Live from Wimbledon - Who's been handed a nightmare draw?

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Hello and welcome to the Tennis Podcast. Live from Wimbledon, a glorious sunny day at Wimbledon for the first time in 2025. We are so back in our incredible position. here on the broadcast roof overlooking the green green grass of court number 18 there we've got centre court over there we've got number one court behind us we've got

Henman Hill over in the distance. All of it absolutely pristine in anticipation of everything kicking off in less than three days' time. If you don't know, I'm Catherine Whittaker. Alongside me are David Law and Matt Roberts.

We are the Tennis Podcast and we are here daily for the next 17 days through the Wimbledon fortnight talking about this incredible tournament. And if you're looking over here and wondering why Matt Roberts is wearing... such a snazzy outfit it's in celebration of the fact that today is draw day not just any draw the draw You know I love all draws, but the Wimbledon draw is the best of the lot.

It lived up to expectations today. I think I had the afterglow of our live show in London last night when I arrived on site at 9am this morning. Not the afterglow of Bruce Springsteen releasing 80 songs. That happened on the stroke of midnight as we were in the taxi home. It's been a big 24 hours for Matt Roberts. It was all incredibly overwhelming. We've been kitted out in this new Wimbledon merch. Brilliant. What a day. It's one of those days where...

Matt is so happy, like you can't help but... that rub off on you. It's like being in the presence of Carlos Alcaraz. That's right. I'll take that. No, it's true. It's true. I mean, you were here. Catherine and I hadn't even left the apartment and you were already posting selfies of yourself right here. That's about eight hours ago, nine hours ago. And yeah, I mean, it is that kind of day, but...

There was a little bit of concern about the draw as to whether it all functioned as well as you would want, because last year didn't. And I mean... Because, I mean, look, they carried the thing out as we like it to be carried out. And, I mean, actually, I feel like they even went up a notch this time. It felt even more a bit dramatic, a bit more one-at-a-time names. And nothing went wrong, right? I mean, it was...

It was plot work. It's like one of those gigs, concerts, when the musician just comes out and sits down at the piano or grabs a guitar and just starts playing. We've got this. We don't need faff here. Yeah. It's all killer, no filler. Yeah. There's no... Rugby player to interview halfway through the draw, looking at you, Roland Garros. It's just straight into it. This is the draw. I was particularly lucky today because at the end of the draw, I...

I got to hold the bag that they... The purse, the velvet... I don't know if this is an implement that has a name. It's like a miniature tennis racket. It's a tennis racket shape. It's sort of like a saucepan, a wooden saucepan. And in lieu of... a saucepan in lieu of the bit where you would put your stir fry there is a there's a velvet

bag secured by these beautiful studs and that is where the the names from the draw go into and it's like something from a mystical magical world it's it's got such a sense of occasion and grandeur and matt got to hold it i got to hold it i felt incredibly powerful i also got to hold the box where they keep all the chips and that is kept shut by a world war ii soldier's belt

Incredible. It's really heavy. The chips are heavy. We're slowly moving towards Matt just doing the draw. Denise Parnell needs to watch out. If ever we lose Matt from the tennis podcast, it'll be because somebody at Wimbledon's decided to involve. Matt Roberts in the draw. It was just brilliant. Yeah, you could do a lot worse than involving Matt Roberts in the draw. Let's talk about the actual draw, the names that came out of the hat.

or the implement that we don't have a name for the headlines, the stories I want to start I think with the men's draw what we have here is projected semi-final projected quarterfinals rather that look like this and this is according to seedings obviously these won't happen but this is what the seedings say that we will see in the last eight lorenzo musetti again Now, obviously, top two seeds, Sinner and Alcaraz.

they deserve a lot of our attention and they will get it but I think it's with the Draper Djokovic quarter David that we need to start here that's what That's where everybody's attention went, isn't it? You know, one thing you don't get at this draw usually is a lot of audible sounds from the congregated media. Normally it's just, we're there to watch and then go away.

And usually it's the domain of the French Open for the ooh, the ooh-la-la, all that sort of thing. There weren't any ooh-la-las, sadly. But there were a lot of noises in the room, and a lot of them centred around... that section particularly for Jack Draper I think The moment that it became apparent that Alexander Bublik was a third-round opponent for Jack Draper, if they both get there, that's the one that everybody was waiting for. Where is Bublik going to land? He's going to land...

against a high seed, and it was Jack Draper. And, you know, I've got Charlie Eccleschef from The Athletic on one side. I've got Pam Shriver on my other side. And, I mean, like, the audible sounds.

increased a lot when they mostly came from pam pam had comments about everything it was it was actually very interesting to sit next to pam during the draw as well because she's she's looking at it from an espn television perspective and she was making notes and sending notes back to the production team at ESPN with her takes on what this draw meant you know a little bit like what we're doing now and and a lot of it centered around what what's happening with the Americans what

what might be good first rounds, but Draper is still a feature of attention. For America, and I think particularly given his seeding, particularly because Bublik came out as a potential round three, particularly because Djokovic is lurking as well. Do you think it's because he won Indian Wells that Draper had? I mean, obviously, he's fourth seed. He's going to be talked about.

regardless of his cut through. But do you think... He does seem to be having particular cut through in the US. I suppose the US Open semi-final in New Wales, he's done a lot in America. All those things add up, but it's also because we're here. Yeah. He's the man. He's... I mean, okay, you know, we may... all be concentrating really on Alcaraz versus Sinner with Novak Djokovic lurking around. Those are probably our main concentration points. But it is a big deal having a British player.

as a top five seed at Wimbledon. I mean, it's not many times over the years that that's happened. You know, you're thinking of Andy Murray, Tim Henman. I don't know. Did Johanna Conte ever got that high? But it's... It's a big deal. And I think that because he got those names, the whole room was aware of it and talking about it. And it's...

The kind of draw that makes you realise that Jack Draper was absolutely right when he played down the significance of securing that top four seeding during Queen's. When he's never been beyond the second round here, he might have to face... marrying Cilic here in the second round who look is not the force he once was but you know grass is probably his best surface it'd be dangerous even even even at this stage in his career and then you get into the list of names where

Quite frankly, even thinking about the semi-finals right now for Jack Draper is... is ridiculous because he's probably going to have to go through Bublik in the third round, maybe Jakub Mensik in the fourth round, and most likely Novak Djokovic in the quarterfinals. And that is just... you know, murderous row, really, of informed players who all of them would have a big, big chance of beating.

