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This is Mary Carrillo, this is Pam Shriver, this is Janik Noah, and you're listening to The Tennis Podcast. Anna, I hope you learned from the night session to come with Carlos Alcribz and Stefan or Sittapaz. We will be talking about the day session matches in due course. First we have to talk about some pretty seismic news which dropped about two hours ago here at Roland Garros.
That is the news that Novak Djokovic subsequent to the injury that he sustained yesterday during his five set win over Francisco Sérrindolo has pulled out of the tournament he said on social media. I am really sad to announce that I have to withdraw from Roland Garros. I played with my heart and gave my all in yesterday's match. Unfortunately due to a medial meniscus tear in my right knee, my team and I have made the tough decision after careful, consideration and consultation.
I wish the best of luck to the players competing this week and sincerely thank the incredible fans for all of the support and the love and continued support. See you soon with love and gratitude and gratitude and that of course means that Casparoud has a walk over through to the semi-finals where he will me either Alexander Sverev or Alex Duminor. I have done some medical googling. Oh yeah. How is that gone? Well a meniscus tear doesn't necessarily require surgery.
It depends where it is and how bad it is. It can just be straight up rest and taking all weight off the knee. That can do the job. Or it can require surgery. Obviously a meniscus tear is what ended up ending Roger Federer's career. He had surgery. It was successful in terms of he's living a pain-free life. I mean if you look on Roger Federer's Instagram, he's living very much his best life. But it wasn't a successful enough surgery to allow him to play top level tennis again.
So look, we don't know. But this is bad. Yeah, it's bad. And it was a meniscus tear that Taylor Fritz got at Ronan Garros three years ago and he left in a wheelchair and then showed up at Wimbledon a month later wearing his legging. He was told that the surgeon didn't actually have to repair anything. They just had to snip something out and then it was just four weeks of very intense rehab and recovery. But it's bad for no at Yokevich. This is bad for sure.
Wimbledon on the horizon, the Olympics as well. At this stage we just don't know how long he's going to be out for. But it's probably the first time that he's had like a serious lower body injury, I would say. Obviously he had that elbow problem five or six years ago. But this is now a serious lower body injury.
And in the short term, it takes him out of his quest to win here at Ron Garros and in the medium term, it costs quite a lot of doubt, I suppose, over the summer, which we've said all year. It was massive for no about Yokevich. In terms of, you know, his short term tennis goals, but maybe quite frankly also in terms of like keeping him motivated as a tennis player generally. And, you know, we might look back on this moment as something that really signaled the end.
Look, we don't know for sure, but it could be that serious for no about Yokevich. Yeah, it could, because if you think about what happened with Roger Federer, I know there were other knee surgeries he had the one when he slipped in the bathroom, didn't he? And he ended up coming back, winning the Australian Open, winning three more grand-slam titles extraordinarily. And if anybody was going to do that in tennis today, I would believe that no that Yokevich could do it.
I would say that he was going to do that. And I would believe that no that Yokevich could do it. I also think he has the kind of builds that seems like it can recover and so forth. But at the same time, you know, yesterday when he played that match, it went around as it soft and does that, you know, he'll manage the situation, he'll be back in a couple of days and all that. And he said, look, I need to have a scan. And he's out the scan and it's revealed proper damage.
He's going to be able to end up being but, as you say, it's bad. And it could end up being the moment that we look back on as you say that he's never the same again that he's finished. That could be the case. But early days for that, but I'm sad really that I'm sad for that he produced these two memorable moments of coming back.
He was really engaging with crowds in a way that probably never has before or rarely has before and that's something that happens when you age and when you start having the vulnerability and he's fighting through the vulnerability to find a way. And, you know, I would have been interested to see if he hadn't been injured how far he could have ended up going. And the truth is, when your career gets ended, it can often just be something freakish like that.
I, you know, a incredible job to keep this body on the road but one tweak. And actually, that's a tweak that is a break and that's it. And actually, I think the comparison to Federer extends there with what you're talking about, David, in terms of coming through these five setters. I think that's that 2020 Australian Open.
When Federer beat John Millman in that final set, Ty break, he then had that crazy match against tennis sangering, kind of similar in terms of vibe to what Jacović has been through this tournament. There was then room as swirling in the press room that year that Federer was going to pull out of his semi-final. Again, Stiockovic, in fact, he did play, was beating in straight sets. And honestly, it was never the same again. That was kind of his last run at a slam.
And it was the meniscus as well, wasn't it, that year would later have surgery on. And, yeah, I think when something like this happens, we're often, or I often certainly try and think of some comparisons. Even though everything is its own individual case, but it has made me think of that today. And, yeah, the future for no at Jacović is extremely uncertain right now.
Almost also made me think Catherine of Raffaandadal at Wimbledon when he fought through that match when he clearly torn something in his apps. And then he couldn't play against Nick Courier. It's extraordinary bravery in the moment and the painkillers mask the discomfort in the moment. The adrenaline comes in, the skill set comes in.
But actually, then when you go home and you cool down and that thing wears off that you've been taken to master pain, the realisation that actually I've done some proper damage here. And in terms of the big picture of no at Jacović's summer, it might be that all decision making is taken out of his hands by the nature of this injury.
We just don't know, it could be that a surgeon tells him, you need surgery, that's going to be a two-month recovery boom, summer out of the picture or you need six weeks, no weight bearing, boom, summer out of the picture. But if that's not the case, if it is on the less serious side, he could end up with some really tricky decisions, rewimbledon and the Olympics.
Before we got this news yesterday, in fact, Matt and I, we were talking about how inconvenient it is for him and for lots of other players but looking at it from a, never at Jacović context, how inconvenient it is that Wimbledon comes before the Olympics. Because I think we're all in agreement that if he could only choose one this year, he would choose the Olympics.
He would rather, though, not have to make any sacrifices in order to get that Olympics and sort of making any kind of compromise on his chances at Wimbledon just to have a shot at the Olympics or to slightly increase his chances at the Olympics is a massive gamble. Whereas if the Olympics were coming first and he could throw all of himself into that and think, cross the Wimbledon bridge when I come to it, but I am throwing everything into the Olympics, enclay in Paris.
