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The 6th day of the Olympic Games in Paris. The 6th day of the Olympic tennis and the day that Andy Murray officially we think finally has retired from professional tennis. It's over folks. He and Dan Evans will beat him at the quarter final stage 6264 by Tommy Paul and Taylor for it's ultimately quite a one sided match up barring. One last stand from Andy Murray and Dan Evans when they just would not lay down. Saved a match point broke back on the American serve.
Helled themselves and forced the Americans to serve it out a second time. I'm sure the Americans were rocking a bit on their heels knowing what Andy Murray and Dan Evans had pulled off in their two previous matches. They held firm and they were very classy in the moment of victory not really celebrating totally acknowledging the significance of the moment and who belonged in the spotlight. That was a very emotional and he Murray in an even more emotional Dan Evans.
It was Dan Evans tears that finally got me in the end. I feel like we've done this part a few times before but it's definitely real this time David. Yeah it's real. He knows it. We all know it and it's right that it is. I don't think it could have gone really much better realistically obviously if they'd have managed to win this match and get a chance at a medal but that would have been
fantasy land really. This was about struggle and overcoming absurd obstacles in a way that just had you holding your breath throughout for three matches. There were so many times that I found myself sort of like almost holding on to the sofa because I'm on this roller coaster and I don't know how to handle it and that's what Andy Murray does to everybody I think and he's been doing it for 20 years and so it couldn't
have been more fitting. I think the fact that he had Dan Evans somebody so down to earth and somebody who would have followed that ride every step of the way and kind of made his mistakes in following in it, trying to follow in his footsteps to some degree but always
having his heart in the right place really and being able to just show that today and over last week I think it was magical really and I'm glad that Andy Murray's career is able to rest now and be as it was and us to look back at it in that regard but to have just given us the reminder he managed to give us that reminder this week that everybody's been craving that reminder of what it was like watching him play tennis and and and so any and he achieved that.
There's also something desperately tragic about that reminder isn't it because he's reminded himself viscerally of what he's never going to have again. Yes he has and you saw that on his face the moment that the match was over he felt it in the previous round as well after that extraordinary bouncing come back when the two of them were pogoing in the in the middle of the court and then
suddenly he just he just sort of crumpled before your eyes and put his head on his in his hands and because he's acknowledging that it's it's over that he's looking back on his career in real time whilst he hasn't even finished it yet and and he's now got to try to come to terms with that but that was always going to be the case one day and I think it'll be easier to come to terms with
now that he's at least had some more moments. Matt it was as much as it on paper just doesn't somehow feel right that Tommy Paul and Taylor Fritz and it ended Andy Murray's career I don't I don't know what what personnel would have felt right in that role but certainly Tommy Paul
and Taylor Fritz didn't feel right but the match was kind of fitting wasn't it because tennis wise they were soundly beaten like frankly tennis wise they haven't really had it all tournament you know he's he's been down and out on the on the tennis front for quite a long time it's the fighting
spirit that's kept them in it it's the fighting spirit that created anything exciting a tool from that match because up until the point when the Americans tried to serve it out for the first time it was flat and it was disappointing and it was it was actually quite a tough watch and it's it's the fighting spirit that's definitive for Andy Murray I think and it's what he will have on his deathbed. Gosh that's a that's a tough first contribution to this podcast for me
isn't it follow the words deathbed. Well it's like what you said on on our Olympics preview pod about Andy Murray turning the the pin collecting thing into a competition like he's never going to not do that is he in every aspect of his life he can't really play professional tennis anymore but he can turn collecting Olympic pins into a life or death competition. I am fully expecting him to stay in the Olympic village and keep collecting those pins over the
next 10 days or so. He got the lichtenstein guys pin there's only one lichtenstein Olympian there's one it's one bloke the whole of the lichtenstein Olympic representation in Andy Murray
got his pin. Excellent so he's won something. That guy from lichtenstein understood the assignment that Andy Murray needs all the pins and look I think what you say there about you know maybe the match not being fitting and it being against Tommy Paul and Taylor for it's like I've had this working theory for a while that Hubert Hurkatch was the big three big four grim reaper but actually if you think about it it's it's slightly obscure American doubles teams isn't it because
who was it? Socken Tiafo against Federer Leverkarp here it was Paul and for it's and we had Craig check and Ram beating Raffa Nadell the other day which I'm sure we're going to get onto like who is going to end no bad Yokeovich's career like some I don't know McKenzie McDonnell and
Brandon Nakashima or team up or something and then it's like okay we know it's the end but gosh I'm so sad like I think David what you've said there is is so right like his career can rest now but like at the same time I just wanted to watch Andy Murray getting himself out of
improbable holes forever like I've had so much fun watching Andy Murray over the last 15 20 years and that was all wrapped up in in what he did this week I think it was so fitting that it took like nine match points for Andy Murray's career to finally be over at
this Olympics because it feels like he's staved off retirement about nine times over the last few years and yeah so that fighting spirit was absolutely there and what you say about like how how he got a reminder of what he's going to be missing like I went to see Bruce Springsteen
twice last week and he introduces a song saying that grief is the price you pay for having loved so much and I feel like that's what Andy Murray is experiencing now like it's hard for him to retire because he's got so much out of his career and he's loved it so much it's been so special to him and saying goodbye to it is really hard and in a way it's kind of a celebration of just how special and transcendent and legendary his career has been.
