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Are they sweaty? Which is just not what you want arriving onto site, is it? Matt and I... Got stopped by some absolutely delightful Tennis Podcast listeners on the second court earlier on today. We'd just been watching Guillermo Fis and Ben Shelton, which was incredibly entertaining, albeit with a slightly tragic end to it. We'll come on to talk about that.
But after the end of the lovely chat we had, they asked us if we could have a photo with them. And we said, absolutely. And then Matt stopped in his tracks and said, I am a bit sweaty. I just think you should warn people. It's fair. They wanted the photo anyway, such was their Matt Roberts fandom. Right, I've mentioned the Shelton Monfils match, I've mentioned Dimino, we'll talk about all of that, but I do think that where we should start...
is with Yannick Sinner's defeat of Holgeruna 6-3, 3-6, 6-3, 6-2. It felt sadistic watching this. Such was the unpleasantness of the conditions during the time this match was played. It was the absolute... peaky to the day and both players were struggling and as a result of that there was a whole lot of drama in this match a lot of great tennis as well particularly given the conditions but
A lot of drama, a lot of hoo-ha. We had an 11-minute off-court medical timeout for Yannick Sinner at 3-2 in the third set. Then we had a kind of retaliatory medical timeout for Holger Ruh. three five down in that third set and then at one love in the fourth set yannick sinner at this point leading two sets to one there was a 21 minute break where both players went off court because in the words of our dear lovely
Australian colleague in the radio room, they've broken the court on the Rod Laver arena. It was all happening. And I think it wouldn't be wrong to say that... Maybe the most important shot that Yannick Sinner hit today was a serve into the net. Because it was his serve that broke the Rod Laver arena. And caused that 20-minute delay. And look, in Yannick Sinner's words himself, he got lucky today.
With that break, he was absolutely re-energized and revitalized after it, and to some extent after the medical timeout that he'd had in the third set as well. But absolutely no doubt about it that those two... long breaks in the match you know it was a three hour 15 minute match i think on the clock but it actually took about four hours because there was 45 minutes between those between those two medical timeouts and the net breaking where they were
And that massively helped Yannick Sinner because he was struggling big time. I think a combination of not feeling well. He said he woke up. this morning not feeling great and he knew that it was going to be a tough match. He didn't practice before. He said he knew he would just have to try and somehow get through it. So that was obviously a big factor for him and the heat. We've seen him struggle in hot conditions before.
And it was really, really taking its toll. And he was beginning to wilt in that second and third set. Having started the match well, you know, really, really solid in that first set, getting the break straight away and then emphatically closing it out. The longer and longer it went on, it felt like Runa was the stronger player out there in that second and third set.
I was quite impressed with how Runa was holding up, actually. I had concerns over him physically, given all the tennis that he'd played. But actually, he coped pretty well in the conditions, certainly for the most part of this match. Yeah, Yannick Sinner kind of got away with one today. Look, he played well at the start and the end, and he just had to get through the middle somehow, and there's no doubt that those big, big breaks in the match helped him, where he could go indoors, he could...
He could splash water all over his face and body. He could just get out of the sun and the heat, and it absolutely helped him. So, yeah, like a bit of an escape for Yannick Sinner today, but one that does leave you with some...
question marks going forward as well because, OK, he's got one of his favourite match-ups in the next round, an Alex de Manor, which I'm sure we'll talk more about. But if he's not feeling great, then he might even be worried about that one. Over the course of the... the match as we were watching it we assumed what was going on with Yannick Sinner was entirely conditions and heat related which honestly made total sense to me having experienced that 25 minute walk in but then he
He finally drags himself over the line, 6-3, 3-6, 6-3, 6-2, and he goes to speak to Jim Currier in the on-court interview. And that's when the whole situation becomes a little bit murkier because he said... today was a strange morning I didn't warm up for the match he said I knew in my mind before the match that I would struggle today and he said of course the time off court talking to the doctor it helped me today that is him referring to
the medical timeout at 3-2 in the third set which he actually went off court for and then he said it shows that this tournament has excellent organisation and really looks after the players And he was asked about those comments by me and others in the press conference earlier. And he was...
Very vague about exactly what is going on physically. He definitively confirmed there's no injury. Charlie Eccleshare asked him whether there was anything going on with the hip or another body part joint. He said no injury. But he did sort of very obliquely reference an illness beyond the conditions. He said he was busy and he referred to health issues. He said...
It sounded like the only treatment he received while he was off court was taking medications and having a chat with the doctor, which for me raises questions about why that medical timeout took place off court. Yeah. Big time, because actually I think... I think that 20-minute delay for the Rod Laverina breaking, I actually think that's a bit of a decoy here. And the real story is that 11-minute...
Injury timeout at 3-2 in the third, which really turned the tide. Yeah, well, I mean, he needed to weather that period because the look in his face, you mentioned we've seen it before with him, I think particularly of the match. against Zverev at the US Open, which were filthy conditions, I think even worse than they were today. And he was cramping in kind of the second set of that match, and even Zverev started to cramp and look hollow.
so cheeked and unwell. But he actually looked like his legs didn't belong to him when he was walking around between points. And when he went off the court, I mean, he got his, I think, his blood pressure taken, his pulse taken, all those sort of things at the chair. And to be able to go inside and get in the air conditioning, I mean, I understand it. I mean, I wanted to go in the air conditioning. But if I'm the opponent, I am asking, what is going on here? Is he having...
