Wayne | S1 Ep2 Part3 "No Priests"

Maybe there's some program where she can get them and she's like , all right , I can make money off these and I don't know . It's interesting , she's running for mayor .

I plan to watch the entire series again and very much look forward to your continued deep dives and the conversations they create . I particularly cannot wait to hear everyone's take on episode five , my favorite in the most heart wrenching . Can I please just adopt this girl , kind of way ? Thank you , megan , that's so awesome .

This is what is really what I hoped people would feel about this show . It is , you know , it's not the same thing as Ted Lasso , but this , especially as we start this part of it , there's a whole second chance subplot that really feels Ted Lasso ish . And so , anyway , I wanted to explore that a little bit .

When we left off last time we were with Tracy and Dell , after their little dust up , tracy had enough of Dell's mouth , and then this is like the at the end of this there was . They just were sort of having a moment where Tracy was just sort of confessing like hey , listen , like here's some words of advice , unsolicited .

But you know , dell , dell says does a thing where she says listen , stay out of my business . You know she's like hey , your boyfriend doesn't like coffee and I gave it to him . It was like he pissed she's the term piss , which I like .

That is , it is appropriate language for her background and Dell's response to stay out of my business because from her dad she knows , you know , push away , push away , push away , don't let anyone too close . She doesn't have a mom . So it's an interesting dynamic .

And then , while we fired the , the old recording machine up today , coach said something I thought was really interesting , and we were . I was just going to blow past this scene and just start into the next part . But , coach , what did you say about this scene ?

It's honestly probably been my favorite part to to of the show , to this spot , and I obviously there's some great stuff about Wayne and there's a lot of stuff to to , to celebrate and dig into , but I don't know that I've seen this mentor relationship before .

Not only that we don't see as much of this in terms of women , I think , but also that I that I don't . If we've seen it right , it's the princess diaries , right , it's not like , right , it's not . You know folks who we tend to look past and what lessons do they have to share and what guidance may they , you know , miss out on as they're coming ?

I don't know . There's something I'm finding myself very curious and like I could learn a lot myself , not just what Dell's going to learn , but what am , what am I going to learn when these two get to interact ?

And then Dell got pissed the heart wants what the heart wants and thank you , Tracy . I think the biggest difference between that stage yeah , the difference for me between that interaction and this interaction is that Tracy is actually finally being honest about what she expects by telling Dell aren't you a little bit young to have coffee Like ?

There is a small part of this , that Tracy is acting out what she wishes somebody had told her when she was just age . That's right and I can appreciate that , but Dell was not fucking interested .

When Tracy brought that the first time , like once Tracy became honest and clear about why she was saying what she was saying , dell was able to hear her , which I think is like Castleton I know that you did not like the way that Dell responded to Tracy , and Bishop and I were both just like oh no , no , no , that's fine , and I think it was this element .

I think it was this fact that it seemed like Tracy was not interested in Dell . Tracy was interested in Tracy and once Tracy made more clear what her shoe is coming from , dell could hear what she was saying . And so I like that in order for the advice , the mentorship , whatever it is to work .

To click for them is when Tracy is like I don't actually know that fucking much , I'm sort of a mess , but here is what I wished I hadn't done , if I could have changed things . So I also really like this and I also like how it mirrors sort of the earlier interaction and how they've changed .

In this scene she's just , she's just worn , worn out . But my , my sense of it's funny when people tried to give me advice . This may be just me , but when you're young you don't have the worldview , you don't have the experience , you only see through a very specific lens .

And if someone would tell me like , hey , you know , I fucked up and I did this , I'd be like I'm not gonna do that , you're like , I'm like whatever like I'm not gonna . You know , I mean it wouldn't almost , it almost never landed on me .

And now I look back on those moments I'm like God , I wish I was more receptive to those things Because you know it was people trying to help and you know , being honest , instead of saying , oh , you know the world's gonna , you'll just take the world by storm and you know everything's gonna go your way .

But I remember I remember being like Dell in situations not necessarily like this , with a 40 something year old waitress with regrets , but I thought it was interesting and the dynamic . Dynamic is , you know it's different between them than you tend to see on , like your average , like network TV show , obviously .

So I don't love network TV coach , not my fave , I get it Okay . So as the scene moves on , we get . Now we go into a scene where we have the Lucheti's showing up at the . It is like an ice cream social kind of thing . It's like it's like police day at . You know , we're at the Brockton .

It's Brockton Community Police day , police , community Day at the ice cream stand . Boss , walk us through what happens in this scene .

Number one know what that means and number two don't know which one looks like a mouse or which one looks like a bear .

This is the interaction I'm gonna bear you in this fucking parking lot .

Like what , like , if you that's for scratches , like I'm like what is going on with these people ? This is insane .

I've always talked about how people from New England are harder than everybody else , and I've traveled all over the world and I've never I've just never seen anything like it where it's just like this amount of just tension and misery and the gray . So much of the year is gray and cold and uncomfortable , and the people are gray and cold and uncomfortable .

And you know , I mean just , it's just this , it's this dynamic . Right , you order , you order an ice cream on a barrier . Okay , look it , you walk in , carl , it's Carl and Teddy of the twins crosses I'm getting ice cream , which is what a kid would say when he goes to nice . Right , you ain't getting shit . That's so there is . No , it's not like .

Hey , let's build a bridge of communication . Let's , let's , let's , let's do we workshop this idea . You know , like , like , like , it's like . The craziest thing Bobby Luchetti's ever heard is that his son is wants to get ice cream and ice cream place . He's like but dad , it's my own money .

You order any ice cream and I'm going to bury you in this fucking parking lot . That's what he says , this fucking pack . And then we say , all right , what is the reason ? What is the ? What is the important thing ? That ?

The financial lesson , that that Bobby Luchetti is trying to teach his boys about their money it's my own money and the and the and the lesson is that that money is for scratches , scratchers , that's scratch tickets , in case people don't know , like is for lottery tickets for the mass state lottery to scratch off .

Coach , how often in your community does someone walk up to like I was thinking about specifically flatbush , the flatbush you grew up in right walk up to a walk up to a group of police officers on their free time and say , hey , you find my fucking daughter , or what .

And then have a teenager who , with a like barely double digit IQ , say where's that sister cop ?

. But the thing is it's a community and so , like there is the knowledge , like when Jay was like , oh you know , bobby Luchetti is the horse , is that like they all kind of know each other and you know . So there's this dynamic , right ? So where's sister cop ? You know what , Dad , I'm gonna get ice cream . Shut the fuck up .

It's what is what Dean Winters says go be somewhere else . Now which boss ? I would say it's a nice way to treat your kids . I mean , it's nice , it's you know , it's nice respectful , it's . You're building your .

What I'm saying is you're building like a dynamic where they're going to be like first of all , good to their own children and then and then also they're going to respect you as a person , outside of the fact that you have sort of a like autonomous control over their entire existence . You know . So , I meant autocratic .

I said autonomous , I meant autocratic control over their entire existence , although and they'll respect you outside of that , I'm sure yeah .

And it's even easier because having the kids is more work .

I wish a lot more people would consider if they actually wanted to have kids and if they do want to have kids , if they want to have them because they want to build people who will one day be good for society and nice to other people , or if they just want to have a mini person that they could boss around , that they could feel like they own .

Obviously , the second one is the proper choice for becoming a parent .

It's not as like open and in your face as this , but you'll see the looks and you'll see . You'll just see it . When he says , go be somewhere else now to his teenage boys who are like basically as big as he is , what kind of protest do they put up ? What do they say ?

Like okay , I'm being , I'm trying to lead you to an answer , but what I'm suggesting is they say nothing and walk away immediately , because do they have any doubt that their father will punch them in the face in front of 30 cops ?

But there are some members of society who are not phased by that at all and in you know , conversely , they would be like , yeah , I punched my kids right in front of the , went to the community police day and I let those little bastards know who the boss was , and the cops didn't say jack shit about it .

That's all they know . It's either nothing or violence . There's nothing in between . Even if it's a cop , they don't seem to recognize that . You don't go fuck up Like like law enforcement officer , and that would not be within the bounds of the law . To quote unquote fuck him up .

not . Press or poem Colonel Mustard says I got it from my mommy and my daddy . Like a grown man saying mommy and daddy , it is so , it's the words . You get your money . I inherited it from my mommy and my daddy . Like you're in your 50 .

She was close to retirement , so we're talking 63 , 64 , like she , she was actively planning her retirement when her mother passed away , and I don't want to make light of that , regardless of the age . Losing a parent is extremely difficult and I completely understand that .

But she then started telling people at work that oh , and now I'm an orphan and there's a part of me that was like I don't , I don't know if you qualify as an orphan , like I feel like that is maybe reserved for something else . I understand where you're coming from . But you yourself are a little literal , grandmother . You can't be an orphan Like there's .

There's got to be some sort of distinction .

The dumb idiots are playing with it , dropped the clip out of it . You know he's , I will get , I'll find your dog , you know . Like up till this point we're like is this guy like a ? What is what is going on ? We found him . We met him with his hand in his pants , which is not it . The optics are not great for character intro .

You know , you just go . You know what I mean . You just go . What is going on with this guy ? But he's more calm . He says sit down and he says please , which is smart , which I really liked that he said please , because a guy like Bobby Luchetti wants he , he's such , it's almost .

It's not alpha , it's like past alpha , like he can't function unless , like he thinks like oh , you fucking respect me and that's the word we got to like .

Because he's looking around when he says it . What is the choice there ? Is it ? Is it him trying to get Bobby to ? You know , like , think , like he's one of them ? Yeah , I think it's .

And then I want to say maybe he was about to like turn 18 or start a senior year and my friend didn't catch him but like walk past his bedroom and he was sitting there on his bed very quietly going fuck , fuck , shit , hell , just like trying to practice the words to get more used to him so that he'd be able to sneak them into conversations as if he had

been swearing his whole life . So maybe this is one of those where he's like this what's , what's a good thing to say ? a bastard boy which is like barely even an insult and sounds more like something from lame is like definitely bastard boy doesn't sound like fighting words .