Absolutely yeah just as he says I'd play forever if I could I feel the same that I would watch him do Andy Murray things forever if I could and yeah you're right the nine match points saved is totally fitting it makes me think of that moment at 4 30 in the morning
whatever it was I think might even have been a bit later than that when he beat the Nazi cock and arcus in Melbourne from two sets to love down in the most improbable absurd circumstances imaginable and he was informed in the encore interview which I can't quite believe actually happened
to be honest there was an encore interview at 5 a.m. what were we all doing and he was informed in that interview that he had broken the record of wins from two sets to love down at that point and he already knew he knew he knew while he was doing it and I think that you know he doesn't have
the slams of his three greatest rivals but I think a record like that means as much to Andy Murray is is an awful lot of other achievements would because it's so definitively him and we'll miss it we will miss it dreadfully and yeah avoid those American doubles teams the the ultimate vibe killers
honestly my anger at the party pooping of American doubles teams this week Rajeev Ram and Austin grig check come on they were pretty good they weren't they they were bloody good come on they were really I mean I didn't have to win do you do you think even their families wanted them to win
I mean I thought they were I thought they were they were great and they're lovely bloats of interviewed Rajeev Ram lots of times I'm obviously exaggerating for comic effect but I also was extremely pissed off with them and actually you know where the first sort of dozen games of
that match tonight I definitely thought that Tommy Paul and Taylor Fritz were hitting the ball and then going to each other they've never seen my pace because the what the speed of their shots versus Evans and Murray they were playing a different sport they were playing a different generation
of the guy I mean I did it did make me think geez you know one of these bloats has been playing against Carlos Alcara's today and has got his eye and against him and the other two well one of them's won about four matches all year and the other ones got a metal hip and is you know nearly 40 and the fact that they even made it competitive in the mid stage in that second set was astonishing to me and it was like let's just turn this into mayhem was basically the tactic and anyway it wasn't too
far off turn it around and I mean I suppose in it in a different way it was kind of similar with with Alcara's and and the Dalagans cry chicken Ram because they were just a perfectly oiled doubles machine up against these these two guys that totally opposite ends of the career with
masses of talent and ability at hitting a tennis ball that Ram or cry chick will never know but watching that watching them overcome their nerves in that final game when the whole crowd was coming and the Dow was almost trying to get him to double fault so it was something else
it's a weird thing that a door has closed on Carlos Alcara's because you know he's defined at this stage of his career by infinite possibility and the whole road ahead of him you know being so young and so good so young but you'll never have the chance to play doubles with Carlos Alcara's
and at Olympics again and I find that really sad that that that joy is over forever and I know it's right that it's over because Carlos Alcara's is not very good at doubles that is an undeniable fact but I'm sad because it was so much fun oh it really was and
it's interesting you're saying about how a door's been closed and he won't get that opportunity again that I suddenly had a reminder to the day that Roger Federer retired and I remember on that day thinking wow we're never going to see Federer against Alcara's because at
that point Alcara's had just won the US Open and he talked about how much Federer was a kind of hero for him and yeah like I'm glad that he at least got this this week like you know it was kind of fanciful a year ago wasn't it all what if Alcara's in the dial plays together at the
Olympics but it actually happened and they won a couple of matches and it was electric and yeah like I was I had a Spanish interview with Nadal lined up yesterday and paused on one of my many screens and I was just waiting for all the action to finish because my Spanish is not good enough
to be able to multitask listening to an interview and actually understanding what's being said while also watching seven other sports as I'm spending my days doing a vingsh I got to listen to it and I was expecting a lot of emotion and actually it was just this very Nadal-esque logical breakdown
of the match and I thought in no way it was kind of so fitting like of course Nadal was going to talk about it he was so serious and talk about it in tennis terms like we did not manage to impose our game on them and they were they were playing the points how they wanted to play and they were
getting too many three points on serve that was Nadal's post match analysis you know to to Alex's correcture and you could kind of see Alcara's just sort of standing next to him and I suppose learning and yeah but I lost a I lost a baseline rally to Rajiv Ram I think that's where
it all went wrong yeah multiple times yeah over and over again yeah yeah if I'm Rajiv Ram I'm definitely showing that to my family for the rest of my life yeah I'm bum bummed about it but I'll try and find a way to be pumped for the gold medal match between Rajiv Ram and Austin Crycheck
and either Tommy Paul and Taylor for its all Matt Ebtan and John Peers that match to be played tomorrow so could be an all-American gold medal match both all of those teams will play again because of course whichever of Fritz and Paul and Ebtan and Peers lose that semi-final will play
off for a bronze medal against Thomas Mahatch and what's Pavlovichek's first name Adam I believe Adam yeah I wasn't expecting that against Thomas Mahatch and Adam Pavlovichek which means Thomas Mahatch is on for the on for the double with his with his ex-girlfriend
well come on to that later they might be back together okay no I don't want to wait till later tell me everything is it Siddosa's situation or a Reena Moratogli situation come on Spirited well there was there was a piece in Clay tennis today and interviewing them both and
talking about how good the vibes are no mention of a breakup only a mention that they're professional and not sleeping together this week because they're in in separate apartments in the village so I think they're still together they're just having a week's break from sleeping together that's
that's lovely an Olympic story if ever there was one okay we'll we'll circle back to the doubles we'll take a brief hiatus from that and head to Singlesland because report a reportage on the various aggro that we have had this week cannot wait a moment longer first of all the headlines egoschiote today beaten at Roland Garros in straight sets by Junchin when 6275 meaning that Junchin when will play Dono Vechich for the gold medal on Saturday I think all the the gold medal matches on Saturday
isn't it and it means that egoschiote will play anacarolean ishmedeliver for the bronze medal anacarolean ishmedeliver having just moments ago been beaten quite handly by Dono Vechich in that semi-final now the kind of the tracking of this situation goes all the way back to Junchin when's
match too much as ago against eminivaro when there was big time I grow at the net egoschiote experiencing big time aggro against daniel collins in her quarter final so egoschiote will still have the chance to salvage a medal from this Olympic Games whether she's able to do so I mean
obviously on paper heavy heavy favorite against anacarolean ishmedeliver whether she's able to regroup from what she experienced today which I think was was really quite traumatic actually is another question this is a second consecutive Olympics now which is ended quite literally
in tears it was I mean it was a stunning performance by Junchin when mentally and physically and technically I will always feel a bit harder my mouth when I'm watching it because it can be so good but it does feel like quite a high-wire act Junchin when's technique but she was just right in the zone today and it was a messy messy match and egoschiote does not like mess it was it was egoschiote at her most stressed and fraught and uncomfortable today David yeah it was and I think that whenever
we've talked about her I've referenced how I feel like she's she's on the brink a lot of the time on a knife edge that could go either way and and virtually all the time at running garage she's the right side of it where she's her her reactions are heightened and everything's just where it
needs to be to produce almost the perfect tennis but she has another mode which when she flips over to the other side we've seen it Wimbledon probably more we saw it at that Olympics three years ago and I think we saw it again this week where it ends up becoming stress and it ends up becoming
a negative thing and and actually taking away detracting from her performance is rather than elevating them that X that X amount that they do at the French Open and and actually when you think of the the accumulation the cumulative effect of of that Olympics three years ago and it's it
it's difficult to know exactly what's happened here because we don't get to go to press conferences with her and talk to her when I sometimes feel like when you're able to look somebody in the eye and talk to them and hear their their answers all the way through you get a sense for what's
going on with them and and in this particular instance we have an opportunity to do that but when I look at the Olympics for three years ago and then the the kind of fallout she's had with Daniel Collins in the previous round and she's got through the match but it's been the whole thing made
me feel quite uncomfortable as an onlooker you know we'll we can talk about the details of that and then today you know she's she's she's come up against a very very good player in Junction when he was playing pretty much at the peak of her powers and and I agree with you that higher
wire act of her own that she managed to just get bang on today and it was it was too much for Fish Real and Tech and then we've seen this interview she did on Euro Sport with a with a Believer Czech reporter and and and she's she's had to pull away in tears and and I understand
why it means so much and you're just you're just so exposed aren't you in in this arena and the whole thing has made me feel quite unsettled watching Eager Shvern Tech this week and I I do feel for her yeah okay we should probably track back to the Daniel Collins match and recap everything that we
saw there because I do think look we'll never will never know but I suspect that there was some kind of hangover or impact from that on Eager Shvern Tech's demeanor today her her unsettlement so Matt you watched I think pretty much every point of the the Collins Shvern Tech match could you give us a little recap?
