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system. Hi, this is Billie Jean King. This is Mary and Bartotti. I'm Matt's Belander. This is Mary Carillo. This is Pam Shriver. This is Janik Noah and you're listening to the tennis podcast. Well, hello, good evening and welcome to the sixth floor of Court Philippe Chattrier to my left. Sprulling out before me, I have the City of Paris to my right. We have an empty Philippe Chattrier stadium because we are between sessions. We've had the three day session
matches on there already. We've had winners in the shape of Nomeo, Saka, Coloss Algras and Caroline Garcia. In around about half an hour's time, Andy Murray and Stammer Rinker will take to the court for their night session match and don't worry, we will be back with part two covering off that match and anything else that happens late into the evening here at Roland Garros. The chance that you might be able to hear in the background are incredibly foreshad Gascay. 37
years of age, he's inspiring the French over on Suzanne Longlin. It's pretty incredible, definitively French open scenes over there, David. Yeah, I didn't think this place could get me anymore and it's one up to everything that I've had in the last two years I feel like today. I've had a complete day on Suzanne Longlin courts from the first ball of the first match with Hugo Ambeer against Lorenzo Sonnego in warm sunshine through a Yelena Roster Penko snippet in her match
and then a rain storm that saw the roof come on for the very first time and I went back out to experience that and it happened to go inside with the first set of Richard Gascay and born a charge and seriously I'd almost forgotten Richard Gascay was a player and you come here to Paris
and you realize the way they treat their own he is not just any old player, he is a French player and that means he is a hero in their eyes until he does something otherwise and that's how he was greeted when he came out of the course he did immediately double-faults and the sound was kind of like an audible i-roll but it doesn't take much for them to literally be chanting his name
and I can only imagine how that must make him feel. Yeah, to quote you back to yourself, David, you texted us earlier saying, Richard Gascay has just been welcomed onto Longlin like Gora and in split after winning them both of them. And it's not an exaggeration, it's 10,000 people, not one of them is thinking this guy has let us down so much over the years or hasn't quite done what we all thought he'd do. They're all totally in on Richard Gascay. Matt was singing along to
a Risha Gascay chance over on court numbers. He learned the words very quickly. Yeah, we weren't even on that court. We were about four courts over watching Amanda Anisomeva and Anna Anisomeva win, by the way. Very comfortable, impressive performance from her but Matt was singing Richard Gascay's name
while watching that Amanda Anisomeva win. Yeah, and as I made my way back from court 14 where Anisomeva was playing to get back to fidget jet tray, you have to go round court Suzanne Longlin and it was just mayhem, just long lines trying to get in and the big screens here at Roland Garros or some of
them anyway are on kind of the side of court Suzanne Longlin and you get crowds just sort of standing there and that was as big a crowd as I've seen in my few years coming here watching Gascay like 50 or 60 people deep, all of them in the way but all of them I was giving a pass because they wanted to watch the final stages of Gascay winning and yeah just incredibly special scenes and kind of an interesting match to players Gascay and Chorich who at one stage of their lives were the
next big thing each of them. You know Gascay especially here in France when I think it wasn't the on the cover of Lecky or something when he was extremely young and Chorich had big wins over marrying the Dal early in his career and yet here they are many years later and I think there was like perhaps a danger that that match would have been a bit sad and yet Gascay and the Longlin crowd have made sure it was pretty uplifting and that's a pretty special Grand Slam kind of experience there.
And look I know the biggest names of where on Chattri today and we're going to talk about all of those that I mentioned earlier but I do feel like Longlin is an appropriate place to start today because we had the official christening of the Longlin roof didn't we there was a ceremony this morning we didn't go to the ceremony but I'm reliably informed there were 20 dancers dressed as Suzan Longlin
involved. I wish I'd got it I have to say it's not believe you missed this. It's my only regret from the day that I didn't go and we got there just a bit too late for that but the rest of the day has been in its entirety really. But you did get to see the informal christening of the roof because it rained today and you got to see the roof actually on and being practically used and we sat on Longlin for a bit of qualifying a couple of days ago and we saw the roof sitting there
dormant laying dormant not in use but you know the construction sitting atop the court and we thought that looks like a good roof looks like they've done a good job here but it was only once I saw it in full flow and David you can describe it how it felt in person I was blown away by that it made me think do they wish they could go back and redo the chattier roof because of that one
is a thing of beauty. Totally different feel and now I hold my breath a little with the chattier roof because I don't know construction wise whether it would be possible to do what they've done on Longlin because it's so much bigger you know this is a 15,000 seat stadium long lens at 10,000
seat stadium but structural engineers do you get in touch? Yes but what effectively what they've done here is they've got the big contraption the machinery on the side of it but that's the only machinery you see because that what covers the court is not a roof it is like a see through white
umbrella that unfolds in a concertine and fashion across the court so that you get natural light through it there are floodlights within the machinery on the sides so you don't have them beaming down you have them beaming sort of diagonally across and down and then you have this gap in between
the side of the stadium what was that was there originally and the umbrella kind of cover is probably the best way to put it and there's a sort of mesh there's a see through mesh wiring mesh mesh at the side of the court so you feel like you've got you've got daylight no matter what happens
the thing that struck me it's suddenly it realized what I was feeling towards the end of the the set that I was watching with the roof on I didn't feel indoors that is the first time I've ever felt that I'm not indoors when there's a roof on and that's the secret source the key
that's gold I don't know how they've done it I think Wimbledon achieves that a bit that it does allow natural lighting but they also do have to have the flood lights on the acoustics change yeah acoustics are very different and it's very like I know that the natural light comes in at Wimbledon it's a very heavy roof whereas this one feels very light and I think you know you said that there were dancers dressed as Suzanne Long and they're saying that the roof is kind of dressed as Suzanne Long
menace inspired by one of her outfit I didn't know that but now that I have witnessed it that figures more roofs inspired by skirts would be my court and and no Matt was very worried about the shadow situation early doors David was sending lots of hype messages about about Long-Learn and Matt
