Live from Wimbledon Day 8 - Dimitrov's devastation, Sinner's uncertainty

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Hello and welcome to the tennis podcast live from Wimbledon on day eight of the championships. An absolute emotional... rollercoaster of a day and in particular of an evening here at SW19, culminating in some pretty harrowing scenes involving Grigor Dimitrov on Centre Court, but then buoyed again by the scenes up here on the roof of Reggie getting...

a selfie with Roger Federer the most iconic selfie you've ever seen we've got a crowd over there cheering our spirits and we needed them we needed that didn't we because it's It's been a tough couple of hours over here, hasn't it? Yeah, it has. We've just, along I'm sure with all of you...

Yeah, we love you too, Reggie. We have, along I'm sure with all of you, just sat through Grigor Dimitrov going two sets of love up against the world number one, Yannick Sinner, playing absolutely out of his mind, playing as we know he can, and really... having Yannick Sinner in big trouble and within the space of 30 seconds having his dreams dashed by what looks like a torn pectoral muscle. That is as sad a scene as I've seen on Centre Court. Matt? Yeah.

Brutal. One of the most brutal things I've ever seen on a sports, in sport, to be honest. He's out playing Yannick Sinner. who himself had a little injury concern, which I'm sure we'll talk about. But Grigor Dimitrov is playing so well.

and then he's serving at 2-1 in the third set, and at 40-love he serves and comes in, hits a volley, misses the volley, and... clutches his armpit his sort of right armpit and peck area but you know didn't really think too much of it He then serves from the deuce side at 40.15 and hits a, I think, 96-mile-an-hour ace out wide, wins the game. And that was the final point of the match because, as Dave has described, we think he's torn his pec muscle and he...

clutched it again, clearly in a lot of pain, and sat down on the court. And the concern for everyone was immediate. Yannick Sinner came across the net. The physio or medic, a couple of people came on to just sort of sit with him and they eventually sort of helped him over to the chair. And then he said, can I have two minutes off court? And he went off court. for those two minutes and he came back and just shook his head and he was in tears and his face was red and the match was done.

It was awful. I don't really have the words. It was such a sad scene for a guy who's now retired in five consecutive Grand Slam tournaments. Four had never happened, I don't think. It's just absolutely awful. I'm in shock, to be honest.

Yeah, I really, really feel for Gryor Limitrov. And there's something particularly poignant about it being... the guy that has been defined by his physical prowess for large parts of his career that for us David is defined by his youth like he'll always be the 18 year old I know this is very much like making it about us but He will always be that 18-year-old that we were partly responsible for over-hyping and getting on board the baby-fed train and all of that.

Seeing him be a 34-year-old man retiring in five consecutive Grand Slams with different injuries in the manor this evening, it hits particularly hard. Well, in the press conference I went to... A couple of nights ago I asked him how you go into matches now believing that that won't happen because you can't carry that around in your head. You can't play the sort of freewheeling tennis he played tonight.

If you're going to beat Yannick Sinner, a guy as good as he is and as young as he is and at the peak of his powers and as seemingly impenetrable as he is, you have to let it all go. You have to let it all fly. And whatever he did to get himself in that headspace, he managed it because he let it fly today.

And doing that and playing to the peak of his powers got him to two sets to love. Sure, I accept that Yannick Sinner might not have been at his best. I accept that he may have been compromised a little physically because he took a nasty fall too. But I don't think that that's...

the reason that it was two sets to love i think this was grigor dimitrov playing the way that he can and when i say and i you know there's a bit of humor in it when i repeatedly say you just never know it's because you just never know in sport what is coming next when these players are playing at the peak of their powers or at the limits of their bodies and I'm afraid you also just never know

We're not in the mood. It doesn't feel right. No. We'll just let you do your thing, Johnny. No. Sort of. Some of it. Appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. But the thing is, you never know when your body's going to give out in a match. These are all things that contribute to sport being what it is.

But I'm sorry to say, and this won't help, but you also never know when it's too late in your career. And when you talk about... the youth that we remember from Grigor Dimitrov, a question that I have in my mind that one day I want to ask him, and which I... I wouldn't dream of asking him on a night like tonight, and it'll seem cruel to ask him, but it's the question that's in my head, is what would have happened if this Grigor Dimitrov...

head and approach and professionalism and understanding of his own game was on that 24 year old's body and not on that 34 year old's body because I can't imagine how much more he might have done. And look, that's life. But isn't that an if-if does not exist? We are the people we are. Our minds are just as much a... a part of who we are at what we do for tennis players is their arms, their forehand, their backhand. He is who he is. I accept. It's not meant to be critical of him, but it's...

It goes with my view of what if is a thing, I think, in your career and in your assessment of somebody. That's why someone like Yannick Sinner is so extraordinary to me, is that he's already there. He's already there in his mind. to how to maximise at the age of 19. Not everybody is, and like I say, I'm not criticising Gregor Dimitrov for that, but I can't help in myself think, you know, just imagine if his body was what it used to be.

given that now he's finally cracked it with his game and with his approach. On that thing of him...

you know, letting it fly and pushing his game and his kind of body to the limit to be able to do what he did do tonight for two sets. While I was watching this, something that struck me was not seeing Gregor Dimitrov. serve like that very often in terms of the pace that he was up at he was he was regularly up at 140 miles an hour that's big serving from Grigor Dimitrov and

I just wonder whether he was stretching himself beyond the limit that he had. And then also, you know, like... I don't want to speculate too much but The roof closing and having to go off court and then coming back on and maybe getting a little bit cold and then coming back out and continuing to serve like that. I wonder whether that was maybe a potential factor in kind of... in kind of what happened here um yeah but absolutely absolutely brutal um i'm pretty stunned to be honest

Did you feel, David, that he was going to go on and win this match? I was... I'd say I was about 50-50, even though he was too zest to love up. I think... that, look, he's having to redline this, and I think at some point Yannick Sinner gets back into it. That's the big question mark, is what happens... If Yannick Sinner starts to get back into it, i.e. gets a break, he kept holding him off. Was he going to run out of time, Sinner?

