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Episodes

Elevating The Voice Of Principals

Drew Perkins talks with NASSP Board President, Raquel Martinez, about her work as a principal and newly appointed organizational role. Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Sep 25, 2024•37 min

Does 'Equity' Undermine Science Education?

Drew Perkins talks with Cornell professor, Randy Wayne, about the Franklin Standards, an alternative meant to address shortcomings in the NGSS. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Aug 01, 2024•1 hr 21 min

Blocked But Still Discussing: Direct Instruction Or Inquiry With Anna Stokke

Drew Perkins talks with Anna Stokke about their prickly social media exchange and their thinking on direct instruction vs. inquiry teaching and learning. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Jul 22, 2024•1 hr 29 min

Helping Inquiring Minds Learn

Drew Perkins talks with Author, Erik Francis, about his new book, Inquiring Minds Want to Learn: Posing Good Questions to Promote Student Inquiry Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Jul 18, 2024•1 hr 11 min

Impactful Instructional Coaching With Jim Knight

Drew Perkins talks with Jim Knight, Founding Partner at the Instructional Coaching Group, about his work and approach to instructional coaching. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode.

Jul 10, 2024•41 min

Do The Science Of Learning And Inquiry Converge?

Drew Perkins talks with author and education professor, Carl Hendrick, about updates to his latest co-authored book and the nuances of the science of learning and inquiry. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Jul 02, 2024•1 hr 24 min

Talking Inquiry With Kath Murdoch

This episode is the archived audio of a May 25, 2024, ThoughtStretchers Education Community discussion event titled “A Journey Through the Landscape of Inquiry with Kath Murdoch” Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Jun 27, 2024•1 hr 11 min

How Should We Think About Antiracism In Education?

This episode is the archived audio of a May 23, 2024, ThoughtStretchers Education Community discussion event titled "Antiracism in Education: How should we think about race, racism, and antiracism in education?" Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Jun 19, 2024•1 hr 23 min

A Veteran Teacher Who Rejects Black And White Thinking

Drew Perkins talks with veteran teacher, Melinda Karshner, about her teaching and how she navigates the landscape of false binaries being pushed about the science of reading, science of learning, and culture war issues. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Jun 12, 2024•1 hr 12 min

A Conservative Vision For Improving Education

Drew Perkins talks with Rick Hess, Director of Education and the American Enterprise Institute, about his new co-authored book, Getting Education Right: A Conservative Vision for Improving Early Childhood, K–12, and College. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Jun 05, 2024•56 min

When A GOP Insider Realizes Moms For Liberty Claims Are False

Drew Perkins talks with Granbury, Texas school board member, Courtney Gore, and journalist, Jeremy Schwartz, about her experience with GOP efforts in her town to push their agenda at all costs. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

May 29, 2024•1 hr 17 min

School Desegregation In 1868? The Story Of Susie Clark

Drew Perkins talks with Joshalyn Hickey-Johnson, author of the children's book, Susie Clark: The Bravest Girl You’ve Ever Seen , a story about desegregating Iowa schools in 1868. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

May 22, 2024•59 min

Using Thinking Maps To Empower Project-Based Learning

Drew Perkins talks with David Hyerle, Founder of Thinking Foundation and CEO/Owner of Thinking Schools International, about the use of Thinking Maps to help learners in and outside of PBL. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

May 15, 2024•1 hr 10 min

Hard Questions About School Choice

Drew Perkins talks with Shaka Mitchell, a Senior Fellow with the American Federation for Children, about school choice issues and challenges, including recent legislation passed in Kentucky. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

May 08, 2024•1 hr 22 min

2024 Federal Education Budget Advocacy

Drew Perkins talks with NASSP CEO Ronn Nozoe about their advocacy efforts regarding the 2024 federal education budget. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

May 01, 2024•53 min

Community-Led Education, Overcoming The Culture Wars

This episode is the audio archive from a ThoughtStretchers Education Community discussion event from April 18, 2024, titled Catalyzing Community-Led Change: Overcoming the divisive and narrow politics of our time. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Apr 29, 2024•1 hr 13 min

A School Focused On Intellectual Virtues?

Drew Perkins talks with Jacquie Bryant, Founding Principal of a public middle school called Intellectual Virtues Academy. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Apr 24, 2024•1 hr 4 min

Sorting The Evidence For Direct Instruction And Inquiry

Drew Perkins talks with Dylan Wiliam about the evidence and support for different instructional approaches including direct instruction and inquiry-based learning. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Apr 17, 2024•1 hr 6 min

Is Higher Education A Bait And Switch?

Drew Perkins talks with Bill Coplin about his new book, The Path to Equity: Inclusion in the Kingdom of Liberal Arts , which calls for a shift in liberal arts education to a more practical and less academic approach. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Apr 10, 2024•1 hr 1 min

Reading Instruction, Evidence And Neuroscience

This episode features the archived audio from a March 27, 2024, ThoughtStretchers Education Community Event titled Reading Instruction: Evidence & Neuroscience. Drew Perkins talked with Dr. Karen Gazith, Christie Biggerstaff, and Sonya Thomas. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode...

Apr 03, 2024•1 hr 15 min

The Side Effects Of School

Drew Perkins hosted this ThoughtStretchers Education Community discussion on February 25th, 2024 with clinical psychologist, Naomi Fisher and the Executive Director of the Adolescent Flourishing Initiative at The University of Austin, Michael Strong. We discussed this question: "Does traditional schooling lead to poor mental health for students?" Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode...

Mar 27, 2024•1 hr 35 min

Inside The Teachers' Lounge Film

Drew Perkins talks with Ilker Çatak about his Oscar-nominated film, The Teachers' Lounge, about schools as a microcosm of society and of ourselves. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Mar 20, 2024•49 min

Understanding Antiracist School Leadership

Drew Perkins talks with author and educator, Daman Harris, about his work and book, The Antiracist School Leader. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Mar 13, 2024•1 hr 15 min

DEI in K12 Education

The ThoughtStretchers Education Podcast: DEI in K12 Education Drew Perkins talks with Yunga Webb, Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion at North Country School, about DEI and their unique school approach. Click To View Links & Resources Mentioned In This Episode

Mar 06, 2024•45 min

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