US Open Day 9 - Awesome Osaka sends Gauff back to drawing board

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Hello and welcome to the Tennis Podcast coming to you from Flushing Meadows, New York on day nine of the US Open. It is 5.30 in the evening. It is Labor Day. The sun is shining. The crowds are buzzing. are flowing and we are absolutely thrilled to be joined for part one of today's show by the one and only the incomparable the woman with an Aperol spritz in hand appropriately for the the last days of summer it is

of course, Mary Carrillo. I just came on, honestly, because David picked Naomi Osaka to win, correct? Correct. I just needed to see the grin on his face. Look at that sinister laughter. Yeah, I've been practicing my, somebody showed me a picture of Leonardo DiCaprio in one of his film roles being very smug and showed me that that is how you do it. So I'm very much trying to replicate that at the moment. Oh boy.

David is so invigorated by Osaka's form that he's learned what a GIF is and he's started recreating them. By the way, in that press conference, whatever that is that Naomi pulled out of her... keister, whatever. I don't even know the name of it and I refuse to know. I do not want to know what those things are. Is that a... Le Boo Boo's are the Frankie the Cat of the 2025 US Open.

I'm calling it. They're really... Von Droschever's cat from two years ago. Look, I think Le Boubou's are a... It's a Gen Z thing, isn't it? I feel like... They're big. It's not for me. It makes me feel a bit...

tired as well, but people are loving it. All right, fair enough. Let's start, obviously, with Naomi Osaka's defeat of Coco Golf 6-3. 6-2, a dissection from Naomi Osaka of an already diced up game from Coco Goff, let's face it. Mary, you commentated on this from the booth. We all watched it from various different spots. How similar or different or anything was this match to what you were expecting it?

to be i honestly i thought it was going to go like this because because of osaka's form and because of coco's form um you know coco's I felt badly for her, not terrible for her, because she did serve better. But the fact that she won a major just a couple of months ago, and now she kind of feels like she's got to get her game down to the studs.

I'm kind of thinking, like, what took her so long? You know what I mean? I'm not saying that she's not doing well enough. Because, of course, she's doing great and she's a nice kid. But you can't have those grips. Those are, like, you just... They're sort of criminal grips. And for her to, I mean, obviously she can win on clay and she can win on hard when she's competent. But when she's lacking that...

She's got nowhere to go and I was lucky enough. I called the match with Lindsay Davenport beside me and she said right away that Thomas Witkarowski was going to give. Osaka has so much clarity. The guy's a great tactician. I can tell when Lindsay thinks highly of coaches and when she doesn't. Because we'll show a picture of some coach and she just kind of rolls her eyes. It's awesome.

won't say and she won't even say the guy's name but she jumped in on Tomas Witkarowski and and again that Osaka could play with so much clarity and Coco doesn't have that right now that's kind of what I expected She said, Naomi Osaka, I played smart today. She said, it was very easy for me to know what I have to do. Yeah. And that was what we saw out there, wasn't it? Osaka.

executed exceptionally but it was extremely clear to see what she had to do david yeah that was a game plan she broke the forehand down she was relentlessly targeting that side and she has the ability she was hitting the ball crisply from the first ball was Osaka and you could hear it when it when you're watching I was watching your coverage actually Mary and Catherine and Matt were in the stadium

and she has that ability even from a central position with the backhand to hit it inside out and target that forehand and then occasionally she would just suddenly spread the play and go the other side and you could see that Goff was leaning.

the wrong way because she's so used to having to hit forehands and i mean some of them were she didn't really seem to know what was coming off the strings from one minute to the next on that side some of them hit the middle of the net some of them hit the back fence some of them were good but You can't play like that, not sustainably. No, and look, frankly, the backhand was poor today as well from Goff. That's a shot that's always there, and yet...

That went missing today. That was a real shock to me, particularly given what Mary said. If you'd told me that Gough would serve like she did today, I would have actually felt... quite likely that this would have been a closer match. I really didn't see the ground strokes being as bad as they were today. And I know that it was easier for her to make them look better against Magdalena Freck without the pace.

But I thought that she would at least be able to rally a little more with Osaka than she was today. Yeah, it felt like a bit of a regression, to be honest, whereas each match so far in the tournament had felt like she was just clearly nowhere near where she needed to be to, you know, bring her best level and win this thing. But I just thought she was...

progressing a little bit and it kind of went away today which was sad to see because I was hyped for this match. I was sat next to Pam Shriver earlier and she described it as a first namer. in that you refer to Coco and Naomi and you know who they are. It had like this stardom to it, this match. And it...

It just fell a little bit flat, really. And I'm sure we're going to get into talking about Osaka and her prospects and David's prediction. I would suggest we do, yeah. And we're all high on that. And I think the point about Rick Karofsky is interesting because... Think of what he did with Sviontek's game. He actually streamlined it. And I think in time that ended up working against Sviontek because Sviontek is someone who's got...

You know great movement so many so many other things than just hitting big ground strokes But with Osaka it feels like that movement's there, the ground strokes are locked in and she's got such a clear game plan and she's executing it right now. So I'm happy from an Osaka perspective, I really, really am, but I did find the goth vibes.

tough today. And we were in the press conference when Osaka said that Witkarowski has explained to her that she doesn't have to play pants on fire tennis. You know, she moves well enough now to play rallies and to trust in those. That to me, that's a huge game changer because you never knew what you were going to get with Naomi at times. Yeah, she's not looking to pull the trigger all the time. The rally tolerance today was...

incredibly, incredibly good from Osaka. Yeah she had a wonderful expression. silent confidence in terms of how how she trusts her movement to be in the right place and then she can pick the right shot and not overplay it's you know it is like a saga of

Five, six years ago when she was winning her majors. That was a quality she had then as well. And yet, from Coco Gauff, eight winners to 33. unforced errors. She couldn't get anywhere near the Osaka serve. Osaka did not have a great serving day. She served 42% first serves and Goff won six receiving points.