Jack Draper. Second slam in a row that Matt has said Murderer's Row about somebody's draw. I love it. Can we make this a new feature? Who has Matt's Murderer's Row? If you were a British tabloid headline writer, would you call this a nightmare draw?

jack draper i think so yeah and i think and i mean we'll come on to talk about the women's draw as well from a british perspective this is not a good draw you know like There are a number of good players from Great Britain in this draw, many of whom...

The hope would be, from a home perspective, that one or two of them will make a deep run. Now, Jack Draper would be right at the top of that list, given his top five ranking, but there are others. And actually, when you go through the draw, there aren't many good ones from a British perspective.

Look, that's interesting from a sort of intrigue perspective. But yes, from a media perspective of the locals here, the chances are they may get to the second Monday and kind of not have any... players left flipping this section of the draw on its head a bit obviously we've been mostly talking about it from a Draper perspective looking at it from a Djokovic perspective it's not great for him either is it

He was going to be in one of Sinner or Alcaraz's half. He would have preferred Alcaraz's. He's in Sinner's half. He's in Jack Draper's quarter. Okay, he'd probably be the favourite for that match if it happened. That could end up being a bubolic match, which I don't think Djokovic would relish. There's players he would prefer to have there. Is this pretty suboptimal for Novak Djokovic as well?

Do you know, I don't know, I'm fascinated to hear what you think, because to me, I think he's looking at this drawer and thinking... I mean, I don't think he's as presumptuous as this, but I don't think there's anybody that concerns him in that quarter. You don't think Bublik worries him a bit? He's so far away. The chances are the public may not turn up and actually get that far. I think he'd be worried about Sinner, of course. If he gets to the semi-finals, it's going to be somebody amazing.

pretty much guaranteed for him. And I just feel like he will... back himself to get to that semi-final spot, and frankly so would I. It is going to be someone amazing, but don't you think there's quite a big difference for Djokovic between it being Sinner and being Alcaraz? Or am I over-egging that? No, I think I agree with you. I think that he would rather have had Alcaraz and had him in maybe the quarterfinals.

Sinner's so reliable in terms of getting there, and we know that Alcaraz is on his own in the other half. He's a big, big favourite to come through that. I'm looking at this draw thinking, if Novak Djokovic is going to win this, he's going to have to go through them both.

and he's going to have to go through Alcaraz in the final, which I think is the hardest way for him to have to beat Alcaraz. Yeah, that's a fair point. So I definitely think it's tough for Novak Djokovic from that perspective, but I do expect him to get to the semis here.

I do. I do look at that section and think, does Alexander Bublik, if he gets there, turn up against Novak Djokovic, like in the way that he would turn up against... other players is he able to do the things that he can do against Novak Djokovic I'm not so sure about that and if he played Draper I kind of think he'd have too much

experience and know how on that occasion to be able to beat him as well so I am I am looking at this thinking it's pretty good for Djokovic to get to that latter stage but in terms of if he gets there Having to go through Sinner and Alcaraz in that order feels like a massive task. Incidentally, I was searching for photos of Jack Draper the other day for professional purposes, I should say.

On Getty. And there were some... I'm so glad we're live right now. There were some pictures of him on the practice court receiving some not great-looking treatment. I don't know. It's media day tomorrow. He'll come through the press conference room. We'll get the chance to ask him about all of this and not just us, obviously, but get a sense of how he's feeling, how the tonsillitis... is is doing i just none of it just feels all a bit not quite right for jack draper you know

Like in some ways it very much is. He's having the time of his life. He's number four in the world. He's the Indian Wells champion. He's coming into Wimbledon as the top-ranked Brit. It just... I don't know, rather than riding a wave, it feels like the wave is just ebbing a bit at the wrong time. But he's had a great run. He's had a great run of fitness overall for the last six months, probably for the first time in his career. And so...

You know, it has been riding a wave until recently and winning the Indian Wells and getting to the final Madrid and looking like a threat everywhere he goes on all the surfaces. But you're right. The fact that he's had tonsillitis bothers me in itself. If he has had treatment, I want to know about it as well, like you. And I think that you can't overlook the fact that this guy still hasn't reached the third round of this tournament yet.

And it is a big deal and a lot to deal with for him to try to get used to playing in front of this crowd and being the man, being the man to carry all the burden. And he's talking like he wants it, and I don't doubt that for a second. But I also think that that can just creep up on you and be a strain. And the only way he will overcome that is by doing it.

I think you can do a certain amount of preparation for it. You can put yourself in the best physical shape that you possibly can be in. You can put yourself in the best kind of mental shape and maybe try to...

preempt some scenarios with a psychologist or, you know, I love how open he is about his own mental health and the sort of... anxiety he sometimes feels in life i love him for that you know i think it's such a it's such a healthy message you know you look at him and he's he looks like a kind of

Greek god doesn't he in terms of his physique and he's and people would wonder whether he's such a nice bloke and everybody like you'd wonder has he got a worry in the world and yet he lets you in that he has and that things bother him and I love that but in terms of actually getting the results that he wants and that people are going to inevitably expect from him, given he's a false seed, I think that's a big ask. And I don't think...

anybody should be hard on him if it doesn't happen this time because I think it will happen eventually. What do you think of Yannick Sinner's draw? I think it looks very comfy in the first... few rounds he's got his compatriot Luca Nardi in the first round absolute beat down he is talented Luke and Hardy and he's been tearing it up on the Challenger tour I'm told but yeah

I don't think now is the moment. I know he's beaten Novak Djokovic at Indian Wells, but... I foresee straight sets. Yeah, I mean, Lorenzo Mazzetti once beat Luca Nardi, love and love, didn't he? And celebrated like he'd won Roland Garros. Which makes me wonder whether there's beef between those two. The first seed that Sinner could run into is Denis Shapovalov. And again... Maybe you can pick up the conversation we've just had about Nadi. He is talented, but...

I just can't see Shapovalov hurting Sinnoh, certainly over the best of five sets. The form that Shapovalov's been in since he had that good run earlier in the year has not been good. Shapovalov, I've heard, has planned his wedding for... US Open finals weekend which good luck to him like that's lovely he seems really happy they seem a lovely couple but it does that is a signal of who Denis Shapovalov is

now as a tennis player compared to five years ago when, you know, we were talking about him the way we talk about... Help me name a tennis player. We were certainly hyping the guy up. You know, Jakub Mensik, say, or... I mean, Jack Draper's moved to a height that Denis Shapovalov's never appeared, but we were hyping Denis Shapovalov and his potential. Anyway, have a lovely wedding. Lovely stuff. I think the biggest...

sinner-related thing today. It was actually nothing to do with the draw. Big time. It was the news that dropped just after that, reported by the Italian press, that he's part of company with his... fitness trainer and physiotherapist Marco Panice and Ulysses Badia, which is, you know...

