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Rome brings drama, but boycott talk dominates

May 10, 20261 hr 19 minEp. 1498
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Summary

This episode delves into a tumultuous opening week at the Rome tournament, dominated by top players threatening a Grand Slam boycott over prize money and revenue share, sparked by Aryna Sabalenka's bold statements. On the courts, the WTA saw surprising withdrawals, including Emma Raducanu's unusual exit, and an early injury scare for Sabalenka. The ATP faced its own injury woes with Novak Djokovic's illness and Carlos Alcaraz's withdrawal, while young talents like Dino Prizmic shone and Jannik Sinner continued his dominant run.

Episode description

Catherine, David and the Athletic’s Charlie Eccleshare look back on a dramatic opening week at Rome’s Foro Italico.

Part one - WTA (00:00 - 16:41). Charlie brings us up to speed on the latest stand off between the top players and the Grand Slams over prize money, and Aryna Sabalenka’s bold claim that the players are prepared to boycott in order to achieve the revenue share they think they deserve. Is it all hot air? Do the players have a point or are they being greedy?

Part two - WTA (16:41 - 50:09). After Charlie explains the bizarre circumstances around Emma Raducanu’s pre tournament withdrawal, we get into the nitty gritty of the women’s results so far, including a shock early defeat and injury scare for the World Number One Sabalenka.

Part three - ATP (50:09). Injury and illness drama also dominated the early stages of the men’s event, with Djokovic compromised by stomach issues and Dino Prizmic capitalising in spectacular fashion. Is Dino finally happening? And is there anyone left standing between Darth Sinner and a maiden title in Rome?


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Intro / Opening

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Rome Tournament Opening & Podcast Intro

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Well hello and welcome to the tennis podcast here on this fine Sunday evening to talk all things Rome and the final Clay Court 1000 event before Roland Garros joining us from Sunny Solly Hull, the Rome of the West Midlands. David Low

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That's got to be the first time that that has ever happened that it has been called that. But I'm gonna go with that and see if I say it out loud to people whether they whether they're up for it.

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They're welcome to quote me on that on the tourist posters if they like. Uh joining us from actual Rome. It is the Athletics Charlie Eccleshair, Charlie How are you doing? I already know the answer to this. I know you're absolutely buzzing. As an Arsenal fan, I'm expecting peak Eccle share this evening, please.

C

I'm good. I will do my best. Yeah. Don't ask me anything about handling the tennis between the hours of five thirty and seven thirty PM local time today because For me and a few others, I will say, in the press room, all eyes were on uh what was going on in East London. Um but yeah, I'm doing well, thank you.

Grand Slam Prize Money Boycott Threat

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And our eyes as well, quite frankly. All sports fans' eyes, I think. Um before we get into the tennis, and there is a a lot of tennis to get into, um we always bitch about the slow starts that these two week long one thousand events have. Um but it does feel like a lot has happened already. So um we do have a lot to talk about. But just before we get into all of that, I feel like we should start with

The big news story that broke on the eve of the tournament fueled by some pretty punchy quotes from a number of top players from the the men's and the women's side threatening in a very nonspecific way a boycott if their complaints about grand slam prize money are grumbled at We've been hearing at various different volumes for a while now. If their complaints about prize money and player benefits at the slams are not listened to

and acted upon. So despite an overall year on year prize money increase of nine point five percent for twenty twenty six that Roland Garros announced a couple of weeks ago, that brings the total prize money pot to seventy two. point three million dollars. The top tens of the WTA and the ATP expressed what they called collective disappointment. Rwy'n gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r gweithio'r

is very often compared to US sports leagues, where the players' revenue share is often close to, if not more than, certainly hovering around the 50% mark. Irina Sabalenka was... the punchiest of the lot, she said at some point we will boycott. Um and then lots of other players echoed those sentiments. Quite a lot of them said, Well if th there's a boycott happening I'll definitely join in.

Um Rabatkness said yeah, I mean if there is one then I'm up for it. Um Coco Goff said that, uh Novak Djokovic um echoed those sentiments as well, Charlie. I know that um the Athletic, you and uh Ava Wallace have done a lot of reporting on this over the last week. And look they are anytime the the B word comes up in tennis, even if it is an empty threat, who knows? It's a big deal.

US Sports Revenue Share Comparison

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that comparison to the US Sports League. is because on one I mean, on the face of it you hear the complaints from the top players and you think, What are you on about? They're increasing prize money at most slams by a minimum ish of ten percent every year. You're earning gazillions of pounds or dollars, what have you got to complain about? But on the other hand, when you hear that comparison, fifteen percent to to fifty percent, you think, right, yeah, get get marching in the street, get get

So I guess, yeah, how fair is that comparison? Like are the financial structures of Grand Slams comparable to the financial structures of those US sports leagues that are held up as the benchmark?

C

I mean first of all as well, like you're right that people aren't gonna have sympathy towards like the top players, but also the Grand Slams are doing all right themselves too. You know, they're not doing badly when it comes to how much they bring in. You know, they're doing they're doing very well. Um should be stressed as

B

To the extent that let's say, hypothetically, they all increased their prize money to fifty percent of their revenue, would they all still remain in profit?

C

I mean I don't know exactly but that would be a huge a huge out I mean we're t I I I mean they they talk as well about really you know, the first step we should say that they want is to get to like twenty two percent, which is what the mixed one thousands have. So that they're not going straight for that.

Challenges of Fragmented Tennis Bodies

fifty percent figure. I mean it is different. Obviously most of those sports have like a league and that sort of thing, whereas an obvious difference is this is four separate entities. And just on a practical level, I do think that does make things really difficult. And that's been something that has come up again and again in conversations with players this week, is that it's so fragmented. So it is very difficult to

the kind of straight answers even that these players want. And and Yannick Sinner said this in his press conference. He was like, if this was any other sport, I feel like the top players would be listened to straight away. Um and you know, I've asked a few players about that as well and I think they do agree with it. And I think one of the reasons is that

there is a sense that it's so hard because all four even all four of the different Sams, you know, it's not like they they're all a kind of homogeneous being. We're at a point where one of them has a has taken a separate point of view in a lawsuit to three of the others. Like it's so it's so divided. I th I mean we would be talking about a monumental increase to get towards like a fifty percent mark and I think the players, like I say, it is more about kinda at this point it's that twenty two

percent figure. I think as well for ATP only events it's around thirty percent. It's a bit higher. Um so obviously you know, the the amount of the s proportion wise for the slams, uh, it is a fair bit often should say as well. And I think sometimes the players, some are good at articulating this, some less so. It is it it isn't about them or at least that

that's given um by the group as a whole. That it's not about making sure that Yannick Sinna and Arina Sabalenka get more money. It's about players further down the pyramid. To be fair to the F F T as well, like most of their increases have been aimed at that level of player and there have been some really big increases at that level, um, you know, over the last few years.

Reality of Boycott & Player Power

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Negotiations are always about power, aren't they? Like how and and the threat of a boy boycott is really Emphasizing player power, isn't it? It's it's sort of Showing your hand and saying this is how much power we have, does the threat feel real enough to you for the slams to actually move on this.

C

Ah I mean th th this is the thing, like go going into that Tuesday, I was really curious. I wanted to ask these players, asked Sabalenka, she was one of the first players I asked actually, and she went straight for the jugular with it. And it's obviously very impactful when they do that and it's great for us. You know, it was like a great story straight away first day of the tournament. Um

No, the tour yeah, the tournament only started that day, but it was really you know, often those media days could be quite slow, but this was like straight bang into it. I think when you actually then drill into it a bit, having spoken to other players and people involved with this group, there haven't been like formal discussions about a boycott. Like we're quite a a long way off that.