He asked him , please he swears quietly , looking around to bring to sort of break , to lean into the boat and make Bobby's see he's one of them . And then Bobby likes this yeah , god damn , this is my fucking daughter we're talking about right . And he says and I apologize for any lack of focus , but now this is my life , this is my mission .

Getting your daughter back , I can't . And I am like this what is this ? I just loved it . Oh , fucking a . Okay , I love fucking a , love fucking a . Is this part of your world at all , boss ? Do they do fucking a in Chicago ?

You know what I mean . Like whether my friends and if I , if I drop a fucking a , you know , I'm just , I'm just fully joking .

I think what we do sometimes is we will typecast police officers into like okay , you played , you know , you played sort of nose tackle for your high school football team . You're a big ham neck thug , you don't .

You know , you're just like very rigid and the rules of being a police officer sort of applied to you and you liked it , you liked , you know , being in a position of authority , and we'll sort of end up with that sort of trapping for police officers . And then you get this dude is like what's his problem ? Oh , and I'm like , okay , this is refreshing .

I don't know For me . I will say I mean , show me the other side of it , show me a different version and keep me interested . And that's what this is doing . And then , what is Bob ?

Well , I was going to say too and it's again part of my whole thing about this being super dark but also sort of absurdly funny , and it's he's just to borrow from generation younger than mine he's just so mid Like I'm sure he's solved some crimes , but I'm also sure he fucks up all the paperwork Like I'm sure he's lost track of somewhere and he's not serving

a jail sentence because they got out of the back of his car and he was like , ah , who's got the fucking energy ? Like he's just super mediocre .

Whereas in this case there is a lot of shit happening and Officer Geller is like I'm just going to be around in case anything happens , just if you need anything . The cops are going to be here , don't worry . And they're like we need a shit ton . He's like yeah , I'm here , I'm just here for you .

There are a lot of them are workers that that are in the trades , and plumbers and carpenters and electricians and they are very marginalized and they support the primary block of certain political wings of certain parties and what happens is they feel marginalized . Everybody in the world goes white man , have everything , and these guys go no , we fucking don't .

I work way harder than I ever wanted to . Nobody gives a shit about me . Everybody looks down there , knows of me , everybody hates me for shit . I don't think I did . I don't know what the fuck . Everybody else's problem , but I work really fucking hard every day for like a tenth of what my parents had on one salary and they go I don't , I don't get .

No one's

looking out for me . So now I'm not going to sit here and say , oh , boohoo , poor , you know , middle income , white , white man . I'm not going to say that .

But what I will say is I understand why they get there and I understand the how society funnels them there , especially with , like , the absence of so crazy I could talk about this forever how music changed once upon a time to further push them away , and it was had to do with like , start a clear channel , buying out stations . It was .

It was an ununness on unintentional change , but what happened was , once upon a time , hair bands vanished from radio and then you had to make a choice between hip hop or country . That was it . Rock and roll died , it was gone .

So these guys were like I don't have any anything , I don't understand hip hop , and they all either got pushed to country or to talk radio . And they went to talk radio , and talk radio is predominantly conservative . And so you have these guys just getting indoctrinated for decades , listening .

They put it on to have some sound while they work and they just go over and over and over . So this reaffirms that they are marginalized , and so that's what Bobby Lichetti knows . So he sits down and he's like this guy's giving me the fucking run around . These fucking cops . They're useless pieces of shit .

You know what I mean If you're a died in the world liberal . You look at the cops and you go oh , they're with the conservatives , they're not us Like I know . They're not us Like you know what I mean , if you're right , maybe I'm speaking out of school , but I know it's like oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , no .

And I'm not saying there isn't wrong or right and I'm not saying there's no grounds , but from Bobby Lichetti's point of view , this guy is going to give him the fucking run around and his daughter's out there . Whether or not him wanting to get his daughter back is love or nobody takes from me or whatever , you know macho bullshit For sure .

That's why he's fucking it up , because it may be the first time he feels like he's being seen by somebody in authority , by a power structure , and I'm just like . I just want to just note that , because we'll gloss right over it , we'll blow pass it . This Bobby Lichetti is an anal sore . He is so awful and whatever .

speak about this in you know , very general terms but based on what you were just saying if there's one thing that , in quotes , should come along with being a white man in America , should be being taken seriously , and I wonder if , on some that , the element you're saying of yeah , fucking a okay , like yeah , yeah , I was waiting for somebody to notice that I'm

a white man sitting here saying what he wants . Let's get to fucking work . Like it seems a little bit like yeah , but yeah , glad you noticed . Like yeah , I should be in charge . What I care about should be the goddamn priority . I don't know what took so long .

what privilege is ? You don't have to waste your time reaffirming that you're a white man . You are a white man .

I don't pay you to pull me the fuck over . I'm a good man and I'm a good citizen . Do you see what I'm saying ? You don't even think like I'm a white man and therefore , it's doesn't even .

This is why when , when they , when they're backed into a corner and they say , like I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about , I don't give a shit if you're black , white , purple , that's what they'll say . Because they don't think of that , because privilege allows you to not even waste a fucking iota of your time . Interesting .

I don't think it plays into it in that way . Like , oh , you noticed I was a white man . Because they don't feel like what liberals like or or it progressives people like me would describe as like , oh , an entitled white man . Like they're like okay , point to my fucking yacht . You know what I mean .

If I'm lucky , I'll get a week on the cape every year If I'm lucky , like if I do everything right and I don't spend my money anywhere else . I got to keep my , my , my machines upright . You know , I was just talking to my guy that does lawn mowing and stuff . This is it he's got to . He can't afford to pay people and he's got to keep .

You know , he needs a four-wheel drive vehicle because he plows in the winter . He doesn't feel like the world is customized to his liking at all . He feels he's getting in the ass every day . He doesn't know who to blame . Now , granted , they tend to blame the wrong people , and then you have to Well right .

Right , but still they're not thinking like oh , you know , like I'm glad you noticed I was a fucking white man . They don't think of them . They don't have to think of themselves that way . Yeah , yeah , yeah and listen . Anybody has to do .

This is my perspective from living in this part of the world for a long time , but that doesn't make the right perspective . I know elsewhere it may be totally different , but at least I'm speaking for the great northern idiot of that group .

I grew up inside great northern white man and I grew up inside that group and exist inside that group , and so I have some insight into that particular demographic .

I would say that the actual privilege is every single straight cis white guy that I know , even like the extremely progressive ones , even the ones who are aware of white privilege and male privilege and everything else , believes that they are somehow the exception to the rule , and the amount that they believe that can vary a good deal , but I think what we're

seeing from him is a lot of what you're saying , castleton , in that what he thinks is nobody ever listens to me and I am the smartest person I know how is it that nobody else knows , I'm so fucking wicked smart but why aren't ? they listening to me .

So he actually probably does feel shit upon by the world and that he is not getting a fair shake because he's supposed to work . If I were so privileged , why the fuck am I after work every goddamn day ? So yes , I don't think that it consciously occurs to him .

Your AD is like the master sergeant of any operation . It's like an NCO . It's like the person who has the I don't say the biggest balls , because we're just talking about white , like you know the patriarchy , but it's the person with , like you just scared of most .

You know , not always like physically scared , but you're like they just run , they keep the trains running on time .

But the assistant director , the AD , is like they make sure everybody gets set , let's get moving , get in places and let's you know like everything's got to keep going . And when you have a really good AD and I should look up who the AD was , I'm sure there's more than one on this set , but we'll definitely look into that but sometimes they have .

You have background actors and they have . They say , okay , cue background and they say rolling . Well , they don't say rolling anymore now because that's so fun , that's film . But they used to say rolling and they say action .

But you would cue the background actors ahead of time , so you would have them walking in the background to make the scene feel more believable . And sometimes they screw that up and then that's called continuity .

Every job has to has to be to look at it and be like , oh , the lady in the really loud yellow coat was crossing here , so she couldn't possibly have made it that far . So it gets much more complicated than you think , but this show does a really good job with background .

And then they have this gorgeous shot where it's framed because , you have to remember , you're still in public . This isn't . This meeting is not taking place in the precinct , in the police station . This is out in the community . It's community policing today . And so people are walking around , people are . You know .

There's a shot of Sergeant Geller and behind him that people are . There's a line , they're ordering . They're ordering ice cream and they do a good job of it .

And then there's this beautiful shot where it's it's a shot in in of Bobby Lichetti sitting at the table , and then behind him , over his left shoulder , you have the two twins , you have Carl and and Teddy , and they're just standing over there . Carl was eating an ice cream .

He went and got an ice cream , even though he was offered murder as a result , but he still , he still did it . So I'm like , does he think ? I'm like , is he crazy ? I'm like , why did ? this is yeah , what is the boss ?

He's got his chain , he's got his jeans and he's got , like his work boots . That is the Gen X and older blue collar tradesman work a day attire here in New York . I don't know if it's like this everywhere else , but that's like starting with Gen X and older , all the boomers and all the silent generation .

That's what everybody for those three generations for , and millennials are a little different boss .

I need to reach out real quick and acknowledge the indie emo scene of the early 2000s did , in fact , shred in many ways , but you had already left college so you did not get to hear that much .

It's because I'm old now .

I always wondered if I'd be one of those guys that didn't know what music was like coming out and was new and whatever . And I've always tried to and sometimes it was hard or whatever . But what I'm saying is , generally those guys are not alternative listeners . They needed network TV and if network TV went away they're like oh shit , I have to .

That was the network Death Leopard , van Halen , white Snake , kiss , and then it scrolls into Megadeth and Ozzy and all those things . So there's sort of different versions of it , but it all generally stopped being played en masse on the radio and alternative doesn't count . That's not what we're talking about . We're not talking about emo music .

We're not talking about grunge . We are talking about grunge , but then grunge went away too . So it was just this thing that happened and anyway we can talk about this another time . We don't have to discuss it . But I always find out . I always wonder anecdotally what role that played .

