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Hello and welcome to the tennis podcast, the second of our 18 daily Roland Garros podcasts from Paris. You find us in our usual spot in the foothills. of Philippe Chattray the crowds are filtering out of the exits around us because qualifying came to an end about half an hour ago and we'll bring you some notable results from that.
a little bit later on in the show in terms of what our day looked like today well officially it was media day where the majority of the requested players come through the
variously sized press conference rooms and areas to speak to the world media. We've spoken to pretty much all of them in one way or another between us today. I've spent most of my day in the main... press conference room you know don't bother with the riffraff just just the big names for me David though David has been loitering with gusto oh yes I've been in the area which has got new plans
and a nice little sort of table and chairs set up and a few little corners of the area and I basically just sat on the one chair and waited for people to come and arrive. The area has bounces.
this year to keep people out yeah i've had to do some sweet talking today to be able to stay in um which is a challenge because i don't speak french uh but they you know they seem to they seem to quite like me so i'm all right so far I tried to go into the area earlier to get some pictures of David loitering, always thinking of content first, me. Et j'ai arrêté par les balancers d'entrer l'arrière et j'ai dû dire, je suis only looking for someone. Je cherche l'entrée haut.
I'm searching for the very tall man and they said yep I know I know who you mean he's just left so that that was my day and David's day Matt Roberts tell us about your day Well... I find media day a tough day I think because it comes after draw day where I get so excited and I love draw day so much but I had a plan for today and that plan was to speak to Amanda and the Simova it sounds like a great plan doesn't it a plan that she was
She agreed to speak to it. She knew about the plan, she agreed to it. That wasn't going to have to do any loitering or anything. No, I had a pre-arranged time, 2.30. Great, that is, that's my day. That's my purpose today. Fantastic. and then looked at the practice schedule and realized that She was practicing between two and three with Coco Goff on Philippe Chattrayau.
Seemed like the sort of thing that she wouldn't want to interrupt for an interview with me. You underestimate yourself. So I had to go over to the... You underestimate yourself. ...and arrange these interviews for us and say, has anyone... Has anyone noticed this little wrinkle in the plan? Turns out, no! That interview was rearranged for tomorrow.
And you took that news really well, Matt. Well, I was ready. I was in the zone. And suddenly all my purpose for the day had been shifted to tomorrow. Quote, she's on a new list. I definitely could have dealt with it more gracefully, but here I am. Here we are, folks. So we've spoken to pretty much everybody apart from Amanda Anisimova, but Matt's got a date for tomorrow. Hopefully we'll be able to include that in our Loitering with Law, Brackets and Robert. Special. Yeah. For friends.
for friends that'll be up tomorrow for friends the tennis podcast david might bring you some some tidbits from it today but it was such a hit in australia it is returning for round two from roland garros um in terms of sort of the the significant names the the major the major names that that came through media day today look let's be honest honest here there were no there were no mic drop moments there were no there's no obvious Big headline. I don't think you know quite often there's
There's an injury doubt over somebody significant and they'll come in and go, I'm 100%. And that feels like a big, big moment knowing that one of the main contenders is fully fit. There wasn't anything like that today. It was a lot of good vibes. I think that's the headline. The headline is, what were the vibes like?
Certainly in the ones I went in. You were in much more of the main press conferences. David went to Art of Feast. David brought the vibes. I went to Art of Feast and honestly the day could have ended there because he did not disappoint.
He was incredible. I think he's got like the best aura in men's tennis Yeah, you came out and said he's got more or than Carlos Alcaraz. It's very very different or it's not it's not Labrador Puppy or it's you know it's Great Dane or but it boy is it aura yeah he he's just seems so
Quietly well not even quietly confident. He's super confident, but he manages to do it in a way that doesn't wind people up even the locker room you know he was talking about about how you know i have a great life i have a great life on the tour He started talking about how many friends he has. He said, if we're talking about my life, it's a good life. And somehow you don't hate him. Which is the same quality Carlos Alcaraz has. Roger Federer had it too. Mira Andreva has it.
yeah it's you know it's that i'd like to thank me twinkle in the eye stuff that he's got and a bit it's a bit cocky but it again I tell you, Roger Federer used to have it in those early, early days. There's a twinkle in the eye and I mean my question to Art of Feast to open the press conference was, you haven't won a match here. And he sort of grinned at me as if to say, you didn't have to bring that up.
How do you feel now? Because you've done a lot of winning over the last year and here you are, you know, you're coming in, there's a lot expected here. Do you feel different? He just seems to take it all in his stride, doesn't he? He doesn't seem to bother him. Yeah, and...
I actually don't think he minded you bringing that up at all because he's not brittle in the way that a lot of tennis players are. Some players you have to ask them you have to ask some questions about poor form or poor records in places and some you feel nervous about doing that and others you don't and i'm i'm guessing david you didn't feel nervous at all really asking that of artifice because because he he gets it he's got a lovely manner as well i mean he came in he said he said
It was notable that he didn't play the week before, for instance. He lost that match in Rome. He comes here. A lot of players are scrambling around trying to get form. He could have taken a big guarantee, no doubt, to have played somewhere, but he didn't. and they said, well how are you coping with the fact that you're the man?
This was in one of the French questions. I put the earphones and we get a translation, don't we? Which is such a useful thing for people like me that are not good with languages. And we're getting an instant translation. They said how do you not lose too much energy with all this sort of fuss around you? Which is one of my big concerns for him is he uses a lot of emotional energy on the court for instance
And he said, honestly, he says, I'm sorry for you guys, but my agent here, he's made sure I don't do too much media the last 10 days because it's tiring. You know, I like speaking to you guys, but I'd rather just basically do it today.
