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abominable in Indian Wells today. The schadenfreude my parents will be experiencing seeing the weather forecast today in Indian Wells after their... 20-year trauma of their lifelong dream of a trip to Indian Wells being scuppered by... The worst rains that the California desert has ever seen. That was back in 2005, I think. They're still not over it. Yes, the second worst rains the California desert has ever seen are scheduled for quarterfinal days.
in Indian Wells so all the matches are probably going to take place David in the middle of the night our time and at the same time because so outrageous now I mean it's rude you know it's rude to us being here on this time zone.
and most of the time I'm complaining about schedule because we're playing tennis in the middle of the night when I'm in the country that it's being played in, and now I'm going to complain about it being played in the middle of the night when it's in my country, because... I just only care about me. It's annoying, isn't it? Because generally, I think Indian Wells does scheduling really well when they're not scuppered by external forces, Matt. Yeah, and they've been...
They've been quite scuppered this tournament by those forces. You know, I mean, they're on time, but there's been a lot of rain, a lot of wind that we're kind of not really...
that used to seeing in so-called tennis paradise. I must say, like, I feel like Indian Wells has been going on for so long already as we already... you know as we always experience with these with these long masters 1000 events and yet like we still end up with a schedule where if you want to win the tournament potentially from one side of the draw you have to
play like four matches in five days right at the end like it like the i do think indian world schedules its tournament better than a lot of the other masters 1000s like i think it's good that the finals are on the same day for example but You still get a very imbalanced schedule where it's like a lot of not very much. And then suddenly it all happening all at once. And yeah, it's it's a lot like we've still got. the meat of this tournament to happen and yet it's been going on for so long.
Let's start with the WTA. The quarterfinals that we have are Irina Sabalenka against Lyudmila Samsonova, Madison Keyes against Belinda Bencic, Mira Andreeva against Alina Svisalina and Iga Shiontek against... Jung, Chin, Wen. Where would we like to start? Who, David, has impressed you the most out of those eight players so far in the tournament?
Well, I suppose it's impossible not to answer Igish Fiontek because of the sheer number of games she's lost. I mean, there have been non-events, matches that I really... was hyping up between her and Karolina Mukova, for instance, just weren't matches, you know, because she just renders them so. She just destroys people when she's in this form. But usually...
She'll often run into somebody else then who's playing really well, who'll make a match of it, and then it becomes difficult. So she's fascinating, but... I would still have to say Mira Andreva because of the manner in which she is transforming herself before our eyes this year. She is...
going from promising young player with loads of talent, the one player in the top 100 is a teenager, all of these things, but it's more than that. She suddenly looks like a contender everywhere. She looks like she's looking at... the other top players and thinking you're all beatable by me because
I actually realise this level is in me. The power is in me. And I'm not scared of your power anymore. She used to look like she'd been... rattled by what they could do at sort of senior level at the top of the game and that's gone and I'm sure her work with Conchita Martinez is a big part of that there just seems such a comfort at this level now and I mean she beat
Elena Rybakina 6-1, 6-2. And I realised that was an error fest from Rybakina. But it takes two players to produce that sort of scoreline. Yeah, one and two. I was startled when I woke up to that. school line yesterday morning I think it was Matt and it happened in the middle of the night for us I've watched highlights in fact I've watched the highlights twice because
As I say, that scoreline was just so startling. I'm desperate to get a sense of what happened. And I found some extended highlights. And yes, it was an error fest from Elena Rabatkinner. But, you know... There is a school of thought that, you know, there is no such thing as an unforced error. Like how many of those errors do you think happened in a vacuum and how much of it was induced by Mir Andrava?
Or is that an impossible question to answer potentially? Well, due to the lack of full replays available to us here, like it is hard for us to be exactly sure. I think... Honestly, I've been kind of surprised all year by how well Rabatkinner has actually been playing, considering everything that's been going on and the fact that, you know...
Vukov has been banned and all that we know about that situation. I've actually been surprised at how good Rebecca's results have been. Look, she's not been winning the titles, but she's been a really tough out. as they say, and she's been losing to players in great form. You know, Benchik in Abu Dhabi, Keyes at the Australian Open, Shwiątek in Doha and Draver in Dubai. These were all top players. And she's lost to another top player here.
in Andreva, but an extremely one-sided scoreline, which is very different to her other losses this year. What I would say is that even if Rabakino is playing well, as David said, Andreva now has got the ability to cause her problems because... Even in the points that I have seen in this match, you can see that... And Drava can do some things to disrupt Rabakina. She can make a lot of returns, number one. Rabakina didn't hit an ace in this match. And Drava's just neutralising that serve.
occasionally using a little slice, whether it be off the backhand, whether it be off the forehand, just to put the ball in a little bit of an awkward spot, give herself time. And now she's got such a punch of her own, Andreeva. I mean... You know, she's handling the power better. She's got her own power.
We are absolutely monitoring the Mira Andreva backhand situation. It's always been a very good one. It was exceptional in this match. Down the line, so many winners. Really, really liked what... she's doing on that shot or always have done but it seems to have got even better and you know she's playing with so much confidence as well having having just won the biggest title of her career and carried it through
She did a similar thing to Clara Towson, who is a player in a similar mould to Rabakina in terms of exceptional ball striker. And yet Andreva kind of... carved her up in that match and put the ball in difficult situations had a punch of her own it really feels like to go back to your question this was It was a lot of both. It was Rabatkaner being way off it, 31 unforced errors compared to just four winners. This was not a good Rabatkaner performance, but I do think...