When guys went to work , stopped listening to Van Halen is a perfect example and then where did they go from there ? And they weren't listening to Michael Jackson . Let's say it wasn't pop music that they were into . They were into a different thing . So anyway , it doesn't matter , we can talk about this forever .

I have a couple of friends who are like music , professional DJs , and they came up through . There's still DJs in the world , there's like eight left and we have friends that are like two or three of them and they talk about what happened to music and how it went away .

They can talk very , very eloquently about how everything changed , why it all changed , what role money played in it , and it's really just fascinating Monopoly . Monopoly is inside the radio business .

So anyway , that being said , I was saying that there's a uniform , work uniform , and then the Lichetti boys are in the background in their track suits and I like that . You said the necklace , because the necklace is a couple of things . The necklace is Italian and sometimes you have the .

It's like that's a very common thing in Italian communities , but also it's like the farther you get out to the suburbs , the less you'll see chains and things like that , and then it becomes even more hardcore and less like . You know , the jewelry could be like ah , look at this fucking guy with the jewelry on there .

I'm going to fucking choke you with that thing , guy . Like there's just no , I know , I know it's crazy , but like that's really how it is . And let's say , outside any major city , you get like 50 miles outside , you're basically in Tennessee , no matter you know what state you're in .

So okay , so you have this beautiful shot of the boys looking over the shoulder and he says Gellar says can you take , pick this up , boss ? And say what does Bobby say ? He says what's his problem ? Oh , and just talk about this a little bit here . Go through the lines there .

So , number one , we already know exactly how Bobby feels about his daughter , that she has property and that she has been taken . He is not concerned about her safety . That isn't the issue here . He's not worried that Wayne is doing untoward things to his daughter . He just wants her back .

So , yes , he is violent , but he's also a violent little bitch in the most derogatory way I can say that .

So Bill Burr , it's a bunch of people doing Sam Adams starts the season with Winterfresh or like Autumn , whatever beverage , and it's a bunch of randos drinking it , drinking Sam Adams , autumn Lager or whatever . And then they're all like do the generic , oh that's great , oh that's tasty . And then you have Bill Burr , who's a real .

He's just like Bobby Luchetti and he's like I don't . He drinks the whole beer and he goes . I don't like that . And there's this moment his son pushes a cart into him from behind and he's like we got to go . You know I'm going to be late for work , daddy and he's like I'm trying fucking enjoying myself .

We'll link it into the description or , boss , you can tweet it up . But there's this moment where the kid is trying to get to work the adult son of the Bobby Luchetti character played by Bill Burr and the kid is like about to rebel . They're in a supermarket and Bill Burr looks at him and he goes oh yeah , today , the day .

He is so wonderful , but like , if he ever even like , like , looks at me funny , like , even like remote thing I go today the day , today's the day , because the presupposition is in New England . That day always comes .

I see my son come up the stairs and he'll say you know , he's standing there all bare chested and muscles and I'm like , yeah , I used to look like that and then . But then part of me is like I got joke in quotes . But I'll be like , are you what you think ? Like you intimidating somebody walking up here ? Like , oh , you got your shoulders popping .

Now , when we play like this , like I can't just be like uh-huh , uh-huh and half watch the game , like this guy can take me down . Now that's a thing that could happen . But yeah , you don't want to , I would . I would not recommend getting into full out brawls with your children as their right of passage . That doesn't strike me as a good way to go .

So like I'm like this is a day ticket , so you're only , and he'll just like laugh and then hug me . Oh , okay , but they just think it's funny , you know it's like it's so , not our dynamic . And now you have probably Chetty , I don't know cancer or some shit like that . I'm not really fucking sure Now which .

To someone who just had a cancer scare in the midst of an ice cream social where there are families and children , and you know what , though , I got to have a smoke . So fuck all of y'all , like fuck every single one , but even fuck you , because I would have to actually think about the fact that this would impact you .

To say fuck you , I'm just going to smoke because that's what I feel like doing .

First of all , I don't think Sean Simmons , the creator of the show , gets enough credit , for just this line itself shows like oh , he is isolating three different people's how they're affected by cancer in completely different ways . If you hear the first part of Bobby Shetty's speech , he says , yeah , the kid fucking burned down a house with his old man .

And if you're the cop , you go Jesus Christ , this kid's a fucking murderer , right . And then he says , oh , you know , it's like the old guy , you know the guy who's already dead . I guess a firefighter said , or whatever , dance cancer or some shit . I don't really fucking sure , and you're like , oh wait a second , like this is right .

So totally changes Geller's opinion , especially because he just passed over the paper that said whatever . And the reaction is I don't know cancer . And I got a cigarette . Now , coach , it would be better if he said you know , fuck everybody . But he doesn't . What does he say he goes to ? He said first of all , geller checks . Did you say cancer ? You know what ?

I got to have a smoke . Can I have a smoke ? Can I have a fucking smoke ? Can I fucking smoke here ?

That's a liberal fabrication . That's the libs . All right , we're outside . How can it possibly I don't know science how can it possibly hurt anybody ? I'm literally outside . You tell me the wind fucking isn't going to carry to it . You know what I'm saying ? Like the mentality , you just go what like . But he is certain of that .

Can I fucking smoke here Because he's persecuted coach ?

We don't randomly scream curses when children gather Right , like what is happening . Why do you keep screaming , fuck Like what's happening .

Huh , and now we hit , we see , now we see something . You called him mid coach . I'm very fascinated by how people view Geller at this point in the story , because he's a , he's a fixture . Um , what is going on here , boss ? Walk us through what Sergeant Killers doing now .

But he is trying to figure out Wayne's motivation , and so one of the things that he asks is now this boy . He says he's obviously lashing out , he's in pain and Bobby does not care for that . Right there is no chance he wants to identify with Wayne and what Wayne might be going through Between his father dying and anything .

Uh , did you see how , uh , how fazed by this was ? Uh , yeah , good coach , talk about coach is making a hand signal .

He doesn't even move his head to watch Bobby go down , like he just shifts his eyes and follows him down to the ground with his eyes and then looks back up , like Okay , like .

Oh , this guy's gonna just think he was just like okay , like you're gonna do this , you're , you're by Billy's chetty , you , you , you have a five cent head . You're probably gonna be do something stupid and Jay's gonna taste like like it's almost like a practical inevitability .

I mean like you're about to get it because , come on , what are you Like ? It's so funny to me that the approach is I'm gonna kick your ass , and just how quickly . It's like you're really not . You're really Like I get that . You're in your backyard slapping your kid around . You are the boss , but You're really not gonna kick my ass like I'm not .

I'm not phased by your threat and I'm also not phased by the fact that you're now on the ground . I don't really .

Like what is going on here ? So , yeah , I it's just , it's great . But yeah , he's really upset and can't believe like that we're not all being very super sweet right now , um , but the best is that cancer and everything . Yeah , jay , there's something I forgot to tell you like every character here is insane . What do you mean ?

You forgot to tell him like he's beside himself with concern for you . You slid your medical results to some fucking idiot , but you forgot to tell what is happening .

We have , we have Tracy driving like a looks like a Chrysler LaBaron convertible or something like that , like a Circa in 2008 , yeah , 2005 , chrysler LaBaron convert or something like that . Um and um , it's Tracy in the driver's seat and we got , uh , who was in the passenger seat here ?

They have one with fewy bridges and one with , uh , rosaam cash . And on the album it says featuring and I can't do it , I can't say the national featuring fewy bridges , because even that that's the weight of sentence that's ever existed and I still feel uncomfortable saying it . I'm like they did a song and rosaam cash is there . Cash is .

I feel like boss has something on this for me .

This is a study of cigarettes and cigarette smoking .

They ever see you ever seen that ? Okay , that's okay . Yeah , coach is looking like that's crazy .

But anyway , they're driving and you notice that she's singing , and then there's a shot of del . And what is del doing ?

When she made fun of his jacket I didn't feel like it was that like proverbial gun in in um act one that must be shot in act three . I thought , yeah , that's some mean shit , she would say because she's pissed and it is kind of a weird jacket and okay , right , like I thought that was that .

And so when it got used here , just as a matter of craft , I found myself going oh nice yeah .

What we do on this podcast , which is I'm like , oh man , that's a great . We're watching some show and I'm like , oh , the structure of that joke is just that's really . And he's like oh my god , like he's like are you serious , right ? Can you unplug ? Yeah ?

So as I was watching this , I just found myself the the writer part of me applauding and going nicely done , did not see that as an element I was gonna care about , but I'm fully aware of it and I know exactly what the fuck it means .

I , when I was in eighth grade , um , as I , as I remember this , specifically wanted A burgundy , as well as going to grow up and be a baller , I wanted a burgundy Chrysler le Baron convertible because I was walking one day or no , actually it's from my window at my dad's , my dad's apartment .

I saw a guy in one and they were chilling in the car and two of his friends were sitting like on that Part where the roof would come up , but like the top was down so they could sit there and they were the absolute vision of cool to me and I was like I will have that car Did work out that way .

And if you look at them now with today's eyes , they , they , they kind of aged . Well , I think they're not . You know , they're not horrendous , like you can still go . Oh , that's actually right it looks like fun still , you know , even if they're more dated , this is like a real shitter and I can't . It's not . Is it a k car ? Is it like a relying k ?

But I don't know if they did convertibles for the k cars , but anyway it's a shitter . Um , and so they pull over . Uh , out goes del . She jumps out hey , where'd you get that jacket ? And the dude in you know the dwayne gave the jacket to . He's like uh , uh , Uh . And what does his friend say coach , Are you wanes girl ? And she says what ?

Because we've seen what's going on , I'm like , oh , my god , they're telling , they think , they are telling her what they think , which is that they watched him , they saw it be killed , they saw him shot in the head . Yeah , they saw it . So there , you know . So it's , yeah , it's , it's , it's all very it's fascinating .

This guy must really somehow Really care about her , even though human emotion isn't a real thing . Where she grew up , right , I mean it's , it's kind of cool .