And I thought, this is a long-term approach from a tennis player in his camp. These are people that are thinking, this guy has actually got kind of greatness potential. And if you try and just... take all your opportunities at once as soon as you make it make a name for yourself you can exhaust yourself I thought it was also a reminder for me that Artifee's press conference of the culture among French players and press, the relationship they tend to have with one another is an incredibly...
positive and healthy one almost feels like a bit of a a bygone era a bit of a sort of legacy type relationship how Richard Evans describes things having been in the past I'm not suggesting artifice is necessarily you know, going to the Wimbledon Ball with Eric Salio. Eric Salio. But there's a very, there's a really healthy understanding of an ecosystem there. There isn't suspicion.
from French players towards French media and it's not that French media don't ask tough questions because they do but there's just culturally the players seem to understand that it It's part of the job and there's a trust there and I don't know whether that's because there's not quite the tabloid culture in... France that there is certainly in in the UK I wonder if it's because there's a lot of them that have been around forever
They've always been surrounded by the L'Equipe guys from the L'Equipe newspaper. There's a lot of journalists that take an interest in them early and they get used to it. Maybe that's part of it. I'd love to try and get a handle on what it is because it's very aspirational. Seeing seeing a healthy relationship between tennis players and media because it's it's all too all too rare I think last bit of artificial
I said there was no obvious headline from today. Matt, maybe I've buried the lead here. He's a glasses wearer. Is that right? And he's promised to wear glasses to his next press conference. So he wears contacts on court? He wears contacts on court. He was wearing contacts in the press conference, but he said only because he had been practicing. He said my default off court is to wear glasses like all the cool kids.
Including David Law now. Yeah. I only wear them for reading. But I do... It's a faff, isn't it? Getting them out all the time. And just, you know, I keep leaving them places. But anyway, it's good, because I can see now. I do have one more bit of Artifee. So I have a question, really.
what's his level of concern about Nicholas Jarry did that come up he didn't seem at all he said all the professional things that you're supposed to say about your first round opponent taking it for granted but he did also talk about winning multiple matches. He did talk about first few rounds. There was actually a great moment where he was asked about court assignments.
and whether he was, kind of what I'd been wondering, really, whether he was expecting to be put on Chatrier or Longlen. He's never played on Chatrier or Longlen before, and there was an amusing exchange with his... He kind of didn't want to... let on that he was hoping for big course assignments this time but equally he totally knew that that he's in a different bracket now.
I suspect that'll be Longlen rather than Chatrier and I hope so as well. I mean imagine the moments I might get in the first couple of rounds if he gets a Longlen. And we joke but... Jarry will bring his fair share of supporters as well. Oh yeah. He'll need them. The Chilean fans.
come out for Nicholas Jarry. They show up. And they show up with passion too. I love that match. So that genuinely will be a great atmosphere, I think, at that match. I think Longland's perfect court for that. Just Just final bit on Artifeez apparently he didn't want to do the social media feature that a lot of players were doing with some adorable rescue puppies. So he's not perfect. Is this fair of dogs? I think so. You might have had a bad experience as a kid.
Give them another chance, Autumn. We did have Alcaraz with a puppy content though. We had Katherine Whittaker content. I fraternised with the very same puppy that Carlos Alcaraz fraternised with. It was a real meeting of minds, that puppy and Carlos Alcaraz. I watched it in real time and I think that... content is going to do well on social media. They were having an equally good time. We have photographic evidence of Catherine watching it in real time as well.
Yeah, there was a moment where Catherine just moved over to a part of the press room where you would never be normally. He certainly wouldn't be standing like that. David came over and said... Is there something happening with a dog over there? Because I recognize that look on Catherine's face. There were three incredible rescue dogs and a lot of players did great content and it was all for an excellent cause and Well done everybody involved with that.
idea I asked if the dogs could stay for the fortnight apparently they've got they've got other bookings better than that weird table tennis thing they tried in interview room two last year that made us not be able to use it yes this was both more conveniently located and doggy so well done Roland Garros social media Yannick Sinner started another press conference with a clarification about his love life. Quote, there was no girl. This was so funny. It was a Danish journalist.
And I thought, oh, he's going to ask about Holgaruna. No. He said, you were singing in Copenhagen with a girl. What were you doing? And yeah, he clarified. There was no girl and then they asked a follow-up question just generally about his views on Copenhagen. He said you have nice parks.
Yeah, he started with a love life clarification and then moved on to sort of some... freelance PR for the Danish Tourist Board it was and then the next question was from Muscle Fuller of the BBC a very very serious question about whether he had attended the meeting that I think took place yesterday between top players and the Grand Slams and
Yannick Sinner just wasn't really prepared to talk about it, was he? So it was a real 180 from the start of that press conference which was odd and jokey and different to suddenly hard.
sort of political tennis question there was a real like oh wow he can handle it all though can't he like he just it was further evidence that like the modeling molly coddling of tennis players in press conferences is just not necessary like yannick senna said i don't really want to talk about that and that was that was fine like it'd been great if he did want to talk about it but he's a grown-up and he can say i respect the question
Not something I want to talk about. Yeah, 100%. It's one of the things I love about press conferences. As weird as it is, the directions it can go in such dramatic U-turns. But I quite enjoy that.
And I agree with you. I think that they're perfectly able to handle it and it ends up reflecting so much better on them if they do. Did you get any sense, Matt, from Yannick Sinner about his level of kind of anxiety about his physicality over best of five sets he says he said there are no miracles i need some time matches are different to practice for sure best of five
will be a great test for me. Yeah and he talked didn't he about some data that he'd gathered and been given off the back of his matches in Rome. and he said that there were no surprises there but they backed up what he felt on court which was that some elements of his game, and I think in particular his physical state, were not quite up to the levels that they were before his ban. He wasn't shocked by that. That was perfectly natural to him, I think, that that would be the case.
But yeah, like Rowan was this sort of data gathering exercise, I think. I kind of believe him when he says that He got more matches in Rome than he was thinking he would get. Two, he said, was the goal. He ended up getting more than that. He got experience being in a final again, a big occasion. I just think that was all really, really good news for Yannick Sinner coming into this.
That quote, has he got the time? And I think that's the question I don't know. And that's kind of what we were talking about yesterday, why his draw suddenly looks a little bit trickier when you factor in... the fact that maybe he's not quite at his physical best yet.
