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Well, folks, it is 317 AM. We're at tennis podcast hours, Paris and Nova Jocovic has just defeated Lorenzo Mazzetti, 76672663, 6 love in four hours and 29 minutes. The match finishing at 306 in the morning. How are we doing? How are you doing, David? Fine. I think that's the latest finish by nearly two hours in the history of the tournament.
If you only go back a few years, then these are the 9pm when the daylight disappeared. Well, there's a different world these days. But I've got to say, what I just witnessed from Jocovic coming back from two sets to one down there against Lorenzo Mazzetti playing.
The best tennis I've ever seen in play, that has answered some questions for me about Nova Jocovic. How are you feeling, Matt? Because Nova Jocovic is feeling like a king right now. He's the only person in the vicinity that's feeling vaguely human.
He got better after 2am. How does that work? Honestly, I think this was the day that sort of broke the Frank Chaupe, to be honest. They just started playing in the middle of a downpour earlier. They were like, let's just get on with it. It's raining but we'll play. And then they just kept playing at 3am. Two things that happened today, which some people will think is normal. It's not normal. It's ridiculous. It's absolutely insane, but we've just seen.
How much of what we've just seen in terms of not in terms of Jocovic's performance, we will talk about that. How much of what you've just described was preventable? All of it. Go on. It's very difficult when you have terrible weather at a tournament. That's a fact. I imagine this tournament has been an absolute nightmare for the sheddilers. They're still playing the first round of the doubles for goodness sake.
We'll weaken to this tournament and they're still trying to finish the first round. It's rained every single day. Thank goodness we have two roofs now. Sicit dops are not taken to the court yet together. People are still waiting. They're just been on the order of play every single day. But like two years ago at the US Open, they played till what, 250am, latest finish in the tournament history. Last year at the Australian Open, Andy Murray finished at 405am.
Now we've just finished at gone 3am at Roland Garros. This is not a one off. This is a preventable problem for tennis generally. It's a problem that tennis has to fix. It's absolutely absurd. It keeps happening. Obviously one way of doing it is having a curfew in place. Starting earlier in the day, the next morning, there are things that you can do to ensure that you're not playing tennis at 3am.
I'm not going crazy to say that the only way to get the French Open down is to be playing at 3am. There are other ways even when there's rain. But it's going to take the sport as a whole, deciding to tackle this issue. The part of the problem is that will get represented as a legendary no-bent-yokovic moment. It was sort of legendary building. It was remarkable what he just did. But that's not the point. Neither he nor the endomazetti should be out there at that time.
It was very well populated still. That wasn't far off. Not full, but it was a good crowd. It was a good crowd. I'm sure it was helped by the fact it was Saturday night. That's not the point. TV figures is completely hostile to them as competitors to have them out there as 3am. No other professional sport does it for a reason. As I say, absolutely remarkable when Overtokovic did the way he was hitting the ball at the end, extraordinary.
But we saw the effect that that took on Daniel Memphidev at the Australian Open finishing at that time. He said every match that he played afterwards he was diminished by a couple of sets in and eventually caught up with him in the final. I don't know whether tonight is as good as no-bent-yokovic as tennis was by the end and it was awesome by the end. Bestie's played all year. I'm sure.
I don't know whether it's that conducive to actually helping him go on to win this tournament. There is a knock-on effect from a match like that. That's the tournament that has put no-bent-yokovic in that position. I am finding that element of it absolutely fascinating because on one hand, not only is Novertokovic somehow found tonight his best tennis of the year I agree by far and also found the competitive animal in him that's been missing for so long.
The defiance that you're not taking this from me to absolutely the critical elements to what Novertokovic is. But on the other hand, he's so rarely in this position as much as tennis is so often in the position of putting athletes on outrageous times of night and making them wait all day long for unknown match start times that are totally movable feast.
Novertokovic, and this is a situation that he's earned with his status in the sport. Novertokovic is very rarely on the receiving end of that. The greater your status in the sport, the less you're in that position, the more you're playing under roofs, the more you get the night session slot with a known start time and the prime night session slot.
This is fairly uncharted territory for Novertokovic and adding the fact it was four hours and 29 minutes and we think he's been struggling physically certainly more than we're used to with him. This is a very, very interesting situation for Novertokovic now going forward.
Yeah, because he could very likely have a kind of jet lag as a result of this time because just to give you an idea, Casparoud has just tweeted about this match that he was watching and saying is tennis the toughest sport in the world. And he was pointing out that he finished his match two hours ago or more than two hours ago and he's still up at 3 am. He was even midnight when he finished against Thomas Smertinich of very many one and four sets.
But I mean, he detailed it. I come off, I might have to do anti-doping, I've got to speak to the media, I've got to do an ice bath and then I start on treatment and massage to get ready for the next day. Although long on the court just now, he's just done two interviews there. They'll be quick in a mixed zone sort of a combine, combine thing that won't take too long. But he may well not get to bed until about seven in the morning.
That is a realistic time from where we are right now and that is going to throw your body off. But you are right, Catherine, because two sets to one down, just to go through the match, he wrestled the first set from Misedi and the biggest shock of the night to me was the way Misedi managed to win the second set in 80 minutes set, hour and 20 minutes second set.
When Novak Djokovic in the tie break was playing to go home, he was playing to finish this match because at two sets to love up, he is thinking this is mine in three. And he did all the things he does. He was put in balls on bass slides, he was really stepping in and leaning into those ground strokes and trying to just push Misedi around. And I was very surprised that Misedi not only responded, but won three straight points at the end from set point down to take it off him.
And then so that's once at all, third set was a diminished looking Djokovic to be honest, a shocked. The sort of player that we've seen quite a lot throughout the year and Misedi was coming on strong and at two sets to one there and at an easy third set, I just asked myself the question. I think I said it out loud in this room. How deep is Novak Djokovic with 24 grand slam titles already won and a hundred million plus in the bank and 37 years of age, two kids.
