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how you doing on this fine October Monday. I'm fine thanks. Didn't like the clocks going back, getting dark in the evenings, didn't like getting a cold and and have been moaning for about the last four days. But I'm coming out of it now and I'm going to try to put behind myself the fact that my beloved Seahawks lost to Matt's horrible bills last night and being adult about things. That's why we keep you around David, the resident, the resident grown up. Matt's Robert is here. Can I
have a year for Matt Roberts in case it's not clear? That was an usher joke that I've been workshopping all weekend. Matt. See what you did there? Yes. I was a groomsman at a lovely wedding on Saturday. I feel like I might be in my going to wedding era. It might have just begun. I hope they're all as nice as this. Bottle up Matt. At a great time. I completely agreed that the clocks going back is an absolutely terrible thing but it was quite handy on that
Saturday evening to get an extra hours sleep after the wedding. I felt like it helped my recovery. But we allowed to disclose who's who's wedding it was and the tenuous tennis connection of said groom. Yes. Very, very, very keen tennis podcast listeners will probably recall my mate Andy who I described last year at the Davis Cup as being better at tennis than Finland's Patrick Calcavalta. Big year for Andy. Big 12 months for Matt's mate Andy. Congratulations, Andy.
By the way, let's talk about other tennis shall we away from Matt's mate Andy and let's start in Vienna with the 80p 500 event won by Britain's Jack Draper. The biggest title if his career to add to the 250 that he won in Stuttgart on grass earlier in the summer. He beat Karen Hationov in the final who himself was on an eight match winning streak 6, 4, 7, 5
and it was not a straightforward a final as that makes it sound. For a long time it was, it was a totally dominant, very impressive performance by Jack Draper and then suddenly it became a completely different match and I think Jack Draper did remarkably well to get over the line here and get over the line in straight sets. The wheels could have come off quite spectacularly for Draper and I
thought this was huge for him David. Yeah and to give you an idea of just how straight forward it appeared to be going I actually left the house with him comfortably in charge thinking oh this has not got anything left in it and I mean he was frankly superb you know early on he was absolutely run and for the first set and half and just totally dominating one of the players
that has just been excellent for the last couple of weeks. You know Karen Hationov's won a title he's been beating everybody pretty comfortably, stands toe to toe with Jack Draper and quite honestly Draper just bullied him just out muscleed him I think the leftiness is useful for him and he's
sort of figuring out how to use that more and more each time he plays so much of it is about whether he stays fit physically and also now I think maybe something that we've always known but really only surfaced in a way that was alarming at the US Open whether he can handle the
anxiety of the moment and the occasion and it read itself a couple of times throughout this tournament where where you just saw him having treatment or attention from a trainer and just seems to be struggling with it again and yet he still won the title and I thought the moment of victory
where he collapses on his back and now I didn't see the moment he kind of righted it and got it all back on track so you guys will have to help me with that but I saw match point and I saw this this relief in him and who knows that may end up being a massive moment for him in his career
in terms of kind of getting to grips with with the moment and I don't think it is just to sort of clicker the fingers and oh I've cracked it now it's going to be an ongoing thing because he's going to be put in all sorts of trouble in five set matches at Grand Slam's against frankly better players than Kahn Hatchinov and he's going to have to figure out a way to handle those moments too
but this is a big one. They were dressed in very similar kits weren't they I think Jack Draper is just edged Hatchinov's for ugliness but they were dressed in very similar kits and they have apart from draper's obvious leftiness they games aren't that dissimilar and I don't know whether this is just really crude basic analysis but it looked to me like Jack Draper was kind of Karen Hatchinov 2.0
really Matt. Yeah I think Draper is probably able to sort of back up his first serve I think a lot more impressively than Hatchinov I think Draper really is right at the top there in terms of the top sort of best players in the world this year in terms of backing up that first serve which is something that I don't think Hatchinov does anywhere near as well. And by that do you mean the first shot after the first serve the kind of meet and potatoes serve bang put away
kind of template point. Yeah and just generally sort of percentage points one after the first serve draper has done that so well this year and yeah I was kind of left with a couple of big questions about Jack Draper after that US Open Run which you know was obviously a great moment for
him in his career but I think anyone who watched it was was probably left with these questions you know and the first one David has really touched on there in terms of how his physicality and his nerves are kind of intertwined and they do affect him in big matches and I think it's it's tough for
that to really be tested in a week like Vienna because I think the best of five thing is huge for that I think the extreme heat and physical conditions that you sometimes get in Australia and New York is big for that you know it's very different indoors in Vienna but there were some
nerves in the in the final there and that they read their head when he went from fall up to to behind in that second set but he composed himself so that was like a little test past I think but also just this was the best tennis I've seen Draper play since the Gras Court season I thought
he was much more impressive level wise in Vienna than he was at any point during the US Open I just think he was playing better I think his opponents were testing him more you know Mazzetti was in great form and that was a really high quality semi-final but Draper was awesome in it and
I think I was reminded of how good he was in that Gras Court season way one is tired to be Al Qures at Queens and he was dominant and kind of to go back to your Draper hatching of analysis I rarely think of hatching of as dominant and just sort of stamping his authority on really really
good players and I think Draper was was doing that and I hadn't seen him do that since the Gras Court season and yeah he also I watched him against Thomas Mahaksh and he had some great variety there it was using the drop shot really well it was causing Mahaksh so many problems with that which
felt like another little string to his bow so just level wise I was way more impressed with Draper this week than I had been even on that US Open run and what is he now up to I think 15 in the world whereas this time last year he was around about a hundred playing challenges wasn't even in