You know, she was having to push because Andreeva was giving her nothing. And it was really, really impressive. And I think the matchup now I'm desperate to see, whether it be at this tournament or another one, is Andreeva Sabalenka. Because Sabalenka has been the problem player for Andreeva. She's been the one that she's never really been able to... to get to grips with other than when Sabalenka was compromised at Roland Garros. When Sabalenka's been healthy, she's had like...
too much power and too much game for Andreva. And it's been pretty one-sided. But you just get the feeling that with the steps that Andreva's made in these last few months, that matchup would look a lot different now. So that's... I think that feels like the next big situation that I want to see Androva in, like coming up against peak Sabalenka again. Very anxious moments for Victoria Golubich.
right now if someone else is on backhand list watch. I imagine she'd be the first out, would she? She's not even on. Oh, crikey. Is it Anna Bogdan? I do get them confused. Is it Anna Bogdan? Yeah. Can you just run through them quickly again so that we can just have our own view on what... Well... Who looks vulnerable? The list is Anisimova, Benchic, Gough, Rabakina, Bogdan. as it stands. And I would say that at this point, Anisimova, Benchik and Gough are absolutely locked in.
Bogdan and maybe to a lesser extent Rebecca can I feel a little bit more susceptible so I think Andreva is coming for one of those spots Don't do it to Bogdan. It's probably top of her CV at this point in her career. Just on Rebecca, your analysis there, which I totally agree with, like, is this a surprising result or has her sort of lack of... results like this so far this year been been actually what's surprising when you zoom out makes me think of something
Goran said to me in Australia about Rebecca, he said she's just so talented. She can be top 10. She will be top 10, almost certainly, health permitting, I suppose. But she'll be top 10 regardless of... of what's going on in her life. She's that good, but she will never be world number one with what's going on because you just can't cheat that. Kind of everything has to be right, no matter how talented you are, to be achieving that. She's got Alina Svitolina.
next, whose tennis I haven't had a chance to watch a whole lot of from Indian Wells. Again, highlights, but her story in Indian Wells is really... really taken me. I mean, I think it would have been...
completely legitimate for Alina Svitolina and any of the Ukrainian players, frankly, given the timing, to have not gone to Indian Wells, to have not gone to America for this swing. You know, the time that they were travelling out to Indian Wells was... pretty much on the day or around the day of Donald Trump's meeting with Vladimir Zelensky at the White House, which was, you know, you don't need...
You don't need me to tell you how that went and how humiliating it was for Zelensky and the Ukrainian people. I would have completely respected and understood Ukrainians simply not wanting to travel to the US. But there she is, Alina Svitolina, and I think she's pretty bowled over by the support that she's received from the American public. And I think it's fair to say that while... While California is a democratic state, like Palm Springs is...
It feels like maybe a bit of a Republican oasis, that area in the Democratic Sea of California. I hope I'm not speaking out of turn. Please tell me if I'm wrong. strong Californians or locals, but that's certainly the impression I get in Palm Springs. And yet she has been absolutely awash with vociferous support from the American... the American crowds, David. And, you know, she and all the Ukrainians are always playing with this incredible burden on their shoulders. And that is just...
Somehow that has found a way in this extraordinary world we live in to be amplified just at the moment. And it continues to get me. It really makes me emotional. If anything, Svitilina seems to almost be playing better now than before the war started. And I don't know how she does that. I don't know how she, because she's made it very clear how much it affects her.
Of course it affects her, but she doesn't hide it. She's able to compartmentalise, it appears, on the court. And her actual tennis is incredible right now. I was watching some of the matches she played against Pagoula. And the set, the first set that Pegula won 7-5, I mean, Svitolina was right there at the end, kind of...
playing outrageous tennis to stave off set points and keep in there. And I'm thinking this is taking everything that Pagoula's got to get over the line in this set that she has this numerical advantage in at the moment. And I assumed, therefore, when I went to bed, that would have been late here, I went to bed at that point expecting to wake up to a very standard Jessica Begula 6-3 set to have won the match.
I didn't watch the next two sets, but the scoreline in those two sets, I mean, Switzerland lost, I think, three games in the next two sets. And that is jarring. And it tells you... Well, it could tell you a couple of things, but I definitely think it tells you that Svisalina is playing some serious stuff and is a threat now. You know, the beauty of the last eight that we have, I think, is that...
There are some players that are sort of finding their form again, like Jung Chin Wen. But they all feel like they're not there by any sort of accident. There's no sort of retirements. and straightforward wins through other than for players that are playing absolutely top tenors in their careers, you know, in their worlds. And I think Svitolina is doing that. So, yeah, it is great. I'm really in...
I'm really enthused that she is getting that sort of support because it could have gone another way, I suppose, and it hasn't. And particularly because she's faced three Americans, you know, as the way the draw... has worked out with all that context that you've given Catherine it was as you said it wouldn't have been surprising if she hadn't even opted to go to America and yet she does and she
She gets this draw of three straight Americans and she talks about how... I don't think she holds anything personally against those players, but is she even... extra motivated to win like she's kind of like yes I am and to then know that she's received great support with all that context and going up against Americans I think has been has been really heartening as well and
she's now got andreva of russia like it's just an extremely like heavy draw for alina svitolina and yet and yet she's handled it just so well i'm just just as Like both of you, just completely full of admiration. And she's been really good this year, actually. I did wonder whether...
It was a bit of a struggle last year at times. There was a few injuries in there, but actually she's playing really good stuff this year. She took Madison Keyes to three sets at the Australian Open. One of her other losses this year was Pagoula. She's now a Venge.
that loss like it's she's had a really good level all season and yeah it's great to see The winner of Andreeva Svitlina plays the winner of Svantec against Zheng Chen Wen, which is their first meeting, the first meeting between these two players since that. Olympics semi-final at Roland Garros last year. I'm pumped for this. I might even wake up in the middle of the night for it. In fact...
I'm going to wake up in the middle of the night for it. I think that's maybe already locked in. It's been an important tournament, hasn't it, for Xingqin when she needed this form. She needed to find some form and it does seem like she has, Matt. Yes, I think so. Probably not a coincidence that Perry Reba is back. He obviously had to miss the start of the season.
