking about getting one for years, which would be Molly. Molly's paw prints on my forearm. But what was that? You would not. Are you
serious? Yeah. That's kind of awesome. Yeah. How does Molly now? Molly's eight. Between eight and nine. The toaster is slowing down, man. Yeah. It's tough. It's so sad. There's nothing more heartbreaking than starting to see your dog start to go on the decline. Yeah. Yeah. Like he's falling now. We have to take the podcast there. But yeah. But it's like, hey, toaster's been with the podcast since day one. Even when he's been in the cable. I was just going to bring it up. And back in the day,
this is still dig era, I guess. And we're at your apartment in San Francisco. And he was just a little pup chewing on the cables. Yeah. I remember that. He's still kicking it out. He's still mentally sharp as shit, which is great. Like nice. Yeah. It's nice to see him. I'm playing with him. Friendly toast. Yeah. What a great dog. Yeah. So for me, it's hard for me to imagine a world where any circumstances in which I would regret having the popper in some on the arm. And there
are many other. How much is that dog meant for you personally? Because I've seen you through multiple relationships. Dogs are like this thing that it's just like the steadfast love. Has it been a good, I mean, obviously, it's been a must been insane emotional lift for you to have an animal like that in your life. Yeah. It's changed me fundamentally on so many different ways, I think. And it's not just the receipt of that love, which is it's like a task in and of
itself, right? I mean, like I actually saw this at one point, somebody had sketched it on to this piece of wood and I came across it. And it was your task in life is to learn how to love and be loved. That's it. And being loved is actually not straightforward for everyone, learning to receive
that in a way. So that has been a gift. But it's also been a practice of giving and thinking about someone else's welfare and having a say dog as a mirror also for yourself where let's just say early on when I was training, Molly and I took training super super so I was there for that. And I was I ended up being pretty good at it. And Molly's very well trained. But if she fucked up or made a mistake, I would get upset. And you'd hit her. No, she's crazy. I did not hit
my dog on Peter with a rod. So no, I wouldn't hit Molly, but I would get very frustrated. And then that would scare her. And not because I was flashing out, but I would just get so frustrated. Because I'd be like, God, this is the 37th time we've done this. And it was a mirror because Molly's not doing anything deliberately to piss me off. That's ridiculous. So it just was a it was an incredible reflection in the pond for me to see what was going on and to see what's
going on with me. Like if I'm short tempered, if you're with other people, you can weave a story to justify it. Right. Well, like they should know, like God didn't get any sleep and they know that and that. And why does it always have to be in the morning that they blah blah blah, you can really spin a yarn to rationalize why you're upset with someone else. But a really loving, well-behaved dog you kidding? Like that's a you problem, pal. Like that is not a dog problem.
Yeah. So on all of those levels, she's just been such a wonderful companion and teacher. And I was away from her for a few weeks recently for the first time because I was in South America. Yeah. Absolutely not the right place for a dog where I was in the middle of the jungle. And I really, really missed her. So I mean, I've got a really like, take us there. But like when I think about which I do pretty often, like when she has her decline and then passes, like it's
heartbreaking for me to imagine. And I'm going to get a second dog almost certainly in the next year. That would be on my nearest resolutions too. And I've thought about this for a few years, but I've pushed it off because there's part of it that doesn't want to accept that Molly is mortal. So I've pushed it off and pushed it off, but it's it's it's good to do it on the sooner side because when they're older, like I could never introduce another dog to toaster right now. Yeah.
