¶ Sexism in Language and Boat Names
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk , the Tedcast . Welcome all Greyhound fans , welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world . It's the lasso way around these parts with Coach , coach and Boss , without further ado , coach Castleton .
Okay , welcome back everyone . Today we are deep diving Wayne , season 1 , episode 5 . This is Chapter 5 . It is entitled Del . It is an exploration into part of Del's life we haven't seen . I am your host , coach Castleton , and with me is always this Coach Bishop .
This episode is a fucking haggle of herds of emotions over here .
And our boss Emily Chang .
This isn't about the episode explicitly , but it's real bullshit that the avuncular is not only a kick-ass word , like it just sounds cool , but that there isn't the equivalent for ants . Avuncular literally means it's like an uncle . It's a thing that an uncle does , and I've been out here , ainting the shit out of everybody for years for no adjective .
It's real bullshit .
Avuncular .
Mmmmm , Somebody said ontastic , antastic . One of those it's good but , like just like fucking language , so sexist that's patriarchal bullshit .
It's complete nonsense . I remember having a humongous back and forth with my Spanish teacher senior year , who was also our dean for senior year , and being like why is everything man ? And he was like , oh , I don't have anything to do with gender and monosubmitted . And I was like bullshit .
Nah , it's bullshit . You're right , it's bullshit .
That's fine . We're just gonna say less because we say so Great , do not even fucking try it . That that is why , yeah , no .
I mean even in the way that we refer to inanimate objects , like if you need to protect something or take care of something a boat , a country , all those other things they're always hers . She , what the fuck is with that ? She doesn't get to be anything cool , it's a mess .
Both our cars are boys now , and I feel good about it Johnny B and Pierre .
I think it's nice that boats are she . No , I always thought that was very elegant . I didn't think it was a way to coach God damn it coach . I just thought it was like a . I thought it was kind of charming . That's a she . A spaceship is a she . I think that's .
Listen the best , the best part . I I often feel like audio platform , audio platform , and I think most of the time 90% of what's going on is either given over or is evident . But I regret , buttercups and all listeners , that you didn't get to experience the nonverbal portion of boss turning instead of leaning away from the camera .
Let me not get any of your fucking man on you .
It was great and then just hmm , like not a word , not a , just a hmm , I think and we can get into this more in the show I think that the issue is even in what's the word that I'm looking for here .
There's a form of sexism that it's like , where you put women either on a pedestal or you try to infantilize them and you're like oh no , no , no , it's , it's nice , it's very nice that we think that women are more confident than men . There is not anything that exists within a patriarchal system that would benefit women over men .
So , whatever it is , whatever thing you're coming up with , if you're like oh well , women are great communicators , that is so men can be shitty communicators and blame that on something other than themselves .
So if we say it's elegant , it's nice , like a cruise ship is you know of , like that's impressive and big , and calling it a woman would be no , no , it's some bullshit . It's so that you could talk about possession and ownership and maintenance and protection and all of those things .
Even if we think it's not bad that we do those for women , we say that women require those as a way of making them less competent .
It's never good .
It's never good .
I've never been so thankful that my wife is sick of me and would never listen to a podcast on more , because I don't need her soaking up that kind of shit . I don't need that . I had enough . God damn problems . Oh , definitely .
The boss , I trust that you're right about this , but I'm gonna have to rethink it because I have a boat and it's funny when we you name your boat because we live on a lake .
So we have a little , you know , tiny little boat to a water scene and I don't remember ever actually thinking that , oh , I got to , we got to give this a feminine name , but I definitely never thought , oh , this is a good boy . I don't know why , like a boat , that's a boy seems like almost hysterical to me .
It's because of that , it seems like a stupid lunk head like .
You know what I mean , because boats are so awesome and sleek and cool and they cut through the water and they're fun and all these other things . I never thought like of a boat as something I don't know . If you say like , okay , I'm gonna name this boat like Kevin , it makes it so fucked up somehow .
But I mean , it's not like we name our boats , rachel , but we they have cool fun names , but it's Duchess or Princess or Seaward or whatever else .
It's always a woman , always referred to as a woman . Never , never , never , never .
Kevin , I'm gonna name my fucking boat Kevin now , and it's gonna be everybody on Kevin . Let's go . Kevin's getting bored waiting for everybody to board . The only thing that's we always name our boats is this thing , yeah , good , there's a decent chance .
Kevin's gonna be unreliable and loud .
So like that's the other side of it and dirty .
And dirty and a little smelly . Who needs this shit ? And maybe like tries to get through the day without a shower and thinks you won't notice , you know , whereas the boat we have would be very nice and it keeps you good .
I like that . That boss highlighted the pedestal piece because one of the best descriptions of damn it . The word is escaping me now Like laying your coat across a puddle .
Oh , chivalry .
Chivalry . One of the best descriptions of chivalry I've ever heard is getting women or keep standing women on pedestals so we can look up their skirts .
Yeah , yeah , that too yeah .
And I was like , wow , that says a ton so that you grab that particular imagery of you know what goes on in a patriarchy . It made me go oh , I see that .
Nothing I know is good . I know I hate that feeling . I hate that feeling .
I hate it . I feel like I say a phrase and then someone's like well , you know , that comes from this genocidal attack on these people and that was the chorus that the rapist sang . And I'm like , oh my .
God really Like , yeah , yeah , yeah , I thought it was just like a little ditty and now all of a sudden , I'm like celebrating what the fuck ?
Wait .
I feel like it happens constantly where you're like , wait , that comes from what ?
Yeah , yeah yeah , I'm around the .
Rosie , yeah , yeah , I know I think seriously there's so many of them that you're like wait what ?
Yeah , but the one I have to look , I don't know , I don't know this one , but like someone's , someone in over Thanksgiving was like , oh , I'm going to get more bang for the buck . And the Jillian and I looked at each other and we're like is that ? What's the origin of that ?
And I so do and don't want to know right now Like I'm like Google never Google back . No , that's horrifying . I've already thought of like two to three possibilities , each more awful than the next . So I can only imagine oh , here we go .
Well , so it's still not great , but not as terrible as you might imagine .
¶ Discussion on Military and Support
It first originated in the military and the 1960s as expenditures for firepower , so it's not . It's not about sex work . It is about killing as many people as you can with as few bombs as possible .
I had a feeling there was a bomb . I had a feeling there was a bombing version . I guess at least this is legal Right . I'm like people on mass to prove a point . Not sure that's great , but okay .
Let's just let's , yes , okay , oh my God , I want to like now . I want to deep dive this because , yes , listen , in a lawful society , the military is there for your protection , and of course we're not .
I don't know , I know , look it , I know , I know there are sovereign nations and , unfortunately , might makes right in this world , which is , which is hellacious , but like , if you have no military , some idiot is going to walk in and take your and take your , your , your vegetables .
So I'm just going to say I come from a military family and it's it's not , it's not all . I think we do a thing where we're so easy to take one side of every of every , take a position on every topic . But there's a thing where you remember how the military used to say they went through this was like a real 1980s Reaganomics type of thing .
But they would go and they would look through the military's expenditures and they find out a toilet seat was 5000 bucks and a screwdriver like a screwdriver would be a 10 grand or something . Yeah , I'd be like a $40,000 screwdriver , but it was listed as a precision tightening tool or something like that . You know what I mean . And 40 grand , right , and so .