Quite a significant thing, especially to happen on the eve of a Grand Sam tournament. You know, the timing of it is certainly... jolting you know it really felt odd so we obviously haven't had a chance to hear from Sinner yet and hopefully we'll be able to ask him about it in press tomorrow but that

That was the Sinner news that rocked me a bit today. Not the draw. I think the draw he can absolutely handle. There's nothing in there that makes me really worried about Yannick Sinner. But that news did shock me a bit. Yeah, for a guy that's so controlled and... meticulous and unchaotic something like that happening on the eve of a grand slam is out of character isn't it and look maybe it happened a while ago and the news is only

just broken. We saw it broken by Sky Italia. But still... But I'm pretty sure they were in Halle. Yeah, they were. I feel like there has to be a story there. Something's happened here. Maybe he won't tell us what's happened. Maybe it'll be a... Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray situation where they all talk about their deepening friendship. But something's happened there and that's not ideal. No, we weren't expecting to be speaking about that. The fact that we are.

Yeah, it tells you that there's a story and we've got to find out what it is. And it's kind of, it does add a bit of extra intrigue, doesn't it? Because frankly, I look at that Yannick's in a drawer and I just think, God, I don't think I'm going to be too...

Fussed about quite a lot of those matches that he ends up playing before he faces most likely, I don't know, maybe Ben Shelton or Lorenzo Mazzetti in that section. Ben Shelton is a disappointment on grass, isn't he? Yeah, look, he's had a rough...

Rough spell. I think he's lost his last three matches coming into Wimbledon this year. He played Sinner here last year. And look, often when he's played Sinner or Alkraza or Djokovic, he's had... moments, he's had set points in a lot of sets and often not been able to take them.

I think getting to the quarterfinals would be quite a run for Shelton here. I think there are players that I would probably expect to come through that section other than Shelton. Mazzetti obviously comes in with an injury. He hasn't played since that French Open semifinal.

He's been here, he's been hitting on the grass. He actually hit with Jack Draper on number one court a few days ago, I believe. And I'd be more interested to see Mazzetti, Sinner... on grass maybe than any other surface to be honest look Mazzetti's a wonderful clay court player but actually just match up wise I think that would have been pretty okay for Sinner on that surface but Mazzetti showed here at Wimbledon last year he's a great grass court player as well

lovely player on grass isn't he I hope he's fit me too desperately he will elevate this tournament he's actually somebody you'd go out to watch regardless of who he's playing particularly if he happened not to be on the biggest show court you could get up close maybe I mean if anybody's going to Wimbledon I'd seek that out to watch that game ground level yeah totally so Tommy Paul is also in the

Alex Sinner, section, obviously Queen's champion last year. He can definitely play on grass, but I don't look at that match and think big upset potential. I think it could be a tough match for Sinner, but I just back him. to come through it he's been so good at beating those sorts of players over the last 18 months or so so yeah those are my those are my sinner thoughts so everyone thinks sinner Djokovic is happening in the semis I do Me too. And everyone thinks Sin is winning it? Maybe not.

I think yes, I would think that at this stage. I'm not 100% sure that I'll think it on the eve of it. I think I'd reserve the right to change my mind based on how it's going. I remember the year that Alcaraz won this thing. There was a point. When he'd beaten, I remember he played Berrettini and I was really high on the chances of Berrettini taking out Alcaraz based on how Berrettini had beaten Zverev in the round before. And then suddenly Alcaraz provided a level that we hadn't seen yet.

On grass at all, I don't think. Certainly not at Wimbledon. Then I think he beat Holger Roona and he beat Daniel Medvedev. And going into that final... I just thought, actually, this feels so much closer now than I would have thought at the start of the tournament. And I feel like Djokovic has got that ability to start making you a believer. Going through the gears. Yeah.

Yeah, you have the right to change your mind, David. There it is. I'm giving it to you. OK, so that's the top half of the draw. Let's look at the bottom half of the draw. That's obviously where we find Carlos Alcaraz is the second seed. He would be scheduled to meet Holger Runa. in the quarterfinals. Runa being a top eight seed surprised me today. Where are those points coming from? I mean, I guess winning Barcelona, but I don't...

I don't think of him as a top eight player in the world at the moment. I mean, his top level competes with them for sure, but he's finding it all too rarely. So Alcaraz scheduled to face Roona in the quarters. It's a good draw for owl crowds, isn't it? The whole thing is, what did you call sinner's draw? Comfy? Like what's comfier than comfy?

Alcaraz's draw is a dream, I think. The seeds, you know, closest to him are Felix Orjali Asim, Stefano Sitspas and Andrei Rublev. Like, there's a world where... those players became what we thought they were going to become. And that's a really difficult draw. But they all feel like yesterday's men, really. And I think... I think Alcrest takes care of all of them extremely comfortably, especially on this surface. Even Holger Runa, who I wouldn't say yet is yesterday's man, but isn't...

really a threat to Carlos Alcruz. He's tomorrow's yesterday's man, isn't he? He still looks immature on the tennis court. Yeah. Like the way he lost to Roberto Bautista-Aguet's Queen's the other week. Yeah. I mean, that was so poor. Yeah, look, I'm a Holger and a believer and that really, that's tested me, that performance. I think the toughest name in Alcaraz's quarter for him.

is Francis Tiafoe if Tiafoe is playing like his best. Like we saw... The way he pushed him here last year, he's taken him to five sets at a couple of slams. He's able to rush Alcaraz, I think, in a way that some players aren't. But for Frances Tiafoe to get to that match, he's got to win four rounds here.

It feels like a tall order. He might have to go through the Queen's finalist, Yuri Lehekshka, who you would also have to say is, you know, a little bit tricky for Alcaraz. But generally, I'm looking at this and thinking that all the other big names that we've been... talking about heading into this Wimbledon are in the other half and this is just a land of a land of

real opportunity for Carlos Alcarez to just make his way through. And look, maybe that's the trap. Yeah, is it a land of Gertig van der Zandt's corpse? Right. Like, maybe if he's not heightened... Is it a land that's Tottenham?