And you know, it's not again, talking about the slams not being homogenous. I've the the sense I've been given is that it's there's a wide there's a a big spectrum of views from different players. But certainly You know, it it it's a it's a big attention grabbing, you know, it's a thing to say, you know, that that boycott word. I still think

there are enough players you know they really don't want to do it as well. That's the thing. They they really don't want to do it. Because Like and I and I'm just sceptical the extent to which You know, they would. Like it would take so much, especially as they they w it would be an essentially selfless act. And how often do elite athletes act selflessly? Like everything about them is geared towards winning?

And if they actually stopped and thought about it, they're like, do I wanna like win fewer Grand Slams for the sake of the number hundred in the world? Be an amazing thing to do if they did. But but I and and then there's this separate thing which Sinna talks about like what it's about is a question of respect, um which I totally get. But again, is Yannick Sinner gonna sacrifice Grand Slams because he feels a bit disrespected? Like

I'd be pr I'd be amazed, quite frankly. And then I mean, yeah, Coca Goff did make that quite funny point. She was like, Yeah, I probably wouldn't do it if I was on my own. I'd be quite annoyed if like I went out and then turned around and I realised no one else was doing it. I mean, it would have to be like a big

bit of collective action and like how long have we been covering tennis? Like, how hard is it to get anything organised collectively, let alone something this significant and on this scale.

B

Yeah, I know they were really understandable and relatable and quite funny, all those quotes, you know, from Rabachnau and Gough, saying, like... Yeah, if there's one happening then I'll that sounds great, I'll join in. But one is only gonna happen if there is a I I d It tends to take a a talisman, right, or a taliswoman, a figurehead that is prepared

Historical Boycotts and Public View

It's not an age of activists, is it, in the sport? I mean David could you ever envisage in reality not just

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I think it's important to say that it has happened before and we we covered it on Tennis Relived when M the players a a huge number, eighty odd players boycott Wimbledon in nineteen seventy three in order to stand up for Nikki Pillich, who was who was being banned from playing the Davis Cup. Um this is very, very different. And you know, this is about money and and yes it is it is I'm pleased that the idea seems to be to support

the lower rank and file. And there is absolutely a a fair principle, I think, that The sport is doing incredibly well. How come we're only getting this percentage of it? It's just that that percentage of it is an enormous amount as well. So

It's a pretty difficult one to win in the in in the eyes of the public, I think. Uh y yes, you you'll certainly get fan bases and and people who understand tennis and and and people in the business I think be more sympathetic, but I think if you were to stop the random in the street, that they're not gonna have a huge amount of sympathy for this position compared to say And I won't.

What might have been the case with Nikki Pillich back in the day? I I wasn't around at that time to to know. But, you know, that was an incredible stamp. all those people, all those men prepared to stop. I remember Billie Jean King telling us we were happy we would have been happy to join them in that in that as well. Um but they didn't ask. They didn't care about us. Um so they created their their own association instead at the same time. Um I would be

to to to quote Charlie, uh I I'd be I'd be feeling the same about that. I mean, Andy Roddick did put huge pressure on them many years ago, um, as as he tried to drive some change and and argue this point and

Elite Player Group's Strategic Influence

and had some success. I mean, put pressure on, but but trying to actually get the players to come with you is another matter. And then we I actually think that this group because they've made it quite a small group with the most power, it feels like it it is actually one that you could wield something and make something happen. Because you don't have to try and get sixty people to do it. You're trying to get twenty people to do it and they happen to be the biggest names in the sport.

um you can get them in the room and have a conversation say you can put your name to a letter on behalf of all of them. They've had Larry Scott involved who's just the most incredible administrator and understanding of of the business. You know, and he he he was able to help along with Billie Jean King and Venus Williams and and and one or two others drive the equal prize money back in two thousand seven at Wimbledon. You know, these were

This is a this is a guy who knows about this stuff. We've covered him on on Tennis Reelived as well. So I feel like they've already they've already made s significant strides quietly and almost Correct me if I'm wrong, Charlie. Almost namelessly because y they have a name but they're not really doing the the public thing in quite the same way. They're talking about being a group of twenty players, the top m ten men and women, um And a le and letters on behalf of them.

E meanwhile you've got the Professional Tennis Players Association. Well what are they now? I can't quite re you know, y you you're trying to remember what they are and oh, there's also an association of tennis professionals tour. There's a players' union there, a players' council there as well. So Considering all that, I think they've actually done quite well. But

Sabalenka's Unscripted Boycott Comments

I don't know whether Sabalenka was sent in to try to drop that grenade and get the get Tong's wagon. I suspect she probably just said it. And okay, they're words, but I d I I don't believe that that's going to suddenly happen.

C

Yeah, I mean the interesting thing with Sabalanka as well is she's not from my understanding, been one of the people, you know, really driving it and engaged behind the scenes. You know, she hasn't been like a Jessica Bagula uh type character, but she is very forthright. Um she is someone who will kind of Say it as she sees it, which, you know, also has a has a value as well. But I don't think she was coming at it from a point of view of like,

This is based on lots of conversations I've been having with other players and kind of negotiations I've been having. I think it was more this is how I feel. I'm annoyed at this situation and I'm just gonna say that, which does carry a lot of weight.

B

Mm. M my favorite s little wrinkle of the story is that they've stuck in terms of the signatories to this letter, they've stuck with the same uh twenty players from when the original letters were signed last year, presumably to prevent having to have awkward sort of you're not in the top ten anymore, we don't require your signature. Please please get the tip X out um conversation.

C

I think they did I think for the second letter in July they did add a few, so it is a bit more. Um

B

Yeah, they only add they never subtract. There isn't awkward your fault is dropped off a cliff.

C

Yeah, because I think'cause I think Sitsipass was on the original list or was certainly clo close by'cause it was marked twenty twenty five. And so I think the the when the letter was sent, so I think it you know, the group was formulated before the

And then yeah, they did it. The Seng Less went late in July and the few got added, like Jack Draper,'cause he was outside of the top ten in February or whatever it was of twenty twenty five and then was in. So I mean, yeah, that's another thing. Like th there will Or there kind of has to be a fluidity'cause you the rankings don't pause in time.

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Hm. Once you're in you're in. It's like the last eight clubs. Okay, uh if you want to read more on all of that, a lot of detail in um in Charlie and uh all the athletics reporting on the matter, so uh do check all of that out and we'll keep you posted. As things develop that's it for part one. We'll get into the tennis in part two.

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WTA Rome: Raducanu's Bizarre Withdrawal

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Welcome back to part two of today's tennis podcast. Let's start with the WTA, uh, where there have been quite a few injuries, I feel like. Uh injuries and illness have been quite a big feature, um, sometimes in quite dramatic ways, uh, over the opening few days of this tournament. Before we get into the injuries really starting with the good stuff here. Let's start with the withdrawals, uh, because there were some significant ones and some

Slightly bizarre ones. We had Marta Kostiuk uh withdraw prior to the tournament, following on from her Madrid title. I don't think that was any great shock to anybody, probably quite a cautious Sensible decision. The news took a while to reach Sam Query on the tennis channel, whose social media team have totally thrown him under the bus.

Um we had the very, very bizarre withdrawal, Charlie, of Emma Radicanu. Talk us through what happened there because you were you were in the room, you were present for all of it.

C

Yeah. It was so weird. So uh Between six twenty seven and six thirty two PM local time, we A few of us who were there, um, had a chat with Emma, really good spirits. Um, she was talking about feeling like she'd turned a corner and felt a lot better. I mean, you know, she said I wasn't feeling one hundred percent. Um and I even said to her,'cause we were asked afterwards, it was like, did she explicitly say she was playing? And like

It would have...

