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Wayne | S1 Ep2 Part2 "No Priests"

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Ted Lasso Talk

Speaker 1

Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk , the Tedcast . Welcome all Greyhound fans , welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world . It's the lasso way around these parts with Coach , coach and Boss , without further ado , coach Castleton .

Speaker 3

Okay , welcome back , beautiful people . Hello to all our Butter Cups and all our listeners around the world . Today we are exploring Wayne , episode 2 . No , priests , this is part 2 of our continuing deep dive into Wayne . I am your host , coach Castleton . With me , as always , is Coach Bishop .

Speaker 4

Bite noses and take in names .

Speaker 3

I love it , I love it and , of course , with Coach and I is our Boss , emily Chambers .

Speaker 2

Your Boss , emily Chambers , fresh off of Winefest . I ended up not going to Riotfest because by the time I tried to get one of the tickets , they were like oh , do you just want a three day pass for $300 ? I'm like I don't . I want to go to one show for one hour and listen to one band play one album and I would like to pay $80 for that .

I do not want to pay $335 for that , thank you .

Speaker 4

Seems reasonable on your part .

Speaker 3

I thought so I'm trying to factor in , like the Venn diagram of what percentage of someone's like disposable income slash free time goes , if you're like , what percentage of that goes to something with the suffix Fest on it at the end , as opposed to because I was like trying to think once you have kids you're like I won't be festing for a while , like there

will be no festing .

Speaker 4

Right .

Speaker 3

Coach yeah , do you do any ? Any uh ?

Speaker 4

Yeah , that's a good point . The time allotment that I think generally would go along with any sort of Fest is a lot to ask once you're juggling all those things .

Speaker 2

Yeah that's a good point . See , I think you're forgetting where I live exactly , which is a bougie , your neighborhood on the north side of Chicago . I've mentioned that . I'm right on the cusp of . I live in a very reasonably priced apartment compared with the bougie or houses down the street from me .

But that does mean our little neighborhood community center type thing has May Fest , october Fest , apple Fest . There is summer Fest up in Milwaukee that sometimes you go to . That is where I saw Huey Lewis and the news when I was three is my first concert .

So like there's a lot of festing that happens in this particular very white neighborhood , it may fest for some reason happens in April and October Fest happens in September . So you got it . You can't sleep on it . You got to stay up and make sure that you get that , but you can .

Oh , also , there are three different farmers markets in my neighborhood each week . Three fucking three Each week . I don't know how I ended up here . Each week , tuesday morning , thursday afternoon , saturday morning , every fucking every week , from May through October . Wow , wow , I really like farmers markets .

Speaker 3

I'd like okay . So I lived in Athens for a year and there was a the farmers would bring there . The farmers market was just like a I don't know how to describe it . It wasn't like your quaint sort of American , like like sort of you talk about the word bougie upper middle class sort of organic .

So what it would be was I had this apartment in Athens and then I would think I'm hungry and rather than have to go to a supermarket or look in my fridge , I'd literally walk down down to the bottom of my building and maybe not even half a block away , and there's just farmers who , just who , had just picked everything that morning and they're real for their

. It's like that's what a farm . You know what I mean . It's not like , oh , I'm going to make this you know whole oat , uncracked wheat thing , this loaf of bread , and sell it to you for $49.99 . You know what I mean . So , like I'm saying I don't , it sounds like I'm impugning farmers markets , but the thing is I love them , I truly love them .

But then when I go to them , I'm like . I'm always like , maybe just by virtue of being a parent and knowing how far your money has to go . I'm like , oh man , like boy , that's a lot for that little slab of cheese . I'm sure it's delicious , but like 2750 .

Speaker 4

Well .

Speaker 3

I can eat that in a bite you know Part of it , I think .

Speaker 4

Then too becomes this is how we end up with well , people should be eating better . It's like it's not all that economical to eat . Great Like . You know what I mean . Oh no , this is like fully proven . Yeah , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 3

The lower income you are , the worse you eat Like . That's why fast food is the cheapest , and all this stuff .

Speaker 4

It keeps you full for hours and hours , and hours . So it's actually like not a quote , unquote bad decision in the moment . Just , you know you're going to die younger , which seems fucked up , but yeah .

Speaker 2

But also less expensive . But seriously yeah .

Speaker 4

Yeah .

Speaker 2

Living shorter doesn't cost you as much , oh that's funny .

Speaker 4

I thought you were still talking about the food . I Nope , that is so dark , like it wasn't even really a joke , really . So listen , I did it . I ran the numbers . An extra 15 years of life is just not in the cards for us , so we're going to have to .

Speaker 2

I mean like this is why I planned my retirement only to age 80 , because that's when I'm going out with the cheese croissants . That's when I'm cashing out . I like it . I only need to survive until 80 .

Speaker 4

I kind of love it . I kind of love it .

Speaker 3

Okay , on that fatalistic note , we're going to jump right in . We have a lot to cover today . We left Wayne last time . We did a lot of setup last time for very , very little screen time , so we're going to blast at a much more rapid pace today . I say that and then I'm sure we'll get through eight minutes .

But when we left off , dell was having an emergency in the bathroom . She asked Wayne , we've got our tampons . You know what those are ? Yeah , I know what they are . But she's like go . That's the exact line we both loved . Boss , go across the store , go across the store , go across the store and buy me some .

And these are my pants and they look like a fucking Saw movie . Oh , for shit's sake , wayne , just go . Okay . So we cut to Wayne . Who is ? We have some rock music playing . He goes into the first store , he goes across the store and who is there at the tampon section ? Boss ?

Speaker 2

At the first store , two women girls , younger-ish , both looking at feminine products , or I should actually probably say menstrual products is the more accurate term at this point and so he has to immediately leave .

Speaker 3

This turns around and goes . And what is that , coach ? What is the thing where boys slash ? Men feel uncomfortable buying products that are meant for women's periods .

Speaker 4

Well , yeah , I think , generally speaking , it's like don't know and don't want to know seems to be the at least assumed or prevailing attitude . So certainly needing to be in front of people and engage and buy is a lot for Wayne and maybe for a lot of guys out there in the world .

Speaker 3

I like the . We always talk about how when you start a relationship it's all wine and roses and everyone's really excited . And then when you end a relationship , it tends to be acrimony and hostility and frustration and regret and anger .

And we often talk about how , boy , wouldn't it be nice to uncouple properly and consciously and sort of really think about what you're doing and make it less acrimonious ? There's a beat in this .

Right before right , when Dell asked Wayne to go grab some tampons , he turns around and gets this really pained expression on his face , like he's going to protest or be like I don't . And she's like , just go right . And it's like part of it is the beauty of like .

Oh , I didn't know that when I stormed up into her room and zenithed her brothers , that like part of the deal was now I'm the first line of defense in the tampon emergency department , right , and people just don't think about all of the things that go into . You know the complicated dynamics that make up a relationship . So Wayne walks in , he peeks right away .

There's some girls at the family , literally labeled feminine products . He turns around and he busts a move and then we go to the next place . He's looking at them and then there's the , there's this . I love this , the ever . This actor is like this ghoulish sort of goth chick . He's like a dark cool , like full I fully like blacked out eye makeup .

And Wayne turns away from the , from the tampons and the pads , and just grabs whatever's behind him . And what happens to me behind him is the family planning department and he just he doesn't go for the Trojans and the Durak's condoms . What does he pick up , coach ? He picks up Lou .

Yeah , he picks up Lou , big bottle , lou , like the kind with the dispenser top , so that you like this , the squirt top . So easy , easy , lou back and the and the , the goth sort of teller , she . What does she say to him , boss , as she sees him sort of perusing the Lou section ?

Speaker 2

But that's her favorite kind .

It's her favorite kind of yeah , and there's something about this that I love so much that he was embarrassed by needing to be looking at the menstrual products , so immediately turns around to look at the sex products instead , because those are either less embarrassed he probably didn't even realize , but he's like I can't look at this , so I have to look at this .

The sex products presumably would be less embarrassing . She doesn't seem to be embarrassed at all . She's like oh yeah , that's my favorite Lou . It reminded me a lot of one of my five closest friends , one of them .

For a period of time she and her husband had a bottle of Lou in the bathroom the guest bathroom at their place and anytime that anybody would go in there she would say oh , just in case , the bottle of Lou is because their dog had some sort of like weird intestinal thing that dogs get and so they had to give him a suppository .

So he had to put a finger in his butt and the Lou was in order to help that . So she's like don't worry , it's nothing weird , it's just that my husband and I have at different times needed to stick our hands up our dog's butt .

So this is less embarrassing than my husband and I have sex and sometimes use this , and I actually pointed that out to her one of the last times we hung out . Everybody was laughing about it , but I was like that In American society that's way more normal Like , oh no , no , no , don't think it's weird .

I'm not having sex with the person I'm married to , I'm just sticking a finger in my dog's butt , that's it .

Speaker 4

Yeah , I'm sort of glad you didn't take us Coach is like yes .

Speaker 1

And this is a real tough yes , and for coach right here .

Speaker 4

No , no , no , no , no , because the whole time as I was thinking about this sequence , I was like we really do , and I bet there's some of this that is actually tied to us first keeping ourselves alive and somewhat healthy in terms of our relationship to bodily functions and not wanting to be like just the aversion part around that .

Sometimes I think it goes to an unhealthy place , but I get it . But it is weird the even those commercials that came out with women who were like and I poop , or I blah , blah , blah . I think literally there is no human being for whom this is not , on some level , true . How is it that it's become such a like ? Never discuss it , never acknowledge it ?

Speaker 3

Yeah , it's taboo , taboo , baby Part of life . Yeah Well , listen , the lube is something . I can understand it , because if you're not well versed in the world of lube , like I am , if you're not like , literally just a total lube connoisseur , the weirdest flex ever I have .

Actually , I don't think of a robot lube , but I know that , like friends of mine are , be like , oh , they're very . They'll talk about women who are post-matter puzzle . They'll be like , oh , it sucks to , you know , because you're like admitting defeat , like , oh shit , my body's letting me know . And then they're the ones that you know .

We obviously were like what the you know it's , it's so frustrating , but it's the society we live in , where it's like clearly that's not defeat , clearly that's literal biology . And so then you're making the best .

Or for a younger person it could be like oh , I'm going to give , I'm going to give , you know , anal beads of world or something you know like whatever . And so there's there are there because of the Judeo-Christian ethic that sort of permeates many of the the sort of corners of our society .

You get some people feeling like they're being naughty when they are not decidedly they can do whatever the fuck they want with their bodies and they can buy whatever the hell they want . Especially in a like in a hyper post capitalist nightmare society , at least we should have the right to buy whatever the hell we want that isn't harming anybody else .