Too many lands at Tottenham for Alcaraz. He can't afford to be thinking like that. No, he absolutely can't. He can't be having our sort of shit. Going back to Charlie Alcaraz. He'll be pleased with that. Charlie Eccleshare's theory about Carlos Alcaraz, which is that... no matter how dreamy he looked at Queen's, no matter what shape he's in and how young he is and how he's physically bounced back, there will come a match where the last month will...

catch up with him somehow and he'll be flat. He's more likely to be flat against... some of these names than he is if he had a he had a public to focus his mind in his section and being too loose which you can sometimes whenever I see him racing all over the court in the first three games and doing a tweener and putting his finger to his ear. I kind of think...

Actually, that's not it, really, at this stage of the match. You're supposed to just be dealing with these people. But the only one that I would really... worry for him against his Tiafoe in that section of the draw. Was it a year ago that Tiafoe gave his I've been losing to clowns line? I think so, yeah. Because the list of clowns has really got a lot longer.

in the last year I mean he's you know he still puts in like recently he's put in a few performances that have made me think oh you know it's still there that run at the French Open was decent you know he was good there but then He lost to Dan Evans last week, didn't he? And Dan Evans can play on the surface, but even so, there's a massive difference with Tiafoe between his ceiling and his floor.

That's always been the case. When he plays his best stuff, he is genuinely a threat to Carlos Alcaraz, and yet he can lose to pretty much any bloke in this draw. Again, I think it was that same press conference here last year where he basically told us Wimbledon in the US Open is what he plays tennis for, right? So judge me by this. So I will be looking out for... And look, that is sort of putting the pressure on himself to perform at those two events. But you would have to say that that...

these events have also brought out some of his best tennis over the years. You know, that run to US Open, semis that he's had, and the performance here against Alcaraz. Like, he can bring it, it's just kind of impossible to predict it at this stage, because it just feels... so far away right now. Last section to look at from the men's draw, the third quarter, the Fritz Zverev quarter. This is a bit of a nightmare for Alexander Zverev, I think.

A murderer's row, if you like. Right. I mean, three of the names that we always talk about as players who... know how to beat Alexander Zverev are Taylor Fritz, Daniil Medvedev and Francisco Sarundolo. And they were, I think, the three other first seeds to come out in that section. And they're in Alexander Zverev's section. Look, I think Surundalo is far less of a threat on the grass than he is on hard and on clay. So maybe you can take him out of it. But Medvedev...

has found a bit of form and beat Zverev last week. And Taylor Fritz, we know, loves playing Alexander Zverev. So comfortable in that matchup. So, look, the way the draws come out... Zverev wouldn't have to go through both Medvedev and Fritz. It would only be one of them. But the chances of him having to go through... at least one of them, feels quite high to me. I think either Fritz or Medvedev probably will get to the quarterfinals here.

and that's that's if Zverev makes it there because grass is not his favorite surface by any stretch of the imagination he's got He's got the very fun Artur Indekanesh in the first round. And he's dangerous. He can play on grass. It took Carlos Alcaraz to break his serve at Queen's last week. No one else did.

If he swings and he has a fun time, he can be dangerous. But I probably would expect Zverev to get through over the best of five sets. But absolutely, there's a lot of names here that Zverev wouldn't want to see in his section, I think. And on the flip side... That's a good draw for Taylor Fritz, who's had a rough period battling through injury. He's still going in Eastbourne, isn't he? And obviously won the title in Stuttgart or Halle?

Somewhere in Germany. Stuttgart. Stuttgart, yeah. Public one, Haller. Beatingsverev in the final, yeah, of course. I do question this schedule that he plays. I know he likes to play a lot of tennis, right? But to come... Into the grass court season. Play Stuttgart. Great. Won the title. Brilliant. Lost first round in Queens.

And then to play again in Eastbourne, to play all the weeks, and to be busy now over this weekend. I mean, great if he wins Eastbourne. Then to be playing Mpeshi Perikard, who I know he's not had a very good year, certainly not a very good... couple of months and and he's got this massive serve etc but

I'm not trying to work out, does this help Fritz to come in and play in Pericard and have kind of got his eye in, generally, having played a load of matches? Or is it that you turn up, your backdrop is completely different here to what it's been in Eastbourne? had many reps of practice i mean we're seeing we're seeing guys practice on the show courts here aren't we right now and getting used to the surroundings

he could get mugged by him in the first round. You know, you could just get caught out. And I'm really interested to see. I wouldn't be doing it that way if I were him. Yeah. The playing schedule of Taylor Fritz is interesting, isn't it? I know Andy Roddick is really... defended it and said, look, that is what he is comfortable with. That's what works for him. And I accept that. He's a grown-up. He's been around a long enough time that...

He can make his own decisions, obviously, but is that what works for him because that's what he's always done? You know, that doesn't mean that's the only thing that could ever work for him if he took himself out of his comfort zone. and tried new things. And maybe there would be a bump in the road to start with. Maybe it would be one step back to take two steps forward. I don't know. But it can't be a total accident that Grand Slam champions...

don't do it like that. They don't tend to play, unless in exceptional circumstances, they don't play the week before a slam. They certainly don't play all three weeks of grass leading up to Wimbledon. Yeah, I guess in this specific... Okay, he wins Stuttgart, he then goes to Queen's, and as you said, he loses so early there. If he's a guy who likes matches, which we know he is...

Because he lost early at Queen's, he's then suddenly like two weeks without a match coming into Wimbledon. So it's that trade-off, like two weeks without a match and you lost your most recent match or you get a week off kind of in the middle and then you... back load the schedule and play it and

play a load in Eastbourne as he has done and yes you risk fatigue but he's he is matched tight now I can I feel like maybe if he'd had a run at Queen's as well he would have pulled out of Eastbourne and it's so difficult on grass isn't it with a three week Basically, you need to do what Carlos Alcaraz does, don't you? Ibiza, win queens, practice week, Wimbledon. just be like ridiculous definitely easier to call us out yeah but like not everybody's in control of

of the winning and the losing in the way that Carlos Alcaraz is. I feel like all of my advice to tennis players is, why not go on a trip to Ibiza? Works for Carlos Alcaraz. OK, that is it for the men's draw. When pro defensive end Cam Jordan isn't running after quarterbacks, he's running his own businesses. He sat down with Microsoft's Jessica Hawk to learn how AI can help.