So I guess, I think Naomi Osaka played brilliantly today and I'm not high on Naomi Osaka. I really am. I'm excited about this. But I'm also looking at that goth, I'm trying to look at that goth performance objectively. I'm not sure anybody in the top 20 would have failed to beat Coco Gauff today. I can't believe I'm saying this about Coco Gauff. She looked emotionally flat.

yeah to me she looked like she didn't even have the juice in her to to not fight she was giving it every everything but you know i talk about coco goff dragging people into the trenches and leaning into playing a mess of a match she didn't have it in her to make it messy today and to

to give the crowd what they needed to create some mess themselves. Yeah, we were hoping for more mud. She even said flat in the press conference. She felt a bit flat. Where does flatness... come from do you think in her world right now what why is that happening

You know, it was interesting that she said after the French Open, she already knew that she wanted to make changes. Did that surprise you guys as well as it did me? I mean, obviously, Clay gives her time to set up her shots and to hit with those grips. and all that stuff. But I think, honestly, I think she is the captain of that whole squad, that whole team. I think she is more honest about her game than the people around her.

And she knows, you know, she knows that she has a lot to work on. She's a great player already, but she's got to deconstruct a lot of habits and a lot of strokes. And I think she knows, you know, she, you can't get orange juice out of an apple, okay? It's just not. Like, you've got to stop trying to act like you can. Is the apple here the forehand and service grip? Yes. And the orange juice is making forehands. My apple is split.

Yeah, you know what I mean? Is it like almost more of a surprise to you how well she's done with the grips than like a performance like this? Is this almost... Look, she is expected in some way. She's a great fighter and she's got a terrific attitude, all of that. But, I mean, there's part of me that's thinking, you know, should she be doing more? Should she have won more than two majors by now? I mean, she's so damn good in spite of some really flawed strokes. So I am just, I'm hoping to God.

that this new dude is going to straighten her out. Do you think too much pressure is being applied to poor old Gavin McMillan, who everyone in the world... knows what he looks like and knows what his name is now. I mean, I genuinely do wonder if the reason she didn't do this sooner is because he wasn't available. I mean, Coco Gauff has said... Right.

We did this now, this suboptimal week before the US Open timing is because Gavin became available and he's in such high demand. It felt like now or never and we have to snap him up. It's starting to sound like she's been... waiting for the the messiah figure that is Gavin McMillan and look he seems to be a very well-adjusted low-key kind of guy that backs his abilities and has the CV to support that but

It's a serious load of pressure on this guy and what he can do with that technique, right? Yeah. Like, are there other... Is he the only... How many expert biomechanics are there in the world? tell you what how rare is this that serve was looking the business today in parts wasn't it i mean she rolled through a couple of hundred and ten mile an hour service games and i thought okay well the serve's all right

And really, that's probably what kept it from being 6-1, 6-1. But yeah, I do find the acceptance from her... Absolutely fascinating. To win the French Open just a few months ago and to be in such a ditch of despair like this, I can't remember a turnaround like that with any...

Grand Slam champion where they've suddenly felt as low about their own game when they've just won a Grand Slam. Yeah, you win the French Open and you don't think that, you know, the boat needs rocking. But now the boat needs rocking, right? I guess what I love about Coco Goff is that she's down about the state of her own game within this tournament, but she's looking forward to doing the work. like she always is talking about ways to improve and she's talking about it.

long term as well she she compared where she was you know four years ago was the kind of time span she used and said if I can make a similar jump in the next four years as I've made in these four years like She didn't say this, but it was kind of like, what a player I'm going to be, right? And I just think you've got to... That's one of her superpowers, right? That she embraces that hard work. She relishes it.

I have to think that, okay, it strikes me that it's kind of hard to overhaul these strokes. I don't think she's ever going to have the best technique on the WTA Tour on the forehand, for example. But I have to think that with her attitude, she will get better than this. I admire the long game. I'm with you. I'm with you.

Maybe Coco Gauff takes it too much to the extreme and she's too hard on herself. And I think maybe that's something she recognises about herself. She tries to be kinder to herself, doesn't she? But is that... humility and that desperation to get better all the time no matter what the results is that what separates the the the greats the the really exceptional players from

From the rest, you know, we were talking about players who seem unable to truly take accountability for what's happening out there on the court the other night. I don't want poor old Denis Shapovalov to catch more strays from me than he already has. You know, think about how Daniel Medvedev was clinging on to his run to the Haller final despite all the other nonsense that was going on.

Taylor Fritz, bless him, thinking that his head-to-head against Novak Djokovic isn't important tomorrow. I kind of love all the delusion. But is it? I don't think Coco wants delusion. Well, exactly. I don't. I think she's tired. What's better? You know, people are... Look. She's a superstar. I'm crazy about her. I'm crazy about her. But she's got, like, she wins a French Open. She flies back home to do a whole bunch of media stuff and, you know, her clothing, whatever.

And then she came into Wimbledon totally cold. She hadn't prepared, you know. I wish she wasn't so famous. I think she... You know, I... What I like about her, I've never heard her truly lie. And she even said she was putting up a game face to us today in press. She admits it. She admits it. Of course she was.

Of course she was devastated that she couldn't post today. But that's why I think I like the idea that I wish she'd be more in charge of the team, more in charge of her schedule, more in charge of her training blocks. This training block she's taking is only a couple of weeks, right? Yeah, I asked her about that. What's the plan now? Do you feel like you need to step away from the tour to give this project the kickstart it needs with Gavin?

keep giving his name up in lights to ramp up the pressure on him. And she said, yeah, I'm taking a training block. But then she said, I've got until Beijing, which I was already signed up for. So actually, it's just the natural lull in the tennis calendar she's got.