So I'm careful to put that stipulation on there because I don't want to hear from the people like I love my AR-15 . Anyway , I just thought it was cute . Wayne is very shy . He's such a boy I also love . I want to point out I think there's something I'm missing and I'm going to do a little deep dive on this .

So something I really love is the sort of zombie-esque cashier and this . I feel like this . This is ubiquitous across cinema and TV . I keep seeing versions of this , like this girl when she says I like the loop . Did you catch her ? Like monotone delivery , boss , and that really bleached out , like washed out color , like the lighting . This is super washed out .

It reminded me there's a cashier in hot fuzz who can I help you Like ? It's just like this , totally like I'm like . What is that ? There must be an origin story for this that I'm missing out on , but I want to look back into it . If the buttercups know or our listeners know , please hit us up with answers .

But I keep seeing it in different places and I kind of love it because it's sort of as a commentary on the drudgery of like this type of vocation . But I thought this was an interesting little beat here .

Speaker 2

It feels sort of like New Millennium , daria the MTX yes , of course , dana , daria and Jane very monotone , very

Emo Magician and First-Time Condom Purchase

. We don't really care about things , but we care about some things extremely deeply . I could see that and also like just goth and emo seemed . I was at my sister's house and my niece was watching a terrible show and I said what's this guy ? What is he doing ? Who's this guy ? And she was like , oh , he's an evil magician .

And I was like , well , yeah , I know about magicians , like I know about David Blaine . Obviously he's going to be evil , that goes without saying .

Speaker 3

Sure , that's redundant .

Speaker 2

She was like yeah , come on . And she was like no , not an evil magician , an emo magician . Emo is when you have like your hair off to the side , and you were , and I was like I'm going to stop you right there . Because I need .

I need you to understand that you explaining emo to me is me explaining to you what it's like to be a beautiful blonde haired girl in the suburbs . Like I understand , we do not need to know from emo . Come on , you like . I was there when dashboard came out . I was saying that shit and I meant it . It's like what are you fucking talking about ?

Speaker 3

I love it .

Speaker 2

I love it . So this is apparently just a part , like in the way she's apparently entered the mainstream . Who's church ? Who's church ? Who is church anyway ? What do you mean ? Dashboard , dashboard , what ? And then I had to cry , because that's what you do when you're doing that .

Speaker 3

That's dashboard confessional , in case you may not know . Yeah , it's not the most paradise by the dashboard . It's a totally different generation Dashboard .

Speaker 4

Yeah , right down .

Speaker 3

Make a note . I also want to point out that the person who was very , very comfortable with the lube is a fringy looking . It's someone who dresses like a fringy outsider and I like it and I'm like , oh , good for it . She's like that is my preferred lube or whatever . I'm like , well , that's good . Which means she tried other lubes and I'm like that's good .

This is what we need more of . We need like that healthy , healthy body image and say like that's she's good at healthy appetites , nothing wrong with it . Right ? You don't have to answer to St Peter , coach , every time you go to the CVS to get yourself a thing .

Speaker 4

Coach the first time you bought the first time . Oh , go ahead . You asked me because I was going to tell a story , but you don't ask me ?

Speaker 3

Were you going to say the first time I was going to talk about , the very first time I bought prophylactics ?

Speaker 4

Yes , I have a good one on that one , actually . So we're headed back from football practice , this girl , this situation looks like things might be going in a very you know 80s Teen comedy direction . I'm ready for it , and so we go . My buddy , it's this pharmacy .

Speaker 3

It looks like it's going in an 80s teen comedy direction . God damn , that's a good direction , that's a great direction .

Speaker 4

Right , right . And so we go into this fucking pharmacy and you know , my buddy and I are heading home from football practice . So I've told him until now we're on our mission to go get these condos . And so I go , we go in and I ask the guy behind the counter I'm like can I get some condos ? Almost on cue , because we're in an 80s comedy .

These two women come in Now I'm sure they were actually like 19 year olds , but to me it was like oh dear God , oh dear God , oh dear God .

Embarrassing Condom Purchase and Cultural Differences

I kind of do the like , hey , I can get some condos and the dude goes lubricated or un-lubricated . I was like holy shit , like when that Chuck Berry record gets to the aliens , it will be the second thing they heard from Earth . The first will be lubricated . I love it . It was so goddamn loud and it was like will you shut the fuck up ?

Speaker 1

What is happening in this store right now , oh my God .

Speaker 4

And I still like I will never forget just the horror embarrassment , like if you want to signal that maybe it's not your time yet for the condom usage and what goes along with it . Maybe it's that you are that embarrassed at anyone else in the store knowing that that's what you're buying . I was please Earth open , swallow me whole . Let's just call it a life .

This is horrible . So there you go . That's my 80s comedy story .

Speaker 2

So my turn of the millennium story . When I was a junior in college , I lived with two other women and two men five of us in a house . We had a house party . One of my female roommates and I went with our other female roommates boyfriend so me and a woman and a man , but we're all just friends .

Before the this house party , we threw went to like Walgreens or CVS or something down the street , and our buddy , who is dating a woman , needed condoms because they regularly have sex , so he gets those .

And my roommate needed film for her video camera because that's how we used to take videos back in the day , and I , being a smoker , wanted to have cigarettes . And so the three of us walked up to the counter together and as we're putting our stuff down , we're like oh , it's going to be one hell of a party , yeah .

I was like this isn't exactly what it looks like , but I can't explain . So that's just give the woman the $20 and we got to go .

Speaker 4

I love it . That's great .

Speaker 3

There's a thing when you're young and you're buying these but I don't know how this for women , but for me and most of my friends it was like have you heard the term glass frog ? A phenomenon of psychology called the glass frog . It is when you feel like people can see what's inside of you , like if you've done something wrong .

You're like a glass frog , like everyone's going to know that I'm going to buy , that I'm buying condoms and I'm with that . You know , my girlfriend , and maybe we're going to try tonight . Everyone's going to think , oh , he's going to try tonight . Like you know , it's a byproduct of . It's a very common phenomenon .

Sometimes it's attributed to childhood trauma , but in general it can be daunting , especially right out of the gate , especially when you feel like you're not like your first time doing anything .

You know I have a hard time breaking the ice the first time I do anything , whenever we sort of runs in the family and I feel like I identified it a while ago and it's like okay , the first time I do it , the first time I walk into a PTA meeting , I don't know who's in there .

I don't know where to sit , I don't know if I have any friends in there . I don't know . You know , like , like . So I get right after a crazy anxiety , I get like coach and buttercup level anxiety and then I just go . I got to get through this one thing .

Once I walk through that door , like 75% of the time everything's gonna be all right , 25% of the time it's more of a disaster . So you know that's a possibility and you just whatever . But so when you buy a condom for my first time , I felt like last frog . I didn't know that term at the time , but I felt that way .

But also , I didn't have a ton of money . I had been . I had been . I had been picked out of a bouquet of flowers by an older girl who decided that I was going to be her whatever boyfriend . And she was worldwide and pretty and cool and I ended up being like Marco Polo for my friends , like , like , like .

They're like , like you know , the first one to cross the circumnavigation , navigate , you know the body of a young co-ed . So you know it's like , you know it was crazy . So all this like pressure on me and I went in . I'm like , okay , I got my condoms , but I didn't have a ton of money . So you're like , I can't just buy condoms .

So like you're like , okay , I'll get a Snickers bar and like maybe I'll get like an air freshener for my car it's so lame , whatever . And you think like coach is laughing , coach , why unclick your mic ? So people know I'm not like alone . I already feel I'm getting like a little trauma from rehashing it .

Speaker 4

I know exactly the feeling that you're like oh yeah , I'm going to normalize this . Yeah , I'm a normal yeah .

Speaker 3

She won't even notice or they won't even know . You don't know if you're going to be a man or a woman . You hope , at least for me . I was like I hope I get a dude . No , it was like an old lady and so I'm like , yeah , of course , but like it's ridiculous . We know now . No , they don't care , they don't care , You're not on their radar .

I was because I did the thing . I'm dying . I was like fighting off nerves . This is like back before credit card machines , so it's like you have to actually hand people something and whatever .

And then I get the bag and walking out and I went to go pick up the Snickers bar to eat it and I dropped it and it kind of bounced a little bit like under this thing . So I went down low and went to grab the Snickers bar . As I said that the old lady who had checked me out thought I was gone .

I went to her coworker and goes somebody's going to do some fucking . Oh , no , phenomenal . Like I basically grabbed the Snickers bar and like like duck squatted out of the thing . You can't stand up in that right . Right , I just basically magically did some fucking so good time . Anyway , this is where the root of this is for Wayne , that was my favorite .

Now he goes to a different place and on the way into the next place this is a dynamic . He's walking on the sidewalk it's like any town in New England kind of thing and there's this dude sitting on a Huffy . As I say , huffy , I don't know , I don't know bikes , but I'm sure it's a nice bike and but it's this .

I feel like I either know this actor that's sitting on the Huffy or I know his cousin . He looks really familiar to me . I feel like I've seen a hundred of him in my life . Like I feel like when they made the human mold , they made this one mold and then it was very prevalent .

They just made a lot of whatever this dude is , because he looks just really familiar to me . But he makes eye contact with Wayne and I remember saying , when I first moved to California , it was so pleasant because they do this thing where they look at each other .

I don't know why this is , but and I talk about how , in New England , up in Boston , massachusetts , the meanest , hardest people in the whole world have traveled around the world . There is a thing where and I know this is where , where coach grew up , in Flatbush and things like that you make eye contact with another guy . It is like a .

It is like you're going to make eye contact , but it's also like there's this front of hardness that you have to put up , where it's like like what the fuck are you looking at , bro ?

Speaker 4

Like yeah , yeah , yeah .

Speaker 3

And so the first time I moved , when I moved to California , I remember being on the street , walking down the street Melrose I think it was probably because right by where our friend had a house on Gardner there and and I walk in on Melrose and I make eye contact with this kind of like I don't know .

This guy had much taller than me , looked like he was kind of jacked , kind of a kind of skatery dread hair and I make normal Boston style hard ass eye contact with him and he looks , makes , looks me right in the audience . What's that man ? I was like what ? What I was like what just happened , like that's what happens here .

You don't have to like always be on the edge , the cusp of violence at all times .

Speaker 4

Yeah , yeah , when I got to college I forget who I asked , but I did ask the question what the fuck is everybody smiling at ? That was an actual thing , right , because I was like what , I don't know you , you smile , what are you like ?

Speaker 3

Well , they were all going to Yale coach . I don't know if I can fill that blank . You know what we ?

Speaker 4

all are going to . I don't even just thought that shit today .

Speaker 3

You're such sorry coach . Yes , yes , oh , my time in New Haven , oh my God , you guys are such a jerk . You guys are such a jerk . But , yes , no , no , seriously , I know exactly what you're saying . And listen , this is a purr for those who don't know . This little beat with Wayne on the street . He walks by a guy .