I think he had surgery, didn't he, which meant that he couldn't travel. But he's back and I just think looks a lot more settled. You know, we know how successful that partnership's been. And obviously she had a...
She had a, I think, very busy off-season and just kind of... maybe wasn't quite ready for the start of the season had had a little injury as well but it's just kind of got over all that and and has now has now found her rhythm again very very interesting how this one goes because you know obviously
getting a win over Igor Svantec. OK, it wasn't at the tournament, Roland Garros, but it was at the site, Roland Garros, where Svantec has been pretty unbeatable for the last few years. And I think that was a pretty... sort of scarring loss for Yves Fiont. You know, she hasn't won a title kind of since the French Open last year. And it did seem that that loss just slightly sort of knocked her off.
off her tracks a little bit. Like, once again, Igor Sviontek has shown up at this tournament and been, as David said, so impressive. Like, even when she takes these losses that you might think... are really going to derail her. She seems to come back the next tournament and start getting bagel sets again. And then it's really when we get to this stage of the tournament where we see whether one of these top players has kind of got the game to push her.
I just think if Svantec could choose another place to play Jung Chin Wen other than Roland Garros, it probably would be Indian Wells. Her results here and her scorelines here are... pretty much as dominant as they are for her at Roland Garros. The conditions really do suit her with the bounce and the speed through the air. So I do make Schiontek the favourite and I think it would be big for her to try and...
try and get some revenge over Jung because that was, yeah, it was a damaging loss last year. But as I said, now is the stage where... If we're going to see some stress for Sviantec, it's kind of at this stage because she's absolutely cruised through the first few rounds. I'm excited about that one too. It's scheduled first up, so weather permitting will be okay. But as you said, it might be a middle of the night situation for us. All the worst of the bad weather is scheduled first up.
as well. Jun Chin Wen versus Iger Svantec versus Weber. David will be long asleep. by that point. I might see the best of it by going to bed early and waking up at 5am the way I normally do. Top half of the draw is Sabalenka against Samsonova. Samsonova, David, you just never know when she's going to pop up and... beat a load of people and go on a run like what an inexplicable tennis player I mean I I know it's wrong to use tennis players interchangeably
But I do use Samsonova and Alexandrova interchangeably because they do exactly the same things. They both suddenly put together a run of form and go and beat. really good players and just blitz them off the court. And then you think, right, this could be them. This could be Samson of his moments, you know. And then you actually, if you monitor the results, then go and lose first round to somebody, you think.
How has that happened? How has she lost to her? So, look, I don't think necessarily players want... I mean, Sabalenka's had some serious matches against Alexandrova to carry on that comparison. she's playing against Sam Sonova. But I haven't watched that much of Sabalenka this week, but...
Her scorelines have been pretty convincing. And, yeah, I'm interested. I'm interested to watch what happens. I would have thought this will favour Sabalenka, somebody who's going to... smack a big ball at her and challenge her in that way and the ball comes on to her and she just can stand up to it and probably do it better than most her school lines have been convincing Matt and yet
I don't know about you with Sabalenko, she's still not convincing me. I still just detect a bit of frailty there in her, the same frailty that's been there since the Australian Open. Yeah, maybe. I mean, look, she's had a kind draw, really, considering some of the tough matchups that we've seen already in this tournament. What I would say is that her serve has looked better this tournament.
Her serve has been a real problem, actually, most of this season. But it's been better. But I don't... I'm just not really drawing too many conclusions myself on Sabalenka until we... Until we see her again, you know, against fellow top players. Like, I think she'll probably beat Samsonova. And then it's either Keyes or Benchik. And that's suddenly a match where, you know. really count me in because we can learn a lot from that, I think. Yeah, Madison Keyes picking up.
So far, where she left off from Australia, obviously she's had a bit of an injury in between. She'll now face Belinda Bencic. Bencic having beaten Goff coming back from a set down last night and Madison Keyes having beaten... Donna Vekic. Having said that Jung Chin Wen against Igor Shiantek is the match that I'd wake up in the middle of the night for, I think if I had to pick one to watch, it would be Kijs Bencic. Like, I am...
I'm so hyped about this. And, you know, it would only have been three months ago where a world in which I'm hyped about Keith Bencic. would have been a nonsense to me. One point Sam turned around. Bencic just wasn't on my radar and Keyes felt like in irrelevance in terms of winning at... at the very top of the game. And yet here we are, David, and I love where we are. Yeah, honestly, the one-point slam is really...
Taught me such an important life lesson about open-mindedness. Yeah, I mean, look, I think Bencic has ever since she came out at the start this year, she's playing some of the best tennis on the tour. I think she has... A frailty with the serve that can get attacked by the really big hitters and get exposed. But she just keeps coming out week after week and posting big wins and looking really convincing and dialed in.
this match against Goff, I actually looked up the bookmakers' odds, because I wanted to see what they were saying, because to me, I thought Ben Chish was the favourite for this match, given the double fault-itis that... Goff is going through at the moment. What was it? 21 the other day.
And actually, as it turned out watching this match, she tightened up a lot of her game. I did think she was sort of rolling a serve in really to get it in for most of the first two sets. And then suddenly, I've looked at the stats just now, and she did serve eight double faults in the match. they came eventually but she actually was I thought a lot closer to victory than I was expecting her to be because Ben she's so much more convincing at the moment and Keyes
Maybe it's my knowledge of the fact that she's won the Australian Open that is making me see something that has always been there. But my perception is that there's a weight lifted off her shoulders. She just goes for it without any inhibitions. You know, she just just smacks the ball when she's under the gun, when she's under pressure. She comes out fighting and.
and turns the tables in rallies like nobody else in the game. It's just spectacular how she will turn a back foot position into a stone-cold winner. And it is really uplifting to see. And look, I love Donavecic. We've got a sort of... the skin in the game because of our relationship with Pam Shriver, her coach. But I also, I don't see how you can watch Keys and not love it too. Yeah, I've had exactly the same impressions watching Madison Keys.