I think that would be a far better equation, but he might be in a situation of having to preemptively sacrifice Wimbledon to prioritize the Olympics. And there he knows as much as he has defied the odds and defied aging up until now, he absolutely knows and this injury will put it into even sharper focus. There are no guarantees. If he sacrifices Wimbledon this year, he might not ever play there again. Those are the facts at age 37. Yeah, and I've been wrestling with that question kind of
all year. What will Jockevic do about Wimbledon with the Olympics? So soon after I'm back on clay and I just couldn't really imagine a scenario where he skipped Wimbledon knowing that he's been so dominant there over the last few years, it's a genuine chance for him to add to his major hall, which does matter to him enormously. And as you say, if he doesn't play it this year, he might never play it again. That I'm sure that would be in his mind as well.
Honestly, if this injury works out so that he has to skip Wimbledon, because he can't simply can't play it, but he can get back in time for the Olympics, and potentially he's a simplified things for him, and might end up benefiting him for the Olympics as well. Like that is a possible scenario as well, just as you say, depends on the severity of the injury and whatever the rehab time is.
Just quickly before we move on to talk about the women's quarterfinals that we've seen today, the Casparoude of it all, obviously, you know, Bonanza for Casparoude that he threw to another French open semi-final, but he's now not going to play for five days. That's not good, right? Yeah. Tell me I'm wrong. I don't think that's good. I don't think that's good. I mean, Monday, Monday, last 16, Friday, semi-final.
That's such a big gap, and we've seen in the past that on the one hand, you might think, oh, he's well rested, but it messes up your rhythm, it messes up the groove that you're in, and you can kind of come out, I suppose, pretty flat. In the next match. And I don't think physically he was going to be the one who was going to have to worry about what the quarterfinal might do to him.
That's all on Alexander's side, or, you know, we're assuming that he was his most likely semi-final opponent because he's played the two five setters. So, yeah, it does feel like he's going to have lost some rhythm and he's going to be able to do it. He's going to have to... It's the kind of thing we don't have the experience as well. If someone's been in that situation before, they kind of know how to handle it.
This is the first for Casparou going into a massive semi-final where he's going to be the favourite, I think. Maybe it would be pretty 50-50 if it's very... But, yeah, he's kind of expected here to get through, and yeah, it's a lot for him to think about as well over the next few days. And he likes a lot of matches. He does, yeah, he likes playing. If there's one thing we know about Casparou, it's that he likes to play a lot of clay court tennis matches.
Yeah, that's going to be really interesting what the next few days looks like for him. But, yeah, ultimately he's through to semi-final and he'll take that as well. Janik Sinner take becoming the new men's world number one. It was always likely that that would happen this tournament, but no bad, Jockovich is with Dora at this stage. Confirms it, and it's a tough one for Janik Sinner, isn't it, because it's pretty underwhelming circumstances. And he's such a methodical guy.
Like, he would have felt like, yes, I'm on route to being world number one. If I keep doing these things, it's going to happen for me. And now this, I don't know, he's just come to a press conference after his win over Grigal Dimitrov in a pretty uneventful match, quite frankly. Straight sets, tiny little wobble at the end, serving for the match, but basically very, very comfortable.
And, you know, most of the press conferences about becoming world number one, obviously, there was a little smattering of applause from Italian journalists as he walked in the room, which never quite, you know, like a Mexican wave that doesn't get off the ground. It was one of those. But yeah, he's going to be world number one, that's brilliant. But it must feel a little bit underwhelming for him. And a little awkward, because he's, I think most players would feel like this.
But particularly him, he's very respectful of Novak Chokovich. And he's obviously delighted to be world number one. It's the culmination of 52 weeks of effort and all the years before to prepare him for this moment. And two years with Dan K. Hill, who's now got four world number ones that he's coached. So these are all great achievements for Fianic Sinner.
But he didn't want to be jumping up and down at a time when the reason he's actually kind of got over the line, the actual final push on this occasion is because Novak Chokovich's sadness and disappointment and misfortune. So he was the way he normally is, quite reserved about it, and quite careful how he responded. But he made it very clear I am proud, and I'm also sorry if I know about it. It was quite a nice moment on the court, like when Novak Chokovich withdrew.
Obviously, that's the main talking point. But then suddenly everyone realizes, oh my goodness, this means Yannick Sinner has become world number one, he's playing. He's going to find out in his encore interview, probably. And it's like, what will that moment be? And I think what happened is he was told by the press officer before he did that on court interview.
And for recent horror, I asked him three questions and none of them were about getting to world number one and size were going round in the press room thinking, oh he got to ask me, got to ask him about it. And then finally, the fourth one, and I thought, actually, Centaurer did it really well. And he just sort of said, you're going to be the world number one on Monday. And this lovely round of applause went round. And Sinner just sort of looked round and took in that moment.
So he did at least sort of get a bit of a crowning moment, even if it is a little bit awkward that it's kind of he's not playing. It's sort of out of his control and it's sort of mid-tournament when it's happened. But I did think that that will be a moment that we sort of look back on and we literally saw Yannick Sinner's reaction to becoming world number one, which was very nice. And I know, you know, ranking the Staintly, all the rest of it, but do you feel like the best player in the world?
Yeah. It feels right, doesn't it? I think so. I mean, given he got that slam, he bit no at Jokovic, he's won so many titles that he's backed up that slam really, really well. Yeah, he's done it across surfaces now. I really think that he does feel like the best player in the world right now. There's not a huge amount between them. Like if Carlos Alcras was world number one, I wouldn't be rioting. But it's Yannick Sinner and he deserves it. It's all he but her catching now.
I do find it a really extraordinary rise because actually, if you think about what he was doing a year ago, he was losing in the second round to Daniel Altmaier. He then lost, okay, he got to the semi-final as a win with him, but he lost meekly to know that Jokovic in a three-set match that really had me asking questions. And then he lost a physical, horrible, sweaty battle with Alexander's Verv in the fourth round of the US Open. You know, this is all in the last 12 months.