They don't know each other , they don't have anything , they have nothing to do with each other . They're just two men full of the toxic hormone of testosterone , which controls far too much of a young man's thoughts and deeds . And you see that they just quickly make eye contact with them .

But , coach , just based on that eye contact , what is the status of these two ? Based on the eye contact , what would you say the status of these two is ?

Speaker 4

They could be in a fight any minute , any minute , any minute . Yeah , it's crazy , it's insanity . It's insane . By the way , I think I mentioned this already , but I'm watching and I'm gonna fuck up the name of it . I think it's called Chimp Kingdom , but I will Google it while I'm , but it's on Netflix .

I've watched three of the four episodes , very excited to see how things play out for Jackson , who's our alpha . Yes , go ahead , go ahead , go ahead , boss .

Speaker 2

Chimp .

Speaker 4

Empire . It looks like there we go , but it's fascinating . But it is startling to me Daphne and I had a good laugh

Understanding Chimp Behavior and Gender Roles

about this . It is startling to me how much I feel I get the behavior of these chimps Like fundamentally get it . Like I'm like , oh yeah , like you can't have that , I'm gonna fucking swing it through the trees , like what are you ? What are you a fucking tough guy ? Like I get it . Like I get it . I'm like that's very sad .

That chimp behavior makes so much sense to me . So , yeah , that's where they are . They're like what are you doing in my territory ? You know , go grab your monkeys somewhere else .

Speaker 3

Yeah , no , it's really basic and it's crazy . It's crazy . You talk about the root of toxic masculinity and a big part of it is we don't teach boys what to do with that , with that energy we do not teach . For sure , if we're successful , we can partially channel it into sports .

That's it , because at least sports have the violence that makes the testosterone sated for a short time . But yeah , we don't teach anybody how to do . We don't teach masturbation enough . It should be like fucking . It should be as common as it should be . It should be like taught everywhere . Like here's what you got to do , friend , you know what I mean .

Like you look like you're a man who needs a release . I mean , if you talk about like how they recruit for jihadists and the things that are promised , it's all rooted in that sort of part of the brain . And but , poor boss , he's just looking at me . What is it , boss ?

Speaker 2

No , no , actually I was only thinking that I don't know if it's that we don't teach them how to channel that energy into something productive or if we teach them to channel all of their energy specifically into that , because women aren't naturally nonviolent . That isn't a thing I have seen little girls play like .

They are not any less rough or willing to like get down and wrestle than little boys are . But we constantly beat that out of them , either emotionally or , unfortunately , sometimes literally . And we teach you how to be a mean girl , not how to be a tough guy .

And so I think that to say that it's like I don't think that boys are inherently more violent , I think that we say don't be sad , get angry or don't get , don't talk about your feelings , just punch something .

And with girls we say we're allowed to talk with other girls unless you don't like those other girls , in which case you talk about them in this way , like everything is very gendered and very structured in a way that we insist women act like this and men act like this . I don't think any of it is inherent . I think that that's all entirely cultivated .

Speaker 4

That makes a lot of sense , because I've never like the tears I've seen shed over how one group of girls treated a girl or another group of girls is a real thing and the pain I could make the argument . I'd much rather be punched in the face .

I can make that argument and I think like very , very convincing that I just rather be punched in the face than go through that . So yeah , yeah , interesting .

Speaker 3

I just want to like I'm dying to mansplain this so badly , I'm just dying .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I mean , that would be what culture has told you to do .

Speaker 3

I don't know , I actually don't . I'm clueless about that and everything else , but I will say your statement , oh , that you say like , oh , that's the only thing we put it . I really appreciate that . I take that as a compliment that men are capable of something other than one thought at any given time .

Because in my experience it's mostly like when we talk about saying , oh , you know , woman goes to her husband , says , hey , what do you think about her ? She's like nothing . It's like that is within the realm of possibility for a man to be like , literally thinking about , which is confounding , I know , to many women .

But I remember I told you I first got together , juliana , like we knew it was serious and we went to a therapist right away . She was , she's like a world renowned therapist . She's unbelievable . To this day it's the best therapist I've ever had . And then we see each other . She lives in LA . If we see each other , sometimes there'll be a function .

She'll run through the crowd to hug me and I mean like just , it's pure love . But so much of that first , like sort of couples therapy , was the woman explained to Juliana yeah , he's a man , so like , that's just him being like when he says I didn't mean anything by it .

She's like he really , from the bottom of his heart , did not occur to him on any conscious , you know what I mean . So anyway , this is this little beat . I want to thank Sean . I want to thank Sean Simmons who created Wayne . I think it's a masterpiece , but I , but I . I want to thank him for there's so many little beats

Men's Perspective on Interactions in New England

in here that I love . There's so many hidden gems , but capturing how men in New England look at each other strangers is just not done . When have you seen a coach like think about it , like you just don't ? And I say New England , but it's also the whole Eastern seaboard , basically all the way down to . Baltimore .

I don't know that it's as prevalent in the South . I think it's like mostly the Eastern seaboard and anywhere where Puritans have have sort of installed their seed .

Speaker 4

But yeah , I think yes to everything you just said and I would say what I liked about it was I mean , we'll go through the scene in a moment and that's a different thing , but I like that . It was just how it is . It wasn't .

It's like you're saying it's not that it's special that this guy on the bike and Wayne or whatever , like they're both going to see another guy in about a minute and a half and they're both going to do the same thing again , exactly , and about 30 seconds after that again like that's just how it is . It's not like a special scene .

No , this guy's a troublemaker , it's just that I really liked about it . It was just like that's how it is .

Speaker 3

Yeah , Wayne could walk past that guy . Go into the store , walk past someone in the non-dairy treat aisle and they'll give each other the same glare . It's like it's exhausting , frankly .

Speaker 4

That is true ?

Speaker 3

So anyway , wayne is out there Now . He's in this , this other place , third place that he's visited he has has some , a tamp box of . I can't tell if it's pads or tampons from this angle , but basically looking at something and then those are tampons .

Speaker 2

Tampons come in the box , pads come in like a plastic wrapping .

Speaker 3

If it's soft they're packed , excellent , wonderful . So there you go , boss . Take it away from this point about what happens in this scene here .

Speaker 2

As he is standing looking at the box of tampons which shows a little bit of growth from store one through here , he has actually touched the tampons and is looking at the box itself . Someone who works in the store comes over and says your mom , or for your my or your sister , and he says a girl friend , she's a girl .

She said I hope so , or these won't work , it's okay . So how bad is it ? He says huh . He says help her period . I need to know if you want to bring the right ones back . She says . She said it was like a song movie Super blessed is which it . I don't want to get too graphic on here .

I just need anybody who has not experienced a period to understand that at any second it could be a light and then pretty rapidly switch to a super plus . Like there's not a lot of rhyme or reason to it , at least for me . Maybe other people are different .

I think I one time tweeted something about how all of the stuff you hear at the doctor's office is usually your period will start light and then get heavier over the week or whatever . I'm like that son of a bitch busts in like Kool-Aid man , like there is just absolutely . It is immediate . It's from zero to the shining in like a solid hour .

It's ridiculous .

Speaker 4

This is so great . This is what I will say . I don't know . I can't make any other promises , but we are a singular podcast , for better , for worse .

Speaker 3

The shiny yeah , you're not getting . It's a lot , it's a lot , it's different . Based on all the different people experience . I know it's so fascinating because it also PMS hits women so differently . I have friends who they're like oh no , it's not really a , luckily I escaped . They're like I didn't get that to hit me .

And I had a girlfriend at college who she would be . She would get migraines and just like , could she shut her down ? Her life would shut down until she would call her doctor and then he would send her these migraine meds and I would go pick them up and then she could function .

I'm like , oh my God , like you know , I mean , it just hits people so differently , there's no rhyme or reason to it , and yeah , and then it also is also unpredictable . So women have that wonderful thing .

I know some people can set their clock by it , but also , as as you , as you get older , then sometimes it becomes , you know , maybe if you're a person who can set your clock by it and then things change , it kind of can throw off a lot of your natural rhythms , and so it's one of the one of the great things about being a woman .

You know , really fun , really fair .

Speaker 4

My , my cousin was younger cousins getting married , and you know , hey , what have you learned ? You know , out there , out there in the marriage streets , and I , one of the things I told him was track her cycle . You'll just , your world will be a better place . You'll start paying attention .

You'll , you know , don't make any stupid fucking comments that week before you get goddamn decapitated . Like , just like , just pay attention . And it like at first he thought I was fucking around . I was like no , I am , I'm not kidding . I was like it's not a thing , it's not to be . Like , oh , come on , honey , we're doing on there .

Like not that , I'm just saying like for real .

Speaker 3

No for like an empathy empathy sake , not for like this is not the time to complain about some shit .

Speaker 4

that's not really that big a deal . Like just chill out . And he thanked me later . He like literally thanked me later Like yeah , you're right . Like just being aware of like this is maybe not the time to bring up some bullshit was really helpful .

Speaker 2

Well , if that's actually like one of my few soapbox things that I am going to get up here on , is that it is both unfair that women are categorized as not being able to function at all because of PMS or periods or whatever else , but also then unfair that there is almost no response or remedy for all the issues that you do go through , so like we'll get

shit on because it's like , well , you can't be president if you're a woman , if you had one bad week , then you're setting off the new . It's like , well , we're not actually going to do that .

But yeah , sometimes you do have debilitating cramps and migraines which we can figure out and we could get through and we could work with people on , but also the doctor's like , well , that's just normal period pain . What's the problem ? You know , don't worry about it .

I know a woman who 20 solid years ago would sit down to watch a movie wearing a super plus tampon and a pad and would bleed through to the couch during the course of the movie if she was not watching it . Like this was a very serious medical issue .

She eventually had to have an ablation , which is where they go in and they set fire to the inside of your uterus . I really hope I can get one . I can't fucking wait . And then you can't get your period anymore . But they wouldn't give it to her when she was in her 20s because they were sure that she was going to want to have kids .

So they just didn't do anything for 20 solid years while it was fucking up her entire body because , I don't know , women are supposed to suffer through their periods , I guess .

Speaker 4

I don't want to totally speak with coach , but there may be a bit of dead air here for the next few minutes . Because what did you just say I was like . First of all you said ablation . I started to say what is that ? And then you told me what it ? Was , and I was like sweet Jesus .

Speaker 3

Ovation . I'll give you a fucking ovation . No asshole , exactly .

Speaker 4

Oh .

Speaker 3

God typical boss wants a fucking ovation for everything she does .

Speaker 4

Imagine that . Oh no , that is true Also , I would not .

