Roland Garros Day 9 - Bublik, Boisson, what is happening??

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Well, hello and welcome to the tennis podcast on day nine of Roland Garros 2025. We're back in our usual spot. Justine Ennan has not joined us. This evening, but it's actually lovely and quiet. It's half past nine. Yannick Sinner is destroying Andrei Rublev on Chaturé as we speak. The day session crowds have mostly dispersed and we sort of got this. little area to ourselves.

For once, David. Not that it wasn't nice being in the company of Justine Ennan. No, no, we kind of needed to have slightly sharp elbows in previous editions of the recordings in order to get our space. Not against Justine Ennan, you understand. We were very much... letting her do whatever she likes in this particular area. But no, it is nice because it has been such a full, vibrant, exciting day and there's still some more to come.

It is nice and hushed at the moment. Lovely out here. David fending off the Daily Express headlines before they have a chance to come to bars. Matt, how are you doing?

Very well, thank you. Yes, David mentioned it being a vibrant day and I think what stuck out to me is that the vibes have come from slightly unexpected places. And I say slightly and I mean very. Certainly for one of the vibes. And, you know, maybe we should have seen Alexander Bublik coming. Well, maybe, but we didn't. We didn't. World number 62, Alexander Bublik. Look, he has been inside the world's top 20. He was...

inside the world's top 20 a year ago, but he's down at 62 at the moment. He has not been a factor on clay in years gone by at all. But today, he put on... I think the best 90 minutes of tennis I have ever seen from any individual person. To beat Jack Draper, the fifth seed, 5-7, 6-3, 6-2, 6-4. I am at a bit of a loss for words for what Alexander Bublik did out there. He's the most... Look, when he's on...

And he is very rarely on for as long a period as he was today. He's very well known for his talent, but being unable to string it together for longer than about six games. Today, for... 90 minutes, I would say. He was the most electrifying melange of power and touch I've ever seen. I don't think he's going to do it in the next round. I don't think I'll ever see that again from Alexander Bublik. But for a while there on Longland, it was an absolute dream. Well, I'll tell you what.

I saw it against Alex Demenor earlier in this tournament when I'd started watching that match when he was mounting his comeback from two sets of love down. And what really struck me that day was Demenor in his press conference saying, I could have done more.

I should have won that match. And I remember thinking, you're being really hard on yourself. Because, look, maybe he could have done it. It was a slightly different situation because he was two sets up, you know, whereas Draper was never that close to winning today. So it probably felt even more painful for Dimonor. But the tennis that he produced in those three sets against Dimonor were reminiscent of the three he produced today against Draper. Just completely took your breath away.

The audacity to what he's trying, the variety that he's got, the power that he's got, just... was absolutely astonishing. My dad texted me afterwards and said Draper was ambushed. I thought that was a really good description because it was kind of like Draper couldn't do a lot. The most incredible performance from Public and like...

the way the crowd started getting into it and adopting him as kind of one of their own and the ovation he got at the end sort of told you everything about how much they'd enjoyed that performance and it just was the perfect singles send-off to long Glenn for this tournament. It was like he'd been cast in the role of give a performance that aptly sends out.

that court that wonderful court for singles action for 2025 and he accepted the role and put in an Oscar winning performance I mean his drop shot today was I mean, I don't have words. His forehand drop shot, the way it skids through, and every time he hit one, I thought, well, that's not clearing the net. And I think he might have missed one. Maybe.

But basically, they cleared the net by a millimetre every time and just completely befuddled Jack Draper. His eggs were so firmly scrambled in ambushes. exactly the right word because Jack Draper was leading a set and a break. It looked like exactly the kind of match that Jack Draper's been playing for a while now where, you know, he's in a tussle but he looks up for the fight and...

He hangs in there and he's eventually able to stamp his authority. And, well, Alexander Bublik had other ideas. It was absolutely unreal. The game he played, David, to break. At the start of the fourth set. Which ultimately was the difference because that was the only break in the set. Right. And Alexander Bublik told you in press after the match that if he hadn't won... the game to serve out the match, then he would have tanked.

He said, I'm a big believer in just having one chance. David, you asked him about whether he gets nervous on a tennis court, and that was a really good question. He didn't answer that question. He gave a really good answer to some other phantom question. But he said, I'm a big believer in only having... one chance and I knew that game was my chance. He said, if I got broken serving for it at 5-4, I would definitely have lost 7-5-6-2. His drop shots.

are like hummingbirds they just sort of hang there and and then suddenly drift over the net and a winner. He hit around 30 of them in the match today. I mean, it's just quite astonishing stat.

It's daredevil tennis, but the reason I asked him whether he gets nervous is because it doesn't feel as though he's being... gutsy to play these these audacious shots he just thinks well that's that's my only chance of winning that's what I'm gonna do I'm gonna if I'm in a stressful situation I'm gonna hit a a 225 kilometer an hour first serve that's you know around 100 it's getting up 240 miles an hour and if that doesn't go in i'm going to do another one it's it's his way of just

not allowing his opponent to have any say whatsoever. And that was the big feature of Draper's press conference. A bit like Alex de Menor, he was disappointed in his own performance. He felt there should have been more. He said it wasn't terrible, but I felt like...

I should have been able to do more. But I think that they are underestimating just how little chance they get to be themselves on a tennis court when Alexander Bublik is around and playing like that. Because he's going to do stuff that just doesn't... make any sense for a normal tennis player the power he's got off both wings and serve is is astonishing, and then to suddenly mix in that drop shot, it was such a buzz. We were on the front row there of the press seats.