Is he going off the court because he needs to take off clothing that can't be taken off on the court, like you sometimes see if somebody has a bad hip problem or a back issue or something like that? And female players more often go off court for treatment for obvious reasons. And players can do the bathroom break where they do a full kit change and stuff like that.
I'd love to know exactly what was going on here. And if it was an assessment and it's not body part related, I don't understand what he's doing inside. The umpire did announce to the crowd, due to the nature of the medical timeout, it's having to take place indoors, which, as you say, is normally something they say when, you know...
an injury to a specific body part is being treated. I mean, one thing I could potentially think of is maybe they needed to check his throat or something if he's ill and they needed to maybe go off court to do something like that. But it... What about if you... needed to vomit or or get to the loo well hasn't stopped him in the past he likes to vomit in bins david on the course but certainly yes maybe something like that like there like there are there are explanations for what it
It could be if it's not an injury and it's an illness and you need to go off court. But Yannick Sinner was not prepared to go there. He really shut down talk of wanting to explain what it was health-wise. That's absolutely his right. But it does leave us with this bit of a vacuum, really, of information. Holger Runa was asked about it.
about what happened there. And because, you know, during this time when Yannick Sinner's off court, he has just sat there on the court, not moving. I think it's harder to just sit there in the heat than, I mean, obviously the physical activity is tough, but... And often people say that it's easier to be moving and running around and getting a bit of breeze on your face. He said, I was sat there cooking in the heat.
for the 11 minutes while Yannick Sinner was off court. He said it was a bit brutal in the middle of the set. I had good momentum at this point, so not bad timing on his part. I don't know what he did, but he came back firing. And I know that sounds like... real sass from holger una but he actually delivered it in quite an adult way i thought for him and to be honest i think those feelings are pretty
Like he didn't sound bitter or angry. And I think most players would have some feelings along those lines after. after what had happened. Yeah, and he also took a medical time out himself, just as his opponent was about to serve for the set. And, you know, there was one specific game of actual tennis, which was also a big... big turning point and it was the game just before Runa took that medical time out.
with him serving at 3-4 down in that third set. And Runa played a really poor game to lose his serve. He had two double faults. He suddenly decided to... to start just going big and look maybe the The knee that he took the medical timeout for was bothering him in that moment, and he suddenly couldn't rally. But it was a change of tactic in that moment, and I think the wrong one. He started hitting out. He had a lot of unforced errors in that game.
kind of gifted it to Yannick Sinnoh, even though he hit a couple of good shots in that game too. So that was... That was a sort of tennis reason, I think, as to how the match turned as well, as well as these medical timeouts and the break for the net. And we should also probably... give a shout out to what I think is the best point of the tournament that I've seen so far in this match, about halfway through it, where...
I think it was on break point and Yannick Sinner was being pushed all over the court by Holger Rune. There were lobs, he was up at the net, there was back and forth, ground strokes, and in the end Sinner won it. And it was all the more extraordinary because you could tell how much...
he was struggling physically and he was bent over after this point because he had to move so much and so dynamically and it was absolutely extraordinary and yeah I think speaks to your point that there was actually quite a lot of good tennis in this match even even though the bigger story became about the conditions and Sinner's health. And actually, Runa was pretty philosophical about the loss afterwards. He can see that this tournament is progress for him.
Perhaps just signs of growth. He's wanted it all to come quickly in the past, hasn't he? And to maybe skip.
progress steps along the way but he accepts that this is a step in the right direction you know onwards onwards and upwards well also i know sinner is a different character to him but he can take sinner as an example because it didn't happen overnight for dinner did it it's been incremental and now look where he is absolutely and the same has been the case for for alex domino he used the word incremental didn't he in his he's on court interview with
With Jim Currier, Duminor a winner tonight in three largely bizarre sets. Six Love, 7663 over Alex Mickelson. And the question we now have is... Is Yannick Sinner compromised physically enough? to give Alex de Menor a chance in the quarterfinal, because as well as de Menor played from the back of the court in this match, and he really did at times, his serve was a disaster. as was his opponent for most of it. Yeah, yeah, it was, I mean...
I've seen a lot of Alex Mickelson this fortnight, and I feel like I've really got to know who he is as a tennis player, and a little bit as a person just from the French conferences we've attended. And his win over Stefanos Tsitsipas was excellent. His performance against Karen Hatcher was really good. He came out today and he was all over the place. He looked like his legs didn't belong to him. I mean, it's a big thing coming out onto the Rod Laver arena. And he just...
He just froze, it seemed. I mean, I thought Dimonor was playing really well. But, I mean, he was getting chances on the guy's second serve. Dimonor only put 19 of the first 52 first serves in. But... He kept jamming him up. He kept sort of drawing errors from the forehand. And at six love, two love, I came into the media room. I'd been commentating the first set, which lasted 20 minutes. I came into you guys, and we were talking about whether the triple bag...
was on. It felt genuinely possible. I actually referenced it to Ryan Harrison in the commentary box, who was commentating with her, that I have only ever seen one, and that was Sergio Beguera against Thierry Champion, and he said, I know... He goes, I know...
Thierry I'm going to I'm going to bring this up so I thought oh great now I'm going to get in trouble anyway um I think Thierry's probably having it brought up quite a lot yeah and to be to be fair to Mickelson he found some really good tennis that second set and started to to make it competitive but I don't know, Diminoi, one thing you get from commentating where we get to, which is at the back of the court, court level, is the sense of just how difficult it is to get a tennis ball past...