Speaker 3

What , yeah I thought the advice you were going to give him boss , was when he said , yeah , don't bring up some bullshit when she's on her period . I thought you're going to be like , yes , or don't ever bring up some bullshit .

Speaker 2

Well , also that , but like that should just be . In general , bring up as the least amount of bullshit you can , but there's always going to be some .

Speaker 3

Now here's the problem . I'm trying to go quickly through this episode and you guys just really really interesting people who have great stories . And now all I'm going to be able to think about is ablations , Wayne is .

We have that nice , nice store worker who walks him through Super Plus and , right when that happens , in comes bicycle guy and he walks up to the girl the girl who works in the store , a woman who works in the store and what does he say ? Boss ?

Speaker 2

You don't answer my texts . Now she says I can't text you at work . You know that .

He says don't lie to me , which is always my favorite thing because it's a it's a standard abusive man thing where you say here's the thing that is completely reasonable and totally believable , and what he says is don't lie to me , Motherfucker , if I were going to lie to you , it would be smarter than this .

Like you can go ask my fucking book anyway , Don't lie to me . And then he says to Wayne Wayne .

Speaker 3

Look , wayne turns . The kind of Wayne does turn doesn't like the tone , the tenor of this gentleman's approach .

Speaker 2

Nor should anybody .

Speaker 3

And what does he say ? What does he say ?

Speaker 2

Yeah , says what are you looking at ? Go jerk off to someone else's girlfriend .

Speaker 3

Go ahead Now . She says go , she says go ahead she's like oh , this guy's trouble .

Speaker 4

Yeah , you don't . Let's not do this . Here's what I interesting . I didn't think of it till now . Actually , when I was watching it in real time it didn't . It didn't occur to me . This is super similar to our moment with Daddy Mayhem , of like they are standing she works at a store and a customer is talking to her .

This is not in any way an untoward scenario , like there's nothing wrong with this moment other than that you can imagine your girlfriend plays any other role in this guy's life than to be his like going into his jerk file for later . It's quite telling . It's almost as if you think she doesn't have a real job .

She just goes to this place like she's supposed to be texting you and not having guys file her away because of how she looks . Like that's a . That's kind of what you think she should be doing right now .

Speaker 2

Of course , I would also be willing to bet a large amount of money that he is currently working on his band and doesn't have a job , and she is supporting both of them with this job .

Speaker 4

That he thinks is bullshit . It makes me sad that I didn't think of it and that I am 100% sure that you are correct .

Speaker 2

I speak dirtbag very fluently .

Speaker 3

Yes , that is true . I want to point out the production design by Aiden LaRue and the costume design by Julia Potts Wilson , megan Oppenheimer , because I just love what this guy is wearing . I love his stupid neck beard , I love his . This guy is like he's , he's perfect for what . What this guy is . She says OK , it's OK .

Kid Wayne kind of tightens up the way Wayne does , goes to the , goes to the the front counter to check out , and then he kind of hears something behind them and he turns and what's going on behind him , boss ?

Speaker 2

As he like , turns over his shoulder . They are still . He is very quietly yelling , which is a very specific thing of a low menacing and grabbing her by her arm , which is , if you're going to do that in public , there's some pretty horrible .

Speaker 4

Yeah you , just that move Says people can see , and I don't want to get arrested , but yeah , it's not good .

Speaker 2

But yeah , but I am sure it's still going to make sure that you understand that I'm going to do whatever fuck I want .

So as he turns around and the asshole boyfriend is grabbing her by the arm , Wayne's putting his stuff on the counter and after he sees this , he turns background and he says I'll also take that bike lock and that alone , which as soon as he did , coach , coach was like nodding , watching , like , uh huh , yep , yep , that tracks .

Speaker 3

So again , wayne's Wayne's thing is that he's got a doesn't like you know the wrong people getting ahead isn't like you know . He's got an innate sense of justice and we cut to coach now what we go from this and outside . We basically cut to a scene where put he puts the , puts the bat , yeah , sorry , takes the bike , get orders of bike lock in the bat .

And we cut to Wayne beating the hell out of something out of frame with the aluminum bat . And then we see that he has shackled . He put the bike lock around the guy's throat and and and attached him to a sign . Guys all bloodied . So first of all Wayne kicked his ass and then and we hear the guy screaming I'll fucking kill you , you motherfucker .

And then we see , then we pull out and we see Wayne is hitting the bike . He says not my bike , my baby . And Wayne knocks the wheel , the front tire off the bike and then we do a smash , cut to Wayne back at the counter of the same store and he says what coach ?

Speaker 4

I'd like to return this bat . Oh my God , I loved it and I also loved the smile from her accepting the return , because obviously , if you use an aluminum bat to bash a bike to the degree that the wheel literally comes off , it's going to be slightly damaged and she understands exactly how that happened and she's like I accepted the return .

I just thought it was like I don't know what will become of this couple or that she . I really wish you would just get away from this guy because she seems perfectly charming , but I love that . She was like yep , I will absolutely thank you by taking this bat back , done and done .

Speaker 3

I worry for her after this . But I worried like that . It's a John Wayne sort of solution where he comes in , you know , raises hell a little bit and then moves on as down the prairie and , like other people , are left holding the bag to clean it up . But but still , maybe not . Maybe the guy is scared straight , I don't know .

She definitely liked that someone stuck up for her , so that was a nice beat .

Wayne's Frustrations and Tracy's Independence

Speaker 2

I think , one of the other things , even though Wayne definitely did punch this guy in the face at least once , because he's got a bloody nose , maybe bloody lip that could have been just one good punch , though I think that the fact that he took out most of his frustrations on the guy's bike in the same way that in the first episode he didn't beat the shit

out of the guy that cheated on Gail when he broke his windows that's interesting . When physically assaulting somebody is called for , wayne will not back off , but whenever possible he would prefer to do property damage . It's going to hurt the person in a different way . It's definitely still an assault , but he took the bat to the bike .

I don't think that he ever took the bat to the God .

Speaker 4

It's interesting because we have a car we're going to get . No , not my bike , my baby . This guy manhandles his girlfriend I would assume at the point that he expects her to text from work and all the sudden bullshit . And then , oh , he actually says somebody else's girlfriend . So there you go .

But it's not my bike , my baby , and the guy cares that his window got broken . There's a lot in here around guys caring , and this is just coming together right now guys caring more about things than people . He really wants to get the landlord . He doesn't beat the crap out of him . He Viking funerals the house . Yeah , it's interesting .

Anyway , there might be something as this unfolds , but it's interesting .

Speaker 3

I like that , coach . Yeah , you picked up on a good theme there . That's really good . So Wayne ends up . We cut back to the diner . Wayne's knocking the door Dell , dell , I got the things . He's knocking and knocking and knocking , no answer . He's got her and out walks a stranger who gives him a look and he walks into the bathroom and finds it abandoned .

Some music comes up and he goes looking back . He looks at the booth they were sitting in . There's two different people sitting there now and he realizes she's gone . Dell's gone . He doesn't know what to do . He sits down and he's in a different booth and then the waitress Tracy comes over same waitress right and then she goes to pour him some coffee .

He's got a coffee mug there and she goes to pour the coffee in and he puts his hand over the mug and then like to say no . And then what happens ?

Speaker 4

Coach and Tracy pours and she panics because she has just now poured hot coffee on someone's hand . Fuck shit , holy shit , kid , he's not phased . Which other things we've seen of him makes its own kind of sense . Fuck , didn't that hurt ? And he says yes , and again , it's not that he's detached from pain , he just sort of walks through it .

You don't like coffee . All of a sudden or something , I haven't tasted anything worse than coffee .

Speaker 3

And when she walks up , the first thing she says is I don't think she's coming back , kid , which that may have added to his numbness . I kind of glossed past that , but yeah , exactly the same thing . He doesn't react to it . You see that he has a delayed like his pain receptors are probably so . They're like experienced or something .

There's his nose Right right .

Speaker 4

His threshold is off the chart .

Speaker 3

Yeah , I never tasted anything worse than coffee . And then Tracy realizes oh shit , you got it bad for that bitch which I laughed out loud when I met . She sighed Quick .

Speaker 4

Yeah , she sighed . Yeah , it was a great way to say it .

Speaker 3

Yeah , and what does she say as she sits down here , boss , as much as I don't like that , cooze , right , and I was like , oh , that one feel that's the first line . I was like cooze , I don't like that word , not a fan . I also feel very Tony Soprano to me and less New England to me .

Now there could be a subset of like you know there's in the world that Sean Simmons comes from . I could see certain words that feel New Yorkie , new Jersey-ish , coming into play , like making their way to Brockton through different you know mechanisms , but that was the first word .

I was like I don't hear cooze a lot in , you know , in the prep school , you know circles I travel in here I was unfamiliar .

Speaker 4

I had to Google that , by the way .

Speaker 3

What did it say , coach ?

Speaker 4

Vagina was our guest .

Speaker 3

Yeah .

Speaker 4

You looked it up there slang . So yeah , I didn't , but yeah , I was not familiar with that one .

Speaker 3

Yeah , I think it's a . Sometimes you'll hear it used , let's say real mafia sort of Like . You'll hear it . Like you know , you can imagine , like I said , you can imagine it at the Bing about a Bing . You can imagine like hey , there's fucking goos like it's like a yeah , it's not , it's , it's whatever . It's like saying twat kind of thing .

It's that type , it's a demeaning . But a little yeah , a little more sexualized .

Speaker 2

It's not cunt , which is one of my favorite words , it is more like the thing with which you have sex . Ergo , the only important part of the woman Got it , the only important thing about it .

Speaker 3

Right , so Tracy sits down . Does she have a place she runs off to when you guys fight like this ? She in there for hours or jewelry , I'm not . I'm not from around here . I met her yesterday , oh , oh shit , man . Okay . So a girl that age alone probably heads home .

She's got money on her and then Wayne notices she's like as Tracy's saying that there's a bus station and Wayne's up already out of the seat . She's right there and then she turns and she looks at her again Like kind of does a double take ? And what does she say there , coach ?

Speaker 4

That bitch still one of my smocks . That was a LOL for me for sure . I thought that was great . Also because she didn't . We know she can steal , but she didn't just steal it , she's making her way .

I mean , it's very , you know , you find that one-armed man style , but she's just trying to survive and get where she's going , and she's got to figure out how to cover up her saw genes . That's it Right Then ?

Speaker 3

she's self-reliant . She's like this guy has like he's dipped , he's gone , it's been an hour , I need to figure something , I cannot sit here . So she finds something that goes back behind her , like to her mid thigh , and she puts it on and she's taking matters into her own hands .

So I think one of the agency of that and the you know sort of her independence and her sort of she's got that like wild horses kind of spirit . You know what I mean . Like you know she was risking her dad . Her dad's clearly busted her for stealing before specifically stealing girls' cookies and selling them and then she risks it again .