I guess sort of a couple of weeks now before she'll have to start thinking about flying to Beijing. I mean, I suppose in the context of the tennis calendar, a week, two weeks is a long time. I don't know. It's not a long time. I'd love to have seen her. Say goodbye to 2025. But she also said, I don't care about anything that happens after the Grand Slam season's over. She said, I mean, you know, good luck to people.

promoting the WTA finals because Coco Dobbs couldn't give a toss whether she wins it. She said, I won it last year because I didn't care, basically. And the pressure was off. She said, I've said this every year from the end of the US Open to Australia, the only important... thing is improvement. That is music to my ears. Oh, that's what I'm saying. Look, there's a lot to like about her, but for me, that's number one. Just call it straight.

Let's talk about Naomi Osaka. Mary, I know you were very taken with her body language in today's match. I loved it. I loved it right away. Right away. I mean, there was even... There was some old lady with this big-ass bonnet on her head who was... doing the coin toss and she came out Naomi came out and she was already smiling and she looked very relaxed and then this little old lady Naomi

wanted to see who she was like she ducked underneath the bonnet to say hi to her she was a hundred years old no she was a hundred years old yeah oh my god yeah she was and she yeah she was and Right then I knew that she was in a great frame of mind. I mean, a happy warrior. She just wanted to be there. She felt good about it. She looked under the bonnet, just as she's looked under the hood of her own game.

What a ridiculous metaphor. Yeah, I like where she's going. I don't know why you knew, David, that Osaka was going to have this kind of a U.S. Open. And I'm a bit indignant that you did know. But I'm happy for you. So are these two. I'm not indignant. I'm jury's out. All right. Charming. She's just gone and beaten Coco and Gough. Jury's still out. Yeah, you said she'd win it.

True, yeah. I've saved myself from humiliation. Now I've not got to move on to the... Yes, I do think that hurdle has been cleared, which... There are three stages. There's save yourself from humiliation, then there's reply to the doubters, and then there's gloating. So it's like a rocket ship, you know, you just lose those various pieces of the ship. We're still in the Earth's atmosphere just.

I have been at every Osaka match this week and watching her body language has been one of the great fascinations because she is... very different depending on the match that's what i've seen and we saw it as well i referenced it to her in the press conference about the montreal final body language i know there was a lot going on there and the crowd were involved and but she she went from being a setup to being Really...

looking like she just couldn't handle this situation at all and looked terribly unhappy out there. And in the first couple of rounds, she kept talking about needing to have a good attitude. Those were her buzzwords, really. still be very hyper on herself, really up in terms of celebrating winners, really giving herself come-ons.

but also very hard on herself when she was missing. And then you could see her trying to process these misses and get over them. Today, there was none of that. The moment that... Koko Gough hit 210 mile an hour in returnable serves in the third game. Osaka just smiled. She smiled it up. Yeah, and you could see her features were relaxed.

all the way through the match. She just looked like somebody happy to be there, happy to have this stage again, and she was enjoying herself. I didn't see her coming back like this. I really didn't. And now, I mean, we've gone months without seeing Naomi's teeth, right? Like, she barely smiles at all. And now she's... I'm very happy for her. It's the labubus, Mary. What's that? It's the labubus. Don't even... I don't...

Stop that. I'm too old for the boo-boos. Me too. Thank you. As much as this run is a great advert for David...

David Law's predictive powers, do you know what it's not a great advert for? The services of Patrick Moratoglu. Yeah, well, I've referenced that a few times over the last year as well. She's so different. I know it's too binary to draw just total cause and effect between results and coach. I mean, everything just looks so different about her, that clarity. It was so muddy for so long for Naomi Osaka. Yeah, and I like how Naomi described Witkarowski.

Like he's actually a teddy bear. He looks... you know stern and you know he's a grown-up isn't he and it's not about him exactly he's not getting in the way he's not talking you know getting himself up in headlines saying there are no stars in women's tennis when he's coaching one of the biggest ones in the sport yeah he's just Quietly doing his job. Matt came in with a big Witkarowski, Marco Silva comparison earlier, which really is the highest praise he can give anyone.

This is the manager of my football team, Mary. And he followed, well, a bit of a Muppet, really, was our manager before him. So, you know, draw your own conclusions about what I was getting at. Naomi Osaka has Karolina Mukova next. You're Mookie, Mary. Mookie. I love the Mookster. I mean, one of the most stylish players, but again, I don't see her hurting. I'm trying to figure out where she might hurt Osaka, and I'm not feeling it. Mookie's so good, but she had to get...

treated for what looked like a back injury. I mean, she's perpetually injured, you know, and that's been such a tragedy for her career. I'm glad she's gotten this far. She's a pleasure to watch. What is she going to do against Osaka? I don't know what she can do. Where does she attack Osaka from? I don't know. It's interesting because she beat her last year, but it was a very different Osaka than this.

And she has reached two semi-finals. I think the big thing is how can you play your proper game when you're clearly physically as impeded as she is right now? I mean, there's a lot going on there. And physically impeded. And there's an accumulation every round. She's played three sets every round, you know, going right back to the first round against Venus Williams.

She's just been on court a lot. She's got 12 sets in her legs. I think we've kind of said it after every round, haven't we? We're expecting Mukova to hit the wall. And with every time that... she doesn't it becomes more likely that she will in the next one because i don't know i i think that game the coming you know her ability to come forward her ability to be so precise with her attack i think at her best she's a

She's a handful for anyone. But I do think that Osaka can take over that match with the way she's striking the ball right now and some of the... physical doubts that i think we'll have in a couple of days time over over mukova in the um in the on-court interview karolina mukova after her win over mata Kostiuk today on grandstand she was asked about she said you're the you're the queen of the the marathon matches you've gone three sets in all of them she was like

I would like to hand back that title, please. That's not what I want to be. Give me a quick, easy match, please. So everyone's backing Osaka to reach the semis. I am. I am. It's the... Look, it's the tournament of the Dormant Volcanoes. And she's, as we said the other week, she's been the most dormant and she is the most volcano. when she erupts so by the way Mukova another dormant volcano you know like not often around but when when she is she can

get into the latter stage of these majors. So there could be a lot of lava going on in this quarterfinals? So much. I like the idea of that. You don't even need to ask me. It'd be amazing if he went, no, I think. Just a change of heart. Igor Shiontek, incredibly comfortable today. 6-3, 6-1 in 64 minutes over Ekaterina.

