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Hello boys and girls. This is Tim Ferris. Welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferris Show. Where does my job to deconstruct world class performers, all different types to tease out routines habits and so on that you can apply to your own life. This is a special in between a so which serves as a recap of the episodes from the last month. Features a short clip from each conversation in one place. So you can jump around, get a feel for both the episodes.
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First up Arnold Schwarzenegger, legendary bodybuilder, actor, businessman, philanthropist and 38th governor of California and best selling author of Be Useful, seven tools for life. So let's talk about one of the rules. Never think small. You seem like the walking archetype of not thinking small. You've lived multiple lifetimes compared to most people. How would you suggest people think of never think small or what stories come to mind that from your life exemplify that just a very beginning.
I mean, for me to go and say, I want to compete in the junior Mr Europe competition rather than just in a Mr Austria competition. I trained just as hard as everyone else in the gym. The goal was just smaller. They said, I want to be Mr Austria. And I said, I want to be Mr Europe. So I'm going to start with Mr Junior Junior Mr Europe, the best built man of Europe. I'm going to go to this competition. And I was thinking bigger and I was training as hard as they were.
Everything was the same, but then when I won that competition because I had a very clear vision. That's what I want to win that immediately launched me into getting a job become a trainer in Munich in a bodybuilding gymnasium. Now imagine how in heaven is that your young bodybuilder you're 18 years old. You just won your first international competition.
You win some local competitions in Austria, you win some powerlifting competitions, some weightlifting competitions. But now you are junior Mr Europe and you have this trophy. And now you're getting a job to train in a second biggest gym in Munich.
So that was like absolute heaven. So with 19 I started training become the trainer in the gym. So now I had the opportunity to train day and night. If I didn't wake up because I was sleeping in the gym. I was waking up and I was training. I was taking a nap in the afternoon. I was training before going to sleep at night after dinner. I was training. I was training day and night. So this is a dream. But it was all because I thought big.
I was working for some bathhouse in Austria or for the government or being a trash collector or being a teacher or something like that. There was still stuck in the same job. I was already moving on to Munich and I was already a trainer in a bodybuilding gymnasium making this the launch pad to America which was my ultimate dream.
So this is what I'm saying. So it didn't take more work to think big. It's just thinking big makes you bigger. And then what I'm my point is it takes just as much effort and I learned again from bodybuilding from that kind of thing I learned that don't hold back.
So when I went within age of 19 I was the youngest Mr. Universe competitor. I competed in a Miss Universe contest. I placed second out, placed runner up so that the year later I went back with the age of 20 and won Mr. Universe the youngest Miss Universe ever. But this is all because I was thinking big. I was not saying oh maybe in a few years from now I go there or I shouldn't go there right now or something or it's too early or is. And then it's just something right away.
I'm going to go for the second Miss Universe next year. I'm going to go to America. I'm going to go and make sure we're aware of me and you know make sure that I win another competition in yours. So I was driven bigger and bigger and bigger. And even when I was going to do acting I didn't look at this kind of like I'm going to get some character roles. I wasn't interested in character roles. I wanted to be another Steve Reeves or Rich Park.
They were the stars of the Hercules movies. Clean these with just a star. We always cleaned these through it. You know in their fist full of dollars clean these through in a dollar a few dollars more clean these through in this movie. Whenever it was it was like that's what I wanted. Charles Browns and I want to be like Charles Browns and I want to be like Warren Bailey. I want to be like this guy. They were the top stars and that's what I saw myself.
And they said well this ladder is very hard to build or to climb up to I said well then I built my own ladder. I built my own ladder and then I know exactly how to get up there. That's exactly what I did. I created my own way of getting up there. I took five hours that I learned in bodybuilding at the five hours every day of working my ass off the train and the train and the train and the pose and the pose.