yeah so Shvern Tech won the first set very comfortably is looking great probably the best set she played all tournament I would say given the caliber of opponent but in the second set things change and Daniel Collins really starts imposing her game and flattening out her backhand and
building a lead and winning that set pretty comfortably herself and at the end of the second set Shvern Tech goes for a bathroom break which I believe turned out to be nine minutes long it was a very long break between sets and when she came back you could tell that I think Collins was
was a little bit annoyed about that and the and the opening stages of that final set were were pretty intense there was a moment where Collins had a had a short backhand and you know I think pretty legitimately hit it straight up the middle of the court and it hit Eager Shvern Tech full
body shot and Shvern Tech was you know quite sore I think for a moment there and Collins you know did did sort of check that she was okay and there was just this simmering tension and Shvern Tech does have a tendency to do a few things on the court which some people will interpret as
gamesmanship and I think mostly I'm talking about how she's constantly putting her her rack it up to sort of slow the server down when she's returning and she was doing that quite a lot during this match and Collins at one point called her out on it and said that there's nobody behind me you
got to play to the speed of the server and look Shvern Tech does it when she's winning she does it when she's losing it is something that she does personally I think it's up to the umpires to be kind of clamping down on that a little bit more but there's no doubt that I think it did annoy
Collins in this match but post body shot Shvern Tech was an absolutely awesome site and a match that seemed like it might be going in Collins's favour suddenly went back into Shvern Tech's favour and she started playing brilliantly and built a lead in that third set and unfortunately Collins
ended up having to have a medical timeout for an issue with her stomach I think and then ended up retiring I think it was four one down in that third set and when she retired she went to shake Shvern Tech's hand and there was an exchange that again looked very tense and drawn out and
Collins clearly said something to Shvern Tech that honestly stopped Shvern Tech in her track she her face expression totally changed and she just stood there pretty stunned and pretty shocked and we don't know exactly what was said but Christopher Clary reported afterwards
um that Collins said quote I told Ega she didn't have to be insincere about my injury there's a lot that happens on camera and there are lots of people with a ton of charisma and come out and a one way on camera and another way in the locker room and I just haven't had
the best experience and I don't feel like anybody needs to be insincere they can be the way that they are I can accept that and I don't need the fakeness which honestly when I saw that quote look we've we've championed Daniel Collins a lot on this podcast over the years and this year in
particular I didn't love that that that that seems a bit misty and a bit misjudged to have had that exchange with Ega Shvern Tech quite so sort of publicly on the court like that and I just don't really know what she was expecting Ega Shvern Tech to do in that situation like
I think Ega Shvern Tech was confused and genuinely kind of concern that Collins had had to retire kind of on the spot like that and it didn't strike me that this was necessarily to do with those previous sort of irritations that Collins had had with Shvern Tech through the match it seemed
to be a specific thing that she didn't like the way that Shvern Tech reacted to her injury and I didn't really feel like Shvern Tech had done anything wrong in that moment and I think she felt quite um quite uncomfortable the way that Collins had sort of done that in that moment after the
match and it was all just a big yeah incident and it did sort of leave a cloud over Shvern Tech's tournament going into this match today of a high profile semi-final and she came out unsettled and we don't know the reasons for that it could be this it could just be the pressure of the
Olympics and you know tennis players are so good at normally saying oh well there's another week and there's another tournament to come and normally there is like normally there is another grand slam around the corner but there's not another Olympics for another four years and
there's never going to be another Olympics in E.G. Shvern Tech's career at her favorite place on her favorite surface this was a huge chance and I think there was just this build-up of pressure throughout the week and I agree like I'm always sort of self-examining a bit when I talk about
E.G. Shvern Tech because I feel like maybe I'm occasionally too critical like she has one five slam she's had over a hundred weeks at world number one she's countless masters 1,000 titles that she's won like she's had an amazing career and yet I sometimes feel like I have these doubts
about her and that sometimes feels like it's unfair but then you do get these performances like this where you see the stress and you see that she can be vulnerable and it just goes to show how well she's done I think to win as much as she has already but yeah like David's spoken about the
pressure that that she feels on court I find it interesting how how it affects her game like to me it's a little bit similar and I'm sorry for the very English reference here but it's a little bit similar to the kind of the conversation around Phil phone and England like he he can play so
well for Man City because he's like in a in a system that suits him now he's been so trained to play that way I feel like she's been so heavily coached now to be ultra aggressive kind of all the time she's slightly lost sight of the fact that she's got tremendous foot speed and she can
play with a lot of margin like she doesn't need to go for it all the time she can reign it in she used to have more variety that we don't really see and a lot of these losses in pressure stressful situations look the same they look like she's hitting out and missing by big margins and
panic panic yeah and you sort of just want to say you've still got so much in your game that you can use and she doesn't fall back on it quite so much and it is fascinating and she's got way better at it like she hasn't been having as many of these uh sort of matches she's been
battling through so many tough moments she's having an incredible year but we did see that again today and I do think the context of her match against Collins is important and the context of just the Olympics and the and the different pressure that there is representing your country
yeah I feel the same about the Daniel Collins incident when I originally saw that conversation um that they had that Daniel Collin that stopped uh E. G. Shwantech in her tracks at the end of the match before hearing Daniel Collins explanation of what was said I assumed it was about
E. G. Shwantech doing the thing where she holds up the racket just as her opponent is about to serve which is something she does and it is something that some players do do and it was getting on Daniel Collins nerves and she probably said I think that's fair enough I do think the umpire should clamp
down on that more the rule is that you play at the service pace um I mean I think it's on the umpire is to just police it better but I totally understand Daniel Collins irritation with that I even if it had been about that I still don't think tackling it in that way was the right thing to do
but I was really really thrown off guard by Daniel Collins explanation of what she was talking about to E. G. Shwantech there and I know like you I am the the biggest praiser of Daniel Collins authenticity and the fact that she doesn't bother with the sort of faux apology if you get a
lucky netcord or whatever she's totally authentic and that is something I find magnetic about her but I don't love the thought of her going around policing other people's authenticity and certainly not addressing it in the way that she did there so publicly so startlingly I mean even if she even
if there was something legitimately to address that's definitely one for the locker room and I know that emotions are heightened and all of that but it just I agree with you Matt it didn't didn't feel quite right to me um but equally I was a bit shaken by how potentially affected by it
E. G. Shwantech seemed to be today it's exactly as you said the panic in her the just looking totally lost and lacking in trust in herself is a really tough thing to see and I I worry about her coming back out to to regroup for a bronze medal match on one hand maybe
it's great usually you lose in a tennis tournament you don't have the chance to go away with the winning feeling and to to put things right she has that now whether it's what she feels like doing I don't know I do feel like if she could win it it would do the world a good to get over this and
to be able to move on with with some some happiness I mean there's that conversation we've had before about winning bronze is better than winning silver because you you leave having won a big match and you've got that feeling of triumph I stand by it David if you see in the Chinese gymnasts on the silver place podium this but but I but I totally agree with you about it.