It was so comfortable. She did the most damning thing possible to her opponent and she hit the practice court afterwards. That was very funny in the post-match interview on court because before she started speaking, she was sending somebody a text.

play to the interviewer he said um we're going to get onto the match but first of all who's you who are you sending the text to and she said i was just to my coach to go and book a practice court because i'm going to go straight out there oh boy please tell me her opponent had left the court I think so, fortunately. Yeah, she wasn't doing a Medvedev and just hanging around while Benjamin Bunsey.

Robbed it in her face. Yeah, I mean, she was awesome today, Shontek. Her first and only outing of the tournament on Armstrong, she awaits the winner of Amanda Anisimova and Beatrice Haddad. Meyer who play in the last match tonight so we'll talk about that in part two Matt. How are you feeling Matt? I'm feeling good and that's what makes me nervous. It's an opportunity, isn't it? They're not like me, Mary. I just assume it's all going to be fine. Yeah, just on...

On Sviantek today, I thought this could be a stressful match for her against Alexandrova with those flat hits. There was a real, to me anyway, obvious turning point in this match when... I mean, Alexandreva miss of the tournament to get broken in that first set for 4-3, literally on top of the net. And she just tried to just...

caressed the ball over the net and it went straight down into the net. It was a horrible miss. And she didn't recover for about 20 minutes. She was kind of sulky, kind of slumpy after that.

Svantec just took it and ran with it and just because it had been a bit of a tense start she did a couple of double faults Svantec in her first service game and got broken and they were even to three all but then from that point on Svantec was absolutely sublime in this match and yeah I think probably her best performance of the tournament actually just at the right time after you know a couple of trickier performances leading into this.

Let's talk about the men's matches we've seen today. Let's start with one you commentated on, Mary. Félix Auger-Aliassime. 7-6, 6-3, 6-4. Comprehensive over Andre Rublev. A man that he had lost seven of... 7-1. Eight previous meetings with. So he had overturned the head-to-head deficit against Zverev in the previous round and now he does it against Ryblev. Is that evidence of a new Felix?

I would love that to be true. I really would. I mean, I've always, he's just such a gentleman. I mean, he's a class above in those ways to a lot of the guys in that locker room. And I've always liked his game. Jim Currier did such a great... He explained so well why Felix Auger-Aliassime hasn't done what Jim thought he would do.

and it's off of the backhand he thinks he rolls the backhand too much and it becomes it's less a weapon than it should be um it just just on that i was listening to that and i was I was mouth agape, lapping in every... It was such a like... Gosh, someone's finally explained it. It was incredible analysis. He says there's just so much topspin on his backhand that he's unable to, just makes him unable to be aggressive in backhand.

backhand to backhand exchanges he can't hit down on the ball at all but it does make him when his backhand is able to come into its own when he's able to use width and angles and he's good with a target he's good at backhand passing shots but in terms of backhand to backhand exchanges it's just easy meet for for your top players that have a reliable backhand that can be a weapon when they need it because they just know they can sit into those rallies and Felix cannot hurt them.

The only thing I like more than sitting next to Jim Currier when there's a real match going on. is when we're sitting there watching a stinker. Because then he really goes off the rails. We love that too. We had a message from Hannah in the first set of this match. Let's just say this isn't a...

This wasn't a Hannah Wilkes coded tennis match. Okay. She wasn't into this one. The Rublev against Orgelia theme is just not her vibe. Okay. She's a mook of a gal. Different folks, different strokes. She says, she said. You know this matches everything you feared it would be when Carrillo's busting out the Boletieri impression in set one.

That is definitely the warning sign. But it did prove fertile ground for just a fantastic conversation and the picking of Jim Currier's brain. Yes, well, that's what I try to do. I mean, and I try to do it early in set. We don't get in the way of any kind of tension.

And he did the Rublev second serve as well. Exactly right. I mean, he's just so damn good. What's wrong with him? How have I not noticed that before? No, because he always middles. He always goes body. Every damn second serve. Every time. Jim Currier said pretty much on the second. Rublev service point of the match. Yeah, you said watch. Watch every single time it's going to go here. I stake my reputation on it.

And it did. Went to the same place every time. Yeah, I'm just crazy about Jim. I'm so lucky to work with him a lot. What I don't understand though, Mary, is when there's something that obvious, maybe not to me, but to obviously... people that know the game. Like, why isn't Rubber doing something about that? It'll be interesting to see what Marat Safin will bring to this party, right?

I have some slanderous answers speculating about what Maret Safin might be bringing to the party. Well, at one point Jim said that Maret, because I had mentioned that Rublev had said he doesn't talk much. But, you know, only when he really has something to say, he's a sensei. And I had to bring up the fact that, you know, Sensei Safin dropped his shorts in the middle of a match during a French Open. This is true. That did happen.

okay you know is this a different felix and what is different you know that's is is this just he's suddenly feeling a bit of confidence off a couple of wins and probably isn't that repeatable? Or has he found something? Has he found some missing link, I wonder? He was just so focused. It was such a nice, tight match from him. It was so contained. You know, he never got rattled.

um which is kind of he it's not like he has a huge weapon that he can throw down against people he's got to build points he's got to um clearly he's worked very hard to make his game

more solid, you know, more difficult to play against. And I don't know, I've always liked him so much as a man that I'm very happy that he seems to be putting in the work. He says, I've had to learn patience. I've had to... learned to be humble he's had some injuries that have really set him back a knee a back you know he's lost some valuable time and he must feel like players like Sinner and Alcarez have

stormed away from him because they do have so much more game. But if the game he has is held together well, I really hope he reaches the top of his game. Is that what you think? Yes, it is. I'm always impressed when someone backs up a big win. And that was a big win he had over Zverev. He could well have... He could well have got up for that match and then I really thought this could be a nervy affair with two players with a big opportunity in front of them.