Because these two old that handled that puppy energy. Yeah. versus if you did it now, then they can kind of like you and Molly is really good with puppies and she loves puppies. Yeah. So I'm going to do that very soon in the next year. And I at one point was volunteering. It's a long story, but I was volunteering around wolves. And I was preparing the food and so on for these wolves,
which are the ones that like to do in the teeth and stuff. Yeah. Which were being sort of rehabilitated and raised in captivity because they had either been bred and raised in captivity, in which case the campy released. Or there any number of conditions that led to them being non viable as wild releases. And I saw one of the volunteers had he was on his rib cage. He had a print from this wolf that he had known for years until that wolf
passed away. And I thought to myself, you know what? I've never felt pulled to have a tattoo. And the fact that I have no tattoos is kind of novel now, which is funny. Right? Yeah. Tattoos are pretty cool. Oh, you got to go to the jazz, my lady. She's amazing. So I might I might. And I thought, you know, I really have a hard time imagining regretting doing that. And I can also see it being a really valuable reminder of a lot. Tim, I've got something for you. Listen to
this. Tell me. You know, I said, said someone was going to play my birthday. Yes. Jess is going to be out there at the same time. Okay. Why don't you sign up to get the tattoo at the party? I mean, not at the party, like the day before the day after. Oh, my God. All right. And she is like booked out by like a year. She did Bruce Will's tattoos. You know, she's like legit. She's legit. Okay. All right. Jess Moschetti on Instagram insane. All right. Now she's booked out for five
years. I just exactly. I just I'm just looking up strings. This has been on my list for a while. It's been on my list for a couple of years. I think partially because of nervous. You would love her. Can I ask you a question? Yeah. I want to ask you a question that is a little bit more intimate just because we've had some tequila. And we're talking about dogs and just kind of the companionship and whatnot. Speaking of kind of like New Year's resolutions and looking back on
life. In the last 10 years, when it comes to both personal, either intimate relationships or private, what would you if there's any one thing? What would you change about your interactions with either someone that you've been with on an intimate level or someone that maybe it's like on a more friendship level? Is there anything that you can look back on and say I would have done more of this? That is an exceptional question. And you know when I was driving over here, I was thinking
about another question. We have the ultimate cliffhanger in the crazy drug story. So maybe we'll get to that. Maybe we won't. Maybe we'll do the next episode. But I was thinking also, I was like, what would Kevin tell his, I'm going to ask your question. And I was thinking, what would Kevin tell his 30 year old self? My current Kevin. I do this. Maybe not do so much of that. I thought that
could be a fun exploration. With the interpersonal stuff, I think that I would say just because someone needs other things, needs, things that are different from your needs does not make them high maintenance. And by the way, Tim, if they looked at you through the same lens, you were looking at them through, they would decide that you were high maintenance. So gather some tools. I would
say read the five love languages as cheesy and schlocky as it might seem. That shit is so helpful as a framework for discussion for identifying and easily labeling the different categories of needs that you might have and putting them in some type of order. Oh, interesting. You're a quality time person. Good to know. Number two would be this. Oh, you're a physical touch in the acts of service person as I am. Right? Like these are shared vocabulary that you can use to really
avoid and repair a lot of things. So I would say, handful of things. Gay and Katie Hendrix, also like conscious loving. There are a few books. If you read for a so-it said look, if you really care about someone, commit together to develop a shorthand, which allows you to not necessarily prevent, I don't think prevention is the key. I think repair is the key. If you're going to start up and you're like, well, let's just prevent all the bad things from happening. That's
never going to work. Right. Shit's going to happen. And people are going to have bad days. And you're going to say things you regret and they're going to be disagreements. And by the way, if there are no disagreements, something's wrong. Right. 100%. And therefore having a shorthand and a set of agreements, these are the rules that we agree to play by. And we're not going to be perfect. I would say that would be very high on the list. And I would say for really close
relationships, potentially, maybe I'd say it's Alba, who knows? MDMA assisted psychotherapy. Let's just say anywhere from once a quarter to once a year, no more than once a quarter for a whole host of reasons. But I think that while MDMA assisted psychotherapy for PTSD is incredibly impressive. And I've been very involved with that from, I don't want to say day one, because that's not true. But certainly for the last 10 years or so, I've been very involved
up through phase three and now onward. The results with treatment resistant PTSD is a complex PTSD where you see people who've had this diagnosed for 17 years, suddenly after two or three sessions, end up asymptomatic. Right. They would not meet the criteria for PTSD with durability out to six, nine, 12 months. I mean, it's something that almost defies belief. It is causing a complete re-examination of psychiatry as we know it. I still think that is second place to couples work