That was the big question mark. I sort of thought before the end of that third set, at some point, Sin is going to break and make it a contest. And then can Dimitrov cope with the comeback? And so I was 50-50. Well, what was interesting is that Sinner did get the break back in the second set. You know, he was down and then he got the break back and he let out this enormous roar, the kind of roar that you don't really see Yannick Sinner make. And then...

He just lost his serve again. He put in a really poor performance in the very next game to lose his serve. And then Dimitrov serving out the second set. Sinner missed an easy second serve return at one point. Those sorts of moments kind of made me think that Dimitrov might do this because there was a moment in the second set where Sinner got it back and he still didn't get over the line. Dimitrov still held him off.

The fall that Sinnoh took was in the first game of the match. The very first game of the match, he came out middling the ball, Sinnoh. I mean, honestly, I thought, gosh, if he keeps this up... this is going to be a short match because he was just awesome in the first couple of points. And then Dimitrov got him out wide and he went out to his backhand side and fell over. It was a heavy fall. It was one where everyone gasped. You know, like...

wow, that was a heavy fall, but he got up. He got up straight away and... Honestly, in the moment, I didn't think elbow. I thought maybe he'd landed on his knee or landed on his hip or something. But it did become apparent as the set and the match went on that he was clutching his elbow, his forearm. um

And then eventually he got the medical time out on that. He had a bit of treatment on it, a bit of sort of manipulation. And he was talking about it affecting him on the serve and when he was sort of really unleashing on powerful ground strokes. And he did seem a little bit... whether it was purely physically or maybe he was just distracted by it.

I don't really know. We obviously haven't had his press conference yet. It'll be interesting to see what he says about his prospects going forward in this tournament. But, yeah, these courts are hard. I know it's grass, but they are hard when you fall on them. He didn't fall on his elbow, but he hit his elbow on the ground. And I can imagine that it did rock him a little bit. And it was definitely a factor in the match. It reminded me of figure skating falls I used to take where you...

You use your forearm to brace yourself so the rest of your body doesn't take a clattering. I used to have constant bruising down that part of my arm, and it's incredibly painful. It's a really, really sore part of your body. body to to hit and it could could just be that it was just really really painful and affected him that way and it isn't necessarily a

bigger picture problem. We don't know and maybe now that he's ended up progressing through that match he won't give us a fully honest answer about what is going on there because he's got his future in this tournament too.

to think about. I mean, it's just such a sliding doors situation. It's really difficult to analyse this match without talking about hypotheticals that... that seems so completely pointless. We need to talk about Yannick Sinner and what this means and the fact that he's still in the tournament. But what a weird situation for him to be standing there on centre court doing a post-match interview.

having technically just won a tennis match, but he was two sets to love down. Yeah, I can't remember one like that, personally. We were just... name drop of alert we were just chatting with Tim Henman over here and reminiscing about And cameraman Matthew managed to actually get this right by remembering that it was 1999 when Mark Filipousis was a set-up against Pete Sampras and hurt his knee, and his knee gave out.

And the winner was going to face Henman. And Henman ended up losing in four sets to Sampras. Won the first set, I think, against him that day. Turns out you remember all this a lot more clearly than Tim Henman does. Turns out I did. Tim was like, yeah, 98? No, not 98. Matthew was heckling. You don't remember. You remember it more clearly than Tim Henman and Matthew remembers it more clearly than you. Yes, you remember the exact year. I thought it was 2000, but I mean...

Kings of the noughties there. You know, Philippus was absolutely sensational for a set against a guy who was the defending champion, who'd won four of the last five editions, and he was dominating Sampras. and then suddenly his knee gives out, and he's probably never the same again. And that's the closest I can remember, really, to something quite like this. Yeah, because the other precedents for players retiring when they're two sets to love up...

This is from Jeusette et Mattes on Twitter, one of my favourite accounts. And this is the fourth example in the open era where a player has retired from two sets up at a slam. The others were Belkin against Govan in 1969 at Roland Garros.

Paul-Henri Mathieu against Vadasco at the Australian Open in 2007, and Steve Darcy against Florence Serra at the Australian Open in 2012. So, you know, the sort of beneficiaries of the... retirements there are not someone who was potentially a title winner go on to win the tournament this is in terms of that sense sort of unprecedented in

in open era history. Do you think there's any chance this could affect Sinner mentally, feeling like I haven't earned this place, I don't deserve to be here? I don't. By the way, I thought he was wonderful. He handled it really well. He's great at that stuff. humanity towards Dimitrov was wonderful to see and easy. They're friendly, aren't they? But I think he would have been like that. They are, but there's also this...

You know, the cameras cut to Roger Federer in the royal box, didn't they? And there was... I mean, it was harrowing, the expression on Roger Federer's face, and it truly captured... the moment and Yannick Sinner's reaction captured the moment as well and there is something about something very profound about the way other players respond to seeing that in their in their compadres, you know, it's like...

It's the sporting version. It's obviously not the same severity, but it's the sporting version of someone your age or your cohort dying or suffering a serious illness. It makes you feel like they're by the grace of God, doesn't it? In a sporting sense, that is what a moment like that feels like. And you can see the depth with which they feel it themselves. Roger Federer stood there and his life couldn't be better for me.

outfit in the royal box everything's smooth and lovely he was really affected by by seeing that on a very profound level absolutely but i believe Sinner is one of the best compartmentalizers that I've seen in tennis. I think we've seen that the way he's won grand slams whilst being... about to be suspended. I think he will, look, he'll accept it as a sport. It's tough, it's horrible, but it's sport. He's through, he'll play again.