And she looks back at Tracy , like what the fuck ? And , and it's this one , a single shot of Of del . And then we cut , which I like , because the audience knows what's up . You don't have to waste time , you just bring us back like , oh yeah , what's going on with mine right now ?

And then we cut back and we are now this side shot of kira Leaning forward , presumably looking at wane , and she's just , her adding , just stirring at him with a switchblade .

It's like is she in that moment going to be saying well , I'm not necessarily his girl , but he and I are traveling together and I do like him a little bit , but I'm not sure where it's going , because we just met like totally , but but she didn't know .

One of my roommates and I decided we were both going to dress up as old school gangsters , like not the not like Sexy gangster costume , but like we're gonna put on some bad fedora , hats and pinstripes and walk around the light and be funny . And she looked amazing . I thought I looked good .

And then when I got there , one of our friends had already had too much to drink and was like not passed out but close to asleep in the basement . And somehow I was the one that was like called up to take care of this . And somebody came upstairs and looked at me and said , okay , so you're Dick Tracy .

And I was like , well , no , no , that wasn't exactly . I wasn't trying , I wasn't going for dick tree . But then I was like , yes , fine , I'm Dick Tracy , let's fucking where's my past out . Fine , let's go find her , take care of this . I , it felt more like that .

Also , as long as we're talking about the writing craft of it , people think about when you get into a scene , and that's a , that's a whole skill . Like when is like , when is the absolute latest moment we can get in here ?

But getting out of a scene , well , is also a skill and Consistently right , whether it's you know oh I forgot to the eye cancer or it's you know that moment , you know , with del looking back at Tracy and the car , it leaves us with some questions , not questions of like well , what will be said , but like , well , then what happened ?

And we're out and we're kind of grabbed by whatever we're watching next . I thought it was I anyway . I think consistently that's been done through this show . That is the skill that has been shown and it could be the editor like . For all I know , the scene went on for another two pages and the editor said we don't need any of that shit .

But however they got there . It's really well done here .

And and now that we've reached a moment where they've , in their infinite wisdom , the brand trust of Lee and Kira has decided , you know , we're gonna give Wayne a chance . So she cuts his , his , uh , his hands , which are bound behind him . Like she doesn't cut his hands , she cuts the rope holding his hands .

And don't , don't , try nothing , funny , um , which , okay , uh , you got a gun on me and a knife and uh , but they're gonna give him a chance to , uh , to free himself . What ? What do they say here , boss ?

Like I understand why she decided that they needed to do something , but it's kind of like Well , we kidnapped you and we can't let you go , because if we let you go , you're gonna go to the cops .

But if I force you to play this game with me and you Abide by the rules that I'm making you abide by , then we'll have a deal where you won't go to the cops . Like that , doesn't that ?

Oh , my god yeah um , we get a shot of wane and he's very calm . He's looking at the knife . And what does he say , boss , what are we playing guys ? Yeah , he's almost , it is almost exhausted . He's like I'm in a rush to go get del . And now these like inbred , like like degenerate , possibly psycho , you know , you know , like want to be killer .

Bullshit is in my way . He's just like Like I don't think he seems fearful , but no , he's on alert . He's like on like okay , how , yeah , he has to , I think he's more From .

They're talking , but they're just dumb enough to fuck this up and I end up dead . That's , that's the vibe I get . So when he says , what are we playing guys ? I get the sense that he's like I don't , I am figuring out how I'm gonna get the fuck out of here .

So tell me about this thing so I can figure out if , if there's a hammer I can put in my pocket , like you know what I mean , like that he doesn't in the rest of his life , like he's gonna use whatever's around to fight . And I think he's just sort of figuring out . Is there anything about this game I can leverage to get the fuck out of here ?

It's called different things in different places .

And I was like they're like , oh , you got to try this . And I was like , oh , yeah , no , definitely , like just , we'll do it after after school . And then I'm kidding because you're all stupid and I had cutting my hand , like in any , like I hate paper cuts , right , why would I willfully ever step ?

You know , you can see where they fucked up and cut the sides of their fingers and stuff . And I'm like , for what again , like I was like I don't know , it does not compute , but anyway I don't have enough .

Like I always am like when people bungee jumping , I'm like the fuck for the fuck , for I get that it does something for other people . But my reaction is always why the fuck would I do that ? Like ? And to me , this game is just that Like . I'm like why would I cut my hand to do ? But then what happens ?

Like what even happens if I'm the greatest whoever lived at this ? Nothing like this . No , it's literally all downside . Guys , what are we doing ?

Right , like go ahead , but I'm not fucking jumping off a trellis in the middle of nowhere , like I'm not . Are you out of your fucking mind ? But whatever , yeah .

I never actually very , very , very good at this . I don't know how she got good , I don't know why she want to be good , but it was very fast . It looked to me like they sped up the film or technically slow down the film a little bit yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . But it looked like that , but still impressive by the way .

So you would actually slow down the film so that when you play it it's faster , and I used to have to just sort of sit for a second with that , before I made any decisions , because it's weird to me Yep , yep , totally .

But I immediately thought he is going to that moment when he lifts the knife . I was like he's going to stab himself in the goddamn head .

They're very rarely like the hero of anything . And to have Dell walk in , but okay , I'll just ask the question how many times have either of you seen that brand of hero shot of a teenage girl ?

Daffy laughs , you know , was laughing at me when we were watching that chimp empire I told you all about , because a few different times chimps went off on their own and I said , man , you got to stick with the click . We left together . We came here together . We mother fucking leave together . Like that , you know what are you doing .

And to me I was like here's what Dell is about . Dell might think he's a fucking idiot , they might think he's wearing a stupid jacket , but that's my mother , fucking friend . And what's not going to happen is y'all are not going to fuck up my friend , Like that's just not going to happen .

Shit , I might beat his ass five minutes after we leave here , but what's not going to happen is you are not just going to fuck my friend . And so I was like , oh , she's for real .

The camera somehow magically behind her in the doorway and zooms into the shark on the back of Wayne's jacket that she made fun of that now she is wearing and there's like no , it's like it's just for , like , trying to defend this , like in a film school format . People be like what are you doing ?

That's like you cannot do that , but it works so well for some reason . He's like OK , like go ahead .

And he says hey , back . He's still got the knife in the air , but he's got a real like smile on his face , like right , delicious . And it's just hey , hey . And they smile at each other and now you got Lee fucking Murray saying what , boss , oh great , now we're going to have to kill her too . Oh no , sorry , I'm sorry , that was Kira that said that .

And then Lee fucking Murray says this this is such a , such a misogynistic , terrible line .

A goddamn joke Like all that came out in this line to me . Because she's standing there with something of a weapon .

I understand you're the one with a gun , but the idea that you don't even know how to start that , come on , you don't even know how to start that thing Like that , that is right , right , right , the fucking nerve of you , and yeah , and then we get a great moment behind that and what is that Now ?

Now , I'm not sure all that goes into this , but I promise you that is not my mistake . He is . It has a meaning . I don't know . You know if it's like stop fucking with me you , you know ugly term for woman , or why don't you stop nagging me ? You can kiss my ass . I don't know what it means , but I promise you it means something .

That that's how he held his hand . As he said it which , by the way , is also a fascinating way to respond to your child saying that it is so cold in the house that they can see their breath Like . This is Mr Protective who's got to find his daughter . And his response was why don't you learn how to cut wood and stop fucking nagging me ?

Why don't you teach her how to cut wood ? You're her fucking father . What does that ? What do you mean ? Learn Like where she's supposed to learn it the fucking wood cutting class in school , like he's just horrible and so . But the beauty of it is then we go , we follow her .

We see that she decides yeah well , I'll do just fucking that , which I love , that she doesn't go crying a corner about it . And we see her absolutely learn how to do it .

And then we cut back to her in this space and she boom drops , holds on to the cord that you used to start it and lets the and allows the chain saw to drop and come back up to her like a fucking yo-yo . It is as bad as anything I've seen with chainsaw in my life . And then he says motor starts , she's ready to rock .

And then she says now I'm going to cut your dick off . And I thought , oh my God , I am just . Wow . Can I adopt this kid ? Can I just ? Are you kidding me with this fucking girl ? She's great , she is phenomenal .

I'm not entirely sure , but James Cameron , the director , and Linda Hamilton were in a romantic relationship when they were filming Terminator 2 .

She points out to James Cameron , her partner and the director I just got stabbed through the shoulder . There's absolutely no way that I could do this . And he's like it's not that kind of movie , it doesn't matter . Like it doesn't matter if you shoot it . Nobody's paying attention to it that way . She's like I'm paying attention to it this way .

I got stabbed through the shoulder . My character gets stabbed through the shoulder . I am not holding up a gun and able to pump it this way . Like it's never going to work . He says honestly , this is not this big of a deal . She's like let me give me one shot , let me take one shot .

If it doesn't work , we don't have to do it , but give me one shot . And what she does is grabs the pump , the slide and shoots it to that good gun down . Like it's hard as you can I remember that moment ?

I cannot prove that Linda Hamilton is actually the one responsible for that , but I choose to believe it because it's one of the greatest things that I've ever seen in my entire life .

But more to the point of this show , in addition to that being extremely badass Castle , one of the things that you have said before is how would she know this ? Where would she learn it ? Who would teach her ? And at the time I thought like , yeah , I get what he's saying , but something felt not exactly right about that .

I need there to be no confusion that children who suffer abuse are extremely savvy in their abuse , and by that I mean they do know that something isn't right , like even if it's not , that they live in this world where they are unaware of other people .

They know about TV shows and sometimes they have friends and they will not invite their friends over to their house because their house dynamic is sad and scary . But when they go to your house , they know how that works , they know what family dynamics are supposed to look like .

And so , having her do this , her dad says I don't care if it's freezing in here , I'm not going to take care of you , you go take care of yourself , you go learn how to do it .

And then she does , and so I just I want to make very clear that children who have dealt with abuse , even when they get older , are often extremely skilled in learning how to do these things .