So from what, you know, if you spoke about this in October, that this guy is going to be world number one by the French Open. That would have seemed a bit absurd. And given the dominance of Novak Jokovic at that time, so what he's put together since then, beating Jokovic a couple of times, three times, I think. Davis Cup coming out and winning the Australian Open, back in that up, winning one of the sunshown double tournaments.
You know, I just think, I think it is one of the great rises in half a year, effectively. And I mean, that was what I was very curious to ask him about and the press conference was with a moment. And he couldn't give me necessarily a moment of, this is the moment I, it all clicked. He didn't say Puking in a beer and in Beijing. No. That was, well, that was the answer I was. That's what I was hoping for.
Now I wanted to know if there were any moments where he thought, I feel like this is different now. It was more self-examination of the defeats that he'd had against Altmeier and Zverev, where clearly they've had a conversation amongst his team and he's had to be told a few home truths. Yeah, he talked about how he's surrounded by people that are honest with him. You know, if we're better and for worse, they're honest with him.
And that's pretty critical, I think, to him finding him himself where he is now. So, Yannick Sinner, a new World No. 1 in Casper Reader, French Open semi-finalist once again. Obviously, we still have Colour Soundcrust and Stefano sits past to come in the night session and we'll be back with part two to cover that. But now we want to go back to the start of the day, 11 AM, when Ansgerberg and Coco Gough came out to play their quarter-finals.
Ansgerberg had things to say about the fact that this match was scheduled for 11 AM. But it was awesome, wasn't it? This match was absolutely awesome. We all watched it separately, didn't we? David, you were commentating, Matt, you were here on site in the media box and I, congratulations to me, managed to wake up with my alarm. Good work. Did watch it from the flat this morning. But I think we all independently loved it, right? I haven't actually discussed this with you, but I'm assuming.
Yeah, it was fantastic. And look, as soon as I walked out onto the Philly Chattri's stadium, the first thing you notice is that it's pretty empty. It's that 11 AM slot. There weren't a lot of people in the stadium at the start of the match and that's a great shame. I must say, as it went on, that was one of the best daytime chatriets, atmospheres that I've experienced personally, largely due to the incredible support that Ones Chibur in particular was receiving.
So many packs of Tunisian fans singing around the stadium as of every opportunity, just creating a wonderful atmosphere. And that was a really interesting element to the match, actually, like Coco Gough not being the crowd favourite. Like, that doesn't happen very often. And I think she dealt with that incredibly well.
In terms of the match, like the first set on the Chibur played, and in particular the second half of the first set, after she'd hit a jumping backhand down the line shot at three all, which was actually a game point for Gough at the time. And Chibur just hit this incredible backhand, which I felt, in my body, even up in the stands. She then just delivered the most incredible series of points.
Every kind of shot in the book, she was playing, drop shot, drop shot returns, big shots down the line, running back and scamping in defence. Everything was just unbelievable for about 15 minutes at the end of that first set. And Coco Gough had only one four points on Chibur's serve in that entire set. And Chibur's, you know, she's a fine serve. But she's not, she's not got a massive serve. That was a real sort of, wow, how is Coco Gough not getting in on Chibur's service games?
But then it all changed at the start of the second set, when Gough pushed the deduce in that first service game at the second set. And I thought, oh, okay, Gough's kind of in this now. And then Gough raised her game quite dramatically, started dictating points a bit more on her terms, started getting more back-hand exchanges. She was still occasionally having to chase down an on Chibur drop shot and maybe struggling to get there, and having to withstand some incredible on Chibur winners.
But it just shifted. And the end of that second set, Chibur became pretty error-stroon. That continued at the start of the third set. And there was a period where Gough had then completely flipped the narrative and broke and served four times out of five in a stretch of games. And then Chibur lifted it again at the end and brought the crowd with her. And it felt like maybe the comeback could be on, because Chibur does play better when she's not the favourite.
And suddenly, there she was, staring down to feet and she seems to loosen up a little bit again. But I was so impressed with Coco Gough. I thought her game was pretty good the entire match, but in sets two and three, just rock solid, dictating, didn't really think about her serve that much, didn't really think about her forehand that much, covering the court so well, and just a brilliant, brilliant performance from Coco Gough. And an incredible description. That was awesome.
It was kind of textbook both of them, wasn't it? It was, I didn't care who won. I really liked them both. And I didn't say that I feel like I need to want one of them to win in a way to stay interested. And I really didn't feel like that, because they're so engaging. There's such good watches. They're so good for the sport. And they just seem really nice people, frankly. But we got what I hoped we would get, which is what you've described there.
I said the other day, I felt like, in order for Chibur to actually beat the best mover and retriever and psychologically strong player in the sport, I think at the moment, Chibur was going to have to play the match her life pretty much. She was going to have to outplay on Coco Gough, who said in the press conference, I found really interesting that nobody hits winners, past me like that. And I mean nobody. That's what she said on the court.
I mean, I'm sure she would adapt that to say, well, Eagish Rihanna's that does. But there really aren't many. You have to play incredible tennis. And then the amount of times that Chibur was going behind her in that first set, is a wrong footinger, and even a great mover, if they're wrong footed, what can you do about it? So we saw the best of Chibur. We saw her feeling it in every way. She was in the zone, and there's really no better sight in the sport.
I don't think the non-Chibur kind of peacocking, and just showing off a bit, and showing off how good she is. And then to see the trademark cocoa goff digging. And I remind her, at the moment that that first set won was won. And goff established herself at the start of the second. All I could think of is what she said on the court, when she lost the first set in a tie break to Mira and Draver a year ago on Longland.
She said, I lost the set, but I felt at that moment I'd won, I was going to win the match. Because I'd taken it deep. I'd taken it deep into that first set. I'd taken a lot of what she's got, and probably tied her out a bit. And I thought, OK, now it's my time. And that's kind of how she views these matches. She's no bad, Chokovic says it over five sets. Coco goff does it over three. And so often she comes out on top. Because she has her other strengths.