Alex Diminor, the speed of the guy, and his stroke production... It's a nightmare. Unless you are Yannick Sinner. I mean, he's beaten him nine out of nine. Unless you've got that sort of relentless power, I don't really see how you beat him. I agree. But the problem is, it is going to be Yannick Sinner.
Yeah. Next. And, you know, I don't want to be down on Alex DeMille, although we were in the raft of Aussie fans that were leaving the Rod Laver Arena tonight. It was such a... buoyant atmosphere it was lovely and they were they were all totally high not just on the match but what he had to say to Jim Currier afterwards it was an absolutely lovely interview from from Domino wasn't it he said there is nothing I want more
than to do well here in Australia in front of you and he said it in such a profound way I think that really connected with everybody in the stadium and I reckon people watching at home as well it was really lovely so look I'm high on it too, and Ozzy doing well here is really cool, but... 33% first serves in the first set, 45% in the second set, and 44% in the third set. It does not matter how compromised Yannick Sinner is in two days' time.
Like, there's just no way that's competitive against Yannick Sinner. No, I mean, I don't know his first serve percentages. against Yannick Sinner off the top of my head, but I'm pretty sure he would have served a lot better against Yannick Sinner and not got close. So if he's going to serve like that, he's definitely not going to get close.
I like the attitude that Dimonor has. He's not defeatist about it. He's saying, let's keep this going. Now's the time to get a first win over Yannick Sinner. And I do genuinely... believe him like I do think that of course he knows it's a it's a horrible matchup but it doesn't doesn't feel like he's going into that match having lost it before he's even stepped onto court that's just not
That's just not his DNA as a tennis player and as a competitor. And it feels terribly harsh to say, but I do think his biggest hope here is that...
Yannick Sinner is still physically compromised in a couple of days' time. I do think it probably won't be as bad because I think it was the combination of his health issues and the heat today that was really... really affecting yannick sinner and i suspect that that will be night session in a couple of days time and i think generally we're getting a a cool change aren't we so so excited about the cool change that's been promised
Not tomorrow, folks. It's going to be steaming tomorrow, but after that. So, look, I think the conditions will be kinder for both players and that will be better news for Yannick Sinner. So, look, it's hard for us to get that hype. about that match, given the head-to-head. But I'm pleased that Dimonor is hyped about it, and I'm pleased that generally he's got to the quarterfinal and broken his round four.
hoodoo here, because I think he lost in the fourth round, hadn't he, the last three times. In fact, this was the one slam he'd never reached the quarterfinals of, and it's the one he most wants to do well in. So I'm absolutely chuffed for Alex Dimonor that he's done it. And yet, hard personally to get too excited about that quarterfinal with Sinner, even though there is a bit of a question mark about Sinner's health. And as much as it seemed...
Well, it seems really obvious that Diminol would reach the quarterfinal here. You know, as he said, his progress has been incremental and step by step, and this is absolutely the next step he reached. the quarterfinals of the three other slams last year this was the only one missing like it it seemed inevitable that he would do this looked at a different way he suffered a
hideous injury in the middle part of last season and he lost his last six matches of 2024. It was absolutely not a given that he performed as well as he has performed here at this tournament. Big time. He played on in that second half of the season and he reached that US Open quarterfinal but he was nowhere near himself. He was a ghost. Absolutely.
He really, really was struggling. You could just see that he wasn't moving like Alex de Manor moves. And that's his biggest, one of his biggest strengths, you know. So I'm so pleased with him. And just generally... It was never a given that he would start reaching Grand Slam quarterfinals because we do know that there is a ceiling to his game. He's raised that ceiling. If he's not seeded in the top eight, he can get those top guys before the quarterfinals. He has worked to get himself...
into this kind of seeding position so that he doesn't have to meet a Yannick Sinner before the quarterfinals. That's his new level. So, you know, it's a sort of really great in the last... few months that he's got back to this but just like over time the way he's improved his game year in year round making his serve a bit bigger
bulking up a little bit more you know all of these things have contributed to just making him a better player getting some getting some big wins and building confidence against better players and yeah I think he's he's maxing out isn't he? He really, really is. And I would love him to break the quarterfinal barrier at a slam. It just feels like if he could have picked any other opponent, he probably would have done because the head-to-head is just absolutely rotten for him.
I agree with all of that, no notes, except that what I saw on the second court today between Ben Shelton and Guillaume Monfils has made me wonder if being able to move actually is important to being successful at tennis at all. because, OK, he ended up retiring from this match, and thank goodness, because Guillaume Monfils needed not to be on his feet for a single moment longer. But for two sets here... Guillaume Enfils had no legs, no legs at all, and was playing awesome tennis. Absolutely.
breathtaking tennis I don't understand it you know this is this is a sport that is that is so maximised that we're talking about marginal gains of a percent of a percent of a percent that those at the top are striving for to make the difference between a third round and a fourth round, a fourth round and a quarter final. And yet...
Guilherme Monfils, who's one of his biggest assets for his whole 20-year career, is his incredible athleticism and movement. Somehow he was stripped of that today and was still awesome. for a while yeah how does that make sense well I think it only really makes sense with players like him and actually I think
he's been a pretty extreme version of himself this fortnight. I think he's just in incredible form. So he's seeing the ball so well. Everything's coming out of the centre of the racket. I mean, the way... He beat Fritz. And the way he played...