Paris at the end of the year it's been an exceptional year for him and nice for him to sort of cap it with with the biggest title so far yeah 15 in the world with with room to grow as well because I don't feel like he's got loads to defend in the first third of next season necessarily
yeah I agree I was more impressed with anything I saw last week than at the US Open and you know it was a weird one the US Open we talked about you in particular Matt talked about it throughout you you can only beat the players in front of you but like the players in front of Draper at the US
Open it was a you know it was a it was a slightly weird run wasn't it that ended in very fittingly weird puke circus dances yeah I mean the way that there was a he was so nervous towards the latter stages wasn't he had been fall-over suddenly finds himself serving to stay in the set and it's all
getting really nervy and his David's pointed to you know the the emotional side of the sport for Jack Draper is going to be he's going to take some managing over over the course of his career and you could really feel his nerves and there was a pretty easy volley that he that he missed
serving serving for the match and you know it's a classic example of the touch being the first thing to go when you're when you're nervous in your arm feels like lead and then he finally halls himself to match point and there he is serving volleying and having to to put away not a
difficult volley but probably a harder one than he had missed earlier in the game and I just thought wow you know that is that is proper bravery and confidence you know confidence and conviction that he has earned over the course of over the course of this year and yeah I'm very excited
for Jack Draper and what he can achieve in in 2025 absolutely and I just want to give a little little shout out to Johnny Beinding who was in who was in Jack Draper's box this week he's he's someone who I who I was at university with he he was obviously much better at tennis than me
and I ended up interviewing him while I was at university and he he ran the Saturday morning development squad at Durham that I was part of me and my roommate were part of the Saturday morning development squad and shockingly we used to rarely go due to being tired on the Saturday
morning and it being freezing cold in Durham and I was watching this thinking I definitely should have gone to that squad more and got some proper coaching from Johnny Beinding who's now sat in Jack Draper's box and there I think in as a physio and probably a hitting partner who's a great
player who's a lefty as well yeah just a just a nice little connection to see him I think he'd be a great presence in someone's box lovely lovely guy so he is now responsible for the development at least partially of both Matt Roberts and Jack Draper what a CV that man is developing
he also beat the best player in the world I'm reaching that final did Jack Draper cana chicory you think it sound like cana chicory is the best player in the world there it's going to say there's a comma in there throwing in a boat throwing in a boat beat Lorenzo Mousetti
and Mousetti it just prior to that got a really impressive win over over Alexander's Vera of Hadehney I asked you a question shortly after that was Vera of defeat David now full disclosure this question was as a result of me being on Twitter and seeing somebody somebody post that video
that epic epic video from the French Open Final of it's very thinking you'd want a point and Alcara's putting away the most improbable touch shot and the epic camera work that then ensued of Alcara's apologising I'm not quite sure did it clip the net not quite sure what he's
apologising for he's yeah it just brushes over the top of the net it apologises with this hand but as Vera turns his back the apology becomes a fist pump and you see he's where I was despairing face and then you see the trophy come into focus in the background it is truly cinema and will be
one of my enduring memories of of 2024 and and people on the internet do not need a reason to be posting that video any opportunity in posting it but I did you know the caption along with this post was did did the French Open break Alexander's Vera you know and I thought about it and I thought
well I know that's kind of a facetious funny comment but actually he hasn't been the same since has he and I know that's partly because Clay is his most preferred surface you might expect his his best results of the season to come up to and including the Clay Cook season but he is a
former US Open finalist I know David he's he's had pneumonia recently hasn't he but but even so is there a chance that he won't ever be quite the same again after that French Open Final I pondered this when you put it because I thought it was a really interesting point and
because my my knee jerk reaction was no that that that that that he's going to be like I don't think he's going to be affected by that French Open long term because I don't think he's become a worse player and I think he will continue to to rebound I mean he is one of those guys he just
keeps coming back for more and he does seem to stomach these disappointments and then come again and reach his level but what I do think is that he by losing that match he has missed an opportunity and I know he talks about all the Grand Slam finals I've lost are because of you meaning on
piles or battle I can all this so he weighs only reach two right he may only ever reach two and this is what this was one of them and he was bloody close to winning it winning it and he didn't so first of all he's missed out on one of the two opportunities he's had and he and there's no
guarantee that he gets another one he has accumulated another bit of mental scar tissue in that defeat now and that's twice he will think I should have won a Grand Slam title and I didn't but actually I think the more important thing now when you look at his age and particularly in this week
look at who won these titles look at who was contending for these titles Jack Draper who's five years younger than Alexander's Verif and who's getting better you know his Verif was beaten by Lorenza Misede who I really didn't think would would trouble him indoors it's six two first set for
his Verif but you know he tapped into something Misede is a he's a he's a flashy player and all the rest of it and he got the better of him good for him and I would back Misede on certain stages and I tell you that those two on play would be a fascinating match at the French Open I think
in the future but look at you know we'll come on to talk about Basel won by Giovanni and Pesci Pericà who who was born two days after Roger Federer won his first winbler that I was noting yeah he's that young and he beats Ben Shelton in the final who's another young guy with a massive game and
Ben Shelton beat Arthur Fees in the semi final who's beaten his Verif this year and who has a huge game and he's getting better all the time these are the guys that's Verif has now got to contend with in addition to Janic's sinner and Carlos Sarkras and still the the the last whatever we've got left