And I don't think he'll have a flicker. I think the bigger concern will be, A, is he fully fit? And I share your view that we're probably not going to get an honest answer about that. Certainly not before the match. But also, is he good enough? Is he... We came into this match talking about 17 games lost in three matches. And now he's come up and he's just lost two sets. And frankly, been on the rack.

And, OK, is that just his opponent was brilliant and he wasn't so good? Or is this, OK, well, I mean, his next opponent, Ben Shelton, is going to look at that and probably take a little bit of... encouragement from it especially the way he's playing yeah I mean yeah do we want to move on to talk about Ben Shelton do we have any

Do we want to linger in the sadness any longer? No, I'd rather... I'd rather move on and talk about this match, really, because that was a really fun time, Shelton's on the go. Let's go. It really was. Let's relive the fun time. Bring some vibes, Matt. Well, I... I'll show you Reggie's Roger Federer selfie again. I'll be looking at that.

Every day for the rest of time. I joined this match at once at all, to be honest, because there was other stuff happening. It was at once at all that I sort of got my attention on it.

And Shelton went up a break in the third set, and then Sonego got it back. And they're such... What makes this matchup interesting is they're both such momentum players. They can both, you know... almost start a fire without a spark you know they can just make things happen and then roll with it for a bit and then the other one will wrestle it back and

You know, the sort of highlights and shot making in this was excellent. But the third set went to a tie break. And David, I know you saw this as well. The tie break that Shelton played was an absolute joke. So good. I wrote down three of the highlights. One was an incredible reflex volley.

The ball was behind him. He's the only player on the planet who could have done that. The only other player in history that could have done that, in my view, is Boris Becker. That was full-on, full-length dive, but with an extra... that other players just don't have. And even in midair, he's able to extend himself more and put himself, I think, in harm's way physically by how much he's extending himself and still flick the volley.

And I just think that takes a generational athlete to be able to do that. I think he has limitations in terms of his skill set compared to some of the others, but none of the others could have done what he did in that shot. Then he hit an amazing backhand lob on the run. And then he finished the tiebreak with a massive forehand return winner down the line.

A ridiculous return. And I've written loads of other fun stuff too. And that acceleration in the tyre wreck was absolutely electric. And then... And then the fourth set was fun too. Sonego generated a break point at 2-all and Shelton saved it with an amazing half-volley winner.

And then he said afterwards he was desperate not to play another tie. But I don't know why, because he played that one so well. And he's back himself to win another one. But he just broke Sonneau right at the end to win it 7-5 in that fourth set. And yeah, it was just...

Just a really, really fun match. Certainly the latter half of this match that I saw. Both of them playing well at the same time, I thought. And yeah, Ben Shelton has now had his best result. His best slam result, each major has come this year so far. So he really is showing up at slams and getting better at them. And look, I think a lot of people will kind of level at him. draws and all that kind of stuff he hasn't had really really tough draws in slams necessarily to get to those stages but

He's beating people in slams who he's sometimes losing to on the tour. There's definitely a difference. I think he backs himself physically over five sets and he knows that he's got an advantage there. And it's going to be fascinating. to see him come up against Sinner, that Sinner who, as we've just discussed, not at his best tonight, a little bit maybe rocked by this situation or not.

But either way, Shelton, I think, played him last year here. I think he had a set point and didn't take it. He's had that repeatedly against top players. I know he did get a set against Alcarez at the French Open, but he also could have won that first set. Anyone can get a set against Alcarez. When he comes up against the best players, Sina, Djokovic and Alcarez, he'll often rock them for a set.

It will show what he can do, but he often hasn't taken that set. This is a good place for him to do it. This feels like as good a chance as any so far, because I don't think grass... Sinner's obviously way more comfortable on a hard court, and Shelton's... bringing his game um you both seem to think he has a chance i do a decent chance yeah i mean sinner's the favorite yeah i'm not trying to say otherwise i wouldn't pick Shelton to win but I wouldn't be that surprised if he did.

He's going to bring his game. I think he's feeling himself here. I think he's showing off a bit here in a really positive way. I think he's surrounded by friends and family and the crowds are drawn to him. I think he's enjoying it. enjoying this this challenge um the the grass does provide a little bit of uncertainty for sinner

You know, on a hard court, you just don't have uncertainty. He knows exactly what bounce he's going to get. He knows exactly what's going to happen with his footwork. He's not going to end up on his back like he did today in the first game of the match on a hard court. That wouldn't happen. And all of this, I think, plays into Shelton's hands. I think Shelton might be a better natural surface player as well than a hard court player. And he's obviously had great results on a hard court.

This allows him to bring out that physicality, to dive and it be okay. All that stuff. Well, Mary Carrillo says it's the best athletes. that succeed on grass and obviously there is more to it than that but if it comes down to pure athletics it's It's hard to look beyond Ben Shelton. I'm sure Carlos Alcaraz would give him a run for his money, but I haven't seen Carlos Alcaraz throw a football the length of the Indian Wells players' lawn.

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So the men's quarterfinal set up today, we have Shelton against Sinner and we have Novak Djokovic against Flavio Caballi. Let's talk about Novak Djokovic, shall we? Dropped the first set and how. 1-6, 6-4, 6-4, 6-4 against Alex Dominoor. Trailed in the fourth set. Looked like he was at one point going to lose that fourth set. Very handily. We were all...

settling in, gearing up, refuelling for a fifth set. And in the words of Novak Djokovic, I was very relieved not to find myself in a fifth set. I've spoken about this match with quite a lot of people today that were watching it in various different ways. And some have said they didn't really ever feel in doubt that Djokovic was going to lose. I personally did think there was serious jeopardy in this match. I thought Djokovic was on the ropes a bit.

And it's pretty extraordinary that he came through and won. I think he was a little doom and all resisted in the end. But quite a match. Yeah.