David, this is a player unleashed, unshackled. There was a point right at the end of... Her victory over, sorry, right at the end of the second set, the tiebreak set against Donna Vekic last night where... Vekic was a couple of points away from winning that match, where Vekic improvised an extraordinary forehand angled... cross-court return off a great wide serve from Madison Keys. Extraordinary bit of talent.
And Madison Keyes smacked it, created an even cuter angle with a load of pace on it. Smacked it cross court and Donna Vekic looked just shell-shocked by it. kind of like, well, that's the best of what I've got and somehow you've come up with better. The biggest compliment I can pay to Donna Vekic in that match last night is she brought the best out of Madison Keys.
The best of Madison Keys at the moment is a match for absolutely anybody in the world. I'm so pleased that Madison Keys is continuing her Australian Open winning. winning form I thought she would but it absolutely wasn't a given really wasn't a given especially with the the injury interruption in between and I'm just thrilled about it it's such good news for the WTA
And it's amazing how many of these wins have been kind of in the image of her wins at the start of the season. She had a lot of... She didn't cruise her way to the Australian Open title. There was a lot of... big moments that she had to meet and come through. And we've had them again here. You know, she got into a bit of trouble in that second set against Mertens the other day and yet sort of just rose to the challenge when she needed it.
And she was two points from defeat multiple times yesterday against Vekic. And yet, as you've both said, stepped up, cracked winners just with the... Yes, just playing with this freedom, it seems, and this confidence of being a major champion. Hasn't lost a match all year, 15-match win streak. I think only Serena and Daniel Collins last year can match that for winning streaks in terms of...
players over 30 on the WTA tour since 2000. It's crazily impressive what she's doing. In a way, maybe a bit of time off after the Australian Open. was helpful you know just to just to have some time to sit and process and enjoy what she did in australia and now and just
build up that hunger again, I suppose, because it all seems to still be there, which is just fantastic. Absolutely. Just from a Donovekic perspective... really bizarre year she's had so far, like some really horrible results in between two really heartening, fantastic results that kind of sit as... as little islands in her year so far. But if you could pick two events to have great results at, it would be the Australian Open and Indian Wells. Let's just get a bit more insight.
to that from your friend and mine, Pamela H. Shriver. Well, obviously disappointing end result for Donna on the Keys match, but... You know, it was really a tremendous 10-day turnaround from where Donna was when she lost in Merida and went 0 for February. 0 for 8 in sets, 0 for 4 in matches. And, you know, she did a really good job of kind of...
Having a meeting with herself before she showed up in Southern California, where I was really happy to be able to get back in person with her and do some work on the court at my house first to start off the... training block leading up to her first round match. It was a real mental block really because she hadn't won a match in Indian Wells in a long time.
You know, she was able to really play a couple of great matches, obviously, especially the highlight was really second set against Navarro after playing a really tough tie break and winning that first set. Avinasian, 3-3. I mean, that was, that signaled that she was ball striking really, really well. What's kind of interesting is she got herself in the mix.
to really make a run here without one of her big weapons being consistent, which is the first serve. But she worked really hard, had a few two-a-days. You know, hopefully sets herself up for feeling good going into Miami. And, you know, the year is still young. And if you could say I want my two best tournaments on my year to be the Australian Open and Indian Wells. you'd kind of take that. So she knows she's a big match, big court player, and, you know, every...
I think if Donna plays a match and doesn't lose her serve in two sets, she wins, you know, 95% of those matches, maybe even 98%. And even the tiebreak, you know, I think... Donna put herself in a position to, you know, obviously win the tiebreak, got a little help with a couple of double faults from Maddie, but then Maddie striped the back fraction of the line on a huge point. So, look, that's tennis, right? It pivots on a...
Centimeter, millimeter. But I'm really pleased with the team. It was the first time I was collaborating in person with Sasha. And I thought his messaging and, you know, he's the lead voice during the matches.
I thought he did really well. All the team worked hard. And for me personally, after just the devastation of January, it was really nice to get back to my workplace. I'm grateful I chose to stay with friends and just kind of like... relax a little when i wasn't around the tennis and not be at a busy tournament hotel so trying to make good decisions for my own self-care and um Yeah, so onward. It's a long season, and it's just really beginning. And I still have utmost confidence in Donna when...
She gets herself committed to her game, what she wants to do, how she wants to intimidate, use her big forehand. Just got to find a little more consistent first serve, get a few more free points. And she's right there with her goals to, you know, head towards the top 10 and contend to win majors. So anyway, it was a good tournament, came within fractions of being even better, but that's tennis.
It's not great for people that make their living from trying to have profound thoughts and analysis about the sport, but sometimes it does come down to, that's tennis. doesn't it and that's so beautifully summed up by Pam there great to hear Pam having a good couple of weeks because my goodness me what a traumatic start to the year for Pam and yep She deserves it. And I love the idea of Donna having a meeting with herself. I might need to schedule weekly meetings with myself from here on in.
But yeah, the Shriver effect is very real. It's no accident that Donna was on a horrible run of results and then she spent some time with Pam. Boom. Best ever result at Indian Wells. That is not an accident. Just quickly, anything further to say about Coco Gauff and that defeat? Was this...