of Novac Jockewicz I don't think that Alexander's Verif is going to get any better than he is right now I think he can continue to produce that level and be a good player but that level I mean the top level was what we saw at the French Open and that's when the service going in 80% of the time
other times it's a lot lower and he hasn't been that good since as he but hardly surprising with pneumonia with this sheer amount he plays he plays a ridiculous amount of tennis too much tennis in my view that's up to him I just think this the pack has come out this year and he's growing and
he's going to get swallowed up by it so I don't think in its isolation that match has damaged him and his ability to play on its own but but I do think it was his big one of his two big chances and I don't seem getting him anymore also I think that's a really interesting point about
clay and hard core I hadn't really processed this but I've just looked at this very as record he reached nine finals on a hard core in 2020 in 2021 across those two years and you know some big ones in there US Open Cincinnati won the Tokyo Olympics he won the Tour Finals he was consistently
winning and contending at the biggest hard core tournaments since then so you know sort of post big injury he's barely making finals of hard courts since since the end of 2021 season he's reached the final of Montpellier and the final of Chengdu on a hard core and that's it you know he
is not contending on the surface that is kind of the main surface of the tour and that half of the Grand Slams are played on and we know he doesn't really like the grass all that much so that kind of does just leave the French Open where you know he has been a threat and he's been
he's been consistently good there over over the last few years but yeah like so you've got this you've got this game that isn't sort of that effective on on the hard courts as it as it used to be combined with what David's saying there this this sort of groundswell of younger players now and
it wasn't just Veriv as David said who sort of fell victim to those this week you know sits a pass lost to feasts, Rubel Airbloss to Shelton you know that Oji Aliah Seam lost to Impeshi Pagikar that entire generation of players that sort of came through in sort of 2018-2019 were beaten and
pushed out this week by the by the younger guys so I think I think Veriv is sort of the leader of of kind of that that pack of players from five or six years ago but he's he's struggling now against these younger ones too and it does feel like the dynamic of the of the tour has changed
just a little bit and it's one of the reasons why I'm not that excited about Turin because the the really exciting players have have not quite made Turin you know all these players were talking about their feasts and Shelton and Mazzetti and Draper they're all in that sort of 10 to 20
range whereas Rubel Airbloss and Rud and Zvaryev feel like they're probably all going to qualify for Turin and yet that have done so because of like the first half of the season whereas it doesn't really feel like they're they're the big threats at the moment so you know give me Alkaraz Sina in Inche Rin and I'll be very excited but the rest of it is leaving me a little bit cold at the moment
the field. I feel the same and I think that's really hit the nail on the head in terms of why why I'm feeling that way about Turin interestingly still full qualification spots up for grabs going into Paris this week and potentially five because I think there's a good chance that know that
Jocovic isn't going to play Turin so that's that's very interesting indeed Giovanni and Pesci Pericare David and Matt at the champion in Basel 21 years old he was ranked outside the world's top 200 at the start of this year he's now up to 31 in the world off the back of this victory will likely
be seeded at the Australian open at this rate that is a heck of a rise I don't think I'd heard of him before this year maybe I'd seen him in a juniors draw maybe I knew his name as a junior but certainly in terms of senior Tennessee was not on my radar at all and Tiri is winning a 500 level
title David yeah and doing it in quite chasinging style for the rest of the field they did not know what to do with him I mean the the guys that he beat Felix Ojalea seem and Dennis Shapavall of another one from that that generation that just feels like yesterday's news when a guy like this
comes along Holgeruna and then he he goes and beats Ben Shelton in the final and he's honestly he's playing 90s indoor tennis this guy it's like watching Goran Ivanizovitch and Michael Stick and Boris Becker you know just smashing these serves Dan Pete Sampress and I mean it's pretty
boring really in terms of watching watching them try to return the serve they can't get the thing back indoors I don't it's going to be interesting to see how how it gets along in Australia when you've got conditions to consider but he's six for eight he's a whole king guy he's just smacking this
thing down and then he's got quite flashy ground stroke so that suddenly he can come up with a winner out of nothing and get the one breaking eads or win the one point in the tie breaking eads and you're done you know he seems really unflappable in these moments very sort of cool customer when
he was in the the trophy presentation afterwards and just the way he carries himself he's likeable I mean a lot of the other players seem to get on with him and there's there's a good vibe and and I I find him likeable but I kind of was like okay I've got it on and then I was focusing on it
when it got to the tie breaks because there wasn't an awful lot to happen and until them and that's not his fault good for him it's winning tennis but indoors that is a bit of a snooze yeah you need a lot of discipline and concentration I think to play him and Shelton just had a couple
of lapses he had a really had a really poor service game kind of to start the match that was the first set gone and then he missed the sitter of a volley in the in the second set tie break and and that was that tie break gone and that was kind of the difference but peshy peckard this week
kind of redefined the second serve like it was incredible what he was doing like we've seen a load of players hit huge first serves over the years and and be pretty much unstoppable behind that but he was unstoppable but unstoppable behind his second serve as well which this stat from
tennis TV his average second serve speed his average in the Basel final was 131 miles per hour which is 35 miles per hour faster than the tall average on second serve and it and it doesn't feel like a second first serve like he's not missing it it's safe for him to hit his second serve
at that speed and 63% of his serves in this final did not come back like Shelton is not a brilliant return only maybe he didn't apply a lot of pressure you know sometimes I think big big servers miss serves because you know not because of them but because of like the pressure that's being
applied to them down the other end of the court you know we've seen Jacović do that to players and Fedra with his chip return over the years like a Murray you know all these players but Shelton can't really do that yet but yeah he was redefining what a second serve was it was