There's a lot at stake for the media in Jack Draper. We're British journalists. We have an international audience. And a Sinner-Draper match, for instance, would be a big thing to get into. Honestly, I didn't, and I liked Jack Draper, but I didn't care. In the moment, I just felt so uplifted by the performance this guy was putting in and the way the crowd reacted. I mean, the...

It was as if he was French. I did wonder if they were going to break out the Marseillaise for a Kazakh. Albeit a Monte Carlo resident. I thought that might be their tenuous link. I think he is a French speaker, isn't he?

Yeah, not quite, but he did get, I mean, throughout the match, he got a rousing reception, but throughout the interview as well, which was an incredible moment on the court where he just, just like he did with the match, he took control of the interview, didn't he? Alex Kretcher basically asked one question and... Public kind of implied, I'll take it from here.

and told the crowd this is the best moment of my life, said he was holding back tears. Well, not even really holding them back. He was crying, wasn't he, out there on the court? And, yeah, they could not stop chanting.

Yeah, it was really special because those are the sorts of... reactions that usually are reserved for a home player as you say and just to go back to that game that you mentioned before you know Jack Draper he said in his press conference he was disappointed with his third set didn't he said he let himself down in that third set And that was the one where he showed the most frustration. There was a moment where he was 3-1 down, he was serving 1-3, and he went to the baseline to...

to clean the dirt off the baseline as players do with his foot. And he ended up violently... kicking his foot in into the dirt in a real like wow you just don't see that from jack draper anymore these days he's such a professional um and he ended up serving a double fault in the second point of that game and Bublik who was just in front of me at the time turned and winked to his box it was a real it wasn't just I'm playing great tennis it was I've got him right I am in his head

Wow. So then he goes off court at the end of that third set, which, given what you've just described there, seems absolutely the right thing to do. He needed a Shriver reset. So he comes out. back onto court at the start of the fourth set and at this point I'm definitely thinking Jack Draper's in big trouble here because of how well Bublik's playing but I'm also thinking Bublik can still go off here like Draper is still in this match

But then Public just plays the most astonishing return game. A backhand winner down the line, a forehand passing shot cross-court, a backhand drop shot winner.

and a clean winner off for first serve. And there was literally nothing that Jack Draper could do about it. It was laugh out loud brilliant from public. And then the other thing that I think makes him... both absolutely thrilling to watch and I think difficult to play is the speed of it he is so quick between points it's relentless it's frantic there's a and like when he's bad

that that's a problem for him because it's like he's not he's not giving any thought to what he's doing in in the rallies and I've seen public play like that and it looks like he's tanking because it's just error after error And maybe sometimes he is tanking, you know, as he admitted that he probably would have done in that fifth set had he not served it out. But when it's clicking and he's in a groove and in a rhythm, that speed of play that he's got... is exhilarating.

You've not got a moment to really take it in and process it, and suddenly, oh, it's another drop shot. Oh, it's another huge second serve. And he was killing Draper with that wide serve on the dues. It was amazing to witness someone. play like that just as you said for an hour and a half just barely put a foot wrong and Draper did get A chance, a half chance to get back into the match. Probably a chance, really. Two great points at 15-40. A chance, because he's...

Public told us he would have tanked. Yeah. And he had two forehands in both of those points. And he hit one long and he completely shanked one long on the next point. And that was it. That was his moment right there.

It's hard to say that he could have done much more because Bublik was just throwing all of this stuff at him. And I don't believe Bublik. When he says, I would have, you know, that was my only chance. I don't believe it. He was playing so well. I don't necessarily think he... The comeback would have been beyond Draper. If he'd have got that break back for five all, I think that that would have made it very interesting. But... I...

Maybe not tanked, maybe we're exaggerating for comic effect with tanked, but I do think he'd have lost if he hadn't served it out there. Maybe this is a new Alexander Bublik, but there's quite a lot of Alexander Bublik data out there to back up his claim.

that he would have ended up losing. But look, it could be a new public. It just seemed to me that the same thing was happening that's happened against him at all. He was rolling and he wasn't going to... changed the way he was playing he was just gonna keep on rolling that arm over and smashing the ball down and playing drop shots when he felt like it and I don't know whether it's repeatable in other matches but on this day

Yeah, Draper should have made more of those two break points because he did have forehands that were the type that he would want. And I think... He's got a really good forehand, but he's tightly wound. And that was a very tense situation. And he tried to hit so hard and with so much topspin in the top-edged second one. That is somebody who is just feeling the tension of the opponent and the pressure he's being put under and he's trying to retaliate and he actually gave it too big a heave.

So then we have this incredible emotional moment with Alexander Bublik on the court where he's bearing himself sort of in all his vulnerability before... the Longland crowd and crying out there saying it's the best moment of my life. And, you know, this is the guy that has made some... pretty public statements in the past about how tennis is just a career to him and he takes a very mercenary approach and it's all about prize money, you know, it's just a job and he's also made some talks about...

seeking out a work-life balance hasn't he not wanting to he puts it put his body on the line the way so many others do you know win at any cost he's made it clear he's not he's not prepared to win at any cost he would like to win So then, you know, we're really anticipating his press conference, aren't we? We're like, wow, can't wait to spend some time with this Alexander Public. And it was an interesting press conference, but it...

It wasn't the same emotion we saw on the court by any means. I mean, that guy is terrifying. I had a question to ask and I ended up bottling it because I was genuinely afraid of him. What do you mean, though? Because he... He's polite in the press conference, isn't he? But I felt like he could take me down with his directness in a very polite but savage way that I just didn't... feel emotionally ready for in that moment he's very quick isn't he he's got

You've barely finished the questions, a bit like his tennis, and he's percolated an answer, and it's actually not necessarily the answer to your question. It's something that he's going to say, and you're going to get it. Yeah. I mean, the answer he gave about, you know, tennis is 50% of his life and the rest of his life is 50%. No more. Like, that is the balance.