And the two orders of dinner needed to do I said I'm going to do the same five hours but I'm going to go and learn English. I'm going to learn acting speech lessons, voice lessons, accent removed lessons. I should get my money back for those. But in any case I took all of this lessons one hour every day and it was grinding it out and then I remember eventually it happened. People started hiring me. And the great thing was that I felt that I should not be financially vulnerable.
So I first got into real estate and I worked my ass off in real estate. My first million actually made in real estate before I really got into acting and that helped me because now when they came to me with stupid parts and said you want to play a bouncer. I said fuck now but when I play a bouncer. And I said I want to be a star. I want to be a leading man. I want to get rich and famous. Just looking at these. I was bronzing and it said you're crazy. It would never happen.
Well I applied to other movies which is down. Listen to the nice a us so I worked my ass off. I did exactly what I did in the bodybuilding. I did in the movies. Eventually it happened. I started doing the train man's full story. I started doing the with correct judges and and Margaret the villain.
I was doing streets of San Francisco. I was doing stay hungry and pumping on or in the seventies and even be glues your ball. Being happy and aversary and goodbye. So I did all of those kind of things and then that led to the big role. And now I've arrived starring role in Conan the barbarian. You know when John Milliers saw me he says if we wouldn't have Schwarzenegger we would have had to build one.
But the body that everyone said would ever ever become famous in the movies because the movies no one is seeing muscle movies anymore. All of the opposite came true. My accent became very welcome when they're determinated. They love the German accent.
They were the rich in Cameron called Schwarzenegger talking like a machine that's why it broke the determinator so things like that so we said the things that they said would never make it in Hollywood the accent the name the body all of the things became big glasses and it made it so that's my own ladder that I built that's why it's important you don't just worry about climbing a ladder that someone else is built no build your own ladder.
You know just don't wait for anyone else to that's what I did. Next up Morgan Howell author of the psychology of money and his new book same as ever a guide to what never changes. What we didn't cover in our last conversation is how you draft your first drafts or your rough drafts because you have these ideas you're at the grocery store you're out on a walk you're in the shower whatever it might be.
What does it look like when you put first words on paper or screen because that is where I often procrastinate facing the empty screen the blinking cursor what's your move there I first needed to disclose that what I'm about to say is probably the worst writing advice you could give someone so if you are a new writer or an aspiring writer like plug your ears and fast forward this but I've always been I've always been including the worst advice for writers I've always been like this I don't think it's a good.
Strategy but it's been my strategy I'm kind of a first draft and publish writer I think the best way to write is to write a shitty first draft get it done and then go back and edit and clean up and rewrite and whatnot I've always been one sentence at a time and when I'm done with that sentence it's final.
So by the time I get to the bottom of the article or the bottom of a chapter it's pretty much done but that's not because I can write a perfect first draft it's because I'm not going to leave this sentence that I'm writing until it's perfect I'm not going to move on to the next sentence until every word is perfect so that's always how I've been believe curve on to get talked about swoopers and plotters I may be getting the wording wrong but swoopers are the vomit of first draft refine refine into a diamond and then the plotters are.
Are the line at a time one small facet at a time and then they're kind of done I tend to err on the side of being closer to that myself however that doesn't seem to work unless you have a clear idea of what your structure is going to look like or at least of where you're going to start. So that you're not then endlessly swapping things around or scrapping the first half in which case you're edging more towards that refine refine refine.
So how do you figure out the structure of a piece or what your lead is going to be when I start an article or a chapter even I really I have no idea where it's going to go it's not like all the ideas are in my head and I just need to put them out on paper and I feel like the process of writing is the research process for me and so that's kind of where the plotter style comes in which is I write one sentence and I sit there and stare at it and it's like oh that reminds me of this oh like that prompts another thought that I had that paragraph I just read.
I just wrote reminds me of something else I can pull in that's really where it comes from so coming up with a with an idea honestly I think most blog posts I start with a headline and I'm like I want to write an article called everything is cyclical whatever it might be and let's just run with that like that idea like because everything is cyclical and I'm sure I can put together a story about why that is in a couple examples of that so let's just start there and see what happens and I just start throwing things on on the page and usually within the process of a blog post or a book chapter.