was reading them ago and yeah but what about the shadow we don't we don't know about the shadow yet and actually we think well it moved off the court very quickly by 10 by 1120 the place started at 11 by 1120 that shadow was only covering the right hand tram line from where we look in our press seats and 10 minutes later it had moved off the court altogether and I don't recall seeing shadow
again all day now admittedly it wasn't sunny all day so what happens at 6 p.m. I'm not sure I mean I do think we're likely to see a situation in the future where there's going to be pressure for them to try to have night sessions on that as well because it's flood lit and you know you can see
the appetite they're going to sell it out but I'd be very up for that to be honest because one of our main gripes about the night sessions here at the moment not the main gripe but one of them is it's not a session it's a match yeah absolutely so extending it to another court does make does move
it more in the session direction doesn't it yes it sort of makes me wonder whether the roof we're looking at now on Chattrae was inspired by what Philippe Chattrae used to wear did he used to wear just sort of big flat white chalk I mean quite possibly yeah perhaps it was funny wasn't it because
over on Long Lane you had this glorious ceremony to kick off the day you started with a French player against a flashy inspired Italian in Lorenzo Sonnegoag and 17 C Top Ranked Frenchman Hugo and Baird this absolutely electric atmosphere there was a band a Davis Cup style band
in attendance on Long Lane and they know some bangers it was it was really good vibes and then by contrast Matt you were in situ on Chattrae for the duration of the first match of the day on there between Naomi Osaka and Lucia Branzetti and it couldn't have been more different right it
pretty viabless for most of the match yes which is a common theme with that opening match on Chattrae we kind of see it every year I think especially the opening match on a Sunday on Chattrae we've we've talked in the past about you know on Shaburg and in court there a couple of years ago and
it feeling flattened like she's kind of out before the tournament started and look I think for most of the match it was flat because there was no danger in it and which feels like a crazy thing to say because of the match it turned into but through a set and three all this was just one
side it Naomi Osaka looking very comfortable firing a lot of winners early in the first set and stamping her authority on the match and Branzetti not really able to impact the match in any way shape or form and I mentioned the three all game in the second set because that was when a
sarca had break points and it just felt like she was going to take those and move to a comfortable straight sets victory but she didn't take those break points and it didn't take much that was all it took you know Branzetti holding that game and suddenly Osaka's game in that second set really
dropped off and Branzetti had only one break point and that was at five four Osaka saved it with a slightly miss hit I think four hand onto the line but then Branzetti created another break point in that game that was set point and the set was over and it was kind of like wow okay suddenly
this is a set all kind of out of nowhere because the sarca was cruising here and it was at that point the crowd started to fill up a little bit more we were probably an hour and a half in by that point and there was suddenly a bit of jeopardy on the scoreboard but Osaka did brilliantly to race to
a fall I've lead in the third set you know she just suddenly got her game back together and she had a point for five love and I was saying right we're almost done here on Chetre lunch plans get lunch plans were in progress yeah I just didn't see any way that this wasn't going
to be a six-level six-one final set for Osaka and then kind of the same thing happened in the third set as it happened in the second in that all it took was Branzetti to just show a little bit of resistance and suddenly Osaka started getting very very tight and her form dropped off and suddenly
we were in a situation where she lost five games in a row and she was five fall down and we were we were confronting potentially Naomi Osaka falling victim to that early slot on a Sunday and missing out on a sarca's fjontek if she fjontek wins in a couple of days time and it all just
changed very suddenly and interestingly Osaka said in her press conference that she felt very very nervous about trying to get a win at a grand slam for the first time in a couple of years and which sounds like an extraordinary thing to say for someone who's won four of these tournaments
like just a single match win can be such a big deal for her but in a way I think that nervousness to me is just is a sign that a sarca just she just understands match situations and she understands kind of what a big deal these matches are I think it's in a way the same quality that
actually allows her to win big tournaments like she understands moments and she's able to raise her game in those moments and yet kind of the moment was a bit big for her in today and she admitted that and look there was kind of a fortunate event that helped Osaka win this match down the stretch
Bonsetti got kind of distracted by a line call there was a lot of wins swirling on one point as well and Bonsetti lost to serve and Osaka managed to squeeze through and and eventually win that final set without needing a tie break 7-5 but there were lots of good things that Osaka did today but
I kind of come out of that match thinking if she does play Eagus Fjontek in a couple of days time I think it's going to be pretty tough for her to make much of an impact on Fjontek I mean she said that she'll like going into that as an underdog it's just such a different match to the one she
had today like Bonsetti just hits pretty up and down the court flat like very rarely was a sarca pushed out pushed out of the tram lines you know pushed off court she was just heading up and down just made me think Fjontek will have a sarca moving side to side and I just think it's going to be a
a tough match up for her but hopefully we will at least get to see that match and that occasion I think will be interesting and maybe a sarca will rise to it as I've just said she has done in the past but don't know whether her form is is quite there at the moment to live with Eagus Fjontek
I'm intrigued about what her attitude and body language and aura will be like in that match against Eagus Fjontek will she with apologies to Leria Jean-Jean if this all ends up completely inaccurate and out of date you've already seen what the French crowd can do to hire
her to here but you know I kind of want to see her walk out there like well I'm a full-time grandson champion too I do love the quite extraordinary humility of this incarnation of Nomeo Sarka I'm very impressed by it her total lack of entitlement obviously that's exaggerated a bit
by Clay where she's never had any great success even at her peak but even earlier on in the season on on the hard course there's a really startling humility about though it's almost like those full-time sams they were they were a different person I'm starting from scratch here I've got no
right to anything she even kind of hinted at it in impressed today when she was talking about how before she used to play so much more emphasis on slams than all other tournaments and she said now I have a completely different attitude she said I just value any win anywhere I just you know
I can't take winning for granted at any level and I thought well that's incredible and really healthy but like I also wanted to have it within her to puff her chest out and go I'm a full-time grandson champion check me out yeah I think you've hit the now on the head there of what that