And he said, I'm not going to play through a knee injury. I want to be able to walk when I'm 40. I mean, actually, all of that, I was nodding along. I was like, gosh, this actually sounds really like a healthy approach.

I think he was also kind of getting at it, like, yes, he works incredibly. Like he said, don't mistake what I'm saying there for thinking that I just... rely purely on my talent he said i work hard i do work hard but i think there was also a little point in there about he is able to still be as good as he is because he knows he is naturally gifted as well

You know, he said like not everyone would be able to hit serves at that speed that I can hit. You know, he knows that he can work this amount to get this amount out of it. It's all quite sort of calculated, I think. his approach to sport and to life, even though he seems like this incredibly sort of free spirit, I think. I think people have an image of Alexander Bublick as...

Oh, he's a bit crazy and he does... Doesn't care. Doesn't care. But actually, I think he is quite sort of... Strategic. Strategic about it.

And yet there is this looseness to his tennis. It's a bit of a contradiction there. But, yeah, I find him fascinating, but I'm also a bit scared of him. We don't... officially know who you'll play in the next round yet, but Yannick Sinner is 6-1, 6-3, 40-15 up on... Andrei Rublev, so I'm sure you'll be on the edge of your seats for part three when we bring you the news of who Bublik will be playing in the quarterfinals. What we do know is that...

Alexander Zverev will meet Novak Djokovic in the quarterfinals in two days' time. Zverev winning. By retirement, Greeks were retiring, trailing 6-4, 3-love. He had spent three and a half hours on court, hadn't he, a couple of days ago, getting the better of Ethan Quinn in the previous round. So Zverev fresh as a daisy for his quarterfinal.

which I think made it feel extremely important that Novak Djokovic do an efficient job against Kam Norrie today. 6-2, 6-3, 6-2. I don't think the result was ever in doubt. It felt like there was more at stake than just the result. He needed to not lose focus or drop a set. He needed to be dialed in and just get this job done. Yeah, I got the sense that he knew that.

going onto the court, he knew that he needed to be bang on it. And I think generally speaking at this tournament, he's given off that vibe. Because he knows he's 38 years of age now. He knows his body has broken down on him. And if he wants to win this title or if he wants to win Wimbledon, he needs to stay not only fit but fresh and not expend too much energy. And I think that that's when you get your best Novak Djokovic because he can be a little indulgent and...

allow himself to be pissed off or to be frustrated or feel pain or whatever it might be and feel a bit sorry for himself in certain situations. And I think in those... That only happens when he's got plenty of time or loads and loads left in the tank and he's kind of allowing it to happen. When there's the deadline, when there's the stress, when there's...

I've got to win Olympic gold now, or I never will. I mean, he was basically unbeatable that day. And look, he hasn't had to get to anything like that level today, and yet... There were a couple of really tense games against Cameron Norrie in that second set. He won the first really easily. And then around the three-all mark, Norrie has several break points and doesn't take them. Djokovic holds. Then Djokovic has a...

a long attempt at breaking Norrie and does it. And then that's the match right there. And he's just... He just dissected Norrie very, very efficiently, came into the press conference, looks really fresh, looks really ready. And, I mean, that could be one heck of a match between those two. Yeah, look.

Stylistically, it's not my favourite type of match. I mean, it's a tussle. But I absolutely agree. I think it's going to be that. I do. I know Djokovic was... injured wasn't he when they played in Melbourne and he was hanging on in that first set but it was an incredibly long first set and Yeah, look, I think I was very impressed with Djokovic's forehand today. That shot was absolutely working for him and just absolutely took Norrie apart in that third set with it.

He's got blisters. He's got a few blister problems. Djokovic, he's had treatment in consecutive matches now. On his feet? Yeah, on his feet. You know, I don't remember really Djokovic having that many blister problems through his career. I could be wrong, but it's not something I really associate with him. So it's odd that it...

has sort of shown up now. Yeah, I mean, we're 20 years into his career and I had my first thought I've ever had today about the length of Novak Djokovic's toes. Like, I don't think I've seen much of Djokovic's feet before because I don't think he's... had blister problems before he's got really long toes maybe that's the secret but yeah he's got that he's got strapping that sort of extends it's like a sort of hammock for his toes it's quite extensive

Yeah, so anyway, this chat has gone in a direction I wasn't expecting. I was trying to back up your point. I appreciate it. But yeah, look, I think Djokovic... is gonna have to use all the parts of his game to beat Zverev. I don't think he can...

out-hit him for... You don't want to just go toe-to-toe. You don't want to do that. He can, in parts, he can out-hit him, but he's also going to want to use his drop shot and, you know, serve with great precision to set up shot. You know, there's going to be a lot of things on display. that he's going to have to do well but I am backing him in that match. Because Novak Djokovic won't choke against Alexander Zverev. Zverev has an uncanny ability to make players choke.

against him. I don't know how he does it because so often he seems there for the taking and players just aren't able to to take him to take him out to get over the line particularly at Grand Slams and I don't think he will be able to do that against Novak Djokovic. Djokovic doesn't choke. I know the nerve is one of the things that goes as you age, but I do back Djokovic's nerve. I think if Zverev comes out hitting and playing aggressive, confident tennis...

He can out-hit Novak Djokovic potentially, but I don't think he has the baked-in confidence to do that. I know he's improved so much as this tournament has gone on, but... I still think he's going to revert to type in that match and Djokovic won't crumble. Yeah, I'm fascinated because... I've seen a lot of Zverev over the last few months play a good first set, get himself in position and then just suddenly the confidence and the form evaporates.