I'll go for three walks around my neighborhood and during that walk I'm 100% focused on what I'm writing and thinking about what did I just write is that true oh it actually that reminds me of something else so that's always a process if I'm sitting at my desk I really can't get my brain to work as well as it is is when I'm getting up and walking around so very often too if the weather's bad outside in the middle of writing all like get up and fold the laundry or get up and do the dishes get up and just walk around the house is like I think movement is really critical to forming new people.
It's really critical to forming new thoughts and moving the piece along which is so critical when you don't know where it's going to go when you started writing it. Next up Apollo Robbins the world's most famous pick pocket.
I knew that I could figure out how to put something inside of a bag of M&Ms and reseal it in real time without anybody noticing and I thought what could I do with that let's just find out yeah yeah and that's where it started to become a jazz so this interaction with this guy Jamal when he came up he says so you can still something for me and I said I don't really know what was your name it goes Jamal I said how do you spell that Jamal.
And he said Jay I said could you write that down for me and he pulls out his pants goes to write down his pen wasn't working and as we've heard before yeah and up to this point my stuttering the break of my speech the break of my sight lines with him has been very low status break of your sight lines meaning eye contact.
And keep straight eye contact within very much I asked him about his suit that's really fancy it was all those status and then everything just changed then it's this thing I said with this happy archimal and straight eye contact and it's the refill to his ink pen and he had way under estimated step way too close he realized suddenly and when that moment
that he's in the cycle of trying to make that because the only solution it could be is the one he didn't want to accept right so he's canceled out the truth so where is he going to go from there yeah that I'd stolen it taking apart put it back
together and put it back on him couldn't be that's what else could be pausing time time travel so in that not that moment while he's in that bewildered state I just said well at least you didn't lose your money or your wallet and when I did that just glance down because I know he has watch on his left wrist so he's probably right handed so he's probably going to keep his wallet is back right so I just glanced back toward his back right pocket and he jumped on that big he reached him pull
out his wallet real quick check to see if he had everything still in his wallet and I laughed and I saw his attention shift back to the pen and I pushed down his hand I said you still have everything and he put it away and he says you've got to do this to Lisa said yeah great meter I just looked over his shoulder to where I thought at least
I might be and he took off to go get Lisa comes back and he shoved his lady towards me in this agent and I'm dance monkey dance yeah I have I'm having one there to perform yeah I know I know and I'm talking to the agent I have a drink and this is an important thing the drink because it's a part of the style it's not alcohol it's just water but it's there I don't need anything from him I'm not being validated and a lot of performers will try to spoon feed the audience
but letting them bring a thing to them letting them have a reaction without you needing to feed back off of it and letting people have this experience for themselves and so when he pushed the lady up I didn't quite look at her first I said sorry it's nice to meet you I looked over and I said what was your name she goes Lisa and she hadn't quite come close to me at all I said she said what's happening I said sorry Lisa he wants me to steal something from you
she says what I said do you like chocolate she says chocolate I said yes there's some chocolate in your purse she said what she opens her person she finds a bag of M&M's in her purse and he's reacting very strongly to this and he's watching this third party he thinks
and then she said how did those get my person I said the same wage of malls drivers license got to have his wallet now he's jumped back into the equation he rips his water again really says license is missing and he goes where in the fucking my drivers license and I said it's in the chocolate as I take a sip of my water I just walk away so I let them piece it together themselves she tears over the M&M's and she finds the license in her thing next up
Guy Lully Berte co-founder of Cirque du Soleil and founder of One Drop Foundation and Loon Rouge and I still I play business and I have fun playing business because it was always about the game you know it's like we come from nothing so what was the wrong situation go back nothing
I didn't leave that and that's where I come from and while I was seeing successful people failing because they were starting to nurture to not having tomorrow they have today and such a nurture fear and there was like no could you explain that a bit more I've seen a lot of successful enterprise there's many things that kill success I the first one I've seen is about once you have success you get a lot of reward financially and then you're starting to