when it comes to MDMA. I think that that is an incredibly fruitful arena for seeing the full potential of MDMA assisted psychotherapies. That would be another one because sometimes, oftentimes, couples end up, and I know multiple people now who have had this experience with professional guidance, which by the way, folks currently is legal. So before warrant, there are
legal consequences or at least risks entailed with this. Not to mention the fact that at least, I would say 60 to 70 percent of MDMA that you might purchase is adulterated or mixed with something else at this point. So you need to be very careful. DanceSafe.org is a resource I would recommend for testing kits and so on. If you're going to go that route, I'm not recommending you do anything illegal. However, people are going to do it anyway. Yeah, international people are going to do it
anyway. I just recognize it's like you can't just say to every teenager like don't have sex. Like kids are going to have sex. So let's be realistic about it. I did that shit one time. It's fun. Yeah. Had sex? No. No, I did. When I was 23, I did, I did. Well, they were kind of ecstasy back then, but like holy shit. Yeah, no compound. Yeah, and that can go, that can also go sideways just for. Yeah. So like there are films out there now. How to change your mind,
the mini series on Netflix, watch the NBA episode. It is excellent. Yeah. And it's pretty heavy because it gets into some PTSD, but you'll be able to see live session footage if you want another alternative or compliment. He's great. And there is also a doc called Trip of Compassion, which is worth seeing, which has a lot of session footage as well. But those are few of the things
that would come to mind. I was saying a friendship level. I might suggest to my earlier self. Let's just say 30 year old self, something that I have really embraced and put into action in the last handful of years, which is going to sound a little anti social, but I don't view it that way. Humans have a finite capacity for building, sustaining really deep relationships. You just can't do that with everyone. And when I've looked back, say, and I do this every year at a past year
review, and I look back at my calendar every week of my last year. And on a piece of paper with positive and negative two columns, I write down the peak negative and positive experiences. If I look at the commonalities for the peak positive experiences, it's usually the same 10 people or fewer. It's the same cast of characters. These are my close friends who are nourishing,
supportive, good influence. And before what I would say to my younger self is before you seek to develop a bunch of new relationships, ask yourself, are you spending enough time as much time as you would like with the people on that short list, who you know are guaranteed to be nourishing for you. And if the answer is no, maybe you should double down on those relationships. Maybe you should reach out to those people to get something on the calendar before shit crowds it out.
Before you look for shiny objects in new relationships, which doesn't mean I don't develop new relationships, I occasionally do. But I'm at a point where I think recognizing the ephemeral nature of life, the finite limits, the constraints that we have is actually very enabling.
It helps you to make cleaner, faster decisions. So for me, I would just say before seeking to develop new deep relationships, ask yourself the question for my closest five friends, let's just say in the last year, did I spend as much time as I would like with those people? And if the answer is no, reach out to this five first. Yeah. Yeah. What about you? Oh, man, I would say honestly, I think that we're at the age now where every day just brings
a new unknown in terms of like how long are we going to last? I've had multiple friends with cancer now. I had one friend that I almost lost this year that was in the emergency room for weeks that we thought had staged for cancer and ended up being a horrible bacterial infection from some foreign country. And it's just like, I just realized like, there's so many times when we hang out and we just give a hug and say, oh, good to see you. We don't say, I love you.
Yeah. We don't say you are so essential to me in so many ways. Maybe it's the ketamine talking, but like, no, but when I went through this whole thing with the ketamine therapy, I realized at the end of the day, love is the, that sounds cheesy, but it is the most important thing that we tell each other and that we feel for each other. And like, when you can really feel that and you say, this person is so important. I mean, you let them know that and you feel it back. I don't know what,
what's better than that, you know? Yeah. Yeah. What's more human than that too, right? Yeah. In a way, I mean, love, you know, you can observe affection and love in many other species, but the ability to verbalize it and express it. Yeah. Do you feel that psychedelics brings that out of you? Because when I did the therapy, I had more love in me than I've had in so long. Do you feel that's a commonality amongst psychedelics to have a sense of just
gratitude for existence? For sure. I think it's very common. It's not always across the board. I mean, I would say that this might be a controversial statement, but the psychedelics to me are similar to, there's a lot more to it, which we'll probably dive into, but kind of like alcohol or power or money in the sense that they magnify what's already there. And their term you sometimes hear is a non-specific amplifier. So I don't think at all there's no compelling evidence to me that psychedelics
if put in the drinking water produced world peace, there's no evidence for that. I mean, you have plenty of civilizations. Maybe lithium, though. No, no, no, no, remember there was this study. I remember, yeah, a little bit of lithium goes a long way. Yeah. People can look this up. We'll try to find there's some. Let's study them. People in populations where there is more lithium naturally found in the drinking water have lower rates of suicide than anywhere else. All sorts of stuff.