It totally proves my point you know I and particularly you know maybe more in tennis and the ones where you have to play a specific match in order to get a bronze or nothing I feel like that really does work as a as a kind of feeling for somebody as a consolation. You should look up the the Chinese gymnast Zhang Behang's face clutching the silver medal on the podium in particular in
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Warby Parker dot com slash covered. So that's the shriom tech of it all moving on to the jun chin when if at all she had had her own episode of immense drama and aggro earlier in the week she'd beaten and ended the career of Angelique Kerber in her previous match the match before that she narrowly
beat Emma Navarro in what looked like a competitive but not hugely remarkable match at the time until footage and transcript of the in exchange that they had at the net started circulating and then it suddenly became incredibly noteworthy at Matt aggro correspondent what was said.
Well this was all really confusing to be honest because nothing seemed to happen during the match to actually spark you know aggro watch I don't think anyone was on aggro watch there was a there was a handshake that was a bit tense at the end and you know they they were clearly some words said but
it wasn't clear that that was like oh god these two these two don't you know can't stand each other and then these these quotes came out I think first from Navarro saying I just told her I didn't respect her as a competitor I think she goes about these things in a pretty cutthroat way it makes
for a locker room that doesn't have a lot of camaraderie so it's tough to face an opponent like that who I don't really respect but kudos to her she played good tennis there at the end she played there as a and that's the best bit and then but kudos to her she is an absolute bitch but kudos to her
it's extraordinary and then and then she when says she told me she doesn't know how I have a lot of fans it looks like she's not happy with my behavior towards her if she's not happy about my behavior she can come and tell me I would like to correct it to become a better player and a better
person and this is the kicker I'm glad that she told me that I will not consider it in an attack because she lost the match and again don't with that so well because her character has been absolutely taken apart by emnovaro there yeah with no evidence whatsoever like if you're going
to attack someone's character like that you've got to be bringing receipts proves time and I'm screenshots like yeah what what is in the water in that us team this week like I mean I sort of love it like it's a great reality show kind of I but I really didn't think that was old
from emnovaro like just attacking someone's character like that to do and to do it publicly and she could have she could have said when asked about it look I'd rather keep that between between us but no to just bring that out there and not not bring receipts is is really really poor I think
maybe she's right I've no idea I've never heard anybody cost his versions on Junction when's character before but nice nice diversion retactic from the fact that they've won zero medals between them isn't it the US women's team quite an elaborate diversion retactic
yeah that's what's it play I think sour grapes to be honest is is the general I mean I get it with Collins that she was I can see what she what she would have been irritated about I just totally disagree with a way about raising it Navaro it's difficult to say because because I didn't
see it all and and again we don't get to interrogate them which I would love to be able to do but bottom line is that they're all pissed off because they've won nothing but but could it's to her she she did win do you think Emma Navaro thinks that she should have more fans surely not
yeah I mean one of them's in a gold medal match and one of them isn't it has been a disaster for the US women hasn't it we should probably come on to talk about Coco Gough yeah and I think you know some people have been grouping the argument conversation interaction that Gough had with the
umpire in in her match in with the Collins and the for our instance that we've just talked about there personally I think that's a bit separate like so what happens is Coco Gough's playing Donna Vekic and Vekic has has come back from from a breakdown to win the first set and is up in the
second set as well and playing brilliantly you know doing doing all the things that she's done so well over the over the last month or so to have such good results but you know Gough is in a really tight spot here but the match is close it really is and there's one of those situations where
Vekic hits a ball which is called out by the line judge but it's determined it's actually in so therefore the umpire has a call to make over whether the line judge is called affected Gough's shot or not and Gough said yes it did and the umpire said no it didn't and Gough was very upset about
that call and particularly so because it has happened to her a number of times this year particularly on that call in the in the Frank show in semi-final there was one against Fiontech where that exact call happened and it went against her and replays showed that Gough was right and she felt
like oh my god here we go again this is happening again and I believe the replay ended up showing that the umpire was was right in this instance and the call had actually come quite a bit after Gough had hit the ball and hadn't affected her shot so you know I suppose in in that respect
well done to the umpire for getting the call right personally I didn't love the way he handled that exchange I didn't think he said anything that was particularly sort of helpful to kind of diffuse the situation and generally I just think that tennis needs a better system there for
dealing with that like we've got to be getting video replays because it is hard on the umpire it is hard on the players it's tough on everyone in that situation and I'm kind of astonished that it hasn't happened on a massive point in a big major final or something because it does happen
quite often those judgment calls and video replay would would definitely help clear things up um but personally I think you know I could understand Gough's reaction it was he to the moment she felt that things were going against her and they have done this year in that exact case and
look I didn't personally have a problem with the way that Gough reacted there I think she was trying to stand her ground she was upset and she did eventually move on and and the match played out and Fair played on a Vekitch as well because the crowd then started booing her and it was
absolutely not her fault and she managed to hold from love for it it was just a whole scene and in the end Vekitch came through him one very very impressively um but yeah Facts is Coco Gough has not had her game this tournament and yeah she entered three three events
kind of seeded to win medals in in all of them and it didn't even get to a medal match and I think the partnership with Pagula's kind of run out of juice it just feels like they needed the Olympics maybe a year 18 months ago and they were when they were playing a lot better together they've
not played as much Pagula's had injuries it just hasn't really been a great partnership for a little while now and Fritz probably not the ideal mixed doubles partner either and Fritz was in so many events and it's one of those things where you feel like you've got a lot of chances
to win a medal if you enter so many events but the shed you're so packed and one thing runs into another it can kind of all end up affecting and I just think it all slightly overwhelmed Gough it just seemed like she was constantly playing and having to bounce back from a loss and
you know it was just really really tough and no doubt disappointing that she's does she's not getting any medal of any colour here I would have thought that she would have been maybe one of the most likely players to win a medal given her prowess on clay and her her prowess
in singles and doubles so definitely disappointing and yeah like she's obviously got a home game coming up in in four years which I'm sure she'll be extremely excited about but it kind of ramps up the pressure a little bit for that as well doesn't it so yeah like