To me, Urjelias didn't seem nervous at all. He seemed very focused. He's a grown-up. He's a grown-up. And there was a moment at the end of the first set where he had some set points and his forehand... Got away from him, you know, I think I think Jim was pretty Pretty much calling it a choke in commentary. That was an outright gag. Right. That's my man. My main man, Jim Curry. And look, part of it is...

He got another opportunity. Had he been playing a Sinner or an Alcaraz, you get one chance against them. That might have been it. But against Rublev, he got another chance. jumped on it and he and he started hitting his forehand a lot better again as this match went on and he overpowered Rublev I thought like the ease of Orgelia Sim's power today really struck me I was courtside for this one and Yeah, I was impressed with him. It did feel like what we always thought his game would be. Athletic.

contained in a way that it often doesn't look that way. He can often spray the ball, but he wasn't doing any of that today. He's a thoroughgoing professional, right? Totally. And again... Him against De Menor in the quarterfinals is another one of those big opportunity matches. For both of them? Yeah. I mean, this is the good news for both of them. They don't have to face either Sinner or Alcaraz, which makes it just...

So tantalising. Is this going to be about who deals with that size of opportunity the best? Good question. Because I remember the... Ogeli Asim-Diminor-Davis Cup match in the final of three years ago. you know Felix was flying high at that time. He was the best player in that tournament and it was clear that he was going into that final as the best player.

And Diminoy, you know what he's like. He's a warrior. He's happy to just throw himself to the dogs in order to try to win any points. But he couldn't cope. He couldn't cope with the power that day. And since then...

Felix has dropped like a stone, really, in terms of the ranking and his confidence. And Dimonor has just gradually built and become a better tennis player. I think that... Oji Aliasim... showed he had the blueprint he has the game to beat them and all I don't know but you know is it is he going to keep repeating this is the thing or is it just a couple of confident matches and then

Maybe he returns to the mean of what his game has been the last three years. I hope this becomes his base. Me too. You know? What do you think? Who do you think is going to win that? Dimon Orin or Gillesi? Who do I think will win? I'm going to give a slight edge to...

To feel it. Yeah. I would say the same. Mazzetti, the other winner that we've had so far today in the singles. Incredibly comfortable. 6-3, 6-love, 6-1. Continuing to... to fill the Jack Draper role at the 2025 US Open. I said everyone who plays Mazzetti falling apart in front of him. I just was chatting with the Spanish journalists. Muna has laryngitis. Oh, poor bloke. Like, poor bloke. But, like, again, what is going on with this Mazzetti draw? Like, I just...

I'm pleased for him. I'm thrilled he's in the quarterfinals. He's one of my favorite players to watch. And he said it in his post-match interview. He said, last month has been terrible. I've been sad about my games, sad about my results. But he was kind of joking about it. He's changed his serve. And he's in the quarterfinals. I still have no idea how he's playing.

And it might be even more extreme than Draper last year. I mean, Draper's carried on to the semis because he played Dimonor in the quarters who had that hip problem and really couldn't move very well. So that's my Mazzetti analysis. I think he's doing... He's intending to do really good things. I think his intentions are good. But they've not been tested yet. We know as much as he does. Right. And I'm usually so high on Musetti and I am pleased about this, but this draw.

It's a good ranking builder, isn't it? Great. It's going to get even better when he faces Alexander Bublik in the quarterfinals, isn't it? Well. How silly is that going to sound when people come back for part two? Mary, thank you so much for joining us. I love being with you guys. I'll let you sip.

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Welcome back to part two of tonight's tennis podcast recording at Flushing Meadows, New York. It is now 10.45 in the evening and all play is done for the day. And that's because we've seen two absolute blowouts on the arthritis. Oh, how you must have all been laughing at me when I suggested that Alexander Bublik had even the faintest chance against Yannick Sinner. Let's start there. Sinner defeating Bublik 6-1.

6161. What on earth happened to Alexander Bublik, David? Well, Catherine, I think I might have used the word ambushed last night. Well, somebody got ambushed. It's just that it was the other bloke. And I mean... I did couch it by saying if he played his best, then I thought that that could happen. He was so far from his best, Alexander Bublik, that it was unrecognisable from the player that we have seen.

played his best against Jack Draper, against Yannick Sinner, beating him on the grass earlier this year and in the previous round against Tommy Paul. And having been a player who had not dropped his serve all tournament. The first thing he did in the very first game of the match was to lose his serve. And Matt and I were sitting together at that time and we kind of looked at one another and thought, ah, OK, his serve's not working.

And nothing was working. He fought faulted. He was hitting drop shots. I think the first eight drop shots that he hit, he lost the point. he hit a double fault of underarm serves, one after another.

um in the first set and i think what actually happened i mean i think it's very easy to look at the score and think oh cinema must have been absolutely awesome all the way through and i definitely feel like public was trying to painted as that in the way that he kind of joshed with sinner at the net and did his little social media post of ai or whatever it was and and tried to make out like this guy's unbeatable of course i lost well actually

the first set, Sinner didn't really have much of a say in any of it. Bublik was absolutely awful and I think he came out cold for whatever reason, whether it was nerves or whether it was just one of those days. He was so bad, he couldn't do any of the things that he's famous for, and therefore... It was sort of fall of after 14 minutes. And thereafter, I think Sinner was so relaxed that he did start to play really well.