I think he is playing well now. He hasn't been that tested, but it was a good win over Kabbali. Today was a real gift because Greek Spore had him... two two breaks up in the in the fifth settler a year ago and it was nothing like that today obviously so no issues there but i think that's the important point is that Djokovic is the best closer we've ever seen. This guy gets into position in a Grand Slam and he finishes the deal.

He might have got outplayed by Carlos Alcraz in a couple of finals at Wimbledon, but it doesn't happen very often. And I just think that Zverev's only chance is either to just be blazing the ball. hitting hitting a lot of winners or keeping it really close and edging a point here or there but in that type of battle if Djokovic is on it I back Djokovic. But I actually think in any case, more likely scenario is that Djokovic's variety...

just ties very up in knots, on clay particularly, because he can use the drop shut, he can make things happen in a way that it's more difficult to make them happen on a hard court. Just incidentally, that was Djokovic's 16th... Roland Garros quarterfinals he's now reached in a row. Like, this is the slam where he's actually most consistent in terms of reaching the latter stages. Yes, he's lost here a...

a ton to Rafa Nadal, but he is so, so good on clay. He really is. By the time he gets to Roland Garros, it's the surface that takes him the longest. He always talks about that, but he's so good here. I think for... I think for Zverev psychologically, I think actually he maybe finds it easier to play the brand of tennis he should play against Djokovic.

I think there's something about when he plays a sinner or an Alcaraz, I think in some ways he's threatened by them, isn't he? Because they're doing what he thinks... he should be doing in terms of winning the majors and being the next guy after the big three. And there's something about when he plays them in big matches that he does really...

retreat and revert to time. He has beaten Alcaraz, but he's caught Alcaraz on some days when he's not been at his best, I would say. But, I don't know, against Djokovic, I think... I ultimately agree that in the absolutely biggest moments, I'm backing Novak Djokovic, but I do also think Zverev will probably play quite well in this match. It's just different for him against Djokovic than it is against Sinu and Alcres. And it is when he's the big fan.

favorite in a match against like a Greek Spore or you know a Surundalo and you know people we've seen him lose to over the last year or so so I don't know if I'm making sense there but just something something about I think just it was comfortable kind of in Novak Djokovic's company.

Well, that is true because they're friends and he hangs around him a lot. So I think that that probably does help in that regard. There's not quite the tension there, the creative tension that he has against the other two.

I do find their previous, it's a number of years ago, six years ago, but it was straight sets for Djokovic here when they played. So I don't know how much to read into that, but I don't think it's totally insignificant. Just before we move on, a word for Cam Norrie, who heard about the nose strip craze and said, I see you and I raise you. Yeah, he looked ridiculous, didn't he? What was it?

Was it sun cream? Yes, I think it was fluid. I don't think it was a physical thing, like a paste. I mean, I've seen him definitely come on to call. Yes, he does the cricketer thing. Yeah, but this was... A full stripe. It was like he'd done the Nike kit on his face. It was absurd. But anyway, good effort from him to reach the fourth round. There was one other thing from that match I wanted to mention. There was a line judge on the court in a wheelchair. And this was a story that...

actually was reported on last year by the BBC. It completely passed me by, I have to say. Lucas Ferron. who was a line judge here for the women's final in 2018. This is all from Jonathan Jureko's piece on the BBC website last year. And in the men's final in 2021, he was attacked in... in the street in 2022, completely unprovoked attack, was left in a coma, had to go to a rehabilitation unit for over a year. And he's made a recovery to be able to come back to being a line judge. He has a mic.

because his speech is impaired as a result of the attack as well, so his calls need to be amplified. But I just found it really... really quite moving, actually. He's been back being a lying judge the last two years here at Roland Garros. He's the first ever wheelchair user lying judge on court, Philippe Chatteret, and he's done it. He has been on...

Philippe Chattray this tournament already. I hadn't seen those matches, but I noticed him today and, yeah, just thought it was worth mentioning. It was, yeah, really good report by the BBC last year. That's incredible. What a way to end part one. We'll be back. in part two to talk about the women and Lois Boisson.

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Welcome back to part two of the tennis podcast, where it is time, folks, to talk about Lois Boisson. Don't say your card wasn't marked. I told you after her epic victory over Elsa Giacomo. the last round that Lois Boisson was a good watch. But even I was shocked to see her defeat. Jessica Pagula, 3-6, 6-4, 6-4. On court, Philippe Chatre earlier in one of the moments of certainly the tournament, maybe Roland Garros in recent years.

David, you were up there. It was special. It was exhilarating. She had the place in the palm of her hand. She had the press box in the palm of her hand. I was sat next to one chap who was quietly punching the air, you know, as the winners were being... hit by her and I just I just loved the way she goes about it she's such a creative player she's such a sort of quiet

player in the way she plays her stroke. She's not just bashing the ball around, she's stroking it into different parts of the course. Basically because I think that that is her game. I don't think that she's able to play in the more contemporary way that most players do.

Jessica Begula did not really know what to do about it. I mean, she played well, I thought, to stay with her, and she sort of got back on serve in the third set. I did think at times, I think in the end, Begula probably... will win this just the experience and the pedigree and everything else she's such a steady player the fact that Boisson won anyway won with sort of some of these audacious

Lobs and clever sliced backhands float in the ball around. I mean, it made you sort of, you hold your breath because she's hitting sliced backhands. You don't know whether they're landing in or not. And you could feel these intakes of breath all around.

15,000 people watching her. And then when she'd explode into a winner, the place would just erupt. And she has breathed new life back into this tournament because... It has been a tough place for the French the last couple of years. They have not had a huge amount to celebrate. Finally, Artifis had his big moment, and then the guy's got a stress fracture to his back and he can't play. He's out for months, probably.