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On to the women's draw. They actually do the women's draw first, don't they? So there we were all settled in. It was like, bang, we're into it. Names are coming out of hats. Irina Sabalenka's name is there. And she's got a tough draw, Sabalenka. Let's just go through the projected quarterfinals by seedings for the women. We've got Sabalenka against Keys. We've got Jasmine Paolini, last year's finalist, of course, against Jung Chin Wen. We've got Jessica...

Pagula against Mira Andreva. And we have Igor Sviontek against Coco Gough. So we'll look at the bottom half separately. Let's start with Sabalenka, top seed, top of the draw.

I think this is extremely tough for Sabalenka, this route through to the latter stages, Matt. I do too. Look, she starts against Carson Brandstein, who may well be a name that a lot of people don't know. a name I'm not particularly familiar with myself I must say but coming out of qualifying was one of the most like intriguing names to me in the draw and she landed there to face the top seed Sabalenka intriguing because she was the one who beat

Lois Boisson in the first round of qualifying. She then backed it up by beating Bianca Andreescu. They're quite friendly, apparently, Andreescu and Brandstein. And then... She backs it up again by winning her final round of qualifying and getting through. And she talks a big game. You know, she talks about feeling like she's never really been outplayed in her life. And...

I was speaking to a few people at our live show last night who were at qualifying and they were like, she's got a big sort of big powerful weapon there, likes to hit her forehand. I get the feeling she can really go in and out of matches, but when she's on, she's dangerous. So I'm just, look, I'm not...

I'm not expecting her to beat Irina Sabalenka. I'm absolutely not. But it's intriguing to me, that match. However, there are then some names that I think really are dangerous for Sabalenka. Potential third round against... Marketa Vondrosheva or McCartney-Kessler. I think Vondrosheva would probably be tougher of those two. Beat her in Berlin, has a game that can just mess her up more than Kessler can.

Also, Lina Svitolina is lurking in the fourth round, playing so well this year, really reliable. You feel like she'll probably get there. And then Madison Keyes in the quarterfinal, who personally I think is right up there with... with the favourites to win this title. So I look at that, and if all of those matches come off, and look, they may well not, but if she did have to play all of these players one after the other, that's a massive test for Sabalenka.

David? I love it. I love this section of the draw. This was the first section of the draw that we had at the official draw this morning, and it just felt like it got off with a bang. Everybody was really pumped, and there were a lot of noises coming out. this section as well, particularly because of Vondrosova, I feel like. Everybody knows... They might not have the name Dormant Volcano for it that Matt has invented, but everybody knows this is the woman who two years ago went and won the thing.

and nobody had been talking about her going in. She hasn't won a title since, and then she goes and wins one last week. And it was a reminder, and everybody knows she could knock out any single player in this draw, and that includes Sabalenka. And suddenly she's in there against a seed. I mean, Pam again next to me was like, oh. No, an American seed has got Von Dresch. So it's Kessler Von Dresch of a round one, isn't it? Yeah, that's the first round.

Nottingham last week. Yeah, and who likes the surface and is good on it and has a really competitive attitude. She's always in there. It's a bit like when we watch Peyton Stern, you think here's somebody who's just showing up every single point and giving... It's college energy. Yeah, it's college energy. And Carson Brandstein, she's another player that's been through the college system, college in Texas. And the other thing, Catherine, was that...

The winner of that was to play Raducanu or Zhu from Great Britain. So again, the room is just full of... the intrigue over all this. But from a Sabalenka perspective, the names you've reeled off there, the fact that it could be a Vondrosseva in the third round, the fact that it is quite an interesting first round just... generally because not that many people know about carson brunstein but she's been doing stuff to get here um and then you've you've got these potential fourth rounding

quarterfinal matches before you even start talking about a semifinal. I like that. I want to see Sabalenka. I love Sabalenka as a champion. I love the fact that she's going out there to show everybody that she's the one.

And there are lots of obstacles in a way, and I want to see her try to navigate that. She practiced with Coco Gough today, Irina Sabalenka, on Centre Court, Matt? Yes, that's right. They hired the only person you could possibly hire to do the interview and the chat with them as they were hitting the Pamela Howard Shriver.

Straight off the back of our live show with us last night. So she was primed. She was warmed up. Exactly. Very warm indeed. And she asked them the questions that you would want. asked you know given that off the back of that Roland Garros final when Sabalenka gave those comments you know really Really throwing quite a lot of shade at Coco Gauff, quite frankly, in terms of that performance in that Roland Garros final. Pam kind of went there and asked how they are. And Pam absolutely...

100% thinks that there's absolutely no problem between them. Like, they've practiced together before. They're practicing together now. They had a bit of jokey back and forth between them about the whole situation, which I think is going to be going up on the official Wimbledon channels. People will be able to watch the exchanges that they had. And, you know...

Fair play, really. I think maybe the message that Sabalenka has sent Goff has just cleared any air that there was. That totally checks out with what we know about Coco Goff, doesn't it? You can totally imagine her going, she's apologised, it's fine, I get it, we're all human, I'm a grown-up.

up let's move on yeah I'd be holding that grudge for 25 years but Coco's a bigger person than me yeah yeah so really interesting yeah okay and I think I think that's actually quite big for Sabalenka mentally because those it took her a few days didn't it she initially did the notes app the notes app kind of diffusing statement of like she acknowledged it she acknowledged it wasn't you know didn't quite go far enough but at least it was something and then she went to berlin and gave this

quotes to Eurosport Germany and they really work and try weren't they she totally owned it and I can imagine it actually has troubled her quite a bit. The fact of it, the fact of the unsportsmanlike comments, but also how they were received. I saw a lot of... chat show clips of Coco Gough doing the rounds in the US of the high profile chat shows and they were all asking her about the unsporting things that

her opponent had to say about her after the final and people really dragging Sabalenka for that. So I can imagine that probably has affected her and it's quite big emotionally for that to feel properly put. put to bed. And yeah, Coco Gauff, what a grown up. How can she be like the most mature tennis player on tour at 21? Absolutely outrageous. So that is the top quarter of the draw. The second quarter is the Paulini Jung quarter.

that I think Matt might want to call the Anisimova quarter. With the... caveat that of course therefore I am underestimating Jasmine Paolini which we must never do especially in these seats you did it to me in the Wimbledon draw Matt I did you said I like the You said the word semi-finals. So don't you go claiming not to underestimate Jasmine Paolini. I'm going to say it live on air right now. I think if Amanda Nissanova beats Yulia Putin's saver, she's reaching the semis.