C

felt absurd to ask that question outright, um, because of the way she was talking. I did ask her though, I said like Were you tempted to skip this and run on Garros, you know, if you're not quite there, just to be like, I'm just gonna completely try and refresh for the grass? And she said, No, you know, clay's really good for my game long term, you know, the usual stuff you hear from players about constructing points, et cetera, et cetera. But zero indication

she was gonna pull out. Like honestly, she seemed um yeah, she seemed so much better. And then at seven PM the email went out uh saying she pulled out. And it was just it was so Like'cause I first saw it, there a tweet went out. Uh just saying like Radokani's put from one of those like entry update um the entry update feed. Um and it was like a a genuine like disbelief, like me and the reporters around me

Most of whom had, you know, started writing their piece on kind of Emma Radakanu says she's turned a corner as she, you know, plays her first event in a couple of months. Um And yeah, it was a real like double take moment. And then obviously do your checks. Is this genuine? And then yeah, I was informed at seven PM. So half an hour after talking to us, the email went out. And obviously

That doesn't just happen straight away or and nothing would have happened in that intervening half an hour. Um very strange.

B

Y you think the decision was made before her speaking to you? Because how the statement

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I I just don't know. I mean like not th there's not really any outcome that makes a lot of sense. I mean I guess it's possible she I mean, maybe when she spoke to us she was like 99% sure she was going to pull out even. And was like, but I c I don't want to say it until I'm definitely sure. And we like Boris Johnson.

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Johnson prepared prepare me two statements. Exactly.

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Yeah. Yeah. Somewhere out there is a statement from her saying how much she's raring to go and looking forward to it. But um her physio in SNC

person, uh, Emma Stewart was there. Or sort of like as we walked off, she was kinda there waiting. So I don't know, maybe they had a conversation and at that point like fully decided. But It it was just all yeah, it was all very strange because I I you know, I think it would have been a far more productive to have a conversation with our even to just be like, Look, just to give you a heads up, I am gonna pull out, this is why I'm doing it, I feel a lot better, but I'm just not quite there.

And that just wouldn't have been a story, really. I mean, maybe maybe it would have been well, I'm sure, you know, bad faith people would have said, Oh, you know, she's missing another tournament, etc. etc. But She's g you're missing if you're missing the tournament, you're missing the tournament. At least kind of get in front of it and and explain what's going on. Now I think everyone was just left being like, Well, what's going on here? Because this is such a an odd situation.

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Yeah, I've never quite heard of anything anything like that sequence events in on that timeline, to be honest. She's been posting training Training photos and so on on her Instagram, she seems to be still training on clay, indicating she doesn't tend to play Roland Garros, maybe even a tournament. Next week, we're not going to be able to do that.

C

Yeah, we were told that that is definitely in play if she can you know if she can get into one. Um and she'll need that, you know, if having not played any clay, um if she's able I mean I think um Briggsley said that There was an i there was w a s a comparable situation a few years ago at the Madrid Open, but on that occasion

it had been a very terse kind of media briefing and there was definitely a sense that something was up. Whereas yeah, this time that it was nothing like that. It was all all really positive and and upbeat seeming.

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Weird. Very weird. Um

Amanda Anisimova's Wrist Injury Concerns

Other withdrawals. Probably the big one is Amanda Anissimova. She withdrew before her opening match against Elena Ostapenko with an ongoing wrist injury, which sounds a bit of a worry, quite frankly. Um we'd just got the news that she's She's working with the coach Sebastian Sachs on a on a trial basis. So Sebastian Sachs seems to got himself into a Greg Rosetsky type situation.

signed up to coach an injured player. When will they get off the starting line? Who can say? Um Matt has had some input in the agenda here. Matt who is on another golfing holiday. Um is is he a is he a professional golfer, David, or is he a tennis podcaster?

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Well, we'll find out in the months to come, won't we? I mean, you know, maybe this is his uh His p his journey. So we may lose him. Charlie may be getting the call up more

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Matt points out that Sebastian Sachs was formerly with both Emir Adekanu and Belinda Bencic so he obviously loves the backhand list

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Sabalenka's Shock Early Exit & Injury

B

Right, let's talk about actual tennis that has happened. I feel like we should start with the earliest tournament exit in fifteen months for the world number one Arena Sabalenka. She was beaten two six.

six three, seven five by Savannah Steyer, who is surely having the greatest retirement season of all time. Um she was brilliant. Notable assists from Belinda Bencic, who was bizarrely sitting in Saronica Steyer's box throughout, despite having a match of her own a couple of hours later which she promptly went and lost. And she was sort of contributing to the coaching with she's good friends with Saranica Steyer.

Um not often you see that, particularly when the player has a has a match later that day. She was into it. Um and a a very heavy assist by the looks of things, th certainly in the latter stages. uh from a worrying looking lower back injury for for Rena Sabalenka. She says it's her lower back slash hip and she said it was limiting rotation and David, you sounded pretty worried by what you were seeing in the after stages of that map.

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Well it was the s it was the sudden manner in which she which her movement started to be impeded, you know. She s she sort of She's always somebody who chases every ball, Sabalinka, you know, is is my sense. You know, she's such a fighter. And she didn't give up. I mean she was still battling away, trying to win the match

I was really struck by a couple of winners that went by that she just didn't run to and she had she had some some attention to her her back there on the court. She just looked uncomfortable. Um and look, you know, you can you can injure your back or you can you can get a twinge like that and it may be maybe a while a few days of rest and and so forth and and then you back up and at it. But and I suspect that's probably what this will end up being. Um

But equally, this is not the three week spell I was expecting to see from Marina Sabalenka. You know, where I think we we had a podcast a couple of weeks ago and I said I'd be quite surprised if it's not a Sabalanka or a back in a final and then they both lost, you know and

And I t I was saying at that time that I felt maybe Rebecca's overplaying. Well she looks okay at the moment it's Sabalenko who's the one who's had all the time off, who's who looks physically impeded, but I I would have thought that it ac that it really matters for Sabalenka to have

you know, to win one of these two tournaments and to be flying when she goes into Rolling Garros. Not to say she can't do it. I I mean I think you you could end up getting an extra week's rest and end up benefiting it from it at at Rolling Garros. But Given this is not the one she's won before, I don't have as much confidence that she's just gonna come in and be fine.

Sabalenka's Roland Garros Preparation Woes

B

That that's kind of it, isn't it, Charlie? Like Okay, the the the injury is a worry and it's weird, isn't it,'cause I'm just never on injury alert with Sabath. It took quite quite a long while for me to process that that's what we were that's what we were seeing'cause she's so robust physically.

Um but take the injury out of it, let's say it's nothing, she's over it in a couple of days, it doesn't affect her at Roland Garros. This is still really suboptimal preparation for Roland Garros. Like this is

This is a problem.

B

Really, for for Arena Sabalenka going into to a Grand Slam, she obviously wants to win and probably still be favourite for. Maybe not if Shantek goes on to win Rome this week, I don't know. But

C

Yeah. I think if it's not much of an injury she still would be. But yeah, four wins, two losses on the clay going into Roland Garros. I mean, as David said, you got long odds on anything like that. Um yeah, it wa it was so strange because she has so many matches like this in some ways, early rounds uh of tournaments where it's a bit scratchy, but she just always finds a way to win. So it was just really

It's quite unnerving when you see players who are who are so reliable then on the very rare occasion when they don't do it. It i I guess it is quite a hard match to evaluate because we don't know how much was down to how physically impaired she was. I mean she did s she did reference that after. She said it was it it was an issue. Costa played amazingly well and I think is

is quite a good person to kind of exploit um an opponent's weakness and she's not gonna be intimidated, a rollover. An incredible win for her and she did play extremely well. It's a sign as well though of Sabalanka's Unbelievable fighting spirit that even after that uh medical timeout, she still broke back on the first occasion when and she was like wincing in pain, and it was just through sort of force of will and maybe Costello getting a little bit nervous.

But it is really interesting because in the space of She's lost two out of her last three matches now, Sabalenka. And in the space of that time, you know, going into that Baptiste match, and even when she was a set up or when she had those match points, it was y you were still thinking of her as like

Dominant world number one, big favorite for French Open with Rabakana, maybe Shvontek. And now all of a sudden only she had those losses, there's an injury concern. And I don't think there's any certainty around her now.