Yeah , Sorry , I didn't want to cough , and so I'm sure that there's a shit ton of things that Del has picked up because she's had to , and that she has skills that we wouldn't imagine that she would because of the abuse . It doesn't make it good , it just means that there are ways that she has used that to her advantage .

Like one of the things I've said in my life is like I've I've been doing this for a long time , I have a lot of friends and I don't expect people to look out for me . You know like to take care of me . Like I've had to learn how to , whatever .

But there are a few friends , like that story I told on the on our on our last , our last last episode about my friend who you know the guy pushed me on the basketball court anyway , and it means so much to me because people rarely think to protect me . You know what I mean .

Like if you're Dell , it's , it's you just rarely have anybody look out for you or or care how you like , not even care how you're doing , but invest in how you're doing and so yeah , for sure .

Uh , somehow financial aid gets fixed fucked up and the financial aid officer is like we kind of can't let you come back to school . He's counting out dollars 3750 , 371 , some two counting out the dollars to pay his tuition .

Jeremy Ellen White is great at this specific thing and the speech is amazing . I don't want to downplay that . But there's a minute , like a split second , just a little like flash across his face , where he realizes the financial aid officer is going to try to give him some bullshit .

That you tell rich kids when they have a lot of options and this is not what he is here for . He cannot do that and so he needs to come clean to the financial aid officer and let him know how fucking bad things are at home , Like he he's going to need to let him peek behind this so that the financial aid officer understands what's going on .

And it sucks to have to do that Like . You need to walk this very thin line between you . Let them know that there is something amiss , but you don't tell them so much that they are scared away by the creepiness of your household .

And so I think that I think that the reason that Dell reacted to Tracy the way she did when they first met was not because Dell instinctively will push everybody away . I think that she read that Tracy was not coming at her with the right intentions . She picked up on that . In this case it wasn't danger , but in some times it can be .

When she picked up on that little bit that was off , she pushed that away . I don't know if Dell would do that with everyone . I think that if she could find somebody who would be willing to help her , if there was an aunt or neighbor or teacher , I think that she would use that . I think that that just hasn't been her experience yet .

That's a ranged fight , a ranged weapon versus melee weapon , and so Wayne is mindful of that and he goes wait , I didn't get my turn Right . He's going to go and provide a distraction using his superpower . Tiro's like what ? And what does he do , coach ? He's true to your prediction .

Like he's like , oh shit , like I've been in enough tangles to know that I appreciate you coming in here , but you are in real danger of dying right now and it's super heroic of him to do this as a distraction .

With the full expectation that as soon as she started talking , I would immediately talk over her . And she knew it , and she started talking and it was like the one of the first times where I was like , well , not one of the first times , but it was like , okay , this is teamwork , you know she'd see the signals coming and she knows .

You know , exactly where the goal . Yeah , and you go with this . I just said Lee , fucking Murray , he's got a , got a ranged weapon and and Dell's got a melee weapon . Guess what happens to a chainsaw when you hook it it becomes a ranged weapon .

So as soon as everyone's distracted through the air , the gun is gun is turned towards Wayne and Dell hooks the , the chainsaw at him and over and lands and cuts through his foot and the shock he backs up , shotgun goes off , blows apart the lava lamp , spraying Kira with the , the , the , the goo that's in there , the hot , hot goo .

So it was like something so boring , but anyway it's hot and it's on her face . She doesn't necessarily know that it's not the glass from the thing that shattered and she's . You know . Lee is screaming you fucking cocksucker . And while he's injured , of course Wayne jumps into the fray . He still tied the chair .

So he backs Lee into a corner head , butts him backwards to knock him out and pulls the wrapping off so that he get the chair away from himself .

By that time Kira's recovered , she picks up the shotgun and she aims it at Wayne and Dell .

And it wasn't white night and it wasn't , you know , chivalrous , it was . She's with me , I care about her and if you , if you , if you're going to shoot her , it's gone , because you shot me first . And I thought that was really yeah , I thought that was , I thought that was really an important moment in all this . I mean she does .

I mean she tells her to go over there with the gun , but she does stand next to him . Dell doesn't run behind Wayne .

And so , Wayne , it looks very serious in this moment because we're talking about the stupidity on display and how he was navigating , that , Just like you said , he's not worried about the violence , he's worried about the stupidity . And he says don't , because he can see that she is amped up . You know , Lee is gone . She's got a weapon .

She doesn't know how to control herself . She was the one advocating murder in the first place , right . Yeah , he says don't . And she says I have to , though don't I Like , because she doesn't know . But she is dumber in the bag of hammers and so right , I have to , though don't I imagine . This mentality is so terrifying to me . And and Wayne says what ?

Right , like he's thinking like how do I get out of this den of idiots ?

But what I also loved about it is now the confirmation that every violent thing Wayne himself has done before he knew he needed to absolutely do he like took a look at the entire playing of a field of play when what's his face was beating up his buddy in the hallway and he was like , well , I need to grab that trumpet .

I mentioned my cousin CJ earlier and he said it was a whole conversation we were having about , you know , apologies and regrets or whatever . And he said look , I know what I did and I know why I did it because I was there .

And his point is this may not have been like the admirable thing or the not admirable thing , but the math in that moment added up to this choice . And I can walk you through my math , no matter how either of us feels about the choice I made .

Now , and I think this is that where it's like Wayne's really sharp on that front , Because I didn't even to see a trumpet is not , he didn't see a gun , but he saw a trumpet and he was like I can use the trumpet , just like later I'm going to use the bike lock right , Like he just whatever is around , he's that scrappy .

Like that's a crazy person that has no idea . And so the show telling us , showing us repeatedly that that is not the case , he's not out of control , he's not unaware , he has a skill set that most people don't have , because his father taught it to him . His father gave him as much of a code as he could and his code says you do this shit .

So , even though it's violent in a way that we aren't expecting , it has reason and a method to it , and I love that .

They show us somebody in a less privileged position having that and using what he learned in that position in other ways , like we are seeing the fact that being abused , being neglected , not having as great of a life isn't good , but it doesn't mean that you are devoid of skills . It means that you have different skills .

And then , in the same way , Coach talks about , like , oh , the bearing the lead in plain sight , or sort of bearing the answer in plain sight . What actually gets them out of this ? What is the moment that happens here to save Wayne and Dell ?

I mean it's just going to right and he stands and he faces it and he flexes .

of that , whatever it is you're about to do , or say , buddy , let me tell you it's nothing to me and yeah . So anyway , when she yelled North Side for the kick was awesome .

Nobody would roll past my mom's house right now and be like whoa , look at the rough and tumble streets .

And there really is a point where there have been times that I've had to pause and figure out how old I was . But I know I'm 51 . Right , I get something like this .

So I took it also as that is , like she has officially hit the numbers where , like , she turned 40 and she was like , well , I mean , there's no , there's no three quarters anymore , we're done with three quarters .

But yeah , I'm the I'm most qualified to speak of it . On this , podcast bosses like typing . Boss doesn't look , she's typing .

So often , like we have mentioned before in when Harry Met Sally , when my grind cries about how she's going to be 40 someday , and then I don't know , for me as a woman , when I hit my 40s , I was like shit , it's fucking awesome . This is great .

acquaintance of mine so that I could attend wine fest , and that's what I'm doing this weekend , and not this weekend , obviously . But , like you , just everybody stops paying attention and you get to stop caring what people think , and it's fucking . Walking around and not being self conscious is one of the best things in the world .

So , yes , don't be afraid of turning 40 . It's fucking amazing .

I was . I'm not a big Larry David fan , mm-mm .

Like you know , they like cringe humor or things that give me physical pain while I watch it I go , oh my God , it just does something to me , but usually not the way they want . Like you know , like I'm not , it's the type of humor that doesn't doesn't really work for me as well .

So , while I can recognize his skill and talent and whatever , I don't , I don't spend a lot of time watching the guy . But there was one tiny clip of the Larry David show , I think , one time I watched and he was on the beach , I think , and he was wearing a stupid ass hat and he looked stupid .

He had , he looked stupid , he has all kinds of stupid shit on and his buddy is like what are you wearing ? He's like I'm married and wear whatever I want . And I was like yes , oh , I was like , oh , because the purpose of clothing by and large is to , is to condition someone else's response .

It's not for you often , right , it's so that you can put on a like . I remember when we got this little ding in the side of our minivan . We have a minivan and it got sort of scratched up in this one thing . It was like , ok , we can pay our thousand dollar deductible and then you know whatever . And Julianne was like , who are we fixing that for ?

Like , who gives a shit , we're not going to sell this van , we're going to run it into the ground . It'll never have another owner . Who are we ? We're going to pay a thousand bucks . So the parents at the kids school where we drop off will will nod in unison politely at us , you know . And like like who ? Who is they're going to judge us ?

Fuck them , wow , not in those words .

So thank you .

It was like oh , he drives like a banged up like 1998 grand Cherokee or something and it's got all it's all dinged up and I'm like I kind of dig that , like I kind of like something about him , like there's , there's like or like Keanu Reeves maybe it was somebody where I was like oh , okay , yeah , like they've like leveled up to the point where they just

don't have to care anymore and I think that boss addresses this better than anybody . Which he's like it's just we spend so much of our . It's a hard world to live in . It may have been easier , maybe easier in the past for a lot of people , but like right now it I know as a parent it feels it's hard .

It just getting through the day is hard and the world seems like it keeps getting harder . And how ? What percentage of that hardship is like us worrying about what other people think . I'm like , oh my God , even as adults , you just go .

People would think like , oh , he is living a life and on the inside is like speeding thoughts , all these voices , will you shut the fuck up ? No , don't shut the fuck up . This is the so-and-so is liking this . Okay , then I guess I should tell another story . Well , no , don't tell another story , shut the fuck up .

I'm like , oh my God , it would take so much work for me to like tamp all that down and just sort of like be at the party and all that . So , yes , hard , I think it . Yeah , it's hard in ways . Life is hard in ways I didn't expect personally and then I couldn't have fathomed worldwide .