nurture the fear of not having tomorrow what you have today right and then change your entire way of addressing things so suddenly you're not the same person you don't address your business the same way you don't address your vision and things because you're not your fear okay so my say or that is like danger there is but please evaluate danger don't nurture fear because at the moment you nurture fear is a good chance that you call your fear and the
results of the fear so that's one thing and I've seen a lot of entrepreneur shifting they we have been shifting or transforming what they are and deny where they come from so at the end not being themselves and having a business of success changing their soul their way of doing things and become other people which again could affect the real company and the other one is more recognizing or realizing that as soon as moment you're not the person to bring your business or your baby to another
level to be able to step out when you realize that you maximize for different reason your contribution to the success of your enterprise so let's talk about the first part of that just a little bit longer because I lived in Silicon Valley for 17 years and I have a lot of friends from that period of my life many of them have shifted I would say into trying to defend what they have or have experienced more fear because they don't know who to trust et cetera I mean there are
many stories about it so what else would you say to those people their people you care about you see them maybe changing or feeding the fear what else would you say to them you mentioned something about trust is a thin line between
wasting time of doubting versus trying to see the best side of a person and work toward making a merge of a person this best site and this is a conversation that's still have whatever my kids with my ex and the actual business is this notion of to which level you trust without compromising the
fundamental and this is very difficult to conclude because I've lived the two-spectrum of that life I got some of the best reward by trusting people and focusing on their beautiful soul versus their dark side and that has been
very rewarding that I provoke the observation that people have sometime when you have give them trust they will fell in the trap of failing in the greed they go on power side of life versus the love respect and trust side of life which is what we had built or things with and that brought me a lot of
deception to people I really trust that I believe that we had enough experience together and they fell in that part and again it happened in my own little ethos but look what's going on the world you know we're driven by this tension between the two side of it and obviously the people are driven by greed, ego, and power every morning they wake up and then thinking about how they could be better us you know on the side of the
love piece and love and stuff like that we get it on the face we look at the sun we meditate and we're almost slow the react of that so I guess we have to be a little more organized if I'm understanding you correctly me it sounds like you're suggesting maybe defaulting to trusting people and expecting sometimes you're going to get punched in the face but that's just the tax you pay for being optimistic or are there other ways that you protect the fundamentals?
No I would say at the end there's more success and failure but the failure are more touching than the trust because it's usually attached to deception so I'm talking more about the deception you know you're in business you win you lose you make good decision you do bad decision that's part of it you have nobody's perfect and nobody's perfect in the choice of who you work with or you trust or not it's part
of doing business it's more deep than that when I'm saying it's just like so this is why I guess as much honest conversation at the beginning to establish not the contract this is why in my contract I always not put just the legal part I always start the first page by the assumption the
spirit of how a deal is done because my wish that if there's conflict before going on the legal battle you look at what the spirit of the deal was and if you have sensitive people intelligent people they will relate to this foundation version the word of the legal things and that's actually a
page in the document that has the contract it's a patient of contract where the first page is not about legal stuff it's about the philosophy the spirit of why we're doing the dream what I brought us to that deal why the spirit of the deal okay I made a mistakes
to forget that sometime and this was the most chaotic things because I'm telling you it's like if you don't attach to the spirit and it's just legal we're living in a country you know not America especially in the States hit and me will make me happy make a mistakes
and not clear it's much more difficult for a person to deny the spirit if it's been written down and it was denied I say it's not what I say because when you try to bring the spirit in a oral conversation they will always find a way to just fight that's not what they say