You know, was this one of those anyone can lose to Belinda Bencic in this kind of form? As David said, you know, she's playing some of the best tennis on tour. But equally, this still isn't the Coco Gauff that we thought we were going to be seeing in 2020. after the end of 2024 at WTA finals and with the way she came out in Perth with new coach, you know, some slight grip.
tweaks to her game with Matt Daly on board. It's just not terrible, but it's just not quite Matt the Coco Goff that we thought we'd be seeing. And maybe that's on us, but it is a fact. Yeah. Look, it was terrible against Ujijima. Really was. That was a horrible performance. And yet, one of her greatest...
attributes and weapons is her ability to still win those matches and just sort of gut them out. I actually thought, I agree with David, I actually thought she played quite a lot better against Bencic. Her shots looked heavy in that first set, which was impressive. You know, she was not just sort of...
making allowances for the fact that she isn't playing that well at the moment. I actually thought off the ground, her game was pretty good. And I was surprised that level-wise, she was kind of going toe-to-toe with Ben Cicci in that first set. So I think she did... She did quite a lot of work to clean up the game in the few days that she was even in Indian Wells, but absolutely big picture.
It's not the form that she had at the end of last season and the very start of this season. And I'm a little bit confused as to why that's happened. I think I remember saying during the United Cup...
this looks like a player who has sort of fundamentally changed for the better. But I do also remember thinking... there's not been a huge amount of time like it also wasn't that long ago that we did see the double faults we did see the problems with the forehands i think what we've learned is that it's still a huge work in progress her game and look maybe these issues will always plague her to some extent like maybe she's always going to have some ups and downs with regards to
how reliable her serve is and how reliable her forehand is like she'll always be able to to cover for it to some degree because of how great a competitor she is and when everything is clicking She's going to be an absolute threat against absolutely everyone, as we saw at the WTA finals and at the United Cup. So, look.
And certainly she's going to want to play a lot better than she has been in the past few weeks. But I didn't think... It was one of those where I didn't actually think the loss to Bengšić was all that... discouraging because it was better than her performance was better than it had been in previous days and Benchik's just been so good this year like so good she
She lost her serve, didn't she, Gough, from 41 up at 4-1 in the third set. That was a real lapse. She absolutely should not be doing that. And perhaps a sign of a slight lack of confidence and match. toughness at the moment but you know i i think i think i always probably judge the goth game maybe a little bit too harshly i don't know
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Welcome back to the Tennis Podcast, where we have some men's quarterfinals to talk about. We have Holger Runa against Talon Greeks for Daniel Medvedev against Art of Feast, Jack Draper up against Ben Shelton. And Carlos Alcaraz against Francisco Sarundolo. David, I'm going to put to you the same question I put to you about the WTA draw. Who has impressed you most? Just to... Preface with my answer to this. I was so sure after watching Jack Draper beat Taylor Fritz.
last night in straight sets that I was going to bowl into this podcast saying no one has impressed me more than Jack Draper this week. And briefly that was true until I woke up in the middle of the night and watched quite a bit of...
Alcaraz beating Grigor Dimitrov, albeit a depleted Grigor Dimitrov and some tough conditions. But Carlos Alcaraz was... otherworldly in that match somewhat taking the wind out of my Jack Draper big hot takes sails but he still was awesome who's impressed you the most Well, it would be a dead heat between the two of those two players because Alcraz, we expect...
this level in Indian Wells. He's won the title the last couple of years. He's won all these matches in a row. The conditions just seem to suit him perfectly. He seems to love it in Indian Wells. And I do think when he plays against Dimitrov... Dimitrov needs Alcaraz to be some way short of his best because the only real way he can win points on a regular basis is with shot making because Alcaraz covers the court so well and is such a shot maker himself.
Yes, a depleted Dimitrov after that incredible match against Gael Monfils the other day, which was just a love-in between the two of them. They just had the best time together, kind of... reliving each other's careers in a sort of two and a half, three hour spell. And it was, in isolation, a wonderful experience. But it doesn't do much for somebody in his 30s, either one of them, who hopes to go further in the draw when Carlos Alcro...
is in the way but Draper is different because this is new he he looks like a different player he feels like a different player I slightly have my heart in my mouth saying this but I no longer have my heart in my mouth when I watch him play if that makes sense because I used to watch him
lunge into the corners of the court to dig out backhands and forehands and try to go toe-to-toe and side-to-side, and I would be waiting for the moment he would pull up with a hamstring strain or a hip problem or a back. twinge or something because he is a big guy whose body has not been able to stand up to the rigours of the tennis circuit until now.
At least that's how it feels. And I hope that carries on because he looks like he's no longer thinking about that. And he is imposing himself on opponents. And to beat Taylor Fritz... in a match where Fritz started off playing kind of normal Taylor Fritz tennis, which is good surf, big ground strokes, here I am, you're going to have to play a hell of a match to beat me.
And that's exactly what Jack Draper did. And it's not in isolation. He's been bullying everybody that he's played when he's fully fit. He wasn't fully fit in Australia, and yet he played three five-set matches in a row. I think that made him think, gee, if I can do this when I'm not fully fit, imagine what I can do when I am.
And he's managing his schedule again now, taking that week off after Doha. So, so sensible. I just hope he stays fit because this is the most exciting version of Jack Draper we've ever seen. Yeah. Yeah, he looks a top ten player to me all of a sudden. He looks like he's walking... He looked top five, to be honest, I thought last night. He looked like Fritz. Yeah, Fritz looked a bit...