She's like I got to , I'm desperate , I got to get , got to get out of here . And we're going to see a couple of examples of Dell's sort of sort of fiery spirit as this episode goes on . He calls Dell , dell , dell , hey , and she's no , you left me . No , I didn't , it's been an hour , you left me .

And he says oh , I went to the store to get your things . There was a guy being mean to a lady . So at this store , she's no , he says at a different store , I thought I told you that store , I didn't , and I went to another store .

So there's like this crazy sort of you know cause it's like it's already kind of off topic here , like I'm not sure they're fighting about the same thing necessarily , cause he's trying to explain like here's the process . Uh , you know , I couldn't buy them at the first ones . How many did you go to ? Three , three , why ? Cause it's weird .

Okay , which is such a ? This is such a line of delineate . This is a gendered line right here . You know what I mean . You feel like talk about , like I would think , listen , I can't again , I can't speak for women . I know , as a man , you go all right , I have the option to go to another store . I can just like that's within the realm of my options .

Meanwhile , dell is is bleeding and and , and you know there's all kinds of things going on and she's like I don't have the luxury of fucking around too . You know what I mean . It's weird for you , weird . And you can lay out my , you can lay my brothers out , you can bite my goddamn , my dad's goddamn nose off .

I was so glad this was said you can do whatever you did to that guy who's being mean to some lady and how's he doing , by the way , not good , yeah , not good , she's like no shit .

Speaker 4

I've seen you at action , not good .

Speaker 3

Of course he isn't . You can do all that , but you can't buy me some fucking tampons . I cannot believe . I came here with you and you don't even know where the hell we're going . Okay , so let's .

I wanted to get through that little , that little soliloquy there , but it is , yeah , I mean you when you it's like one of those things where you go , well , shit , when you say it like that , yeah , I guess that seems kind of , but , but I would add to it too , though , that it never what .

Speaker 4

What sparks all this . The emotion is I've been abandoned . I knew I couldn't depend on anybody . I've lived the whole life not depending on anybody . Why I trusted anybody to go get fucking tampons from you when I needed tampons is beyond . But she's as much as she's mad at him .

It feels to me like she's also mad at herself , like why do I trust this fucking guy ? He's another human being , isn't he ? And so far in life this is how human beings act .

So there's a frustration built in there , and I think on Wayne's side of the argument he's like of course I was going to , I was going to figure out how to get these tampons for you . It just was a little weirder , and then I necessarily thought it was going to be here than you thought it was going to be when you sent me .

But I was always coming back .

Speaker 3

Yeah , I was working through it .

Speaker 4

Right . So , he's like what do you mean ? I left you , like I , like I've spent the last hour of my life figuring out how to do the thing you need me to do . That is totally out of my wheelhouse .

So , anyway , I , I , yeah , I felt for both of them here and I love those moments in shows or movies , in relationships , where you just kind of go yeah , yeah , I get that Also , get that Like I get where she's , like it's been a fucking hour , I sent you across the street . What is happening ?

Speaker 2

So I will agree that both sides are understandable . She is objectively right , like she is yeah , yeah . And not that you were saying that she wasn't , but like that's what the that's what it comes down to is . Yes , he had difficulties at the first door . He couldn't go to the second one .

Then at the third one he had to beat somebody up , like he had all these things that he needed to do , but he was prioritizing what he needed to do versus what she needed him to do . And what she needed him to do was show up for her right now in order to get that done but right , he's never had to do that before he's .

Speaker 3

He's a . We're talking about two lone wolves here , and so this is right . This is the thing . You're a hundred percent right , boss . He did not . I think . I just walked all over what you were saying . Did I were you ? Were you done ? Are we still talking ?

Speaker 2

No , that's basically it , I mean . The only other thing that I was thinking about is when she says you could lay out my brothers , you could destroy a TV , you could bite my dad's nose off . So there's a just like an online sort of thing .

I've seen it on Twitter a few times , but whenever preppers or you know , like anybody who has a large collection of guns that they believe they will be using at some point , they're always like oh well , I'm defending my family , I need all of these guns in order to defend my family . And somebody's like oh , you need to defend your family , wash laundry .

What I need you to do is wash a shit ton of laundry , because if the clothes are dirty , the kids are going to get sick . If the kids get sick , it's going to be fucking hell . What I need you to do to protect your family is wash load after load of laundry to keep tapeworms and fucking gross parasites out of your house .

Speaker 3

That's how you protect your family . The load on no is the load of buckshot . I'm going to be spending the afternoon filling Bingo .

Speaker 2

So there is absolutely an aspect of like are you interested in act in protecting somebody , or are you interested in protecting somebody in the way that you want to ? Because the way that you want to isn't necessarily going to be done .

Speaker 3

Is it about me or is it about you right now ? Right , Exactly right . I will say that she is objectively right to this point . And then she does

Anger and Disconnect in Relationships

this thing . And I feel so connected to Dale in this moment because I grew up in a family where a lot of hot blooded people you'll find this in a lot of Mediterranean families I can't speak to you know , boss has said , oh , Irish Catholics have some form of this or some version of whatever . But I know in my family we all lost our cool .

That was what everybody did . And then you said things said real , really , really mean things , like really cutting , because they were going to say it to you .

They would say that they would say something that was so hurtful and so spiteful and so unkind , and so you got really good at defending yourself and lashing back out and saving up your sort of it's , not even like you were conscious of it .

You just you , just okay , if you have no context for your anger , for the anger you're feeling and you don't , and you feel trapped . You know , I look at the poor woman who was having that stupid bike guy come in and bother her at work . She feels trapped on some level . She's like she would . She seems like a person .

She was nice , she was , she was kind she . You know she was good with Wayne . She didn't seem like she was an idiot , she was . She was articulate , you know , just like coach .

Speaker 2

And and so wait , no , we're just going to jump in with a laugh .

Speaker 3

And so you know . But she feels trapped on some level . You can imagine her feeling trapped and that she can't , can't shake whatever this dude is means to her . So you look at this moment with Dell and it's like when you're full of anger , like this , like Dell was like I know what she's like , okay , it's eight minutes . I remember it's so funny .

Like , yeah , I remember growing up and having this exact thing . Like , okay , now it's 22 minutes . Your anger just grows and grows and you're like what are the ? And then it's almost like you have to burst . So this is where she goes . I cannot believe . I came here with you and you don't even know where the hell we're going .

Dell , dell will find it All right , I promise . Who even are you anyway ? Like this is where you go , boom . Like this is where it breaks . You burn your own house down . Okay , that is vicious , because we know why he burned the house down .

Speaker 4

Yeah , it wasn't like he was just playing with matches .

Speaker 3

That is mean spirited , that comment . And that jacket what kind of weirdo wears that jacket ? I mean , what the fuck ? Even is it a shark of ? In some sort of Japanese sunrise ? And then she , she , okay , we're going to take this part right here . And when she said , like I just want to point out , her anger has no place to go .

She has been living with her anger her whole life . She's got a father and brothers who are only obstructive to her and an oppressive and unkind she doesn't . There's no other female influence in her world that we're aware of , which is why she sort of has some tough guy sensibility to her .

You know what I mean , in that her dad is her only role model , just like I talked about I mentioned last time how she can sometimes emulate tonally what her father sounds like . In the same way , when we first met Jamie Tart , he sounded a lot like James Tart senior in that that's the only way he knew how to interact .

As he's doing this , one of the gnome salt shakers that she stole topples out of her pocket and breaks in the ground . She says shit . And then , boss , what does Wayne say you shouldn't do that , you shouldn't be doing that stealing . And she says no , no , you don't tell me who to be . Boss is not bosses , yet Boss , what do you say ?

Speaker 2

I mean , she's absolutely right about that , and I think that sometimes we perceive characters as their personality traits are because of previous trauma . Like what we are saying right now is she is the way that she is because of her dad and her brothers , and that her anger doesn't have any place to go . Is the thing that you just said .

She's fucking right to be angry right now . If she had fucking Mr Rogers as her dad and somebody left her in a bathroom for an hour when they were supposed to be going getting her tampons so that she wouldn't bleed on herself , if you fucking left her for an hour , she should be yelling at you . You should be in trouble .

Speaker 3

You are wrong . You are wrong . Possibly there are situations where listen , having now lived for many virtually half my life with Juliana's family , I'm like , oh yeah , no , that wouldn't happen ever and ever . You could be sitting there for an hour and she'd be like I know my dad is out getting me my stuff . I'll just like , you know , I'll grab it .

I'll see if I can get a magazine . You don't have to get angry because you know it's not a slight . You don't have to . Because you're so comfortable in the world that you live in and the people around you have such kindness and empathy and enthusiasm for helping you , it would never even occur to you that they would be out gallivanting .

You're like , on the contrary , you might even worry , you might be like , oh God , I hope they didn't get in the car accident or something , because I know they must be dying to get back to me as quickly as possible .

Even just saying , I grew up in that family and now my family is like how Juliana's family is like yeah , because you know people are in your corner and so if you get angry about it , like that you're being put out or something , it's almost like well , obviously they're not intentionally doing . That , you know I always talk about . It goes back to intent .

You have to look at intent and sure .

Speaker 2

And in this case , his intent was not to slight her , but he didn't do anything to make sure that he wasn't slighting her , like I feel like there's . It would be , yes , if he were hit by a car and knocked out for 45 minutes and he came back and she was still pissed at him Absolutely uncalled for .

But if you are out and you get sidetracked and you do what your own fucking thing and you have to beat up a guy because your moral code requires that you stand up every time , you see that , okay , he did pick what he needed to do versus what she knew . No question , no question .

Speaker 3

I'm just saying it's not . It's not a default thing that , like every family is angry and not every person is angry , I know that's probably . You know , like , like you are , you are very connected , whatever your synaptic patterns and your and your brain wiring .

You're very connected to when you don't like something or when you you know like you're very like , like it doesn't . There's no , there's no filtration system that tends to calm that down . For you . It goes like right from thought to action . In that , for you I'm saying yeah . And I think it's super healthy .

What I was getting at was she says you don't have to , you don't tell me who to be , I am fine , okay . Well , will you move ? I can't yell at you with those fucking tits over your head which is like his head is the truck with the boobs on behind . And now this is what I was getting at . She says you know what , fuck this .

Now , depending on that fuck this instinct is either super unhealthy or kind of healthy , like . You know what I mean , like depending situationally . I'm like you learn the fuck this reaction , fuck this .

Unfortunately , it presep when you get to fuck this , it usually means that the that there was not enough body of work done ahead of time , because so it pushes you to make a split decision . But really it's , it's your , it's your limbic brain quickly , quickly aggregating all of the pros and cons .