How deep does he really want to dig? How darker places he prepared to go and suffer to try to come back and win this match? Well, he gave us the answer and I think he did get stronger in the fourth set after 2 am because he started to just, I think he just gave himself to the occasion. He looked around. That crowd was there for him, a lot of them and he loved it. He suddenly sort of embraced that. He took energy from it.
And he almost kind of went with the absurdity of it all. Now, the truth is that's great tonight. But we don't know how we'll rebound. It's nowhere near the end of the tournament. This isn't suffer at the end of the tournament with one match to go. We're not even halfway. So he's got a lot ahead of him and it will be fascinating to see what happens.
To think that, I mean, how long ago was it? I was looking at him at the end of that second set tie break, that 80-minute second set thinking he looks like a guy that thinks he has to get this done in straight sets. Even before he'd lost the third set, so one side at least six, two. Fantastic set from Mazzetti, just sublime tennis. I didn't think he had it physically in him to win him for quite frankly, let alone to win him five.
And I think maybe that jock of itch that we were seeing at that moment didn't have it in him. He found the old Novak jock of itch tonight that we were that has been dormant, that frankly was dormant throughout the Australian open really if we look back, even though he reached that semi-final. He never reached this gear anywhere like it at any stage of that tournament. And his tournament now is so fascinating.
Yeah, completely, because as you say, he's found that gear, but what he's had to go through to find it and what the knock-on effect will be. He plays Francisco Serundolo, I believe, in the next round who beat Tommy Brown today. He's tucked up in bed. He finished it a mere midnight or something, no big deal. Yeah, he should have his body clock nicely sorted out by the time the plate should have.
And look, instinctively, I don't think he's the sort of player that would trouble jock of itch in the same way that Mazzetti did tonight. I mean, there is this extraordinary Novak jock of itch stat at Ronald Garros, where pretty much all of his losses have either been to left handers and most of those are Rafa and Adal. All two guys with one-handed back hands and players with one-handed back hands tend to maybe be able to get a bit more width on their back hand and push jock of itch off.
They tend to maybe have a bit more variety on that shot or they tend to have bludgeoning power like a Wolverine, or a team. And those are kind of the attributes that can really threaten jock of itch on a clay pot. Mazzetti's got them. He was awesome today. Like, he had the way to shot. He had the variety of shot. He was causing Novak jock of itch so many problems.
Should he have won? No, to be honest, because I think he played fantastically for three sets. He's in the fourth set, one-all-two-one, something like that. And then jock of itch reaches a gear that Mazzetti doesn't have. Especially not in a fourth set after, you know, well, other three hours. Yeah, so I think overall I come away with some positives really for Lorenzo Mazzetti. But we have seen this sort of performance before against Novak jock of itch.
It's doing it week and week out on the tour where against players that aren't Novak jock of itch where I think Mazzetti really needs to step up. But just to quickly go back to what you said about, like, can the tournament prevent this? Because I don't think I gave it. I was hoping you would, man. Well, I don't think I gave a very good answer really, because the point is kind of what David said.
Like, the tournament coped for years without a night session. It worked as a tournament. They used to finish a sunset, you know. And they then sold out. Sounds so romantic now, isn't it? The sun would set and we'd all go for dinner. They then sold out and put on a night session, which, you know, in the words of me, Andrew Aver earlier, is often sad, cold, dark and depressing.
And has created scheduling issues, has exposed and exacerbated inequalities in the sport and is leading to players finishing at crazy hours. Like, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that they have made the French Open worse. No doubt in my mind. They get a bit more money. They get an extra session and, you know, some more fans in and they get their partnership with Prime. But it is a worse experience now, I think, because of the night session.
For who? What about all those extra fans who maybe don't get to see tennis now? They've just had a great night. Well, they do get to see tennis because there are opportunities to go to tennis tournaments that aren't night sessions like weekends and yes, they've had a great experience, but they can have great experiences other time. Sounds out though. So this is an extra 15,000 people every night. If you're just saying is that is that the only thing we're measuring here?
The night sessions are a disaster. We talk about them all the time. Like, there's, there's way more negatives, I think, than just that positive of getting more people into watch tennis. That isn't all we should be doing here. If it was just about getting more people into watch tennis than that of move venue, wouldn't they? Years ago, because that's the big picture limit on getting volume in. Like, the place isn't big enough. We experienced that today.
There was a, well, basically due to incessant rain and today was worse than, than was forecast. There were a situation where the some of the held over matches from yesterday were at risk of not being completed. So it's late afternoon and you've got Hubert Herkatch and Dennis Schappelvalov. Hubert Herkatch has been in a state of suspendu on the schedule for about 14 weeks now.
You look at your, your list of scores on your screen in front of you at the desk and sure enough, death taxes, Hubert Herkatch is suspendu. And you've got Grigal Dimitrov and Zizi Bergs and there was one other as well, I think, but I can't remember what that was. Anyways, it's obviously the shed just lit at those and those got good guard we have to get, we have to ensure that these are done.
The only way to be absolutely certain that these matches get completed is to put them under a roof. Right, we've got two matches. I think it was just two actually. We've got two matches, two roofs. I know what to do. So they put Hubert Herkatch, Dennis Schappelvalov on Longland to follow the match that is midway through at that point, which is Daniel Webford Evan Thomas Mahatch.
The unsuspecting Longland crowd at the time don't know that are about to get bonus Hubert Herkatch. What a surprise for them. And then Philip Schattrie gets bonus Grigal Dimitrov and Zizi Bergs. Now at the stage that that is announced and that decision is made, Alexander's Verivus two sets to one up on Talon Greeks' board.
We're obviously thinking we can sneak a couple of Grigal Dimitrov sets onto Schattrie in between the day and night sessions. Now there have been gaps between the infuriating gaps on Schattrie between the day and night sessions over the past few days when you've been looking at this empty court under a roof when all these un-reafed courts have been sat collecting rain and players Hubert Herkatch, that's suspend due.