Shelton for those first two sets where Shelton's just smashing the ball at him and Monfils is just not missing he's stroking these rally balls all of them are going it's almost like Djokovic in the way he's landing them within within a an inch or two of the baseline time after time and I think when his legs went he was still able to just finesse the ball around you know he's just in that good of form and he's that kind of imaginative but
I mean, when you think of the highlight reel, it's based on the foot speed and the athleticism. I mean, he had to show us a different side to himself and great courage and innovation. But, yeah, it's... It's a tough sport for the 28-year-olds, let alone the 38-year-olds. He's a very smooth mover on a tennis court, Gael Monfils, and I think... We often think about the explosive movements that he does and the stretching and the jumping and the sliding, but actually I think his...
Maybe his best asset is maybe like the first step that he takes. And he can just anticipate and cover quite a lot of ground with actually... not doing that much i think it's a skill that he has that a lot of people don't and he's he's also got an incredible ability as david said to generate pace off nothing so actually he was able to like conserve of quite a lot of energy because compared to Shelton, you see all of Shelton's power. He's throwing himself into shots. Monfils is just...
He's just swinging what looks quite lightly at the ball, but it is pinging off his strings. It's some wizardry that he's got in his arms and his racket. And I guess it's just timing and an ability to just generate pace. So he was able to actually... Even in this very, very depleted version of himself, he was able to still be really, really dangerous because he is seeing the ball so well and he can still hit winners and he can still anticipate.
enough to be able to sometimes get in position but unfortunately it did eventually run out and you know all the sets that he'd had I think even the tournament he'd had prior to the Australian Open, the heat today, it was just a combination that was too much. And an opponent in Penn Shelton who was ready to go. you know for five hours five sets you know it was it was just always going to be a tall order but it was pretty special seeing him seeing him do damage even though
even though he was struggling physically so much. It was a lovely moment also at the end where Shelton invited the crowd, not that they needed much invitation, but to give Monfils a huge moment and a huge ovation as he left the court. It was really nice. Nicely handled by Ben Shelton. He will take on Lorenzo Sonego in the quarterfinals. First grand slam quarterfinal for Sonego after beating Lerner TN 6-3, 6-2, 3-6, 6-1, TN.
kind of a physical shadow of himself as well. First Grand Slam quarterfinal at 29 years of age. That's really cool from Sonego. You could see it in his face at the end. his celebration I didn't catch that much of the match but I saw him physically on the court at the end and kind of the look was oh my word this has happened to me you know and when you think back to the match we saw against Fonseca
He was playing the role, really, wasn't he, of the opponent a couple of times there, and he's making himself the main event. And, look, I don't want to go too big into big existential... best of three versus best of five stuff. Oh, I was going to go there, Matt. I mean, I have been thinking about it because, like, look, I love best of five set tennis. I absolutely do. And there have been some great, great moments.
even in this tournament with best-of-five set tennis. And if we get rid of it, we will definitely be losing something. We will be losing specific matches that are great. But I think the last couple of days...
I've kind of thought, yes, we'll be losing those moments maybe early on, but we might get some whole days back later in the tournament. It does feel like at the slams at the moment, like there's always a period in the middle where you're... where you're paying the price for like the fun that you had at the start with all the five sets and and and of course the combination of heat and late nights which also which also is part of the five set discussion but like
Matches are getting longer, so nights are getting later. The world is on fire, so heat is getting more. They're not footnotes, those factors. They are things that should be considered. Totally, and also some of the best stories.
this tournament in the men's game have been the teenagers and also... guys like Monfils 38 years old and part of me thinks well if it was best of three it's almost like maybe those stories could sort of carry on a little bit longer as well like maybe maybe that would that would help
both of those sort of extreme age categories as well, which are always such fascinating stories. I think it's possible to love five-set tennis. I think this is a problem that it's everything, well, it's a problem with the world, isn't it? is so polarised and entrenched that, you know, there's no room for nuance. It's possible to love five-set tennis and to feel really sad about the prospect of losing it and to also think it's still the right thing to lose it, which is where I've arrived at.
I think you just need to zoom out and realise that, yes, in certain circumstances it's a wonderful thing. We do reap benefits from having it, but I don't think tennis is appreciating the price that we're paying. For that, we are paying a really high price for it. Women in particular, I think, are paying a really high price for it. But the sport is paying a high price and that price is increasing and the returns are...
At very best, remaining static and possibly diminishing because a lot of the best of five set matches are compromised by injury. You know, as Matt says, particularly at this stage.
of a tournament and it it strikes me as a similar situation to with the scheduling yesterday that there is you know the sport is institutionalized people within the sport are institutionalized if you were throwing everything up and blindfolding everybody and we were starting from scratch no way would we be designing it this way and saying how about we have people frequently play for
five hours until two o'clock in the morning. Does that sound good? Yeah, we're all agreed on that. Cool. That's how we'll do things. Yeah, I feel like there's a... deep entrenchment and institutionalisation which prevents a kind of holistic look at it all. I definitely think the Olympics made me realise there is another way because that was best of three and because it was so great.
that I'm less bothered now about losing best of five. But I also still think there is a way to just reduce the amount of it and have it at the sharp end of the tournament when you don't want nerves to come into play and you want to... elongate the biggest matches. So that would still be my solution, but I don't feel as protective over it as I used to, by no means.