You know they say your decision making is not done in your frontal lobe or your frontal cortex or whatever . It's done in your limbic brain , like it's done in your , in your animal brain , in your primate brain .

So you go sometimes , fuck this is like almost like a really healthy defense mechanism to be like you know , I've just done the addition and like this is the math doesn't work for me . And she says don't follow me . And I love this . I really love this as a writing choice . I love this as a beat between them because , like , we're learning a lot about them .

Yes , his intent was not to make her wait , he was , he was trying to get over a huge thing that he had had all kinds of agony about doing and , and you know , really felt out of place . He did stop to to , you know , inflict his code , all of these things , but they don't have anything yet . They have no language , no love language between them .

They have no shared agreements . I always talk about have shared agreements , even if , like , right now you're in a relationship and you're like , oh , matter of this is good , but you've never done your shared agreements . I'm like , make sure you , make sure you are sharing those , like specify them , because it makes things easier .

So , with this they have no shared agreements . And so , of course , when they have their first altercation or their first hiccup , she just fucking explodes and she goes right to fuck this because that is healthy in her world .

Speaker 2

So I'm just gonna say I think I sort of agree that it's healthy , not just in her world , but in this situation . I think if we take this from her viewpoint only , yeah , he seems great . Like she went to sell cookies , he wanted to buy them .

He showed up later like he went out of his way a little bit for her and then he said you want to go to Florida and get this car with me ? She was like , yeah , great . And then , as they're doing this , she's like wait , you don't know where the fuck you're going . We don't have any shit . My ass hurts .

We're fucking driving a dirt bike to Florida in order to find a car that you don't even know where it is or who owns it .

Like , in reality , if this were God forbid Anise , and she called me from Rhode Island and it was like hey , I took off with this guy and now it seems like it's not working out , I'd be like I'm gonna fly you home and you come back , because this is fucking nonsense . Like she isn't wrong in reading the situation the right way .

We know that Wayne has this internal moral compass that makes him do things . She doesn't know shit about him yet . She's right to walk off . If she left the show right now , I'd be like all right , great job , dale , I'll catch you later .

Speaker 4

Is she right to walk off or is she justified to walk off ? And I'm really asking that question .

Speaker 3

Yeah , coach , yeah , tell her Straighten her out . No , no , no , straighten her ass out .

Speaker 4

Don't shoot , even Don't shoot .

Speaker 3

Oh , she's such a goddamn know-it-all coach no , no , no . Put her in her place .

Speaker 4

Oh my God , that's the last thing . No one's putting anyone anywhere . There will be no putting today . There will be no putting no , no , no .

But really , because , as I was listening to you , I was like , absolutely , and that's a really smart way to frame this If I got a call from former player , niece , whatever , some young woman in my life who was like , okay , my situation sucks .

I just took my first shot at something that might be different and now this looks like a bad idea , like you , I'd be like I'm on my way , or here's money , get to the safe place . And I do think it's inconceivable to Dell that ultimately , he's anything but a piece of shit . And I think she allowed like a 1% to 10% .

Oh my God , would it be that there's someone out there who isn't a piece of shit and for her in that hour she decided what a fool am I ? People are pieces of shit and of course he's a piece of shit Because that's what . So so , yes , coach , yes , I think you're . So , yeah , let's say justified , more so than right , because I do think Wayne would .

I think Wayne is . We are seeing from our point of view , watching the whole thing , we are seeing that Wayne is not a bad guy and it's not that Wayne didn't care about getting the thing for her and all these things , but I get , yes where for her .

It's like you have really rolled the dice here , sister , and if you feel at all like this ain't a good idea , then sooner than later would be when to get up .

First Love and Inner Knowing Reflections

Speaker 3

I remember being young and falling in love for the first time and I was pretty young , you know , sort of based on when people fall in love for the first time , and I remember people calling it puppy love . Oh , you got a case of puppy love . And I remember thinking like this is ? It felt like a tidal wave .

I almost couldn't control anything inside my emotions . I was so overwhelmed by it and I remember thinking I'm never , ever going to belittle someone going through their first love in the future by labeling it in that way , because it clearly means you haven't experienced this or you experience it differently .

So when I love that , both of your first instinct is to protect , which is adorable for boss because she's , you know , like a literal troublemaker , but I do love that coach and boss . You say like , oh , I'd get my . But part of what's missing here is when Dale put her head on Wayne .

What we're skipping past is inner knowing , and I think we do a really poor job in this society of teaching people what an inner knowing is . Now , coach , this is like this is literally the difference between a black cultural thing and a white culture thing , when we when I laughed at saying , when you said do your thing right . That's inner knowing . That's you .

Then that means you've done the work to know what your thing is . And when I say about white people , we go , you don't have a fucking thing , go do your homework and mow the fucking lawn . You don't have a thing Right . It's not part of it , wasn't part of my ethos growing up . Like that I should be looking for my quote unquote thing .

Part of that is all , all part of understanding the like who you are and what you're about .

And therefore , when you know something an inner knowing , when you know something with every fiber of your being , like when this guy , I'm going to go in this guy's room and sometime I guess I'll tell him I live on the shit hole in Norton and he's going to come break me out of prison and I'm going to go with him , with the only caveat is I got to grab

a bikini . That's an inner knowing . So part of it is like okay , like , yes , I will get you a train fare to come back and I'll do this , but like is this one of those things ? And like , have you bailed too early ?

And we're going to talk about the advice that comes up from Tracy as we get there , wayne , wayne , he respects her and this is so funny , he's so literal . Gail , the nurse who was helping her father in episode one was like you got to learn to . You know , feather the feather , the truth , that kind of thing . But Wayne is like very literal .

So when she says don't follow me . And he actually respects her , which he does , he did not mean to do this shit , I know he did it and that and I'm not exonerating him to say like it sounds like , oh , I'm just mansplaining , like hey , listen , sometimes a man's got dough , a man's got to do .

I'm not saying that , I'm saying in his world he was working through this shit . He did get it done , albeit far , far too late and far too long , and didn't account for what anxiety she was going to operate with and also stopped to , to , to be the sheriff I'm admitting all that but he did try to get it done .

And then so when she says don't follow , he's like great , I'll have to respect her , I don't follow . He goes back to his campsite where he had skin there at it . And what does he find at the campsite ?

Speaker 2

boss , oh , a couple of kids trying to steal the shit .

Speaker 3

Right , a couple of kids have stumbled onto his thing and it's funny because you get the , you get the look , you get the tight close up of Wayne , and then you have him .

Then then we cut to a shot of the , of the campsite , from behind the kids who are perusing his , his shit , and then , for some reason , wayne drops out of a tree in frame and he's like , he's like Spider-Man . And then they run the kids like you know , you get music , they freak out .

The first kid just just bails right away , which is again , which is so is so true to the like . That's how it works , like if the cops are after you . When you're a little kid , I remember like you just run when the cops came .

Cops would come and everybody just run , they just take off running and then I'm like I remember one time I went to my prep school was a had its own golf course . I should tell you how , how , how .

Speaker 4

Just to jump in here . This is the guy who , episode after episode , gives me shit about where I went to school the school . I went to had its own . Golf course I'd like that's a t-shirt . Of course it did .

Speaker 3

It wouldn't be called dead , only nine holes . But so I remember one time we had a big game and then we we went to get pizza and we got a bunch of two liters of soda and was like eight or 10 of us , like a lot of guys . I didn't forget what sport I was playing lacrosse , maybe I'd forget whatever I was playing .

We were tired and then it got dark and we were just like , oh , we got to walk and eat this . So we walked to the golf course and we just were eating pizza and drinking soda and the cops come flying with their sirens on through the night .

They come to the thing we all take off running and then , like like eight minutes later , huffing like in the woods , we realized like what the fuck were we running from ? We're just eating pizza and soda . And we went back and they had taken our pizzas , were like you , motherfucker . You know like I'm like wait , it was just the instinct was to run .

You know what I mean . Like that's just how , how it was . So you , but you know I say that because when we ran a couple of people bailed like right when the cop once slipped on a piece of pizza . You know , like it's never as clean as you think . It's like when they talk about war , it's never like , oh , let's march into war .

It's always like people shitting themselves and breaking an ankle and mud before you even charge , like you know , like it's just always the most horrendous shit . So I love that . When Wayne drops out of the tree , the first kid just takes a digger . The second kid screams like don't kill us or whatever . And yeah , run . And then don't kill us , we have money .

He says I'm not going to kill you and I'm , and I like this , this nuance for Wayne , because there's the holy shit , oh shit , moment , like okay , and you're , and you learn . The show is teaching . It's teaching you Like .

Remember when , oh , did you guys get the email I sent you , by the way , earlier today with the , with the GIF in it , when that GIF , when he was the GIF of when the landlord opens the envelope and it says fuck you each shit , the picture of the penis , hand drawn penis picture .

When that happened , no , I think it was when the landlord said oh , you know , tell your old man like made this thing .

Coach was like you are a dead man , you know , like , because that was episode one and coach is learning from the show where our Wayne's lines , right , when we see the little glare from the bike guy on the street , right , you go oh , okay , there's some friction there . But didn't seem Wayne appropriate Like it didn't seem like it pushed Wayne past the like .

When we saw the kid on top of Orlando , right in the hallway of episode one , you knew Wayne's going to grab the first weapon , the Moe better blues trumpet and right , so so , so we're learning what these are . He drops down to these kids and does he say like , like , do you think at this point he's going to destroy these kids ?

We don't have any evidence that he won't at this point . Until he does it , he goes I'm not going to kill him , right , somehow in the , in the world of the underbelly or the sub subcultures of this , whatever world , that this show existed .

Right , Like these kids don't , don't threaten Wayne's sense of right and wrong , despite the fact that they're going through his shit . I think that's just a fascinating little piece of little piece of character sort of information .

Speaker 2

Well , so far , everybody that he has assaulted have done something wrong to somebody else . He doesn't really care if people . He didn't lose his mind and Tracy accidentally poured the coffee on him , like he's not just flying in rage . He doesn't even seem to care that much when people are mean to him . Specifically , he is always looking out for other people .

Speaker 4

That is a great so , even if they were .

Speaker 2

I mean , even if they were going through his shit like I have to imagine that if he himself came upon what appears to be an abandoned campsite , he would start going through the shit too , just to see what's there . Even if he wasn't going to take it , he wants to know who was here , what is there , is there anything cool ?

But I didn't ever imagine that he would beat up , especially because they're younger kids . I couldn't imagine that he was going to do it .

Speaker 3

I want to point out that there's a black kid and a white kid and that , like , the show just does a great job in that way . You've been highlighting that , I highlight it all the time but it feels more real and more honest and more like you know , like experientially .