In the backstage area, so I do get the thinking, but of course, Dennis being Dennis, things happened and suddenly his Verivus and the fifth set of course Grigal Dimitrov didn't get the job done quickly. So he has his own mini little night session and no bad job of it, and Lorenzo Mazzetti don't even step on court until 10.35, and then of course they have to do 10 minutes of fath.
So 10.45, and we're just getting underway. I can't believe all that happened. And Damien Dumi Swal rescued a pigeon from that today. That was all today. And there was a terrible crowd situation. Yes, sorry, that was the point I was making, wasn't it? Right. So it's very finished. It's obviously five set match. Crowd stop pouring out a chattier. There's the night session crowd that have already arrived. 15,000.
15,000, and they're filling the corridors of Roland Garros, which are not broad. You know, this is not this is a place that is an absolute max capacity. There is no there is no flex in there whatsoever. There is there is no surplus. It is it is I think always at risk of a situation which we encountered today, which is essentially where the day and night session crowds overlapped.
There seemed to be a bit of confusion about whether the the Dimitrov Burg's match was for the day session or for the night sessions and night session crowd were being prevented from going in. But the day session crowd were being allowed to leave. Of course, you can't lock them in. They can't even have a beer in there. So you had essentially 30,000 people ish. Not all in the same place.
But to me returning from court three at the time, I've been sat in the rain watching Bianca and Rescu are matched that definitely should have been suspended after the second set because it was fully just pouring rain. I can't believe what this happened. I got caught up in that in those many thousands of people and it was deeply unpleasant.
Now look, I do I get quite panicky in those sorts of situations. You know, some people were were laughing about the ludicrous of it all. But some people were really, really distressed as well. And when you're stuck in a situation like that, I'm not tall like you David. I didn't know where the end was. I was just stuck. It wasn't moving. It felt in fact like more and more people were coming into this confined area and it was getting more and more cramped.
It was really, really stressful and unpleasant and preventable. It did make me think of you know, all those years ago, I can't remember it was you'll probably remember better than me. It was a big topic conversation where the site would move. Now the site is beautiful. I love it. They've done wonderful things to it. The improvements they've made are tremendous, but it's too small.
And if that was really the goal of all these decisions, more people through the gates, sort of more democratic approach to tennis, getting as many people getting a taste of the French open as possible and falling in love with tennis. You'd you'd have moved in made the overall capacity bigger, I think. And certainly made the grounds capacity bigger, because that is the most accessible democratic way for people to be able to experience a grand slam.
And you'd have prevented sort of crushes like like I was in earlier. There were there were there were fun bits today. As I said, Damien, do me so I'll rescue you to pitch it on on long list. And there was some amazing tennis. Yeah. There were some great matches. It was just there was a real low point in the middle of the day when all the outside courts were rained off. And you'd got a couple of pretty dull matches on court not going anywhere.
Really, or at least in the early stages of the night, a major end gelo at that point, I had to go and get some biscuits. But the weather did defeat David. Yes, for a bit for a bit. And then and then the comeback on Shatterie of the match that I'd been watching suddenly burst into life just at the same time as about another four matches with the weather clearing up all took to a court.
You say that David, but the weather really wasn't clearing up. Okay, that's just decided to get the back. Clear up a bit that they basically decided they just said tennis is a water sport now. Yeah, we've reached level of rain, which we've decided is tolerable. Could you get back out there, please? Look, I've been a Queen's for many, many years where we've had a lot of rain issues. And you do get to a point of the tournament.
Players get to a point to the tournament where they just say, let's just get these matches played. Don't care what the conditions are like. And they sometimes risk injury. They certainly reduce their chances of actually walking away with a win because they almost want to get to next week, rather than worrying about this one anymore.
Grand slam, that's not going to be the case in the same way, but it definitely felt as though boundaries were being pushed in a way that you don't see at a Grand slam very, very often. And well, you got the brunt of it. That would be a grand rescue. Yeah, I was really unfortunate. And and rescue and Jasmine Paulini were really unfortunate. So I mean, they played the whole match in at best missed.
Most of the time, light rain. But then after being called to be on Cresky, Kate fought back on the second set. It was a match that was really resembling her Callin Sky a match from a couple of nights ago, which she'd made incredibly, and dress, you this has made an incredibly slow start and
really got on top of the match in the second set. They sat down at the change over between the second and third sets, and it just started pouring down. And I was watching the life scores very, very closely throughout my time.
Courtside on court three, which is where the and rescue match had ended up moved to. And I could see all the other courts being suspended one by one. I thought that makes total sense. I am drenched. Just, you know, waiting for the moment that this match gets called as clearly our Jasmine Paulini and and
and being grand rescue and it just just never comes Carlos Bernardo's is sitting there with a look on his face of our few swing knowledge, the fact that it's raining. If I don't acknowledge it, then we can get this thing done and everything's fine. Just did that reassuring nod, you know, that reassuring unpire nod and both players queried it, but we're told, no, it's fine.
And I thought they were both tremendously professional about it. I was pretty blown away by that actually just it was clearly so rubbish. You could hear the water pinging off the balls as they were being hit. I mean, it basically became impossible to hit a winner in the third set and how they weren't both
assumed with worry about injury throughout that set. I don't know. I actually asked Andresco about that afterwards because obviously she's been so blighted by injury and she said actually no to be honest, it wasn't on the forefront of her mind. She said the inability to a winner was that was tough, but the injury thing not on her mind and she was very accepting. She said, you know, of course, I didn't want to play in those conditions, but, you know, I respect the
referees' opinions or what have you, although there was a moment when somebody else in that little press gathering in the area told her that it informed her that hers was the only match going on at that time. The other
team was suspended and her face did really drop. She was, she was built set by that which, which I understand, but yeah, it was just fully raining in that third set and tennis was happening and it was dystopian and weird, but as Matt says, that's kind of, it's kind of where we are with this
kind of shape. And I mean, that's where having the courts with the roof on you at least escaped that. I mean, but it's so cold. It was so cold and that contributed, I think, to some of the, the match is going the way they did. I mean, initially when we went out to Longland, Matt and I to see us, Australia, see him against Shelton, that is the coldest I've been at a Grand Slam tournament. I mean, I had to come back eventually, just get another layer on. I mean, it was, and I think
Ben Shelton was thinking similarly, just couldn't get the ball through the court at all. And I actually think Catherine that it really contributed to Alexander's very, very nearly going out of this tournament. Those cold conditions that we saw him suffer with a few weeks ago, Munich he's never done well there.