balance is that that she's got to strike and also that that humility that you're talking about she cited as one of the recent wise she doesn't like to check the draw she said she says kind of who am I to think that I can be thinking several rounds ahead look I shouldn't be I should
I should be thinking just one match at a time I don't I can't guarantee that I'll make it in the draw so why do I need to look at it and I asked her about like how does she manage to do that like how does she not you know see it on social media or accidentally over here a conversation you know
and it really struck me I think how much as a tennis player I think especially as a top tennis player with a big team you can stay in your own bubble I think she's just protected by this ring of people and they all know that she doesn't want to see the draw so they don't mention it they
don't tell her and yeah they just sort of protect her in that way and she and I asked whether it was stressful you know as we were debating the other day and she said no it isn't because she knows she can trust all of them I think I think it might just be the press conferences where she
has to be careful on the problem it was just inadvertently quoted Taylor but if David doesn't have notifications on his phone and doesn't know when the cycle press conference is then she's safe which is what happens today yeah David said I really want to know when the press conferences are but
I don't want to turn on these vacations and Matt was like it's kind of like well I can't really help you David that's those two things aren't compatible so a cycle the first winner on Chattier then out comes Carlos Alcarez taking on JJ Wolf American qualifier he looked an absolutely
mess Carlos Alcarez do you think outfit wise yeah I mean there were two messes on the court JJ Wolf's game and Carlos Alcarez his outfit none of it went together no it I thought it was like training kit and he was going to change like he is Nike's man what a great like he gets his own
trademark kit he was wearing like a reverse an inverse version of what Jack Draper was wearing but like the wrong way around he was wearing just a plain navy blue shirt kind of gray gray like sort of muddy college top yellow shorts black socks dirty white trainers none of it went together
like I mean Catherine you don't really do kit dear kit chat very often so this must have really offended you that's quite an unveiling isn't it the top players for the big clothing sponsors it's like you're going to have your own tailored trademark kit and everyone's going to
want to wear it no one wants to wear that but his game looked all right I'd rather it be that way around yes absolutely he's he's still saying that thing about not going for his forehand 100 percent and you could tell that he he wasn't always pulling the trigger on it and he said that's
entirely his own decision he says everyone is telling him you can go for it like your arms fine but it is still in his head which is perhaps a little bit of a worry like further down the line if he's in a big match and he's got that logs in his brain that that might be the sort of thing
that could get you tight I would have thought could make him a better plan I think like if it wasn't fear I think tactically it might be a good idea not to go after the ball all the time but I worry if it's fear is not compatible with Carlos Alcarez being his best self-right.
Because he needs to be loose loose and free yeah but um but he said he felt good he he he wasn't feeling any pain at all and I think it was his most comprehensive win at a slam ever but like 6 6 1 6 2 6 1 as you said JJ will did not put up any competition there like I think it's hard
to read in the press he lost heavily in the final runner qualifying and then got in as a lucky loser and he was terrible yeah I mean he tried you could tell he was trying his heart out he just couldn't get anywhere near Alcarez I mean obviously it is Alcarez but still that was
that was a dream first round of Ireland it'll be Jesper De Jong next for Coloss Alcarez a Dutch qualifier who today beat Jack Draper in five sets he was two sets to love up and cruising quite frankly lost the next two there was a reindeer lay in the fourth set um I think once it
went into a fifth most people probably would have backed Draper from that position it was very impressive from from Jesper De Jong with scarce little uh tall level experience the lone Grand Slam experience I think this is only his second slam so very impressive from him
Jack Draper clearly absolutely furious with that performance fuming with himself I think but but also trying to remind himself that he's he's got to expect this in this transition period basically he said I've I'm trying to sort out myself and it's a problem at the moment he said
there were periods in the match out there we felt like he didn't really have a serve um and clearly that's going to be a problem for him but on the positive side for Jack Draper he said he felt physically totally fine after four and a bit hours of of play and that that is a big leap forward
for him I still you know it's tough what I went out for the fifth set of this because I thought thought it was going to go to a deciding set tie break and it very much didn't um and it was he did look caught caught between two modes of play he could it was clear he was trying to tell
himself go for it but his DNA was saying brined yeah and and actually watching him in this Jesper De Jong is half his size physically I mean if you weighed the two of them there must be you know 15 kilos and more between them in weight um in terms of muscularity and being broad
and tall and so forth but if if you were to say well one of these players is coached by a way and for error who has told his player to go for everything you'd think it was De Jong because he was the one pulling the trigger and he finished it with an inside out four and winner that he'd run
all the way around um and yeah listen yeah I don't think you can just click your fingers and suddenly be an aggressive player in that way but Draper's clearly got a long way to go the the thumping base you can hear in the background by the way is the build up to Andy Murray and
Stanborough Rinker coming out onto court the Philip Shatchray stadium is filling up hot with anticipation isn't it ready to move some lines with tile move move the lines with style is inexplicably the French opens catchphrase I've got some live news in for you from Simon
Matier oh yeah Nicholas Jerry's being booed quote for having the temerity to have been born outside France is that from your brother yeah yeah and honestly uh Mute's coach sort of lit the fuse with this one saying that he wants he wants Jerry to be welcome like it's hell out there
because they played in Santiago a few weeks ago and it was it was hell for Mute because the fans were going wild for Jerry and apparently Jerry's box were making a lot of noise at Mute and this is their chance to return the favor it's like a it's like a home and away leg in a in like a football knockout sort of too tie situation and yeah I'm look I know we've got Andy Murray and Stanborough Rinker on on Shatchray but I'm definitely heading over to Simon Matier after we've
been it's recording course you are. Third match on Shatchray Day session today was Caroleen Garcia David you watched a lot of this you had a little stint in the five-live commentary booth I'm in need to rely on you here because I was keeping an eye on quite a lot of the I mean
this is a tale tale of two matches and I watched quite a lot of the first half which was Caroleen Garcia being more of quite frankly she couldn't find a fault she was either dumping the forehand in the net or hitting the back fence it was I found it really uncomfortable to watch and then our next thing I know she'd come back come back from behind to to win in