Plus there are some difficult names in there. Suddenly it feels like maybe the most intriguing Yannick Sinner slam that we've had in a little while. You know, he's cruised in the hardcourt slams that we've had in Australia and the US over the last... you know year or so but this is different and I definitely think the physical test is the big one for him here because yes I know that at times his tennis was a little bit patchy in Rome but also it was sometimes absolutely stunning so
I had the same feeling as you that there's it's definitely on his mind can he cope with the physical demands here with so little tennis in his legs even if I do think he has spent a lot of time in the three months doing physical work. He does look a bit bigger. and more tanned still looks inexplicably tanned do you think he could do actually with a couple of tests early on like actually as stunning as it was that caspar rude match didn't really do him any favors at all
in terms of his longer-term goals in Rome. It's such a balance though, isn't it? Because you don't want to drain the canister. I think the one big difference is the day off that you get. But there's no shortcuts to this. I don't feel he needed to get started. He got started in Rome. He got maybe a couple more matches than he expected. I think...
It was inevitable that he felt physical effects from it and we saw them in that final against Alcaraz. I think there is definitely a chance that he gets affected in matches this fortnight. But then he got affected by physicality and issues in Australia. And he came through them. And he actually came out stronger, if you think back to that whole Garuna match. Although the stat still remains. He's never won a match over.
four hours four hours yeah I this is still his toughest Grand Slam to win anyway this said that the clay is not his best surface he's still very very good at it but We talked about the draw yesterday. It's not a draw I'd want for him if I was his fan. So I don't feel that confident for him. In terms of Carlos Alcaraz's draw, he's with you, David.
in terms of his first round matchup with Keina Shikori. You said yesterday at the draw you thought that was tricky. Well, Carlos Alcaraz called Keina Shikori a legend. in his press conference today. He's not taking him lightly. I mean, he's been around for legend-like levels, hasn't he? I think the first time I ever saw him play was 2008 at Queen. And he pushed Nadal all the way. And Nadal ended up winning the title that year, then won Wimbledon. You go back, that's 17 years ago.
that Kane Ishikori came on the scene and I think I think he is one of those players in the locker room I mean maybe Carlos is laying it on a bit thick there but I do think he's one of those players that the locker room appreciates. I think they like this five-set record. They like the fact that he's come back from goodness knows how many injuries, you know, and he's a nice fella to boot, you know, and I think they rate him.
When he's on, the backhand is so pure. Certain players, I think, they're a little bit starry-eyed about players that can hit shots like that. And it was a really nice question from... I'm going to use the word legend, Aki, that kind of prompted that answer from Alcrazz because she mentioned that Nishikori really rates and loves Alcrazz. And apparently for Nishikori...
Getting the opportunity to play a guy like Alcraz has been a real motivation for him of wanting to Extend his career and come back from all the injuries and he wants to He wants to know what it's like to play this new generation. You know he's been through Federer, Djokovic, and Nadal, and now he's getting a chance to play Alcaraz as well. Okay, he's no longer in his prime.
But I think that's cool as well. So yeah, I think I'm more excited about this match than I was initially, just knowing that background a bit more. He was asked by Tumani Cariole about the fact that he was spending so much time yesterday at the draw looking looking at the draw which we talked about
yesterday, and he says I wasn't just looking at my own draw, I was looking at the whole draw. He's a tennis fan. Yeah, so I was taking a global view of the draw. He said you get so many great first round matches at slams, I wanted to know what they were. I bet he watches every match on tally, doesn't he?
Yeah, it was a really great moment. I asked him about night sessions. I asked him, you know, it's pretty obvious that you'd prefer to play during the day, but like, how strong is that preference? And he couldn't... He wasn't able to verbally quantify it for me, but he made it very clear. He said, I don't like the cold. And he said, you know, he says nothing.
nothing wrong with playing at night but if it goes late you know there's a lot of things you have to do after a tennis match and he started listing them all and i was waiting for him to say and then you have to record a podcast and edit it and upload it um i was like yeah there is a lot of things to do after the tennis finishes Carlos. So he said everybody would rather play during the day here. Wow.
Enter Daniel Medvedev. He likes to play late, he said. Yeah. Not too late. He said anything's better than having to wake up at 6am. Yeah, he wants to ban 10am starts. He said if I had to play at 10 a.m. I wouldn't practice because I would have to wake up at 6 and that would make me lose the match. It was so relatable. Memverev and Sitsapas came into room 2. today which you know not long ago both of them would have been dead certs to be room one and they came in
soon after one another and there were similarities in the themes of their press conferences. Questions that I put to Medvedev were off the back of the conversation with Tsitsipas and he's become quite a reflective interesting character really Sitsipas I think and maybe in the last year because I think he started to sort of have a bit of a midlife crisis about his career Realising that I'm not young anymore. He thinks the game has changed. Did he quote Bruce Springsteen?
Not intentionally. But I think, I mean... He thinks, and Medvedev disagrees with him, but Sid Sebas thinks the game has moved on significantly in the last few years. He thinks that when he reached the final here, It was kind of easier than it is now. And... I mean maybe he's looking for excuses a little in that I don't know but
I found it quite interesting how he says, look, I'm working harder than I ever had right now. To make up for the deficiencies is the gist of it. To try to catch up. He kept referring to how so many of the players now feel like They've got two forehands. He's referring to these two-handed backhands, isn't he, that are just blistering shots. And you think three of them immediately spring to mind for me. Sinner, Alcaraz, Artafese. I mean, Zverev has got this incredible backhand too, you know.
You know, they can hurt you in a way that I just, I don't think he can hurt them because of his single hand. There's not many single handers that can do it. So it was very interesting. Just on that point about the game having moved on. Whether that's...