I like this draw for her. I think there's a lot of players there who maybe aren't in the best form. or they're players against whom she can really take the initiative. You know, Jung Shin Wen, as we know, is in this quarter. Well, she's finally got a win over Jung Shin Wen.

And it was on grass. It was only a couple of weeks ago. Look, that would be a tough match if it were to happen. But, yeah. The problem, however, is Julia Poussin's save up. I was going to say, how big an if is the if in your prediction? Massive.

I think it's massive because Putin's favor has beaten Igor Shviontek here. She... she relishes opportunities to kind of get under people's skin and mess up the narrative mess up the narrative throw them off their game and Anissimova can get quite down on herself she can get quite sort of annoyed with an opponent she also can get drawn into aggro there was no Draver aggro in Miami

Yeah, and look, she ended up playing really well in that match. Sometimes that can be a good thing for Anissa Mova. Putin's save us already in a feud at the moment with Roya Zachary. Yeah, she's ready for another one. Excellent. Okay, so do you... So it's round one loss or semi-final? Yeah. But I'm going to go semi-final. Of course I am. So who's Paolini losing to? Anissa Mova. I mean, you thought he was pumped on draw day. Imagine what he'd be like on semifinals day.

What do you think about that prediction, David? Ridiculous. I can't believe Matt's gone for a more outlandish prediction than David. You wouldn't get me underestimating Jasmine. Certainly not on this bench. No. Not again. I don't feel strongly like you do, that if Anna Samova wins that match that she's in the semis. I don't feel like there's enough evidence of her winning enough.

You know, I love watching her play. I mean, she's one of my favourite watches. I love the backhand as much as anybody except you. Look, I absolutely take that point. She's... She has been to a Grand Slam semi-final before, but it was a very long time ago, back in 2019. We haven't seen stringing wins together like that at a slam.

She has been doing it on tour a lot more. You know, she's reached three semifinals this season. She won a title, which I think involved winning six matches in a row. This is a high seeding, I think. Exactly, yeah. She's at her career high ranking. There is a... There is a difference to Anissa Mova this year, and I'm banking on that making the difference. The people in this...

Lower part, though, this lower quarter. Of the top half, so the second quarter. Yeah, yeah. Look, it's open, isn't it? There is an opportunity there. I mean, Jung is there. Yeah, exactly. She could play a Sark around two. I feel like you're writing a few too many off there, Matt. He's not writing off, he's just believing. Thank you. I couldn't possibly have said that any better. Okay, let's move on to the...

bottom half. I actually want to start with the very bottom, the fourth quarter, the Igor Shiontek-Coco Goff quarter. Now, in a few minutes' time, we'll talk about the events that are happening this week and the fact that Igor Shiontek is in... a first grass court final and I realised whilst watching the draw today that I'm suddenly like

We're in a really... In fact, I realised a little bit last night at the live show, we're in totally new territory with Iga Svantec. I've barely heard her name mentioned. This time, look... This time last year, nobody was expecting her to win Wimbledon. She's always had a lot to prove on grants. I think I might have said she would. Did she? I think I've said Iguerite will win... Wimbledon at least three times and I've said she'll win several of the Grand Slams that she didn't.

It doesn't look great for me at the moment. She's had patches in her career where you look at her and you think, how could she ever lose? She's had those streaks. I see her when this is what happens. We come here and she's just won Roland Garros every time. And I just think, well, why would she not be able to carry this forward?

She runs into Alize Cornel, or she runs into Alina Svitolina, or last year it was Julia Putinsaver. But you're right, I'm not thinking about her in those terms now. I wonder what impact that'll have on her. I wonder if maybe it'll be a positive one. I think it could well be. I said this at the live show last night. She's either come into a slam over the last three years as strong favourite to win it.

Or as kind of the most intriguing name in terms of can she figure this out and show the level that we know she has. Here she comes in genuinely under the radar with an eight next to her name. It's so weird seeing that. She's the same seeding as Holger. That's a blow, isn't it? Incredible. But the problem is a draw. Because, look.

A potential third-round opponent is Danielle Collins, and that's tricky for her, I think. A potential fourth-round opponent for her is Elena Rabakina, and that's a big problem, I think, especially on this surface. As great as Fiontech is, and as much as I'm a bit of a believer in that, being under the radar, maybe helping her, and she's not coming in off, you know...

winning role on Garros this time, and she's won some matches on the grass this week. That match-up on this surface, I find it hard to look at her draw beyond that, quite frankly. I think she could play well and lose to Rebecca. Will Rebecca get there? She seems unreliable at the moment. Would that be fair? Yes, that would be fair. Her sort of biggest obstacle is probably Clara Towson. David.

always feel like those words go together I don't think Rebecca is going to have a problem getting there personally I know why you say that it makes sense given the record she's had I think we're going to get Sviantik against Rabakina I want to see that I mean that's again same with Sabalenka I think that there is From just a sort of experience perspective and an event, this is a great draw. Spectacles everywhere. Koko Gough, the second seed, starts against Diania Stremska.

Was it Madrid they played? One of the worst matches of the whole year? Just awful. So they've played three times, all of them on clay, and Goff's won every time. But yes, they played in Madrid, just a... month ago you know a couple of months ago and then they played in they played in Paris yeah and it was in Madrid your strength score on the first set six left like absolutely wild and the thing I would say there is Madrid

with those faster conditions, like, that was a problem for Coco Gauff, and it was her first match in the tournament, you know, like it's going to be here. And Pam... And Stromskis had a decent run in Eastbourne. This week she's got matches. And Pam was saying today, you know, Vekic played Jastrzemska last year. It was a tough out. Very tough out. When she's playing well, we know how dangerous she is. The thing is...

For her to keep it up against Coco Goff just feels very difficult. So I do back Goff to get through it, but... There are absolutely names that Goff would have, I think, rather seen than Jastrzemska. Big flatheader of the ball when she's not had that much time on the grass coming off the Roland Garros win. And then there are other...

big flat hitters of the ball in there as well. And the one I'm really looking at is Sophia Kennan, who herself has an interesting first round match against Taylor Townsend. But if Kennan were to get through to the third round... She's beaten Coco Gauff on these courts. I think that's a bit tricky for Gauff, I do. Yeah, absolutely, I agree. Azarenka, incidentally, I know she's in pretty rough form. Do you see the double...