But like personally , I just I don't know when I thought it would be . I mean , I think if you asked me , I was a kid and it pinned me down , it would be like somewhere between 35 and 40 . Like you've got it figured out and then you just sort of like , live the rest of your life , you raise your kids .

But you know what's what and there's some of that , there's some truth to that , you know . I heard a car turning the other day and I heard click , click , click , click , click , click , click and I was like that's a boot , you better go get that boot fixed .

It's just a stylized version of their existence , you know , curated for everybody else's eyes . And sometimes you know , obviously there are certain exceptions , but in general I'm skeptical of people that have that think they haven't all figured out because I go . Hmm Well , no I mean like right .

Every expert I know , expert in quotes , Every internet expert I know is an idiot . It's an absolute idiot . Like , not just like on this topic . They are not sharp people , but get them started on immunology and they will share their research .

Wayne kicks the shotgun away and what does Tracy say ? Like in this aftermath moment , like where the adrenaline's still pumping , you're not quite sure what to do , and it's like , oh , we're kind of a , are we a team ? Now , you know , like this kind of moment , I respect it . Tracy didn't have to put her ass on the line .

There's a gun in there , like you know what I mean .

Yes , it's just kind of stunning that the absolute , the , the , the lack of respect between when , when and and and boss will say , oh yeah , tracy started it , but but , but , the thank you , tracy , like the , the horror show that said that to her in the morning is the she saved her ass at in the afternoon .

I just go , wow , that life is funny and yeah , it's just sort of an amazing moment . So Tracy says what here , boss ?

But also it's like , oh , don't do what she does , cause there has never been a teenager alive cool enough that I'd be like , yes , I would like to get high with you right now as a middle aged woman . Like , I'm sorry , teenagers , this is not against you , it's just developmentally inappropriate .

Uh , a suggestion .

I suggest that the bike is an allegory for their relationship and so as they travel on the bike , which is like a it's a smaller bike , it's like , you know , kind of banged up , but like it can go , but it doesn't have all the bells and whistles , like sort of like you know , you have the sense , like it's it can do the job , but it's a little challenged .

And as Wayne is doing this , dale walks up behind . She kind of glances at him because she knows like , okay , if I get back on this bike , meaning the relationship is going to continue , we're going to be in this together . I have to have a conversation with him . She knows she has to do it .

But in almost every context where I've heard that that way , it's meant physical , or at least in part physically .

We met two days ago and I'm not sure that I'm ready to just say I'm your girlfriend , but we have just saved each other's lives . You're the best thing that's happened to me in a while . So , all right , I'll be a little vulnerable to see where this goes .

I only jumped in on the David Tennant seasons because , to be perfectly honest , he wears glasses and he's coming back in November as the doctor again . He's extremely attractive and I would like to know what's going on so I could be caught up on that .

So the first companion that David Tennant has is Rose Tyler and she has a relationship with this guy , mickey , and it's I don't know if it's British or if it's something else , but like he is her boyfriend and then they kind of break up but then they still see each other , like they still have a relationship , even when they're not officially boyfriend , girlfriend

or whatever it is . When she is like literally traveling the universe with another man , she sort of has this relationship with Mickey that's hard to qualify exactly .

Like it's not just friends but they're not dating , like it's an in between , and I was trying to figure out if there was a good word for that , because like Del gave him a kiss on the cheek and then they ran away together but they didn't make out .

We haven't seen them be physically romantic with each other , but they are in this relationship , so like there should be a word for that . Like it's I feel like our language is really limited in a lot of ways , especially when it comes to relationships , especially between men and women .

Like we invented this phrase , friends with benefits because the idea that you might be physically attracted to a friend but not necessarily want to be in a full blown relationship with them , it seems foreign to us . Like these are the kinds of things that they're not exactly friends but they're not exactly dating . So what the fuck are they ?

And the internet , when I type that in , doesn't give me any good information . It just makes me be rude to coach Bishop , which is my least favorite thing .

There's a lot of stuff that during pandemic I was trying to track down and I either couldn't get it through whatever streaming service or whatever , but staged , I will check into . I will put that on my list .

There was a movie with Tom Hardy and a lot of people don't like Tom Hardy , but there's a movie where he was on the phone driving in his car . I can't remember the name of it right now . I got to think about it . The whole movie was him driving in his car . That's it . That was a whole movie and it was fucking great .

I was like , oh my God , you know how good you have to me to keep me injured . Like it's literally just him talking to people on the phone in his car , then like ramping up the tension . I'm like , wow , like dear God , that's a hard role to have . You know what I mean . Like how do you do that ?

So these guys are doing these literally Zoom calls in a time where everybody hated Zoom calls and it still was like absolutely phenomenal . So I highly recommend that In this speech with Wayne Dell says okay , we're going to take it slow Now .

Boys , we don't want to talk about this , but boys are not trained to be sent . They don't know how to take this type . This is a rejection .

It could be very , very easily perceived as a rejection and something in her is attuned to that , so that she ends up we've talked about it on the show and I talk about it all the time which is you never want to blame and shame . If you can help , you can help it , like most of the time , 99% of the time , you can help .

So blaming and shaming doesn't work . It just doesn't work . And so if he had that sense , this may have been a tough moment . But she says all that . She says you know , this is how it's going to be . We're going to be friends first . I'm not like breaking up or where's it taking things slower , and then we'll see .

And then , without looking up , she's got her eyes down . She says I'm weird , we fucked up . So this is like , this is me right . I'm like oh God . And then it invites him to come into the boat again . And so , and what does he say , coach , in response to that ?

You know what I mean . It's like a . I think that's how she was using it . But but yeah , she doesn't want to be a 41 year old waitress with regress . And he needed to see . And they have this moment . They look at each other , they smile and it's okay , right , the moment , the moment is good , it's not bad . How much farther do we have to go ?

I'm guessing I should look this up because I'm curious about the actual road trip . I wonder if anybody did the work to chart this . I'm sure the production team did . I'm guessing this is Rhode Island or Connecticut . I doubt they would have gotten as far as like New York or New Jersey on the on that first night .

You know , maybe , like they go four hour , I guess . I mean guess they could have driven through the night and made it as far as like Jersey . But going down the Eastern Seaboard I'm curious . I wonder where ? Where this ? You know what's Tracy's hometown , basically .

I don't think you put that in the background as part of production . If you wanted to communicate today , made it to Jersey . You know what I'm saying .

But okay , so I got a postcard with the town we're going to , we'll buy a map and so , okay , he's got a plan , no worries , right . And so he's looking through his bag and Dell notices he's looking through his bag and he glances over at her like a little like shit , and she says tell me , you didn't fucking lose it . I mean , this is , it's so funny .

She looks away , she's like shit . And again , they don't , they're not going to waste a lot of time with it . Now , we , now we know we don't have to . We know what that thing looked like . We saw it . It was featured in the pilot . Like this dad handed it to him . It's a perfect Like . It is a key piece of evidence , right .

And now we cut right back to the . Now , you know , moderately recovered . Oh God , this guy , he is unbelievable . Okay , so we cut back to the police station . Bobby the Cheney is now being he's got .

He's sort of had his arms behind him in handcuffs and Jay , jay , jay , jay , jay , jay Jay , jay , jay , jay , jay Jay Jay , with his arms behind him in handcuffs , and Jay , it looks like he's taking off the cuffs , he's standing up , he's no longer on the ground from the tazer and we're in the actual station house .

And this , this is like amazing to me , like the balls of this guy , the nerve of this fucking guy . Coach , what does he say here to to a Sergeant Keller ?

How does Sergeant Geller respond ? What does he say ?

What the fuck are you going to do about my daughter ? Yeah , what the fuck are you going to do about my sister ?

There's a lot of empathy that Geller is showing . There's a little bit where it's like he was afraid that he had cancer , so now he is going to identify with people with cancer more Like it's a little bit selfish , but most of it is . He understands that other people are going through things , so he is going to try to help them out .

He's not going to come down on this poor kid whose dad just died , but he's also not going to arrest Bobby , because he's trying to be nice to everybody .

Even when it's to him , even when the tinnest is in his direction , he cannot wrap his head around someone not putting their foot on whoever's neck the first chance they get .

Sometimes it requires a taser right , but , like , like you know , it's like this is the dynamic and , yeah , Bobby has no patience for a binary . There's his perspective or the wrong perspective , that's it . So he has no methodology to get past that .

It's what he says to the guy that just didn't press charges for threatening an officer . Oh God , I love it so much . You got these absolute dildos next to him . These guys are so funny , I love them so much , I'm gonna call them out this entire time . I love stupid characters .

John and Jamie Champagne playing Carl and Teddy Lucchetti it is so hard to play stupid this . Well , I mean , it is like inspired . And they also are wearing caps that are just like unmarked black and white caps , like one is black , one is white . There's such drips I can't . I don't know . I love it , I can't . I can't get enough of it . Thanks for nothing .

And now in comes who this is ? Now the plot thickens a little bit because we're just about to have this resolution . Lucchetti's about to , are about to leave the precinct right , and who walks in boss ? Who's this mystery surprise guest ?

You were allowed into the bars when you turned 19 , but still couldn't legally drink until you were 21 . So they had to have all sorts of symptoms where they would stamp your hand if you were getting a drink . But they wouldn't stamp your hand but you were allowed in blah blah .

There was one gay bar on campus and I went with my delightful friend one time it was me , her and another one of our friends and I am a little bit older than she is . So the other friend who happened to be a guy , he and I got stamped with it said top because we were both over 21 .

And my friend who was younger , got stamped bottom because she was only 20 . And she said , well , why did you guys get top and I didn't ? And I was like because we're 21 and you're not ? She said , oh , oh , oh , oh , oh oh .

I thought he got stamped top because he's a man and I got stamped bottom because I'm a woman , and in the missionary position that's how the men and women are . Wow . And I was like there is so much to unpack in that Number one .

Number one what you're telling me is that you thought that they would look at us and our IDs and stamp us by what we are projecting as our gender identity , that , like he is stamping , yes , she is a woman . I don't understand that . Number two we are going into a gay bar .