Public never got going. It's all straight from the Nick Kyrgios playbook, isn't it? If you don't try, you can't fail. And I'm not saying he was outright tanking tonight, but there was a... He... We're searching for the narrative of this guy's AI. That's a bailout. That is an absolute psychological bailout. This guy is just absolutely... too good. I think he has a...

a serious mental situation going on, which he can probably function pretty well with for the majority of his career. I think it's dormant unless he plays the very top guys that he thinks... Doesn't think he can beat fair and square. I think that's when it comes into play. I think most players he thinks he can beat fair and square. So he's happy to be himself and try. But he didn't.

My armchair psychoanalysis of tonight is he didn't think he and his game were enough to beat Yannick Sinner tonight, so he psychologically bailed out.

That's what it felt like to me. Well, I think it's fair enough. And given that we'll come on to talk about another player who was very heavily beaten tonight, who didn't stop trying from point one to point at the end. I think you see a very different approach to the sport. And look, you know, it's easy for me to sit here and say what he could and should have done.

It was really disappointing. And I'm sitting there in front of an absolutely packed crowd of people, 24,000 people who've paid top dollar to be there. And when he threw the... the underarm serves in, they booed. They let him off the hook after that because he hit one worldie when he was 6-1, 6-1 down, and he waved his hand as if to say, come on, give me some love, and they did. And they sort of cheered him off the court after he'd lost in an hour and 12 minutes.

OK. I mean, look, losing to Yannick Sinner is no disgrace. That's it. That's why it's an easy bailout option, though, isn't it? It's there. It's at your fingertips. I'd love to have seen him dig in, like really dig in and just think, OK. These shots aren't working. I'm going to do something. I'm just going to make the guy work or something. Is anyone in the world compiling stats on underarm serve double faults?

I'm sad to say I'm not sure even Matt Roberts has stats on underarm serve double faults, but I would love to declare that a first. Certainly the first I've heard of. Right. That's enough for me. We had a foot fault, double fault from Maxime Cressy, I believe. Iconic. Iconic in itself at the Australian Open a while back. but this is this is the first underarm serve double fault and I I'm please don't

I misinterpret my laughing at this as any kind of slight on the art of the underarm serve. I love nothing more. An underarm serve double fault is iconically bad. And quite funny. Yeah. And look, I said that public, I felt, was the... second most likely guy in this draw to beat Sinner. Look, let's not rewrite what we said about this. We did think that this was a genuine threat to Yannick Sinner tonight, given...

Bublik's top level. The flip side of that is he was definitely, he was also probably the most likely guy to get absolutely blown out. I think, I thought Sinner would win. I didn't think it would look like this. I thought there would be... At least a moment where Bublik rattled him and scared him and brought some of what he could to the match. But, you know, he lost his opening service game, as Davis described. He lost his next service game as well. And yeah, then...

then there wasn't really that much resistance from him. But I do think Sinner, from what I saw, played well tonight. And honestly, like, his... his draw now. Muzetti, Auger Aliasim and Dimonor are the players left in his half. All very, very good players. I really don't look at any of them as threats to Yannick Sinner. We know the head-to-head against De Menor. We saw him play Auger Aliasim just a few weeks ago. I know Auger Aliasim has been a lot better this tournament.

But even so, it's hard to believe that that would be that tough for Sinner. And then, you know, Mazzetti in the quarterfinals, his fellow Italian, just think he's going to be able to rush him. and kind of hit him off the court is my feeling. Our resident Mazzetti guy isn't doing a great job of hyping up for that match, which is a worry. So, like, this is... I guess what I'm saying is, like...

Not only has he won this match tonight, Yannick Sinner, but just feels like big picture has been a really good day for Sinner in terms of his draw and his prospects and his chances of getting to that final, which were high anyway. but just feel not a dead cert because nothing is, but almost as close to that as you could get right now, it feels like. Second match on Ash tonight, another... blowout quite frankly but as David hinted at quite a a different one in terms of feel just a

A total golfing class between Amanda Anisimova and Beatriz Hadadjmaier, but no golfing effort whatsoever. Six love, six three for Anisimova, who... Matt, we watched a period of this together and you said, she's feeling it tonight, Anna Samova. She was going for everything. And okay, she missed a few. There were some errors in there, but...

The type of errors she was making, I think, indicated how she was feeling about her game. Yeah, she was trying audacious shots because... the way she was hitting the ball tonight they had a chance of going in you know they weren't bailout shots they were she genuinely thought she could make them and but she just jumped all over had as my right from the start of this match. I said in part one, I felt like Anissimova was going to win. I think match-up-wise, the lefty...

Hadash Maia's serve and forehand into the Anissimova backhand is just great for Anissimova. The Hadash Maia's serve is a weak shot anyway, especially the second serve, and Anissimova can get on top of that. Anissa Mova is serving really well this tournament, I mentioned that the other day and she kept up her high percentage tonight. She was great and I think what I like most about the performance is she was up a set and a break, she got pegged back.

but that put her to work like she just immediately made sure that this match didn't get away from her it was fully in her control and she was also desperate for the double break she didn't she didn't get it at 4-2 but she was pushing for it And she knew that she needed to do that because Hadash Maia doesn't let Maxis go and always competes to the very end and had a lot of Brazilian support tonight. Like, it could have gone another way, but Anissa Movic just didn't let it.

these conditions cool night absolutely perfect for her i think and yeah definitely her best performance of the tournament her best ball striking day so far where you've just thought okay the game's clicking she's feeling confident best she's played all tournament There was a moment, I think, in the third game when Haddad Shumaya was serving. She'd already lost the serve. And it was very clear that Anisimova is on it, like you say. The ball is just pinging out the centre of the racket.