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A huge day for Igor Svante, because while I think we were all expecting that to be the decision from WADA, until it's confirmed, it's a weight. It must be a weight hanging around your neck. I think so, particularly when Yannick Sinner is still carrying that weight around his neck and he knows he's going to be...
at a case in April of that type. And so until she knew that that wasn't going to be the case, it must have been to some degree on her mind. I mean, she was brilliant today. And the thing is... Ava Lee's played quite good tennis. And if you told somebody that she won one game... They'd look at you as if you were mad saying that. But she played a way better match than Emerita Cano did. And I think she's got a lovely sort of clean ball strike. But by the time she'd sort of...
accepted, I think, that she couldn't play her normal game. She was already like six love, two love down. Because you can't, if you play a rally ball, a decent rally ball against Igor Svantec, she's all over you. You know, she is coming for you. And when it's not working, when she was having some of the struggles last year and missing, she would never rein it back in. Well, she doesn't need to rein anything back in right now because she's middling everything. It's all there.
And she is a stunning sight in full flight. And I just think, I don't think she could be in better form, Svantec. And Lise started to realise she'd got to redline her game even to make...
points competitive and to impose herself at all. That's what got her a game. It almost got her one or two more. But that's what we're talking about. We're talking about scraps off the table against Iguish Vrantec at the moment. And it just... I mean I'm interested in the rest of her road and how it goes at this tournament but I'm just so fascinated by if she gets to the final which I fully expect her to do.
which one of the opponents she ends up playing and just imagining what a blockbuster we'd end up with. It does feel that way a bit now, doesn't it? Who's Igor Shiontek going to face? Yeah. In the final, is it going to be Coco Goff or Irina Sabalenka? We know as well as anybody that upsets can happen, but my...
Goodness, it would be an upset from this point if Shontek doesn't reach the final. Her quarterfinal opponent will be Emma Navarro. She beat Daria Kazekina in, frankly, the match of the day. I think. 645775 on the John Kane Arena. That brings us to 10 hours and 14 minutes on court for Emma Navarro. And yet... I think she'll be okay physically against Iga Svantec. Like, she is incredibly fit, Emma Navarro. An incredible physical specimen. She loves three sets.
Yeah, and this match maybe followed a similar pattern to some of the others that she's had in that fast start, kind of lose her way a little bit in the middle and then grind it out at the end. And look, I think... I only actually joined this match in terms of watching it sort of the very latter stages. There was just other things going on, but I really, really enjoyed what I saw in...
in this match. I did go back and Kasachina saved three match points at 5-4 in the second set, two of them with winners. And it seemed like that helped to just loosen up a bit and grow into the match. It was then another hour and 15 minutes until Navarro's next match point when she finally did win it. And like... You know, the rallies were really, really fun to watch. You know, two players who don't have huge power, so have to work out other ways to win points. And look, I think the...
The stat sheet might make this match look a little bit ugly. There was a lot of unforced errors, a lot of those rallies, which were great rallies, but they were ending maybe on errors. And there were 17 breaks of serve, and it was back and forth.
necessarily mean it's a bad quality match just because there are breaks of serve by the way but like personally i really enjoy those matches where the momentum is is swinging back and forth um so Another big win for Navarro, four three-set wins in a row, and shout-out Sylvain on the barge, who has pointed out that... Going into that quarterfinal match, Igor Svontek has lost 11 games and Emma Navarro has lost 61.
That is an extraordinary discrepancy. I'm looking into whether it's the most amount of games lost by a Grand Sam quarter finalist because it's very rare for someone to win.
four three set matches in a row to get to the quarters so I think it could well be in the conversation and yet it doesn't feel like she's feeling it physically as you say she's she's so so physically strong and and kind of kind of using it all to her advantage but If there is a match where it's going to catch up with her, you would think it might be against Igor's fiancé.
They've only played once before. I had a really weird time looking up their head to head. And it was in 2018 when... I'm not sure I was aware of either of these two people's existence in 2018. And Svantec won... Sorry, Navarre won only two games and it was at a tournament owned by her dad. Okay. Probably not one to have top of mind going into that quarterfinal.
No, I mean, and it's another argument for why maybe best of three is the way forward, that you can play four deciding sets like that and still have enough left for the quarterfinal. I think the problem is I just can't see any other way that she's going to get outplayed. And unless she's going to have to raise her level big time, because she's not playing anywhere near as well as she was at the US Open. And Sviantec's playing off the charts better. So...
Tell you what, it'd be interesting to know what Navarro's game plan ends up being. She's got a great coach, hasn't she, Navarro? We got to know him a bit on her US Open run and we were all really impressed with what he had to say. But yeah, it feels... It feels like Everest for Emma Navarro. The other women's quarterfinal that was set up today is Alina Svitolina against Madison Keys. Svitolina.
One of the stories of the day, I think, 6-4-6-1 for her over Veronica Kudomitova, who was struggling physically by the end of this match, it has to be said, that second set scoreline definitely largely attributable. to Kudomitova's injury, but an incredible fight back from Svitolina in the first set. She won 11 of the last 12 games from 4-1 down in the opening set. a match between a Ukrainian and a Russian, so some awkwardness there, no handshake.
Svitolina wrote a message for Ukraine on the camera and she is now 7-0 against Russian players since the start of the war. Wow, I did not know that. And she spoke about how she was like, yeah, it is extra motivation. Absolutely. She said she feels it in her heart when she steps onto court against them.
The trajectory of this match was quite similar to the Paolini match, you know, like a down at the start Svitolina. But once she got into it... just absolutely ran away with it and reeled off so many consecutive games and yeah it's it's wonderful to see Svitolina still still out there doing this doing it for her country as well and playing a brand of tennis that
frankly, is my favourite version of Svitolina in her whole career. The way she's taking charge of rallies and points against these players is so, so great to see. Yeah, like I'm just so impressed with Svitolina. And she's doing it all with two screws in her ankle.