absolutely extraordinary and Shelton sort of joked that he almost killed himself trying to get trying to get him peshy peckard serve back there was there was a sequence of two points at one at one stage where Shelton did get his racket on a serve and hit it for a clean winner on return
and then peshy peckard just body served him at 140 miles an hour on the next one and it was like gone and take that hit that one for a winner it was unbelievable over over a hundred aces in the tournament 22 in the final and yeah as David said he is a problem for like especially in those
conditions I think you know we saw him have a run at Wimbledon as well on the grass he won a title on the clay earlier in the season I think like serve bot has become such a sort of word that's used and that is seen as such an insult and I almost felt like the commentators this week
and kind of the interviewers as well were like really trying to put emphasis on the other parts of his game saying oh you're more than just to serve aren't you I was thinking as David said like he does occasionally have some flashy ground strokes and he's got quite nice technique on them
but let's be real here he is a problem because of his serve like that is the weapon that he's got and that is what's and that's fine like he and he does own that he was quick to point to it himself in his interviews like no my serve is my is my big weapon indoors and if that is firing
like it was this week it's going to take the very best players in the world to beat him because we saw what he did to sort of the category just below and yeah he's kind of I don't know like whether this is too much of a sort of national stereotype thing but he's very atypically French you know
in terms of the players we've had recently if you know French players are not a flare a lot of style but maybe they might not be sort of cold blooded and like a real killer in the big moments but he is just going up to the line and serving aces first serve second serve and yeah he's kind
of one that I hadn't really appreciated like how much damage he can do when when everything's clicking but yeah I think I think people would be very pleased if he is seated at the Australian Open because you do not want to meet him in the first round or two when you're trying to get your eye
in he's ranked 31 in the world and rising out of feasts is ranked 20 in the world and rising lost in semi-finals to Ben Shelton David which I'm sure you watched who's going to end 2025 ranked higher oh great question and actually I do think the group generally I think the other
week you asked me who's going to finish higher next year maybe and of draper and feasts I think you asked and I think that is also a fascinating one I mean I still think of all of them feasts because I still think you can rely on his body more than you can draper's and I think
Kampishy Perka is going to have some huge results but it's so new to him he's even he's like a he where Artifice was a year ago I mean he's doing better but he's kind of that level of just coming on the scene but which are the mates you're in next year oh that's a great question too I
mean because I do find when you're talking about you're in as in being a bit dull because it's the people we we know very well who have established themselves well enough to get in that field and the exciting ones behind them that we don't know so I won't quite there yet I do think in a year's time
Shelton fitness permitting should be right there and I think Artifice is going to be right on the brink you know just probably 10 in the world 12 in the world something like that I'm pushing pericard I would expect to be around the 20 or 18 marks something like that draper could
be right there by then I think if he got a good run of just fitness really I think he could be he could be 10 in the world ish or maybe just inside that that eight mark I mean it was fascinating watching feasts Shelton because they played each other a couple of weeks ago and feasts got the
better of it and he was the better player all the way through and yet it still went right to the wire and Shelton served just about kept him in it until the end when feasts won this was totally different and I think feasts came out having won all of his matches in straight sets and beaten
sits the past in the previous round and I think he thought oh you know I'll just do what it is last time and I'll keep and Shelton came out so fired up clearly wanting revenge I mean these two get along really well they they played doubles together this last week they they get off on hanging
out together and showing off to each other about how good they are I think and Shelton was just so psyched up to win this match and get revenge and it was really close but he got the one break and the first set he he really should have lost the tie break feasts should have won that but they had
one rally in the tie break which I I recommend anybody to watch it's probably around about eight all all right seven or something like that when feasts just turned on the afterburners and he was just shouting with every ball he struck you know when he gets super intense and he's going after it and
he comes roaring into the net and Shelton just was like meeting fire with fire in terms of intensity and middling this ball back somehow at the feet of feasts and he couldn't handle the volley and you could see on feasts his face it was like gee well I really exploded with your adrenaline there
they don't normally come back and Shelton was well yeah I'm ready for everything and and it was I found it really interesting that he won he was just exuberant about it and then he runs into a pesci paracard and he just can't handle it he can't handle this relentlessness and I like his
serve seemed puny compared to him pesci paracards and we think of Shelton as a big server and I do think that Shelton's kind of response from a few days earlier when he when he'd beaten rublev and I thought he must be out on his feet after that it was such a close match actually probably ended
up coming through as a hangover and finally a bit partly because mainly because of his opponents but the adrenaline got him through against feasts they're they're a fascinating group they really are all of these lads and I'm I'm I probably was excited about Oji Ali a seam and Shepa Valov and people like that five years ago like I'm about these guys but I'm not anymore I hope that these guys don't leave me feeling underwhelms like those and I don't just mean those two there's a
group of them. Mm-hmm Paris is going to be interesting isn't it a final year in in Bersie before it relocates to Ladef Fonse Arena next year I always feel like the excitement of Paris kind of rests on how many cheering spots are still up for grabs and four slash five is about as bad as many as we've seen I think in recent years you've got Rude rublev Domenore their seventh to ninth in the race Dimitrov still in with the chance Tommy Paul I think will be fighting tooth and nail he's currently
in 11th place so yeah it's going to be very interesting and Sinner and Alchoraz are playing in Paris as well and the top two seeds so the chance for a Sinner Alchoraz final is always an exciting prospect that's the ATP that we'll be back in part to with the WTA results from last week.