It was a great, great watch, the whole thing. And Draver, her game is such that it doesn't, it doesn't have the margin to withstand a drop off. A drop off informed is it? No. When she's redlining, I feel like a 1% drop off, maybe that's too exaggerated. But a 5% drop off in her game can look a lot more drastic than a 5% drop off in a 5% drop off in Coco goff's name, your game, you're probably not noticing all that much.
In Ons de Burs, that is the difference between a pretty crap looking error and a moment of genius really. She shots her so flat and play like today, those touches of genius are reliant on inspiration, aren't they? And I do, it does feel like that has a shelf life within a match. And I felt like Coco goff always knew that I'm the best hangar on her in the sport. And I can weather this. And that's not to say that Ons de Burs can't win three tennis matches playing like that.
But she needed to have a lull and then come back to it. But by the time she was coming back to it, Goff's teeth were just in that match. And it felt like she wasn't going to let it go. But I'm so glad that, you know, I'm sorry for Ons de Burs that she lost that match. But I'm just so grateful she gave us that set. And she came up, I believe, I think if you go back and watch them on YouTube, I think she came up with two of the shots of the championship.
Both of them Catherine, you all appreciate this, with her feet off the ground. Because the back hand, she hit down the line into the postage stamp with feet off the ground. Oh, I know the one you're talking about. And then she did a cross-court forehand, exactly the same sort of thing, you know. And just mind-boggling that that could have landed in and been a clean winner against that sort of player.
Yeah. And some of the drop shots, there was a drop shot, which had absolutely no angle on it at all. It was just down the centre of the court, middle of the night, but she just don't see. But the way she just stunned the ball and took all of the pace off it and just applied such spin that she knew that it was just going to die as soon as it hit the court. It didn't matter that it didn't have any angle on it. I just don't see anybody else in tennis doing that.
And I hope she brings that to Wimbledon. Yeah, I'm ready to get her to get her to again. Actually, I'm not ready at all, but I can get ready. I've got a few weeks to get ready. That was followed onto Chattre by Eagashiontech, beating Marquette of Androcheva and continuing her run of games. She got it up to... 20. 20. So she basically did it? She basically did it. Triple bagel and a couple of others. Think about that. Think about somebody triple bageling somebody.
Yeah, and this was love and two over the Wimbledon champion, Marquette of Androcheva. Who... I don't know. Would you have any advice for what Marquette of Androcheva could have done differently? I'm not sure I do. I felt like in the second set she was doing the right stuff because she actually made it competitive for a few games. Say, six games, she might have been four, two down at that stage, but she had a break back point.
There were little moments where you thought, oh, that's the Wimbledon champion there. But they were just stamped on by Eagashiontech. She has an answer for everything. I think she, in a set in a bit, she'd hit 25 winners. She was just rush, and I was thinking her backhand is so good. But then I looked at the stats and she'd hit 16, four hand winners. And just running around and just finishing things. It's just not normal to dominate people like that.
And I mean, look, the big comparison that always comes to mind for me because I'm old enough having seen it is Steffi Graf. The way she just is on a mission. Every point, rushed between them. Business like, give me the ball. I'll hit it as hard as I can to that corner, and then to that corner, and that's the point over. I asked her about that afterwards. You know, has she ever seen any footage of Steffi Graf? I mean, she wouldn't have been alive when Steffi Graf was an active player.
But, you know, is she aware of the comparisons? Is she aware of the player? Obviously, the her achievements. But as she watched her and she said she had, she'd gone back and seen some footage. And she said, I don't have the same game. I don't have a slice backhand as good as hers, for instance. But, you know, I think maybe we're a little bit alike. I'm told she's an introvert. I'm an introvert, you know, we'd like to just do things a certain way and then go. And so I really see the comparison.
I really do. Yeah, and there's a comparison in the scorelines as well, isn't there? Like, just, you know, Steffi Graf was famous for laying down very dominant scorelines on her opponents. And that's a huge film text thing. And, I mean, honestly, it was one of those moments where I caught the backstage sort of footage of them just as they were preparing to go out to court. And I know this is just their different demeanors.
But, Eagish Fjöntek was jumping around, shadow swinging, you know, really intimidating. My ketifundrösh was just leaning against the wall. And I sort of thought, wow, like, there's a difference. And it just immediately, like, Steffi Graf came out with this intensity that Fjöntek doesn't really ever have that. It's not a criticism of hers. She's one women wouldn't performing like that. That's just how she does it. But, Steffi Graf has just intensity in everything she does.
Like, her footwork, her ability to just, as David said, just hit winners kind of at will. And even just the way she walks back to the chair, or the way she walks between points, it's just a purpose and an intensity. And that's the way it is. You know, like, it was a stunningly good performance. Like, if you watched that match and didn't come away from it, just appreciating greatness that Eagish Fjöntek, then I don't really know what match she was watching, you know. It was stunningly good.
And that's, as twice now, that she's totally blown away. Marquette Vondroschva at Roland Garros on the clay, which I think is interesting, because I think, I think, maybe, certainly I do, and maybe everyone associates Marquette Vondroschva with clay and with this tournament, because it was where she had her first big run.
And it just sort of strikes me that, you know, that run that Marquette Vondroschva had to the Frank Schopenfinle in 2019 was, you know, the last Roland Garros before Eagish Fjöntek won her first. And it's kind of like, Fjöntek, it's just taken play court tennis to a whole new level. You know, like, she's just operating now at a level that probably we haven't seen on WTO side, I suppose, since just in end in dominating this tournament for, you know, a few years in the, sort of, early 2000s.
And like, she is so good, and arguably getting better, because she's spoken her press conference about her serve. And she thinks that she served kind of as well as she has done ever. Maybe this was her best serving performance, and that's a change she made at the start of the year. And it does take time for technique changes to pay off, and she's clearly very happy with, sort of, how that's progressing.