This had passed me by, the surgery that she had at the end of last year. I knew she was struggling physically throughout the latter half of last year. She said in press today that she should have stopped her season way sooner than she did. She was playing in agony.
doesn't know how she even won the two rounds at the US Open that she did. She was in so much pain after round two that she couldn't walk. She was having injections. She talked about draining cysts. It was all... pretty horrific stuff had surgery at the end of last year her first surgery and um you know it's quite late in her career to get to with no surgery quite late in her life you know i'd had i'd had general anesthetic at the age of
seven for a broken nose you know it's quite a big deal to have general anaesthetic for the first time and she was like yeah I've had a baby you'd think that it wouldn't be a big deal but I was really nervous so that was all really interesting and yeah here she is again a bit like like really not a given that she would come back to this level after what happened at the end of last season and she's obviously got a lot more miles on the clock than Alex de Menor so I
I think it's an incredible story, really. And she's got a good chance in this semi-final against Madison Keys. She beat Elena Rabatkinner today, 6-3, 1-6, 6-3. Not the highest quality match I've seen this tournament. Patchy. I mean, Madison Keyes' highs are incredibly high. What a ball striker. I mean... It's a match that actually exceeded my expectations because I feared that Rabakina just would not be physically competitive at all and she actually seemed...
mostly okay physically by the end of the match. I don't know whether there is an element of her body warming up. to the challenge at all but it was you know it was a proper tennis match it wasn't just about Rebecca and his back injury by the third set and this is a This is a fourth Australian Open quarterfinal for Madison Keyes, her 11th major quarterfinal overall. When will I learn that Madison Keyes does this? Yeah, she's...
I'm always overlooking her. Same here. I still feel like she will kind of have to play pretty lights at tennis if Svitilin is fit and playing well. You know, I think... Svitolina's the more reliable game. That's the one that's not going to miss so often and she's got some aggression there too. So...
She inevitably got given some stuff by Rebecca today because of her physical health and her game style. I don't know, I favour Svitolina in this match. I think she's going to be a little bit too solid for her. What do you two think? She leads the head-to-head, doesn't she, Svitolina? 3-2, I believe, having won their middle three matches, including some Grand Slam matches.
Yeah, I think I favour Svitolina as well. It looked to me like Madison Keyes might have hit a physical wall in this match today, and obviously she still came through and won it, and that's to her great... credit there was a lot of grit in her performance out there you know Rabakina particularly injured Rabakina gives you no rhythm at all
And, well, Madison Keys is no stranger to giving opponents no rhythm. But, yeah, it was a patchy match, but I wasn't... quite sure about keys physically she's played a lot of tennis having won the adelaide title it's that balance isn't it obviously it's awesome to win a title the week before but it's also a bit of a poison chalice isn't it so i
I think I favour Svitolina. And just thinking ahead, if Fiontek wins against Navarro, who do we think she would rather face in the semis? I mean, obviously, Keyes has got the... the point-ending power that can rock you back, you know, that big flat hit, which generally is the mould of player that we look out for with Igor Fiontech. I don't know, for some reason I'm not really considering...
I haven't really considered Keyes before as a really, really dangerous opponent for Svantec, in the way that I have an Ostapenko or a Bacchino or a Noskova. I don't know why. I've seen them play on clay, and Igor Svantec has won. obviously, because she tends to beat everyone on clay. But then Svitolina's got a win over Svantec at Wimbledon in a slam. That's an interesting factor, isn't it?
the fact that she has that win over her and it's not long ago obviously grass is a big point there I think that impacts both of them to some degree but I don't think she would fear or worry about anybody if she's playing this sort of tennis. The only players who can beat her, in my mind, are the ones on the other side of the draw. And this tournament, I suppose, has been...
An interesting point here is that Fiontech's had some very tough draws in majors that she hasn't won over the last... couple of years you know like here last year you know where she had what was it Kennan Collins Noskova first three rounds and she had some tricky opponents at Wimbledon first up like draws matter and I think
Igor Fiontech, OK, she's playing brilliantly, but she's also had a draw that, OK, when it came out, we thought, oh, that's quite tricky for Igor Fiontech. But actually, they weren't... They were names, but they weren't necessarily the type of players that caused her... big problems and she's been able to really work her way into this draw and now she's completely hit her stride as we've seen in the last couple of matches and she's in brilliant brilliant form so she's you know she's
She's taken advantage of kind of the hand that she was dealt with. Just finally on Rabatkin, she cut a pretty sad figure in the press conference today, obviously dealing with this. with this back injury and, you know, having lost, but she looked lost to me. She was, you know, very red in the face. She'd played in the heat of the day.
But it was just a tough sight to see. And she was asked the first question, I think, by Matt Futterman of The Athletic, about whether not being able to have Stefano Vukov, her former coach, who on the eve of this tournament... announced on Instagram would be rejoining the team Matt Futterman asked her whether that affected her this tournament not being able to have him in her coaching box and she said yes I wasn't able to have the people there that I...
that I wanted and I do just wonder that confirmation that she wants to have Stefano Vukov back in her team as a coach which seemed pretty clear to me that's what she was saying I do wonder what that will mean for the relationship with Goran Ivanovic moving forward, you know, we'll wait for news. But I would be surprised if Goran was up for sharing that role.