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the the best week yet if the Sophia Kennin is it a comeback I don't know is it just a sort of an ongoing search for the form that won her the Australian open I don't know Junqin Wen she beat Danish Schneider Laila Fernandez her third title of the season after Palermo earlier in the
year and the Olympics as well Pam Shriver David says that her serve Junqin Wen serve is one of the biggest weapons in women's tennis these days and it's pretty hard to argue with that isn't it I mean we don't really argue with anything Pam says not when she's presenting you with with
Tequila Pamas but she's right she's right isn't she well that's a lot of a weapon I think I can't remember when it was the the win over Schneider or the win over Kennin but she hit something like 16 aces and and it was just awesome what what she what she can do with that serve and you're just
you it's a bit like watching him pushy perigard you just watching these players just walk side to side and I mean Kennin is a really compact and and you know fail safe player she doesn't make loads of unforced errors when she's on a game and she just wasn't in in in some of these points
because the serve just stops you I was really impressed with the way she managed to manage she's to look so fresh at this stage of the season she's played a lot of tennis this year you know if you think she reached the final of the Australian open and she's been a factor all the
way through the year at various points Olympics winning the gold there and and here she is end of the year having already played the tournaments in China you know and she still goes to Tokyo and she goes out and she wins it and and it's just I just find it so impressive that that she she didn't
need to do that and and she wanted to and steps up doesn't know doesn't look tired you know gives a great speech at the end of it all and just I don't know I just think she's one of the one of the finds of the year in a way I mean I know that she's been on the scene before that as well we knew
about her as a as a real talent but this is next level now she's she's becoming a real a really top player I hope it's not like too reductive but I really do think we can point to the Olympics as changing and when do you remember I mean she had that messy messy match at the Olympics against
Kerber which she very easily could have lost it was back and forth and it ended up being Kerber's last ever match but Junqin went battled through and and came through it and kind of ever since then she's just carried herself differently I think I think the Australian Open for everyone else was
seen as this incredible great breakthrough for her and okay she didn't beat a sort of number of amazing players to get to the final it was one of those beating who's in front of you kind of things and then she was just outclassed and outmatched by Sabile Enquan the final I think for a while she
was knocked by that because I think she does have this confidence and I think that being beaten so heavily as she was in that final probably did slightly rock her and knock that confidence but ever since the Olympics it seems to have just sort of validated the sort of confidence that she's
got and yeah she just carries herself differently on court now and I think she's won 29 of her 33 matches since Wimbledon so you know right through this back end of the season as David's been talking about she's been you know one of the very best players kind of behind behind Sabile Enquan and
I think the final did seem like things are caught up with Ken in as you say this was her this is her first time all season winning three matches in a row and she won four matches in a row and she just looked like someone who who kind of wasn't ready for a fifth match really but Junqin went
serving as as you said unbelievable it was 93% of her first serve points were one bucket load of aces and it's one of those because it is a a slightly odd technique to it you know the way she throws the ball up is completely unconventional you know you know it was think of Serena just sort
of placing the ball in the sky and going from there with her serve but Junqin starts her ball to us so low there's so much that can go wrong with it and there's so much that has gone wrong with it over the years you know it has been a real weakness at times but she seems to have trust
it and trust the sort of process and now it's at a point where it's a weapon and okay she still has days where it slightly lets her down but when it's on and she's in that mood as you say the opponent is just sort of walking side to side and barely getting into her service games and she's an
example of someone who you know sort of contrary to the ATP finals you've got Junqin qualifying for the WTA finals in a red hot form and feels like she's got the sort of momentum that can trouble some of the very best players in the world and I think she she's a you know she was she's just
such a great addition to that event this year and yeah just bold over really by the improvements that she's made this year and I do think we can point to the Olympics as a as a big big moment in her in her career.