it's right the thing it's very difficult for them then let's betray all understand then you know it's a betrayal it's not a misunderstanding is that first page I'm very interested in this is it almost just like regular text like it's paragraphs or is it bullets it's
it's understanding that we desire to conquer a planet March we will do everything to you know it's like very poetic sometime very philosophy it's very mission oriented you know we all do document in business a mission and vision so why are we not putting those principle right in the contract when two parties do things because this become a new mission this is bill on new value and I think this is I believe an antidote against persecution or illegal process yeah that's very
smart well I've not been that smart all the time because I mean in some case that I forgot to put it or my family office I forgot to put it but now I'm telling you this will be for no on even with experience I did forget to put it because I guess I even trusted more that I believe that it should not put in and that became the biggest betrayal in business I ever did so now it's there forever next up rich Paul power broker and superstar agent behind LeBron James and Dream on Green
you said in a gq interview which I had a great title so rich Paul power broker of the year that the biggest obstacle or one of the biggest obstacles for young players in learning how to become a pro or be a pro is establishing infrastructure what do you mean by infrastructure most guys that's athletes especially they've come from an environment to where everyone alone the way has made it about them and so if you have the mentality that is only about me then
you're not going to value other people and what they capabilities are what their expertise is but if you're walking corporation we can name one corporation that does not have infrastructure organization they have an organizational chart they have people that do certain things and there's clarity within that infrastructure but it comes with the cost and so most athletes don't want to do what they don't want to pay anybody to do anything because along the way
everyone has did things for them for free but it wasn't really for free it was to be able to be standing there next to them at a time where there was actually something to gain so I'll sacrifice this now when you're an amateur to be able to stand next to you to get some crumbs or whatever the case when you become a pro and whatever their aspirations were if it was to hang out the girls the travel whatever it is the money whatever it was but you see
what they did basically you created something that ultimately became your own eyes because up front you taught them wrong you talk to them oh I'm doing this out of love I'm gonna pick you up I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do that all to turn it around on them when they start making money and say remember when I did this or I did that well that's not fair to the player and it's also not fair to yourself but the conversation should be like it's look I understand you don't
have the ability to pay for anything and if you're a parent I'm doing it out of love I love you you're my kid but if you're somebody else just be honest with it hey look I'm gonna do all I can to help you get to where you need to go once you get there if there's an opportunity for me and I'm gonna do all I can to position myself to where if you give me that opportunity I can then be a value to you very simple yeah the when free isn't free right it's an
clear prepayment for things to come later that's when it seems like things can get extremely messy how do you help them when they say sign with you or even just start to develop a relationship with you to take the first steps for
building out infrastructure what are some of the first steps that you might recommend I would say checks and balances really getting the proper financial team in place and that's everybody from a CPA to the guy who manages your investment portfolio or the company that managed your investment
portfolio really having somebody monitor that because that's a very fragile thing there but at the same time deciding what it is that you want I like to live a certain way now that I understand better on how to live and so if
you are a single man with no family do you really need a 20,000 square foot home probably not right and I'll be home half the time do you really need to fly private probably not so there's different ways to go about it but what's most important should you hire a chef yes you should should you take
a shortcut on that no you shouldn't do you know the difference between the chef and the cook you should find that out because this is very important your chef should be going sit with your nutritionist on your team and figure out you should do all the testing everything you need because your
body ultimately is the engine that keeps you running that's how you make your money what are some of the key ingredients for sort of emotional support and stability I'm just imagining young athletes who are suddenly in the limelight they have all the temptations they have a lot of
pressure there must be and I've been I know a few professional athletes who've gone through these periods periods that are very challenging and certainly after retirement or the end of their playing years some very challenging times