Well, at all, quite frankly, but certainly with Stefano Vukov, given everything going on with him, and we still await the outcome of the WTA's reports into him. So if there's news, we will bring it to you. Folks, that's it for part two. We'll be back in part three with a look ahead to tomorrow's order of play and a Djokovic Channel 9 TJ scandal update. Hey guys, it's Jake here from the High Performance Podcast. We're currently sponsored by Salesforce.
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Welcome back to part three of the Tennis Podcast, where we're about to have a look ahead to tomorrow's order of play. But before we do, an update on the story that took everybody by storm and by surprise late last night. Djokovic's refusal to do an encore interview with Jim Currier, who's working here for Channel 9 amongst other broadcasters. And he's making it clear both in the press conference and on his Instagram that that was in process.
I noticed at something that Channel 9 host Tony Jones did on air, which he viewed as disrespectful towards him and his Serbian fans here at Melbourne Park. He said he wouldn't be... doing an interview with Channel 9 until he had received a public apology. We did uncover yesterday that an apology had been issued by Tony Jones to the website.
sports club but he wanted a public apology did Novak and he got one on the Channel 9 News this morning uh tony jones being interviewed by colleague clint stanaway um he he apologized he did the old apology for any offense cause that
category of apology. He wanted to make it very clear that he had already apologised to Djokovic the day before and he had offered to meet Djokovic and his team and he thought... that that was sufficient but it's very clear that what Djokovic meant was a public apology on Channel 9 because obviously they were the network that put out the original
broadcast that offended Djokovic. So he got that this morning. It was slightly comical that it happened on the news show and then TJ brings the tennis coverage on air and there's no mention of it. No mention of it whatsoever. Don't mention the war. I mean, really, I kind of assumed it would be brought up several times and that the pundits would get a chance to make fun of him a little bit, you know?
Probably that's how I would have handled it. But I think that they were probably a little bit too worried about it going off script and inflaming the situation. So we heard nothing. And yes, what a strange old story. Strange 24 hours, but... It seems to have done the job. We received this statement this afternoon from Tennis Australia. Not entirely sure why it's Tennis Australia.
issuing this statement and not Djokovic or Team Djokovic or Channel 9 or... I don't know. I mean, it doesn't surprise me that Tennis Australia were involved in brokering this detente, but... Anyway, the statement came from Tennis Australia saying Novak acknowledges the apology has been given in public as requested and is now moving on and focusing on his next match. And we shall do the same.
Although, having said that we're moving on, I do think whether it has a hangover in terms of crowd support tomorrow or crowd reaction will be... Very interesting indeed, the extent to which the situation is totally diffused. But anyway, this is the order of play tomorrow. This is how it is all stacking up. We start at 11.30 on the Rod Laver Arena. You'll be shocked to hear the women are first. Coco Goff against Paola Bedossa. Then it's Tommy Paul against...
Alexander Zverev and the night session Arena Sabalenka against Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova followed by Novak Djokovic against Carlos Alcaraz it's
It's going to be a late one. That's the only prediction I have. Yeah, and it's going to be a tantalising one. Obviously, the Alcaraz Djokovic is just... pretty much the ultimate in the sport in men's tennis I think in you know the women's tennis where if we get Sabalenka Goff and if we get the winner to meet Svante we'll be having the same conversation again and and there's also Siena maybe in the final for the
the winner of Djokovic and Alkraz here. But I mean, what a special thing this is. I know that not everybody likes the idea of the meeting in the quarterfinals. Personally, I love it because it kind of makes it more likely to happen. Still other matches down the track as well. But, you know, right from the start of the order of play there, I mean, the Coco golf match against Barossa is interesting. I'm fascinated by it. I've been...
Pulling hard for the idea that I think Tommy Paul could beat Alexander Zverev. I'm not finding much support, got to be honest. Everybody I put that to... thinks that things have moved on since they last met each other three years ago and reckon that Zverev will take him out. But I still think there's every chance for Tommy Paul. I think there's a chance.
I hear you. I think head-to-heads are, they count for something. And I agree that I'm quite taken by what he said at the end of the press conference yesterday that he told us about on the pod. But I do think Zverev is the favourite. pretty strong favourite. Does anyone want to go near a prediction for the last match of the day?
So I find myself going back and forth between Djokovic and Alcaraz because I think that they're both such compelling tennis players and they're both capable of winning this match three sets to love or eking it out. in five. Although I do think that if it goes the distance I favour our crowds because of the physicality and because of his increasing record at that distance.
I'm going to go Alcraz, but as I said yesterday, I think it could be coming from behind. But I think he'll get there. Alcraz to win is my prediction too.
I've been thinking about it a lot today, you know, and, you know, I've been thinking about the element here of Alcaraz's... new service technique against the Novak Djokovic return that strikes me as a pretty key battleground here like how will Alcaraz's new technique hold up under that kind of pressure and scrutiny which he won't have faced so far I think for Alcaraz there's the element of
the Olympics final and that being the toughest loss of his career. And look, I don't think he's scared of Novak Djokovic, but I think he was pretty shocked by the level that Novak Djokovic produced in that final just off the back of...