So ultimately , more bang for the buck in a military environment actually saves the taxpayers money in a hypothetical sense . None of us are foolish enough to believe that's ever been the case with the American military industrial complex , but I for one at least . We'll say we should support our military and support the people .
There are great people in the military , I mean across , across the board . They're really true wonderful people who really care and who keep us all very safe and and and they should be lauded .
Well , yes , and to that .
And at one point I was at a , I was at a White Tux game actually , and though they were , you know , honoring this , honoring this man , and he had been in the military or whatever , and I had , during that very same game , chosen not to stand for the anthem for reasons that I would think are obvious , but anyway , you can DM me if you want to know and
basically I found myself standing like I wasn't asked to stand for him , but I stood for him and I was asked to stand for the anthem and I basically was like , yeah , you can go fuck yourself . And for me that is the exact distinction that you just laid out . Like I was like , oh , I respect him .
Like he went and faced down the bullets and did the whole goddamn thing . Bravo , veterans Day , all the parades , the Veterans Administration where my mother worked , the way they run that thing is a disgrace , like one of the worst things about our , all the things . If you're a veteran , I have the opposite of a problem with you .
But if we're talking about the military , like it's such a weird right , like it's such a but . I am 100% with you . I'm with that man , like because of me . I got approached when I was in high school like this guy saw me on the street walking or whatever . I'm gonna tell him my mom , she was like this guy , how you walk around .
I was like what's that mean , bobby ? But anyway , but I remember like , oh no , like I get that that's cool , like I get you know that they're heroes . I read a lot of books , so I'm going to see if maybe I can do something else than get shot at again . What ?
do you mean approach ?
No , I was just . I was walking on street and he walked . The guy walks up to me . I can show you , it's like some recruiter blah , blah , blah and he's like you know , hey , you know what are you doing .
But if you check this out , he's like really talking me up and I mean it wasn't like I was the only person on the block , like I don't know how you pick me out , but he like like , like a , like a homing missile . He's just like like right to me and was like hey , can I tell you about this ? And you want to take a look at that ?
And blah , blah , blah , blah . And I was like okay , I have to go now , but I'm 16 . So you're a little early , but yeah , it's never too early to think about Uncle Sam . Exactly , exactly . But yeah , I have known who , and people are in the military for all sorts of reasons .
Not everybody is like , yeah , drop me out of a plane , I can't wait to be behind enemy lines . Some people are like I got to pay for school . Some people are like I don't know what to do with my life and my parents said either I got to go to college or come here , and I wasn't going to go to fucking college . So here I am .
I mean , there's all sorts of ways people end up in the military .
I feel so , yes , we're going to get it . We got to get under way , but I was Army ROTC for two years in college and it was like some of the best times in my whole life and I got to do things I never , ever would have done .
I was in this thing called the Civil Air Patrol before that in high school , which is like a Air Force auxiliary , and I got to do other things that I never would have done and , like you know , it's made me a better writer . It's made me a better person .
It's made me understand , like and not look at the military , for example , in a binary fashion , like there's nuance to everything . There's good and bad everywhere . So , yes , I just want to salute the good , the good of it all , because there's a lot of it there . Okay , so , wayne , we are
¶ Discussion on Episode 5 of Wayne
Wayne . Episode five Dell is a punch directly in the solar plexus and it goes on for 31 minutes of just soul drenching , anticipatory misery .
That's yes , I'm going to let you finish , but it was that , and I don't like that feeling . That is the definition of anxiety , and you just helped me understand why . I was like they've been rough moments in all the episodes , but I've never felt so exhausted and like , please , God , let is this over yet as I did during this one .
I just wanted it to be over . Yeah , we asked you to check the time at one point because I was like please , god , don't let that be the middle , because I had it thought like dramatically , I was like that could have been the mid act Orlando , like I'm not sure when we started and I thought if we're only 15 minutes in , like I might need a break .
But luckily it was not the mid act and we were almost done .
Yeah , no , no , you guys were in on it right away . We open with Dell walking out of high school fully bloody . We get an extreme close up on our necklace . It says Dell . We get the title part of Dell and then chapter five .
We get the chiron on the screen and it says quickly want to call out that it's where Wayne would usually be and you know , make sense . But I thought it was cool even at rather than the font being just Dell in the Wayne font that it was gold and it was . It just feels . It just feels entirely different .
So it did set us up , for this is a very specific , a very special episode of Wayne .
You're right . I mean , this was a departure . How much ? How much did we see Wayne in this episode ?
That would be zero .
Yep , none , none did not see Wayne , the titular character of the series , and Sarah Bravo , who plays Dell , is every bit . It's almost a shame that this episode , that the series is called Wayne and not Wayne and Dell , because there is a element of this where she's every bit as integral to the story as he is and she really gets to shine in this episode .
We cut from the title card to Dell underwater and this is funny because she's doing handstands underwater in a pool and she pops up , she's laughing , she's happy . There's like a pretty brunette woman sitting on the edge of the pool . And who is this boss ?
Oh , that'd be your mom , diana .
Yeah , yes , I think it's Donna , donna , oh yeah .
See , this is why . This is why I needed it on two screens . My eyesight is too terrible .
It's funny , I know . The first time I saw the necklace it flashed and I was like , oh Diane , I said the same thing . But yeah , it's , it's Donna . And and what are they doing here in the pool ?
They're doing handstands . They're goofing around . Dell is doing handstands , telling her mom that she should do him too . Her mom is like no , I can't , her mom has a drink . They're hanging out .
Yeah , her mom can't do handstand . I'm not to be meant to be upside down , not unless your father's behind me .
Right .
No listen .
I'm all for some good humor , but I don't need to hear that joke from anybody's mother . Frankly , I don't even know if I want to hear that from my children's mother as a not frame that way , jesus Christ .
I don't even know how that was .
Yeah , this is a whole thing like about sex jokes with your kids . I told you one of my theories in a way to destigmatize you know , like remember I said we talked about this many times like , oh , there's a kissing scene in a movie or kids get nervous because they're things .
I've always been very vocal and like supportive of that to try to not make it creepy and weird and whatever . I'm also not like you know , a let you about it . I'm like , oh , that's great . This is like . You know , like I just want to be supportive about it .
So , because I don't like that feeling of awkwardness and weirdness and so but but I would not make the particular joke that Donna makes here . It's a , it's a little bit beyond the pale , but they're having a bonding session . The second that boss and coach saw sort of a happy bonding session between Dell and her mom .
They both started shaking their heads in anticipation were a minute and 30 seconds and change into the episode and I can't speak for boss . I saw coach start to die . It's just like the life force leaving his body a minute .
It's awful . It's awful I just realized , by the way , in real time , because we just watched it together I just realized that my , my abdomen is relaxing .
Oh , so I just because that's something I'm a touch with for my own work , because I got to pay attention , so I don't , you know , snap anybody's neck because I didn't realize how pissed I was getting , and so , yeah , that's a real thing . Apparently , I was like clenching my abdomen through a good part of this episode .