Muscatair style fashion so what happened? Well I mean it it was as you described I mean she's not had the best of time it's really Caroleen Garcia here over the years she has reached one quarter final in 2017 but she's lost a lot of second rounds recently she tweeted yesterday that you know
it's not always been easy for me here at the home grand slam and but I feel as physically and mentally prepared as I can be her as though this is as good as she has been here but when she lost that first set and her opponent today Eva Lease was doing to her what she does to everybody else
of standing in on her own serve and just teeing off on it she'd come through the qualifying you know it was really hairy I mean she was she was I thought she was going to knock her out to be honest and and all credit to Garcia for finding a way back she dug in and you don't get the same degree
of help on Chattriere as you do on Longland and all these other courts not that people aren't into it they're old they don't care but it's a cavernous stadium it's 15,000 people it wasn't full at that point and and they did get into it but you kind of have to do it more for yourself I think
if you want to create vibe and and and and she she managed it I thought it was actually a really gutsy win but I don't find a particularly convincing I mean it was it was better new go and bear the French men's number one so you've got the two number one players in action today but um actually
it's it's kind of gas game and one or two others that have really shone yeah there was a moment a couple of hours ago where I'd written the agenda with the words French men's and women's number one crash out on on day one because you go and bear earlier David losing in full sets to
Tid Lorenzo Sonnego on Suzanne Longland 6426 6463 you watched all of this I watched a lot of this you summed it up really well I felt like while we were watching it was like the the crowd were giving them back everything that everything but in their heart of hearts that are rather sonnego
was their guy yeah I mean I'm sure they would deny that but in terms of personalities one player looks comfortable in that environment and the other one didn't and the one who didn't was who go and bear he was trying his best he was raising his fist he was trying to trying to sort of
go with the crowd when they would get behind him because they don't they need so little to get excited about they need one point and then they create it one point and the band is playing the rocky yeah an instrumental rendition of the rock music I cannot feel inspired when they're singing
your name like that no matter who you are as long as you're French they are behind you but sonnego played that scene to perfection first set he comes out and he's so intense I can't tell you how intense this match was at the start and again I mean you you see more of it because
you're so close our press seats are at the back of that court you know six rows back and you feel like you're right there with them and and and he and and sonnego was getting pumped up but not in the face of anybody he wasn't upsetting anybody and no one did he get whistled if you go and check
a mark if you're an opponent of a French player here at the French Open you get whistled by the crowd because how dare you for checking a mark he didn't do any of that he called a double bounce sonne himself all sorts of little sportsmen like things like that but then got really pumped up as
well and I just thought this guy knows how to play these occasions and and he won the first set then umbez class frankly told in the second set because sonnego is a limited player you know he's got a good forehand terrible backhand one of the worst on tour um totally unreliable um and
and and he can go terribly off but then after losing the second set and it looks like it's turning umbez is a three two up third set he's got 30 all and you think here we go this I said to you this is the this is a big point right here well sonnego wins it and immediately breaks serve he's
a spurred kind of player sonne had a little spurred of inspiration and um and he took over and uh and really it never looked like it was going to turn from there thinking of all the headphone users right now getting that up he's a it feels like the T-Rex from Jurassic Park is headed our way and we
need to hide underneath a car uh yeah they're opening the roof on Chattier in anticipation of Murray and Brunka walking out and I think that was a countdown type situation I mean it was advertised as 815 and of course it's 820 in the players and not on court so it's a very tennis
big tennis and I should say I didn't uh watch umbez sonnego I didn't I didn't need to because of David's excellent breakdown there but I will I will tease the newsletter that's the thing that we can do uh because today's stat is unbear related yeah do subscribe to the newsletter folks
it is free and it is excellent the link uh will be in our show notes David you watched some of you Lane Roster Penko avoiding a banana skin second on longland yeah I did and it it was looking a bit dicey foot for a little while remind me of her opponent's name I can't quite remember how
you pronounce it jacolin christian that's right yeah and I was sort of watching and I and I've heard a little bit about her in fact from one of our members of the barge Tony Penny who seems to follow her her fortunes and knew a lot of her results and I was sort of keeping a cross it via that and
realize that this is actually somebody who who is doing some things here and and yeah not a great first round draw on paper and she actually had early in the second set I mean the first set was pretty straightforward for us to Penko but early in the second set she had a break a serve
but turned it around I mean it was it was a little flatter because it would come after the the you go on bare and the home crowd and all that sort of thing but I sat right behind like the row behind the the trainer and the coach of of a young roster Penko and just you you felt the the
tenseness between them tension between them and and how much they're they're trying to sort of inspire each other all most she would turn around with a big clenched fist every time she hit any sort of winner and he was barking encouragement towards her but yeah she is such an
interesting player because she won this title out of nowhere and and Charlie Eccleshire wrote that great piece in the the athletic over the last 24 hours or so remembering that and talking about her reactions and some of her no lookam checks and some of her her her looks at line calls
and all sorts of things like that but you know if she makes a run here she's the one that Shrantech doesn't want to face we know that from history at least results wise and now that she's through today I actually think she really could go on around when I was looking at her in the predictions
I thought they're not to Penko yeah she I mean obviously former champion but I didn't do anything with it because I really thought she might lose today and I think that's actually a pretty impressive victory straight sets over Jacqueline Christian we'll talk about more tennis
and results in part two as Andy Murray and Stanford were and could just get going in the early stages of their night session match they both received standing evations from an almost full crowd on Shatchery and that was that was really lovely to see actually so so we'll wrap all of that up in
part two but finding part one we should cover Novak Djokovic's pre tournament press conference which was obviously delayed from earlier in the weekend because he was in Geneva until the semi-final stages so he came in it well it was supposed to be 4pm this afternoon and got delayed to to 4.20pm and it was it was quite interesting and quite surprising I thought Matt what was your reaction to it?