Yeah. So we'll see what we can find to put in the show notes. I do think low dose lithium is pretty interesting. Very low dose. But psychedelics are a non-specific amplifier. There are many cases of civilizations where they had human sacrifice, played soccer with human heads, and they consume psychedelics. I mean, I still sacrifice people. Yeah. Like, you know, every once in a while, the soul's
dose. I mean, it's, I think it's all fair game. But the feeling of gratitude and love, I think, for a lot of people who wish to enable that, to experience it more, who have the conscious or subconscious desire to rekindle those things that the experience you're describing is very common. Yeah, for sure.
And I think part of that is the dissolution. This isn't true of all experiences, but the dissolution of self and consequently, the felt sense of unity with many or all things, which leads you to feel for most people less alone. Yeah. Which leads you to feel quite grateful because to state the obvious, I suppose, despite the fact that we're more connected than ever with loose ties, I think a lot of people suffer from anxiety and depression that is highly correlated to
feeling of isolation. So when you can remedy that by feeling the exact polar opposite in some of these states, not necessary, but helpful, that the end result of that is a feeling of gratitude. For sure. Awesome. Yeah. Before we wrap things up because I know we're coming to the end and you still have some particular effect. What was the cliffhanger you said you wanted to tell us? Yeah. So I'll tell you what, I'll keep it short and then you can excavate as you like. I love
it. I love it. Great. All right. So as you know, for the last year, I biscuit been crippled by lower back issues. I mean, I've had trouble. There are days when I've had trouble getting up and walking. I mean, it's been that bad. I mean, to be honest, Tim, you first told me about this eight years ago or something. Yeah. When you got those injections or something, you were like, I think I have dysdysses. Yeah. Yeah. So I've had lower back issues for a long time. This is also
a congenital issue. So I have what's called a transitional segment. In other words, there's a segment in my lumbar. There were vertebrate in my lumbar area that really mimic a sacral vertebral segment. And that's problematic for a host of reasons. Creates an abnormal angle. If you can imagine just bending the paper clip over and over again in ways that it shouldn't be bent, that's sort of the feeling in the low back. And my brother has this. There are other people in my family who have this
issue. So standing extended slow walking like a museum walk cocktail party type of experience can be very painful like the low back locks up. But in the last year, specifically, had all sorts of issues and all sorts of MRIs and specialists and PT and adjustments and traction and this that and the other thing. And it was a disaster and it caused it. Well, let me give myself a little more agency. I created a lot of anxiety around this because I was like, fuck, is this the
new normal? Is this really the new normal? Well, because you project forward like what is five years from now? Yeah, I'm like, I'm not that old. You know, and I'm pretty active in your skincare. It's amazing. My skincare is amazing. I saw your Instagram. You know what's funny? You know what's funny? Sidebar is how much time you can spend on like a blog post takes six months to put together. And it's like you get like crickets and a fart in the wind and then nobody ever
reads it again. And then someone in your team is like, you know what people ask about your skincare? Let's grab a couple clips. I'm throw it up and it goes bananas. I'm on Instagram in the first through pops love it to me. It's like, hi, I'm Tim Ferris. People ask me about my skincare regimen. Let me tell you, I use Bronners natural soap. Yeah, like, I was like, what the fuck is to come in? Yeah. So here we are. Here we are folks. Your skin looks amazing. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Brat taking. You know, it's it's all natural working from the inside out. Coming back to the main through line here, terrifying experience with the back. And I had more or less given up. I was in the stage of grief where I was trying to get past an aisle and accept that this might be the new normal because no one could figure it out. And a lot of the advice I received, many of the diagnoses were conflicting. And then decided in part because of this to do
a few things. And the part of that was going to South America, which I'm not recommending. There are a lot of risks down in South America. It's generally like safety fifth. It's not safety first. So people get into a lot of trouble. But I went down and did this training which involved consuming much plants also involved fasting for a week. Also involved. Maybe water fast. Water fast. Jesus. Also days. Yeah. Also involved during that week. Really not sitting and standing very little. So