True in fact or not is a kind of separate debate but how do we feel about the fact that that is how Sitsipas is perceiving it do you think that's a a failure to take responsibility that's making it entirely external external factors rather than his own short shortcomings and is that a good good thing you know it's the same things we always say about Zverev isn't it where's the line between creating your own reality and trying to magic confidence out of nowhere and just delusion. Well, delusion.
Yeah, I think for a long time I felt like Sid Surpass wasn't moving on, wasn't progressing. It felt like forever that we were talking about his return of serve, his backhand, his lack of a slice backhand you know these were things that you know we constantly felt were deficiencies in his game I think
I was reasonably encouraged by the fact that he was trying to use a new racket this year and we did talk in Dubai about how much better his backhand looked that tournament and interestingly it hasn't carried over to the clay where I really thought it was. it would. I really thought that he was coming into form and he was coming into his best time of year. I did think that Sitsapass would be a a little bit more of a force than he has been on the clay this season.
But, yeah, I do think that two things here can be true. You know, there's a lot of data that suggests that people are hitting the ball harder and with more spin than they were previously. You know, this new generation Fonseca feast there. They're pushing the boundaries in terms of those speeds on the ball, whereas people like Medvedev and like Sitspast that generation are behind in that. But I do think...
That's part of it, but part of it is also, you know, Sitsapas has not really improved his own game all that much as well. Yeah, by solely focusing on, oh, the game's better than it used to be, you're not really telling the full story I would say. What I think makes a really really great player is that ability to regenerate their game and that ability to add new things to it and tinker with it.
We talked about that all the time with the big three. They're so different as players in many ways, but they have such a similarity there in terms of
the ability to adapt and move on and I think you kind of see the difference. I think Sitspass is a really really good player he is but to have to be great you have to be able to develop and adjust and I'm just not sure I'm just not sure he has all that much I just wonder whether these players that that came up in the tail end of the Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray domination era.
when you know they when the big four big three big four were carrying on implausibly long and it felt like how long can they keep doing this there was a feeling for those guys of well, my time will come. If I'm just here and doing what I'm doing, soon that'll be good enough. and the big three, in particular Djokovic, held on a lot longer than was anticipated and now by the time they're pretty much gone.
well, Fonseca's here, and Feast is here, and Alcaraz is here, and there wasn't a window after all. Yeah, and we were having the same conversation about Grigor Dimitrov in the era before them, really, weren't we? And one other thing he mentioned was that... He's doing a lot more watching back of his matches to try to learn. I said how much of them do you want? when you've lost versus how much when you've won. And he said, yeah, sometimes I do just want to watch myself playing well.
just to feel better about it like to go into a tournament thinking well that's how well I can play you know look what I did against Djokovic for two sets in that final That's quite a thing to reveal, actually. He said he does both of them, but he said it is interesting that you If you just are looking for your errors to correct. You can...
you can set yourself back as well. Sometimes you've got to feel good about yourself. But equally there's something a bit tragic about someone as young as sit to pass. sitting on youtube watching videos of the good old days although am i right in saying that andrescu has said that in the past that she did also tragic yeah but that's the point that he was making is positive visualization yeah He said, I still go to bed at night with my head on the pillow and I imagine myself winning.
and I you know he's dreaming he clearly is still in love with the sport which is nice to hear after Australia where he seems lost Medvedev press conference the questions were almost exclusively about the decline in his game right then and again he took them incredibly well like he's not a brittle he's not a brittle guy he understands the role of the media he is robust and a realist i think um but you know there was one question about retirement
You know, has retirement crossed your mind? And he said, like, no. But then he said, if I dropped outside of the top 50, maybe that'd be another question. And he said... He said on hard courts, I'm far from the Daniel that I was. But then he said on clay, I think I'm better than ever. This was this was really interesting I thought now it sounded to me like it was a bit of a relief for him to be on clay even though it's his
worst performing and least favorite surface because he expects less of himself from Clay. Everybody else expects less of him and he feels like he's still making games. perhaps not in results but in his but in his game he feels that way whereas it's very clear that he is just as aware that we are that his hardcore game is going in the other direction yeah and I wanted to follow up on that and try and get him to explain why he thinks that if you're still able to make
Improvements and be the best version he's ever been on a clay court. Why is that not transferable to a hard court? I mean we've heard him talk about the balls and we've heard him talk about court speed and I think that maybe comes into it a little bit more on the hard courts for him but it's odd that it's not transferable to be able to...
to take what he's doing now on the clay and have it help him on the hardcourt. He did say that he feels like maybe it will. He said he did say that maybe some of the stuff he's doing on clay will help him on hardcourts. He said he feels like he's not far off. getting back to the level but he said that final step is the hardest step to make it's interesting because his status has changed so much Medvedev you know he was always the press conference I wanted to go to because not only is he the best
talker and analyst he's also felt extremely relevant what happened in the tournament today I wasn't really thinking about Medvedev and then suddenly was announced and and we all went and I thought thank goodness I went to Medvedev's press conference because it was great it just wasn't just wasn't on my radar in a way that he always was for so long. I mean luckily David put in a standing order request for him at every media day for 12 slams in a row.
enjoyable and unexpected mention of Jan Lennard Stroop. Yes, who is using as inspiration. And the big question about, has tennis moved on? in the past few years. His example was Jan-Leonard Stroop. I did not see that coming. We had Joel Fonseca in room two, didn't we? probably well definitely the first like big Pre-Grand Slam Media Day experience for him seems to be taking it all in a stride David
David bounced out of that room feeling good about his prediction. So there's your title winner. He does He does seem both simultaneously so young and so green in this environment and yet also...
quite comfortable to just take it in his stride and see where he goes. I loved the line, I've played a lot of good practice sets and won some sets against some really good players in the last few days because I mean the last time I saw him he was getting his clock cleaned by Fabian Marijan so I'm more encouraged on his behalf but I did speak to his PR agent Diana who used to represent Gustavo Curtin back in the 90s.
At the end of the 90s there and she really knows how to guide a young player through these sort of situations and and I'm pleased that he's got somebody like her and she just I know it's her job to kind of big him up but I also think she's quite a realist and she just said he is a lovely lad to work with. She thinks he'll handle it all just fine. Because I worry about that on his behalf, you know. How wonderful it all is.