So if that gives anyone an indication of my experience , so yeah , that's , that's a horrible coach , but I'm glad at least it's unclenching . You're saying that Dell and mom are sitting on the side of the pool . Donna's flirting with the sort of lifeguard that's on duty , handsome lifeguard , and Dell is the terrorist . You know Donna starts grilling her about what ?
Why doesn't she have a boyfriend ? And , you know , does like mom chill out . I think that guy actually goes to my school . Well , what kind of 14 year old girl does want a boyfriend ? The , the mom , is played by the always stunning Abigail Spencer . Are you guys familiar with that with her ? Do you know her ? Yeah , From .
I think I know her most from Mad Men and rectify . Right , that was her . Yeah , that's , I know , oh my God , yeah .
Yes , okay , mad Men . Yes , because I felt like I recognized her . But then I was like I'm making this up because I just couldn't , but yeah , okay , I got it .
Yep , she's like a . It's weird because I feel like everyone knows Abigail Spencer in one way or another . She's always . She's just a knockout . She does a . She's a very talented . The accent is not always right , which is which is it's such a we get . We get a couple characters in this episode .
We get Donna , delce , mom , and we get Natalie , who's still friend , and both of them the accent is not right . It's not . It's not like it's egregiously bad , but it's just off enough because everyone else is so on , it's noticeable and you're like and the thing is , abigail Spencer , you know she had a dialect coach .
You can just tell , you can tell she had a dialect coach , you can tell between the between scenes , before they start rolling , she's like wait , how do I say fought , fought tea , fought tea ? And you're like that . That doesn't sound right . It's not fought tea and it is .
I promise you that's exactly how you say it , but it doesn't come out of her mouth , right ? It's not natural , something about it . It's not natural , but it's just something that's also known .
Like you know you could say it right , Right , I mean , it's like she hasn't been saying it for her entire life .
It sounds like she's saying something in a foreign language ? Yes , but not to me , by the way .
Like I ? Was it Like if you told me like , oh they cat . I mean , now that I know who it is , I'm like , oh , that's why I recognize it . But like Big picture of you had said , oh , they cast this local . It's a great part of the story of Wayne . I'd been like oh , ok , that's great .
Like I wouldn't have at all , you know , pushed back or thought that couldn't be right .
Yeah , and listen , here's the thing . I get that out of the way because I thought her performance was spectacular and I thought she was absolutely amazing in this role . It's just that one little nitpicky thing that kept taking me out of it . But but yeah , she was . She was tremendous . So we find out in this scene that Del is thinking about doing what boss ?
Running for class president , which Donna unfortunately giggles at , thinking that it's a joke , that Del was being dry and sarcastic . And but then as soon as she realizes Del means it , she flips and says oh , of course you could do that Like we could , we can get you to do that , we'll make you posters , like totally on board .
Yeah , it may be a glimpse into the psyche of writers that this is a scene that like this moment of like someone not believing in you in such a fundamental way .
Obviously we saw this happen to Nate when he thought he was about to be nominated to go talk or self nominate himself to go talk to Roy , and Ted didn't know he was joking or thought he was joking , didn't know he was serious . So I don't know , there may be maybe over representation of people who felt very slighted and hurt amongst writers .
Right , it's a thing , this is a . It's a commentary on a structural dynamic , which is when people think your declaration is a joke .
It's because it's so far outside their understanding of who you are or what you are collectively as a family that it causes like a you know , like a hiccup of humor , because it doesn't , it doesn't comport with someone's you know sort of predisposed expectation .
So Nate says something and Ted has to , has to redirect , and then here you get Dale saying down road for president , and her mom was like oh yeah , that's funny . Like we're , we're dirtbags , we're not like president material . Oh shit , like you're serious . I want to point out that we're back in time here .
This is this is a year before Dell meets Wayne and the moment where we had a real , our first , real beautiful moment , nothing . That happened . When Del first met Wayne in his room . It was like kind of cute in a weird way , where they sort of bought it like oh , put your back to me , how tall are you ? All that stuff was , you know , that's good .
But the moment where he goes to her house and he says he's sitting behind in front of her and she's in the back and he says , yeah , I'd vote for you .
I 100% thought of that and I thought that's how it ended up earning a kiss . I mean , it was a sweet moment and it made sense . And if we didn't have this about this character , or if this hadn't even been part of this character's backstory , it still would hold up perfectly . But this moment I went .
Oh so , since Wayne , this is her first voter , like this is her first right , like this is yeah . So anyway , it definitely landed on bringing that back .
I wanna point out that I see some similar as we're gonna go into this . You remember how I went to bat quite a bit for Shandy Because I said , like she's got all these skills , she's got the like . She's naturally attractive , she's got , you know , looks .
She's got personality , she's got charisma , she's got it was all these different elements or personality that no one helped her with . You know what I mean . She's just this unpolished diamond kind of thing or unpolished gem . And yeah , and unfortunately Shandy did not use her powers for good .
There's a little bit of that in Donna where it's like she's got a bunch of things that if she knew how to put them together , you know if she had some support along the way this is Coach Castleton's help economy . If someone had gone through and said , hey , what are you good at ?
Like , let's like figure these things out and let's see , like you know you have a little challenge here with school or you're dyslexic or you okay , so we're gonna help you get through that .
And then , like you know you have some natural artistic ability or you know you're really good at role playing or you know whatever it is to help guide her to a place where it could have been constructive .
I just wish there was something like that for her , and in the absence of any support , it seems she's had to construct her own sort of reality along with Bobby Lachetti , and it's almost like two kids playing house . We'll get to that point , boss . What do you have ?
to say .
¶ Social Issues and Class Differences Discussion
I'm not sure that I see that yet at this point and this is one of the things that I feel like you and I are gonna disagree about the idea of the help economy .
I think that we do see her do a couple of things that I'm like listen , man , I fucking get it , but as a mother , you're gonna need to cut that shit out because you have people depending on you . There isn't a thing up until now I don't think I've seen her do anything wrong .
There isn't a single thing that I'd be like oh , you need help , you need somebody to give you the assistance that you would need to improve this . I think everything that she's done up until right here at this point in the scene totally fine , no complaints .
I wouldn't say wrong , but I would say when she flirts with the lifeguard , I am like all right , that's come on , we don't need that . That wasn't great , Not great Donna .
I don't know how much I trusted that to be sincere , as much as you know like .
I had a college friend whose mom , when she would come down for parents' weekend , just flirt shamelessly with every kid everybody who came around and like that was just sort of her thing , and maybe as her kid you'd be like mom fucking the shit , but for everybody else it's like , oh , that's just what she does .
I don't think that she would have done anything with this teenager , so I'm not weird or creeped out .
We could probably have a long discussion about the appropriateness or the what is flirting because Boss talks about ?
Like , if you follow Boss's social media accounts at all , she flirts with all kinds of people and my sense is never that it's anything more than you know , like just a fun thing that is part of , like a component of your personality and just something you do and have fun and whatever . So maybe it is like that with Donna .
I know like if it was my mom , I'd be actually what am I talking about ? My mom flirted with everybody , so yeah , I probably am a little bit of yeah , I was thinking like , yeah , no she , yeah , my mom's still this . So , yes , anyway , at this point I think you're right , boss , at this point there's nothing like that .
But I'm sort of projecting forward into you know these elements of you know , when you used to see Shandy , sort of you know she would hit the peak and then it wouldn't plateau or get better . It would be like sort of go down or make an error and you sort of tighten up and wince there's elements of that with Donna .