Quite a match. I was court level in the commentary box in the corner there. I found the first set absolutely fascinating because the wind was taking a real... interest in this match and impacting it and first point of the match the the shirts the players were billowing around and and the player at the near end the raw box ends in front of Federer there to near to where we are

in the commentary box, they were wind-assisted, if you like. They got the wind behind them. And you could see Dimonor guiding the ball with the wind, not hitting it. He was just... stroking it, knowing that the wind would take it a certain length and then it would just land in. And he was doing it brilliantly.

Djokovic, on the other hand, couldn't time the ball, couldn't deal with the wind at all. He hit two double faults in the first game. He hit two more in his next service game down that end. He lost his serve three times in that first set. overhitting and it was just really interesting to watch Dimonor clearly

process what was going on down the other end and think, OK, I'm just going to play solid. I'm going to play solid tennis. This wasn't what Dimitrov was doing in the later match. This was just... percentage tennis and it got him that first set it kept him in the next two um

And I think the only time I really started to think, actually, I'm not sure Djokovic will win this, was in the fourth set, when he's 4-1 down and there are points for 5-1. And I'm thinking, if this goes to a fifth, I mean, I'd probably do back Djokovic, but then you're... You've got no room for... I'm always thinking, well, when's Novak Djokovic just going to get old? And there were moments in the match where I'm thinking, he looks a bit old here.

And then he'd come through that, and it's not age, actually. It's just he's not informed. Yeah, interesting. I mean, I...

I think I defer to your takes on the match. You watched all of it. You were in the best possible spot to watch it. What really struck me watching it was how the extent to which Djokovic was not... winning the long rallies. Oh, that was extraordinary. The longer the rally went, the bigger the chance of Alex Diminor winning. And I felt like Djokovic won it with aggression.

going for his shots, particularly his forehand. Looked at the stats in the third set. I think he'd won eight out of 33 that had gone nine shots and more. Yeah, and it ended up with Alex de Manor winning 36. to 16 of nine plus shot, nine plus shot rallies, so long, really long rallies. And, you know, the five to eight rallies were pretty even, but Dimonor edged them. But the one to four shot...

Djokovic won 66-45. And what he did, the BBC brought up a great graphic on the TV coverage, was in the first two sets, Djokovic was simply not hitting his spots on serve. They had an amazing graphic that... showed that in the previous rounds in the corners he was getting 80 percent of his serves you know right in the corners whether it be wide or t today in the first two sets he was more like 50 percent

And that allowed De Menor to get in the rallies. And when he was in the rallies, I thought De Menor was so smart. He was sometimes injecting pace, but a lot of the time he was slicing, keeping the ball low, making Djokovic shake extra shots, putting it deep.

And, like, Djokovic didn't, because he wasn't feeling the ball, in his words, with the wind, particularly at the start of the match, he was really struggling to, like, outmaneuver Dimonor and take over these rallies. But, as... So many players would not have been able to discover and find what Djokovic found in that match. The way he did start hitting his spots on serve, the way he did start taking over with his forehand by the end.

It was extraordinary, the change that happened. And look, he needed it right at the end. It was right at the end that he got it in the fourth set from 4-1 down, but he found it in time. And I think I... I did always think he would get through it because he's so good at that kind of stuff. But I did agree there was jeopardy here. I would say also, dim and all served badly.

for the first even that first set that he won under 50% for the first two sets like he had a bad serving day as well and I'm sure for both of them that was largely down to the wind I just still I know Novak Djokovic is 38 and even he has to find different ways to win and is evolving as a tennis player as he ages, but still seeing somebody in a match.

realised the tactic for me here against Novak Djokovic is to try and extend the rallies as long as possible and get in a hitting contest with him from the baseline. That still just feels so wild to me that that can be a sensible... and effective tactic. And I find it hard not to be alarmed by seeing Djokovic lose those longer rallies.

clearly looked so uncomfortable getting into them. I thought Domino was really smart about dragging him into the net and Djokovic didn't want to get dragged into the net because he was very aware of what...

Diminol was doing to him on the passing shots he looked like Leighton Hewitt out there at times I thought and in fact at one point when Diminol finally missed a pass late in the second set Djokovic did a crossing himself in a thank goodness one of the missed thing like Djokovic didn't want to get drawn in but he also didn't want to be hanging around at the baseline with him because he was he was losing out on those exchanges and I

I just found that so bizarre to see, but that negative is so balanced out by the fact that he found another way to win. Yeah, and I think in terms of the rest of the tournament, obviously it raises a question mark in terms of whether he's going to be able to... live with potentially Yannick Sinner from the baseline in the semifinals obviously but I do think he was particularly poor today from the baseline because of the circumstances of the match

with the wind. I think the wind totally threw him off in that first set. And I think he actually has been hitting his ground strokes well in this tournament and even going back to the French Open when, you know, he did go toe-to-toe from the... from the baseline with Yannick Sinner in the semis. OK, he lost, but he backs himself more on the surface and his serve. he didn't have his serve and I think he would back himself to serve better in kind of future matches as well so I don't know

I agree with what does it mean for the rest of his tournament. I think it's definitely a question we have to have. But it also felt a little bit specific to this match that he ended up playing like that. Interesting. Okay. And, of course, Roger Federer was watching him. Which was cool. Which was cool, yeah. And he watched all of me around Draver, didn't he? Yeah, it was fun seeing Roger Federer there at the front of the Royal Box until he...

Had the powering reaction to Grigor Dimitrov. Anyway, let's not go back there. Let's move on to Flavio Caboli.

Novak Djokovic's quarterfinal opponent. He got the better of Marin Cilic today, 6-4, 6-4, 6-7, 7-6. This was not, David, the same Marin Cilic. They beat Jack Draper a couple of rounds ago. No, and at the same time, it was a different kind of opponent. He obviously wasn't hitting the ball as well in the first couple of sets as he had been to get to this point. But equally, Caballi's so quick and was just getting balls back that...