He doesn't seem to be able to get anything on his shots. And yeah, I mean, he he survived one today that may end up becoming important for him with the weather due to hopefully improve in two days time. David keeps promising glorious weather on Monday. It looks good folks. I'm telling you.
I was appointed over. I just thought I'm never going to be warm again about five hours ago. I had a bath to warm up. That was a while ago. And I just heard a beep in the background of the washing machine that I put on earlier. And just as I set it to go, I thought, it's going to, the cycle's going to end in the middle of the night and it will wake everyone up. I've made a great deal of the night. But here we are. I mean, I've worried.
And we're all up. It's very of three six six four six two four six seven six. I'm going to ask you the same question I asked you about. Mazzetti Matt and I rather suspect I might get a different answer should Greeks bore of one. Yes, I think he should have won this match. David saw more of it than I did, but I pretty much joined the match on on the chat tray just as Greeks bore went for one up in the fifth set.
One great four and a double break exactly and Pam Schreiber made the point on Twitter. It's very, very hard in tennis to do something for the first time. And he was trying to do a few things for the first time, you know, a big win like that reach reach the fourth round of a slam.
You know, there were some firsts on the line here for Greeks bore and that's important context, I think. But what I saw was a guy who frankly isn't a great clotheser at the best of times like that is kind of often my question mark over Greeks bore because you know, he sort of falls into that category of wise, he not ranked higher.
Why is he not better because when you watch him, you think, well, he's got all the shots, he can he can hit hard and flat off both wings. He's got good, big, powerful serve. He's got some decent touch at times. And yet there has been this sort of limit and ceiling on his game. And I think we kind of saw the reason why he got extremely tight in those final stages.
And the double faults came and back hands in the middle of the net and in Zraev's words, he could see that Greeks bore started to think. And that's that's the secret really of tennis, isn't it? Not thinking too much and he got it back together a bit like I was quite impressed that he managed to having having had the double brake lead, he then had to serve to stay in it twice and he did. But obviously by that point he's down in the score and the pressure has changed completely.
It was when he was ahead in the score and the finish line was in sight that it all kind of crumbled. Zraev said that he changed his return position at that point and all he really had to do was hang in there and not mess himself because Greece was doing the missing at that point. And then by the time they got into a final set tie break Zraev had found some of his best tennis and he played an excellent tie break. But yeah, I think four one up double break in the fifth.
These guys are all so good, like you kind of got to be closing it from there. I think Zraev is a difficult player to put away. We've seen this a lot. We saw him against Lucas Klein at the Australian Open when he was second best in the run of play all the way through that match.
Zraev shouldn't have won this match earlier, quite a lot earlier. But then when it turned, I mean from where was he two sets to one up, it was a surprising turnaround. But Grigsport again, when he's playing behind, he's attacking. He was serving a volume a lot.
When Catherine and I were watching the early part of the match, we were commenting on how well he reads the game. He reads what Zraev's going to do. He's almost set in off before he's hit the ball. And conversely, Grigsport is difficult to read. You're not quite sure what he's going to do next because he hits a lot of drop shots and he hits behind you and all sorts of things that made life difficult for Zraev.
And then Zraev just wanted Grigsport to miss. That was his undoing in the full set and why it turned around. He went back into that type of his where he's just account to punch her. He's a retriever. He's a pusher in those situations. And the other guy wasn't missing. And Grigsport was doing the attacking, took over, established a 4-1 lead and honestly, it looked over. And it should have been over at that point.
I said at the time, is he going to do this? And I thought, well, the only way he doesn't do it is if he chokes. Yes, Zraev adjusted his position. He said, because Grigsport was serving a volume so he stood closer.
I said, oh, fine, okay. But the guy choked. And I feel for him, it's tough. And I went into his press conference afterwards and I asked him about it and he said, look, it's not the first time. I've had these situations against other top players and not taken them. And it's about time I took one.
He said, I'll be thinking about this for a few days, at least. And what's that indefinable quality that now enables you to get over the line in those situations? Or if you're a top player, likes to hang in and not be put away? It's so difficult to put your finger on it, but Grigsport just didn't have it today and he should have won.
It's Holger Rune next, for Alexander Zverov, who got the job done in three sets today against Yulzev Kovalik, who defeated Karen Hashanov in five sets the other night, still not over that.
He's not going to get away with one against Reno, I don't think, especially not a Runa who, to his credit, in incredibly different difficult circumstances, his match moved to court number 412 or something in the rain. There were periods when they were just sat in their chairs with a ballboy holding an umbrella.
He seemed to make friends with the ballboy holding an umbrella over and they looked about the same age, him and Holger Runa. And he got that job done in three sets. So I was impressed with that. He's going to be fresh, going into that match against Alexander Zverov, and we always say about Runa, we don't have confidence in him winning a tournament or even reaching the latter stages at the moment, but he's one of the few we think can be anybody on his day.
He would have won in Griggs Boer's shoes today, from that position there's no way I think Runa is losing that. Can he get himself into that position against Zverov? I mean, they've played the once before and he won it comfortably. But on Clay in Munich. I've been impressed with Runa, but I come back to the weather. In two days time it is expected to be quite a lot warmer than it was today. And I just think that that is going to turbo charge Zverov's game because he hates the cold conditions.
It doesn't mean he'll win. The first serve percentage is a big deal. First serve in the first set was only going in about 52% of the time. By the end of the match it's going in 75% of the time again. And then that makes life very difficult, but I really think Runa is in there with a chance in this.