Here we have a player that nobody expected anything of, even she. I asked her in the press conference, if I'd have told you this would happen a couple of weeks ago, what are you saying? And she says, I would not have thought this would happen. No, no way at all. She was very cool, calm and collected in the press conference. I think I may be a little bit baffled as to why there were so many people in the room. It's new to her. But...

She was fantastic, and I love that there's a story like this to go with all the big names. There was quite a revealing answer, I thought, from Jessica Begula in her press conference afterwards when she was asked by Matt... Futterman, who is sitting next to me, about how difficult it is playing somebody so low-ranked and has such little tour experience where there's very little data and very little footage.

available of your opponent to do the research ahead of the match. There's not much on YouTube of Lois Boisson. And Pegula said, actually, that wasn't an issue. We felt like we got enough footage. I felt like... I wasn't surprised by how she played today. I felt well prepared for it. There weren't any surprises for me. She said, what I was surprised by, what I didn't know going into the match was how she would handle the big moments.

And it kind of backed up my impression watching the match was that, and I know this is harsh, but I think Jessica Bagula was expecting Lois Boisson to choke. or tighten up to a greater degree than she did. Yeah, I was expecting that. And she didn't. Like, I do think, look, this is harsh because...

As always, there's a counter-argument of make them play. Make them play. Get the ball back. Get the ball in court. Don't give them anything. Ask them the questions. But I think she could have done more.

She offered that up on a platter for Lois Boisson and asked her the question and fair play to Boisson, she had the answers. Yeah, I think she was completely... caught between those things wasn't she like she did want to make Boisson play but also I think about halfway through the match she completely lost trust in her own game to go after the ball so she actually ended up

really tight herself, Pagoula, and that was a nightmare against the type of ball that you get from Boisson because she's got those ground strokes that are completely different from each other. Her forehand is... heavy but also with a huge amount of neck clearance it's topspin moon balls but her backhand is essentially either she loops it with basically nothing on it at all or she slices it with kind of nothing on it at all it does sit there

But Pagula wasn't accelerating on her shots. She was tight, I think. And it just became a sort of trap match for Pagula. An absolute nightmare. It looked like she was hating it. And like... Boisson was really...

I found her so entertaining to watch that variety, that throwback nature of her game. It's just a sort of game that you don't really see very often. You only had to look at the expressions on people's faces, either in the press box or in the... crowd you know very near the press box they were loving it they were so into this the chants of her name but I by the end I just found the whole thing extremely funny because Pagula was trying to get the break back in that final game.

She had four break-back points in that final game with Boisson serving it out. And at one point she played a lovely point per Goula. It was probably the best point she played in a while. She hit a wonderful cross-court angled forehand. and boisson mishit a drop shot and it went for a winner and it's just like unfortunately jessica like

you are not going to win this match if Boston was pulling out those sorts of shots. I think it was a total fluke, but it ended up being this amazing winner. People were just laughing all around us. Pagula then had a...

a backhand pass that she should have made off a very odd shock choice from Boisson. She was on top of the net and she attempted a sort of... Well, she attempted a Mazzetti-style drop shot smash, except she got it all wrong. She sort of served it up for... to slide into and hit a winner and she netted it.

There was just sort of this comedic element to those closing stages of the match, but it was enthralling. She heard you say, when it reaches the middle point of a slam, you just need funny. Matt Roberts needs funny. Yeah. The thing is, though, I felt for Pergoula because it looked like torture for her. Like, I really do think that she was having a terrible time. I think the whole tournament needed...

something today. When we came in, not much was going on and not much was expected to really happen today, I don't feel. And suddenly, Boisson happened. And nobody cared about anything anymore. I needed it because there's been a bad development in my trouser situation. Really bad, actually. Yeah. They've gone missing. Yeah.

I neither have the money that I spent on the trousers nor the trousers. Bad situation. You can't believe you spent the morning of a grand slam at the post office. Like, that is bad. Yeah, it's bad enough in itself, but to come away with no trousers.

It's dreadful. Anyway, once again, I'm going to repeat the appeal. If anyone's seen the Cezanne package full of trousers. In the Pilancourt area. In the Pilancourt area. Please do let us know. Because the weather is about to take a turn for the worse.

as well. Oh, is it? Oh, great. I think, and I don't want to pour a load of cold water on the French poisson hype. You better not. Because, look, I was wrapped up in it. There was a brief moment where they started singing the Marseillaise before the umpire shut it down. But, you know, it was absolute scenes out there. It was amazing. I think Andreva is going to take her apart.

Yeah, I do too. She really shouldn't do. I just don't think that game, I think it was a very, like, I think if Pagula played her again on, like, just on the tour. I think Pagoula beats her easily. I think it was very scenario-based today. And look, maybe we get that again on Chatrier, full house, French player going for the semis. Maybe that can ruffle Andreva, but...

I don't know. I just think the quality gap's going to be too big. And she's going to deal with those off-pace balls. She's got more dexterity in that sense than Pagoula, I think. Pagoula's never played a French player here. That's interesting. And she was aware of that. I did think that having thought about Boisson's game today, having beaten Dario Kasikina is not the worst stress rehearsal. Right. In terms of not huge power. Generating your own pace.