I think 36-year-old Baron Chilish was like, hold on a minute, how many shots have I got to hit to get this ball past you? He played really well, Caballi, and I think that... It was getting dicey there for him, though, when Chilish started to mount that comeback. And, you know, with Caballi, I think that you're looking at a player who...

needs incremental achievements in his career to progress. I don't think he just does stuff and is going to go and win a Grand Slam. I don't think we're going to see him win Wimbledon, for instance, this fortnight. I think he might have the ability to do quite a lot more than he's done so far, but he kind of has to have an accomplishment, a little one, so he can move to the next stage.

My mind still goes back to what he was like against Nadal in that Barcelona match last year, maybe, where he just couldn't play. He couldn't play. He was Nadal, his hero. He couldn't play. I think that as he's moved along and got some other achievements under his belt, he's handling things better. Today he handled that really well, probably because he's come through some other challenges.

doesn't fill me with great confidence that he's going to be a threat to Novak Djokovic in the next round for the same sort of reasons. Yeah, and because Djokovic told everyone in press that Flavio Caballi had had a hit with his son, Stefan, the other day. It's just not giving fangs that, is it? No. Was it Djokovic said that he's going to get the tactical plan from Stefan, from their hit together? It's quite a funny line.

Look, I mentioned Caballi's return the other day, which he really rates. He's been talking it up, and I was interested to see it come up against the Cilic serve. Well, Cilic against Draper was winning 78% of his first serve points. Through two sets today against Kabali, he was only winning 63%. Do you think Cilic was serving similarly or markedly worse? I mean, in terms of...

That's points one on first serve. So that's when the first serve is going in. Caballi was handling it better than Draper. Now, whether that's because Cilic wasn't hitting his spots like he was against Draper, I'm not exactly sure. But I always think, you know, the returner has...

impact on how you're serving right and and Caballi seemed to be on that serve it did improve for Cilic as the match went on but I was I was impressed by Caballi there in those first two sets to be able to do that and the match did just look a bit It looked like what a match should look like between an up-and-coming... exciting talent like Caballi and what is Cilic 37 36 36 he looks about 46 just you know off off a surgery not that long ago like that's that's more like that

Today was what I expected Draper Cilic to look like. And in the end, it happened a couple of rounds later, but it has ended up happening. Caballi had some amazing support. The vibes he had from these two blokes in the front row. was extraordinary I don't know who they are but they were making a hell of a lot of noise and then he had a huge

support camp with his team as well and some very moving scenes at the end with his father in tears and hugs all round. It was really, really, really nice scenes and this is a great run. from Koboli. It absolutely is. Got a good stat for you in the difference in experience between Koboli and Novak Djokovic. This was told to me by the ITF. Kabbali has won 63 matches. Oh dear, this isn't. Djokovic today reached his 63rd Grand Slam quarterfinal.

It's just unbelievable. And, you know, with the comments of practicing with Djokovic's son, to me it is giving... Two, three and one. By the way, I know Charlie Eccleshire from The Athletic did an interview with Kabali. fairly recently and found out what a good footballer he was. And I think that there was a real crossroads for Caballi there.

So, yeah, worth a read of that. Yeah, I did learn a lot about him. I like it a lot about Flavio Gaboli. He's a really stylish player and a great athlete. I just like fangs, and I'm yet to feel them. But I feel like Lorenzo Mazzetti's grown some fangs over the last couple of years. So it's possible. And that match could have got away from him. You know, Cilic was coming back at him. He was playing a lot better in that fourth set. And he...

He resisted him. He did well. He had great backhand to save a break point at one point. The tie break, you know, was... I think Mazzetti's a good comparison because I think that goes with the incremental thing that I'm talking about because that has been the same trajectory, hasn't it, for Mazzetti? needs to do it to believe it's possible yep absolutely good luck in a couple of days time Flavio keep your eye on the ball

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Okay, let's move on to the women's draw and the matches that we've seen there today. Let's start with Miran Draver and her... Very comprehensive victory over Emma Navarro. 6-2, 6-3, watched on by Roger Federer, who was absolutely top of her list of people that she wanted to watch her play tennis, and yet she couldn't look at him.

because she knew it would make her... tight and she said actually at one point she did glimpse up she let herself peek and it did make her tight and she lost about five points in a row she said on court one of my dreams was to see you in real life

And then she complimented Mirka's outfit. It was an incredibly charming interview after the match. Charming is the word, isn't it, for obviously hearing her... speak and getting to know her but also watching her the whole Mira Andreva experience is charming how can you not be charmed by her and her tennis I think she's one of the best watches in the sport really just generally she's she's one of the best news developments for tennis in the last three years.

both in terms of how she plays the sport and gives you something different. She's one of those players you can watch win a really comfortable match and still enjoy it. It's not just... uneventful because she's got such a stylish game and then you also know that you're likely to get an interview to listen to afterwards and it's going to give you something that you didn't know that'll make you smile

I mean, Catherine and I went to her press conference. We were two of about seven journalists in there because there was so much going on elsewhere. The Dimitrov Cinematch was going on at the time.

But, you know, every question is an answer that you just... You're noting it down because you're remembering her and she looks like she wants to be there. Yeah, her press conference... answers are a bit like her rallies you know like there's just just kind of got everything in them you know they might there'll be a really smart point there'll be some humor and And the rallies she plays, I mean, honestly, in the same point, you might see...

A drop shot, a slice forehand, a backhand down the line, a lob, a looped ball. Like she can kind of do everything. And that's why I go to Mira Andreva matches for those rallies. I just love watching her. construct points, and there was a lot of that today against Emma Navarro, because Navarro hasn't got a big, powerful game. She's a point constructor. Exactly, so it's similar, but Andreva was just a lot better at it.

I do still think the point that Pam has made and we've made, you know, the forehand. Can you rush it? And can she generate enough pace off it? I think... opponents later in this tournament will maybe ask those questions that Navarro couldn't today. But she was great. I thought she displayed a lot of poise in that centre court experience.

Her anticipation continues to be absolutely mind-bending. She just knows where opponents are hitting the ball. The points she played to break at the start of the second set, a perfect illustration of that. She was just reading. where I was going to go and just there.