B

Yeah, f fascinating situation for Sabalenka to be in and one that we wouldn't have contemplated a few months ago when she was or weeks ago when she was doing the Sunshine Double. Um, hope she's fit and it does, you know, makes things interesting, doesn't it? Uh Nozkova next for Castea, incidentally. Uh defending champion Jasmine Paulini is out of the tournament and out of the top ten. Feels like that's been Yn ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud ymwneud.

Paolini's Top Ten Drop & Gauff's Struggles

It was tough. It felt it felt inevitable even though she had those match points somehow. Um and maybe now she's got that Rome title defence out of the way and having this top ten tag around her neck out of the way, I don't know, maybe it'll free her up. Maybe the Problems run deeper than that. Time will tell. Uh it is Mira Andreva next for Elisa Mertens. Um let's talk about Coco Got. She survived her opener against the Sierra.

C

Yeah.

B

In lots of ways textbook, Coco Goth, Winning Ugly, Five Seven, Six Love. six four and the whole way through I'm I'm hearing Matt Roberts in my ringing in my ears Cocoa Coffee's never as high as you think and never as low as you think. And then a text drops from Matt Roberts Saying I've never seen Goth lose her composure like this.

C

Like

B

i it i we we've seen her do all sorts of ugly things on a tennis court and win anyway. We've uh she's the master at it. It's it's an absolute sight to behold. But she was sort of self harming.

uh points during this match yesterday, Charlie. And she she c gave some very frank comments after the match saying, um, thing she's had things off the court that she's been trying to get through. She said it's been going on for a few months and She has good days and bad days, but it It's a tough watch for Coho Golf right now, which means she'll probably go on and win the tournament, obviously.

C

Yeah.

Coco Gauff's Personal Issues on Court

Yeah, it was. I mean, it was like watching Andre Rublev on a bad day, quite frankly. Like there was a lot of smashing her head with her racket, smashing her head with her hand. Like it was really uncomfortable, sort of frequent acts of self yeah, of self flagellation. Um and yeah, we spoke to her afterwards. I mean i because I I found it quite reminiscent of that period towards the end of

Brad Gilbert in twenty twenty four of her working with Brad Gilbert in twenty twenty four. Wha those defeats to Emma Navarro at Wimbledon in the US Open where, you know, she was kind of despairing to her box and it was quite an uncomfortable watch. And then she talked about how she didn't want to play like that anymore.

Um so I I wondered if it was something to do with that. But yeah, she she spoke after about how yeah, it was stuff happening, uh, you know, kind of personal stuff. Um which yeah, I mean, you know, pla players go through things and you know, have days where they just don't really want to be out there. But it's a job like any other and they have to. And she talked about the fact as well that I she didn't say this. She said just that, you know, there are lots of people

in her team and things like that as well. And she wanted to go out for them. And that's I guess different from most of us, because if most people don't show up for work, whatever there aren't you know, people as directly affected maybe. Or may maybe for some people they are, but yeah, that was that was

B

You're directly shaped by Matt not showing up for work.

C

That is true. Yeah. And I hope he knows that and feels guilty if ever he doesn't show up. Um but yeah, it was it was very uncomfortable. And like good honour for fronting up and

You know, it can't have been easy having to then talk I'm sure she really didn't want to talk about it. And she said she was like, It's hard because she was like, I always wanna be candid and honest, but that's about my tennis. I can't go into personal stuff, which is obviously completely understandable and as well, you just hope that there isn't, you know, a ton of speculation and that kind of thing which

B

Yeah.

C

Exactly. Well honestly it was one of those ones where it's like you don't like and I don't think any of us who were there really did. Uh there weren't many of us there was only I think a few of us. But you're like we don't if you do report this, it is I mean, and obviously those quotes get out um anyway, but it just you know, it sets off this like stream of endless speculation and yeah, I think it's I think it's tough for her. I I just hope she can

in start to enjoy it a bit more on the you know, cause sometimes players find it a bit of a sanctuary being on court. Um you know, kind of and they're able to switch off and go into a different mindset. But yeah, she was just hating it. I mean it was the weirdest thing. She won the second set, six last

And she looked like she was hating every minute of it. There was n like if you were watching that and you were asked like what what's the score of this seven? If you were telling that that player had just won the set six level

Not s like e you know, y and we're we all get in those moods that even when you're when you're in such a mood that even like good things you're annoyed they kind of annoy you in some way as well. You're just like, Oh well yeah, of course I've hit this good shot now. Why couldn't I've done that, you know, when it was tight in the first set that I lost and uh Yeah, but um yeah, at least you won. I mean it that's the th overall though, I mean I've written about

It's been a we talk endlessly about how these you know first week of these two week masters are so slow and so boring and nothing happens. I feel like this was a pretty action packed first week. Like lots of upsets, lots of intrigue, lots of off court stuff. Th i there was loads going on. Um and and this this was you know, this felt like this might be kind of the story of that Saturday. And then obviously

Sabelenka goes and loses and there's Fonseca, Majedovic, like there was there was loads happening. And Oje Aliasima, don't think it's you know, he he did an underarm serve because he was cramping so badly down match point and saved it. And then lost the next match point. Like it was a pretty wacky day and a wacky week overall.

B

Yeah. You know things are happening when Felix Auger Leusim is being described as wacky. Um not just the players getting injured, Francisco Roig has ruptures.

Swiatek's Coach's Achilles Injury

In practice?

C

Uh activity at a Roman piazza that they so e Iger likes this game where you sort of play in the service boxes and volley to each other, and he's apparently a really good volleyer. So she was like, Oh, he'll love this game. Let's play against each other, put a hundred Euros on it, make it a bit of fun. She's up match point, at which point he stretches for a shot. I mean, he's like fifty eight, by the way. So like

And I'm sure he's going at you know, he's a competitive person, I'm sure he's like absolutely going at it. Stretches, tears his Achilles. But apparently is like and in front this is like in front of the watching public apparently like really holds it together. It like barely shows any emotion.

B

I mean...

C

It has to be like, yeah, I think I've done something quite bad. Goes to Poland and back to have surgery and talking about it he missed one day's work apparently. He missed one training session uh to have this operation. And then yeah, you see him kind of

hoisting himself around on crutches, he's watching with big bandage on his leg. I mean he looks seriously uncomfortable. And then it's like, well how how is he gonna coach? I mean, obviously, you know, this is like a nine month recovery period and he's gonna be there just sort of on the side, watching and encouraging, I guess.

B

Yeah, on heavy pain medication, presumably. W wacky tactics incoming from from Igor Shontex. Um it was a bit of a bit of a nail biter, wasn't it, David? Her opener against Casey McNally. Um Who's having a you know p sh putting putting a season together is Casey McNally now that she's fit.

Swiatek's Tough Win Against McNally

failed to serve the match out twice. It got very got very tense. Did this match for Igor Schwantek had the had a lot of the hallmarks of one of those matches that we've seen a lot of recently that Shantek seemed in total control of and then suddenly it's slipping away and it Like she's in quicksand button. She got it together um and boy did she get it together in her second match that we've just watched against Elisabetta Cocharetto just absolutely blew her away.

A

Yeah. Um if the uh the history's anything to go by, um she'll now go and win the tournament because uh when she lost the set to Katie McNally at Wimbledon, she was the only one to do so. Um she went and won the tournament. Um and and yeah, as you say, sure sure enough, she's gone and just ripped through Cocharetta today, who I think wasn't a hundred percent fit herself, and and that is a repeat of of last year's same score line.

against Cochoretto. Yeah, I I I think McNally is a player who who is just so different, she can ask questions that the vast majority just don't. And she totally believes in her own game. She's I think she gets a kick out of the fact that her game is A different and B affects people.

Um and and I think the biggest thing is she's just so happy to be back'cause she's just had such a a terrible time with injury. Um And it there was quite quite a warmth at the net because uh uh Sriantech knew she knew she'd been pushed and it had been hard work and it had been

stressful and tiring and and and McNally knew that she'd done that to her as well and kind of almost got the win and I think that they both they both enjoyed that match in a in s in some strange sort of way. Um but I don't know, I I think all ultimately This is all part of the building of um as Fiontek back into the player she wants to be on clay.