Okay , so , coach , walk us through this scene here , the rest of this scene . They're just sitting here talking .
Yeah , but you know I'm not the kind of person people notice that going back and forth , mom , you know , maybe they notice you if your nose wasn't in a book . I thought there was some interesting what I'll call class tells with Donna . What kind of 14 year old doesn't want a boyfriend ?
Like for a lot of the parents I know that's called the kind of 14 year old I'm trying to raise . Yeah , like I'm not saying like I'm fine , you know , I shit , I was a mess in high school so I'm far , far be it for me to judge anybody .
But like the idea that mom's reaction is like well , I wouldn't have to flirt with him if you'd get to fucking work . It's like , oh , it's interesting . And then even the piece about the nose in a book right , like , almost , like that's a pretty big tell . It's yeah , right , like we like what's the story with her in the books ?
And I'd say it's also like it's like oh , okay , but I feel like it's an extension of .
I feel like Donna's mom or maybe grandmother , but somebody close to Donna said something that sounded a lot like boys don't make passes and girls wear glasses , like I just feel like it's of that brand of like what are you busy learning shit for Like that ain't gonna help you make a baby .
Oh , my God , that's a thing . I heard that sing song , you think that boys don't make passes at girls that wear glasses Like yeah , that's a .
Boss , have you heard that ?
I never heard that before .
Oh okay , I just wanted to make sure , like .
I was like maybe I know , I'm sure , maybe this is my .
What was it ? The Pepper ?
grinder . What was ?
it . No , no , no , no , it's not the song that .
Boss thought like had like taken over the world that was popular outside of like a three-blank the Perculator , the Perculator , perculator , perculator . I thought it was maybe the .
Perculator . I thought maybe this was my version of that . Maybe it's the Pepper grinder . Maybe that's why it didn't get more popular . Everybody know what a Pepper grinder is . I'm not sure what a Perculator is .
Sure , anyhow , yeah , no , no no , not that you mentioned that . I may have heard it years ago . I guess I haven't heard it in so long . Yeah , it's like two truly old schools .
That's why I made him the grammar . But to then have you know again , del , like the messaging is interesting . It's almost like she's informing the parents like I might have a future , you know , and her parents are like what Just throughout this ? That's very funny . College admissions officers will notice me correct .
Coach . That's how . That's a huge difference . Right there , they don't think about the future . No , like this mindset of this type of person , especially in this region , is like getting minute to minute through your existence , through the chore of your existence .
Yes , it's why there's so much drinking , it's why there's so much like projection and so much denial , because it's an exhausting existence and no , you know , you're on the fringe of society . There's no everyone's out to get you and you're on mind . There's never any cavalry coming . So why would you like have this hope for the future ?
The future is gonna shit on you .
Yes , yes To everything you just said , and I think it's incredibly hard for people who haven't lived that way , whether you say , well , it really is that way , or well , someone's already had money . If you're the kind of person who sees almost doesn't I was gonna say , sees the future as which , even that is like no , there's no seeing of the future .
Like that's the thing , and it always used to piss me off for a different community but where you know people live in the hood is like , oh , you got money to spend on Jordans . But I'm like , okay , listen , there's not gonna be any fucking early retirement . Okay , nobody . Like what are you talking about ?
Like that pair of Jordans is gonna be like one of the highlights of that person's fucking life . So , shut up . Like you know , it was the racist version of if you just didn't go to Starbucks , you'd be able to retire . I'm like , no , absolutely the fuck . Not . That's not the problem with the economy . Is people buying fucking lattes incorrect ?
So there's it's so , judgy , it's so . You know what I mean . No , no , no .
I'm not saying that's what you're saying . I'm saying , though , that that's a real . You're saying what is true , which is it's a real thing , and if you don't feel like there's much of a tomorrow , no , you're not gonna be . Like , oh , I really should be mindful of my drinking . Like for what ? Why ? Why should you be mindful of your drinking ?
I'm having fun right now or I'm not having fun right now ? Now sucks , and I wanna unsuck the now . And so pass me my fucking beer and shut the fuck up .
Right and so . So it's an outlook . Go ahead , boss .
The only thing I'm gonna say to that is when rich people drink , we don't assume the same things , and I think that what you're saying is not wrong . You are right about that .
But , number one , we judge poor people in a way that we don't judge rich people and , like smoking is more prevalent in poorer classes than richer classes , and part of that is that having a cigarette break to yourself , having the 10 or $20 that it costs to have a pack of cigarettes , does buy you peace of mind for a certain amount of time .
So there is an element of having an osmotic in order to do that .
I think it's a hell of a drug .
Well , not just that , but like , but yeah breathing is a hell of a drug . Breathing is a hell of a drug , but seriously yeah . But this is sort of the way that things become an issue , like we decided as a society that smoking is bad and therefore the people that are going to smoke are the ones who are not going to uphold societal norms .
So that does mean usually outcasts , which usually means poorer people , because we shove the outcast to the sides of society and don't give them money , and then also we judge them . We like make being poor and smoking gross and we tie , like we do so much shit to this that we don't do to rich people .
And then we're like , oh well , why poor people don't have a good outlook on life ? Well , fucking , that's because of the shit society does . That is not because of what they have done .
Like I want to be extremely clear in all this .
If poor people feel like they don't have the possibility of early retirement or focusing on their future , that is not because they are deficient in any way . That is because society is set up so that poor people have less power and have less to do . That this is a class issue . This is not an individual issue .
I mean this part of me and we're going to get to this . I guess I could keep walking us through . I'll say this piece and then we can keep going .
But a friend I may have shared this before , but a friend I was in college and whatever , but we were hanging out with some folk who grew up in New Haven , but we were all friends , we were all kicking it right and one day we're talking about whatever we're talking about , money comes up and this woman tells us that her mother taught her like taught her .
If you die owing , you won . Now I could see any number of people I know in my present life in circles being like , oh right , looking at me studying Charlie Munger , who . Rest in peace , charlie Munger . Not every podcast is going to give you a rest in peace , charlie Munger , but your boy did , because I know who the fuck that is . But I really did .
I studied value investing . I know what Charlie Munger was fucking talking about . I sat and listened to Charlie Munger talk about . But yeah , if you're living a certain way , that's 100% sound .
Certainly , if it's not sound advice , it's certainly a sound assessment of the reality in which they are living , which is we're never going to be on top of things , where our money's making money . What the fuck's everybody talking about ?
Hopefully I will die before I have to finish paying off this TV or the next TV , but that's the only way we're going to come up with a quote win . I think it's important to remember that these things come from real places .
We like to treat poverty and it's part of what you were saying about cigarettes we like to treat poverty like it's a moral dilemma , and so then what we're also able to do is have things that either were great when rich people were doing them , then when poor people do them , they become this other thing , or have people who are rich make the decisions that make
it so . So at one point , kenny Anderson I believe it was Kenny Anderson came out with some sneakers that were essentially , he was like these are the same fucking sneakers as Jordan's . If you cut these open literally , it's not like theoretically , a shoe is a shoe , it's like no , this is that shoe . And he branded it .