Again I'm interesting seeing the kind of momentum versus gas in the tank trade off at the WTA finals isn't it Shwonteq rocking up after a rest but does Shwonteq look like after a rest have we ever seen that before I'm not sure that we have whereas Shwonteq should men must be pretty exhausted
and but she's the form player add into that it's an new venue and a new city you know we don't we don't know what the court is going to play like in in Riyadh do we I mean as it's yeah I mean I suppose quite often at WTA finals we get that kind of push and pull of of momentum of form
versus freshness just given where it's positioned in the in the calendar but add a well-rested Shwonteq into the mix and it all becomes fascinating I think a slam for Junqinwen in 2025 David I wouldn't feel confident about that just because of the strength of the opposition but I think
she's a contender I think she's in the mix you know I wouldn't if she won one I wouldn't be surprised but I don't confidently predict it because Arina Sabalenko's around and she usually beat always beats her I think there are other really really good players around but I hope that this
isn't a one-off I hope that this wasn't the year that we point to and say oh wasn't Shwonteq and win good that year I hope that this is the start of something and I believe it is going to be because I think she's she's really got something I remember when when she got that win over Shwonteq
at the Olympics I remember thinking then oh well that already makes me excited about Rolongaros in 2025 like I know it was a different thing for Shwonteq to be representing Poland and I think that weighed on her in a way that she doesn't usually have that kind of weight on her shoulders
at Rolongaros but you know I think we came out of Rolongaros this year and we were talking Chris Ever numbers in terms of potential French opens and that's partly because of how good he goes Shwonteq is and partly because we were slightly looking at the field on clay and thinking
which front it's just head and shoulders above everyone but I think Jung's improvement in the back end of this year makes me think that you know if they were in the same quarter or half at Rolongaros next year like I'd be really excited about potentially seeing that match someone who
has shown that they can go toe-to-toe which Fionteq on the clay so I think oddly despite that being the slam where one player's had like the firmest grip on it I think that does feel like the one that maybe she's got a real shot at next year because of as David said like the match up against
Sabelenko on the hard courts is just really really problematic for Jung at the moment but you know it's it's unlikely that Sabelenko like keeps dominating the the hard court slams in in the way that she has just because it's so tough to actually do that chances are like they will probably be in opening at some point and and Jung has put herself right there as someone to potentially
take advantage of that. Missaki Doi was doing the uncle interviews in Tokyo wasn't she she retired last September with a chronic back injury she had an incredible grade and she reached 30 in the world that was back in in 2016 she reached the last 16 of Wimbledon last year I always
associate her name with having match points against Angelique Kerber the Australian Open and the first round the Australian Open that Kerber went on to win but that's that's really unfair for me to put her as a footnote in the the Angelique Kerber story because she had an incredible career in her own right and she got such a lovely reaction from from the players doing those interviews and
she David. Yeah and when I watch this this happen it occurred to me and I I can't really remember whether we kind of pay tribute to her last year when she retired because she's one of those sort of ever-present she's she's a fixture on the tennis circuit she's 32 now or maybe all 33 she
certainly was when she retired 32 and and I just remember thinking oh Missaki Doi now what she doing these days apart from this to it and I remember I said oh she doesn't play the sport anymore and the way she was being greeted by the other players who were who were being interviewed via
the first time I saw it was with Diana Kasakina and she asked Kasakina a question and Kasakina just said well before I answer your question I'd just like to say how nice it is to see you again and and you realize you know this is a a traveling circus and and and people their
established relationships and they may not be that close you may not get to no players that much but when they when they leave the circuit when they leave the scene I think and then you see them again you realize you feel something and and that was very clear with Missaki Doi there were a lot
of players referencing her doing the interviews and given given her a hug afterwards and stuff like that it was really nice in Guangzhou there was a WTA 250 event won by Olga Danilović she beat Caroline Doi had 6361 in the final to win her second WTA title and her first since her breakthrough
in 2018 David I always think of you as our Olga Danilović correspondent and I believe you also have Caroline Doi heider takes so take it away yeah well these both of the the finals this week and in that the the women's tournaments that they just the hour they were being played at was
sort of middle of the night for us and I happen to be struggling with a bit of insomnia the last couple of weeks so I was up I was up then when the the Guangzhou final was taking place and yeah I mean Olga Danilović I think the reason you probably say that is it is if I go back five
years she was in in Bath in the UK in the Billie Jean King Cup group stages in February so this is done a few months after she'd won that first title and she was only 17 at that point and I just I remember standing court side and watching her win and thinking she if she's as good as she is
intense she's gonna be an incredible player to watch the next few years because I don't think I'd seen intensity quite like it anywhere certainly in at nine person and then she she just got horribly hampered by injuries over the years and we then saw her at the French Open this year
beating Daniel Collins we saw her beating Donna Vechich these were really hard for wins and yet still here she is yet to crack the world's top 50 and it seems hard to believe really that a player who can play like this has yet to do that but in this final she was she was never troubled I
mean 6361 it was it felt as comfortable as that as well she was so happy and relieved a bit a bit like I was describing drape at the end you know this is somebody who's just finally reached the peak of the mountain again and after six years of trying then still only 23 so she should have
her best years ahead of her she can just stay fit and just on dollar hide I didn't really realize until the final but she'd qualified for this event once six matches along the way and spent more than 30 hours on the court to get to that final two of the matches finished 766 and the third so
you know that's that's a great effort from from dollar hide and and she's going to be the WTF finals as well in the doubles alongside Desiree Kraftich so she's she's had a great couple of weeks actually in singles having already qualified in the doubles and and actually it was really warm
between the two of them in the in the ceremony afterwards I think there's a real understanding from dollar hide that the little of it she's been trying for this for a long time and and she can understand what it meant to and I think there's a lot of players out there like that you you
realize how rarely they end up finishing the tournament as as a winner you know they've usually lost that week and when they finally don't what a feeling yeah the WTF finals incidentally gets going on Saturday this Saturday we'll be recording a preview this Friday and we'll also be back
next Monday with a regular weekly pod reviewing the ATP event in Paris and also the other WTA events that are happening this week there are 250's in Zhang Ji China in Hong Kong and in Merida in Mexico the Akron Open which in in take one of this segment I thought was held in Akron which for anybody who wants to know is in Ohio and is the rubber capital of the world I just didn't want that knowledge to go to waste we'll be back in part three with some news from the tennis world.