C

Can I just say on McNally as well? I was really intrigued to watch her after hearing David, you kind of sum up her game and her comeback a bit. And she, watching live on the court, she has incredible anticipation. Like she that was the thing that stood out. She she care.

And it's not guessing, it's like educated guesswork. She kept reading where Shriante was gonna go. There was one point where Shriante was right up at the net, lets the ball bounce, and it's basically just, you know, put away an easy shot. McNally rushes forward herself to meet it on the volley. It was incredible and she got it back. She she lot ended up losing the point. But it was like an extraordinarily kind of vacuum.

kamikaze tactic, but worked. And that was what won her the tie break. She got there she got some shots that somehow landing in, but it did feel like a consequence of the fact that she kept reading where Sviontek was going. Because Shvantek got dragged into that third set because she was putting herself in winning positions but just couldn't quite finish the point. But I think it'll be good practice, you know, th that kind of more patient point construction. It wasn't the Shriontech we've seen

you know, for much of the last year where she's kind of got a bit ragged and gone for too much. Like this was this was more patient and and more sustainable. Hmm.

WTA Title Contenders and Dark Horses

B

Favourite for the title from here? We're back in a back in a

C

Yeah.

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C

Yeah. Rebecca does look good. She is in that s that kind of I mean business kind of mode. Just so efficient. Taking the ball early. Some of her returns today against Ayala were devastating. And I know Ayala's not exactly the biggest server. But um I g I guess there's always that qu slight question mark over back on her is, you know, does she have the durability for a two week event? I know that's something Matt's often picked up Matt Roberts often picked up on. Um but she yeah, at this point.

She's looking pretty good as well.

B

David, your favourite from here? תודה רבה. תודה רבה.

A

Absolutely. I mean she's played the best tennis that I've seen in the tournament so far today against Hailey Baptiste. She was absolutely stunning. Um from start to finish. Just won comfortably. I think Baptiste had a bit of a a bit of a rocky day. I think to get a scoreline of I think it was six two six one or six two one six two, to get something like that, you're gonna have to have them both.

at the at the opposite extremes of their talent in a way, because they're Baptiste is too good to be losing like that, really, most of the time. But yeah, everything Svicilina hit was coming off. She's she's been really good at this tournament before. Wouldn't be surprised to me like to use the mix analogy, I wouldn't be at all surprised if she ended up winning this tournament. But as a favourite

Yeah, I think I'd still go with one of the two you've mentioned. Um, especially as Goff doesn't look happy at the moment. I mean, you know, she's the reigning French Open champion, so I think you've always gotta put her in in that conversation as well. But Rebecca looks serene and Shanet looks like she's building. So it's a really interesting tournament. Does it doesn't feel categorical?

B

Mm. Picking up where she left off from from Madrid. She's qualified. Uh sh beating Nikola Bartonkova in qualifying incidentally, who herself is through to what is it, a round of sixteen now?'Cause Bartonkova beat uh Madison Keys today. So she qualified, beating Botankova on the way and she's beaten Ludmilla Samsonova and Carolina Mukova. Potopova. I mean this is this is serious stuff from her now. Uh she's got Jessica Pagula next, which

I don't mean maybe Waterwave is a favourite for that. I d I don't know.

C

Yeah, I I did ask SpotPov right now, I was like, the way you're playing, like, do you fear anyone? But you know,'cause I feel like she's the kind of player who no one is gonna wanna play right now. And you know, she she didn't wanna she said she was like, I don't wanna be cocky about it, but clearly the self belief is just

Yeah, a little bit, exactly. Like, absolutely. But w she should be really confident. And like how impressive after that Madrid Open run, as you say, to go and qualify. Like, you know, that's that's a pretty tricky turnaround and pretty you know, it's kind of a rankings quirk that she had to do that.

Um and yeah, that Barton Cova win has aged pretty well. Incidentally, I asked Pot Pova Potpova was asked about Barton Cover and how impressed she was. And she was like, Yeah, I would just she was kinda blown away by how good She was and she's been a really fun story this last week here.

B

holding my fantasy team together is Barton Cova at the moment. Barton Cova and Kaboli leading the line for me.

C

Wow.

Arraga.

C

I used the word sustainable before and I'm I'm not sure I'd use that here.

B

Yeah, my safe bet is Arena Sabalenka. What on earth is going on?

Olenikova's WTA Silencing Allegations

Um, just finally before we move on to the men, uh wanted to touch upon the um Alexandra Olinikova story from this week that um's got quite a lot of coverage. Charlie, I know you've covered it and and talked to her as well. this week. So um Olenikova, um, who's been making herself more and more relevant this year, career high ranking of sixty eight in the world right now. You know, she's getting into these

the main draws consistently. She's making herself uh increasingly a factor. She lost to Linda Noskova in uh in round two in Rome, but She had posted while she was still in the tournament, um to Instagram some criticism of the WTA for what she considers attempts to effectively silence her. She said in the Instagram post that she's been threatened with fines of tens of thousands of dollars and with disqualification by the WTA.

over her criticism of specific Russian and Belarussian tennis players, including uh Belarusian world number one Irina Sabalenko. I mean that's that's quite a story.

C

Yeah, yeah, it is. And and obviously I mean it is especially awkward because I was talking to asking her questions about this, you know, asking her to I guess elaborate or whether she stands by it and obviously a WTA press officer, an employee, is right there. Um not that that made her hold back at all. You know, she

B

It's like the moh um

C

Yeah, exactly. The mix zone.

B

familiar this we with the awkward with the press officer with his phone out in the background.

C

Exactly. Um Yeah, I mean she and she is absolutely um resolute in her stance. You know, she and and and because then as well she was calling out um Karen Hachanov and Veronika Kudomatova for she alleges wearing um I think the S St George symbol, which is like this Russian military insignia. Yeah, I mean i it's such a hu I mean listen as well, because obviously when she was talking, she's very emotional. It's such an emotive subject. I mean, like her dad is fighting for the Ukrainian army. Um her

Uh her flat back in Kiev has they've been you know, it's shaken because of drone strike. She's been left without water and all of this stuff. She's got like all the

B

only top Ukrainian player that still lives and trains in Ukraine, I I believe. Yeah.

C

I think that's right. And and obviously has like all these players, has lots of family and friends there. So Yeah, she she is not holding back. And obviously, yeah, in January she came to our attention both with her you know, she she played so brilliantly and so unusually, um, you know, with the Moon Balls against Madison Keys, but then talked about how

na you know, naming as well,'cause that's the thing as well, that often pla players will kind of talk in generality. She didn't. She talked about Sabalenko and she made some allegations about Sabalenko as well in in respect of Lukashenko, the Belarussian president. Um so this is not a story I don't think that's gonna go away because you know, I asked her about you know, you're are you gonna Keep talking about this. Are you you know

Are you gonna refuse to be silenced because in she alleges that attempts have been made to do that? And she basically says, Uh, yeah, I've decided you know, I can't I can't do anything else. I have to I have to do this.

WTA Rules and Russia-Ukraine War

B

Did d does the W T A actually have those powers to

C

Well...

B

What grounds do they have to fine her or disqualification? Like w uh what clause and rules would that would that be? I d I don't quite understand that. What jurisdiction is.

C

In their rule book there are rules about sort of calling out people specifically. I mean there's actually if you read their rule book, there's this quite like Orwellian line which would obviously never be enforced because this is a rule that must be broken every tournament. But it says a player shall not address criticism of a tournament sponsor player official, the WTA or the WTA tour to the media or public.