And he said because I don't want kids in the hood feeling like they've got to spend all this money for sneakers , and guess what , jordan's are still here and I don't even remember what the fucking name of Kenny Anderson shoes were .
Yeah , I mean also .
Decisions are made .
¶ Scamming the Hotel and Family Dynamics
And I am going out owing to hundreds of thousands of possible two credit card companies . Fuck Visa . I don't have any kids . I'm not leaving an inheritance . I will run up as much possible credit card debt as I can and take myself out of the 82 . Fuck them . Fuck them Banks .
I love . I love , I love Around . I don't know why I fuck Visa . I feel like we probably really don't want to do this , but I feel like that's the t-shirt . I feel like all these others were warm ups . They were just like us getting loose for fuck Visa . That was great . Fuck Visa Fantastic .
Well , I certainly understand the mentality . I don't subscribe to it typically , but I really do . I get it . And in boss , I think you and I are generally saying the same thing .
If these people had a little more help , a little more help along the way , they wouldn't have to be looking at futures that don't not having avenues to futures that are promised to other people when they're every bit is capable . If they just had a little help . So this scene is all about generally Donna teaching , telling Dell how to use what she has .
Sorry , we come from a line of women with little titties , but you got to use whatever you have . And blah , blah , blah accentuate the positive , and the entire thing is for Donna to show .
Dell how to scam the hotel .
They think it's the courtyard merry up . And so she charges some pina coladas to her room and then ultimately , Dell has she's not as on board with this , it's not her jam , so to speak . But her mom says all right , I got to go , and if anybody bothers you , we're Graciela Campos family or something like that , and we're here for a medical convention .
And then she takes off and pops a bunch of pills and when she comes back , Dell is getting grilled .
Wait wait , wait , wait , wait , wait , wait , wait , wait . Before you do that . This is a perfect example of what was just highlighted . She's popping pills . Well , who's pills are they ?
There's a woman who gets to stole her .
Yeah , Ms Campbell's with her fancy conference in her fancy room , probably has some friend who writes her scripts , probably doesn't even go to her actual doctor , but she gets to run around and act like she is like so much better than Donna . They literally would be high on the same exact thing at the same exact time .
Yes , you see what I'm saying . Yeah , that's a good point . Yeah , yeah , for sure .
I mean just very concrete example of that , the difference in sentencing between crack and cocaine , and then we'll move on from this whole point .
So when Donna heads out , we do get a little interstitial . We get this little cut to my favorite characters , Carl and Teddy trying to figure out what animal is in the wall of their house . It's meowing , and so Carl says it could be a possum , oh , and Teddy says it's not a possum and he says well , you got a PhD in possum now .
How the fuck do you know ? I just can't . And the other one doesn't know what a PhD is , so he thinks it's an HD . I just the beauty of this type of writing is heaven for me . But they can't figure out what's in the wall . They said maybe we can keep them . The cat in the wall will name him Drake .
That made me laugh out loud . I was like good god man , there's nothing you say that doesn't have some element of . I am so stupid like just weaving through it . I don't know why that , but that made me laugh . We can name .
Drake , no , no , no , it's . You know . It is what you feel badly for Drake that this is the impact .
This is weird as for you .
Maybe we can name the cat Drake . And also , you know , it's a commentary about the type of residence that these people have . When you have a wall cat , Typically it's not find out .
No , we'll see more of it as we go , but I do think there's something about being absolutely clueless and feckless in dealing with this trapped cat that I think , yes , this is a little bit of a palette cleanser , because they are so stupid and this is so funny and it's also heavy and I get it .
I also think it's a metaphor for something much bigger that we're watching happen in this Dell episode and how we might want to think about Dell .
Yeah , well , at least in the Chuddy family you have , you have sort of vibrant , interesting women and absolutely fucking lung head men . I mean , yeah , I mean like tragically stupid , like the dad Bobby comes down . They're punching the ball because the cat won't like it . Bobby comes down , hits them and says and tells them not to hit each other in his house .
He says like no hitting in the house . You know because they're hitting each other . What I tell you about hitting in this household , huh . And he doesn't know where we're Dell and Donna got to . He's pissed that they're gone , which is .
Is he sleeping one off ? Like how does what is ? Because he's coming from upstairs . He doesn't know what the fuck's going on . I just just hit me like is that what this is about ?
I might be , but I think there's a standing order like this is very common where it's like he becomes the it's like in local parent is sort of thing .
It's like he's the dad of the family and she's got to check with him if she wants to go out , even though she's the wife , it's got , you know , she's got to like get cleared and he's like , oh shit , like here I was , like I slept too long and nobody , you know she snuck away , like my wife snuck away to go do her bullshit .
You know , anyway , he's he's , he's a little freaked out that she's the girls aren't there .
There's a real funny little interstitial or little sort of a little button with Ted Well they reference Hagler Hernds , which for the uninitiated is a an absolute classic boxing match , like people talk about it as a thing , and these two lunatics wailed away on each other .
I mean , they're two of the greatest boxers ever and I love them both , so I use this with all the love in my heart , but these two lunatics wailed on each other for three rounds like nothing I've ever seen in my life , like that fight was not going to last . Like it , somebody's going to get knocked the fuck out .
It could have been either one of them , but that fight was not going to go the distance . And so it's sort of like the reference boxing fans make when they mean like an all out war .
Like when I was directing dinner for two , I actually at one point said to Matt because I knew he would know what I was saying I was like this scene was this , this scene was that , this scene is Hagler Hernds . And he just looked at me and was like got it .
Oh , ok , yeah , yeah , I mean listen , it's a show about a kid from Brockton .
Yeah , absolutely .
That's a boxing town and identifies that way . And so we end up getting a scene where Del gets approached by security . She tries to do her lines the right way , she kind of bobbles the ball . Now , when Donna comes back from the bathroom , she sees what's happening .
She just starts making a scene and gaslighting and getting up in everybody's business and makes a huge spectacle of herself . The actual Miss Graciella Campos shows up , and not only does this Donna not say like the jig is up kind of thing . She wait , is that ? What does that mean ? What does the jig is up mean ? Oh God All right . Hold on , there we go .
Holy shit , I love it .
Oh , crap , fuck . I never forget . When I found out what jip meant , I'd been saying that my whole life , and then I was like oh , that felt like I needed to like pen letters of apology . I was like I had no idea what I was fucking saying oh my God , it just , it , just .
It enters a little speech and you just absorb it , and let's just make sure .
But there's so much of stuff as we look for that , but there's so much of that stuff . I remember my very good friend , sue , was an English teacher before I got there , got back to my old high school and so she's just , you know , look out for me and knew a bunch of shit I didn't know at 21 .
No period , a great teacher and she started to break out for me how our curse words all have all Germanic sounding and have like Germanic roots and that is totally a fucking class thing and I was like no shit .
I remember , like you know , like some things you're like oh , that's interesting , and other things , like it was like a head exploding emoji moment in my life that I was like , oh my God , like you . Just , you just grow up and fucks a bad word , but you never think about like well , how they choose that fuck is the bad word and it's just that .
Oh , that's what the lower , you know lower class people at that moment were saying . So excuse me , but fuck them .
Also fuck , just sounds good , it just has a good mouthfeel it does .
It's almost as good as
¶ Bitch, Jigs, and Female Confidence
bitch .