what have you seen in terms of the best ways to support that could be from your side it could be other ingredients player health on that side of the ledger now days I think there needs to be someone that players need to talk to and be open mind to having a therapist to get stuff off their chest
they deal with a lot they deal with a lot I think is also important for players to not feel entitled to do things you know oftentimes they feel like they have to take on all this onus to do something for other people and that's not real because when it comes down to it if you
ask probably 80% of the players that aren't in position they used to be in and ask them who can do for them it's not going to be many if any for that matter meaning people who are willing to help them of course yeah and then how are they positioning themselves so where when the ball stops
it's not about just having a ton of money like how can I do something else how can I be perceived while playing as someone who can transition and do something else there's this idea that I made a lot of money I have to do nothing else well that's not true because you made a lot of money
but you didn't diversify your portfolio unless your money is making money for you and you live a lifestyle in which you're 8% or 10% or whatever it is return each year is able to pay your bills and your taxes on your home and stuff like that then you got to go to work you have to go to work
and it's a big difference when you when you made $50 million this year and then next year you made nothing it's just tough last but not least a special episode all about coffee featuring ethno botanist and author of Tales of a shaman's apprentice Dr. Mark Plotkin
about the same time that coffee was being introduced in a South America the Dutch East India Company began importing large shipments of coffee from Java then in the Dutch East Indies now part of Indonesia into Holland in the year 1711 and as had happened in the Muslim Middle East
demand for coffee sword in Christian Europe artists writers and composers began singing the praises of coffee sometimes literally Johann Sebastian Bach composed the coffee cantata one of his most beloved pieces as part of the libretto he wrote
quote how sweet coffee tastes lovelier than a thousand kisses sweeter than musketele wine honorary de bozac the famous French playwright and author penned an essay entitled The Pleasures and Paines of Coffee I believe Balzac provided the best explanation as why artists fell so deeply in love
with mocha Java quote once coffee hits your system ideas quickly march into motion like the battalions of a great army end of quote this underscores a point I've been emphasizing throughout the plants of the gods podcast series that these substances are ideogens not just hallucinogens
ideogens they help create new ideas and concepts to repeat Balzac's quote since it is so fundamental once coffee hits your system ideas quickly march into motion like the battalions of a great army much of Balzac's prodigious output was
turbocharged by his coffee consumption according to some reports the Frenchman was downing 50 cups a day his death at the age of 51 might in some part be due to his coffee addiction after all one must wonder how the poor man ever got to sleep yet his countryman the philosopher Voltaire was
even more addicted and more prolific the author of over 20,000 letters 2000 books and pamphlets he was said to have consumed as many as 72 cups of coffee a day to understand why coffee had an even more profound impact in Europe than it did in
Middle East two topics merit a bit of discussion the first is potable water as the human species began to relinquish the hunter gatherer lifestyle people began to live together in greater numbers and in greater proximity than ever before with no understanding of hygiene or the germ theory of
disease once pristine water sources like streams rivers and lakes became ever more polluted if not just outright toxic and poisonous this at least partially explains why beer was invented at the same time in the same place as agriculture the fertile crescent of Mesopotamia about 8,000
years ago in what is now Iraq because the preparation of beer and later coffee involves boiled water microorganisms reduced or killed and because beer and wine were alcoholic microorganisms were reduced or eliminated hence beer wine and coffee were much safer to drink than water
prior to the advent of coffee in Europe and given the absence of the Islamic prohibition of alcohol many Europeans drank the equivalent of near beer all day long the result was a population which lived and worked in what was essentially a constant state of mild befuddlement the advent of coffee proved to be a revelation thanks to the caffeine coffee in moderation at least enhances alertness concentration cognition and productivity in the words of Anthony Wilde they quote exchanged a state of
permanent in abbreviation for a state of permanent caffeination I love that quote not only was coffee safe to drink but consumers could think more clearly and work better harder and longer hours the increasing availability of coffee and the growing number of coffee houses in which it was consumed and new ideas were proposed and debated has been hailed as quote a brain explosion none unlike what most certainly happened when our pre-human ancestors first consumed