Yeah, I thought she was really good today. I know Hannah and Vicky were on centre court and loved the Mira Andreva experience that they got as well. And after that point that she played, anticipating, I... picked them out in the crowd and they were looking at me and I was looking at them and it was just a kind of appreciation of yeah this is this is really really good she let 4-1 become 4-3 in the second set I think that was when she let herself peek at Roger Federer right

She's just slightly lost her way there for a little bit. But yeah, really impressive. And again, I've been banging on about it, but I've been looking at Wimbledon champions and players that do well at Wimbledon and thinking about... They either tend to have power or touch. And she's got both. You know, that serve that she hits now is big. It's a big serve. It's dominant when she...

When she's rolling with it, she can crack power on the backhand. The forehand is a question mark, as I said, in terms of power. But touch and craft, she's got that too. It does feel like a combination that can win here. And she's got this slice forehand. going on that's incredibly effective both as a kind of keeping the opponent on their toes because they don't know which shot is coming but also it's just an effective shot in itself and it helps her protect the weakness of the

of the relative weakness of the forehand, I'm desperate to see somebody that can go really hard and flat into that forehand and test it, or at least hard into the forehand. At this point... I am thinking about Andre Vyshontek in the semi-finals. I'm already kind of picturing that match and wanting it. I mean, Bencic.

in the next round a little bit I certainly think more than more than Navarro she's not got she's not got enormous power Bencic but she takes the ball early and she can rush you that way and I think she will pressure the Androva forehand in a way that maybe it hasn't been yet on the grass at Wimbledon this year. 7-6-4 for Bencic over Alexandrova on court one.

today Matt was delayed making his way to the Djokovic match when Djokovic looked like he was in serious trouble on centre because quote Bencic Alexandrova has become incredible It did though. It really did with Benchik trying to serve it out. It was like a 13 minute game. She had so many match points. And the thing about Alexandrova is she plays every point the same.

Like, it doesn't really matter what the score is. She's just doing the same thing. And there was this kind of, it was like she was blind to what the score was because she was hitting ridiculous shots up the line to save match point. And you're like, you're match point down and you're going for that. And yet she was landing them every time. And Bengshik's the stress on her face. She did that funny thing of shouting at her team, calm down.

Oh, that's relatable. She gave them a very sarcastic thank you after she lost the point. She was feeling it in this nervous energy she had. Whereas Alexandra was just... hitting the tennis ball, and it was landing in. But then, you know, she did end up breaking Alexandrova, but then Bengtschik broke her in the next game. There's quite a lot of neck cords towards the end that went in Bengtschik's favour, which did, I think, help her.

It just became great. It became really, really compelling. I think it took us six match points in the end to get over the line. And that's a good win. You know, Alexandra, we always talk about how she doesn't deliver her tour form at slams. She's started to show it a little bit more.

She's been a factor in terms of like she's played Goff and she's played Bengshik here to get to the quarterfinals. You know, like she's been there. I don't think she's played her best in those matches either, but she's not like bombed out in the first or second round. She was up in that first set, Bencic had to come back. I think that's a good win for Bencic, who is kind of a threat on the surface because of the way she can take the ball early and rush players.

That would be a nice match. I'm looking forward to that one. I really am. Stylish match. Two backhand listers. Backhand list is having quite a tournament. The other... Quarter-final set-up today on the women's side. It's almost as if players with good backhands are good tennis players. I know. I knew someone was going to say Anna Bogdan. Victoria Golubich.

Sorry. The other quarterfinals set up today on the women's side. Iga Svjontek against Lyubmila Samsonova. Svjontek getting the better of Towson, 6-4, 6-1. She was down in the opening set of this, David. Once she got the break back then and got her teeth into this match, it was a jog towards the finish line, really. Yeah, I didn't get to watch it in depth and up close, mainly because Sinner...

Dimitrov was going on at the same time. There were a lot of other press conferences. But I saw that early break of serve. And I did wonder, you know, Tarsin hit such a clean ball. Could she be one of the big hitters that could rush Svantec?

But I felt reassured on behalf of Siobhan Tech because of her approach, because she's decided she's going to... rein it in and not try to just meet fire with fire all the time use her immense skill set an incredible movement because these are things that Towson for instance just doesn't have and that turnaround I think tells you Svantec's in a good place. Yeah, it was a very slow, kind of sloppy start to the match from both of them. They were both really struggling with their serve.

Towson went up a break. Shevontek broke back. Towson went up a break again. And I was at that stage thinking, uh-oh, this could be one of those matches. This doesn't look like the Collins match, is kind of what I was thinking, you know. But then once she got the break back, she went to 3-0.

Squeezed through that first set a little bit. Towson, I don't think, was feeling great. She didn't look particularly well. She was clutching her throat. It looked like she was maybe struggling to breathe. She just looked low energy a little bit. The point I would shout out is the point that Svantec played to break for 3-1 in the second set. After that, she then just raced to the finish. But that one...

Like, she was just defending, scrambling, running from side to side, not trying to hit out from the corners, putting the ball in an awkward spot. And I imagine Igor Shiontek fans just watching that. Like, we used to... pray for times like this you know like she's she's using her skill set as David said and forcing the other you know forcing her opponent to win the point

rather than losing it herself, you know. It was a real marked difference, I think, to the way she's played on this surface at Wimbledon in the past. And if she's doing things like that, combined with... the clean attacking tennis that we've seen at times this tournament, that's a really great combination. And, you know, she'll probably need it again in...

in the next round, because she's playing another big hitter. Yeah, I'm just reading, well, just browsing through the Eagis Frontex press conference transcript, not one question about strawberry pasta. No. Biggest shock of the day. Call that growth.