fascinating US women's tournament to be honest it's only Jessica Bagoula who's kind of stayed out of all the drama she was she was up watching Austin Craigcheck and Rajiv Ram in the in the top of the court Philip Shatchery I was staying out of trouble I think tennis was the the only
entity at fault in that Gough incident it's just pathetic of tennis that that a very solvable problem has been left unsolved for so long we have the technology we are literally showing the technology at home or certainly that that replay is available and it's not used if you want
to stick with the the manual line calling system or you just use electronic line calling and this is this is over this is done but there are solutions either way whether you believe in electronic line calling or not like there's just no excuse for this and I think I think I agree the umpire
kind of said he said a couple of different things didn't he said I am sure but then he also said I might be wrong but it's my decision which is absolutely true you know he might be wrong but it is his decision and that's that's the problem you need to eliminate umpires being in that
situation and players knowing that umpires are in that situation where it might be wrong on a crucial point and yeah I she did let it derail her but I understand why she felt that the emotion that she she so clearly felt in that moment Gough and then the supervisor comes on
who's supposedly meant to you know make the situation better and and she says that she hasn't even seen the incident and and Gough says what are you doing here if you if you're not even watching the match like come on yeah absolutely no good at all it was it was a bad moment for for tennis
absolutely um we should talk about Donna Vekitch though yeah I tell you what an apologies to Pam for this and uh indirectly Donna I did not see this coming I thought it would take her a while to regroup from Wimbledon quite frankly I thought there would be a hangover period
and I think maybe there would have been had the Olympics not come along I really think that the Olympics being so different and so refreshing and so novelty and so once every four years has enabled a Donna Vekitch slash Pam Shriver reset that we might not have seen had it just been
Washington or insert perfectly good but forgettable tour event here and I think it's incredible what she's doing after the utterly heartbreaking and draining way she lost at Wimbledon I think it's a wonderful story yeah it is and and you know there was a first of all I mean that that
win she had over Coco Gough in itself was was just fantastic really you know she's going toe-to-toe with her for a tie break set and then she she handles this really difficult situation when she's saying it's not my fault you know and and she's feeling so so sort of rattled by that and then
she races away and wins it she holds from she went you know she lost the next three points after that incident it went love 40 down still held still won the set six two then moves on and and I thought I watched last night and and really thought the way she was striking the ball at the
start that she was going to wipe the floor with Marta Kostya you know she went she went five love up she was looking good at the start of the second set and then suddenly Kostya found something in my word does she move about a court fast you know she was chasing down Donner's excellent drop
shots that caused damage against so many players and turning them round on Vekitch and basically nullifying that that shot all together and having to take it out of Vekitch is Arsenal really and and it was it was really only when Vekitch went back to brute power in the third set that she
managed to kind of get a a bit of traction in the match again but you know she was match points down in it in this match and and it felt very similar to that Jasmine Paulini third set dramatic tie break and and there was a moment I think at eight all when when Matt said oh no it's going
to be 10 eight again and she's going to lose 10 eight in the breaker again and and just and the thought did go through my mind just to imagine how damaging that could be psychologically to her going forwards because I remember seeing a Davis Cup tie in in UMAG in Croatia in 2014 when
Bretton went there and I was covering that and court side was a very young teenage Donner Vekitch in a Croatian football shirt and she she didn't move the whole match she just stayed there sitting next to her compatriot whose name I forget the other young Croatian player and and and and and they were cheering on Bourne a charit she was who was making his debut and and she she just was so clearly patriotic and and excited about her her nation in this in this match and cheer in a way
at every step of the way and I I remember thinking at the time just imagine if she had a big runner to a Billie Jean King Cup or a Fed Cup as it was then or or even better at an Olympics and to see her in yeah it probably it might even be a bigger match I think a bigger a bigger deal than the Wilton
Wimbledon this to to Donner Vekitch I don't know her person to be able to say I'm just basing on what I saw that day and and the way she sort of reacts to other Croatian sport sporting success now here she is in that situation with the whole country looking at her and cheering for
her and watching her and hanging on every hope and yet she handled this situation against Kostya Kuom afraid did blow an amazing opportunity I think herself and and and yet I felt she left the court with huge admiration certainly from me I was so I was I felt like my mum when she watched his
sport like that and went and it's just sad that somebody has to lose but Vekitch I felt like she deserved that one after the the heartbreak against Paulini and then you know she comes out to day and she's absolutely gone and taken it to her opponent today and knocked her off the court
6-4 I think 6-love and just as a massive thunderstorm cracked and broke at the end of the match she raised to get it done and yeah I was so thrilled for her for her and obviously for the great Pam Shriver who has just popped up on my screen hello can you hear me Pam we can
clear Pam oh my goodness well it wasn't as high thought if it was another match like yesterday that it might be the late great Pam Shriver but you know Donna let's face it she's learned so much about herself in the last six seven weeks and she knows that 28 is prime time and I'm thrilled
for her she's worked so hard for so many years and it's not over yet though she's got a you know regroup thank god she's finally as a day off tomorrow and you know the one you didn't you thought you were gonna face isn't there so you got her it's gonna be interesting so gonna play a little
golf now and then start scouting we'll let you go to golf Pam but just just just a couple of things things you have popped up on my screen yes no fire away what if what if you learned about her in these six or seven weeks okay so what I probably learned from my own thing is like if I have
some ideas and some concepts that I think are really important for Donna to embrace and the main example would say work on the mindset is that I've learned that I need to continue to press for her to have an open mindset about some new things and I feel like that's meant a huge difference for
Donna in the last bit of time is to really work on some things mentally that can help um he's always been a great warrior on the court and she's gone through adversity and whether it's injuries or within a match but he's learning some new skills and when you tie that into her tremendous
strengths as a ball striker and she's also like today I was so happy about the correction on the serve because she needed to lean on the serve and the free points and she got him today um because it couldn't become a physical match again in my opinion and it didn't so what I've learned I
guess most of all is that someone can develop new skills and become more open but you got to keep got to keep pushing it got to have a good coach just finally Pam because you've you've got a golf game to continue to perfect um Jun-chim win in the final I know she's not to be underestimated