It's like it normalizes and somehow it just goes like all right , like this is like what it actually is , like we don't even have to like have a , you know what I mean . So anyway , wayne sort of says I'm not going to kill you , and the first thing the kid says to him is sweet jacket man . And Wayne has this little beat of the look on his face .

He kind of remembers the pain of hearing , like Dell sort of like destroy something that must be very , yeah , hate something . That I think , is , you know , we talk about why . Why does it matter , coach , the one that that uh , uh , when you want to hurt a man , you hurt his things in this show , right In the world of this show right , right , right .

This Wayne has almost no things .

Speaker 4

And this is this jacket's one of them , and she just completely craps on .

Speaker 3

Remember I was listening the other day to one of our podcasts where coach talks about how , uh , he bought a fucking leather trench coat that almost destroyed his credit for 10 years and I was laughing , thinking like a leather trench coat , like your shaft , or something like your yeah , yeah , Like what in the world ? in the fucking world .

I mean , I remember getting mad because I couldn't afford like a Durango duster . You're like one of those , uh , like cowboys , like thank God I couldn't afford it at whatever time I was trying to afford it . You know what I mean .

But like I think , like at some point boys in the transition to manhood go through some long coat stupidity that just seems to like sort of dot their , dot , their , their , their wardrobe existence . Um , I'm just bummed out that you don't still have it that you said Daphne made you toss it .

I would have liked if you could put it on right now , I would laugh forever , um , but yeah . So the guy . The guy says sweet coat , uh , uh to Wayne . He just , like kind of size , takes it off and gives it to the kid . What is that boss ?

Speaker 2

I mean number one . He didn't care about it anymore because , uh , dell had insulted it , so he didn't think it was as cool . He was now seeing it through somebody else's eyes and thought I don't really like this . And this kid still likes it in a way that up until a couple of hours ago he did .

So if he doesn't need it anymore , give it to somebody that does want it .

Acts of Generosity and Romantic Misunderstandings

Speaker 3

I have found in my life , um , the people with the least uh tend to be the most generous and and it's hard to explain that , um , I remember , I remember being uh , um , I remember being in the South Pacific and Vanuatu and going to these homes and I remember that the food these people lived out in the middle of the jungle you have to trek through the jungle

to get there and they were so excited that I was visiting . They would make like a spread and I'm looking at the food that they made . It's like it was like all their food for a week they just did it up for and I'm like I wanted to like cry , you know , because I knew , I knew what this meant . And I remember going to um , uh in Kenya .

I was in uh , this place in uh , a city in Kenya called Nukuru , where my father was a Peace Corps volunteer .

He joined the Peace Corps when he was uh 67 and then was there for two and a half years in Kenya and I went to visit him and in Nukuru , like I remember , we would go around and visit all these people and then there was one guy who , oh my God , he was almost a brilliant man I've ever one of the most brilliant man I've ever met .

His name was Francis and he basically built a machine shop out of nothing , it , no , education , none and he built like lathes from scratch . He saw like how it was almost like uh , if you could see , like , like uh , if you took a Hollywood version of of like what they would make , like a lathe built out of spare parts , what it would look like .

You know what I mean , but like he really did it . And then he would train other people and and then he would , he would like , make you something and give it to you for free , would not accept money , you know , wouldn't accept , and he's go . Oh my God , like . So it's just this real nurturing sort of kindness that comes .

It's like a thing between people who don't have anything , um , that the things are not , the are not as important as everybody , sort of swept up in the commercialism and the commodification of everything in this culture , um , it's really beautiful . So when Wayne gives this coat , uh , gives this coat away , the kids like sweet , you know , like really likes it .

Um , I saw that bikini in your tent . Is that where you take the girls and , you know , kill them ? That's what he said . The other kids has killed them . He says , oh , my girlfriends was Um . And then the kid with the glasses says I had a girlfriend once . What does he ? What does he say to their coach ?

Speaker 4

Had tits when she was 10 . Jesus , that is some boy talk right there . Yeah , that's like I didn't even know it to me because I was like , okay , I prefer you hadn't said it that way , but I understand what's happening here .

Speaker 3

So yeah , well , it's totally appropriate for like what ? How boys it's not like they're like 19 . No , no , no , they're like 13 . Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 4

Yeah , it's like yeah .

Speaker 3

Had tits when she was 10 . And then the other kid goes dude , are you talking about my girl ? Like I'm like what the hell Like ? This is such a slice of life , weird , like weirdness . And he goes she was my girl first . I , I I'm like , yeah , and she dumped you .

Speaker 4

What is happening ?

Speaker 3

Okay , I just think like I love those little sides . It's amazing . So what happened to your girl Wayne ? Uh , he didn't say Wayne . He says what happened to your girl and Wayne stands up , he says you guys should leave now . He says you better to stay right Because girls , they want you to fight for them . This is like um , uh , were you a ?

Oh God , what movie was this ? Were you ? A little girl tells a man , damn it , I can't think of it right now . Um , were you , were you a dummy ? Because , oh , no , I don't know what it was . Oh , yes , it was the American president . And uh , michael Douglas has just broken up with a net banning and or she like dumped him , whatever .

And and his daughter of all people was like were you I forget the word she is Were you a jerk ? Cause ? You know she was saying like , girls like that . When you compliment her their shoes , girls like that . And then she's like did you , did you go after her ? Girls like that . And so it had a little bit of that tinge of flavor here .

You beg her to stay right because girls , they want you to fight for them . How would Wayne know that ? And Wayne says she told me not to follow her , so I didn't . He says you have to follow him . And it's Wayne is , like you know , taking this in how far as the bus station , he says , and they say you're out of gas .

We tried to steal your bike earlier but the station will station will take you like 30 minutes . Or if you cut through the golf course , there's a hole in the fence , you'll be there in 10 tops .

Speaker 2

So just to go back quickly to the did you fight for her ? She wants you to fight for her . You should have followed her , and blah , blah , blah .

This is for me it's sort of the turning period between what we used to think was romantic and the residuals of those and what we understand as being not romantic , moving forward in that , like fucking , what was it the other day Somebody was talking about ? Was that movie urban cowboy ?

That's the one with Deborah Wenger and John Travolta , and somebody online had said something about how it's one of the most romantic movies that ever seen in their entire lives .

And the only thing I remember from that movie is that John Travolta hits Deborah Wenger , Like hits her , like intimate partner violence , hits her in the movie , and part of what he promises at the end is I'm never going to do that again and I'm like , oh , this is not , this is not a love story anymore .

Speaker 3

You guys , this is like maybe 40 years ago . This is like a what are we talking ? About .

Speaker 2

What is happening now ? So I think that there are . You're the worst is one of my favorite shows , and Gretchen Cutler says repeatedly like I picked you because you fought for me . Like there is a little element of you want them to put forth the effort of saying like you are important to me , this relationship is important to me .

I'm going to work at it and make sure that you know that it's important to me . And then there's the other side where it's like hey , stalker , I literally would like you to leave me alone now . Like honestly , please do not .

Speaker 3

I see revenge on the nerds .

Speaker 4

Oh , my God .

Speaker 2

Yeah , I mean so like this is .

Speaker 3

I just started to tea up a coach because he was like that movie is a hate crime .

Speaker 2

That movie's it's fucking . Well , and this is some of the shit that like I mean this was common in the early nineties to have that shit . We're like through the late nineties like fucking Jerry McGuire is running through wherever it is to get to Renee's Elwig or whatever . Like just fucking call .

We're just like I think part of what I am pushing back on on this kind of like it was Dell right to bail . Should she have bailed that early ? Blah , blah , blah . Everything that goes along with that is there should always be a chance later to fix this , except for the physical violence . Please don't ever do that , please , please , don't ever .

Like that's not . Don't go back , it's not going to get better , it's going to be bad . But in other instances , like it could Wayne have fixed this by once Dell is back home , can he find her ? Can he say like hey , I fucked up , I'm going to do better in the future ?

Like part of what is making me crazy about this is this idea that it has to be now or never . But if they don't make it work right now , it's never going to .

You can work on yourself , you could become a better person , you could figure out how to buy tampons without being embarrassed and going to three different places , and once you are a better partner for the person that you want to be with , you could go back and say hey , I've done the fucking work . Can we be in a relationship now ? You can do that .

No , impossible , sorry , no , no definitely not true .

Speaker 3

No thanks , Nice try though , boss . That's good Thanks .

Speaker 4

I'm trying to think , because everything you're saying there is making sense to me , and I'm trying to think , if I'm holding on , am I making room for the possibility that it can go different ways , or am I holding on to some of the very things you're pointing to ?

But when those kids told him you got to follow her , I was like , yeah , you got to go follow her and I get why maybe you don't Boss you're not advocating against that right but also maybe you do . Did Dell quote want him to come after her and prove that he really did ? I don't know .

Speaker 3

What would Gretchen Connor ?

Speaker 2

do . Yeah , no , that's it , oh no . And what , Gretchen ?

So sorry , I don't know if anybody's going to actually sit down and watch all of your the Worst , but there is an episode where , after a couple of years of therapy , of Gretchen working on herself , she starts to blow up a relationship and then goes outside and says out loud mostly to herself , but also so that we know her exact thinking I'm going to smoke one

cigarette and give him a chance . I'm going to give him one , one cigarette's worth of time for him to come out here and go after me and make this work . She ends up sitting and smoking maybe an entire pack of cigarettes because she wants to be able to give him the chance to make it better . But that is a very different thing from .

Violent Golf Course Standoff

I get why it might be romantic , but honestly , if a woman says this is over and do not follow me , the answer is you don't . The answer is you walk away . You can contact her later , maybe through a safe method , and say I'm trying to give you your space .

I want to respect this , but also , if you would like to give me another chance , I would like to take it . You can make an overture you can go back and say I would like to try this again , but I don't . I can't really ever feel comfortable advocating that if a woman says leave me alone , you're like oh , she must not mean it .

I must chase after her and make sure that she loves me .

Speaker 3

Yeah , yeah , no , no , no , of course you're 100% right . Of course , absolutely . I think for the purposes of this , having confused 15-year-olds in another state and she's by herself , I think for nothing other than to make sure she's okay . He should be going out . He should double check that she made it somewhere safe . It's nothing else .

But so they say don't listen to , no , don't listen to him , jamie , shut it man . He says why ? Because leave fucking Murray . Okay , who's ? Leave fucking Murray , leave fucking Murray is the guy who protects the golf course From what ? From kids who take shortcuts . It cuts 30 minutes off your walk to school .

And the other kid says I heard he killed the kid once , rumors . But he totes worship Satan . I'm saying don't , because he has a gun . Okay , big mistake . But he said I should fight for her . Wayne says Holy shit , he's going . Now we go to the defense , the hole in the fence , the faded hole .