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a Dominic teamless world or certainly a Dominic teamless tennis world because he is finally officially retired he lost his final match 7662 to Luciana Darderi in Vienna there was a lovely ceremony I was ready for the end to come I haven't enjoyed how over Dominic teams career has
has felt and how kind of ceremonial the last few events he's played he's played have they've all felt like testimonials haven't they rather than a sort of Andy Murray-esque delusion delusional fighting tooth and nail to the bitter end it felt like an occasion rather than a match
and I I find it quite hard to appreciate Dominic team in that context because I still want to be watching Dominic team play the the kind of tennis that he was playing four years ago but he seems at peace with it I'm happy for him I will and have been missing him as a as a force as the force
that he was and the disruptive force that he was in the tennis world I will miss that terribly David yeah he was a player that took your breath away to watch him when he was at his best he was a player that hurt the very best players of all time the big three and he was a player that we've
now seen as you rightly say in this sort of ceremonial lap of honor in the last few months and it it struck me that upon watching this final match can be complete and it was a very nice ceremonial record I thought they did a really good job at the whole thing I immediately my kids were watching with me and they're kind of they know his name and and they wondered sort of what's what with Dominic team and I immediately turned it off and just put on one of those reels of his top 10
most spectacular points you know and my son was just like whoa look at that that's amazing you know and that's how I want to remember Dominic team as a as a tennis player it did make me watch the two things side by side and you mentioned Andy Murray and I also think Raffa and the Dow really
and and I sometimes watch these players and think well why what has changed yeah because when I watch Dominic team I still seeing him hit hit these flashing back ends from it from once in a while and everything kind of looks similar but they don't seem to have the effect on the opponents that
they used to have and it's because that they are actually different it's just that to the the the casual eye or certainly to my eye I don't have enough knowledge and of the real technique and the sort of power that goes in and what's been compromised in quite the same way because he's not an old
ban you know whereas Raffa and the Dow is several years older you can see the age and the the niggles that have caught up with him but oh I think the beauty of Dominic team is that he played his best stuff when the tennis TV highlight reels were really ramping up and they're there
there there anytime you want to get a little fix of what Dominic team was as a tennis player it's right there I'm not ready I'm not I'm not ready for it yeah I think the thing I would say about Dominic team is that there aren't there aren't that many players I don't think that you remember the
first time you saw them but I do remember the first time I watched Dominic team it was against Andy Mariam Rotterdam in 2014 and he was just striping winners and hitting the ball in a way that just made me go I like this guy I want to keep watching this guy and he he transformed from that guy who
was you know a sort of flashy big header who was clearly a big threat on clay he became someone who could live with the big three you know he really could and that sort of 2016 to 2020 period he could live with them physically at that stage of their careers he had the he had the
power to hurt them at the belief and he he pushed them in ways that they would normally only push each other and I think you know Stanwave Rinker had a particular gift for peaking at slams and for really disrupting no about jokavish you know his his record generally
against the big three is not all that you know it wasn't a sustained challenger to them in terms of like more sustained challenges obviously Andy Murray is is number one there but I think team is kind of right there maybe with Del Potro in terms of players who absolutely push them
and I think there's a there's a connection isn't there between Murray Del Potro and team in that kind of all of their careers have been ended up blighted by injury and I think team has spoken about that how he he does think that trying to get to that level kind of cost him because he
he had to go through so much to be able to live with them and and and Murray and and Del Potro kind of the same and yeah he made that period and I've just talked about so fascinating that so many standout matches against the big big players whether it be three sets I remember the one in
the ATP finals against jokavish away one a couple of tie breaks or the Rome actually blasted in the dial off the court but he also got five set wins over them as well at at the slams and I'm so pleased he did get that that major that he deserved but it just does feel like we missed out
over a few years of what could have been prime Dominic team coming up against jokavish in that sort of 21 22 23 period where alkarez would have been emerging as well and yeah it felt like there was so much more to give from Dominic teams career but but for those four five six years where
he was a contender he was just so electrifying to watch and I've I've missed him and and I'll continue to miss him unless he becomes a pro pickable player that all that would help my morning process but it hit it that way yeah I'd get over him quicker if he did something oh I see it like that yeah no not in terms of a you know watching Dominic team play pickleball would not be my method own got yeah absolutely not no a couple of other bits of news eagish run text playing Billie Jean
King Cup which is fantastic but a real surprise to me when I saw that Matt yes because you know she frankly hasn't played it for the last few years and there've been times where she's I think committed and then pulled out quite late and there've been times where she's just said in advance
I'm not going to play and those have been entirely understandable decisions you know there's we've talked a lot about the way the WTA finals and the Billie Jean King Cup have have clashed in the last few years and last year we had that absolutely crazy situation with
players arriving from cancun I was thinking back to the to the checks having cardboard cutouts of Cray Chicaver and Cinear Cava in their press conference in in Seville last year just to sort of really highlight the fascicle nature of the situation and you know in previous years
she's Fiontech has prioritized playing a lot post US open and going for the world number one ranking and it feels like this year she's prioritized a bit of rest getting a new coach and now she's got two events that she can play back to back the WTA finals and then go over to to Malago
and represent Poland and we've talked recently about the way Magdalena Freck has been in great form and you know suddenly Poland feel like they have pretty pretty strong team with Egas Fiontech as the one and then Freck potentially as the two or or Magdalena so it's really