at all she was awesome against eager shone today she's a grand slam finalist but in terms of that match up with Donna that's a hitting contest isn't it and and Donna's that's the kind of matchup that that Donna likes right she's okay in a hitting contest I'm having a hard time getting my brain
around saying anything um uh about this next match up um but I plan on just like I did with Shmeed Lova but it was such a quick turnaround I'm sorry I got a FedEx truck right behind me I apologize sorry I'm at the club and of course they're getting a delivery but um you know we're
gonna we're gonna Nick Nick's going to sleep he just called me that's her croat long time Croatian code he's been my partner for 21 months and um we're gonna we both agreed we're gonna enjoy it she doesn't have to play tomorrow and then we're gonna come up with a game plan
tomorrow but obviously I didn't even see one point of the schian tech match so I'm gonna go back and and watch that that'll be the start of my scouting later after golf and we don't worry we're gonna come up with a really good game plan and most of all we know that Donna has the ability and
the belief to win the gold and it's awesome to know that the worst it's gonna happen now is a silver the nightmare for me was thinking and I hope Donna didn't think about this was oh my god if you don't beat Schmidt Lovie then you got to go through schian tech to win a medal at rolling
heroes I mean that would be like a nightmare but thank god that anyway I'm going on and on this is my adrenaline coming out so I'll let you guys go because you have more important things to talk about than ask me questions golf then scouting Pam Shriver a woman with her priorities in order
thank you thank you hatt bujahandicap Pam I'm an 8.2 at the moment before children I got down to a three but you know after children it's it's been tough keeping it in single digits but I got it back down I don't know six months ago so thanks for asking a bit too good for us Matt
no I'm not you Pam would wipe the floor with us oh so I know this is a podcast but great hat Pam thank you thank you it's my it's my best golf hat thank you go and play your best golf bye bye bye Pam really didn't know that was gonna happen what an absolute joy
um I think you should have a good chance in that final I know Pam didn't want to you know I totally respect the enjoy the moment thing but I do I think she's got a good chance well well I think she's got a good chance too and and look you know there's a obviously we're
we're we're very open with Pam and she's very open with us and and we we have these great chats and but she will be so respectful of junction when both as a player and the professionalism side of things and there will be not a stone and turn I mean one thing Pam did do is just just
give us a little bit of an insight today into the the sort of detail she goes into when scouting an opponent and it was mind-boggling to me I I really didn't know that that that happened um and and it I can understand why Donna Vekitsch is it's been a bit of a light bulb
moment for her I mean I think Pam's right you know she's 28 like I said that 2014 Davis Cup tie that I went to you know she's just a teenager and she was promised she was always promising I didn't realize she was quite this good um and I think there have been certain snapshots
here and there where you've suddenly seen actually what she has in her hands in the way she can hit this drop shot this was years ago and the forehand that can be destructive but to see a package it all to put it all together she suddenly looks like it's really formidable opponent where there's
no real weakness maybe maybe she doesn't she doesn't move like Goff and Costure do but goodness made as she hit a big ball and and have touched two hands um and yeah she's right this is a real 50-50 contest I think with them both playing their best I just think Vekitsch's game will probably
prevent Gen from playing her best and I think that that will ultimately be what decides it and I think what Pam says there about how how Vekitsch has worked on the mindset so much like this has been an amazing period of Duna Vekitsch's career but it's also featured probably two of
the toughest losses of her career like that one at the French Open to Duna Vekitsch was brutal and she came back from it reached a final reach the Wimble and Semi's like an incredible bounce back and then that lost to Paulini as great as she was in that match there's a brutal way to finish
and she's immediately come back here like that's so impressive from Vekitsch and also speaks to the great people that she has around her like Pam and honestly like I've not seen Vekitsch play a bad match this tournament Jun Kim-wen stepped up massively against Yusha Yon-Tek she was very good
in that match I still think it was largely down to Yusha Yon-Tek not being anywhere close to her best like there was a lot of good things that Jun Kim-wen did but it was a ragged performance from Semi Yon-Tek I watched Jun Kim-wen against Ashley Kerber and Kerber in the final match of her career
very nearly mumbled her off the court and I think if Kerber had a bit more gas in the tank I think Kerber would have won that and it was very close against Emma Navarro as well like I think Vekitsch is kind of in the better form in a way which maybe seems like a weird thing to say considering
that Jun Kim-wen has just beaten Yusha Yon-Tek at Roland Garros but backing that up is not going to be easy for her either like that's the biggest win of her career and she's now got to play a gold medal match like she feels like Vekitsch is kind of timing this this run to perfection and
and I'm peaking at the right time and I'm so excited for that gold medal match it's it's there's two great stories either way it really really is yeah absolutely the men singles is at the semi final stage it'll be Lorenzo Mazzetti to play Novak Djokovic and it'll be Carlos
Alcaraz to play Felix Vajerlias scene that's crazy the Olympics like it takes us an hour to mention the names Novak Djokovic and Carlos Alcaraz and yet there's been so much happening yeah it's it's a bumper show tonight folks um should we start with Djokovic seeing as this is his
first mention of the show should we start with Djokovic's defeat of Sitsapas this evening and the surrounding physical saga of Novak Djokovic David yeah he he was worried tonight I mean again he came out playing beautifully he's he's since that win that he had against Sitsapas in the
final of the French Open when he was too says to love down I feel like pretty ever since then he's just he's never really been pushed by him he's never been bothered by him he's just knows exactly how to put him off balance and make him look a bit clumsy really and and he he won
that first set pretty straightforwardly I actually thought Sitsapas did the right thing because he he came out and he just started trying to annihilate the ball after a after a while as though there's just no point in playing my normal game against this guy because he makes me look a bit silly
and the way the way he just puts these suddenly off off-paced balls in and then I'm leaning the wrong way because I'm used to certain patterns and then next thing you know he's he's he's can and I didn't see all of this so I'm going to defer to Matt to explain it actually what
happened because I took a little bit of time away from that that match I think because the Murray doubles was starting and the next thing I know it's fall off I did see the second of the two breaks when it went to fall off for Sitsapas and I'm aware that Jockovitch is complaining about some
physical issues he's had pair Bastel the trainer onto the court he looks really quite stressed and afterwards he's he said that he was he's really worried because it felt like when he pulled when he tore his meniscus and he's reassured to some degree maybe that it stopped hurting but if
you think about it when he took painkillers at the French Open when he tore his meniscus it seemed to wear off and certainly enough for him to be able to actually go and win the match and he roared back into this one I think Sitsapas absolutely blew it he had three set points of 40 love
and he blew it he shanked two in a row and and and but also massively fair play to Jockovitch who just decided to hit out was middling everything and hitting winners but in terms of the actual what happened physically Matt this this happened when things were going great guns for Jockovitch