It's such a lot, you know, to take in and to deal with as a young man, the way, the adulation, the attention. I think he's doing all right. I asked him about his, what he reckons his best surface is at the moment, because I've always thought it would be clay, but... He gave a great answer to that. Yeah, he did. His clay court results this season haven't been as eye-catching as his results on a hard court in a European...
a bit of the clay court season. He obviously did well on the South American clay earlier in the season. But he said, I've always said clay, I've had my best results on hard court, and the surface I want to play the most well on his graph.
That's a good answer. I just thought, I reckon David's about to predict him to win one. Last into the press conference stream, kind of as always, Alexander Zverev was scheduled last in and was 40 minutes late also pretty standard his plane was struck by lightning on the way here from Hamburg Everybody arrived safe and sound. It's quite common, David. Is it? Yeah, planes are built to withstand lightning storms, in fact. I'd have been quite happy not knowing that.
But anyway. Weirdly, I actually find that quite reassuring. That it just happens all the time and they're okay about it. Yeah. I'll try and take it positive. Anyway, as far as I thought it was a very big deal. He compared his form and situation to Carlos Alcaraz's last year. But it felt to me, David, like he was trying to talk himself into some confidence.
The whole thing actually felt pretty dur. Yeah, I think he's hanging on the best of five set format and the every other day off. He thinks that that will come into play, I think, because he's not... He's not pretending that he's not being informed. I mean, he knows he hasn't been. But he thinks, he said very explicitly, Grand Slams are different. Roland Garros is different to Rome and Madrid and all the other places that he was losing to people.
And he thinks that he'll be able to outlast players. And look, the record would suggest that he's going to be right about that. I'm just not convinced he's even in good enough form for that to last if he ends up playing somebody who's really playing well. Mmm. Yeah, we'll see, won't we? Any tidbits from the area, David, on the men's side? Well, I started my day very early. I was in for the very first press announcement of the day with Jakob Mensik.
sat with him for the first time i'd never met him before my goodness me he's a big guy he's 19 and he is strapping you know and he he's got a really deep voice and and i thought goodness me how are you 19. But I liked him. There's a lovely quiet confidence about him and it's one of those you'll be able to hear in our Loitering with Law section tomorrow. And who else did I speak to? I spoke to Jenson Brooksby for a little while. I had heard some good stories from him.
Alejandro Davidovich Vekina. Yeah, Alejandro. I never met any of these guys. Just Alejandro. First name terms. He was very nice. liked him and so yeah we got we got chatted with all these and um and yeah we'll hear more about those tomorrow and you hear more about media day in part two where we'll talk about the wta players that came through the media center speak to you in a moment
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Welcome back to part two of the Tennis Podcast where we return to the press conference room. Who did we have through the media centre on the women's side today? We had the world number one. arena sabalenka who quote loves being world number one i love it she said so much gusto i just love it so much I love being the one to beat. I asked her about, you know, how some world number ones in the past have talked about the old cliche of It's tough getting there, but it's tougher staying there.
being chased and being the one to be. And she says, if people feel like they can chase me, then I'm like, okay, let's go. I love it. Yeah. I mean, it wasn't a surprise answer. We kind of... knew and sensed that about her but explicitness with which she
said it. It reminds me of Serena Williams when she was playing Sabalanka in Australia a few years ago and she went, oh, you want to go power? Okay. The other headline from our press conference is that she's definitely ill she didn't mention it but like I know ill when I when I hear ill but she's also the happiest ill person I've ever seen in my life like she was
was bouncing but definitely what sort of reveal are we talking because full of cold well i wonder whether it's hay fever because i i was sneezing all over the place when i came in until i had some ideas your voice has been normal though She was croaking. If I sounded like that, I'd have been saying, guys, can't do the podcast today. Yeah, I'd have been in bed. It was interesting as well. She was asked about, you know, she's not won Roland Garros before.
So would she consider making the final here a success? You know, that would be progress. She was pretty categoric. No. She's not in it at this stage of her career for progress. She's here for titles. And I really enjoyed that. that sort of sentiment as well. And we heard from Charlie Acrochet, didn't we, on Monday about his piece that's going to be coming out about drop shots.
and he's been asking players today and Sabalenka was one of those and it was quite an interesting chat I thought about the sort of amount of time she spends on that part of her game. She said currently on the clay she's spending 20% of her practice.
practice time working on her touch game. Wow, I like it. It's one of the best Sabalenka press conferences I've personally been in I think that music that you might be able to hear in the background by the way is well it's the is the music they play as the winners are collecting their trophy isn't it but we what we suspect is happening inside um a Philippe Chatrier court is that they are rehearsing A ceremony that is scheduled to honor Rafael Nadal on Sunday.
Yes. Yes. It's their signature tune, isn't it? I do quite like it. Very dramatic. We had Madison Keys. first up in the main press conference room. This morning she... She laughed at the mention of the calendar slam. That was the last question to her from Matt Fufterman. He said, with a wry smile and everything, he said, you know you're the only person in the draw that can do the calendar slam.
And, you know, she laughed and went, I am not thinking about that. And it was a great moment, and I wouldn't have expected anything different from Edison Keyes, but I did just think, well, imagine how differently Yannick Sinner would respond to... to that question um yeah like nothing's changed in her mindset and that was actually a good good question to her from charlie eckleshare about
you know everything she told us after winning the australian open about the work she's done to make her happiness not depend on winning a grand slam title he said But now you felt how happy it made you. Does that shake the foundations of your new psychology at all? And she was adamant that no, it doesn't. Because she's done the work.
as they say with them with therapy but she did talk about how she understood how players could end up feeling after winning a Grand Slam she said I can see how if you're desperate for it and you feel like you need it and it might fix something inside you, you can end up feeling flat after you get it, which I think is quite a...
common sensation that players experience and she also talked about how tennis just doesn't give you any time to enjoy and celebrate an achievement. She said you're expected to play another tournament two weeks later. So she said she's really trying to make a concerted effort to kind of defy the box that Tennis is trying to put her in and properly enjoy and appreciate. what she's achieved. She did also talk about this being the tail end of her career.