It's a big thing in and of itself. Obviously a high for the first serve percentage of Zverov because his serve so good, but it's also barometer for his whole game, isn't it? You can read so much into it. We'll stick with the men. Daniel Meverev today against Thomas Mahatch. Another great match. 7675, 16. That's where things got weird. 6-4 in the fourth for Daniel Meverev. These two players were dressed for completely different climates today.
Thomas Mahatch was dressed for a European beach. Daniel Meverev for a sort of Siberian ski slope type situation, although he did remove his leggings after winning the first set. How would you rate Daniel Meverev's performance today? I know that's difficult because it was like two different Meverev's today. Why did things get so weird in the third set? Were the leggings the secret to his powers? It's a very good question. I'm not sure I have a good answer, I'm afraid.
I think Meverev played really well today and when I think I was most encouraged by was at some very important moments his serve was there. I really got him out of trouble a lot in those first two sets and I cannot stress enough how good they were. Mahatch was bringing it. When he brings it he is such a joy to watch. The Long Lens stadium absolutely fell in love with him.
His ability to generate pace of nothing ball is, I don't know, pretty much second to none I think on the ATP tour. It's remarkable, especially on the backhand. But it did seem like his only real sort of root to victory was peaking. He had to keep pulling the trigger and going for it down the line and he was doing it a lot of times but could he do it in the latter stages of each set? A lot of times he gets himself into a position.
He's overthink it and does something a bit unnecessary or not ruthless enough. That happened countless times and he couldn't rely on his smash. He kept missing his smash and to the point where he finally made one he was joking about it with the crowd and they acknowledged the struggles that he had gone through with that shot.
Once Meph was taken a two set lead he went up a break and I thought this is going to be over very quickly. Then Meph went off and lost his head and lost his game. I honestly am not sure why. But he dragged the level of the match down. Meph actually didn't start playing as well either. Then it picked up again towards the end. There was an absolutely brilliant game at 3 all in the fourth.
I was pretty encouraged by Meph's performance as I asked him to impress afterwards what he made of Mahaq's performance. I wanted to see if he was jumping on the best player in the world, Bamwack. Obviously he didn't use those terms. There's no time to explain that in a press conference. But he thinks Mahaq's top 10 level. He then went in with top 10 and then he said maybe top 20. There were quite a lot of if he plays like he played today. Yeah.
But look that's high praise. Top 10 is a much higher level than he's at now. He's never been in the top 30. Hit the shot at the tournament today, Mahaq. With his left hand. He set up a left handed passing shot with another left handed passing shot. He hit two in a row. A clean left handed passing shot winner for a right hand down the line, four hand. Unreal.
I think Casper Rude would want to claim on shot at the tournament as well. Anything with your non-racket hand. A clean winner with your non-racket hand beats any shot with your left hand. I tend to agree. It was amazing. I cannot say enough how much I enjoyed this match. It was an absolute treat and the shot making was just sensational. The pigeon rescue happened in the fourth set. Mevadev was delighted with it. I found it quite distressing.
There was a wounded pigeon on the court. Well, that element of it was very distressing. Lo-lipping along. It couldn't fly. Enter Damien Dumi Swah, the chair on Pire. What a hero. Oh, the series getting involved. Yeah, Swift off his chair. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I was thinking, well, he's just responsibility as this. There's no designated wounded pigeon guy. Damien Dumi Swah. You said that about the base. I'm not going to wait and find out. I'm taking control here.
Grabbed a towel. Very quick thinking. At that point, he's chasing a wounded pigeon around the court with a towel and I'm thinking, this doesn't look good for the pigeon. But when he eventually tracks it down, he picks it up with such delicacy and care I wanted to cry. So it's just cradled it off the court now. And then handed it over. I turned to Matt and I said, that's lovely. What's going to happen to it now? What did I say? Best not to think about that.
And then about an hour later, I asked, I said, do you think we could make an inquiry with the tournament about the welfare of the pigeon? And Matt said, I don't think he'd necessarily get an honest answer. Yeah, I felt confident they weren't going to put out a statement and say, we killed the pigeon. Not today anyway. Yeah, we broke the French open. We killed the pigeon. Happy day seven.
So that all happened. One final thing to report from this matter and the member of press conference afterwards, David, a bit of fun for you at 4 a.m. Great. Daniel Medvedev was asked by a colleague of ours, Bill Simon's. Not sure why, but a fun question. He was asked who's three dream dinner party guests are tennis. They have to be within tennis history. Who do you think he said? John Mercurro. Yeah. That's one. Mara Safin. No, but you're not far off. You're going to fall.
David's so good at this. It would have taken me 10 years to guess you've got any. You've got a couple of the go. All we can long now. You're right. Your range is interviews for me now. Is your fixer? Is the other one a female? No, not a female inside. Okay. I think the sausage fest at dinner. I think the other one is... Sorry, I'm David. We might have misled you with tennis history. Yeah. This one... Current player. Yeah. Current player. Diego Schwartzman. Is he even a current player?
He's just an ounces retirement. Why do you think Diego Schwartzman... We have been adjacent to Diego Schwartzman at dinner. In a lovely steakhouse. He seems to be... He's lovely. He's got a great time. He's got a company over like eight tables away. No, he was no vet, Jockovich, David. What's it? Yeah, so it's Medvedev, Jockovich, Mac and Roe and Kaffelnikoff. Do you want to go to that dinner? Sure. I sent Schwartzman.
The reason I sent Schwartzman is because he was one of the players that Daniel named in his take down of Alexander's Verve in Monte Carlo company. He did. And Schwartzman was one of the guys that he said... I think he said I once had beef with him on the courts but then I realized I'd behave badly and we were... We made it up. So I wouldn't have had a beef. Wasn't he talking about people who were fair play? Yeah. And he said... Maybe Karen. LAUGHTER OK, so Alex Domenore next for Daniel Medvedev.
Who's speaking of people that just got on with it in the drizzle? He was a settle with Daniel and his Striff today when they got rained off. They came back at his settle. It was really, really finely poised. Striff famously agricultural, you know, can hit through the heavy, heavy conditions. But it's so Alex Domenore that he just... Tunnel vision, no complaining, professionals anything. Two sets, boom, done. Three to play Medvedev in the next round.