Yes, Iga Shontek's next round will be against Lyudmila Samsonova. Finally, finally making the breakthrough into a Grand Slam quarterfinal. She's been a factor on tour. She's been winning titles for a long time. And yet most people that only pick up tennis at Grand Slams, and there's a lot of them, and I don't mind it. I only follow golf at the majors. That's an important...

cohort of tennis fans, isn't it? They probably haven't even heard of Lyudmila Samsonova. This is absolutely huge for her. Jessica Buthas-Monaro, 7-5, 7-5, and David, you chatted to her afterwards. Yeah, and she saved a set point in that. in that first set as well. And, you know, I really thought at that stage I probably would trust Berthes Meniere more because of Samsonova's record. I'm thinking there's got to be a lot of scar tissue here at Grand Slam.

level for a player who's done as much as she has in terms of threat at the tour level and has so often just bombed out at the Grand Slam so I've never been to a press conference of hers before and I thought Well, now's the time. And it was also in room two, which is the smaller one, which was a really nice opportunity to meet her. And as we're walking in, there was a little chat going on outside the press conference room. And I didn't realise I'd just walked straight past.

Ludmilla Samsonova because she wasn't dressed like what I would think is dressed like a tennis player. She's wearing a sort of sweatshirt, like a blue sweatshirt. She just looked like she was somebody who's just come back from the gym.

your normal social gym some players do look so different when they're not on the court yes I didn't recognise her at all and I realised oh there she is better go in quickly and I thought I wonder what they're talking about anyway when we're sitting in there and the moderator came in and said guys

A request from Ludmilla, could you please not ask her about her next opponent? And it wasn't even played yet, Svantec against Towson. Could you please not ask her about that match? Because she doesn't know they're playing. one another. She had no clue who were her prospective quarterfine opponents. When is she going to find out? Is this an Adrian Manorino situation? Tomorrow, she said. And it was really interesting. It's not superstition. It's just because, I mean, and...

We're in this difficult situation. We've got to speak to Liz Mellon and try to get to know her. Obviously, there's this huge match going on and we're not even allowed to ask her an either-or question about the prospective opponents. But look, that's what she's asked for, so we're going to respect that. But towards the end of the press conference, one of the journalists said, why is that that you don't want to know your... She says, I've always been like this. She says...

it's because I don't want to have that in my head yet. Because if I do, I'll be thinking about it all the time, and my head will basically explode, is the gist of what she was saying. And we said, OK, so when are you going to find out? She said, tomorrow. I'll find out tomorrow. so okay you know so we carried on and tried to get to know her a little bit without asking that question and I think even that itself was instructive she was so nice she was so sort of um

patient with the questions and trying to answer them in a positive way, in a helpful way. And, you know, I just, I got the sense that, I mean, this is the biggest moment of her career. She said, she said, It's equal the biggest win, but this is far the most emotional. And she said, grand slam. I said, why do you think... You've been so successful on the tour, but you have yet to translate it into Grand Slam success until now. She said, I think even the word Grand Slam just feels such a big deal.

You know, and I haven't, basically, I haven't been able to... Relax, I think, is the gist of it. And so this is just monumental for her to get through. She talked about how Maria Sharapova and Garbini Magruth are a player she used to watch when she was a junior here. really inspired her. She really loved watching them. And yeah, this is somebody... And they said, how do you keep it quiet? How do you sort of not find out who these abandons are? She says, well...

Nobody contacts me on social media. Nobody even knows who I am. It's really easy. I'm thinking, crikey, I've never heard anything quite like this before. Couldn't be me. I'd be Carlos Alcraz staring at the drawer. People are so fascinating. It's like people that don't want to find out the sex of their baby. Maybe. Cannot get my head around that. Like, I totally understand the logic and respect it. Get her saying, I...

would obsess about it. I would obsess over not knowing. I'd obsess over all the possible people it could be, scenarios, the wandering. Yeah. Human minds is just fascinating. She was also very funny when asked about the strawberry pasta because she was born in Italy. They're not asking you Shontek about the strawberry pasta now. They're asking... Well, Samson of her because she was born in Italy and nationalised. I can't believe it. I can't believe you do that with pasta. None of us can.

So they couldn't... Jasmine Paolini wasn't in to us. I told you that was the next evolution, asking all the Italians. I didn't think of Sam Zonover. Was Fabio Caboli asked? I don't think he was, was he? Right, does she have a chance against Viontech? Yes, she is. I mean, she's such a big hitter. But I think what's more likely, I'm sorry to say, is that she gets nervous. Svantec makes her play a lot of balls and she misses too much. I think that's more likely. Keep your eye on the ball.

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Right, tomorrow's order of play, starting on centre court where there are only two matches. Tomorrow we've reached that stage, two matches on the two main show courts. It starts at 1.30 on centre, as per usual, with Aruna Sabalenka. against Laura Siegmund. Go with God, Arena. What percentage chance are we giving Siegmund here? 25. I think she'd sign for that. Matt? A little lower.

20? Yeah, let's go 20. I... Yeah. OK, Cam Norrie, second on centre against Carlos Alcaraz. What percentage chance does Norrie have? I don't know if I like this new percentage chance feature. Well, there's no point in me asking who's going to win because you're going to say Sabalenka and Alcaraz. What am I, an excitement rating meter to you? An accurate one. You're just going to say Sabalenka and Alcaraz. That's no fun for anyone.

I'm not sure flailing over a percent is that fun. Make it fun. God damn it, make it fun. 30. Thank you, David. No, I think lower than that. I'm a David, I think. I could see Norrie causing him a few problems and Alcaraz winning. Sure, but isn't that 20% as well? Causing a few problems. Same percent that Fanini had. Give me a percent, goddammit, Matt. 20. Okay. Number one court. You know we're carrying on.

We know that. I'll go to David first. David's more amenable. Yeah, let's do it. Buys you some time, Matt. Taylor Fritz at 1pm against Karen Hashanov. Oh, this is going to be an absolute slugfest, isn't it? Yeah, 100% chance of being long. Yeah, I do think it's going to be four sets for Fritz. But in terms of, you know, I'd say it's... A 65-35 job for Fritz. Okay, that's a man that understands the assignment. Matt? I understand, I just don't like it.