All such complaints should be forwarded to the Supervisor Player Relations or WTA operation. I mean, isn't that extraordinary? Imagine if that was actually adhered to. Pla players would just would be getting w would be would uh will be breaching that every tournament. I mean, we we're we're here discussing a potential boycott. But I guess, you know, more pertinently or more actually enforceable, there is a bit um

Also in the heart it also in the rule book talking about um yeah, disparaging uh or being you know, things that be harmful or prejudicial to against any person, group or people, tournament sponsor, player official, the WTA, the WTA tour. So I think it y you know, it it's trying to stop people from singling other people out. And b uh because if if done in bad faith, obviously that would be pretty irresponsible if you had like a leading player

calling out a lesser ranked player and inciting a pylon or worse. Um but yes, it i it is I mean th they'cause obviously we put this to the WTA heck because they're such serious allegations. And they didn't address the allegation specifically, but they do talk about how it is like an extremely delicate situation. Which it is. Let's not pretend it's easy when bec you know, no sport is affect is as affected by

the Russia Ukraine war as tennis, I don't think even close. The fact that it's there are so many, especially on the WTA side. There are so many top women's players from Russia and from Ukraine and it's an individual sport and you have this moment at the end of each match where there's a handshake and so there's this kind of ready made crucible for all these tensions.

to be exposed. Um and, you know, this is coming off the back of the Kostchuk Andreva final. So it i it is extremely pertinent. And actually Svitolina was asked about uh Olnikova earlier today and whether she'd had much contact with her. Um and she said she hasn't really been able to fully engage with this story but wants to um and kind of understand more of what's going on.

B

Hmm. Yeah, I was pretty shocked to r to read that those were levers that the WHA were able to pull in circumstances like this, honestly. Um, but there we go. Um yeah, heck of a story. Uh that's it for part two. We'll be back in part three to talk about the men.

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ATP Rome: Prizmic's Djokovic Upset

B

Welcome back to part three of today's tennis podcast. Quite a lot of uh illness and injury in this section of the show as well. So I hope you've enjoyed uh what we've had so far in illness and injury because that that is the theme. Um in fact the theme is is I I don't know if this is a theme, but Matt has pointed out for us here in the agenda that uh the seeds three through six uh on the men's side all failed to win a match at this tournament. I I mean

Yeah. Dropping like flies, apart from Yannick Sinner and Alexander Zverov, who seem on a collision course to meet in a another thoroughly underwhelming final. Um let Start, shall we, David, with um the breaking news that a group chat has been renamed.

A

Yeah, yes. Uh this is a group chat that comprises Catherine, Matt, myself and Catherine's brother Math. Uh and used to be called uh Alcarazmatas. Um Anton.

B

Will be again in the future, I believe.

A

Yeah, it's now been renamed Dino Saurin. Uh because of the

B

Yeah.

A

Yeah. It happened about three hours ago and it came off the back of Dino Prismich getting a getting a back up win. Uh following his uh his breakthrough result against Novak Djokovic. I mean Dina Prismit's been on the on our radar for two and a half years, ever since he played Djokovic at the Australian Open and really pushed him and kind of just looked like

He looked like one of Djokovic's first clones, you know, one of the sort of people that has just very clearly admired him growing up and and he he has indeed, he's idolized him. He's actually Croatian as opposed to Serbian, but he He's got a similar build. similar kind of way of moving on the baseline, doing the sort of front on, uh leg splay def defensive

strokes, he's got he he's he's certainly developed a whiplash forehand. We've we've learnt that over the last uh uh few days. Um and and I mean after that incredible result or or performance against Djokovic which he ended up losing, I think I think it was very easy to get carried away and assume that this guy is already here and arrived. He was 18 at the time. He he's not been able to break through into the the the full AT B tour. I mean a lot of that is injury based. He he's been very

B

Horrible injuries, I think.

A

It's been very badly inhibited, but I also think he's his game w wasn't uh wasn't actually ready. We uh I think it looked ready on the night, but when you actually have seen it since, it didn't really stand up and obviously not helped by the fact that his body was breaking down all the time.

Suddenly he's started qualifying for a lot of big tournaments. You know, he's been in that sort of ranking zone and if you look at his results throughout the year, a lot of it is qualified, qualified, qualified, might not have won many matches, but was getting into the draws. Suddenly he's he's made some progress in in draws over the last month, and now he's beaten Djokovic.

Djokovic's first match in a long time and frankly l looked in really i ill health himself. Uh he was actually sick on court, wasn't he? He was in a bad way after a very good first set for him. Um but he just got ground down and then

Prismit's gone and backed it up again today, um w with a with a good win. So you know Who knows what his future holds but it's not Look, I'm I'm a bit biased to the Croatians, having a Croatian wife, um and uh and and been waiting for a uh a a male player to come along who could do something from Croatia and he he certainly looks promising.

B

I'm I'm biased just because of the way he plays tennis. I f f frigging love watching the guy in spite of his head and facial hair. Um that is how much I love his tennis.

Djokovic's Health and Roland Garros

A

Why don't you like his facial hair?

B

Prepared to overlook all of his poor style choices. Um but I mean the the the back up when and look Hugo and Bear on Clay is is No I mean, you go and bear on anything recently is no great shakes, but definitely on clay, no great shakes. But still, the backup win Is not a bigger deal than the Djokovic win, but certainly tells me something significant beyond the Djokovic win because Djokovic

was I mean, was not okay in that match, was he telling? I mean there were lots of rumours circulating that he wasn't even gonna gonna take to the court. He had one of those kind of power outages, um the I mean, was was definitely circumstantial. I mean he was clearly suffering with something. But we have also seen these from Novat Djokovic, haven't we? We saw a bit of one in the Australian Open final where he just suddenly

C

Yeah.

B

Yeah, it's like someone's unplugged. Like that happens quite dramatically to him these days. I mean he is about to turn 39, right? Like he's about to turn 39. I I we've got absolutely no data to go on really, have we, on on where he's at ahead of Roland Garros and and nor does he.

C

No, and he's not gonna play he's not gonna do a Geneva like last year. It was quite weird'cause I asked him that, I said like do you think you will do another Geneva or equivalent? Half expecting him to be like, Well, I've just come off the court, I don't know and he was like, No.

So I said like w like why? Because obviously that worked pretty well last year and he just said like the decision's been made. It's quite strange. I mean, given he's played this year even less Or or no, I guess the same, wasn't it,'cause he lost he just played Madrid and went out in the first round or his first match.

B

Did work pretty well for him last year. I mean okay he lost a center, but he he played well.

C

It was really good. Brilliant against Ferev in the quarters. Um and and it was a straight sets win for Cinner, but it was a lot closer than that. Like it was a it was a really good contest. Um Yeah, I mean it's just like How do you try and draw conclusions from this? Like yes, obviously all logic says he's by then he'll be thirty nine, he's got no matches, that's not ideal. But he's still gonna be my second.

B

Charlie, you've got no masses.

C

Yeah, legs. But like it still wouldn't be a huge surprise if he got it together. Um The the worry is that he just gets one of these power outages earlier in the tournament and it's not something he can find a way through. Like and and maybe if this had been at a major somehow he would have, you know, taken sufficient painkillers or whatever to to find a way through. But um

Yeah, he he he he wasn't able to do it. I mean it was it was actually Sabalenko was then quite reminiscent because even though clearly, yes, Prismit was playing an ailing opponent, it's still bloody hard to put away someone who's so bloody minded and so good. um and so used to winning and and Prismit did really well, especially as like the atmosphere on court was it was like Davis Cup style. I mean it was so pro Novak and he talked about that afterwards.

You know, obviously he still he just he really appreciates that kind of love wherever he goes. Um so Prismage still did pretty well to to keep his composure. And as you say, Catherine, backing it up, how many times you've seen a player not doing it, that that was really impressive. Again, he uh you know, he he feels pretty serious. Like he's he's not messing around.

Well

C

Yeah, I mean like I think it's it's hard not to feel things watching him play. Like he's got a lot about him, he's got a lot of power. I mean I know Novak said that it was like playing a mirror when they played at the Australian Open that time, but I don't really see that so much. Like I I can see Yes, there are elements, but I feel like he's more explosive, certainly than Novak was at that age.