Yeah, 6-3-7-5 for Androva over Kasichina today, who she called her sister. Aww. Which is lovely. She's playing damn well, isn't she, Androva? Yeah, and she's growing into the tournament, which is, I think, what you want to be doing. That's what the best players do. you know they don't always play out of the mind at the start of tournaments they want to be getting better and peaking towards the end and she's doing that within matches every match she's playing she seems to start

quite slowly and and and either be neck and neck or a breakdown and then she just takes over. Yeah, years ago I remember Daya Kasakini coming on the scene and she was the kind of Andreva of her day you know you're looking at 10 years ago nearly now and she was exciting and different to watch but there was never the sort of bite to her game that Andreva's got and as Andreva has grown physically

She's a formidable player. It's not just nice to look at now. It's lethal. But the other thing she added to her games today, I mean, there were two or three rallies. where she won points out of nowhere with retrieving. With just, how is she even getting rackets on these balls? But she's getting them back in the court. And she's scrambled.

the brain of Kasachina out there today. Yeah if you want to sort of see the absolute best of Andreva just put on the last four games of this match because Kasachina had a set point in in the second set she led it 5-3 but the tennis Andreva played down down the stretch there a lovely mix of getting on the front foot

changing the dynamic of a rally with a backhand down the line or, what David's describing there, just this incredible defence and anticipation. And again, I'll use that word dexterity because it's all... very well anticipating the shot, that she was then in an awkward position and had to get it back. And she had the hand skills to be able to do that. I think Kasikina probably should have finished some of those points off. But, you know, Andreva really sort of just made her hit.

those extra balls and yeah it was it was a really impressive surge to finish and finish and yeah i think she's um i think she's playing really well and driver rival podcaster sam query just walked past us i'm right on cue

just told us we're the best. Thank you very much, sir. God, that was sensational. Wasn't Sam Querrey. He did have a good look, though. So we'll have Boisson against Andreva in the quarterfinals in a couple of days' time. And we will have Coco Gough against Madison Keys. Can't wait for that. Gough beating Alexandreva 6-7-5 on Chatrier and Keys beating Hayley Baptiste 6-3-7-5 on...

Longland both impressive today yeah and and in two very different sets for Coco Gauff in particular we we watched the first set of that at the flat and I mean I did feel for Aleksandra, who just hasn't been in that many matches like this. I mean, the second time she's reached the stage of a Grand Slam and she looked...

as though she was completely overwhelmed by the situation when she first went on to Chattery. I mean, it was... no games at all in about 10 minutes and you know sort of four what four love down five of five love down yeah yeah i mean it was dramatic how one-sided it was and fair play to her she got herself into it in that second set and looked really dangerous and I thought she might well win that set and another example of just what a competitor an athlete Coco Goff is because I think

Most players are losing that set when Alexandre was hitting the ball like that. So she got the job done in two sets. That will make her feel good. I really enjoyed what I saw of Madison Keyes against Hayley Baptiste. I thought that was... a good test for um for keys because baptiste is a

a stylish player who's got a lot of variety and different you've got to stay very patient and pull the trigger at the right time and when I arrived at the court suddenly she just hit the zone and to watch her ball from just behind in those press seats of ours the speed it goes sometimes it was going down the middle straight at Baptiste but it was so fast she just couldn't

couldn't react and get it back over the net properly. It was a good win. Yeah, and Goff-Keys is just such a tantalising prospect to me. They've not met on... clay outside of Madrid so you know Madrid is so different isn't it with the altitude and it was Keyes who who won that one in Madrid It just feels like a lovely clash of styles, you know, like we know that... I think to pigeonhole...

Certainly Gough as a defender would not be fair. She's capable of doing a lot more than that. But her defence is absolutely world class. And Keyes' attack is absolutely world class with her big hits on the ground stroke. So those two...

coming up against each other I just think it's going to be fascinating I feel like Keys is going to be directing a lot of Hard traffic into the goth forehand just like go after that shot I would have thought but then goth with her movement and her You know her defense and her

Grits, I'm sure, can cause Keys problems as well. So this Keys, this Grand Slam 2025 Keys, coming up against Goff, who... we know is is so great as well like that is just oh i'm really excited about just hope they both play well you know at the same time i think they will yeah i'm

We've got a good quarter-final line-up here. Yeah, we really have. It's hilarious, isn't it? We're going to have seven of the top 15 and the world number 361. I've got to love it. It's just great. Yeah, that is wild, isn't it? I think the lowest ranked woman to reach a quarterfinal at a slam since 2017, which actually isn't... quite as fun as status. I thought 361 in the world, like it's going to have been, possibly never have happened before, but I think it...

Enter Kaya Kanepi to ruin a stand. She's the fifth woman since 1990 to reach the quarters at her first ever slam. Wow. And the last person to do that was Carla Suarez Navarro. in 2008, which I didn't know until Opta told me today. She's now the Spanish Billie Jean King Cup captain, isn't she? Yeah. Lovely stuff. The last man to have that stat. Aslan Karatsev.

As Danker Flatser. Folks, that is it for part two. As we finish part two, Yannick Sinner is currently four all against Andrei Rublev in the third set. And currently my only take from that match is that Marit Safin is... Not ageing brilliantly. So let's go and watch the rest of it so that I can develop some more takes. We'll be back in part three. Here we are. A couple of pints. Great. Neck oil, yeah? As requested. So, what did you get up to this weekend? Well...

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Welcome back to part three of the tennis podcast where fans are now streaming out of court Philippe Chatrier and well we didn't finish part two all that long ago because Yannick Sinner needed not all that much time to finish off Andre Robles. 6'1", 6'3", 6'4". He didn't give me much time to have any further takes, David. Do you have any? We've just chatted to a tennis podcast listener who said that Yannick Sinner was claiming...

that they tried to change their games during the match, but he couldn't see any changes to the game of Andrei Rublev in the match. And really, whenever I've seen Rublev throughout his career... It's just not something that he does. I think Yannick Sinner has so much more to his game. He can do everything that Rublev can do and loads, loads more. And that's always been what I've seen when they've played in the past.