That's perhaps one of the benefits of doing it at the stage of the career she has done it, that she knows it. to to reorganize things and not just go off to the next one it must be a real balancing act for her between you know having this healthy mindset which has ultimately ended up leading to a greatest success and still wanting it. You've got to want it. There are too many players that are too good to be like,
Yeah, it'd be nice to win, but I'm happy without it. Like, there is a balance there, isn't it? And I feel like she's just treading that line all the time, and sometimes it's going to win her an Australian Open, and sometimes... She's gonna lose Eileen. be fine about it. I think there is a somewhat of a phlegmatic approach to her knowing that her game is about swing. Really and sometimes they'll go in and sometimes they won't and you've got to be okay with both
I have a little feeling that Madison Keyes is kind of a really good tournament here. She's got a good draw. She does. She's in that bottom half. It's Coco Goff, I think, in the quarter, so I... fairly confidently predicted would reach the final yesterday and she's also still not being talked about that much i feel like if madison keys reach the semi-finals she'll kind of do it flying under the radar a bit
Yeah, and look, she was, you know, such a remarkable run, wasn't it, to the Australian Open title that she had when she beat... so many good players and she was kind of the underdog in those matches and it almost feels like if she played Coco Gauff in the quarterfinals she would be the underdog
Like even though she's just one that's very open just just feels like she would be i just think that's a good that's a good place for madison keys to to be in and yeah i think maybe the conditions of that match would be important as well you know if it's if it's under the roof or you know if If it's lightning fast, I think those would really be dangerous conditions. for Madison Keys to really thrive in. It's exciting again going into a slam knowing what she's so capable of.
We had Iga Sviontek coming through the press conference room, the defending champion. She seemed kind of fine. There was a moment of levity where she had an exchange about some Lego.
Players light up when one of their sponsors comes up organically in a media situation don't they they're usually desperately trying to shoehorn sponsor mentions in so when it's laid on a plate for them they're like thank you very much um so there was that there was there was a bit of a kind of she she was another one treading treading the denial line i think she was very insistent that you know everything's
everything's fine I'm practicing really well I'm doing the right things it's just the results don't happen to have been resulting you know but she was like I'm here I'm at Roland Garros you know everything's fine whether i believed her or not i i don't really know or or maybe i believe her in the moment but when she steps out onto a tennis court and gets into a pressured situation Everything changes. There was an awkward exchange with one of the journalists in there that was pretty tense.
But it was just a moment and pretty much the rest of the press conference was fairly normal and uneventful. Yeah, uneventful.
She really put an emphasis, didn't she, on wanting to start matches better. And actually, when you think about it, that has been a real issue, you know, losing... first sets pretty dramatically to Keyes, to Gough, to Collins and I think you know it sounds like she feels like she is practicing well and she is you know she said there's nothing wrong with my game in practice it's good but as you said step on the court bit more bit more pressure and an opponent playing well and suddenly
all of those good feelings in practice are just gone, and it's suddenly a really tense match situation. She kind of put it in terms of intensity, which I wasn't sure about. It never feels like she's lacking intensity. But that's kind of how she's describing those starts of matches, lacking intensity. So, look, that's going to be interesting. So often with Fiontek, we're used to her.
We have been used to our starting match as well and barely dropping games, but it has been a big difference this year. as we said her draw is such that if she was at her best I personally I wouldn't be that worried about these first few matches for her but given she's not at her best I think kind of any match becomes potentially problematic. I mean, look what Alexandra Eyal has done to her this year. You know, a player who...
You don't feel like it should necessarily really have the weapons to be hurting Sviantek, but has been. So, yeah, I'll really be watching those start of matches very closely, I think, for Sviantek, considering that's what she highlighted. Jasmine Paolini was a joy obviously nothing kind of
majorly editorial to report. I actually put those Madison Keyes quotes to her about how quickly tennis moves on and the lack of time and space it gives you to appreciate your achievements. I was like you won you lifted that Rome trophy five days ago and now you're here having to talk about the next tournament don't you just want to be staring at that trophy and smiling and of course she put the most possible most positive possible spin on that situation she was like
Yeah, but if you lose, you get to move on really quickly. She was like, that's the other side of that coin, isn't it? Just a double-edged sword. You know, there's Otenos. in tennis there's always another chance so like yeah you'd like a bit more celebration time when you win but when you lose it's great Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
So Jasmine Paolini. The only interesting, you know, sort of notable moment from this press conference is she was asked a question about doping and sort of a quite general broad question about doping and whether the Shontek and Sinner cases have led to paranoia in the locker room and before the journalists could even finish getting the question out she said yes
Very, very sternly. She said, yes, there is paranoia about doping. She said, everybody feels vulnerable. She said, I feel vulnerable now. She said, these cases, you know, you sort of... knew in the abstract that you had to be extremely careful but these cases make that feel a lot more real and she said it's scary.
Which is... about as sort of negative a spin as i've ever heard paolini put on put on anything and it does feel like you know to hear someone like her saying that does you know pretty revealing yeah as to reveal what it's like the sort of turmoil they go through really because yeah they're i think a lot of players do think well I'm doing everything you're supposed to do but
They're scared. I think that's a good word for it. Why wouldn't it be? Coco Goff and Mira Andreva are a couple of the last two players through the main press conference room. They're both a joy. She's great, isn't she?
Sure. She's great. She's just great. Yeah. She just owns that room. You know, occasionally there'll be a... press conference and you find your mind wandering and you start thinking about what the next press conference is or what else you've got going on but stupidly early time they're going to close the cafe but with andrea like Anything fun or interesting could come up in any of her answers. She's fantastic.