B

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A

That was.

B

From the special drawer. Yeah.

C

W and Djokovic did pick up on that. He said to him apparently at the Djokovic said he said to Prismich at the net, like wow, your forehand has got mm a lot better from when we last played and it does look that way.

B

Hm. Yeah. He's he's exciting, I think. Um David.

Carlos Alcaraz Hip Injury Withdrawal

Apparently really good because they all are. Um this was a real worry though for Artifiece. It was instantly, you know, just so instantly looked like a problem. Uh, went off court for a medical timeout, came back on, tried to continue playing, so obviously needed to stop, mercifully did stop. um didn't try and play through it. He uh has uh given a statement afterwards saying uh it was pain in the hip, um needs to do some tests, doesn't want to take any risks.

ahead of Ronald Garros. It is a worry.

A

Hm. Yeah, I mean this is far from a uh a medical analysis, but I did not look the like the look of the look in his eye. Uh after the third game. and he just stood there, hands on hips, looking at his support team. His dad and his coach Ivan Sinkush uh Goran Ivanizovich was was not there this week. Um And he just he just looked in in a bit of shock, uh uh in a and and fear. He looked in fe uh he looked scared to me. Uh wha oh no what have I done?

You know, um It's it's been too good to be true almost his comeback and

B

Um

A

the results he's had and the the manner in which his body has seemingly just stood up to it all without any problems whatsoever. I mean I just wasn't expecting that And look, this may just be maybe maybe he's felt a twinge and he's scared and he's sensibly just pulled out. That's the best case scenario. But he's having an MRI tomorrow. Um

We'll find out then. I guess, you know, that's that and I remember that happening But what what concerns me is that's what happened after he managed to beat Jame Munar at Roland Garros in that incredible match and somehow got through it and

B

David went back and found our podcast title from that. Night which was Artifice lights up long land, but is he

A

That's what it was, yeah. He didn't lie to anything this time, but he might still be fucked. Um but the the the the truth is that it We we can't know and but that that's when we found out the severity of his injury and we saw him once in eight months for two rounds of a tournament that he shouldn't have played in Canada later that year.

And I just hope against hope. And I would for anybody. Obviously I after Feast is my favourite player. I definitely want him to be able to Sure what he can do at Roningaros, you know, fully fit, but it's scary to think that that he might have another problem of that ilk, so let's just keep the fingers crossed that he hasn't.

B

Uh men's tennis needs him. Like threadbare. It's it's it's a tough scene if he's gone. Um I I d yeah, I hips and backs, stress fractures in lower backs, hips, it's a really common um like twin set of injuries. This um yeah, really worries me.

Men's Tournament Intrigue and Injuries

C

Yeah, I mean you look without him with him now gone obviously from this tournament and yeah it's it's tough to find, you know, much intrigue or subplots really on the men's side with Cinner just feeling In a different league from everyone.

B

Can you Felix Orgelia seem Charlie?

C

Yeah, there was that. I mean that that was shaping up to be a classic. In all seriousness, I mean that match had already been they'd been playing like three hours to get through two sets. I was thinking, God, if this goes to a decider this could be one of the longest three set matches basically ever played.

B

It's it's the second time he's cramped this year, Felix seems weird, isn't it? I mean there's sort of no question mark over him fitness wise and I'm always, you know, very keen to bang the drum if cramp very much not always being or very often not being a um a fitness related thing. But for somebody who's got no sort of particular history of cramping to suddenly be a a cramper in these long physical matches is pretty bizarre.

C

Um just the weird and wacky world of Felix, Catherine.

B

Always. It's just the roller coaster right there. following the life and times of Felix. Uh Lorenzo Muzzetti um lit it up on the Foro Italico, but is he fucked? Uh, it was a a hell of a match against Francisco de Sarindolo. Two straight sets, drama, crowd, like it was so much fun. But you had the sort of imposing presence of the Lorenzo Mazzetti heavily strapped thigh.

the whole time and is clearly worsening physical condition in this feeling that if he doesn't get it done in two, I don't think he's got a third set in him and I I rather worry that he doesn't have a A third match in him against Caspar Rood. I I think he's he's on the mega worry list, I'm afraid.

C

Yeah, and he was so he was really emotional at the end of the match and you know, he said it was just the Obviously being at home and and that kind of thing, but you wonder how much that was a factor in it too. But again, just like killing any potential subplots because Mazzetti in Italy is a fun subplot. They love him here. He him on clay is just such a joy to watch.

But yeah, how much longer does that story have to run here? Um and and then you worry for the French. And I mean last year he you know it Easy to forget, he led Alcraz by a set in the semi final. Um and then his body gave out then. Just like it did in Australia where yeah, where he was two sets up against Novak. So yeah, another play you just wish could stay healthy, but you you do worry about the the durability and I mean I do think this the clay court season as it is now.

And Cinner maybe is making a mockery of this, but you j you just can't really play all of go deep in all of the or even have uh uh play more than a few matches in any i i i if you want to play all of the one thousands on the men's side and look em and Mazzetti did last yeah, he went deep in all of them and then his body just gave out. Like it's basically impossible now.

B

Yeah, and I mean Yannick's in it. is the exception. I mean this is a guy that described um he said he um how did he phrase it? I put it in the group yesterday, David. He recovered during Madrid. That's how he put it. He said, Yeah, I was really tired after you know, he was talked to he was asked about putting together this sequence of Masters one thousand.

winds and uh the change of surfaces and everything and he said yeah, I was really tired after the Sunshine Double and winning Monte Carlo but I I recovered during Madrid. So

Jannik Sinner's Dominant Rome Performance

That I think tells you everything you need to know about men's tennis at the moment. Uh let's let's talk about Yannick Sidder, the one match of his we've seen so far. Um three and four against Sebastian Offner, incredibly efficient. He's got Alexei Popper in next who is a totally randomly beating Matteo Barrettini and Jakob Menchik back to back. I don't understand Alexei Poperin.

at all. Um Darth Sinner is my absolute favourite sinner. Why doesn't he wear black always? He should be the Johnny Cash of the tennis world. What are Nike playing at?

C

I yeah, he it looked great last night, I have to say. He him on the main court, the forward Italico, evening match, it was it was a really a really cool vibe. I mean his match would have like A big proportion of that match was taken up for stoppages because people in the crow I think that one of them was unwell and then there was another one. Like that honestly added about must have been like ten to fifteen minutes to to that match length. Um it was unbelievably comfortable.

B

I mean... There's not a whole lot to say, is there?

C

No, I mean...

B

probably gonna win this title and use use the week to recover further.

C

When you look at the top half, the whole half, like not even like a section, the half is j there is it's so hard to make a case for anyone To win a set, let alone beat him, I would say. Or even nearly win a set. No, he's not he's in the box.

B

I'm I'm looking for B plots, Charlie.

C

No there's there's no nothing like that.

B

Yeah. Nothing. Okay.

C

Yeah.

B

Daniel Meverev is in his house. He hasn't even had a match.

C

Yeah. So I I was thinking like yes, May Medvedev given they had that good match fairly recently, but On clay, I I mean Me Medvedev could play Kaboli in the fourth round, which is a standalone thing would be quite fun. I would quite enjoy that. Which is probably w you know, you've got to get your kicks somehow on the men's side, you know, just enjoy the just enjoy the matches even if they feel pretty inconsequential.

B

Where are you getting your kick, David?

A

In the bottom half of the It's extraordinary the level he's he's able to just produce and reproduce and because it's so efficient it doesn't get The headlines really. I it just doesn't. But my God he deserves all the credit in the world for for the way he's gone from what he was, say, four years ago to what he is now. I mean he was a good player then, you know, he was a good really good player, good prospect, but the way he's turned himself from

very good player to absolute champion and overwhelming favourite all the time. It's just something to to behold. Uh the the only thing is though There is no reason why he might not get injured. I mean I I I don't wish that on him of Listen, obviously I don't wish that on him at all. He is not immune to injury and and what we're seeing.