The bits that I saw tonight, they were fleeting. But I mean, frankly, the match didn't last very long. So most of it was fleeting. And again, Cena is just so efficient, isn't he? He doesn't have the lapses in matches that... Alcaraz has, for instance. And that doesn't mean to say that Alcaraz isn't necessarily the favourite if they end up meeting, but Sinner making his way through this draw, staying fresh exactly where he wants to be.

Yeah, I think that's my take really, because if we go back 10 days or so when we were talking about the draw, we were thinking that Yannick Sinners looked quite tough. You know, I think we'd sort of plotted a path for him. that included Alejandro Davidovich Fakina. We've plotted a path that included Artifis and that included Jack Draper. And it's a very...

Yannick-Sinner thing that we've probably overlooked there. Like, no, he's the reliable one. He's the one who will definitely get there. And all these other guys in this section, okay, I know Feast is unfortunate to have been struck down by injury, but like... You can't really rely on anyone like you can rely on Yannick Sinnoh. And he's done his bit in this side of the draw and he's been absolutely awesome. But the threats that we thought he would have haven't been there.

He's taken care of Lehechka, he's taken care of Rublev, and now he's got Bublik rather than Draper. And look, I know we've just spent an hour and a half, we've just spent parts one talking about how Bublik was the best player in the world for an hour and a half today, but... Personally, I would be absolutely stunned if Alexander Bublik beat Yannick Sinner. And the level is so high and it's hard to live with him and it's reliably high.

Yeah, he's, you know, let's not forget, it's only his second tournament back. And I know it wasn't an injury layoff, it was a different type of layoff. But I still am, I think, impressed with how quickly he's back at... his top level it seems and yeah like there's going to be the bigger tests to come for him because we know that Djokovic and Zverev are in that quarterfinal if he does beat Public he's going to play one of them so

Yeah, like just incredibly impressive. And another boost for him is the fact that Alexander Bublik in his on-court interview after his big win said, I've got one more match. He was saying to the crowd, Alex Crutcher was asking him to, you know, don't worry about, you know, let it all out. Express your emotion. It's fine to cry. And he said, no, no, I've got one more match. I can't let it all out. That is...

It's not what Yannick Sinner is saying. Put it that way. But he was the best player in the world for an hour and a half. So anything can happen. Wouldn't it be fascinating if he found that sort of level against Sinner? I kind of want to see it. I worry about... Chatrier just doesn't feel like the sort of place where Bublik will be able to produce that. It just doesn't feel like it'll suit it. I do know what you mean. There's an intimacy and a feeling of...

schools out about Longlin and Mathieu sometimes as though it's a bit unregulated and anything could happen. Having said all that... Lois Boisson made me think today that anything is possible on court Philippe Chatrier. The thing is, Bublik's clearly playing extremely well. Over a long period now, he's won a lot of matches on the clay this season. There was a stat in his press conference.

that he's won more matches in this one season on clay than he had in his previous three clay court seasons put together. I have to think that he will find some kind of inspirational form in the match. But the thing that I'm... not confident about is that he'll be able to sustain it against Sinner in the way he's been able to sustain it against De Menor and Draper. Also, Sinner has an incredible way of just taking the sting out of a...

of an atmosphere, of a match, of an occasion, because he's just... You're calling him a buzzkill? I'm calling him so good that he... doesn't allow the opponent to do the fun things that they might be able to do. I know like Mutay here last year started it, didn't he, for five games. But then, as soon as Sinner shut that thing down, we never got Mute in the match again. I just think something like that might happen. Sinner's too good, I think, for...

for Bublik to play that way against over five sets. Yeah. And also Bublik knows that as well. You know, they played that match in Miami when Bublik said to him at the net, you're not human.

Bublik is the most aware of Sinner's incredible levels. It's not sounding great for Bublik right now, having spent one part of the show massively biggying him up. tearing him down in the space of the same show. But I don't disagree with anything you are saying. Those quarterfinals will be in two days' time. What have we got for you tomorrow? Well, we start with the women, of course, on Chaturay, 11am. No emphasis excitement ratings for today. Maybe they're overexcited. They've gone.

Just as I got into them, they've gone. Svitolina against Svantec is second up. Then it is Lorenzo Mazzetti against Francis Tiafoe. And finally, Tommy Paul against Carlos Alcaraz. How much does the scheduling of that match at night... change your view on how it'll play out? I think it gives Tommy Paul a better chance. I do. How much of a better chance? How much of a chance? Ham gave percentages, David.

I would have thought that that match is 85-15 in the heat of the afternoon. And I think it's more like... 70-30 at night. That would be my feel. I mean, I just think... Look, Tommy Paul is just really good in virtually every department. I think he does have one wing that is stronger than the other, but he's capable of moving with our crowds for the majority. He serves well enough.

He's just a fantastic athlete. He's a great competitor these days. Alcraz is going to need to be on it. That is the bottom line. If Alcraz placed near enough to his level, he will win. If he doesn't...

he could find himself in a really tough night. Yeah, it's going to be very interesting, isn't it? Yeah, the night session definitely puts a different spin on this, for sure. The thing is, I've not been that... impressed with Paul's level this tournament we've thought he's injured since round one right and I know he then beat Popper in easily and I know he talked about the fact that people he said like

You guys, talking about the media, you guys overrate, I think, how hard it is for me to bounce back from five sets. He said, it's not actually that big a deal for me, playing five sets, having a day off, playing another five setter. He didn't seem that...

bothered about it physically but like the fact that he went five sets with Martin Fuchsiewicz he wasn't very good in the first round against Moller he needed five sets against Hachner I just don't know whether Paul is at his best right now to be honest so The night session definitely concerns me for Alcaraz, but I'm not sure Paul's in his absolute...

best form either. So I am definitely, you know, not a shocking conclusion to this bit of analysis, definitely taking Alcrest to win that one. He said he's only getting six hours sleep, six hours of broken sleep a night while he's here. And he usually gets nine. It's relatable stuff from Tommy Paul. I mean, nobody in this whole city is sleeping well at the moment, are they? Because of all the honking.