Why would they decide to use the missionary position between a man and a woman as the signifier of how they're going to stamp us ? Like what happened when you saw that ? That is what your mind jumped to , like none of it makes any sense . Doll face , I love you so much , but none of that makes any sense . That's really funny .

So , yeah , it's kind of like that . It's like one , it's not even a good picture . And two , he's not walking around with this dick out Like you're not going to be like , oh that .

I saw that on that most wanted poster , a sketch of that boy's penis .

You know this guy's like kind of a , you know he's just kind of stiff , this landlord , and so he's like no , no , no , no , no , no , no . This like it's not the penis . And he shows the postcard . I don't think the kid meant for this to be in here , but I'm pretty damn sure that's the kid's mom .

He says now , by the way , chetty , on his way out over here , is this ? He says it's been a long time she's lived in my building , but I'm almost positive that's her . And look where it's stamped from . And just right over Geller's shoulder , conveniently Downton Abbey style , like every single plot point in Downton Abbey , is one person overhearing something .

It's like amazing . He just go are you serious with this ? Oh , but this is basically this , is it so ? Bobby sees it and , as if he needed to help , geller says out loud Ocala , Florida , unbelievable . And he goes huh , it's something .

It is universal and message Like it is . So it's like if you come up here and you go , you know like they'd say different regions of the country , right , right they , what's your favorite ? I mean in New York it might be pizza , or whatever . Chicago might be pizza , right , and then Philly it'll be a cheese steak . Up here they all say , oh , chowder .

But it's not chowder , it's fucking chicken parm . That's funny , like everybody's chicken parm .

But , gellar , I cannot wait to see how your opinion migrates on like cause you're , I forget , I think coach . You said he was mid right , yeah yeah . And then we're seeing also that he's somehow weirdly empathetic , which might just be a projection of his own selfishness . We don't know at this point , but like it's starting .

It feels like some version of a mantra . Now , like , my new thing is second chances . We don't know if it's gonna last just the end of the day . We don't know . We don't know what this guy is , but we know that he says what's his problemo . We know he whispers bastard boy . Right , he's a little , he's definitely not typecast .

Yes , when was it Whenever it was that I talked about the bishop and Les Mis forgiving Valjean , and that is because he's representative of the church . The church is supposed to forgive .

The police theoretically should be rehabilitating and putting out productive citizens into the world , and what we have is a system that says you individually need to eat this shit and forgive your mom or your ex or whoever the fuck it is . You're supposed to forgive this person when it should be .

All of the structures in place Say we are going to give you what you need in order to have a second chance , and then the individuals could say I can't do that , for I can't get there . Or I've seen the work that you've done by going to this rehab facility that we have open to the public , and so now I can get there with you .

Like , I don't want anybody to think that I'm not in favor of second chances . I'm in favor of second chances where they are supported by the weight of society in order to make them more effective .

But similarly I am driven crazy . There was a story , for example , about some little kid I get who saved up his money so that he could pay off all the kid's lunch bills . And everybody was like , oh is this sweet .

You know it's interesting . We've talked so much again on an individual level about emotional labor and sort of the heterosexual model of the household and so on , but we probably could look at how that overlay that model of an imbalance of emotional labor onto much broader societal issues , right , and much broader pieces of like how we do things .

But yeah , no , I'm with you on that , though with in terms of forgiveness , like , yeah , he's had a hard life , or he's a drug addict , yeah , like you said , like , so maybe we should be financing rehab centers and not making this my fucking fault so you can steal my next clarinet . Get the fuck out of here .

So I live on a lake and so we have a well for our water , but because you know , this was not planned years ago , like people just build houses all over the lake , there's all these like really sort of questionable proximity concerns between where drinking water wells are and septic systems are , and then also like things leaching and so you just go .

Oh so we have water that we , you know , we clean and filter and everything our filtration system , but for our drinking water we tend to get water delivered . We try to get like a Poland spring water just delivered . And so they've started to put this thing on your app where they say tip your driver . And I'm like you know who owns Poland spring Nestle ?

That is a multinational conglomerate , and you want me to take my harder and you tip my fucking driver . Why are you out of your mind ? No , it's , but I'm supposed to now look at this guy and go hey , thanks , I , you know , have a good day . And he goes yeah , thanks for the tip . Asshole , I'm like you're fomenting .

I don't know if he's saying that , you know what I mean , but maybe somebody feels the pressure to do it and then I'm the only one on the street that doesn't tip and he's like but I'm like , you know , you're fomenting like class infighting when you are a multi-billion trillion dollar corporation .

I looked up the other day the things that Nestle owns and it would like your jaw would drop Like what they own , the silos of the industries that they own , and they want me to tip their driver .

But I feel it is outrageous for me to bring a bag of chips and a Coke to a counter , have the person tell me what that's going to cost me and then turn me this thing that says you know how much of a tip do you want to leave ? None , like it's not that I don't believe in being good to people , but like what is going on here ? Did you bake the ?

So now , if you work a job , you make minimum wage , which in Chicago is about $15 an hour right now . And people all over Twitter are saying this is going to cost customers more , that we're going to have to pay more and that servers will get paid less . And I'm arguing with people online that I shouldn't be pointing out . It cannot be both .

We could say that it's one or the other , but it literally cannot be both , unless somebody is stealing from both of us . Like if you , as the customer , are paying more for a burger and less for the tip , you should be paying the same amount . If they charge you more than you would have paid with the tip , they're stealing from you , that's gouging .

If the server is getting paid less because they're getting tipped less , then the owner of the restaurant is taking money from them and not paying them what they should have been paid or what they should be getting paid .

If we are increasing one thing , the only person that should be seeing less of that is the owner , because it should always be that the person with the most pays the most , and instead we are fighting with each other , even though I'm going to keep tipping and I want everybody to get paid more , and waffle house employees deserve more and the Nestle delivery guy

deserves more . And everybody except for the billionaires deserves more , and somehow we are getting pissed at each other about tips .

It's different when it doesn't change the fact that you want to be kind , but it's like whoa , whoa , whoa , whoa . Well , you're a multi-billionaire , billion-dollar corporation . You first be kind and you know like . You first Like . We have a limited supply of everybody's pinched for money right now .

And what happens is it's not as if those who give more don't pay taxes . It's not as if those who give more get a break on their rent or their mortgage , but it's an unfair burden and where your kindness is leveraged against you .

The people that have been wounded in the name of protecting our country and they are so often forgotten and it's like they're used up , like , oh , it feels like and I wish that this wasn't the case , but it feels like a professional lie that everybody accepts is the truth and it's almost kind of funny Like , oh , you know what , sign up for the army .

We really love you , thank you for your service , but as soon as you're of no use to us , we're going to fuck you as hard as possible . We're going to restrict . I'm like these people should be living like kings . They should be best of everything . They should just be taken care of and I support that .

Do I support sending military incursions into whatever ? I don't want to put Americans or anybody else in harm's way . I don't want to put anybody in . I don't want Russians in harm's way , and we're in a proxy war with Russia right now . I don't want . Young Russians are the same as young Americans , young Chinese soldiers it's not there , it doesn't matter .

There are all human beings that are being led down a bad road by , you know , in the name of geopolitical events , and you just go . Oh , my god , the human element is excruciating . So I just want to make sure we're clear like no , thank you for that .

It's not like , yeah , you know what I mean , we're not yeah , we just our heart goes out to the end and it's like these are not throwaways , these are human beings , like . Treat them with respect . It makes me create , it makes me , you know , I can hear my voice wavering , but it makes me crazy . So , anyway , ok , this is it we're at the moment .

Yeah , that's nice . Where boss , what's the song that comes on now ? It is . She said what you think , and Sarge , and Sarge has second chances . And now we cut to like a pharmacy . God , it's God . Awful fluorescent Joe versus the volcano style lighting . It's just terrible , terrible fluorescent lighting . And what's the song that plays , boss ?

I mean , what a specific and oddly heartwarming and I don't just say it because they're feminine products or whatever , like anything of this sort , but it's I don't know , it's like interestingly intimate , as I've found a lot of their relationship .

This is a key element of the scene . What happens here , coach , walk us through that .

I'm making it clear , I'm going to do anything I can to take care of you and right now it's buying this for you and we'll take it from here and you can see on her face .

Wayne left her in that fucking bathroom for an hour , which would have made me lose my goddamn mind , oh yeah . But also he hadn't proven to her that he would be willing to show off . Now that he has done it a little bit , she is not backing away or pushing away Like she's into it . She's good . That's a good point .

He has actually stepped up to show that he will be there for her in the future . I think now she does trust him .

Point to my experience and so on . Point to work I've had to do . But can it be both ? Like I've literally been going through an EMDR session and having to sort out that ? Like I got to tell my little kid and me actually I can't really promise you everything's going to be all right .

And she is smiling because she's like I am unfamiliar with this type of gesture and begrudgingly because she's a hard ass , she's a tough cookie and somehow this weird head banging music listening to like psycho that takes punches like she's never seen but bites her dad's nose , he's getting under her skin in a way nobody ever has and it's young and it's innocent

and it's earnest and also clouded with a lot of pain on both sides . So it's just a lot cooking here .

Yes , I do want to point out how monochromatic this whole is . I'm obsessed with color , apparently everywhere I go , but you'll see that when she comes back out of the bathroom she provides the only color in the shot and I do think that's intentional .

And I love one thing that you said I don't know which one of you said it , but when you're referring to this is this story , this is what she would do . You know what I mean and it's like I really appreciate .

You know , when we're talking about shows like this is when Sean Simmons creates this show and he writes this show , right , he's telling this particular story .

Maybe that story doesn't relate to you , but like he is telling the story of these people and it is unique and personal and like it's got so much honesty to it it just doesn't feel like the bullshit that you see elsewhere .

It has these sort of very , very key , personal like this guy couldn't buy a tampon in three different stores hours ago , right , and they've had this like near death experience and he's reevaluated and now he's not only handing them over like you know , trying to buy all of them , but handing them over , making this gesture and then and then like accompanying her to

the bathroom where he can like almost make good for that shit . This is the thing I should have done in the first six hours ago . Yeah , you know what I mean . Eight hours or whatever . However much time is transpired , we're still slow motion as he walks away . And now , boss , walk us through this next part , because we're now in the bathroom with Dell .