And, yeah, it's an element of her game, which we have sort of thought maybe it sometimes is attackable, but if that shot continues to get better, where are you going to go against Eagish Fjöntek? Or, you are completely naturally gifted, like an Elena, or a Sambolein complex with that kind of power. But for everyone else, there's just kind of, or a Nomeo Sarka, but there's just kind of nowhere to go, unless you are supremely sort of powerful, it seems against Eagish Fjöntek.
It's so brave to make a technical change like that when you're already at the top, knowing that it could be one step forward, before you take, one step back rather, before you take the two steps forward.
And there were moments during the United Cup, I know that Poland ended up reaching the final, and they had a good tournament, she won't take a good tournament, but there were moments where you thought, this could be a backwards moment for Fjöntek on the serve, but you always felt like that was priced in.
She knew that, this was always the plan, and we always talk about it with the length of the season, the volume of tournaments, it is bloody tough to make any kind of changes to your game, and because the offseason is so short, you kind of have to be prepared to take the step back while you're on tour, and not on the practice court, because there just isn't time to cram it all into an offseason, you have to be making the changes while you're on the hamster wheel,
and I think that's incredible from her. Not some incredible for your theory, Matt. Would it be fair to say she has improved as this tournament has gone on? Well it's important data gathering for the theory, and as she said in that round two press conference, she subscribed to the theory in terms of hard courts and Australian open, and she said I struggled to improve there because of the surface, but as she said on clay, I'll get that up. It's now a theory with capiats.
Well it was only ever a theory, and now I feel like we've got the answer. I think I've done well. I did do a disaster in a press conference earlier in Kolkogoff, Egas Fjöntek. Very quick save though, I thought. I did save it quickly, but my question was about Egas Fjöntek, so I had the name on my mind. I did a disaster. If I didn't know you, and therefore know that you were shitting yourself, I wouldn't have known. Thank you, because about seven journalists turn around and stare down me.
I was like, oh god. It was a great save. Goff against Schöntek. Well, we've seen that film before. We've seen that film before and Kolkogoff didn't like the end of the day. One, ten, one. All of Schöntek's wins have been straight sets, and the one win that Goff got, as you say, Cincinnati last year over three sets. The question I ask Kolkogoff is something I'm just fascinated by. It's probably the wrong time to be asking it immediately after she's come off the court here.
I said in the question, I know you're not going to reveal your tactics, but I don't think she really knows how to play Eagish Filmmetek on a clay call. I think you can just look at their match here last year, where she was looping the ball. That was her tactic. Try and get it up high. But I think that was to protect her own game a little bit at the time. She couldn't trust the forehand. Because of anything that's the tactic against Eagish Filmmetek.
That's more the sort of ball that my kind of undrochered plays. And look at how that turned out. Do you think there's anything to be learned for Kolkogoff from what no mere sarcadid or are their games not sufficiently similar for her to take that blueprint? I think there's encouragement from Rome. I know she lost 6463, but that was a totally different tactic. She came out crushing the ball. I think that's what we're going to be in the next round. She's going to come out swinging.
And if you remember, Rome was four-all, forty-love in the first set. And then Kolkogoff, I think, hit a couple of double-faults, a couple of backhand errors and the whole thing just changed. But she was right where the Eagish Filmmetek for those first eight games. And I think that is the approach that is not as easy for her as it is for a sarcadid or for a backhand or a sabbelenco. Because she isn't blessed with that ball strike in the same way.
You know, she never, with the forehand, never quite feels that she's striking it clean. She does on the backhand. But that, I think, has to be the approach. You've got to try and impose yourself against her. I think it will simplify things in a mind if she can just go for it. And I think she will. She's got to serve her, hasn't she? Yeah. She'll do everything. She's got to do the things she's got to pay the match for life.
And by the way, the serve is sometimes reached in mid-120 miles and it is coming down. And like a bullet. And that's something that, again, I asked her at the start of the tournament. Are you prepared to go through this difficult patch with your serve? Are you confident it will come out better on the other side? And yeah, she basically said she is and she's confident it will.
And I think speed and power has been one of the things she's been looking for with it and trying to set up points and dominate with it. And she's doing that, as David said. I was, you know, up in the mid-120s, miles per hour. It's such a powerful serve. And the double-faults were totally, sort of under control today. You know, it was one or two, but there's always going to be that. That's big, I think, actually. Yeah. Because that really was a problem.
Yeah. And I think the big test will be when it's under even more pressure against the Eugustion Tech return in the semifinal. But some really, yeah, I think she's had a brilliant tournament, Coco Gough. Okay, well, that much will be in a couple of days time Coco Gough aiming to overturn a very one-sided head speaking of which. Let's go and see if Algras is key. Again, Stefano Sittapas still works in the lock. We'll be back with part two in just a moment.
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Learn more at UH1.com. Welcome back to part 2, where it is a few hours later, we're back at tennis broadcast hours. And we can categorically confirm that Carlos Algrés does indeed have the key to the lock that is Steffanos Sitapas. His record is now 6 and 0. Again, Sitapas, tonight he beat him 6, 3, 7, 6, 6, 3, David, comprehensively. Very much so. And it could have been even more comprehensive because it was 6, 3, 4, 1, when we arrived back at the flat here.
And then there was a break of serve back and ended up being this slightly closer. Second said in the end. But what I always seem to forget is the effect that Carlos Algrés has on Steffanos Sitapas. And the lack of effect that Sitapas has on Algrés. There's just nothing that he hurts him with at all. And I kind of convinced myself having watched them on T'Carlo victory, the title that Sitapas won and the shape of his back hand, and the way he plays on play.
If he played properly, if he turned up against Carlos Algrés, then he might be able to actually make life difficult. It just doesn't happen. It just has no effect on Algrés. He ends up looking quite clunky, Sitapas, when he's facing Algrés. It works against everybody else. And it even works against Janik Sinner sometimes. It's even worked for a couple of sets and that find against Novak Chokavitch. But for whatever reason, I think it's the quick silver, quick silver feet of Algrés.