Rocked on his heels, actually. I thought so, yeah. She was shocked by me. Yeah, absolutely. He looked... I don't know if there's something else going on with Taylor Fruits. He hasn't been... quite right has he but he he did look pretty pretty shell-shocked by that and yeah Jack Draper looks like he's just walking that bit taller I don't know maybe all he needed all along Matt was a kit that fits Like a sort of glass slipper situation. Yeah, that US Open run was not that sort of...
eye-catching for many reasons, and one of them being the fact that the kit was so awful. And, of course, everyone just playing terribly against him in a series of matches. Yeah, unfortunately, what I remember from that career best run of Jack Draper is him puking into a towel in ill-fitting kit and then wiping his face with that towel. Yeah, correct.
i agree though like i've i think because because of that run maybe and i've never i don't think i've been quite there with jack draper in the way that i think you two both have been but like This week, I'm so there. I've never really watched Draper before and thought he looks fast. But I have felt that this week. I feel like his movement has improved.
so much and his serve has been phenomenal this week you know he's he's talked he's talked about actually struggling with his serve in Indian Wells in the past because of the conditions he's have struggled to control it but it's been such a foundation for him this tournament and then being able to just impose himself like when he's playing like this his racket head speed seems really quick as well and he can just absolutely just
take the point away from someone like Taylor Fritz who, look, I don't think we're seeing Pete Fritz at the moment. He mentioned an ad problem, didn't he, that he had through the sort of Delray Beach. where else was it Dallas period where he didn't quite get the results that he wanted so I think maybe he's still sort of coming back from that but even so like he's still you know former champion in Indian Wells and honestly that
That second set scoreline flatters Fritz because Draper absolutely dominated him, just accelerated away like he did against Fonseca as well. Like that's been a real pattern. Close and then suddenly just Draper just... takes it away from you. Yeah, he's been awesome and he is absolutely rocketing towards the top 10. Yeah, I think Drape is the heavy favourite against Ben Shelton in that.
in that quarterfinal. And I think, you know, apologies, Francisco Sarangelo, great win over Alex de Manor and great run, but... but you're facing Carlos Alcaraz in Indian Wells now. That's interesting that you think he's heavy favourite against Shelton, who I think is... is playing pretty well. I would see that being really close. But do you mean that when it gets close, you think the confidence that he's got will shine through? Well, I've said that I think he's playing...
Well, you said he's playing equal tennis with Carlos Alcaraz. I've been more impressed with Jack Draper this week than Ben Shelton. So, you know, similar styles of tennis, isn't it? But Draper's looked... Looked a lot more convincing to me. Shelton got past Nakashima last night. He always beats Nakashima. And he always beats him. with really tight set scores. That second set wasn't tight, but he's won, like, every set they'd played before that, 7-5 or 7-6. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean...
I say heavy favourite would probably be, you know, 7'6", 5'7", 7'5", but I back Draper. I really back Draper there. I think we're going to get Draper Alcaraz again and I hope it's a proper spectacle this time. I know they played at Queen's and that was kind of fun, but I feel like we've had some misses with Draper Alcaraz here at Indian Wells.
didn't we, a couple of years ago where Draper had to retire. And of course, when they played in Australia, that was a non-event as well. So yeah, tennis gods, you owe us some Draper Alcaraz. Top par for the draw. Holger Runa is happening on and off the court. Some great tennis and a truly iconic, already meme-ified moment. Matt.
Yes, Holgeruna pictured, well, with a drawing of a penis in a spectacular bit of content from... from the Indian Wells team where they had these, where they had players sort of... Giving what they called a master class in what you need to know to be a professional tennis player to five fans. And it was silly things like...
how to peel your banana at the change of ends, how to sign the camera lens, how to line up your water bottles, all this kind of thing. And yeah, they got real buy-in from the players, which was great. Djokovic is great at those things, isn't he? Very good, yeah. He really inhabits the role. Yeah.
and and they did that undercover one last year didn't they uh indian wells where they had like alex de menor as a car park attendant and like they've really been knocking it out of the park in the last couple of years i love I just love it when they get an idea like that and commit to it. It might not always come off, but I think it's just fun for fans to see players in those sorts of things. And yes, Holger Ruhner. Holding a camera lens with a penis on is just a great meme. It really is.
Yeah, and if you catch the subtitles just at the right screenshot moment, he's saying, isn't it cool? But he's playing great tennis this week. He was so good to beat Stefanos Tsitsipas, I thought, a couple of nights ago. Yes. I mean, the one... The one sort of caveat I would give is that
The two sort of big wins that he's had have been Umber and Tsitsipas, and they're players that he's never lost against. He's 4-0 against Umber, and he's now 4-0 against Tsitsipas, although it's kind of 3-0 because one of them was a very early retirement. He does seem to like those matchups. Look, against Tsitsipas, we've talked about how the Tsitsipas backhand has been improved in the last few weeks with the new racket.
you know it's never going to be his best shot i don't think and runa really does target it well and just pick on it well um but i think what i was most impressed with was just like his focus you know he was just really like locked in for the match and didn't...
Didn't have the ups and downs that sometimes plague his game. His return of serve was great, putting Sitsipas under constant pressure. I think there was a moment where Sitsipas did get a break back and Runa just immediately broke back himself. And then there was a little bit of the spectacular as well. He kind of hit the best shot of the tournament so far, which was this absolutely wonderful tweener lob, great point down in the second set.
Just extraordinary shot. Best shot of the singles tournament so far, Matt. Yes. Katarina Siniarkova says hi. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. What does she do? I didn't say that. She ran across... I mean, well, she stole the shot from her partner, really. But if you're going to do that, you need to pull off whatever you're going for. She charged across the court at the net. I mean, it looked completely...
implausible run. She was so far from this ball and pulled off a, well, she pulls off a little dinked shot at the net around the net post. I don't think I've ever seen an around the net post shot. played at the net before i mean she literally was just playing doubles on her own so good and winning it was absolutely incredible
Yeah, absolutely. But Runa's was good too. Playing doubles on her own reminds me of a great quote that Ellen Perez gave a couple of weeks ago that we didn't mention on the pod where she partnered Ostopenko. And they won the title together and Perez said, there's no I in team, but there might be an Ostopenko. It was just fantastic. Incredible. OK, so Runa against your man, Greek's poor, David. Who's winning that?