Yeah, Fritz for me, I think, as I said before, he's not beaten Hatchinov, and I think this is a great chance to show how much his game has evolved in the time since they last played. And he wants to do that, doesn't he? Desperately, and he... He keeps saying he's playing really well this tournament. And I kind of like Taylor Fritz's... analysis and self-analysis and i i kind of believe him when he says it and i i think he takes action of in in four as well good answer not the question i asked uh

70-30 to Fritz. Sorry for this additional blow, but the chat loves the percentage game. Ooh. Yeah. Well, we shouldn't be, you know, shouldn't be led by what the people like.

That's a dangerous game. I think I've realised why you're grouchy about this game. It's because of what's coming next. I refuse. Second on court one tomorrow. Amanda Anasimova against Anastasia Pavlian. It doesn't matter. Just get over the line. David, honest percentages, please. Yeah, I think this is close. I think 55-45 for Inesimova. I think this is really close.

55-45 for the mood of this podcast tomorrow. We've already had a downer episode today. We can't have another. I've said she'll win. For what it's worth... Would you sign for that? Sure. But I actually feel... A little more confident for Anissa Mova. A 60-40? Let's do it. Wow. Yeah. That's good. Interesting. I appreciate you getting on board with my game. She's...

She's been constantly under threat on serve, this tournament, which is definitely something that I think she can try and improve in this match. Even Zarazua had a lot of looks at her serve, Galfi. and obviously Noskova. I think that's a dangerous area for Inisimova, and Pavlyuchenkova can jump on returns and take the ball early.

But she's found herself just enough when she's needed it. She was great from the ground against Noskova. She's got an amazing record when she wins the first set at the moment. She's on a very long streak of winning matches when she's won the first set. that feels potentially crucial as well. You can go with God as well. You and Arena. Day nine of Wimbledon. We have our mascots to say hello to. Hello, Phoebe.

Hello, Maisie. David's lovely mascot. Hello, Roger. We should have showed Roger a picture of Roger when he was here. Yeah, why didn't we think of that? Yeah. That was being good.

God, there was a lot going on. He put some Willow content up this week. Yeah. Did you bring that up when he came and shook your hand, David? I didn't. More Willow content, Roger. That was an amazing moment. We had... John McEnroe and Tim Henman over there. David frantically trying to set up StreamYard over here. Cameron Matthew here. Reggie over there.

through walks Roger Federer and suddenly like the whole energy of the place changed and he came over he shook David's hand said it was nice to see him It was lovely, actually. Said hello to everyone. He didn't used to have that grey hair. No, he didn't. Did some bants over there with Henman and McEnroe. And then he was taking pictures over here with...

Members of the public, I think, just as he was about to leave. And Reggie, who was behind a fence. And the hedge. Yeah. Seized his opportunity, waited for the perfect moment. and said, Roger, can I have a picture? It's the most iconic selfie you've ever seen. Yeah, it's unbelievable. Federer went oh I don't know how he said sure but I don't know how and Reggie was like I do I do

And he repositioned, and the Federer's head's just sticking up over this H with a beaming smile, and then Reggie's got the best smile on his face. It's going to go in on you's letter. that photo i'll pop it on our instagram as well at the tennis podcast on instagram or just search for us and the link to subscribe to the newsletter is in our show notes uh it's worth it folks take my word for that

Hello to our top folks and executive producers, Greg, Chris and Jeff. And Matt, if you can bear it, could I have some shout outs, please? We have Matthew O'Shea from Cork, Ireland, but living in Amsterdam. Hello Matthew. Hi Matthew. We love Matthews here on the Tennis Podcast. We've got a couple of them in our vicinity and they're both excellent and so are you.

and Matthew went to the Rotterdam tournament this year, and he saw, and he shouted out a match here, which I'd forgotten about, but it was excellent. Alcaraz Hercach. Was unexpectedly excellent. It was excellent. He says it's underrated top five match of the year. This was Alcaraz's bright pink nose strip era. He won the title. Good tournament, Rotterdam. It is, yeah.

by that place yeah i think that low key is one of the one of the best tour matches of the year definitely matthew thank you for reminding us about it thanks matthew we've also got michael petsalis Hello, Michael. From Quebec. Hi, Michael. In Canada. Hi, Michael Shtick, who I've seen wandering about here. Did he shake your hand? Nobody said hello. I bet he's got a firm handshake when he does shake your hand.

Michael says, my son played Diallo several times in Juniors. Wow. He's a very nice young man. His son? He's saying Diallo, but I suspect also his... Oh yes, he says, as is my son, Andreas. Lovely. Any more Michaels? Just one more Michael to throw in? Michael Chang. There you go. He's probably having a tough time at the moment. Isn't he still coach of Keanu Shikori? That is probably true, yeah. For the time being, anyway. Michael.

Thank you. And finally, we have Kathy Kyles from New Jersey. Oh, and there was a Bruce reference in today's show. There was. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Kathy with a C. Kathy with a K and a Y. Same church, different pew. And Kathy says the highlight of attending the US Open last year was meeting... David and having a picture with him. Oh, Cathy. Thank you very much. Great name, Cathy Kyles. Excellent name.

And Cathy is my real name, actually. Well, no, it's not. Catherine's my real name. Like Cathy Rinaldi. When my mum came to the live show. We were having different conversations. I don't know which way to go. Sorry. When my mum came to the live show, she had to keep reminding herself to introduce herself as Catherine's mum. Right, yeah. When actually she's never called me Catherine in her life. Yeah. But both Catherine and Cathy are good, as is Cathy Rinaldi.

Right, I had a sudden brain freeze as to whether that was actually a correct name. No, everyone on the chat is screaming Cathy Rinaldi and probably screaming at me to shut up. So let's...

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