Both sides. That's the other thing. She can hurt you so much with both forehand and backhand. Forehand has got so much better. Yeah. But in the second Tadajmaja service game, I think she's loved 15 down, she did a first serve where she tried to... go down the middle and she missed the centre service line to the side by about eight feet it was just completely going in the wrong direction and I thought

Oh, she's, this is like Bublik. She's just completely frozen here. She can't, she's got no feel, no timing at all. And then she double faulted. And then she, it was just, it was a disaster. It was the, it was both things at the same time. Brilliant Anissimova, the worst version of her Najmaja. And then she won one point when she was about five love down.

and she just goes come on you know and she's really and it's not one of those where you think don't be ridiculous you know you're way behind she's trying to will her way back into this contest and she actually ended up making the second set games competitive and she held on and I thought I thought we were looking at a double bagel when it was six love one love I thought I don't think she wins a game here but fair play to her she just dug in

And I do wonder what would have happened if you stuck that attitude in public. But anyway, they're two different people, and I accept that. You probably don't get the heights of public if you have a completely different personality. I don't know.

but hadaj mair is is somebody i have enormous respect for but and this i'm over is somebody i have great excitement and anticipation for because she has bounced back from that Wimbledon I realized that that isn't a fully formed bounce back until she actually plays the woman she ended up on the other end of a six love six love from but

It's good going, this, isn't it? Well, the good news for her is she doesn't have to wait too long now to get the opportunity to fully bounce back because the Wimbledon final repeat is on. Matt, how are you feeling? Oh, the PTSD. No, look, I asked her about it at the start of the tournament. Do you want to play Igor Svantec? And she said yes. I don't necessarily think she knew her draw. I don't think she knew that that was on as early as this in the quarterfinals.

but it's here now and she said i want to play her when i'm like myself because there are definitely aspects of that match-up that i think are problematic for a Nisimova, the width that Sviyontek just naturally generates on her ground strokes is going to be a problem. It's a problem for better movers than a Nisimova, you know, it's world-class that of Sviyontek.

But I genuinely think there are parts of Anissimova's game that she just didn't bring to that Wimbledon final because of nerves and because of exhaustion and because of the moment. that can hurt Sviantek as well. The ball striking, Sviantek's not going to like that if Anissimova can bring it, if she can serve like she has done and if she can...

take advantage of maybe Svjontek not serving like she was earlier in the year, which generally hasn't been this tournament. All the reasons I was excited about Anissimova's chances going into the Wimbledon final. are still there. They've been a little bit dampened by what happened in that Wimbledon final, but... I do genuinely think she's a big threat here in a Samova. She has a good day. If she has a good day, it's going to be so much about the start.

I think. Yeah, if she goes three love down or something like that. And trauma starts flooding back to her and to you. Right. And look, maybe then the crowd can... carry her a little bit. She just needs to get over the Wimbledon experience. Win the toss, choose to serve, hold. Right, you're in the match. You're in credit. Boom. Everything from here is upside. She's not exhausted physically. Totally. It's a big difference. Big deal, that. She's expended very little energy. And she just had the...

biggest moment of her life, beating Sabalenko in that Wimbledon semi-final. That would have felt like a summit in itself. Right, so a very stressful route through to that. Wimbledon final in terms of three set matches and tight moments that you know she's not really had that this tournament she's going to do a lot better

I feel good about it. She hasn't got the whole Wimbledon final paraphernalia. Exactly. The silence, the stillness, the walk. You know, Iga Sviontek, who's won every Grandstand final she's played in. There was just so much that was intimidating about that. This is more like just another tennis match. It's a big one. And in front of a crowd, it'll be supporting a big time. It's exciting. And you'll be fit and well.

this time? Well, let's hope. I thought it was going to be last time. Last result to cover from today, the run of Venus Williams and Leila Fernandez continues.

Probably the match of the day in terms of, in fact, not probably, the match of the day in terms of the two main show courts today, this over on Armstrong, the final match of the day there, 6-3, 6-4. I mean, still not a thriller in itself, but the... It's a pretty low bar to clear to be the match of the day on Ash and Armstrong. The crowd just lapped this up. Absolutely lapped it up. Wonderful. It was the story of the grounds today. Everybody was talking about it.

and Venus Williams is saying that she is going to be on her sister's case to come. and be part of it all because she wants her here. She's got to get here tomorrow, not before four, I think, against Townsend and Sydney Archiva. Yeah, against the top seeds. It's a hell of a match. That's cool. Yeah, it really is cool. OK, that's it for part two. We'll be back in part three to look ahead to tomorrow. From working side by side, to working together, to working wonders.

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Welcome back to part three of tonight's tennis podcast. Let's look ahead to tomorrow, Tuesday, September 2nd, day 10 of this. US Open, the quarterfinal stage is upon us. We still start at 11.30 on Arthur Ashe Stadium with Jessica Pagula against Barbora Krejcikova. Predictions, please. I find this a really difficult one to predict. But Krzykova has just dashed the hopes of a couple of Americans and is so capable. I'm going to go Pagula. I think... I think...

critique of them might run out of gas a little bit this time. These have been hard-fought matches. Pegula's had things straightforwardly. She's relentless. and consistent and is going to be her best self, I think, with the crowd behind her. I think she'll enjoy that. I'm going to go Pagula. Matt. Finding this really hard because...

Pagula has just not played anyone in the class and calibre of Krejcikova on this run. She's had a very... kind draw and look she's done well because she's lost to those sorts of players at the slams this year that those have been the sorts of players to trip her up so it's a good run from Pagula and she's been really clinical in first sets and you know in her most recent match she was she was better in the second set as well but I I don't know I pause on like

Pagoula's playing brilliantly because we just haven't seen her against that standard of opponent. But I do agree with David on the cheek of her hitting the wall thing. I don't know how many matches, like the last two, she's got left in her, you know, where she has a slow, sluggish start and works her way in. I think... I guess I think Pagula's playing at a level that if she does start like that again, Krejcikova, Pagula might be able to put her away in a way that Townsend wasn't.

So, I think I'm leaning Pogulo as well, but mostly on reasons of potential Krejcikova exhaustion, all things being equal. tennis against tennis, I think I will be back in Krejcikova. Lehečka Alcaraz, second matchup. I think we're all going for an Alcaraz. Yeah, that one's easier. Victory. Yes. Yeah. Night session. I remember how boring their Queen's final was. I do. That's why I'm moving on quickly, Matt. Yeah.