The same really and I got that sense straight away because the first question was asking kind of how he is mentally going into this tournament given you know he's had a very difficult year and his answer was simply low expectations high hopes and he paused and I thought oh I wonder if
he's going to expand on that Novak Djokovic normally gives very long answers in press and that was it that was all he said and I thought oh okay this this might be a bit of a different Novak Djokovic press conference he's searching I think he really is there was there was not the same
self-assuredness that there normally is about Novak Djokovic on the eve of a grand sam tournament and he was then asked to kind of elaborate on that low expectations high hopes by by you Catherine and one of the things he said which I found interesting was that what that means for him is obviously
his bar is winning the tournament like that hasn't changed he said he's got the career to back it up he expects that of himself he always does but the way he's looking at it a bit differently he struck me that he is having to go round by round here and he said that he said I'm going to have
to go round by round I'm going to have to find my form and he didn't say this but sort of what was unsaid there was in the past he hasn't always necessarily needed to go round by round he knows that he can breeze through the first few rounds of a slam and dial it up and turn it on right at
the end we've seen him do it for so long not that he's taking those opponents lightly there's just such an air of confidence about him that normally he can just fall back on that that is not there right now and he is going to be searching from from round one he then said something right at
the end of the English portion of his press conference which was pretty cryptic and I didn't really understand I still don't understand where he was asked about how he's feeling physically because you know a real feature of no but the other of which matches this season has been to seem struggling
you know heavy breathing going to the ice towel and he said well various things were happening in the last couple of months but I don't want to get into it I hope you understand that I don't want to open Pandora box and talk about things it's something I can't affect anymore I can kind of
learn to rectify certain things and write the certain things that are wrong and are not serving the purpose of my highest performance level so that's what we're working on as a team and I don't really know what he's referring to no no one does after after that press conference the
words Pandora's box were just being uttered under the under the breaths of so many journeys what's important what's in Pandora's box and yeah we don't know it sounded to me we discussed this a little bit Matt I heard you discussing it David on five live with Daniela Hantik over who
at periods in the past she's very close to Mary and Vaidish he's been quite close to the the Jokovic team and has been a real cheerleader actually for no about Jokovic over the years and I found it very interesting how concerned she was for Jokovic particularly because of what he's
done with Jettisoning his whole team over the course of the last few months but it sounded like an expression of regret didn't it that that statement regret over something he's done or not done over the past couple of months that was the mood in the room it felt like the mood that he was
trying to express I've no idea about what but that was the sense that I got what was your take David well I wasn't in the press conference so I didn't hear it I read the quotes and what you say does sound does sound like that does sound like somebody who is just a little bit lost right now
and and for somebody who's not been like that since his elbow surgery that was the last time he was he was trying to work out where he was and how to rectify it and and there was a good year and euro so of that if you think that including the the loss of motivation that he admitted to the
kind of being burnt out but then turning up at certain events and having to pull out mid match against Thomas Burtick again Wimbledon and and I think Stanford Rinker maybe as well at the US Open you know he just wasn't himself but then since then you know yes he had the disappointment of
not quite winning the the Grand Slam when he went for it and the US Open that time but most of the time it's just been on the court unless he's been and some of his kind of self-created issues of hitting a ball away and getting disqualified or that all deported from Australia and all the
other things that happened on the court that's been his sanctuary that's been where he's he's known exactly where he is and and it it is interesting watching him try to just figure this out right now at the age of what is he 37 and it's it's it's one of the great fascinations of the next four
months three Grand Slam's Olympic Games what will know that shock of it's beyond at the end of that and there was a portion of his press conference where he referenced that period that David's just talked about there where he had his elbow problems and he referenced that in terms of yeah
trying to draw on kind of the resilience that he showed to get through that and come out the other side I think he knows he needs to kind of fast track that as you said over the next four months because there's just so congested with big events but yeah it did sound to me like he was
slightly regretting or felt I don't know maybe slightly ashamed of something that has happened this year that has taken him out of that high performance to use his words that he's been in for so long and he says he's kind of nothing you can do about it now he's got to get back on track and
whether it's something he's done or something that has happened to him I'm not quite sure but look we don't know what it is but this definitely feels like some kind of event has happened it doesn't want to get into not was bang on the head then I don't think so because he was sort of
not the same question but it sounded both with the time period at one point he said two months and he he also suggested agency in the situation which suggests it's not the concord that was a thing that happened to him it may also very well be a feature in what's going on with him at the
moment but it didn't sound like that's what he was getting at it sounded like some sort of situation or decision or series of decisions that he has had significant agency in and which he might not have I suppose he might not have regretted them at the time he might have felt like they
were the right decisions it's just whatever they were not regretted at the time that's that's a faux point okay well Andy Murray his drop she's opening service game to Stanford Rinker so we'd we'd better go put ourselves through that trauma and Matt I think I have some fans in my
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year and andy murray against amber rinker on philippe chattria i think fair to say to very different tennis watching experiences david you got the good end of the stick i think i think i did and i i really didn't intend to go and watch current amute and necklace jerry until i started to see