Bitch is one of my favorites Also .
I don't have full access to bitch , so I envy you that .
I love bitch , especially in like the Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad , sort of everything and everyone , everyone is a bitch .
Right , right , that's funny , right , this bitch .
I did one time refer to mailboxes . This bitch , I couldn't get something in . I was like and this bitch won't open . So but the jig is up is apparently not bad . Late 1500s , it just means the jig and the actual dance , which is apparently the last move of some song .
When that's over , it's like oh well , the song's over , the jig is up , we're done with this now .
It really is what it means . Oh , a few . It really is what it means , hey look at us not being fucking horrible to each other .
Come on , man , all right , here's to , here's to dances that end the production , save and grace . Anyway , donna is yelling . You do not want to fuck with me ? I will sully the name of the courtyard park hotel in Trip Advisor Like she's a lunatic .
But also , yes , a lunatic . But also she's exactly right . Like you're in too deep now to get shy , like you did it now . You went in there , used the lady's name , you drinking pina coladas , buying bathing suits and shit . Like don't fucking get polite now . Like you had to figure out .
And as she's telling it , as she's cursing everybody out , notice she gets herself between her kid and them . So if something does happen , it's going to happen to her first and the next thing . You know we are on the move and they're not going to really come after us . It's not worth it for them to come after us and they know we won't be back .
Yeah Well , there's a really funny moment at this point , and this is like the show has great buttons . The security's guard is there , the waiter's there , the lifeguard is watching , miss Garcia La Compost is there . Donna's making a scene .
She's trying to , with her eyes , urge Del to start retreating and that she grabs a purse that she had hidden Miss Garcia La Compost's purse , that she had stolen and grabs it and Grasse La Compost goes that's my purse , and Donna and Del are high-tailing it out of there .
The lifeguard , who Del says might go to her school , takes this moment to stand up and go . Hey , and what does he say , boss ?
No running .
I laughed out loud . I laughed out loud . I was like I get it though , Like he's like . Here are the things I'm in charge of . Am I in charge of purse ? Yes , no . Am I in charge of identities ? No . Am I in charge of the Pina Colada distribution ? Nope . You know what my one job is ?
No running , and you just cross that line , that's the line you just cross my pretty friend , Sweet sweet boy .
Yeah , On the way out , Donna being Donna grabs somebody's takeout order off the bar Beautiful . It says thank you and just grabs it goes Phenomenal .
Phenomenal , because you've got to have and I'm going to use the wrong phrase and then I'm going to get boss's approval in a moment around that but you got to have some balls to do this , to get busted and then flip out as if you're the wronged party and then as you literally make your escape to steal somebody's food . I'm not done here .
I'm not done milking this situation . You got to have some balls and I use that knowing that we have collectively decided that's incorrect .
So , boss , right now , in real time , we've got a woman making it happen and I want to say that what's not going to be our go-to phrase for when women quote unquote got some balls with what they just did , what are we going with ?
We explored this a little bit .
Yeah , we did . Overage don't really work , overage don't really work .
Some boobs on there now .
Some .
Yeah .
I mean , listen , I will be the first one to acknowledge that . I have on many occasions told assholes that they could eat my dick , and I don't think that it would be possible , frankly . So as much as we can change them , yes , but if she's got some balls works , I think that that's OK . What I will always be against is that pussy does not mean weak .
That one is legitimately bullshit . That's nonsense . Having some balls , we can let it roll for now .
Let me tell you something , and I'm going to go ahead and say it just the way I mean it . I'm not going to clean it up for the FCC or anybody else . God damn it . Pussy could mean a million things before it would mean weak . If I'm in charge of definitions , are you kidding me ? There's a whole section of my life that's defined by the pursuit .
And now we're just what ? Now we're just insulting , now we're just casting aspersions .
Absolutely . It's like , oh shit , Absolutely . Now we're going to do that .
Moving right along . I had all the little kids listening out there . We tuned in to hear about Ted Lasso . We are in the cab of the pickup family pickup truck . Dell is driving at 15 , 14 , because Donna is too fucked up , oh yeah .
That's a thing by the way . Another class thing , by the way .
Yeah .
Yeah , yeah , yeah , it's another class thing . What are they going to not drive home ?
Yeah , somebody's got to drive . Yeah , Luckily you can't drink it .
Such a weird concept to have to drive your fucked up mom home . Really identifying factor about their dynamic and they certainly did not feel like this was the first time . Donna has something about the blocking in this . I can't . Donna has .
She's sitting in the passenger seat , she's got her foot on the dashboard , but she's got her toes on the window Wind shield and it was . It was . So I'm like I don't know if I've ever seen I've seen in shows and movies , I've seen feed out the window , out the passenger window .
I was like I don't know if I've ever seen toes like with a little pressure pushed back against the windshield , but I was like if there's something , so what's the term ? I bet you know Rex Ryan would love this , but- .
That is quite a reference . That is like quickly , cause we don't have time to go through the whole thing . I gotta help the audience out on that one . Rex Ryan was a famous football coach , son of an even more famous football coach , who apparently had or I assume still has , I mean , god bless a foot fetish and it came out in a rather awkward .
It's sort of the fact that I know that is its own awkward thing , so yeah , so quite a reference to their coach , quite a reference .
I'm not a foot person but I've grown to appreciate why people you know why , how it works for people and I'm not gonna shame anybody and I kind of made me like Rex a little more , cause it was super weird and I like weird people . So he would make these videos with his wife or he would like kind of be like hey , pretty lady , like it was .
So it was so outside my realm of understanding that I was like cool , you knew , you , that's whatever man Like , and his wife seemed cool and I guess I had great feet . So but it's just this weird . I don't know what it is . I just have never . I don't , it's no big deal . I just never seen it before with someone with their foot up on the windshield
¶ Foot Fetishes and Car Choices Discussion
. This felt very casual in a I'm kind of drunk way . I don't know whatever . What is it boss ?
No , this is the same thing as you guys pointing out the four beers and being me being like , oh , I would land a plane after four beers like a foot fetish is . Maybe this is the reading of Savage Love when I was younger and maybe I was too impressionable , but the idea of a foot fetish is like you are basically vanilla , that is . That is not .
That doesn't even register as a kink anymore . It's like , oh , you like feet ? Okay , well , I have read about some shit , sir . So when you come at me with you like actual literal shit , then maybe we could talk about you being kinky but being into toes . Rex Ryan shouldn't have even lost his job if he did . That's so boring .
And it was then Orlando realized that the blood guy wasn't just about violence .
No , it's not , it's very much so . It is . It is extremely I can't remember who it was that I was talking to . This was a while ago , a friend who I'm no longer close with , and she was like , well , I don't want to like scare you off of my husband and I can get a little bit kinky .
And I was like , oh so , what kind of stuff Like bondage , joke , play , breath , play . Like what are you guys all into ? And she was like I mean that sometimes , like he taps my bottle and I'm like , oh , we shouldn't have this conversation , do you want to or not .
You're like , you are a doral . We are not on the same page .
Yes , yeah , a little bit Again , Dan Savage , I apologize .
Yeah , you don't get it .
I mean , I don't know , maybe it's because I am milk toast , I don't do a lot of like the conversation you just I've known coached 30 years .