magic mushrooms fermented fruits and coffee beans in east Africa as it been the case in the Muslim world coffee houses became wildly popular and proved to be a meeting of the minds and different classes and cultures with endless conversations literally fueled by a botanical stimulant
and now here the bios for all the guests my guest today doesn't really need an introduction but I'll lead into it this way and I'm going to keep my preamble short the world's greatest bodybuilder the world's highest paid movie star the leader of the world's sixth largest economy these are all the same person sounds like the set up to a joke but this is no joke this is Arnold Schwarzenegger and for those who don't know he is an Austrian born bodybuilder
actor businessman philanthropist bestselling author and politician he served as the 38th governor of California his new book be useful seven tools for life is at October 10th and his daily newsletter that's email newsletter pump club recently passed 500,000 subscribers and is growing quickly as
a positive corner of the internet Schwarzenegger has made his mission to give back since his time in the governor's house is been working heavily to combat climate change anti-Semitism ensure fair voting practices help youth work with veterans and inspire healthy living among other things now if you want in addition to all of that some footage of his incredible accuracy with killing flies his shepherding of various animals around the property including pigs
dogs you can go to my youtube channel it's youtube dot com slash Tim Ferris you can find him on social at Schwarzenegger that's on Twitter Instagram tiktok is at Arnold Schnitzel on YouTube Arnold Schwarzenegger the website for the book is be useful book dot com and newsletter is Arnold's
pump club dot com today we have a repeat guest and good lord that his last episode do well it did spectacularly well you guys loved it so back by popular demand is Morgan Housel can find him on Twitter at Morgan House will H O U S E L he is a partner at the collaborative fund his book the psychology of money which we really dug into in depth last time has sold more than three million copies and has been translated into 53 languages didn't even know there were that many
languages I'm kidding of course he is a two time winner of the best in business award from the society of American business editors and writers and winner of the New York Times Sydney award might be jealous I might be jealous in 2022 market watch named him one of the 50 most influential people in markets good friend to have he serves on the board of directors at Markel Morgan's new book is same as ever subtitle a guide to it never changes you can find my
first and as I mentioned before widely popular interview and very tactically dense interview with Morgan at Tim Dublog slash Morgan House will going meta very briefly for those who've not listened to the show this is a show about deconstructing world's class performers across many different
disciplines to tease out the habits routines frameworks etc that you can borrow and apply to your own lives and sometimes you find gems in the most unusual of places and today's guest maybe an example of that Apollo Robbins Apollo Robbins is often referred to as the gentleman thief
he first made national news when he pick pocketed the secret service while entertaining a former US president and we will get into that story Forbes has called Robbins quote an artful manipulator of awareness and quote and he's there it has written that quote he could steal the wallet of a man who
knew he was going to have his pocket picked and quote and that is an understatement a vast understatement and if you want to get an idea of what that looks like you can also check out the video that we took for this podcast on my YouTube channel at youtube.com slash Tim Ferris so listen to the audio but definitely also check out some of the visuals Robbins entertainment credentials include his film focus with well Smith and Margot Robbie along with appearances in
Brooklyn 9.9 and the TNT series leverage he was a producer and co-host for National Geographic's brain games which was nominated for an M.A. for outstanding informational series Robbins applied his expertise in magic and misdirection beyond entertainment pulling back the curtain to show how the
principles behind these illusions can enhance strategic thinking and decision making and we get into how much of what he is cultivated can transfer to other areas and that really at its course what this podcast is about to train you to see those hidden threads or those through lines his contributions to attention and perception research have been published in scientific American mind and nature reviews neuroscience is delivered lectures at Harvard Kennedy School
MIT Sloan School of Management and the Society of Neuroscience he has been profiled by the New Yorker which is an amazing profile and featured in the New York Times the Atlantic National Geographic and the Wall Street Journal among