didn't it yeah exactly like it was the start of the second set I honestly don't know exactly what the moment was but it was the same thing as what happened against Surundale at the French Open where he's winning and suddenly he's in a lot of discomfort and I think whenever Jockovitch
starts showing signs of physical pain a lot of you know a lot of people start thinking oh here we go again kind of thing but he was he was winning this match there was absolutely no reason to start like suddenly faking an injury and just as there wasn't against Surundale either and yeah it feels
very similar to me like he he's got through the match he's managed to win it and and yet he's not moving at his best you know he's sometimes not even not even properly running in rallies but he's he's so good he can he can keep going and as you said Sitsapas very much let it let it slip really
three love up five three up three set points up mini break up in the tie break like he absolutely let that set go Sitsapas and I think it all it all reach of baggage oh massive it's got ishi massive which is just he's never going to get rid of that now he's he's only going to keep
accumulating yeah and I think it felt like illustration of the window having closed and I think there I think his record against Jockovitch is is is the perfect demonstration of that as David said he used to be close against Jockovitch he used to beat him he used to he used to trouble him and
I think he's lost what 10 in a row now something like that and like the gaps got wider between them as Jockovitch has moved towards 40 and Sitsapas has entered what kind of should be his prime and yeah like so there was that side to the match but in terms of the Jockovitch injury it was mostly
just the look on his face like he looked worried and he had the he had the trainer on and he was he was looking at the knee that he tore at the Frank show and it was the same knee I think he's worried and he said afterwards that he's going to have to see what it's like tomorrow which is
exactly what he said after the Surundalo match at Ronon Garros like this is a big concern for no bad Jockovitch even if it isn't a major injury and he's clearly done something and if the Wimbledon final taught us anything it's that he needs to be a 100% really to to play
Carlos Alcarez and I struggle to see how he is going to be at 100% this weekend and that's that's not even accounting for Lorenzo Mazzetti who he's got to get through as well like suddenly his tennis has looked really good I think this tournament Jockovitch he's been he's been hitting
the ball well in in no adjockovitch shocker but like the intensity's been there he's been doing a lot of good things but I'm worried about him physically for this weekend they're really am does he need to be physically 100% to beat Lorenzo Mazzetti I think it helps Mazzetti that this is
best of three David yes it's a that's a good question Catherine because I think if Mazzetti plays his best tennis then absolutely Jockovitch needs to be at his best to beat it I think because Mazzetti's best is now really really good and he showed that today in in disposing of Alexander's
Vera who may have been a bit physically depleted himself but even so he's handily beaten in in straight sets and Mazzetti's just turning up now time after time after time he looks like the professional that you kind of want him to be to go with this elaborate talent of his I do think
Jockovitch is in his head as well and he beat him in straight sets a Wimbledon when Jockovitch only just had surgery it's harder though on clay it's harder for him to do that this is where he hurt himself last time it's Mazzetti's favorite surface and I think he is growing in self belief
Mazzetti I think he's he's also inspired by representing Italy you know he was he was really sort of straiting around showing the the the Italian flag on his shirt to the camera after he beats Vera of today so I think Jock most likely Jockovitch needs to be playing well in really
well in this match to beat Mazzetti and if he does he will beat him because he's better than him he's better he's way better than him when he's at his absolute best I don't expect Mazzetti to throw in a shocker that's that's what I'm getting at I don't think he's going to be rubbish I think
he's going to be good whether he can handle the moment we'll we'll wait and find out whether he gets chance to you know get put in that position but given the question marks around Jockovitch right now and the fact that I do think Mazzetti will show up I think I think we've got a real
match on hands there and I'm starting to I'm not I'm not there but I'm just starting to trust Lorenzo Mazzetti a bit don't hurt me Lorenzo well he's reached the semi finals at least of every event he's played since the Frank show and I know the Frank show wasn't that long ago but he has
played quite a lot of events in that time and one of them was a grand slam and he's just beaten Zvarov he was awesome today so good the way he was using the drop shot against Zvarov so effectively coming up with big shots down the line at big moments and also bouncing back from adversity
now he served for the first set and lost it and then immediately broke back you know it was just really grown up signs I thought he was so impressive and actually I think we might be in a situation where his game is least effective on hard courts it makes so much sense on Clay and Gras his game
he can really use all his skillset but I don't know if he can quite impose that game and use the differences that he's got on hard court and that's such a long stretch of the season you know we get from like August to March which is basically all on hard courts it's going to be that's a big
next step I think from a zeti figuring out how to do a bit more damage on kind of the main surface of the tour but it's really working for him on Clay and Gras and he's tougher than he used to be he really is he came from Oomag where he'd reached the final and immediately comes out
and has to play all these matches in the Olympics and he's just constantly bringing it and I don't think he would have done that even a year ago so I'm really impressed and as David said I think he's got a big shot of beating Jocovic because there's definite concerns about Jocovic's knee
he looked worried to me okay the other semi-final will be Carlos Alcras against Felix Orje Alias C. Mancras beating Tommy Paul I feel like Carlos Alcras is always playing Tommy Paul played well Tommy Paul and didn't come away with a set probably very easily could have come away with
that second set I thought Alcras did well to avoid a three-setter there Felix Orje Alias scene beating Rude Casper Rude in three sets Rude now very much focused on trying to get tickets to watch the golf tomorrow he's got them he said he's got them okay good I was really worried
me too just yeah queue up like everybody else Casper sure sure you know yeah he tweeted at Olympics to inquire about he's an ability is inability to obtain a special athlete tickets to the golf a lot of people doing things in public this week they should probably do in private
just Felix Orje Alias C. Mancras any chance against Carlos Alcras I'd be surprised I mean I think he does have a chance because you still never know completely whether somebody's going to come out and be right you know and have their game on like Alcras sometimes doesn't have his game going
and Felix is playing pretty much at the top of his level right and the top of his level will ask questions of anybody now I still think the best of Carlos Alcras answers all of them and wins in straight sets but I don't again a bit like with with Mazzetti and Jacović but without the
same degree of question marks over Alcras I expect Felix Orje Alias C. Mancras to turn up and play well he's in a good groove he's a groove player and when he's in a good groove he's take he takes some shifting you know to to play against Casper Rude I insta I realized the roof was on and
that favors him indoor conditions but to beat Casper Rude at Roland Garros that takes him doing you know and it's not the first one he's he's put together a good run here to get to the semi-final he's beaten Alcras before the differences I just think Alcras now is more grown up than he was