You guys have never talked about breath play .
Never once they say like hey , hey , man , I probably coached , I probably shouldn't tell you this , but I'll tell you this Never once , because it's none of his damn business and I would be insulted if he started telling me his his antics , I don't care , hey man , I'm eating .
You're full of yourself , I'm eating . No , no , I don't no wait .
no , no , no no , he specifically should not be fucking himself . This is what you guys are talking about .
Like you're missing the conversation entirely .
I'm just saying we , boss , we don't have that . And again , I'm not speaking for all men , I just , it feels like , like I'm interested about why , how that conversation even comes up .
That's good . Well , one of the things I should specify is that she is a friend who I met through work , one of our previous places of employment .
I never met her husband , so there is a little bit of an element of like , if you know somebody and you're like , oh , tell me about your dating life , that's very different from like , oh , tell me about what you and your husband say to each other before you have sex .
Like there's a there's a little bit of distance that made it more acceptable for us to discuss some things .
Okay , well , that's good Copy . Yeah , listen , I got . I don't know , I don't understand any of this .
As usual , coach , sully the whole thing by bringing up fetishes . I mean , you're fucking obsessed . I'm just discussing sex on this one .
Yeah , man , it's really , it's really uncomfortable , it's off , it's off putting .
I'm just saying no , but the foot on the windshield . Though I think there's another element of it to be considered and something else comes up later as we go when your shit is not nice shit , you don't have to treat it nice , right ? So I think there's also an element of this , of like .
If we were in really any of the cars I've driven in my like since being married really , and even Daphne put their foot on , I'll be like what the fuck man ? What are we doing right now ? But I remember posting about my own kids .
They may you know they were being kids in the backseat and I went to clean up the backseat and it was just I don't even want to describe it , it was like a fucking crime scene with crackers and I just like I literally wanted to fight , like I wanted to like just say it can be both of you . You can bring mommy , I don't really give a fuck .
You can have weapons , but we need to fight . Why'd you do this to my car ? Like what the fuck , that's cause you have a good car .
so , yes , right , right , it's cause you have a yeah , but you know what I'm saying .
So I think part of this is her being like what am I gonna do ? Like fuck up the windshield , like look at this thing . I think there's an element of that in the putting your foot up there . That way , I think I mean maybe I'm over .
Yeah , I mean , we probably have taken way too long to discuss it . It's just a tiny little thing , but I noticed it because I was like oh , I've never seen that before , I've never seen that actual thing on a show .
Keep going , but I will say I think , though , that there are a lot of little throughout this show , but certainly in this episode , there are a ton of tiny choices like that that are meant to communicate a ton very quickly and very clearly .
And the fact that she's got like a very you know Cinderella before the makeover hot thing going on is part of it too , because the minute she sat up I was like well , hello , dell's mom .
And she is hot . She is hot , yeah , yeah , smoking hot . Abigail Spencer is just absolutely beautiful , but the way she's portrayed here , yeah , she's just a little bit messed up , still couldn't drive . When they pull in there's a beat , a really . I wanna talk about their relationship quickly and like . This is a bonding thing for them .
They have a thing , so there is joy in Dell's life and we haven't seen that to this point . So when they first pull in .
Oh , it's an F-150 , by the way . So that's a choice . We're sorry , go ahead .
That's a . What is that ? That's gotta be a 89 .
F .
Yeah , yeah .
It gets two tones like light blue and white . Like I don't even remember last time I saw that color combination .
Certainly on a vehicle .
So yeah , no it's intended to communicate that .
And I'll tell you right now that car would not last in New England . That thing would have rusted a thousand years ago . So you know , that's what . You can see those in California , you can see them in Florida , you just can't see them . That's a great point . Yep , yep , not a dot of rust on it . So there you go .
There's something that absolutely the show got totally wrong . This thing would be wouldn't have holes in the floorboards , but when they first pull in , they've had a great time . Del is a little mopey .
She says I kind of feel bad , and you are set up by the show to feel like oh , she feels badly about stealing from Miss Grassley La Campos and the fact they got caught and they had to run out of there . But what did she actually feel badly about , boss ?
Hey , don't tell your father you drove , is the response . So it seems like maybe that is what she is upset about .
It's yes , and it's that , and that she fucked up her lines and kind of bobbled the ball that she didn't yes .
Not that she was part of a crime , but that her being an accomplice to that crime did not go as well as she was hoping to .
No , she said she panicked and she screwed up the . You know it's like it's the bad con and she didn't play her part .
But we want to please our parents , right ? I mean generally speaking . You know , nothing's absolute , but like so , yeah , like if , if , if what mom sees to me is like how to pull off her good , you know pool scam , then you know I shouldn't fuck up my lines . So you know it's an interesting comment on that piece .
They don't even get in the house before Bobby storms out , is giving them a total , you know . Second degree interrogation . They're really hot and bothered . They're really loud . Doesn't seem to bother Dell at all .
Yeah .
Like she's actually amused Like this is their routine .
Like she's heard that some version of that conversation a hundred times .
Right and as has every neighbor on the block , Correct . And before they even get in we see that Donna knows has Bobby wrapped around her finger and he can't stay mad at her . She presents him with the food that she stole and he gets all fired up and excited and they're just kissing like crazy and then is he spits in her mouth .
No , I wondered about that too .
I think he puts the whatever I don't eat shellfish , so I don't I'm not the person who should be describing said oh , but whatever he touches when he puts his hand in the bag , I think he puts on her mouth , cause I thought it was spit the first time too , and I was like , oh , this is a lot , yes , okay , oh , it must have been right , it must have been
like tartar sauce or something .
I was like , yeah , kinky ass , kinky ass .
Coach got us watching some foot fetish spit shit . I don't know what the fuck is going on .
That's nothing as far as the world , in the world of fetish .
Oh , I Nothing .
Correct , boss . Boss is we're not a fetish episode and it's going to turn my beard white At some point .
Also a bird .
¶ Tuna Fish Plan and Student Government
We get inside and Carl and Teddy have now opened up a can of tuna fish and are using a little fan to blow the smell of tuna fish into like a vent , an air conditioning vent .
I love . Okay . So here's what I did love . That is a cre . That is a ridiculous plan . Excuse me , but this is what I mean too about playing stupid . It's not as easy as it looks . And writing stupid is not as easy as it looks , because we got it Like it could have been .
Oh , I'm going to take this fishing pole and whatever , and I'm sure they could have made that work , but like I get how they got to . Oh , we'll entice the cats like tuna , right ? Oh , okay , let's convince the cat , there's tuna out here and that'll make it work .
So , like you know , it's extra to me , it's extra funny and they're extra dumb because it does have some level of grounding at play when they make that choice .
Yeah , no doubt . Then they all sit down at the table and we get like a . It's the only scene we've really seen with Dell where it's her , it's like her whole family together . We just never have seen anything like it .
Well , he says as much we're going to eat , we're going to eat at the table like proper people , or whatever he says . But I mean , this is not , this is not the norm , it is not . Oh , it's 6pm . I'm headed to the dinner table Like that's not this family .
Right , and we did . We did a . We did a moment here where Donis wants to tell everybody okay , tell them all your news and Dell is obviously hesitant to do that and she says she's going to run for president . And Teddy says she thinks she's better than people because she reads books , bitch , amazing .