You mentioned that you both watched the resumption of Ben Shelton against Felix Orger, Alias Simon, long then today. Shelton was awful. Yeah. I think you'd probably agree with that assessment, want to take live three games today. Worst tennis I've seen from anybody all fortnight. He's... Yeah, agree. It was a disaster. He said that playing late last night in the drizzle kind of took out his shoulder. Basically, he said he felt like a pitcher that had thrown too many pitches.
And then he was asked whether that would affect him in the long term. And he continued the analogy and said when a pitcher goes over his count, it's not like his season's over. So there we go. Felix will play Colossal Cheras tomorrow. That'll be the third day session match. He's beaten him in three of their five meetings. Now, he has lost the last two and all of his wins were pre-2023.
But from a mental standpoint for Felix Orger, Alias Simon, that has to be pretty big going into tomorrow, right? I think so. Yeah. And if it's indoors, I think Orger, Alias Simon is a different prospect indoors. All of his titles have been one indoors. Matt, David's promised there's no rain tomorrow. I actually said Monday. But it does look better tomorrow. Okay. Five degrees warmer tomorrow. So... It might feel like spring. I say tomorrow. It's 405 to go. Or we'll be on court before we know it.
I think that Orger, Alias Simon, looks very secure today. And I'm just finding his clases and really tough to judge, because you know, he benefited from so many retirements and walkovers in Madrid. But you know, he reached the final. And then here, he's played this clearly below Parben Shelton. I don't think he had the toughest draw before that. I just don't really know what sort of form Orger, Alias, seems in.
He's been getting better results, but they don't actually know whether they're really reflective of his performances. But he did look secure today. He has got a good record against Carlos Alcarez. And I think he's, you know, a threat to Alcarez. But I still think Alcarez will win. He, but her catch did finish off Dennis Schappervaloff on long-learn. Obviously lost an unnecessary set along the way. But did get the job done. He plays Dimitrov next.
He also dropped a set along the way to finishing off Zizubogs in prime time on, on Chattri. So her catch against Dimitrov will play tomorrow, of course, because what is a French open day in 2024 without he, but her catch on the schedule, quite frankly. I wouldn't know where I was if he wasn't there. He's my north. He loses. We're going to be really discomboculating. Millions of people have lost weight with personalized plans for noon, like Evan, who can't stand salads and still lost 50 pounds.
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You know, obviously tremendously affected by the rain. I just want to say first time I'd seen Paulini play up close like that. I can't believe how good she is. She's so small and so powerful. And I'd rescue talked about that after the match. She said, until you've actually felt her forehand coming at you, you don't really know how powerful it is. And she said it comes. She was like, I don't really understand the spin that it's coming off her racket with. But it's funky and effective.
And yeah, she's quite something because she really does have power on that forehand. But she also is tight as a drum does not make errors. She's going to, she's going to take some beating. She's always muttering forter under a breath. Sorry, Arani was out there watching. And she plays a Lena Avanesian in the next round. Now, Avanesian beat Junqin when today in a massively rain delayed match. They were delayed with Avanesian leading to one in the deciding set with a break of serve.
So lots for her to think about during that lengthy rain delay. She immediately broke again upon the resumption. Serve for the match twice was broken twice into Matt Roberts. Yeah, I sprinted from long length to mature, which is quite far. That is a long way. So long way. So long way. We think that's the longest distance between show courts in tennis. It's got to be up there. It's a long way. I was carrying my laptop. People were in the way. You got there though.
But I got there in time for the final set tie break. And interestingly, the rain delay that you mentioned, I thought was really going to help Junqin win in this match because she was setting a break up. So I was distracted by a line call, went off her game and ended up break down in that third when the rain came. And I thought, OK, that's going to be an opportunity to reset. But as you said, it didn't work out that way. Avanesian went up a double break.
Then we get into this final set tie break after Avanesian had got pretty tight trying to close it out. And I really enjoyed the final set tie break. It was full of moon balls. At that point, it seemed that they both decided this was the tactic. And it was just really entertaining. And Avanesian has got quite awkward technique on both forehand and backhand. I don't think she can let rip at the ball very easily. It almost suits a moon ball. She seemed quite comfortable doing it.
But she was savvy as well, tactically, sort of moving Junqin win around. And she showed the greater patience and ended up winning. And I think she reached the fourth round last year as a lucky loser. And is back there this year with some big wins to her name. And she beat Benchich here last year. She beat Sakri, Australian Open. She's now beaten Junqin win. Never lost a match to a top 10 player. I got this slightly quirky record there.
But yeah, I do think that's one that Junqin wins let go a little bit. And kind of what we should probably say about all analysis today is it does. And we have been saying it. But it comes with a caveat of it was such a crazy weather day. And almost how you dealt with that was more important than your actual tennis today. Yeah, it just seemed that Avanessian in those final stages just, yeah, as I said, greater patience was kind of what I took away from that final set, I break.
Yeah, Benchich said in his press conference, it's getting to people. It's starting to get to people, things delays. And he was referring to himself, you know. And you were tempted to say, us too. Yeah, I sort of caught my head as if to say, yeah. So Paulini against Avanessian massive opportunity for one of those two. That's the re-back in her section of the draw re-back in her workplace fitter Lena. Now she bit Elizabeth and four and two in the first match of the day today.
Very impressive re-back in her. She's she's cooking on the court. She's looking totally in control, unruffled. I think, you know, mountains. Mountains pops up at the French open and sprouts and fangs, doesn't she? And really tries to get stuck in and she did a bit of that today. Just until four or all or so. She wasn't able to really dent re-back in her in what looks like really good form.
And yeah, she's looked apart from the opening, the opening 12 points or something in her second in her, no, in her first round match actually, wasn't it? Which she lost with with errors. She's been sublime. It was another awkward press conference afterwards. Yeah, I think she came in very much with good intentions. I think she'd probably been aware of what had been said and probably spoken to as well. And what happens is they start with the moderator asking a question.