Yeah, it's interesting. And, you know, I wasn't far away from putting Runa into my little group when you asked me for who's the standout player, because I do think it's impressive. I know he's beaten those guys before. I didn't realise it was quite as... as heavy as 4-0 against both Umber and Tsitsipas. But I think given the form Rune has been in, I think that's really impressive. And he seems a lot more settled. He seems to have a...
a coach now who's not all about himself and, um, and it's, it's solid. And, uh, and Rune is, yeah, he's starting to come again. And I'm pleased about that because he's, he's. ceiling is so high and and i think the sport will be so much better if holger runa is a a big part of the the top 10 scene um greekspor look i've got a soft spot for him because um
Well, he's in my fantasy team for a start. But I kind of, I like him. I like the way he's very quiet about the way he goes about it. He's a diligent... who's trying his best to fulfill his potential when he's clearly got doubts about himself. And he's doing it. You know, I saw him interviewed in the Tennis Channel studio yesterday after his most recent win and just thought you can see the belief coming.
It's a slow burn, but it's coming. And he's building towards something. He feels like his best tennis is still ahead of him in his career. And I think he's every reason to believe that. Against Rune, I think this could be really close. I could imagine another Umber-like scoreline. Because I think Grigspor...
shows up with his serve and with his game. And I think Roon is still capable of beating him, even if he does, but he's going to have to play well. So I think it'll be close. And speaking of your guys... David, are to feast into a Masters 1000 quarterfinal taking on Daniel Medvedev, who... Well, I mean, in the context of Daniel Medvedev's year, reaching the Indian Wells quarterfinals is already a great result for him. Great win over Tommy Paul. I still don't think he's been...
entirely convincing, despite a four and love win over Tommy Paul. But here he is, looking utterly dishevelled, David, which usually is a good thing for Daniel Medvedev's tennis. Up against Otaphis. Yeah, I mean, Medvedev against Tommy Paul the other night. It was one of those matches after all the rain, and then they just managed to sort of... shoehorn this into the end of the day and there was only the sort of lower tier of spectators left.
pretty late at night. And he was wearing black leggings with his fluorescent kit. And I thought, you know, it takes some doing to make a brand like Lacoste look that much of a mess. But you've pulled it off, pal. But his game was in good shape. He raced into sort of a four-love lead, and then he got pegged back to four-all immediately by Paul, who wasn't...
playing well. He mentally wasn't really there, I didn't think. And Medvedev just looked locked down. The game was solid. He's asking a lot of questions. I mean, Art of Feast is going to have... He's going to have to take him on and be mentally strong and really go for it, I think, because you're not going to out-rally him just in that sort of... Not with Medvedev looking like this, I don't think, unless something changes.
You know, Feast has done what he was supposed to do at this tournament. He got a really good win against Lorenzo Messetti. Matt Futterman told us about that in his voice note the other day, that that was one of the highlights of the tournament, the second set they played. But then you have to back that up with a win.
against Marcus Guerrero, and he lost a set, but he did win. He still loses two. You look at the scorelines and you think, have you won the first set 6-2 and lost the second set 6-2? That's... Doesn't tally to me as a player who's mentally as locked in as they need to be. But look, he's still really young. And I think this is big for him to get to this stage. Now the shackles can come off because he's not supposed to beat Medvedev, so I'm fascinated to see how he plays it. Will he? No.
Everyone's beating Medvedev this year, David. He's handling everybody. He's a cash machine for first ever top ten wins. Matt, what do you think? If Feast hangs with him... he still has that turbo boost gear that draws me to him. When he starts... grunting at the top of his voice as he heaves forehands, you can feel adrenaline coming through the TV screen, let alone if you're there in person. There are very few experiences like that in the sport, to me, that make the hairs...
on the back of my next stand-up. And Feast has got that level, and he just needs to stay with Medvedev long enough and then bring that out when it matters. And if he does, he can win. David's gone from a categoric no to talk himself into fees winning. I think the conditions might end up determining this.
I don't know, David's obviously a much bigger expert on the Feast game than I am, but I kind of feel like with Medvedev, this thing about him not being able to hit winners now is kind of a problem. We've talked about that. unless the conditions are so slow that the other guy can't hit winners either and then like Medvedev's rally tolerance comes in and it's like well actually how do you how do you get the ball past him and there was a bit like that against Paul like it was
As David said, it was cold. It was slow. Paul wasn't timing the ball well at all. He wasn't playing well. He was kind of starting every game love 30 down with the amount of unforced errors he was hitting. It was really poor from Paul.
And Medvedev just kind of thrived in those conditions. And I had the same turn of phrase that David had, locked down. His game was completely locked down. And if it's like that again, I think it's going to be a real challenge for Feast to be able to... sustain it enough to hit through him but if there's a bit more if the court's a bit livelier feast has enough power to be able to to get through it but i just i don't know it's it's going to be on this
what we think is going to be a bit of a wet, damp day in Indian Wells, I could, I don't know, I could maybe see that favouring Medvedev. It's so fascinating, Medvedev, because... He always talks about how much he hates the court of Indian Wells and how slow it is. And yet, to some degree, he seems to kind of... kind of come out on top of those matches. I think he can't play the kind of tennis that he really wants to play but it does end up being a style of tennis that...
sort of ends up suiting him. It's a very odd situation. What kind of tennis does he want to play? The sort of tennis he was playing in 2019. He just wants to moan. Yeah. It's probably that. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to ask for some more punchy predictions from you both in part three. Prepare yourselves. Let's stop there. Being a soldier, it's exciting. You already know that. What you want to know is, what's in it for me? I wanted to learn leadership skills from the experts.