It's the speed of the ground strokes that are out of nowhere, the drop shots, the serve and volley. He has everything in his game that is better than Sitapas. And it's still somewhat surprising when I end up actually seeing it again in a three set straight set match like that. I was really bemused on behalf of Sitapas. I was thinking, what are you going to go home thinking after this? How are you going to convince yourself next time that it's going to be different?
Yeah, it's actually sort of less a case of Algrés having the keys. In fact, the door just being wide open. And it's like, he doesn't even really need to unlock the Sitapas game. It's just there for him to take a part straight away. The match up is so good for Algrés. As David says, it's not like Sitapas is a bad clay court player. He's a very, very good clay court player. His game has an impact on pretty much everyone on this surface.
I think if it was Sitapas lining up to face Janik Sinat, I think I'd back Sinat or win. But I don't think it would look like what we saw today. I do think Sitapas, I mean, beats dinner in Monte Carlo, didn't he? I do think he can impact other players in a way he just can't with Carlos Algrés. And tennis-wise, as David's explained, it sort of brings out a worse side of Sitapas. I also think it doesn't bring out his best personality.
There was a part today where he was sort of going on about Algrés as his extended grunt. And he was in the past, he striped to sort of hit him directly with a ball in Barcelona. I think he, I don't know, he doesn't feel comfortable at all. And he's kind of sad to see it in a way. I love Carlos Algrés, but there's something about seeing Sitapas. Not that long ago was the... The coming man. The coming man. And we used to talk about Sitapas in the way we sort of...
Maybe not quite in the same way we talk about Algrés to be fair. But differently tell we talk about him now. And it's most exposed and most obvious, I think, when he plays Carlos Algrés, I suppose. Looking back on Algrés' comments about Sitapas ahead of this match, both on the court in his post-match interview, Otra's previous round when he was told who's going to be playing next. And he said, yeah, I feel good about that. I've got the key.
And then he's asked about those comments in press afterwards. And I was expecting him, you know, the customary move for a tennis player in that situation would be just to back off a little bit and to pay waxing tribute to their opponents' game and say, it's going to be a tough match, you know. Yes, I've got a good record against him. I feel confident, but it's going to be a tough match. That's the script. That's the tennis player script.
And when he kind of doubled down on the locking key thing, and actually sort of added an extra win to his head to head, he said, I think I'd beaten him five or six times. I did think, that's pretty baller. It's pretty baller from a guy that came into this tournament feeling pretty uncertain about his... Not quite the fitness is too simplistic, isn't it, because he was saying the arm is fine. But uncertain about where he was at and perhaps just a little bit lost.
This is a guy that really was bad against Jesper De Jong, like less than a week ago. He got it together in the end, but he was pretty bad. So it really did raise an eyebrow for me that he was so, so out there with his confidence facing Stefano Sutterpass. And look, he was absolutely right to be. I think that's indicative of two things, like how much Sutterpass is pigeon right now, as you both have just described. And how good Carlos Algras is now feeling.
I think he's a man transformed from ten days ago when he was totally in his head about that arm. He's still wearing the sleeve. I'm sure Nike would love him to stop wearing the sleeve. Someone backstage is very hastily designing a Nike sleeve. Let's try and make it a fashion thing, guys. Let's try and build it into the look. But yeah, I think he's right in the sweet spot now. And that's a good place to be going into a center-algras semi-final. Very good place.
We still have the minor doubts over Algras, obviously the arm, but it looks fine. More the letdowns we've seen in the past, the Medvedev semi-final in the US open. There's very quarter-final at the Australian open. A few other losses here and there where you've just thought, and including the Dion win, where his game just wasn't there. Where was it? Why couldn't he play properly? And I think there have been more of those than as an Algras fan or his coach that you could be comfortable with.
Because you don't know when that's coming and when it's not. I'd be very interested to know where he knows what has gone wrong in those matches. Like if he can, I feel most players when they get to a certain level of experience can diagnose what went wrong and therefore try to find ways to avoid it. And I think his way is to, as he said after some of them actually, to try to just be more consistent and to really then a bit and not be quite so flashy and be okay with that.
Because he's not generally okay with it because he loves to smile and make everything else smile. But that's how you win rather than just entertain. It's never happened against Sinner, has it? A real duffer of a performance. Yeah, one of those catastrophically slow start. No, I mean he did lose what was it, a 6-1 set against Sinner and Indian Wells? But he was a bit erratic and wayward, but actually Sinner was awesome in that sense.
And then he just worked his way into it and then the whole delay happened and everything else like that. But yeah, I generally think that he's more likely to show up on a clay court, I would have thought, and be able to just not get rushed and all those things. I think he's the favourite. Yeah, look, Jockovich here in last year's semifinal, like give him a pass for, you know, that was, he was a year younger than, wasn't he? It was his first time playing Jockovich in a grand slam.
We'd been waiting for it for a year. It was just too much, wasn't it? And it just overcame him and that was a learning. And yes, he slowly started at Wimbledon just a few weeks later, but turned that ship around. It's the Zwerroff one that the Australian opened this year that leaves me anxious still. I don't think, no, it hasn't really happened since, but he hasn't been in an equivalent match since at a grand slam.
And until we see him in that kind of match and see him not do that, I think there will be a ghost to be laid to rest for Carlos Algrés. Yeah, I agree. I do think having one Carlos Swerro here helps, you know, he wasn't in Australia and do think that was a factor in that performance. And just generally, I just have faith that Algrés and Sinner have pretty much in all their matches brought out the best in each other.
Like there, they just seem to be some sort of magic potion, really, when they come up against each other. Like, we know we're going to see some spectacular rallies and we know that they're just going to push each other. Sinner has one, their only previous match on Clay, which was in the final of UMAG in 2022. And, you know, it's tough to say how much that feels relevant because they're both, you know, Algrés has won two majors since then.