I thought Koko Goff named the mix and I think Andreeva was in it. She named in terms of players that can win the title. She did a customary Emerita Khan who won the US Open so anyone can win the tournament. tournament, but then the names she listed were Mira, Jasmine, Chimwen, Eager, Arena and herself. And, you know, that would pretty much align with my mix. To be clear, did she call it the mix? No, but I'm interpreting it as that. Do you agree with Coco Goff's mix?
You said Keys isn't in it? Well, she's playing Keys in the quarters, isn't she? Yeah. I do think that's about right. I'm not sure about Jean... I think she's the one I would query at the moment because there isn't recent form that makes me feel that that's... likely but the fact that she's won the Olympic gold in this stadium does give me a pause for thought and I'm looking forward to seeing her matches because I want to see if there's a different level
Would I be more surprised if Jung Chin Wen won this title or Madison Keyes? I think right now the answer is Jung. Oh, I'd be far more surprised if Keyes won. I definitely don't have keys in the mix. I'm not necessarily putting keys in but
Yeah, maybe I'm not putting Xiong in either. I'm quite sure I would have said that in Melbourne as well. Yeah, exactly. It's like the Olympics gives you pause for thought on Xiong Xiong and the Australian Open gives you massive... pause for thought it does me anyway on on keys even on this surface yeah and she's reached semi-finals here yeah you know it's not she's got a good record it's not like she's never done anything on on the clay and
I do think as kind of as Medvedev said that that next step is that that final step is the hardest one it's a big jump to go from semi-finals to winning it but What she did in Australia just wowed me. It felt a lot like... everything coming together in that tournament. You know, her tennis was so good. She came through a lot of close matches. How sustainable is that? You know, I'm always a little bit concerned about possible injury risk with Madison Keyes.
All of those factors that have always been there in her career are still there. They've not all suddenly gone away just because she's won the Australian Open. But would I be that surprised if she did win this? Probably not. Probably not really. I think you've just articulated something that I felt but couldn't put words to. Do you know what Coco Goff didn't do today?
Did she not hang out at the docks? Oh, no, I think she did. Okay. She didn't underestimate Jasmine Pauline. Well done, Go-Go-Goth. She started a podcast. She avoided the bear trap. She's much smarter than us. Yeah, you're welcome for getting to learn from our mistakes, Coco. Anything to report from the area on the women's side, David? Any tidbits? I had a little chat with Peyton Stans.
who's had such a interesting few weeks because she finished working with her coach Tom Hill or rather he finished working with her and she She put out a sort of playful tweets at the time asking for CVs or resumes to be Sent in for anybody interested or she ended up with a with a coach at a very last minute and look She just had the the results of her life with all those incredible seven six in the third wins in Rome So that was a nice
chat about how all that came about and how you recover from those seven sixes in a third when you've then got to come here. That was a really interesting insight. Yeah, I enjoyed talking to her. Very straightforward person. And yeah, another one you'll be able to hear in Loitering with Law tomorrow. And speaking of which, we have a time in from Andranisimova. Oh yeah, tell me. Live reaction. 2.30.
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welcome back to part three of the tennis podcast uh we're done with media day there will be a few stragglers tomorrow not just Amanda Anisimova. I don't think Novak Djokovic will be one of those stragglers though because he has got business to do in Geneva. He's in the final. He will have a shot.
at his 100th title tomorrow. It's weird to think that he might achieve something, David, two days before the French Open, but... could i mean obviously it wouldn't be as big as winning the french open but like Geneva could end up being the thing, the story. It will certainly be really significant if he does that. I think well done him, you know, given...
He's not had the best time of things of late on court. A lot of question marks. The breakup with... with Andy Murray, he's assembled his new team very quickly, not household names at all by comparison, doesn't play Rome, goes to Geneva, right on the eve of a Grand Slam, and there he is in the final. That takes, I think, quite a lot of sort of mental strength and kind of humility in a way to sort of think that he's won 24 majors and he's done it all.
And he goes there, and I mean, maybe the 100 thing is a bigger thing than I'm giving it credit for in his mind of achievements. I suspect it's also just, look, I've got to get some matches before this thing starts. But I like the fact that he's not just gone and run a couple and then left. I actually think the big thing in his mind is 104. Not 100. Which is Jimmy Connors, is that? No, Jimmy Connors has the record at 109, which I think.
feels unlikely yeah um but i i think he wants to catch federer i think he wants federer to have nothing probably yeah yeah yeah and look i think today was the kind of match where if he didn't have the motivation of trying to get 100 with Roland Garros around the corner like it wouldn't have been totally surprising to me if after not closing out in two sets when he had a match point if there'd been a Bit of a check out in that third set. Beat Cameron Norrie, 6'4", 6'7".
8-6 in that tie break to Norrie and then 6-1 in the third. Yeah, and he let that second set go. There was a really poor drop shot in the tie break when he just got it under control. He lost the match point. Nori takes it and I was thinking at that point oh okay Like Ronald Arras is starting soon. How deep are you prepared to...
Maybe he just didn't need to expend that much of himself to win that third set 6-1 against Norrie. He's just got his level right. He's obviously always going to be able to beat Norrie. But yeah, I think the 100 is big. finding form before Roland Garros and Wimbledon is big and he might be able to achieve both of those things this week so really really important week I think for Novak Djokovic but odd as you said that it's taking place on the eve of a Grand Slam.
It's a very different Novak Djokovic experience. Hubert Hercan in the final for Djokovic. Big week for David's fantasy team. Her catch in the final there. Kabali in the final in Hamburg. He awaits the winner of the match currently on court between Auger Lissim and Rublev. Rublev took the... The first set, 6-1. They're finally coming good for you, David. My Avengers are assembling.
I think that's... i mean obviously reaching a final is good news for her catch but i think quite good news for joel fonseca who's got him in the first round here it's always a fascinating one isn't it is it better to have this form and come roaring into roland garros having won all these matches
but potentially being knackered? Or is it better to just rest up and come in and start fresh? Whereas, you know, Fonseca is been struggling in the matches recently and and doesn't have the form it will be a really interesting one In Strasbourg, the final is set. Lyudmila Samsonova, who just pops up when you least expect it. She beat Danielle Collins today, 4-2. She'll play Elena Rabatkinner. in the final who came through against Beatriz Hadadjah Meyer 76-16.