what was unfolding over the dinner that we all had together shortly after recording part one of the show and you know what what a what a sort of stickler amper for an opportunity to see somebody with a bit of bravado and show and silliness and genius i have to say honestly genius from
current amute i i i just couldn't not go there hearing what i was hearing coming from caught some unmatched year which is quite a walk isn't it that takes some getting to i'd forgotten i haven't been yeah i had not been there in quite a while and i don't even know if i went there
the whole of last year i'm i'm i'm beginning there a lot two years ago but sitting in the press seats there also close up like you can with long limb um i got there just as the sort of balloon was pricked because mute went immediately three love down and lost the third set and then
and then the circus restarted in set number four but it was absolutely magical i really didn't think i would be not going to Andy Murray against Dan Varinka but the truth is the two sets i saw was basically the whole of the the the chattere match i think probably one of the worst nights of
Nicholas jerry's life certainly his tennis life yeah this is another opportunity to say i don't know about his personal life um yeah i mean they promised him hell didn't they and that's pretty much what he got i mean even sort of maybe harder bulkhead to take him out at one point there
there was a hit on the goodest jerry my god yeah and being down and the the child stayed standing but six foot whatever in Nicholas jerry went down like a ton of bricks by the way uh i i decided to look up how tall content and mute actually is because he really is small i mean he's
he's he's quite stocky but he's short right and i looked it up it said five foot eleven now no way Dan Evans is listed as five foot nine and i remembered them playing each other so i googled it and i found a photo of them standing eyeball to eyeball and if anything Evans is taller
um but what mute was able to do against this guy just tearing above him a combination of he just drop shot at him into oblivion from the most ridiculous position how many tennis players have you seen over the years that you would describe as genius in what sort of company are you
putting content mute in there i think people like nikirius i would put him in that category uh with just things you can do with a tennis ball that seem absurd uh i mean obviously roger fedra but it's a different kind of genius with him because he's mixing just that talent with the racket
with the most impeccable mental approach um and physical fitness quite clearly content mute is lacking in so many areas which mean he's ranked down where he is but against a guy who hits the live and daylight out of the ball would both serve forehand backhand
everything he was messing him around he was discombobulating him by putting so many short balls towards him not all of them drop shots just some of them just you know really exaggerated spins but halfway up the court making him come forward and then passing him it was like watching
the way fedra would approach those type of matches sometimes when he would just chip short and impass you and um and he also hit two underarms serves the first one was a vicious underspun serves um bringing jerry lumbering forward again and then passing him the second one he missed
the serve it went wide and jerry just thundered forward and swatted the ball underneath the net straight at uh mute because he was just so fed up by this point um I mean he did he just broke him down mentally I mean the third set jerry one and the fourth set was six love mute I mean
it I did think that last year we we were commenting a lot on on the booing weren't we in the the amount of um of aggro in the crowd but the feeling that actually things have gone to another level and I did think it was pretty borderline really what I was what I was hearing out there and
seeing out there there was a little pocket of fans supporting jerry and and if they dared do that they were getting kind of turned on by the rest of the the crowd it was it was fine but it was it was a lot um and I think I think there's too much for jerry actually I think who is a nice
chap he would try to do his roaring and big hitting but actually he shriveled in the moment I mean three of three of the sets were six two six one six love you know against little quarantine mute that shouldn't be happening I mean mute actually won their match in Santiago
when it was a it was a crazy atmosphere the other way you know against mute and in favor of jerry I think I think you're exactly right David I think he enjoys that match up he enjoys messing jerry up like jerry's not particularly sort of he hasn't got much variety he's not particularly
sort of adept with his hands not dexterous is not dexterous exactly and mute is and and mute can drop the ball short or he can lob jerry he can just mess him up he made jerry like a very blunt instrument didn't he who's a very fine tool against a blunt instrument tonight that's that's what
it resembled I mean some of his behavior was appalling I mean there was there was one incredible tweener that the jerry hit that hit the junction of baseline and sideline and mute went charging up to it and called it out and brought the umpire down and the umpire came down and mute did
that thing we turned his back on the umpire because he knew he was going to call it out except he didn't call it out and then he went absolutely bananas and obviously the crowd went with him so you know he was playing the whole thing like Donna Vekitsch turning her back on Les Isarenco
earlier when she had a medical timeout so he's dusted all day that is how we started our day yeah it was a very I've seen this before from uh from Donna Vekitsch um so while that was all happening on some armature a very uh different experience for for everyone involved I think was
unfolding on philippe chattrie and that was a very straightforward victory four four and two four stammerer rinka over andi Murray uh followed by a very heartfelt extended exchange at the net the details of which in terms of the conversation we don't exactly know but definitely something
if not all of what stammerer rinka had to say there to andi Murray got to him you know it was very much wobbly bottom lip stuff and sobbing in the in the press room stuff for me um in terms of the match the match that we were expecting I think certainly as soon as we found out that this was a
a night session match I did I mean I don't think any version of andi Murray from the last seven years would have been able to beat stammer rinka in those conditions really stammer rinka can hit through and Murray can't it I mean and he very well knew that and Murray and was doing
quite a lot of fun drop-shotting but it never really felt like it was going to amount to anything exactly I think the only slight difference to my expectations was that were rinka played better than I thought I thought this would be two players both pretty broken both very much at the