It was turgid. It was the grass, right? Le Hetchkin... But Le Hetchkin loved... I think grass is his best surface. But it was boring because of the grass and, like, the way they were serving and there were just a few chances. Yuri Le Hetchkin, you've made Kala Sarkras. boring he did i remember having a real moment during that thinking oh god like please don't ruin our caraz well that's a good

Good hype job for tomorrow. I do think it's different on grass. I think so. I actually think tomorrow will be a good match, like a good... The good rallies. He's got a win over him on hardcore. Yeah. Beat him in Doha, I want to say. Yes, I think so. And I saw highlights of that in the run-up to that Queen's match. And it was one of those where Alcaraz was pulling rabbits out of...

in order to win amazing points, but he wasn't winning the run of the mill stuff. That's where he's... That's what he's doing so well. He's doing more now. Yeah. But I think... I think Le Hitchcock will give a good account of himself, but I just feel more confident in Alcaraz's state of mind and approach and solidity than I ever have.

Yeah, I think it'll be him. The predictions don't get any easier here because night session starts with Irina Sabalenka against Marketa Vondrosheva. I'm going to ask for a Vondrosheva prediction from you both. Not allowed. The phases these two are making. I make the rules here. I want a prediction. I'm going Sabalenka as well. I'll go Sabalenka in three. Yeah, I like that. I do just have a lot of faith in Sabalenka, in these matches, in this sort of time, in a slam.

She's got that really good record against Vondrosseva on hard courts. I think that was such a good performance from Vondrosseva against Rabatkinner, like seeing that again. She's capable, but I guess I would be a bit surprised if she plays as well again. And Sabalenka's got her tie-break record. You know, like, Vondroshofer's probably going to have to do it.

not with tie breaks, and maybe that feels difficult. Yeah, I'm going Sabalenka, but I'm really looking forward to that one. That's the match I'm most looking forward to tomorrow. Last match of the day, Tamari Djokovic against Fritz.

I think everyone's going Djokovic. I would like sets, please. I'm also going four close, tight, hard-fought sets for Novak Djokovic. I do think... that Fritz, if he could just turn an extra one of those sets in his favour and take it long, I think he might be able to wear Djokovic down and maybe...

even impose an injury or something like that I know that sounds horrible but that has been happening more and more to Djokovic but ultimately I think Djokovic will probably just play those bigger points the better of the two and end up winning it in four

Okay, well, we'll be back with the tennis podcast at the end of... all of it. I will say hello to our mascots Maisie, Phoebe and Roger. Hello to our top folks and executive producers Greg and Jeff and Chris. Who we saw today. Yeah, lovely Chris. Popped up on our row in the media centre. What a delight. Yeah, that was great. And we're going to catch up later in the week as well. Yeah, Matt's going to share views about...

Draws. Try and be an influencer. We love you, Chris. Thank you very much for your support. We are, of course, part of the Athletic Podcast Network. Matt, let's have some shout-outs. We start with Adam Maundrell in Sydney. All right, Adam. Hello, Adam. Adam says, I've been listening since 2018. My first episode was Matt's Hatchinov takes. Oh, big.

Wow. Which is wild to me. Adam, you were there at the start of an era. Wow. Adam says, I love the pod and lurking on the barge. Just has Wimbledon to go to complete his... Fan career golden slam. So must have been to an Olympics. Adam. Like Adam Hogg, the ATP finals tournament director. There you go.

Are there no tennis-playing Adams? I can't think of any. We've had this before. Have we? Is Adam a perpetual black spot? I've got a name in mind. Pavlaszek? Yes, Adam Pavlaszek. Adam Pavlaszek. Check. Yeah, very well done. I love the way you're saying that, Catherine. It's like, oh, yeah, Alan Pavlicek. Pavlicek and Hogg, the big two. And this one, the big three. Adam from Sydney, Adam Hogg, Adam Pavliszek, the big three. Correct. Thank you, Adam.

And next up, we have two birthday shoutouts. Oh, lovely. The first one is from Emma Gillette for her husband, Sam. Aw. Splendid work, Emma. It was Sam who introduced Emma to the pod.

during covid well done sam she thought it'd be lovely to give him a us open shout out for his birthday on september 1st which is today as we're recording happy birthday sam happy birthday sam yeah you're probably listening to this on september 2nd but i promise you as we are speaking it is your birthday september 1st and we are wishing you a very

Happy one. That's a lovely birthday thing to do. Yeah, and Sam likes Sam Quarry. Yeah, we've seen a lot of Sam Quarry this tournament. We have, yeah. Heard him commentating today. And our second birthday shout-out is for Jeff McAvoy. And Jeff's birthday is the 2nd of September. So, presumably, hopefully... When he's listening to this. Happy birthday, Jeff. Happy birthday, Jeff. And this comes from Jeff's partner, Ricky. Good work, Ricky. Ricky says...

My name is Ricky and this is a birthday shout out from my partner, Jeff, who stumbled across the tennis podcast earlier this year and suddenly introduced us to a whole new pastime we did not know we craved so much. though not playing tennis often jeff is an avid tennis fan it's not unusual to find him consulting the latest

score updates, planning the next tournament escapade, or hiding away from the TV when his favourite player, Yannick Sinner, loses more than two points in a row. So not much hiding tonight. Not much hiding at all. Wow, brilliant night. Thank you for bringing so much fun into our week. We hope to be able to see one of your live shows and we look forward to seeing blonde Matt soon. Don't we all?

Happy birthday, Geoff. Geoff, we hope to deliver the ultimate birthday present come Saturday. What would I rather, though? Would I rather Osaka win it and I get all the credits, or would I rather Matt go blonde? Ah, the choices! They're both good outcomes. Both. We are so up. We are so, so up. Folks, thank you ever so much for listening. Jeff, Adam, and who am I missing? Sam. Sam. Courtesy of Emma.

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