exciting news for for the event to have you know whether she's the world number one or world number two at that stage and I think just her circumstances this end of season have been a bit different and they've allowed her to play it and I'm really really pleased that that she's committing to it
yeah both world number ones will be in Malaga for the Billie Jean King and Davis Cup Finals which is very cool well that's if Egas Fiontech is world number one of course she's not at the moment and if you'd like to know why the WTA website is good and explainer about that
last couple of bits of news for this week we've had the announcement of the inductees to the International tennis Hall of Fame Marisha Rappova and the Bryan Brothers will be inducted in 2025 Daniel Nester will miss out he was put forward as a nominee the nominees have voted on
by the members and Daniel Nester didn't make the grade much to the anger of Todd Woodbridge notably and some other former players as well as spoken out about this there are 267 inductees total from 27 country and every October the official voting group which is comprised of global tennis
media not us I should say we're waiting by the phone global tennis media historians industry leaders and other Hall of Famers they all form the official group voting group and they join with a public vote to determine if nominees are inducted or not this is the official wording to be elected
into the Hall of Fame a candidate must receive an affirmative vote of 75% or more from the official voting group result or a combined title if 75% or more from the official voting group result and any bonus percentage points they earn through the fan vote votes are tallied by an independent
accounting firm Todd Woodbridge says it's a disgrace for Nester not to make that grade he said Nester's career was off the charts and the criteria needed to change he might well be right Todd Woodbridge I couldn't possibly say because I don't understand the criteria at all
despite having just read them out David yeah it's I mean look I think the international tennis Hall of Fame is a is a really cool thing for tennis to have like they're like they're having many other American sports particularly and they're becoming a bit more scene over here and I
do think I mean it's it's a wonderful place and well really want to go visit and they celebrate history of the sport and these so many of these former players feel special and you know other people that are voted in like Richard Evansack media colleague because they have a sort of
contributors section every couple years as well but yeah I missed him I didn't know that much about the criteria and it's because of this a mission of Daniel Nester that I've gone and found it on the website and really looked into it and tried to understand it a little bit more I still
don't feel completely glued in on how it works and why it works like that and I do think when you look at the sheer amount of titles and grand slams that Daniel Nester won it does feel a bit harsh that he hasn't got in so you know that's why I went and used what Todd Woodbridge had said
because he is actually an inductive himself from 2010 and one of the great players particularly in doubles that the sports ever seen so for him to say that you must feel really strongly about it so yeah it's it's an interesting one and I also think Sharapova's
inclusion is quite interesting because you know of the fact that she served a drugs ban and that is going to come up again in the next few years we've got some players currently who will be Hall of Fame contenders in future years in Simone Halep and Janik Sinner and that conversation
is going to come up and I think this was kind of the first time that it's really come up for the Hall of Fame and Ben Rothenberg was reporting that they with the ballot they added some text about why they think that you know we shouldn't discount Sharapova because of the drugs ban and they were
sort of you know Ana Billie Jean King very much petitioned for for Sharapova to be included despite the drugs ban but I just think it's quite an interesting case study there in terms of how drugs bands end up impacting how we look at a player's career and legacy because you know without it
obviously Sharapova would be an absolute lock competing the career slam and being world number one like obviously she should be in the Hall of Fame but I suspect you know she's obviously got in but I suspect there were some voters who were who were put off by the fact that she she had
served a ban and yeah it's just it's going to be something that's going to come up for the Hall of Fame again yeah very interesting last bit of news if you if you can call it news for for this week the bombshell that Janik Sinner did not play the six King slam where he won six million dollars
for money he called it quote a nice prize but absolutely not the reason that he was there and full disclosure I said in the intro that something on social media had aggravated me to the extent that David needed to send me a nice email from a listener this was the thing that aggravated me to
that extent I was and I'm still pretty sick and by this interview that Janik Sinner gave I think it's a spectacular PR misjudgment at best because this was a pre-prepared answer to to a question that he was inevitably going to receive at some point about that enormous
paycheck and yeah if it if it if six million dollars means so little to Janik donate it to a human rights charity any any any any anything further well I think that's very well said the the only thing that summed up my emotions upon seeing it was the response directly of
stanva rinker on on twitter which was the crying with laughing emoji it's just grotesquely insensitive at a time when so so many people are struggling in the world and struggling to to make ends meet to pay their mortgage to stop for someone to collect six million dollars and then say
it doesn't matter is grotesque even if it comes from a place of naivety and ignorance it's it's still grace the nature of the event and where it was being held and everything we were discussing last week it's just come on you've gone there because it's it's money the likes of which you just
can't get anywhere else doesn't I don't believe there's any other reason you've gone hmm well that's put me in a bad mood again but the good news is to get me out of that bad mood we have Aristotel Aristotle is a gorgeous cat owned by Jason Lee and Isidro Maryscal who live in Washington DC and
we know Jason and Isidro they were first in line queuing up outside the green space in Manhattan for our new york live show this year and they were so lovely and fantastically supportive and just brought brilliant energy to the evening and are all around lovely people in it turns out they
also have an incredible cat as well Aristotel is an eight year old female orange tabby she enjoys napping in pools of sunlight and sitting on a window sill watching neighborhood birds squirrels and dogs she loves sitting on laps but wishes that her two dads wouldn't yell so much during
exciting tennis matches especially those involving Raffa on the dial won't be a problem for too much longer Aristotle she's the spiritual kitty sister to our prior cat Socrates who's a main coon these are high brow cat owners I was trying to fashion a you know how to ball I know Aristotel gag but I
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