And Sinner's won a major, they're both in very different places. But I think that does suggest that, you know, maybe the basic elements of the rivalry will remain on a clay court. And look, it's a very even head to head. It's exactly even. It's four all. I think in my head, Sinner has sort of had the better of it. But Algrés has won some big ones against him as well, including that Indian well semi-final this year and they're actually US open.
So, I just can't wait. I think I would agree with David. Like, my instinct says Algrés could be the favourite there. Just feels like his upper level on Clay maybe right now is ahead of Sinner. But just so confident. And I know I said this about the Algrés Djokovic semi-final last year. I'm just so confident it's going to be good. What if it's crack? Yeah, what if he finds yourself jogging up the stairs with snacks only to arrive and find Carlos Algrés having full body cramps?
Yeah, there's Duffa. There's one learning, which is that I need to take sufficient snacks from the start. Yeah, absolutely. That will be the first of the men's semi-finals on Friday. So, we have both men's semi-finals Friday, both women's semi-finals Thursday. They're all daytime matches. Tomorrow is the last night session. More on that in just a moment. So, because today's winners are the first men to qualify for the semi-finals. They play the first match and then it'll be Casparoude.
We obviously already know taking on the winner of Alex Domino and Alexander Zverov in the second semi-finals. So, that's on Friday. Women's semi-finals Thursday. And in terms of tomorrow, well, we are one single match down on Chateau with Djokovic Rude not happening, which means we start with men's doubles. They've done well to get the men's doubles to the cause of final stage.
There were some second round doubles matches happening today. They are still pretty far behind. But it's Mussogono's and Horatio Zabios, the topseeds and the men's doubles, taking on Tomas Mahatch and Junjigen. Best player in the world. And Junjigen. Who, of course, teamed up at the Australian Open as well. Very successfully. Yeah. So, you're thinking going well for them. Glad that is continuing. So, yeah, they get a run out on Santa Cork tomorrow.
And then we have the two women's matches in the day sessions starting not before 2.15, which Jasmine Paulini against Elena, Rebecca, then Mira and Draver against Arena Sablenka. And the final night session match of the tournament tomorrow. It's a men's match. Alexander Sverov against Alex Derminor. That's not before 8.15 as usual now. That brings a close to the night sessions. It will bring a close to the night sessions for the 2024 edition of the French Open.
And they introduced an extra one this year. So, there have been 11 in total. All 11 have been men's matches, a reminder that last year, 9 out of 10. Men's matches. It was just Sablenka against Sloan Stevens, the only women's match that was given a night session billing. And the previous year, 2022, it was also 9 out of 10. It was Oscar Penko Kourne, wasn't it, the one women's match that year.
We've highlighted this both years, in particular two years ago, when Amalemirezmo, we tackled Amalemirezmo about it in her press conference towards the end of the tournament. And she gave some quite startling comments about the relative attractivity of the men's and women's game. That's, I'm using her words there, citing greater attractiveness of the men's game as the reason for forgiving them better billing.
So yeah, I attended that press conference. She gave those comments to me and everybody else in the room. And obviously they were circulated quite widely and put to a number of players that day. And including Ega Schviontek, who called those comments disappointing and surprising.
Those are, she was the most high profile women's player to comment on it at the time. And those remarks were obviously picked up very widely. And in response to that, Amalemirezmo invited me to come and speak to her so she could explain herself a little further. So he's just a little clip as a reminder of what Amalemirezmo had to say at the time. So the next session, there is one more aspect is that I inherit a one match with ticket holders that also have tickets just for one match.
So for sure, one criteria also to choose was the length of the match, which is not probably fair. But sometimes it's also, I think we have to change that somehow, whether it's putting it earlier and put two matches, whether it's being able, having the possibility to add another match and other doubles, whatever. This would make my life much easier. On the era thing and the... Nobody would argue with the strength of the big three.
But that was really my point. But honestly, the way I said it wasn't... I understand, I understand. It's not what I know. It's not an uncommon point. But this time next year, there may very well only be no bad job of it of those big three. Are you suggesting that the schedule would then be adjusted to reflect that? That it would be more women's matches than men's? I mean, that era... No, no, but it's very easy to use the era. Well, when you have... It's good, the picture.
Well, it's easy to not use the era when you have two matches to play at night also. Yeah, I'm sorry, but that's the position that we are put in. And we have to respond now, not in one year. We have to respond now in this... I hear you, and I take the criticism on this. But that's how it is now. Yeah, so in one year maybe we won't have this discussion because maybe there's going to be too much. Maybe not, so maybe we have another...
Another... We sit again and we say, okay, what evolves in one year? Well, maybe a little bit of this, maybe a little bit of that, but not yet the perfect ideal situation. We are coming from a bit behind in terms of all this. But yeah, I hear that the miscommunication, and again, I'm not saying it's... I take the responsibility for this. So that's how Malimma resmo, two years ago, very clearly saying, give me time. I have good intentions.
I can't change things overnight, but I do intend to evolve this situation. Last year, so one year on from that interview, as I said, cited the numbers earlier, there was no movement on those numbers. And Jessica Bagoula in her column with the BBC Sport website at the time was pretty outspoken. She said, the lack of women's matches in the night sessions at this year's French Open is disappointing.
She went on to say we want to see more women in those spots to highlight good tennis matches if we can. So it hasn't been ideal that there has only been one prime time match for us. I'm a member of the WP players council, and this issue has been raised a lot. Last year, when there was only one women's match at night, we spoke to the tournament organisers about it. That makes this year more disappointing because we tried to address it. We haven't seen any improvement.
We're not sure what was happened. So that was a year ago when there hadn't been any improvement on the previous year. And this year things have gone backwards. And not just on the issue of night sessions, but also on scheduling elsewhere. In all 10 days of Roland Garros, so far women have been scheduled first on Philippe Chatre. And I don't think anybody in the world could possibly claim that that is not the worst slot on Philippe Chatre for everybody concerned.