6'2". Yeah, Rabatkinah Samsonova. I mean, she needs the form, Rabatkinah. Given the physical struggles she's had over the past few years. I do worry about playing a lot of matches the week before a slam and being able to continue and sustain that through a slam. i'm gonna bring up what we always do but the most stunning performance you've ever seen against arena sabalenka to win the title in in brisbane at the start of last year and then
Just a bizarre loss to Anna Blinkova at the Australian Open after that. So, I don't know. But maybe she's in enough of a rut at the moment that just... you know kind of like you were saying with i can't remember who another player yesterday but just winning that title actually is is a big enough deal and whether it whether it impacts roland garros or not in what have we got talk amongst yourselves folks in rabat we have a final set between Of course. Jacqueline Christian of My Fantasy Team fame.
talk about finally coming good for you it's been a rocky road for me and Jacqueline uh it came through a thriller six seven six four six four against Camilla Osorio and she will face my joint in the final joint. Well, actually, Ali Tomlianovic retired against my joint. I take back my... Oh! So there you go, that's what's happening at the other events outside of Roland Garros. Just last thing to bring you news from qualifiers.
Here at Roland Garros a few notable results and moments. Victoria Mboko, the 18-year-old Canadian player of Congolese descent that Matt Futterman was telling us about. a couple of weeks ago. She's a great talent and a great personality. She beat Kaya Yuvan 7563 to qualify today. She'll make her Grand Slam main draw debut. And it's a cool story. It is. Matt Futterman describes her backhand as sounding like a thundercrack.
so very very keen to watch her in person for the first time and she wanted to do that today but it all got torpedoed by being stood up by a mandarin is the moment. Of all the people to stand you up. What was I going to say? Mboko has drawn Lulu's son. in the first round, which... It's a good draw. I think it's a good draw. As somebody that had Lulu-san on their fantasy team for the start of the year and was following her results closely, that is a good draw.
two czech teenagers who've qualified sarah bailik uh czech 19 year old 2022 junior doubles champion here she beat the top seed In the final round of qualities, Stara Dubtseva, 6-love, 6-4. And Teresa Valantova, last year's Girls Singles Champion. She qualified today. 18 years of age, so that is a name to look out for. Marin Cilic fell in the final round of qualifying to Lloyd Harris. That's a vintage, that match, isn't it? A certain vintage. and Sara Irani's singles career ended in qualifying.
she's gonna carry on in the doubles though so Matt can still have his guilty pleasure And that's it. That's it for the second daily Roland Garros tennis podcast. We'll be back with more tomorrow. We've got more players to speak to, more stuff to talk about. Hey, we might have Novak Djokovic's 100th title to talk about. And we'll probably be in this very same spot, won't we? Our spot.
we'll call it until the band strikes up on Sunday and it becomes i have to say hello to phoebe my mascot maizey david's mascot and roger matt's mascot hello to our top folks and executive producers greg chris and jeff and it's over to matt for some shout out And we start with Mark A. Prince Jr. Like Freddie Prince Jr. All right, Mark. I think I've met Mark.
Yeah, I think he's come and said hello once upon a time. So anyway, absolutely delighted to have Mark as a friend of the Times podcast. Do you think he's related to Freddie Prinze Jr.? I don't know. No, because the junior isn't part of the surname, is it? Yeah, I've thought it through. Seems unlikely. Yeah. What do we know about Mark? He has done the career Golden Slam. He's done the Olympics. Oh my God. He's done something we haven't. Atlanta Olympics. Good work, Mark.
That's epic. And he's also done the calendar year. Don't know whether that was in the same year. This guy knows what he's doing. He does. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Mark, you're cool. Thank you very much. We've also got Christiane Savoy from New Brunswick, Canada. Like Jacqueline Christiane. Same jokes, different pew. Most mentions she's had on a pod so far. Maybe not the first time though. And what do we know about Christiane?
Christian has been listening to the pod for about six years. Good work. Still loving tennis but yet to find a replacement for Nadal. I think there's a few in your possession there. I actually do hear that quite a lot. You still see a lot of people walking around with Roger Federer logos on their hats, don't you? Just ride the waves of grief, Christiane.
I thought you were about to ride the waves with Carlos Alcaraz. You went in a different direction. Presumably Christian knows about Carlos Alcaraz and he's not filling the void. Some voids are unfillable. That's true. No, the best thing about sport is that it renews. Someone will come along, Christiana promised. Until then, ride the waves of grief.
And finally, we have Ali, who says, like Ali Nilly. Yes, former umpire who I knew well at Queens. He often came and was the supervisor of the umpire at Queens. Very nice fella. What do we know about Ali? Ali is from Iran and says, Mansoor Barami was a good friend of my uncle. Whoa, that's cool. We know Mansour, don't we? We do know Mansour. We've seen all the tricks many times.
still make me laugh, even after all these years. I think I've got a signed copy of his autobiography somewhere, the man behind the moustache. Yeah, it's worth it. Well, there we go. Ali. Amazing. Ali, Christian and Mark. Yeah. Thank you all. Thank you all. Thank you to all of our friends of the Tennis Podcast. You've got a bonus episode coming your way tomorrow featuring loitering with law and bonus upon bonus.
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David, officially king of the 90s. I bet your favourite memories from that decade. Absolutely. I go back to 1992 and one of the all-time great finals between Steffi Graf and Monica Seles and it went all the way. Watch every match of Roland Garros from May 25th to June 8th exclusively live on TNT Sports. Stream only on Discovery Plus or watch TNT Sports channels on EE Sky and Virgin Media. Subscription required. Age 18 plus. T's and C's apply. Thank you to TNT Sports for sponsoring this episode.
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