it was either hammock or caught basically. And I'm mentioning these things because they're confounders translating that into basic English. That means that I can't really point back to one thing and say this is what caused what I'm going to describe. But during the first experience, which happened to be with ayahuasca, which is a huge gun. It's I think treated very casually by people who do not
realize what they're signing up for. I do not recommend it to most people as my ex who's going to become relevant. Second, would tell you I talk many, many, many more people nine out of 10 jacks out of I'm not going to mention her name, but out my most recent ex out of using ayahuasca. Then I talk into using ayahuasca like nine of that 10. I say you should not proceed do not pass go for a lot of reasons. But in this particular case, had a very, very, very difficult experience. And I can kind
of rank order my hardest experiences over the last decade plus. And this would be the third most difficult. Maybe the second for different characteristics, we're just saying a lot. And there was a point at which in that experience, all I could imagine was having my head in the lap of my ex. Like that's all I wanted. It was the only thing I could even visualize because I was in the impact. So and I was just getting hit by a hundred foot waves from every angle. And there was no respite. It
was 10 out of 10. There was no wave meaning it didn't ebb and flow. It was just 10 out of 10 volume from peak until end of the night effectively. It was unusual and incredibly difficult. And that's true for everyone in the session. I'll leave it at that. Your shaman makes the wrong. I, this guy's famous for having a brew that just cripples people. And I like, like, yeah, I mean, there are a lot of other full-time clinicians from indigenous traditions who will not drink his brew. I'll put it
that way. Jesus. And coming back to the point of story, I'm imagining, you know, the only thing I can envision is this woman holding my head and consoling me. That's the only thing I can imagine. And then I realized that for a year, because we separated a bit over a year ago. And this was totally subconscious, right? It wasn't a decision on my part. But I realized I had not allowed myself to feel the complete obliterating heartbreak that was in fact the core response to that separation.
I like, I'd not allowed myself from fur from previous from that separation, right? Like, in other words, my psyche had seemingly protected me because of my history of depression, which I've come to manage better than ever before. Like, each year, I'm better able to manage it. And it's less and less frequent. It's less and less intense. But nonetheless, let's face the facts and college I almost
killed myself. So there's a fear, at least subconsciously, that because of this separation, because of starting over a square one, that I could spiral into a deep depression and that could be dangerous. So my psyche protected me from that by not letting me feel the sadness, the pain, to the extent that ended up being important, which I realized in this moment. So I allowed myself to soak in it. In that moment, I trip reports so fucking boring most of the time. And I apologize to people who
might be listening and thinking, go, here we go again, because I get it. Trust me. But in this particular case, I experienced something I've never experienced as soon as I soaked in that. And I really soaked in it. And it was awful. It was so dark and so heavy. And then I fell my back release. And literally I've been 90 plus percent pain free since that fucking moment. And it blows my mind because at that point, I couldn't explain it with the fast because the fast and ketones
are highly anti-inflammatory. And I think that they actually played a role hold on in the durability of things. But the fact that there was an immediate release is interesting. It is interesting. I can't explain that through fasting. I can't explain that through the just being recumbent laying down for seven days because that was yet to come. And I would say that I made
a tactical error in the last few weeks, which is I was like, fuck man, like I'm all good. And so I've neglected some of the basic self-care and strengthening and PT, which I think is important. Because my low back and QL and so on, which are some of the surrounding muscles, have atrophied over the last year of avoiding working with the back. There was that experience. And for people
who may be interested in delving into this a little bit more, there is a book. I don't agree with everything in the book, but it is interesting in the sense that it was written by a Western trained MD who ended up then opening a healing clinic in South America, focused on ayahuasca in diets, which you will read about if you get into the book, called The Fellowship of the River. So I found that book quite interesting on a number of levels. But the reason I bring this all up,