end of their careers both had a form quite frankly and I thought that it would just be quite low quality all round I actually think rinka played really well from the rate wasn't it from what I saw like I don't as you said I think Murray was able to really impact him that much it did feel
like he just had the opportunity to to tee off on those strokes and his back cam was firing he was he was dominating the exchanges imposing his weight on his weight of shot which as you say makes such a difference in on a sort of chilly night session conditions so absolutely credit to
stammer rinka because that's that's the best I've seen in play for a while and it will be interesting to see whether he can carry that on for any any more rounds here or whether it was a case of Andy Murray was just unable to kind of offer anything down the other other end of the court
and yeah in the end kind of what I expected which was a rinka win and pretty sort of crushing for for Andy Murray yeah I'm worth noting that stammer rinka is two years older than Andy Murray he's 39 you know to be running any matches not just at that age but given what he's gone through
injury wise significant surgeries all the rest of it and he's always been talked about as a as a player that's kind of waxed and waned with their commitment a little bit nobody would have been surprised if stammer rinka had been a guy that had retired several years ago and not
put himself through what he's had to to get back and still be out there so really incredible and who wouldn't be here for a stammer rinka run of any sort at this tournament I'm not sure anyone wouldn't enjoy that but there was something incredibly poignant wasn't there about
their exchange at the net and I think it was summed up actually by a question that Andy Murray received in his press conference after what we're pretty certain is going to be his going to have been his last ever singles match here at the French Open a place where he reached the final
and had other tremendous results he was asked to reflect back on his legacy at this tournament in particular on paper his his least successful one of course and you know he he talked about how proud he is of his record here because clay didn't come naturally to him at all because of the
journey he had to go on to to master this surface to the extent that he did and you know he reeled off his record and he said the problem is in the era of Djokovic in the doll here that sounds pathetic but that's that's my career all over isn't it and of course you know who who else's
career that is that stammer rinka's career they're both defined by muscling into this era and I know their careers they're incredibly different we've debated that this week I don't actually think of them in hugely similar terms all the time you know when the bios flashed up
on the screen earlier when we were recording part one Andy Murray's 146 titles that's just unreal I didn't see how many stammer rinka want but it's far fewer than that but in that particular defining way they are so linked and I think I think that's what it was at the net there like we
did it and we climbed the big three mountain together also time because they both came on the scene at exactly the same time I saw I was in the stadium for their first ever match in 2005 in Switzerland in the Davis Cup it was a match that the rinka won very similar to tonight really
on clay one guy could hit through it the other guy couldn't and and only Murray fought like a dog the way he always does but you know he was basically muscled off the court by a very raw varinka back then who we always knew had potential but I wouldn't have seen three time
grand slam champion stammer rinka and that was the case for several years I mean it took him a long time to really fulfill potential and realize his his full peak and I don't think even he realized he could be as good as he turned out to be and huge credit I think needs to get a
magnus norm and as part of that but but I think that it's that as much as the titles and it's the time spent on the circuit together it's 19 years and yeah it's coming to a close soon rather than later yeah and I think although stammer rinka is you know not announcing his retirement he
is in fact announcing a crypto a crypto sponsorship and he's made it very clear that was you know he he's aware of his age he's realistic about that and he knows the end simply must be soon he's he's not planning a retirement at all he's very clear that he wants to do this as long as he can
so he is in a different situation to Andy Murray in that way um but equally he knows it's coming and he's looking down the other end to Andy Murray and he's he's seeing his fate isn't he um and that's all sorts of poignant yeah yeah there was a period between about 11 and 1120 where I
where Hannah was trying to break me on our on our what exactly and absolutely succeeded she she made an analogy about a pet dying and Matt was very worried about me for a period of time but we've regrouped we're here we ride again uh anything else we want to touch upon from day one before
we have a little little look ahead to the big day two uh kane shakori didn't the thing would we don't we'd be going there here we go kane shakori it's 2024 what's he doing Matt what he's always done winning unnecessary five set matches and bolstering that incredible record that he's got you
do you k it's like he looked at what was going on with the rinker and marie and saw all of us sort of having having all of these crippling thoughts about mortality and when don't worry guys nothing's changing over here some things don't change we still got that sort of goofy grin at the end
of it he looks exactly the same as he did ten years ago yeah so what what sort of record are we talking about now i mean he in terms of his five set record David it's 13 minutes to one and i don't have the stat to hand can i just say a very good one like like he can like genuinely one of
the best ever in terms of win percentage in in fifth sets and it's all about the percentage isn't it because yeah i mean he's played a lot of them but he's won a lot of them and you know that they've been as i said a sort of half jokingly half very serious point said unnecessary five sets there
because i think it's often been the case that he's ended up in five sets against players that he probably should have beaten more easily and that has maybe helped bolsters record he's actually got a very good five set record as well against top players so it's not just against lower rank
players that that that would be unfair to say but yeah today like two sets up Diallo comes back and wins the third and fourth pretty straightforwardly and you're thinking oh okay canisha korea hasn't played in months he's he's probably just not got anything left in the tank and yet he came
through and managed to win the fifth set and yeah pretty pretty cool moment one for the old it gas gay this is korea i've loved the rinke i've had i've had such a great day could have more feasts winning tomorrow it's all coming yeah well i hope you've got something in the tank for tomorrow david because let me tell you about the schedule in fact i'm not going to wheel through the whole schedule for tomorrow because there is one match isn't there that we were all looking for when the schedule