others Robbins Ted Talk the art of misdirection is ranked in the 20 most watch Ted Talks of all time and has been hailed by the Ted editors as a revelation in the flaws of human perception you can find all things Apollo Robbins at Apollo Robbins dot com and you can find them on Twitter at Apollo
Robbins my guest today is Rich Paul which Paul is the CEO and founder of Clutch Sports Group the powerhouse agency representing some of the biggest athletes across major professional sports Paul founded Clutch Sports in 2012 in his hometown of Cleveland Ohio where he forged a unique and
personal approach to representing top NBA talent putting athletes first and empowering them to build careers and brands on and off the court and some of his numbers are just unbelievable and we get into stories from negotiations and
much more in this conversation in 2019 Clutch Sports partnered with United Talent Agency otherwise known as UTA Paul serves as UTA's head of sports and is an agency partner and he was appointed to UTA's board of directors in 2020 in 2019 Paul was also named GQ's power broker of the year and dubbed
the Kingmaker on the cover of sports illustrated in 2021 time recognized Clutch Sports on its first ever list of the time 100 most influential companies and variety recently named Paul to their variety 500 list of the most influential business leaders shaping the global media industry Paul is also
credited with driving the reversal of the so called rich Paul rule which would have banned agents without a college degree from representing NCAA student athletes 2021 Paul and three former Nike executives formed a company called adopt a creative agency focused on sport wellness nutrition tech and
other consumer facing products in 2022 Paul join the board of trustees of Lackima and the board of directors of funco and designer brands and this year in 2023 he joined the board of directors of live nation is also a minority partner of the spring Hill company his latest book is Lucky Me a memoir of changing the odds you can find him on Instagram at rich Paul and on Twitter at rich Paul for that is the number for my guest today has been in the works for a long time I'm thrilled to have him
and if I'm not mistaken this is his first long form podcast ever Guy La Libelte who is the founder of Cirque du Soleil one drop foundation and Lune Rouge if I'm pronouncing that correctly my apologies for the French which I do not speak he was named by time magazine is one of the most
influential personalities in the world and has been recognized as one of the most creative and innovative minds by Conte Nast an artist entrepreneur and philanthropist he is a three time winner of the Ernst and young entrepreneur of the year award which included world entrepreneur of the year he is a night of the national order of Quebec and an inductee of the Canadian business hall of fame he has been granted the insignia of the order of Canada the highest
in the country and in 2010 received his star on the Hollywood walk of fam guy now dedicates his time to his company Lune Rouge and his international nonprofit one drop foundation which aims to ensure sustainable access to
safe water sanitation and hygiene for communities everywhere through innovative partnerships creativity and the power of art this is a wild conversation full of a lot of unbelievable stories and we take a few minutes to warm up but definitely stick around there's a lot to learn there are many many
negotiation tactics philosophical tenets and more that you can pick up from this conversation you can find him on instagram at gie la liberté DJ and you can find his new projects which are brand new projects and they will
contain descriptions of some different projects that we allude to at the end of the conversation and that is frugues fr o o o g s dot com and you can get to the english with slash e n so frugues dot com slash e n this is going to be a slightly different episode this time around we have a
special edition featuring my friend doctor mark plotkin famed ethno botnist mark takes over my duties as host for this episode and shares an episode of his plants of the gods podcast but you are hearing it before anyone else you are hearing it before even his own podcast subscribers so this is a Tim
Ferris show exclusive but let's back up who is doctor mark plotkin mark you can find a bond line on twitter at doc deocie mark plotkin is an ethno botnist who serves as president of the amazon conservation team which is partnered roughly eighty tribes to map and improve management protection of roughly one hundred million acres of ancestral rain forests he is best known to the general public as the author of the book tales of a shaman's apprentice one
of the most popular books ever written about the rain forest his most recent book is the amazon what everyone needs to know and you can find my interview with mark where we dig into his history his mentors including Richard Evans shalties legendary Richard Evans shalties and so on at tim.blog slash
mark plotkin this episode however this tightly packed episode explores all things coffee which is the most widely consumed mind altering plant product in the world and it gets into all different aspects of coffee many of which I think will surprise you. Hey guys this is Tim again just one more thing before you take off and that is five bullet Friday.
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