number one, people had recommended this book. I think it was called Healing Low Back Pain. I may be getting the title slightly wrong. Could be fixing low back pain, but it's by Dr. Sarno, John Sarno. And this book was recommended to me. I've read it before. And the general gist is, it's all in your head. Now, I took great offense at parts of this book. And a lot of it is scientifically indefensible. So he, unfortunately, I threw the baby out with the bath water a bit,
because he says a bunch of things that are ridiculous. And he cites these success statistics for his method while simultaneously saying, if I interview someone and they say they're not open to A, B or C, I omit them from my treatment. And I'm like, okay, well, wait a second, your selection part is out of control. Yeah. But I wanted to bring this up because that book has helped a lot of people, despite its flaws, and not everyone will at any point want to consume ayahuasca, which I
would advise against for 90 plus percent of the population. See, it can be very destabilizing for a lot of people and very risky. You know, I would say there are a lot of things you should do beforehand, right? Like try the talk therapy, try holotropic breathwork, consider after speaking with doctors, ketamine, after that, you can consider other tools. But ayahuasca should be like, let's do a fifth on your random show on ayahuasca. We could be possible. Yeah,
possibly. Yeah. Ayahuasca would be like fifth or sixth on the list of progressions. It would not be first. But I would say the Sarno books are interesting. I know they've helped people like Brian Coppeman, who's been on the podcast, amazing writer who was the co-creator of billions among others, rounders, etc. And it's something that I've always in theory agreed with the S. We store stress that I can have physiological effect. There are autoimmune disorders that I think
are intimately linked with different types of psychological disturbances. So you can address the problem kind of from the physiological side. First, of course, the brain isn't entirely separate. There's no kind of cartesian separation of mind and body. So yes, the brain is physiological. But you can attack it through content in a way or you can attack it through pharmaceuticals and physiology first. I think you can go both ways. But the Sarno book, I think, is worth a lot of people
reading. The second thing I'll mention, which is very, very simple and tactical. If you have lower back pain, I'm shocked to get this line to figure it out and say, sitting on hard chairs bothers you or lumbar support helps you for a year. I've been going to restaurants and asking if they have a cushion, do you have a cushion or pillow or something I can use to fix fucked up seating situations. This is the solution right here. This is it. This is a Pilates ball.
This is a pro body Pilates. Doesn't really matter. But honestly, this thing folds up six in your pocket. Yeah, and I've been traveling with it. I've had it behind my back the whole time. And like grave for first dates. Grave for first dates. Ladies love Pilates balls. But I will say, for instance, like the last time I did a podcast in this seat, I did not use this and my back was fucking killing me afterwards. But the killing me afterwards is not just an issue for today.
That's an issue that causes inflammation that fucks up my sleep for three or four days. Use this ball. No problem. I can put it behind my back or I can put it under my ass and it folds up and fits in your pocket. So anyway, folks, there you have it from the sublime to the ridiculous Pilates ball. Amazing. All right. How are we doing? Any other topics? I feel pretty good. Next time, we'll get to what you would tell your 30 year old self. Anything you'd like to add in that category?
No, I just, you know, I think if we're wrapping up now because I'd like to say something wrapping up comments. Wrapping up comments, please. Yeah. So my wrapping up comments would be this. I recently went out to dinner with five close friends of mine who of which, you know, most of them. Yeah. You know, just like the crew. The Wu-Tankland. Yeah. Just good friends. And one of the things
I did is I went around the circle and I said a few words of gratitude. And I think to my earlier point, one of the things that's really important to me after coming out of this therapy is just this vulnerability that allows us to speak from the heart because we don't know what tomorrow brings. And I just want to say that Tim, you have been a friend of mine for so long now. And I have appreciated the fact that my career has been a series of ups and downs and all over the place.