of the Wimbledon final when he'd beaten him pretty handily and easily. And, you know, that might be a, that might be a... good thing for Alcaraz that he's that he's ready for Novak Djokovic to produce that kind of level he's not going to be shocked this time I think if it happens again and
The other thing I'm thinking about is, you know, I said maybe it could be a bit like the Sinner match here last year, Sinner Djokovic, where you start watching it and you think, gosh, like the younger guys just... better at the moment like faster stronger better but I think
Novak Djokovic will be different in this match. One of the defining features of that match last year was how flat Djokovic was. And now thinking back on it, shortly after, he ended the relationship with Goran Ivanovic. And looking back now, it felt... like that match was kind of the end like there was just nothing left really he wasn't very vocal to his box in that match Djokovic but all tournament we've seen Novak Djokovic
very very vocal on the court whether it be with his box with the umpire with people in the crowd and I think he's going to try and bring all of that to bear on Carlos Alcaraz and it's going to be up to Alcaraz to deal with that you know that's a that's a big element that Djokovic can impose that kind of force of personality on a match. And if anyone can defy it, I do think it's Carlos Alcarez. And ultimately, I think Alcarez is tennis at, what is he, 21?
will power him through. But I don't think we're going to get a flat Novak Djokovic like we got in the semi-final against Sinner last year. God, you're talking me into Djokovic here, Matt. And, like, when we've... Like, that's the only time, really, in, like, the business end of the Australian Open. where Novak Djokovic has lost. Otherwise, he wins on this call. Ten times. And the Andy Murray factor. What's Andy Murray been doing today, I wonder?
Not watching Channel 9. What have they been concocting? Or maybe watching Channel 9. If he has been, he definitely thinks Alex Liminore is winning this title and what Novak Djokovic does is largely irrelevant. keep thinking about specific scenarios for this match like what is sort of Occam's razor type stuff like what are the most plausible individual scenarios and I just think
I'm very seduced by the argument you made last night about Djokovic finding something to rail against, about everything you've just said, Matt. But then I just think Alcaraz is too good a tennis player to lose. in straight sets. I just find that really hard to see. And then I think Alcaraz doesn't lose in five sets. Certainly not to a 37-year-old. Still, he's only ever lost to Matteo Berrettini in five sets, and that was three years ago here. That was before he'd won a Grand Slam title.
different Carlos Alcaraz so then I think okay logically there's only one scenario in which I can see Novak Djokovic winning and that's in four sets whereas I could see Alcaraz winning in three four
I feel like all of those are on the table. Now, obviously, tennis is not as logical as that. If I know anything, it's that it's that. But this is such a head scramble. That's the only way I've been able to kind of reach any kind of... peace about it so i think alcaraz well i i see where you're coming from for sure okay well i'll keep going back and forth because of you two i'm gonna go so i'm gonna stick with alcaraz but
I love the fact that there are factors at play here that I cannot predict. I don't know what Djokovic is going to bring to the table with Andy Murray in his corner. Imagine he comes out with a completely different... game plan you know and Andy Murray designed you know imagine Andy Murray's done like a big presentation on
You know, like in detective shows where people have a wall with pins on them and rubber bands connecting the pins. Maybe Andy Murray's prepared a presentation. I dare say. This is what you need to do. I imagine they have watched. that Olympic final back I bet Murray's been studying that because if you remember what Djokovic did is he tried to hurt him early by hitting out he didn't settle into to patterns he just went for him and and it really played but he was playing
I think he was playing better then than he's playing now. I think he's playing well. I said last night that he was playing really well when he got to the Olympics. You know, he sort of hit his straps. The only other thing is that serve of Alcraz that you keep referencing... If that keeps getting rammed back down his throat, under his toes on the baseline, Alcaraz, I think he might lose his confidence. Yeah, I think shocking Alcaraz is big for Djokovic in terms of the hitting out.
Get him to panic, because he can panic and it can go off the rails still. I feel like it's getting better, but that is not eradicated from his game. Will John be there? Hope so. Let's hope so. Excited, excited, excited. Anyone seeing any upsets in the women's matches tomorrow or are we going Sabalenka-Goth? Yeah. I'm going Sabalenka golf. I think the last round or so they really...
started to find their form. Look, neither of them have winning head-to-heads in those match-ups. Goff is even with Bedossa and Sabalenka is trailing. The Sabalenka one in particular doesn't feel that relevant to me. Nor to Anastasia Pavlyuchenko. These best players, when they get to the quarters onwards at slams, I start backing them pretty much.
Across the board. And it's going to be hot again tomorrow and Goff is playing in the heat of the day. Look, I know Bedosa doesn't mind the heat, but Goff lives for the heat. And I think that's going to be big for her as well. Cannot wait. We will be here at the end of it all to try and...
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A bit different. And George says, we moved here just in time for the Olympics. And George went to the Olympics tennis and the highlight was seeing Irani and Paolini win. Oh, George. Which does sound like a highlight. Like George Diaz, the former umpire. I wonder if George watched George Bastl beat Pete Sampras at Wimbledon. Great shout. Great shout. Are these the most famous tennis Georges? Julia Gerges?
sort of wife of Wesley Koolhoff and former player yes I do think the first time I ever saw her play I probably did say Julia Georges because that is how It seems to be spelt, but yes, Gerger's pronunciation. We're going to get a lot of messages about tennis Georges, aren't we? George Jr. Found some.
He plays tennis. Yep. We're going to wake up to an email from Pam now, aren't we? A message from Pam. Today we woke up to, as a result, exactly as we asked for, a lot of emails about whether TJ is a national treasure. And the verdict was pretty unanimous in one direction, but we shan't be mean. OK, thank you for listening, folks. That's it for today. We will be back tomorrow. It's going to be a belter. We'll speak to you then.
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