came out there's a very against the dial it's third on shatriya which i think is exactly where it belongs the rest of the shatriya schedule is sashia vickery against one striber then shifion tech against jon jon then's very of nidol and then mongfis against cybotch rich in in the night
session match it's the right place for zvara of nidol isn't it yeah it is it feels like it should be daytime it will be daytime i mean leke we're reporting that nidol was very much requesting data and that's his best chance isn't it he needs conditions he needs it frankly he needs it
to be lively if if at all possible and and he more is explaining tonight that the night session conditions are slower and lower bouncing and and it doesn't do as much and and and and and now needs it to do something tomorrow it's not going to be hot though that that's uh that's the news really
it's going to be sort of pretty cool actually about 17 17 degrees might have made me a bit of rain around but certainly not hot conditions which don't favor nadal i think i think if it were warmer he would be better off yeah i mean that semi-final they paid in 2022 was under the roof
and that was so incredibly slow and yeah it was like three and a half hours and they hadn't had they even finished two sets i'm not even sure they had it was like ridiculous how it's a bit grim actually those conditions it wasn't it's correct it was not an enjoyable match yeah anyone
want to make some outlandish predictions about that match they all some landish ones well i've i've picked raffa on the down to go to the quarter finals so i'm picking the down to beat it's very of tomorrow jay who i picked to go to the quarter finals david who's that and a
handrautobilo oh yeah i haven't him today no lost in the first round he's the he's set up from a set up to zizu burgs so and he's the bloke a bit jokkiewicz last week isn't he yeah shocker absolute shocker mat any predictions you'd care to make about zirja of nadal
there's none left to make about to be low he's on the plane home i'm sorry i i think zirja is going to win but it's raffa on the down at run on garros so indeed selected other matches tomorrow you bank sinner open up longland fuxavitch sits at pass goff avdavar and swittling a plish cover roundoff
things on longland it's a real miss i think there's no french players on there tomorrow there are enough french players at this tournament that you can scatter them around some on matria has plenty of them you've got massare over vandrosia video open things up then artifice against martéo
and marteo on el naldy sackery against grachevus a back to back frenchies on some on matria kupfer against me but i've lost on there connoisseurs first match on court number 14 or just general people that like vibes match on court number 14 ugo gaston against ben shelton can i have a yes please
yes please yes please yeah followed by anacana skijans clara barell lukevanash gans denyschappavallov then fioniferro gansdian parry is lost up all four consecutive french players on on court 14 tomorrow yeah and that's a good court so fun court it's one of those sunken
ones at the the back end of the the grounds behind behind season long they're almost kind of hidden away um can't they're deno collins plays tomorrow court number six who else have we got france tiafo is also about their bichis had d'adge mire um costs so much going on and dresski
and dresski play saras reba's tour may tomorrow on court number eight their third on court number eight and i think that's pretty much it for ones that are worth highlighting caminorii against pavol cot of the caminorii fans yeah uh have you picked a winner for his verve nadalya
i think verve is going to win but we have very different attitudes towards hope david yeah david thought what for he cameara he wasn't going to be sad yeah david thought i wasn't going to end the day reading hanna's quoting ulysses on on twitter
sobbing but here we are um so that's tomorrow no david we love your hope yeah we need it we need it desperate sometimes it comes off yeah and that's what we need exactly we have a role in garras mascot that mascot is bichir bichir but i had a photo in from bichir sat in front of the
tally with rollon garrason before it matches it even started bichir knows his tennis eggs we have our mascots i have the dearly departed Darwin and we want to know that hanna's night always injured there she is rocks up on court with an incredibly heavily strapped knee so that
was a disappointing moment david has frances and matt has hide her and soma and we went all the way with terrence atman and he lost two sets in a break up we won because our opponent got hurt and had to retire fantastic billy jean is sponsored by billy jean king and a lana class we have
of course our topvates of executive producers jamey jeff gregg and chris hello to you all matt we have sharrath out we have aron roff in massacuse it's like aron crickstein right aron very good aron roff tim roff yep all of these yeah aron cricksteen's probably better
thank you aron sorry where was aron massacuse it's at mansfield massacuse it well we have driven through massacuse it's not sure about mansfield but there we go we've got our own mansfield haven't we yeah i've driven through that thank you aron we've got christine brock mire who is from
vigenia right chris de hello chris deen we have a lot of listeners in vigenia or certainly a lot of listeners in vigenia that make themselves known to us yeah it might just be all the listeners we have in jenia in which case very few tennis chris deen will arthorash was from vigenia
yep richmond vigenia richmond vigenia i have just very quickly googled chris deen tennis and this anybody can do one off the top of their heads no go ahead sorry for cheating chris deen but i've got chris deen god rich and now retired tennis player asha to hope say to from australia he can actually know not that long ago competed on the dovetay tour from australia from 1987 to 1996 and i've also got chris deen yorden over climbed to number six in the Bulgarian women's tennis rankings
so we can be forgiven for not knowing too big christines in the tennis world there you go thank you christine and last up we've got chelsea gillah who is from anarba michigan hey hi chelsea hi chelsea why do i know isn't there is there a famous famous university in anarba it's too late
to be asking you questions on the spot that you don't know the answer to isn't it Matt sorry about that all i've got is that chelsea's childhood hero was Lindsey Davenport oh good hero good hero chelsea's i can tell you that dominic team is a chelsea fan
the football club the football club which is a blow yeah yeah for sure we've been doing all this house we don't we don't support all this complimenting it no it's it's been the chelsea flower show this week yes and um oh it's this it's a tough one to remember names at one o'clock in the morning
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