B

Well, I think that's a good thing.

A

I mean, you know, if we end up having a boycott, we're gonna be looking for different stories.

C

I mean one thing I would say about him is I was marvelling last night at some of his drop shots, which have become a real feature of his game, especially on the clay. You've got to set and and that's what defined all the greats or has defined all the greats.

think of on the men's side more recently, Djokovic, Feder and Adal, they all made really big changes to their game. For Cinnam to have done that already, and the fact that he literally went away after losing that US seven final was like, I need to add more variety. I need to do more of what Carlos is doing. And here we are and he is doing it and he's doing really effectively. He's just done it.

B

Like

C

Yeah.

B

Yeah. so clearly remember i that Miami final against Daniel Medvedev a few years ago. Um where he'd just watched Al Krauz beat Medvedev in the Indy or I assume he'd watched it in the Indian Wales final where he just pulled his pants down with drop shots, exploiting his

court position, it was a master class and Cinner tried to do something sim similar'cause it's such an obvious play. And he just couldn't he just wasn't very good at it. Like he he was he was okay he wasn't embarrassingly bad at it, but he just obviously wasn't a drop shot guy. He's a drop shot guy now. Like they're really good.

C

It's a mess.

Medjedovic's Thrilling Win, Fan Reactions

B

It's always the thing that I think is kind of l least learnable, th those instincts. Um yeah, i is unreal. Uh should we end on some kicks? I reckon you both got Some kicks from Hamad Majedovich against Joel von Chapel. W were kicks had?

C

Yeah. Yeah. That's it that's a classic middle of a tournament, e weekend evening. Barnstormer, you know, two sets of fans going at it. Yeah, that's brilliant. But that's kind of what I make. Like you can ha you can still find those stories, those things are great. It's just when it gets to the latter stages that you're like, Oh, this is a real bummer because

W we we know where this is going. But earlier on in the tournament, yeah, you can get them. But I mean, unbelievable that Miledovic was able to come back and win that after like how cl how narrowly he missed on that match point. And then he goes and wins what's it eleven of the last twelve points of the match after kind of resetting, having been broken, trying to serve it out. Pretty much.

B

Steph Curry, night night.

C

Yeah.

B

Are you into that, David?

A

Oh yeah. No, he's he I like the fact that he just Looks looks at the crowd and just says, Come on then, I'll take you all on you know, and he he he doesn't hide the fact that he's pissed off with with with things that have been said and He's fine.

B

Have you seen the comments from Von Secker after the match? in Brazilian but they've been translated and I I I I've checked and they do s does seem to be a reliable translation. Um he's Pff I mean criticize is probably a step too far, but kind of criticize Certainly the fans that were at that match last night, y you know, he was asked about the vociferous support he gets that we love, you know, and I I don't think I've ever seen m Brazilian supporters do anything that I would consider kind of

crossing the line. I don't know, I I didn't see every every point of that match last night, but he von Secke said that they're not just hurting my opponent, they hurt me too. That's pretty Pretty bold.

C

I did see yeah, these were mentioned to me earlier actually and I because I thought of this in relation to Ayala and I actually asked her about this earlier in the week that sometimes is is it almost and she didn't sort of

agree necessarily. And and it's a hard thing because you don't want to be like criticizing your own supporters. With her I was saying, you know, does it does it can it sometimes kind of add a pressure and almost there almost be a discomfort when it's so partisan and you know that it Your it's giving your opponent something to rally again.

B

I often wonder if there's a bit of a locker room thing as well. Oh, you with all your fans.

C

Exactly.

B

You know, you haven't done anything but you've got all your fans out there for you, have you? Like

C

Totally.

B

I know what tennis locker rooms are like. Particularly the ATP ones. Like I I can imagine it's a bit of it's a bit of that.

C

Well I can imagine f I can imagine feeling a bit awkward about it because you know you have been elevated to a place where you you haven't yet fully justified and you didn't ask for that hype or attention and adulation and all of that or like cues round the block for your matches when you're only You know, obviously they're high ranked now, but when you're ranked barely inside the world's top hundred, like that is just a bit of an uncomfortable dynamic. So I did think that was interesting.

B

Then it's also something that most players would kill for, right?

C

Of course. Of course.

B

There is that energy towards them in the locker room. It probably partly comes out of jealousy. So to criticise it is No i p yeah, it it's a tricky one I think.

C

It's a net positive, definitely. And I and I think this from Fontaine Cruz was a quite specific thing. You know, I don't think he's saying I don't want loads of support. I think it's saying I don't want I I don't think it's great when it oversteps the mark and there are probably times when it does. I don't know I d I d

I wasn't close enough to it to really be able to say. Um and it's always quite a fine line. But I think when it goes into the thing of like really getting at the opponent, um, I think that's when people start to feel a bit uncomfortable.

Yeah.

A

Espe especially if your opponent ends up playing better as a result. Then it is hurting you, isn't it?

Rome Title Predictions & Podcast Outro

B

Well I hope I hope the Brazilian fans fans aren't put off because we have gotta get our kicks where we can. That is the learning from uh from today's pod. Uh Charlie, who you picked for the title from here? Titles.

C

Feared you might ask me that. I mean obviously center on the men's um and on the women's, I'll go eager.

B

Mm. That would be fun, wouldn't it, going into all of that resurgent? Easy on tech narrative wise. Uh David, you have the right to pause because I'll be able to ask you on uh Thursday, I think we're recording, maybe Friday morning, midweek pod anyway. But you're welcome to give unsolicited pr solicited predictions right now if you like.

A

Fine, I'll just leave Charlie out to dry. I'll I'll pass. Yeah.

B

You'll pass. Okay. I mean you could you can take Yannick Sinna if you want and just you know Standing order in Vienna Cinnarin.

A

Okay then.

B

Yeah. Uh folks, that is it for today's podcast. Charlie, thank you so much for joining us from a hotel lobby in Rome.

C

Absolutely.

B

Yeah.

C

It's now, yeah, just as we finish recording, yeah, people are coming in. It's uh yeah, it's gonna be a big big Sunday night in Rome.

B

They're all Arsenal fans. Uh hello to our mascots Bodie, Maisie and Roger, to our top folks and executive producers Greg, Chris and Jeff. We are part of the Athletic Podcast Network and uh you definitely should check out Uh Charlie's reporting from Rome in The Athletic and all the other brilliant stuff uh that they're writing about. Uh no shout outs because what is a shout out without Matt Roberts? Uh those will be back. next episode which is David we're recording Thursday, Friday.

A

Friday morning, UK time, I believe.

B

It is in my diary, I promise. Haven't got my diary open because I'm devoting my attention to these two faces in front of me. Uh Charlie once again, thank you. We'll speak to you soon. Enjoy the rest of your time in Rome, which I think is limited travelling back to

C

Yes. I go ba I uh fly home tomorrow. So it's a a one week trip. Thank you.

B

Uh we will see you in Paris for chocolate made. Yes.

C

Very much looking forward to that.

B

I had uh I had um a family member get in touch asking for details of uh the chocolate moose surveyors in Paris.

C

I hope you told them that I'm not sure.

B

I told them to drop Matt Futterman's name.

C

Yeah.

B

It probably will is currency at Little.

C

I think so. By faith.

B

American mat.

C

American tennis man.

B

American tennis mat. Yeah.

A

I think he's been in touch to tell them not to sell any in the in the interim because

C

Well, I was gonna say that they do sometimes run out. That is really important to manage expectations'cause that is a crushing blow at the end of a long day. Yeah.

B

Last day of the Premier League season had a Champions League final aftermath to negotiate while in Paris.

C

Don't. It's too there's too much to deal with.

B

Rydyn ni'n meddwl, Charlie. Can't wait. Thanks again. Thank you all for listening. We'll speak to you on Friday.

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