when he used to throw in those performances so I'd be very surprised if he doesn't rise to the occasion himself whether whatever Orje Alias C. M. Whips up as a storm and ends up in the final I expect Alcras to win yeah I was I was quite worried on Alcras's behalf about his match today you
know against Paul who's troubled him before and coming off the back of the doubles loss with with Nadal you know I just wondered just how he would react to that you know but as you said Catherine that is better than me I think he did really well to win into and Orje Alias
seemed awesome today he he probably should have won that in straight sets against Casper Rude Casper Rude dug in and hung on and Orje Alias seemed it maybe slightly let that second set go but he got straight back on it in the third was dominating points with his forehand
I just don't think he's going to be able to do to Alcras what he was doing to Rude he was giving Rude the run around and no one really does that to Carlos Alcras and yeah I just I just have such belief in Alcras and I think he's come through the the tricky sort of emotional test today and
yeah I think he's I think he's a pretty big favourite those men semi finals will be tomorrow we have the women's doubles semi finals will be Mukava and Noscava against Irani and Paulini they are one win away oh sorry Irani one win away from an Olympic a guaranteed Olympic medal Saurarani is aiming to become the seventh woman ever to win the golden career slam in doubles she's won all four grand slams and she is trying to get the Olympic gold like she's a serious player Saurarani
despite that serve like it is a it is astonishing to me the results that she's had the other semi final be Christina Bukcher and Saurarani Sareba's tour mode against Mira and Draver and Diana Schneider and Draver's place in the women's doubles semi final rather proving that yes the problem was
Deniel Mepodev in the mixed doubles that they played I'm not sure we needed that confirmation that it's good to have it let me tell you the difference in her partners could not have been more stark because we discussed how bad Mepodev was Schneider was incredible today she's just
you know sometimes like a player can just take over a doubles match that's exactly what happened here she was awesome and Craig Gekerenciniakva were having bad days on their serve but Schneider was just dominating and and Draver was kind of going with it as well and yeah they're a they're a very
fun team and that's a it's a fun lineup because Mukava and Noskava beat Goff and Pagula and they also beat Sue A. Shea and her partner today in a in a match tie break which was a very fun one and I feel like Bukcher and Saurarani Sareba's tour mode just sort of gone through without anyone but
Reggie noticing like Reggie is living and dying by all of their matches but everyone's been talking about you know Alcarazan the Dahl and but this is the Spanish doubles team that actually has got a shot of a medal I think they've never lost together they're eight and oh Bukcher and Sareba's
tour mode together in doubles in the mix we hinted at it earlier it's Wong and Zhang against Thomas Mahatch and Katarina Siniakva who've taken a break from sleeping together and the bronze medal match will be Wesley Kuhlhoff and Demi Shurs against Felix Ojelia Sime
and Gabi Debrauski so Ojelia Sime could be in for a double medal week which would be quite something I have Andy Murray news will not really news just in but he's done some posting on Twitter he's changed his bio he's added two letters to his Twitter bio used to be I play tennis it is now
I played tennis and he's posted never even liked tennis anyway and apparently he's done an interview with the BBC where he said instead of going out on the lash he's going to go back to the Olympic Village and continue collecting pins of course he is so tennis player or not he's
going to keep being Andy Murray hello to our Olympic mascot Phoebe I had a Phoebe content dump in our Instagram inbox today and I loved it one photo is already up more will be drip fed over the coming days hello Phoebe hello to our mascots the dearly departed Darwin David Francis
hi there the predictions have been decimated somewhat haven't they I'm not sure it's gone particularly well for anybody Carlos R. Cruz is the only level of respectability for us really yes so Francis Hyder Soma apologies well how do you hang on if if Mahaksh and Sinear Kuhlhoff are
in the next gold I'm in for all kinds of points yeah okay that's annoying Billy Jean is sponsored by Billy Jean King who's been having him right old time at the Olympics this week and Alana Klaus hello to our top folks and executive producers Chris Greg Jamie and Jeff and Matt
time for some more Olympic shout outs we have Andy Thorpe in Lafpera how perfect like Andy Murray the former tennis player oh Jeffty sorry thanks Andy he in every way he went to the University of Lafper David like you my David law and Thorpe like I know it's not tennis but Ian Thorpe a great
Olympian he had big feet like me he thought I think most swimmers have quite big feet David no wonder I'm so good at it another hidden skill of David we didn't know about thank you Andy whereas I went swimming this morning and the pool was was just too shallow I just couldn't just
couldn't swim my best that's my new excuse now that's what they were saying about the pool at the Olympics it's too shallow yes it's they keep saying it's a slow pool yeah because it's too shallow I do it I do accept that because you're experts but also what on earth you want about oh I've been
deep diving there's there's too much to be able to prepare me I did yeah is this an Olympic inspiration thing no it's say it's a running injury alternative thing I like when I was on crutches and my mum had to drive up to London to take me to the swimming pool once a week
that was a great thing not a fast swimming isn't it I love swimming but it is so much I suppose you don't you don't have the hair fat that I have but still it's not well there with your short hair now delete dealing with wet chlorine e-clothes yeah what was your new haircut yeah with your new hair Catherine the joke is that I had my severe haircut nine months ago and I'm still getting compliments on my new haircuts on a daily basis and we are wondering if we can make it a year with
me still getting compliments on my new haircut better than insults I wonder when the insults start yeah thank you Andy we've also got Laura pagan heart in Berlin all right Laura like Laura rubsan Andy Murray's
silver medal winning partner at London 2012 very good and Laura says that she fell in love with tennis properly when she spent the summer of 2013 working in London and experienced the city when Andy Murray won Wimbledon for the first time the the way the whole city sort of went quiet during the
final is one of my favorite memories of that summer she says are these totally random shoutouts Matt yes I promised the last one has has nothing to do with Andy Murray the Catherine will find something that's lovely thank you okay so the pressure is on to find an Andy Murray link for our last
shout out okay I'm ready okay we have Tom leech in Sydney well Andy Murray reached the final of Sydney lost a wise land carats of a couple of years ago very good and today lost to Tommy Paul oh very good yep very good yeah nothing gets passed Catherine and me man don't try it what did
you know about Tom Tom recently became a friend of the pod as a birthday gift from his best friends and fellow tennis fans Matt and Sarah so lovely and they have a tennis WhatsApp group and in fact Tom I think wrote this little blurb in May and says that he was going to roll on garage for the first
time to watch the Olympics so I hope you've had a great time Tom well he might have watched Andy Murray play at the Olympics which would be another Andy Murray connection apparently Andy Murray and Tom daily have been spending a lot of time together at the Olympic Village that's what I've
learned from googling the words Andy Murray Tom so there you go thank you Tom thank you Andy and thank you Laura and thank you Andy Murray see you Monday neat new glasses or want a fresh new style Warby Parker has you covered glasses started just 95
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