Two straight nights of relentless honking. There was a moment in Djokovic's press conference where he told a story about how there was a point on Saturday night when they were thinking about not going back to the hotel. Yeah, it's been really edgy. Because it might have been dangerous. Yeah, they were really concerned with the security, weren't they? Yeah. I mean, people died.

on that night. And there were hundreds of arrests, despite the fact that Paris Saint-Germain won. I mean, it has been edgy. Even walking home just in our area was a bit tense last night.

Men hanging out of car windows. Yeah. Which is not something I was expecting. Okay, that's tomorrow. On Longland, it's doubles. There's legends on there. Tomorrow. So there's still stuff. If you are coming and you don't have a ticket for Chattray, you'll still have a good time. But the omelette is closed in terms of singles. Annette Kontovate is playing the Legions.

Old shit. Yeah, that really... Late 20s? It made me a bit sad, actually, when I read that in the press release. Yeah, I find that quite tough. Yeah. That is sad. OK, well, on that sad note, our mascot for today's show. Or mascots, rather. This is a treat, folks. We have Lucy and Millie. Since her first appearance in May 2024 as an episode mascot, Lucy, who we know, seven-year-old boxer, dog, welcomed or perhaps has learned to tolerate and ultimately love her new feline sister, Millie.

Millie is a one-year-old medium-haired tabby rescued from a shelter close to her home in suburban Chicago, where she lives with Ted and family. Lucy loves to take long walks through town with Ted while he listens. to the tennis podcast. She did not, however, seem to understand when Ted excitedly informed Lucy in September that he had met Catherine on the middle Monday of the 2024 US Open. Oh, that's so nice. Millie, for her part, enjoys exploring...

every inch, cupboard, box and bag in her new home, as well as sneaking up on her canine sister when Lucy least expects it. They're an amusing pair whose relationship brings considerable laughter. and joy to the household. And I've got an incredible picture here of Lucy and Millie together, where unexpectedly... Lucy looks less into it than Millie.

I would say usually it's the cat that is less into things than the dog. But in this one, the cat is actually posing very nicely. And it's Lucy, the dog, who looks like she might be there under some duress. But it's... Lovely, Ted, to hear that they are friends. And that is my favourite thing, inter-animal friendship. So, Ted, thank you very much. Hope to see you again at this year's US Open. And thank you for bringing back Lucy.

Bringing in Millie. We, of course, have our mascots, Phoebe, Maisie and Roger. Hello to you all. Hello to our top folks and executive producers, Greg, Chris and Jeff. And Matt, we have some shout-outs. We have Hazel Thomas from Fort Worth, Texas. Hi, Hazel. Former home of the WTA finals, of course. That's right.

And Hazel is a graduate of Texas Christian University, the same university where Cameron Norrie and Jacob Fernley played. Who played one another a couple of days ago. Obviously Norrie won and... And ended up playing today against Djokovic. But an incredible triumph for that university to have two players facing off in the round of 32 at a Grand Slam. Incredible.

I'll assume Hazel is good at tennis because obviously I assume everyone that's been to that university is good at tennis. Based on a sample size of two. We've also got Rachel Kirby. Hello, Rachel. Hi, Rachel. Rachel is from Battle in East Sussex. Rachel, like Rachel McQuillan. It's always McQuillan, isn't it? Yes. And it's always going to be until somebody else comes up with a better one. I love that there's a place called Battle. There's Hastings and there's Battle. Yes, and Rachel says...

Catherine guessed correctly last time, battle is the site of the Battle of Hastings. Oh, I've done this material. Matt always waits for me to stitch myself up before revealing this. Which is so fun. I wasn't going to bring it up, but then you did bring it up. Well, David did Rachel McQuillan again. Yeah. But he admitted that he'd done it again.

All right, thanks, Rachel. And Rachel says, thank you for keeping me company on my long runs as I trained for the Paris Marathon this year. You're very welcome. I had an ex-boyfriend that ran the Paris Marathon in a full tracksuit in 32 degrees. Why? He was such unattractive finish line photos. He was a bit of an idiot. All reasons why he's ex. It was a long time ago. Thank you, Rachel. And finally, we have Alex Presidern.

Alex, teach trez. Indeed. This is Matt's tennis coach. Alex says, one half of the self-proclaimed Merck twins, after our selfies with Al Kraz and Craig Shikova, Wimbledon in recent years, but more recently, and perhaps more notably, tasked with coaching Matt and attempting to rediscover his backhand. Initial results are promising, Pam Shriver, watch out.

He's called out Pam. Pam is not taking this well right now, I'm telling you. You're going to get a message in a minute. I can't wait. Alex, you have found the Roberts backhand, and for that... Well, Matt potentially owes you everything, despite the fact that he's not paying you for your... Your coaching services. I have offered. And yeah, I would like to extend the shout out to not only Alex, but also Luke and Dan. Luke and the lads. Yeah.

We make a doubles foursome. It's been very nice that they've welcomed me into their friendship group and it's been a great thing playing with them this year. Lovely stuff. Thank you, Alex. Thank you, Hazel. Thank you, Rachel. Thank you to all of our friends of the Tennis Podcast. It's been a great day. Thank you, Lois Boisson and Alexander Bublik. We will be back to rerun the fun tomorrow.

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