Talk about class . Like I was , like you .
And then , yeah , it says , teddy says , oh , I can . You know , carl makes fun of him , because he says oh yeah , that's just , you can't read , so I can read , it goes okay , and then you can read and they say , hey , he's just got out of the restaurant , okay , but did you notice that he looked first ?
It's not like he's got the spelling of restaurant stored in that Meat package on his shoulders .
He had to look it up too . First he looked at the , yeah , he looked at the , the , the , the , to go container of right in front of it .
I'm fucking believable . But sorry , by the way , restaurant Easy word to miss spells . I thought that was also funny . If I wasn't paying attention I could see Miss Spelling Restaurant , just because it's not spelled really how it sounds .
Yeah , well , well , yes , he looks at it and and the response from Carl is he is a Teddy's the Spell Restaurant . And what does Carl say , boss ?
says I'm eating right now . What is this fucking Harvard school ? Like he's busy . Yes , of course I can spell it . You want me to do it right now ? I'm fucking eating .
Fucking Harvard school .
What is this fucking habit school ? Brilliant , he doesn't even know . Brilliant what I can spell fuck you , just spell it . Then he says fuck you , that's how he smells .
If I've not shared this . One of my favorite moments in all my life was getting off the elevator in my building when I was in high school and someone had written on the wall opposite the elevator F-O-C-K-Y-O-U , and I just stood there and stared at it and thought that's right . That's right , yeah , because if you're that ignorant , you're that ignorant .
It's the way it sounds . It should be smelled like that . It doesn't make any sense . Why do you need to see and a K ? Those make the same noise .
I don't need a phone and a watch , and I don't need a K , that's it yeah .
That's it . Maybe they're trying to make fetch happen , coach there it is , you know , trying to mix it up . Maybe it was a visionary trying to fuck everybody . Bobby's response to Dale Sanchez and run for student government is precious . He immediately poofs it . It's just a popularity compass . Why does she fucking care if people ?
Lick her or not it's this talking about her while she's in the room . I mean fuck them . People aren't assholes now , they're going to be assholes later .
That's a word for you .
Yeah , if people aren't assholes , what was the thing ? If you meet an asshole in the morning , you met an asshole . If you meet an asshole all day long , you're the asshole . Guess what , bobby ? Yeah , bobby , I got some news for you . Yeah , dean Winters right on the money in this role . He nails it . He's so tapped into this . Yeah , go ahead , coach . Yeah .
I say this as a guy who did do a student government . We can have all sorts of interesting or not so interesting to other people conversations about student government , but there is that popularity contest element of it . No sense pretending there isn't .
But I also found that there was a particular kind of almost popular with the unpopular kind of position that was like I would never do that , I would never go to the school dance , I would never be a part of stupid student government , I'm not going to have friends at the stupid pep rally . It's like that does the best too much .
Like I'm kind of like I wish somebody may be invited you to a club or two , maybe , maybe , maybe things would be a little smoother around here , bobby , I'm just saying Because , like yes , is it a ? Is it a personality contest to some degree ?
But also I have a funny feeling you don't vote , or if you do vote , the basis for the casting of your vote would horrify me potentially straight into the grave . But like his take on it being so definitive and so clear and like why would there be any value to doing this thing ?
Yeah , I think again , maybe you should worry a little bit more about whether people like you Not , not , not the advice we always give people , but that is the . That is the advice I would give you .
Maybe think a little more about it Well , and Delta says she wants to help people . I mean it's like our big driving core value . She wants to help people and and Bobby thinks the way to help people stay the fuck out of their way Again worldview .
Imagine , like your take on life , being the best thing you can do for the people around you is stay the fuck out of the way and not fuck up their lives , like that is yeah .
talk about the opposite of how to be like what that's like ?
yeah , seriously that's Bobby Lachetti and boss . I mean that's very sincerely a little bit and the way that I believe , that I actually think if there's any innate human nature , I believe that it is good and caring and unselfish and compassionate .
I think that when people are born , that babies , even that like six months old , if they hear another baby cry , they like look in that direction , they respond to another child . Part of that is because there might be danger and one baby needs to know what the other baby fucking knows about .
Part of it might be self preservation , but that also means that teaming up with other people will keep you safer and make you better Like . You will be a better person if you are tuned into the people around you and what they need . I don't think people need health necessarily .
I think structurally , as a society , we need to remove the things that damage people and make them into Bobby . I think that if Bobby hadn't been fucked up , by somebody at some point he would have turned out okay , yes , so I do think that we're saying the same things , boss .
I just say it better than you , so listen . Whatever that is , I say it because I like the term help and I like helping people and I care about helping , and so that's the way I come at it . I actually don't care . Your way is just as good If it just is preventative health or preventative structural change to stop people from being fucked up .
I'm also good with that . I just frame it as health because I think of professionals actually thinking about this stuff and trying to help everybody get to be the best of what they can be , whatever the case may be . Yeah , he got fucked up One way or another . This boy was fucked up and now he is fucking other people up and it's toxic and it's generational .
And yeah , you rightly point out that Bobby's got some . I hate to say it , but Bobby's got some good stuff about Bobby . As bad as Bobby is , bobby didn't have to turn out like this and so Well hold on , because even Bobby , as he is right now , has good stuff to him . Like , even though he's a fucked up , he has good stuff . That's what I'm saying .
I'm saying , yes , he has it's often , and we'll talk about that a little bit more as we go on .
And I think the only thing I need to reiterate is I understand where you're coming from with the help economy , that you think that being able to help other people is great . I will again caution against the idea of okay , sorry , I'm just going to do this real quick , because I understand we don't have the time for it .
If you are driving your car and you come across a tree that's been downed and somebody else comes over and they're like oh , can't get past this fucking tree , right ? Well , okay , I'm going to boost you over and then he can get to the other side , you'd be like why the fuck are you going to boost me over ?
I don't need you to boost me over , I need my fucking car to keep going down the street . And they're like oh , no , no , no , no , you have a problem with trees . We totally get it . We're just going to boost you over and then the tree won't be a problem anymore . So the issue is in that situation , what you need is not help .
What you need is for the tree to not fucking be there , and those are okay no , no , I can't .
It's a big difference Totally . I'm going to project a little more , it's totally fine , oh , but go ahead . Go ahead .
Because , I'm going to blow your mind .
So Rorschach is going to be like . This is a classic conversation .
I love this so much . We're going to leave it there for right now . I like it . I like that . We're finishing hot , we're on a hot topic and we're going to start . We're going to start on fire next time . Coach , where do people find if they want to find ?
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Boss , what about you ?
Still on Twitter , even though I hate it on Blue Sky , although I'm liking it more . Both places is Dumbly underscore chambers and eventually writing at the antagonist , which is antagonistblogcom .
I get it so much . Twitter is nauseating and I hate that . It's so trolly and gross . And the people in my feed ? Now I wouldn't cross the street to piss on them . They're on fire . The people that end up in my feed I go oh my God , who , what are you ? Are you real ? Like I just assumed they're all bots because they're so horrific . That's so funny .
I still really leave the party early . And that is one party . I was like Elon bought it and I was like y'all take good care , be good . This is about to be some shit and I don't want to be a part of it . Bye , bye .
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