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Welcome back to the tennis podcast where just before I get some punchy predictions from the boys, I just want to mark your card quickly and save the date, if you will, for our two planned live shows this summer. One in London before... And one in New York before the US Open. The planned date for the London show is June the 26th, the Thursday before Wimbledon and for New York. It's August the 21st, the Thursday before the US Open.
day after the mixed doubles. So we'll be able to give all our thoughts and feelings about the brand new US Open mixed. doubles venues TBC we are working on it all at the moment but we are very aware that people are making summer plans kind of as we speak so if you want to come to one of those shows and we would love to see you they truly
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Sabalenka Samsonova. Sabalenka. Sabalenka. Kijs Bencic. Bencic. Bencic. Oof. Andreeva Svitolina. Andreeva. Andreeva. Svyantek Jung. Svyantek. And who's winning the title? Svyantek. David. Sam Aronka. Shontex Abelenka final? Yeah. Maybe Benchik. Oof. OK. OK. Right. Men's. Runa Greekspour. Runa. Memphedev Fies. Memphedev. Not answering. David. Memphedev. Draper Sholton. Draper.
Draper. Alcaraz Sarindolo. Alcaraz. Alcaraz. And what's your final and who's winning? Alcaraz Runa. Alcaraz. Alcaraz Runa. Why not? And you've got Al Karaz Medvedev. Okay. I'm here for all of those matches. Yeah, great. I'm actually pretty... I'm pretty... Excited for this final weekend of Indian Wells. I think I'm in good shape.
Yeah, I think it is a good line-up. We'll be back on Monday at 8pm UK time. Our Post Indian World show will be live on YouTube for everybody to join us live if they want to. So that's 8pm UK time. That's 9pm in the rest of Europe or most of Europe, 4pm East Coast time in the US and 1pm Pacific time. It's 7am AEDT. which is that's melbourne time right yeah and you can extrapolate other australian time zones on the basis of what time it is in melbourne 7 a.m in
Melbourne. And of course, it'll be up and available as a podcast very shortly afterwards, which leaves us just to say hello to our mascots. Hello, Phoebe. We have Andreva and Phoebe. flying our flags. David and Maisie, big, big, big times for you and Talon Greekspor this week. Have you got any other skin in the game? It's a good job Greekspor's doing it.
Because nobody else is. They're all being served notice, I'm telling you. Yeah, we do have a transfer window coming up. People are under threat. Anna Bogdan style. Matt, you've got Francisco Sarundalo, haven't you, you and Roger? Yes, we do. Tough draw for us coming up, but we do have Sarundalo and we also have Igor Sviantek. Ah, big. Feeling good about that. Possibly should have led with Shuntek there and not Surindalo, but...
But you live and you learn. I'm going to have a meeting with myself. I'll be better next time. Hello to our top folks and executive producers, Greg, Chris and Jeff. And over to Matt for shout outs. We have Katie Wilson. who would like to shout out her mum, Paula Wilson. Aww. Aww. Hello, Katie. This is our second consecutive show with a Katie, isn't it? And I'm going to go Bolter again. Paula, though.
Tell us more about Katie and Paula while we ever think about tennis ballers. Well, Paula introduced Katie to the pod. They're both devoted listeners and they are at Indian Wells this year. Love it. It's amazing. I know that somebody is going to panic and say Paola Bedossa, but it's not the same, is it? It's not the same name. We do have a bit of information that last year, for their shout-out, David also came up with Paola Suarez.
I did well, didn't I? Oh, very good. I was about to again, but now I don't need to. I do like it when they help us out with the shout-outs, I really do. Katie. I wish I'd built on it, but you know, maybe next year. Katie, Paula, thank you and have a fab time in Indian Wells. We also have Donna Parker from Maryland, which is just perfect. Oh, home of Pam Shriver. Donna, like Donna Vekic. You could also have Donna Kelso, the WTA supervisor. Catherine, we are just becoming the same person.
And I'm sure a lot of people listening are thinking, Donna Kelso, who's that? That's a nobody. But I guarantee you, if I showed you a picture of Donna Kelso, you'd recognise her. Very much a somebody. She is courtside. Pretty much every tennis match. You know who she is, you just might not know her name and she's fantastic. So there you go. And Donna is also at Indian Wells and said...
We had a rainy French Open experience last year, so we're hoping for lots of sunshine at Indian Wells this year, although there's been some sunshine. That's a very relatable message. Donna, very, very relatable. Yeah. Fingers crossed you get some sun. And thank you. And finally, and this is kind of a follow up to a shout out we had the other week where we wondered whether Ezra was the youngest friend of the pod. This time we have Mark Schooley.
who is also from Maryland. And Mark may not know it yet, but he is an avid tennis podcast listener at three months old. Oh. Isn't that wonderful? Still not younger than my nephew. Yep. That is the bar now. But Mark listens with his dad's Ollie and Eli and his big brother's Roger, a three-year-old Bernese mountain dog, Catherine. And Stephanos, a seven-year-old cat. No. Just great naming going on there. What a family. Hang on. Hang on. So we now know two Bernese Mountain Dogs.
Or part Bernese Mountain Dogs called Roger. Yeah. It's an epidemic. That's absolutely incredible. And what I want to know is whether Stephanos, the seven-year-old cat, is named after Sitsipas. Oh, come on, Matt. Well, if so, the early adopter of Sitsipas, because seven years is... Is pre-Australian Open win over Federer? They didn't necessarily get the cat seven years ago. That's possible too.
Maybe they just got into the fight with Medvedev, you know? Yes, that's what I like to think. Shut your fuck up. I think it would have been more normal to name a cat after Stefanos Tsitsipas a few years ago than, like, recently. I reckon... I reckon... pets named after Sitsapas is tailed off a bit of late. You know what I mean? Not Rogers, though. Roger's are, Bernie's mountain dogs called Roger are, you know, holding firm. Mark, Eli, Eli and... Ollie.
Ollie, love that. That is absolutely wonderful. Welcome to the family, Mark. That's, yeah, that's very, very special. Mark like Mark Philippousis. very good there we go Folks, thanks for listening. We'll be back on Monday. That show will be live on YouTube at 8pm. Look out for the link on our socials and in our newsletter or just head to our YouTube page.
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