Double no-look handshake with Fiontek the other day. When neither of them, they were both looking in the opposite direction. You must show me that clip. I think there were words exchanged with the umpire in that match as well. There is no love lost there. at all. Okay, so that is the bottom quarter of the draw. Now looking at the top of the bottom half, so the third quarter. This is where we find Jessica Bergula, who's into the final in Bad Homburg. She will face Igor Shiontek.

is where we find Mira Andreva. It is also where we find Queen's champion Tatiana Maria, a potential second round opponent for Jessica Pagula. Thoughts and feelings, everyone. I just hope we see that match. But I don't feel that confident that it happens because I don't know what Tatiana Maria is going to be like here.

She lost in the first round last week. She's not won that many matches at Wimbledon overall, even though she's got to the semifinals. But I really hope it does happen because I'm fascinated to see, particularly given... Pegula got knocked out by Lois Poisson at the French Open. I think there is potential to cause a trouble with that. And also thinking about the match she lost to Vondrosheva here.

Bless you, David. The match you lost to Von Drosheva here and the way that she kind of disrupted her and junked her up. Yeah, look, I... I don't know if that was the reason she lost that match, that she was in control of it. It was a roof situation, wasn't it? It was a roof situation. I actually think Pagoula generally, it was why the Boisson match was such a surprise to me, because I do think Pagoula's... hands and sort of slice is actually extremely underrated I think she can handle that

If she's in the right mindset, she wasn't in the right mindset against Boisson. It was a whole scene with the crowd. It won't be like that here against Tatiana Maria if they were to face. But look, she's coming off a week playing a lot of matches. quick turnaround to come here it's not ideal it's absolutely not ideal for Pagula Round one matches of note in this section. Barbara Krejcikova, the defending champion, will open against Alexandra Ayala. More on her in a moment. Petra Kvitova.

Of course, playing in her last Wimbledon, the two-time former champion, she will open against Emma Navarro, which I think helps the tournament out with scheduling of that match. That can have a big court, maybe centre court. I certainly wouldn't be complaining. You know, I would...

I'd be really pleased to see that. But I hope it's certainly one of the two. Yeah, I mean, of course, that is on... Tuesday. Yeah, and that's the day when we know that Krejcikova will be on centre court, opening it up on the Tuesday. that you know if you maybe they will and I absolutely wouldn't complain either but that would be putting you know Petra Kvitter on centre court over Igor Svantec or Coco Goff like

You know, I think maybe the fact that Craig Chicova has to play on centre court there makes that scheduling a little bit harder for the tournament there. That's true. But, you know... I agree with you that it should get a big court. Certainly one of the top three, I think. It's the Jack Draper and Novak Djokovic day as well, isn't it? Obviously with Wimbledon.

because we know the men's defending champion opens Monday and the women's opens Tuesday. As soon as the draw is done, you know who is playing on what day. So it'll be the men's bottom half playing on Monday and the top half playing Tuesday.

the reverse of that with the women. So, oh, there is a lot to look forward to. And the only other sort of match in this little section that I would... give a nod to is Karolina Mukova against Wang Jinyu who played so well in Berlin and actually all of the all of the sort of tricky checks

Mukova, Vondrosheva, Krejcikova. They're all in that section. Well, they've all got tough first rounds, I think. You know, Vondrosheva's got Kessler, Krejcikova in that section's got Ayala, and Mukova's got Wang Jinyu. Like, that...

I think, you know, the Czechs have done so well here, obviously, over the years, and they're all great players, they're all comfortable on this surface, but they've all been just dealt a tough hand there. That was just something that sort of jumped out to me from the draw. When pro defensive end Cam Jordan isn't running after quarterbacks, he's running his own businesses. He sat down with Microsoft's Jessica Hawk to learn how AI can help.

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Okay, I feel like we should turn our attention just a little bit to what's been happening. This week, in the events that have been happening this week, we've got the 500-level event happening in Bad Homburg, where Iger Schwiontek is into the final huff first. grass court final she beat jasmine paulini today 6-1 6-3 she's beaten katerina alexandrovich she's beaten victoria azarenka all in straight sets she'll now play jessica bagula who

about an hour ago, beat Linda Nozkova in three sets. This result and just the whole situation around Shontek that we've just discussed. It's really, really intriguing me in terms of Shontek and Wimbledon. Yeah, because... I wonder whether she's playing without pressure to some degree for the first time in a long time here.

I mean, I think many times she's come in here actually just playing exhausted, hitting the wall against Elisa Corne on court number one over there. We were there for that, and she suddenly just couldn't. couldn't play anymore really she could she'd had enough tennis she was on that incredible run and what was it 30 odd matches and that was that was the end point and i think that that's kind of happened two or three years in a row plus

You know, she wins Roland Garros and then she doesn't really play much in between, if at all. So I love the fact that she's actually playing this week and that she's reached. reach the final. I think that's really cool. And I hope it means something different for her. Pigouli's a real test, isn't she? I feel like...

We'll know even more after tomorrow and that final against Bagula. In Eastbourne, on the WTA side of things, we've got... a fascinating final I know we've got a busy day tomorrow with various different interviews and press conferences but I'm going to make sure I'm able to watch this WTA final between 20-year-old Alexandra Ayala and 19-year-old Maya Joint. Ayala is the first Filipina player in history to reach a WTA final. She came through qualies in Wimbledon.

Quali's in Nottingham last week. She's drawn Barbora Krejcikova in round one here. So she knows she's playing Tuesday. She knows she's opening centre court on Tuesday. This is going to be the youngest title match. this final in Eastbourne in combined age terms since 1981 when 18-year-old Tracy Austin triumphed over 16-year-old Andrea Jaeger. Going back to my childhood here.

This is the first year I ever watched Wimbledon. She... Alexandra Ayala, flat-hitting lefty. It makes sense, doesn't it? Oh, for sure. Ayala on a grass court. Yeah. Absolutely. Look, it's a constant source of fascination to me how she makes the serve work, because... It's really not a great serve. I'm always expecting players to be able to kind of dominate it. But if she can protect it, which she does seem to have ways to do, her ability to...

as you say, hit flat off both wings, take the ball early, take the ball up the line. She's a real problem. And look, we've seen lefties do well on grass. and at Wimbledon over the years. That, I think, is a small advantage that she has as well. And she's up against someone on the backhand watch list in my joint. She is...

You don't feel peer pressured into that decision because a lot of people message you about my joint and the backhand list. And usually that turns you off a player. Yeah, I don't... I don't give in to peer pressure when it comes to the backhand list. Absolutely not. Everything else, yes. She's got their own merit. Absolutely. It's a hell of a shot. Yeah. That's a fun final, isn't it? It is. I love these. Yeah.