A pretty gentle loosener about the match. And she answered that well. I then asked her about the fact that she'd reached the fourth round at this tournament for the first time since she played Serena Williams in 2021. I was curious to see what she remembered about that, how nervous she might have been and how the experience was like. And I thought I got a good answer. I was interested in what she had to say.
It got a little bit tense towards the end when she was asked about how healthy she is right now. Which given all the issues she's had of later is a perfectly legitimate question and she answered it. But what she revealed was that she'd been having some trouble with her sleep. And that is a really interesting answer. So inevitably people followed up and said well, you know, what sort of problems? And are you doing anything specific to try to counter that problem?
Because as we've talked about with Novac Chalkovich finishing so late, sleep is so important to anybody. Let alone a world class athlete. And I think she then kind of clammed up and suddenly didn't feel comfortable talking about that. And was trying to shut all of that down and it just became a bit awkward. She's just not an actual in the press room, I think first and foremost, whether it's anything else that's bothering her I don't know. But yeah, she didn't want to talk about that.
So, Vittalina Nexfer, her who beat Anna Bogdan earlier on today, Sava Lenkert took care of Paola Badosa, her best friend, 75, 6, 1 mat. That maintains there was jeopardy in this match, at least in the first said. Well, I was scoreboard watching and there was jeopardy on the scoreboard because it looked like Badosa was going to go up a double break. And I think a double break in the first set would be some jeopardy, but yeah, we didn't get there.
And Sava Lenkert gradually closed that gap and then I suppose kind of like Rebecca, once she had a grip on the match, she just took off and was very, very dominant in the second set. That's impressive for Sava Lenkert.
Again, this sort of theory I've had about Sava Lenkert, Ronald Garros, and how she would like it hot and lively, like it was last year, where she reached the semi-finals and played so well, is slightly countered by the fact that if she's playing on one of the two main courts, as she will, is the second seed and it's raining, she can play indoors. And I think that's really good for Sava Lenkert as well.
And I think she would enjoy lively conditions, but at the same time, I think she likes indoor conditions. Certainly better than being out in the rain or the mist or the wind or the cold. So she's looked really, really impressive as well and we've got this scenario where all the top four women see it's a through to the second week, which is the subject of today's newsletter stats about how rare that is.
Emma Navarro, next for Arena Sava Lenkert, who beat Madison Keys today from a break, she was very much down in that opening set, wasn't she, came back one out on the tie break and one in straight sets in the end, heck of a win for her. Yeah, and potentially big for US Olympics qualifications, haven't totally got my head around that, but there is a bit of a fight on there for those ranking places.
Keys, unfortunately, had a hip injury at the end, not sure how bad it was, but it seemed like it did impact the match. And that's a shame because she's been in such brilliant form. That balance isn't it form and fitness, she's been a normal lot of tennis. The other fourth round match that we set up today is Miran Draver against Favora Grycheva. Now, Favora Grycheva could end up being the last French player standing.
For that not to be the case, current Armute would have to be Yennex sinner tomorrow night. So I'm going to predict that Favora Grycheva is going to be the last French player standing, which just has a little bit of irony to it, doesn't it, given that she's newly French, newly representing France, and we talked a little bit about that on one of the earlier podcasts, and the slight awkwardness of her being on the Billie Jean King.
Cup team, I hope she continues to get more warmly embraced by France and by the French tennis fraternity and sorority. And certainly was today, there was a lovely moment after her match where everyone on the long length that is singing the Marseille is. It was lovely, wasn't it? It was great scenes. How long ago does that feel? And was in reality. So she'll play Miran Draver next to Blinken, you miss it, Mr. She beat Peyton Sterns, the Rabat champion 6261.
This match was on the court behind the one that Bianca Andrescu was playing on, and I'd intended after the second set of Andrescu to just bob over and catch a bit of this, but I couldn't because Andraver had got the job done so quickly, which meant she missed the biggest deluge. She only had to play in drizzle. She didn't have to play in full rain.
And I just, as I say, I didn't have the chance to watch any of it, but judging by the scoreboard, I was just so impressed by how a child, she's a child still, dealt with and has been dealing with the most challenging conditions. I mean, maybe being a child helps that she just, this is all new, whatever I'll go on with it in that kind of life, to breeze away that younger people have. But I don't know, I thought that was a brilliantly professional scoreline from a teenager.
I take the point that maybe Sterns was on empty a little bit after playing some estenis of late, but even so, I thought that would be a real toss of it, because she's a tough out as the American serving. She takes some knocking over because she's so competitive herself. I didn't watch it either, but I was very interested to understand, Drayver, say that the night before, she'd ended up playing Victoria Azarenki, a grand slam champion who's a really experienced player in all sorts of conditions.
That went on to the court at 10 o'clock at night, and she said, I'm normally in bed at that time, and there she was, duking it out, winning 7-5 and the 3rd against Victoria Azarenki, then backing it straight up against Payton Sterns, and just then came into the press comments. She was at a bit of a sort of energy low, Matt and I, Mary and Drayver just cheer us up. She is such good, copy, good answers, fun to talk to, engages with every single question.
I mean, she's coached now newly formed coaching partnership with Kansita Martinez, the 1994 Wimbledon champion, and I asked what that relationship was like. She said, it's just good energy, she makes me laugh, she's always keeping it positive and fun, and I get the sense from a spoke to Kansita Martinez a couple of days ago from his view we're doing for a tennis-story live show we're doing.
I'll break that right now, that's the 1994 Wimbledon, that we're going to relive head of Wimbledon. I don't think we've already done that yet. And she said, with Mary, you have to just keep on saying the same message to keep her mind on the job and to keep her interested and make her not go away.
Well, she clearly hasn't been going away, she's been listening, and she also took the chance to poke a little bit of fun at Kansita Martinez and told me that she'd been watching her final from 30 years ago from this tournament on YouTube. And Kansita said, I'll turn that off for you. I just love that she's watching random old matches on people the time. She watched it yesterday, amazing.