And you have been a steadfast friend. Someone that sends me some of the funniest videos I've ever seen in my life always keeps it lighthearted and fun. But I know that you care deeply about me. And I just want to let you know that I love you and I care deeply about you. And I will always be
here to have your back. And I'm wishing you a fantastic new year. I hope that you hit all of these milestones and more that you want to hit because I know that you are someone that I've always looked up to and someone that is just so inspirational to us all that listen to your show and your podcast because you inspire us to do more and to be better humans. And I just want to let you know that that that means a lot to me. And I love you. Well thanks Kevin. That's amazing. That makes my
night. Happy to say it. Yeah. It's the truth. I love you too, man. Our friendship has been such a constant for me, such a lifeline in a way with all the ups and downs and holy shit. I mean both of us have had some pretty wily ups and downs. You've had a lot of hot chicks you've done. I will say I didn't see that coming. Well you talked about ups and downs. You got a lot of ups. Yeah. I mean, I've looked. That's one category. That's a one category. And I'm like,
I light up the mood a little bit and I'm grateful for that. And life is like box chocolates, right? You just never know what's around the corner. It's true. And that's why it's important to say these things. It is. It is. And I'll tell you something. I have your Christmas slash New Year's card from like two years ago. So obviously at a date, it's like you and Daria and the kids. And it's up in my kitchen. Amazing. And I kept it there because I just I love
seeing you guys every day. And I think about you guys all the time and just have such love for your family. And I'm so grateful for our friendships. I love you too, man. As you said, it's important to say things are so uncertain and I've never experienced I've had friends pass from cancer before. Yeah. But I've never been there every step of the way from diagnosis to last conversation. A few days before they passed. That was new for me. Yeah. And it affected really deeply affected
me on a bunch of levels. And I want to be deeply affected by that. I don't want to push that aside. In part because Roland was so joyful and curious and optimistic until the end. And a very genuine way. It wasn't an act. It wasn't theater. That raised a bunch of aspirations in me because he was first and foremost a very dedicated season meditator. So I can't look for a piece of the puzzle. But first and foremost, he was a dedicated meditator for decades. That's amazing. And it attributed a
lot of his equanimity and preparation for death, which I got to see firsthand. A lot of people talk about it. But let's be honest or I'll be honest. I've read all the Stoics or a lot of the Stoics and I've read all sorts of Buddhism and rehearsed death and memento mori and this side and the other thing. But when I'm actually on as Roland said the final glide path, I don't know how I'm going to respond. I don't know. I have no idea. So to see someone who really walked the walk
in such a life-affirming way that lit everyone up around him was tremendous. And he said what he was able to and he was willing to say what he meant to those people around him who meant things to him. And you don't have to wait until you have terminal cancer diagnosis. You shouldn't wait. Just because it may not be that. It may be a car crash. It may be something where you don't get the chance to say these things. So it's important to do it now. Yeah, you got to do it.
Great to see you, man. Yeah, good to see you. Happy New Year. Excited for this is going to be a... Oh, just a little bit of cheers. To the New Year. To all the listeners out there wishing you a happy and healthy New Year. And yeah, I'm excited to... I mean, it's always a New Year of Change. A New Year change in exploration.
I think the one thing that you and I let's take a sip. The one thing that you and I have in common is just this lifelong pursuit of evolution of like figuring out because the secret that no one will tell you is no matter how much money you make, no matter how much success you have, we're all still figuring out. And in Rom Doss' words, we're all just walking each other home. Yeah, well said, man. I'm going to leave it there. There we go. Cheers, buddy. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. And happy
New Year to everybody listening. And as always, be just a little kinder than it's necessary until the next episode. That applies to other people, but also applies to yourself. Take it easy. Take it easy. You know, life is sure, but life is long. And we're all just figuring it out. And by the way, as far as I can tell, you never really figured it out. So true. So true. C-T-F-O, chill the fuck out a little bit. Be a little easier on yourself. And we'll put everything
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