20 years old, 19 years old. Joints already won a title. She won a Claycourt title, didn't she, in Rabat? Just five weeks ago. So, yeah, I think Australia are right to be excited about my joint. In the ATP final in Eastbourne, we've got semifinals between Taylor Fritz and Alejandro Davidovich for Kina.

back from his wedding well Mr Vidovich for Kina and we've got Ugo Mbair against Jenson Brooksby again Brooksby makes sense to me on grass he got handily taken care of by Jack Draper at um at Queens last week but um Ugo and Bear and Brooksby that's a that's a nice grass court matchup isn't it but I mean

Fritz is kind of an Eastbourne specialist, isn't he? Yeah, he's going for his fourth. Yeah, rocks up there, wins the title. And over in Majorca, David, Quarantan Moutet is in the semi-finals. What time?

Uh... Don't know. I think possibly now. But I think possibly we are live on air during Quarantamute against Alex Mickelson. Confirmed. He's setting a break up. Good lad. It's bad news for your interview request because I don't think he's going to be available to speak to you tomorrow. Well...

It'll still stand the next day. You'll be available whenever... Yeah. Quarantine's done... Quarantine wants me. Done winning. I'll be there. He will face... Well, if he wins, he will face Talon Greek's paw. Actually, I had my... Pronunciation of Greeks, no.

Greeks, poor, I'm doing right. I did get some pointers on my Dutch pronunciation last night at the live show from a Dutch listener. But that didn't go down well. No, it did. She was lovely about it. She said, you do so well with van der Zanschulp. I wouldn't want you to let yourself down. with the other names. Dieder de Chut rather than Chut. It's O rather than U and Anik van Chut. Oh, very good. So there we go. Talon Greeks, Paul.

Poor rather than poor. Oh, I'm not going to be able to pull this off. I think you were saying it right anyway. I was doing Greek's poor, right? Yeah. But Anik van Koot and Dida de Koot. I've made some adjustments there. I'm learning and growing. So Greeks pour into the final, potentially to face Quarantine Mute, pending an Alex Mickelson fight back. Media Day, as we've alluded to, is tomorrow.

We've had a number of interview requests accepted already, David. I've got big news here. Have we? Yeah. You're having a chat with Beatrice at Ajmeyer tomorrow. Oh, great. That's excellent news. Many weeks in...

Yes. In the making. I requested Beatrice in... This all makes it sound like she's just been, you know... I don't want to speak to him. But at Roland Garros, I requested her. And then I think there were so many interview requests. You know, there's a lot of... media that follow the Brazilian players and so I didn't get to speak to her on media day in Roland Garros and then they said but she's already said yes if she wins the first round She didn't win the first round.

So that one didn't happen. This acceptance is not results dependent, David. So yeah, having a chat with Beatrice at Adjamiya tomorrow. We're going to do another Tennis Podcast Meets. We're all going to speak to various different players. We're also going to go to all the big press conferences.

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but it is guaranteed not to be before 9.30pm. So you can be on alert from 9.30pm, but don't worry, you can relax from that point onwards. I think it's fair to say that we're pumped. about Wimbledon 2025. Just a bit. I'm not going to complain about the weather because I know I complained about it being freezing cold and raining all the way through Wimbledon last year and now we've got a situation where it's going to be 35 degrees.

on Monday and if I complain about that as well then I'll be I'll be giving the Brits a bad name but Please cut me some slack if I'm a sweaty mess on Monday's show. No, we are thrilled to be here. We're thrilled to be in this incredible position. And it's going to be a great fortnight. Hello to Phoebe, my mascot. I've just seen Priyanka pop up in the chat and say Phoebe says hi. So I say hi right back, Priyanka. Hello to Maisie, David's mascot. And hello.

to Roger with his big lovely paws David's mascot of course hello to Greg Chris and Jeff our executive producers and all around top folks Matt we have some shout outs we do we have two shout outs tonight

The first for Sally-Ann Dunn from Tunbridge Wells. Hello, Sally-Ann. Hi, Sally-Ann. And Sally says she loved attending the live show just before Wimbledon. last year and at the time of writing her shout out she was hoping that there would be another one this year so hopefully hopefully Sally-Anne was there last night A bit awkward if she wasn't. Like Katie Dunn, a British player. Very good, yes. From about 10 years ago. Doesn't she still play? Does she still play? I think so.

Maybe he's in the drawer. I don't think so. Sally-Anne, if you came last night, I hope you had a nice time. And if you didn't, that's fine too. No pressure. There were a few of those. He or she's in the draw moments today, but not involving Katie Dunn. Yeah, definitely involving other British players, though.

I learned what Jack Pennington-Jones looks like today at the Wimbledon draw. What a treat. And then the final name to come out of the draw was Fabio Fanini, drawn against Carlos Alcraz. That was the closest to an ooh-la-la, actually. Everyone just laughed. Most of it was laughter. I saw Fanini earlier actually he looked pretty relaxed about his final Wimbledon isn't he this is it for him

Yeah. Well, he'll get sent to court as well. Yeah. Guaranteed. And our second and final shout out tonight is actually a bark out. Because it's from presenter mascot Maisie. Yeah, go on Maisie. To her owner Christy. And Maisie says, for taking such good care of me, including daily walks, regular feedings, and a tasty chew bone. Plus, I get to sit with Christy on her recliner to watch matches on a daily basis.

I'm proud to be David Law's mascot. Yes, Maisie. And I enjoy hearing my name at the end of every podcast show. So do I. Maisie's got such a good head tilt on her. And I believe for those watching live on YouTube. right now I am distracted by Maisie right now shout out Vicky for running the ones and twos on the live show absolutely yeah shout out Vicky shout out Jake thank you to everybody that's helping us throughout these live shows shows...

I love being live. It's great. It's awesome. I love it. Thank you to everybody that joins in the live chat. We're going to have that running throughout this fortnight, folks. We're going to be back tomorrow at 7pm UK time to talk about... Everybody that you've spoken to in the press conference room just through there. We are proudly part of the Athletic Podcast Network. Thank you for listening today and we hope to see you tomorrow. Bye for now.

Heather is a nurse practitioner from UnitedHealthcare. We meet patients wherever they live. During a house call, she found Jack had an issue. Jack's blood pressure was dangerously high. It was 217 over 110. So they got Jack to the hospital and got him the help he needed. He had had a stent placed in his heart, preventing a massive heart attack.

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