More often than not, women have been scheduled for the first two matches on Chatre, but not exclusively. But it has been exclusively women first on, including Alns Jabos' quarter final today against Coco Gough. And she was asked about that in her press conference today. And she said, I would have loved a quarter final at night, not at 11am. For me, it doesn't make sense.
Maybe this is the only grand slam and maybe the Australian Open Play quarter finals at 11am, which for me, I don't know about the broadcast, I don't know the TV, but you achieve a final and then it's like, no, you have to play at 11am. I talked about the night matches. Honestly, I wish I can see the contract between both prime and here. I think she means the tournament to know what's the deal there.
There was a lot of good women's matches, obviously not four hours, but who said it's healthy to play past 1am? And who said the stadium is full at 1am or 2am? I don't know who's watching the matches at that time. Again, I would suggest to start earlier and then put night matches on both sides, men and women. It's not healthy also for the players to play past, I don't know, 11 or midnight.
David asked the WTA for a statement on the situation today and they have said, the generation and depth of talent we are currently witnessing in the sport is incredible. Fans want to see the excitement and thrill of women's tennis on the biggest stages and in the premium time slots. To continue building the value of our combined product, a balanced match schedule that features both the best in men's and women's tennis is critical.
And look, we're not going to bang on about this at length because nothing has changed on our feelings from last year and 2022, except that they are incredibly even more heightened and even more sad and disappointed and pretty incredulous that we're, we've somehow managed to go backwards on the lowest, lowest possible starting point. It's a disgrace. I'm naive, but I'm still shocked because I just can't see how you can't think that it would be a good idea to improve on those first two years.
And to actually come out here and just slap women's tennis in the face metaphorically and by just not even giving them one. And how to just not caring is really embarrassing, I think for the tournament, it's embarrassing for Emily Marismo. And I know she has limited power, but she has some power and at the very least, if I were her, I'd be saying I'm embarrassed by this situation to be high closed doors.
Okay, she might, she can't say that publicly, she could say something, but she should be saying this is embarrassing. I'm a women's tennis champion and women's tennis is just being disrespected and treated as a second class product at every turn.
But I think for her to say that she'd have to, she'd have to think that and I don't know why I always come back to with this topic is, is, you know, that quote of, I think it's my angel who is there who said when someone shows you who they are, believe them. And you don't talk about attractivity and maybe there was a slight language issue there, but her point was, was clear, you don't talk about women's tennis in that term in those terms.
If you, if you champion women's tennis and if you get it, if you get that you have a responsibility to put in place the reasons why maybe men's tennis is more popular. You need, as a, as a tournament director, she's got a responsibility of trying to correct that and doing the things so that people more people are seeing women's tennis and when they see it, it will be just as popular as men's tennis. Like, she just doesn't fundamentally, I just don't think she gets that element.
And therefore, yeah, I feel naive as well, but I therefore just don't think it's ever going to change. It's not just her, I'm sure the people she's working with as well. And the TV contract, but the TV contract that has been made for one match and they are not changing and she said, we need to look at maybe two matches. Well, no. Good alcohol, bandy. Yeah, oh yeah, overnight. Clicker of the thing. All those hooligans around that lady clutching her wine secretly. The friendship.
And actually, you know, I do think the point about the number of matches, women's matches scheduled first on and first and second in the last few days where we've had sort of big high profile matches. It's been the two women's matches first, which given that you then play night matches, which then go on really, really late, it's genuinely hard to cover this tournament. If you want to cover the final ball of the day and the first ball of the day, something kind of has to give.
And, you know, there's just been a feeling of, I don't know, three or four straight days where it feels like, wow, the women's tennis is over. It's only two o'clock in the afternoon, three o'clock in the afternoon. And we've now got eight, nine hours ahead of us, which is just men's tennis. And of course, some of that comes back to the imbalance of sets, which is a wider tennis issue, grand slam issue, I should say.
But there is just this feeling every day of right, let's get the women out the way while people are having their lunch that they've paid for. And while it's, you know, being shown on France cat rather than France do. And by the by the by mid afternoon, we'll have the men on. And that is how it feels. Absolutely. Yeah, I'd far rather be sleeping through a men's match when I when I slipped through my alarm. Because one off folks one off. It's their fault for not waking me up. Okay. Those men.
Well, duty, duty note, no, no that job of it, which is done the women are solid tomorrow, because doubles even lower down the pecking order than women. So it's actually doubles on to first tomorrow. Men's doubles. Men's doubles, yeah. Okay, that is all for tomorrow. We can't wait. We have Bersier, our French Open mascot owned by Elise. I've just put a Bersier video on our Insta stories. Oh, good work. Elise is very giving with the Bersier content. Oh, well done Elise.
We appreciate that. We have our mascots. I have the dearly departed Darwin. We got points. Not many because you don't get many points for a Negasion tech win. Your strategy. That you'll count. David has Francis and Matt has hired it and so much. We both scored big, didn't we, Matt? Yeah, I had a message from my mom. I'll take her off in three. I had a message from my mom about this. Stand by. It's not good for you to. She said excessive points, Richard, but goff school line. Just saying.
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And finally, we have Alex Tresserdern. And we know Alex because Alex is one of the legends who got his photo in tennis pub cast merch with Carlos. Oh. Carlos, yeah, we're in London. Alex is a genuine legend. Yeah, Alex and did Alex buy us a beer? Yes. He brought beers to, I think, our first, maybe Wimbledon last year. Yeah. That was epic. Yeah, one of them was in on the boat when they might have. And one was in the mix. Yeah. In fact, Alex says we're off to a few tennis tournaments in 2024.
So hopefully we can find a way to top that or at least supply you all with more beers. That's fine. Alex here. We like Alex. Alex says he looks at that photo at least once a week. Oh, I think we do too. Well, it's in our live show in Trovis, in our credits. Alex, like Alex Carrietcher. And Domenore, potential Roland Garros semi-finalist TBC tomorrow. That'd be quite a story, wouldn't it? Thank you, Alex. You are indeed a legend as our Sarah and Beth and like Beth and that works at Wimbledon.
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