And she was asked, as David described earlier, that's the gentle first question of the press conference is, what were you pleased with today? And she just said, everything. And then I asked her to compare herself to this time last year, what she thinks she's improved the most, and she thought about being a lot more stable. And I think that really does come through in her matches. She's calm, she's more mature.
And I think probably helped her deal with what you're talking about there. There's terrible conditions and having a late finish the other day. She's just able to deal with that better. And one step for her is that she's the youngest player to make the last 16 in Grand Slam events on each of the three surfaces. She's done that now, Wimwooden last year, and in the Australian Open and Roland Garros this year, since Anna Cornicova in 1998.
And she was asked about that in press and said, what she made of it, did she know about it, took a little bit of explaining. And she said, I like it. She's so fab. Brilliant. OK, well, she'll play Vavaragrachave in a couple of days time. In terms of tomorrow, this is your schedule starting at midday on Chattria. That is eight hours. No, seven and a half hours from now.
Eagishyantec against Anna Potterpover tomorrow's Chattria schedule has a real get the women out of the way feel about it, which I have a rant about on another day. But second on is Coco Gough against Elizabetha Cotureto. Now on the order of play on the Roland Garros website, they've introduced excitement ratings. Yeah, which I'm, oh God, I'd like to rant about those, but it's 421. Why would you advertise your own matches and put them down?
Right. So, right, they've put, they've put, she's on taking Potterpover as a 100% excitement rating. Old Denilovich and Malkette of Andrej Shavehore, they don't have an excitement rating. They're the only singles match that they don't have one. Can we not talk about this? This is getting me angry. Clara Talsen in Ones Jibur, 62%. Like, who, who's excitement rating? Info-sys. Well, I, I smell a rat here because Info-sys, I know, sponsor E. Gashviontech.
I see the, I see the adverts that he throw a, arrive at the Heathrow baggage claim every time I go through. Now, look, Anna Potterpover against E. Gashviontech, anything can happen in tennis. That could surprise me. But on paper, I'm a, I'm a heck of a lot more excited about Clara Talsen against Ones Jibur than I'm about Shavehore and taking on Potterpover. So, all I'm saying is that something feels a bit fishy about the old excitement ratings. But we'll see. Maybe they know something I don't.
Shavehore and take Potterpover followed by Goff Kutureto, then Auge Ali-Seem against Colossal-Karaz, just 80% for that one. And then, current time, Mute against Yannick-Sinnah, 100% for Mute-Sinnah. I think Mute has got an Info-sys deal. Did they do a vote or something with the public? Is that how it works? I don't know. Denilovich-Vondreshared doesn't even have an excitement rating. Then it's on Naldi, Sitz-a-Paths. This is Longland starting at 11, so that's in 6.5 hours' time.
I've got Shatre starting at 11 on my order of play. Oh, God, it is. I can't hurt more. I don't know. I mean, good. I'm generally in favour of starting earlier. Towson-Jibur, 62% don't bother everybody. That's third on Longland. And then her catch-demeter of 91% for her catch-demeter of. There is doubles everywhere. Not in this house. There is doubles everywhere tomorrow. They have got some catching up to do. Do you know what they don't need?
Juniors. That's lots tomorrow. Juniors starts tomorrow, folks. And if you are interested in Sitz-a-Dossa action, they have been rescheduled. As you know, they don't even have a court yet. Court TBA is where Palabadossa and Stefanos Sitz-a-Paths find themselves. And they try and sneak them on a little bit court. And the other team, the court TBA, Catherine Isiney-Arkivett and Thomas Mahatch.
Oh. That's tomorrow, folks, or rather, later on today, what wild bemusement and fun does Day 8 of the French Open have in store? There's only one way to find out. We have Bashir, a lovely French Open mascot. Hello, Bashir. We have our mascots, the dearly departed Darwin, Francis and Hyder and Soma. We have Billie Jean, who's sponsored by Billie Jean King and the Llaner class. We have top folks and executive producers, Jamie Jeff, Greg and Chris. And that, we have 4A and Charlotte Alps.
We've got Lauren McLean in Edinburgh. Right, Lauren? Like Lauren Davis. Yes. Well done, Catherine. You very nearly beat Soma and Alipid the Australian Open a few years ago, yeah. Thanks very much, Lauren. Where's Lauren? Edinburgh. Ed Lovely, lovely city. Nice part of the world. Once did a champion's tournament there where it rained solidly. So that feels appropriate. Hello and thank you, Lauren. We've got Mary Klesztat in Melbourne. Hello, Mary. Hello, Mary. We do. We do.
Great tennis name. Superb. Mary Carrillo. I mean, you could stop there, I'd say. Yeah, I was going to. Mary Jeff and Anders is good too, but Mary Carrillo, I'm happy to stop there. Mary Carrillo and... Mary Pierce. I haven't stopped there. Carry on, Matt. Thank you, Mary. I'm just going to say Melbourne great. Apparently the weather's rubbish in Melbourne too. Or is it? Mary might be feeling up here. Thank you, Mary. And finally, we've got Bobby Conner and Luke Murray from Yep New Jersey.
This is getting out of hand. And this three of them. Bobby Conner and Luke. Correct. Are they in a band? It says, our family are huge tennis fans. Our favorite tennis day of the year is the Friday before the US Open when we attend the final round of qualifying. Our dad Bob met David in the concession area of the US Open qualifying in 2022. Hey. Okay, well I feel like I need to tell Bobby Conner and Luke that qualifying for the US Open this year is Monday to Thursday. Not Tuesday to Friday.
And this is great knowledge. Heads up guys. Change your plans. I hope you can... When did the change that? Don't know. I found out about it today. Oh. So there you go. How did you find out? Info with your shot in a meeting. Oh yes. Gosh, that is a lot of time ago. That is 24 hours ago, nearly. Started my day with Admin, yeah. So there you go. Bonus info with your shout out. Thank you very much Bobby Conner and Luke. Love that. Thank you all for listening.
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