We sort of pivot down . This is a study cam shot . That sort of settles drops onto her and it's just her in frame . And what's going on here ?

Especially as I've gotten older , I have realized that the extent to which something could just be touching sometimes makes you cry when you don't quite understand it , like when I go to the national show and I have to cry , which I have to do every fucking time . It isn't that I'm sad , it is just a level of emotionality that causes a physical reaction .

A very American idea that crying is a bad thing is one I hate more than anything else . Like literally , it is a physical response to things happening . If somebody were like oh my God , you peed gross weird , you're like well . I drank water . What do you want me to do ? I experienced the world . Do you think I'm going to do that and not cry ?

Give me a fucking break . But as she is finishing her crying , she stands up and she starts unloading from the pockets of his jacket that she is still wearing all the stuff that she's apparently taken . And I didn't take that to mean that I don't think that she thought oh , I used to be bad and I used to steal , and now I'm not going to do that anymore .

It was . He doesn't want me to steal , he is trying , so I'm going to try also .

Has anyone hurt her feelings and then done something to make it clear that they were sorry that they hurt her feelings and that they were going to try to do better going forward ? I feel like there's a non-zero chance that this is a wholly new experience for her , like a whole cloth .

So for me , when she put the stuff down with everything you just said , I wondered if , not consciously , but on some level , taking stuff was an attempt to fill a certain hole and that there's a little bit of hope now that there's another way to fill it .

I hate saying that , but that it changes who you are as a person . I don't think it does . I think that Dell has always had in her an ability to let people affect her when they don't seem like assholes . When Tracy did not seem like an asshole , dell was willing to get along with her .

When Wayne was able to show up for her , she was able to take that . It has not been that she doesn't have an understanding of how people are good and nice to each other . It's more so that that is not applicable to her in most of her life .

The idea that if a therapist told her before she'd met Wayne , before she ran away , you should just be more trusting of people , she'd be like the fuck are you talking about ? My dad is going to steal my money and he's going to call me names and my brothers are going to be assholes . I fucking can't trust them . I liked so much that they were showing us .

She is still entirely herself , but she has always been able to be open when it was safe and good for her . I think that this is just her becoming more of herself than anything .

I'm like I don't know if Wayne plays into this , maybe as far as what he wants , I think would rub her the wrong way . She's like no , you don't get to fucking tell . That , I think is more actual , delt , but she is mindful that he's willing to change . It's like rising to the challenge to meet that effort .

Yes , she knows somewhere in there , exactly where you're saying , she knows who she is on the inside , she knows what this is , she wants to be , she wants to look at herself in a way that merits that sort of what she's seeing , the growth she's seeing in him .

In this short period of time , nobody changes for her , nobody , yes , and this is a person , for the first time in her life , that is changing independently of anything else , uniquely for her and to her , and making an effort to do that .

And she's like I think something inside of her is like I want to also do that , because she wasn't just crying , she also seemed relieved in a weird way . She had like just smiling and laughing and laughing , but like in a really pained way . It's like this poor girl my God , I love her so much .

It just the emotion that she and I'm like , oh God , like this bathroom is like ground zero for shit that good parents would have to work out .

These guys have had to just kind of fumble through the darkness and this feels like a quantum change for her to see somebody doing this with her in mind and so , yeah , it's amazing , it's powerful . Again , no dialogue , but she leaves it behind . It's even the symbolism of , like Wayne taking the tampons to hand them to he wants to be the one to hand them .

The symbolism of her taking the stuff out of the pockets to leave them to do , abandon that and move on from them . You know these are choices . People thought of this . This was not arbitrary . The writers thought about this . Sean Simmins thought about this . That she walks out again wearing the jacket that she mocked him for wearing .

What the fuck even are you ? No , she's , she's wearing it . She walks out . It's again slow motion . We stay with her . It's that exactly what coach says , monochromatic , except she's the only thing in green it is . So it's such a you know again what a trick to make this back aisle of a faceless , nameless pharmacy .

Hell , right , like hellscape , is actually this beautiful place where something special happened for these two and he's got , wow , like Jesus Christ , for me , I , you go as a filmmaker , you go like holy fuck man , like this is where you just go up to this the crew and the cast and you just like , um , you know , they spend millions of millions of dollars on TV

and film all the time with budgets that make this thing look like a shoebox joke , and they cannot give you even an iota , even a scratch of this type of chemistry and connectivity and and and the ability to move this plot along in a subtle way like this . So it is just like a slow clap kind of moment . We pivot .

It's not quite subjective camera , it's not quite from Dell's point of view , but it is from Dell's angle . As we see , wayne is is waiting for her . He's not outside the store , right , and this is a conscious choice , don't you guys ?

He's leaning on a shelf a little bit . You know he's , he's pensive , he's sort of sort of you know he's engrossed in this , but there's no threat about him . You know there's no like he's got that protector instinct , but like , for one brief moment it's almost like a little kid reading a , reading a book in bed , like it just has that vibe to it .

And the Dell walks out and sees him reading this and she approaches him , the camera . Well , the camera is pushing in on both of them independently to ramp up the tension and add to the music . And then we push in on Wayne , push in on Dell . They're looking at each other and there's this again , no words , like wordlessly , and for like two or three beats .

These are camera movements where they they maintain sort of this it's not , it's , it's definitely this . God , what's , what's the ? What's the look on their face , guys . It is , it is not . They're not committed in either way to an emotion .

Yeah in this moment you know what I'm saying Like there's this very middle ground sort of facial expression on both of them . She's she's clearly had a moment , he's clearly been engrossed in the thing . They look up at each other , there's eye contact , there's like a real connection between them , but like there's no , they're not smiling or anything like that .

There's not , you know , I mean for several beats .

I think he looks up and he doesn't have anything to react to right now . He's just looking at her and she's just looking at him and they're just being in that moment . We're usually accustomed to people doing shit , so I think , when we just watch people be together , that it feels like , oh , what's anybody going to do ? What's going to happen ?

It's like nothing's going to happen . They're just having this moment , each with their feelings about it .

This is like when you walk into a party and are able to spot your friend , the person who you were invited to this party because of , and then , once they know that you are there , your eyes meet across the room , even if it's not a romantic or a sexual thing . You find the person across the room and you're like , oh , there you are .

This is more what it felt like . Maybe he heard the door shut , but what he knew was she is now here and she was noticing he is here also .

I love those moments , by the way , where you're like , oh , there's my person across the room , or sometimes it's even like the walk by you and you'll do something like surreptitiously , like you'll just bump elbows or something . You know what I mean . It's just like some stupid little thing , where you're like , yep , I can't .

I can't even tell you how many times I've been to a place , especially when I lived in LA , where coach would be in the room and I'd say I would be like I walk by him and it's it , one bump , one little thing , and he'd be in the middle of one of his grand soliloquies , dying on the inside apparently now I know , but going like hey , blah , blah , blah ,

blah , and it seemed like there would be like the tiniest glimmer of recognition and , like you know , he's like , oh , there's my guy , like boom , then it's it , and it's a beautiful moment . And so , yeah , they're really in each other's space or just present with each other in this moment . And the camera is doing a lot of work . I'm not going to lie .

Oh , yeah , for sure it is . It is a choice camera wise , but it's beautiful and listen . I just want to . Sometimes we point out why things work . But I want to point out how this wouldn't work with a lesser director , with a lesser crew , with a lesser cast . What if he winked , or something ?

What if you see him say I know , I'm saying people would choose that Like , you know , like what if she , like , threw her head back and laughed , or something ? And you'd be like , wait what ? You see , it's so fragile , you know what I mean ?

It's so fragile to keep this amount of emotion in the scene and keep the air in it while you have all these camera moves and it's just masterful . I keep , I keep rewinding it and watching it here and I'm like , oh my God , it's so beautiful .

And then , finally , once we've had that connectivity , once we've had those moments together where they kind of they're just looking at each other , and then , finally , when we get just tight enough , you see that , oh my God , god , I'm just watching this Is the Glip Boss . Come look at this , the tiniest number .

But when he is looking up over like that , look where it's you're almost looking up at the other person . Eyes are up at them . Whatever this is is fucking working . He is doing it well and a little smirk at the end not even a smirk , but just like a tiny little , tiny flick . Yes , the tiny twitch of a smile . Yeah , he is a .

Because I had the sense , dear God , he is a beaut , he is a really good actor , he is , he is totally owning this part . And then she just keeps , keeps up with him the whole , like you just go , oh my gosh , she's . She's every bit as winning and charming and capable .

She's so competent , just the ability to to move mountains with tiny movements of your face . You go , jesus H Christ , she is a super . These two are unbelievable . So we have this moment . He starts it with a little smile , she responds and and that is that's it . We get it , we get a shot , we get the , the smash screen of Wayne and that is it .

That is , we are done with Wayne , episode two . No priests , holy , holy . I love it so much . I can't eat . I eat it's , it's just yeah , I get so excited about it . I'm so happy that you guys are watching this with me . One of the true joys of this is watching with coach .

He makes little noises and every time he does , you know , you'd say like it's not like a hamster making a noise or something , and it's not like he'll just be like you'll see something and he'll hear , like a little like .

Our next episode of Wayne will be season one , episode three . Chapter three , which is entitled , is literally called chapter three the goddamn beacon of truth . Oh , that is the title of the episode , all right .

Word of mouth is how we get almost all of our traffic , because we don't know shit about marketing . I mean , maybe you guys do , but I know nothing Less than nothing . I want to spend my time talking about these shows and not being out there . You know promoting things when I'm terrible at it , so really tell a friend if you think they would enjoy it .

We have a bunch of shows we're going to do together . Wayne , is this version right now ? There's only 10 episodes . We will blast through them , lickety split , and then we'll be on to the next one , and so with that we remain .