The hero's journey is going to go from the world of the known to the world of the unknown . This next sequence has a little bit of Tarantino in it , just ever so little that , yeah , I see that what I'm saying ?

Just a tiny bit of like farcical insane , like hyperviolent , farcical subculture craziness that you're like if you squint , you're like I could see people out there like this , but it sort of imperils reason .

Speaker 4

Bring out the gimp .

Speaker 3

Yeah right , it's that kind of vibe . So Wayne looks at the fence for a second and the guys run up after him and I like that . Now they're like a thing . It's like these three guys are like they're not at all . They're almost associates of a kind Like . You know what I mean . Wayne is not threatened by them .

His entree into meeting them was they were rooting through his shit . But like , again , there's a declared delineation between who he's threatened by and who he isn't . And then , bam , there he goes through the fence . Okay , they're watching with bated breath .

He walks off of a little concrete sort of piling thing and then two steps onto the grass and a voice from his right says hey , andre . And we pivot and in frame we see a dude with a necktatt little mustache and we get the chiron , we get the graphic over him . We just zoom in and lock on him and it says Lee , fucking Murray .

And he says you on my grass .

Speaker 2

He's not . He's not . It's not your dress . Hey , Lee Murray , you don't need , you do not need to do this much for this job . This is not because you want to protect that golf course so badly . This is because you want to shoot people .

Speaker 4

Which I would underscore . I don't know when the last kid cut through here , but y'all could fix the fence .

Speaker 2

You could fix the fucking fence . I thought that too .

Speaker 3

Lee Murray clearly doesn't fix the fence because he wants to shoot this moment . Yeah , yeah , yeah . And Coach and I talk all the time about like this is well , I know Coach does , because I can't . I am terrified of this type of redneck , insane , undereducated lunatic with a gun . I can only imagine if I was a black man .

I am terrified of because you can't reason with this type . There's no reason , it's just they have a thing in their head and you're not going to logic them , so you're just like this is really sort of precarious . You want my grass now it's your ass . Now we get a beautiful shot . I love this shot .

Framed all the way to the far left of the frame is this sort of amped up , like green golf cart . So it's a golf cart , but it's all tricked out . If you're going to like just waste a shitload of money on a golf cart , you can add all these things to it . I know that in Florida .

I know there's people that like literally travel around there , little gated communities and golf carts all the time . This is like a olive , green , olive , drab sort of you know . If you're going to camo up your golf cart , okay , right next to the amped up golf cart you have Lee fucking Murray . He's got the shotgun leveled at Wayne .

I can't tell what gauge shotgun is from here , but in the far right side of the frame you have Wayne just standing there , arms at his sides . It's a beautiful shot and it's a great sort of one . Guy is in a very aggressive position and one guy has his arms at his sides .

But that other guy with the arms of sides is Wayne , and so he reaches into his back pocket . And what does he take out of his back pocket ? Coach Hammer , hammer . Cause why ? Cause he has what .

Speaker 4

Cause he has hammer on him .

Speaker 3

I have a hammer , and then he brings it into his right hand and he says to Lee fucking Murray , put it down . As he's spinning the hammer in his hand , rock music kicks on . And then he takes one step toward Lee Murray and Lee Murray . Lee fucking Murray does what boss ?

Speaker 2

Shoot some Full on , shoot some . He shoots him , he shoots Wayne Back up the idea of it being a Tarantino movie . Almost it , not exactly , but that level . In Pulp Fiction Vincent is talking about somebody how somebody keyed his car and there's a line in there about I wish I could have caught him doing it .

I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it . It would have been worth him doing it just so I could have caught him doing it . And that's the mentality here . Like I'm going to leave it open so that I can catch you , because it's because then I get to enact justice . I get to bring down the hammer for a fucking golf course

Golf, Doggy Bags, and Girl Fights

. God damn , golf courses should be illegal . I fucking hate them . They're so terrible . Sorry to anybody who likes golf , they fucking sucks .

Speaker 4

I get the argument . You don't know his coach just took up golf and he's like I want to learn and I get it Kind of like going out to golf a little bit .

Speaker 3

No , no , I get it . I hate golf , but I get it though .

Speaker 4

But yeah , I have clubs like right here . But I understand , and if someone said they're all gone , I'd go . That's fair . That's fair , I'll find something else to do .

Speaker 3

So the kids take off , go , go , go , run , run , run . And Wayne's fully dropped . He gets just put down and and we're left there with , you know , the same establishing shot of of Lee fucking Murray slowly lowering the gun and Wayne was laying out on the ground . We cut to an establishing shot of a of a bus station . So we have a bus . Go by and wait .

I don't want . Before we do that , I just want to call out I don't think anyone thought this was going to happen and this is like the type of beat that I really like . You're like . I know Wayne knew this guy's not going to fucking shoot me .

All right , I got like that's it's a step , step toward the guy and like , just totally misplayed the , the , the , the ignorant , the , the level of ignorance and that this guy must have , and misplaced confidence and and toxic masculine . And I mean , like you think , like what is the cocktail that makes Lee fucking Murray tick ?

Whatever it is , it's horrific and the product of a terrible , likely a terrible upbringing and again , underschooling and all kinds of things where that leads him to this moment to shoot a stranger in the face from point blank .

Now the boys run off , and so we have this establishing shot of um bus going by and then this , this incredible insert , um of a tiny little baby , and a most adorable little baby looking back over his mom's shoulder or her mom's shoulder . I can't tell if it's a little boy or a little girl . I'd absolutely adore my love babies and boss .

We see that Dell is the person that the baby is looking at . And what does Dell say ?

Speaker 2

She mouths fuck you , I mean I so .

Speaker 4

I just I understand .

Speaker 2

I think that there's a part of this that is supposed to be like she gives so little of a fuck about anything that she will tell a baby fuck you . I have to also say , though in high school I was at a buddy's house and his mom said to their dog oh Sophie , sophie , do you , do you want to go to in some place ?

Not walk , not treat , not one of those words , but like do you want to , do you want to go to grandma's house ? She fucking doesn't know what . Grandma's house , sophie , do you want to go to grandma's house ? And she said oh , look , how smart Sophie is . She knows exactly what I'm saying . She's so excited . My friend goes Mom , she doesn't understand anything .

You're saying hey Sophie , hey , sophie , you're just a bitch , aren't you ? She's a little bitch , bitch , bitch , bitch , bitch , bitch . And so if we did exactly the same thing because the tone was what she was looking for . There's a little bitch , bitch , bitch , bitch , bitch , bitch and I say that to dogs all the time now , because it's a fucking dog .

It doesn't understand . You could say whatever you want to do a baby , you could say they don't . If you say it in a nice way and you smile at them , you can say whatever the fuck you want , you're fine .

Speaker 3

You . Abusing dogs is the last straw for me . I swear to God . I swear to God , I really do like humans , but I love dogs , and you and me are going to have some words after this podcast .

Speaker 2

I mean I didn't say it to the dog , but also I did used to call my dog all kinds of names , but she didn't know and I loved her so much that it didn't matter .

Speaker 3

You're a troubling associate .

Speaker 2

You I mean that dog was one of the few things I felt comfortable showing open affection for . I went out to dinner one time me , the boyfriend , my younger sister , ellen and her husband . We went to Girl in the Goat , which is a fancy restaurant in Chicago , very delicious , and one of the things we got was the pork shank .

So it came to the table , fell off the bone fucking delicious . Amazing , at the end of the dinner , before they'd cleared all of the plates , I looked down at this you know the remnants of the giant hand bone on the plate and all of a sudden got very serious , like , very seriously , like startled upset , like nervous , like , and Ellen was like what's wrong ?

What's happening right now ? What's going on ? And the boyfriend looks over and goes yes , we can bring the bone home to the noodle . The noodle is a dog . He knew immediately exactly what was pissing me off . I was like we have to . We can't . She has to get this . We need to bring this to her .

If we're going to have a fancy night out , noodles going to need a fancy night out too .

Speaker 4

That's awesome . You got a literal doggy bag . I love it .

Speaker 2

Oh , I didn't . I wrapped it up in a napkin and put it in my purse . Oh , okay .

Speaker 3

So Dell , after telling the baby to fuck off , steps up to the window .

Speaker 4

Mostly I love coach . Just brushing past that moment , are you putting a napkin wrapped hand bone in your purse ?

Speaker 2

I didn't want . If I asked them , they said no , what was I supposed to do ? That If they were like we're not going to bring you a bag for a bone ?

Speaker 4

I just needed it right . That better for giving us some permission Done and done .

Speaker 3

Exactly so . Then Dell steps up to the window and she , she goes fuck . And then we don't know why , she says fuck . And we pivot , and Tracy is now working at the bus station and she goes , ah , fuck . And she goes , I'm going on break and her partner like you know , the other sort of worker at the bus stations like fuck , you is .

And she's like Rick's still doing this , meditating , and I'm like oh , my God isn't this great . This is like a little taste of Athens kind of moment , you know , like this is like oh , rick is meditating , like Derek is trying to push fish . You know that .

And again , the women have to deal with the fallout of whatever stupidity the men in their life are doing at any given time who are in charge , by the way , of course , because we're men . I just love it . I love the slice of life stuff . She's like Tracy like stops , turns back , sits down , fake smile how can I help you ? She says through gritted teeth .

Dell puts , smashes some money down on the on the counter . One way ticket to Los Angeles . Okay , so she's going to California . Apparently . Tracy says why are you going to California ? And and what is what does Dell respond with ? Why you got so many jobs Crack habit Jesus , to which Tracy says what I said it's on .

She puts the next window , please thing , and just goes storming out of the booth .

Speaker 4

This is so funny to me . I have to , I have to add something because it is very much in line with my cultural background , upbringing , whatever you want to call it . She doesn't just walk out there and say , okay , we're going to fight . She takes out her earrings . And when she did that , I was filled with a brand of glee .

And I need to do a whole bit about girl fights and how , like my buddies and I would just be like ecstatic that we stumbled upon a girl fight and be like , oh my . And so to me , like when she started taking out her earrings , I just cracked up because that's like a thing that is set . Like people will be like don't make me take out my earrings .

Speaker 3

Yeah , yeah , no for sure , that is not the beat that I thought you're going to say . I thought that the if you freeze frame , when , when Tracy walks out her co-worker Cheyenne , who is a black woman , has the funniest , the most like , surprised , look on her face and I'm like I thought this was such a great again . Another great .

Like I said , these little tiny beats are what make for great shows . The taking she's taking her earrings out made , made you love it when I , when I saw Wayne Glantz at the bike guy . I love that . This little moment where Cheyenne is like are you fucking serious right now ? Like , are you like we talk about ?

Like , oh , white men have such , you know so much privilege . This is a white woman about to go beat up a customer . The black woman is like are you like what I couldn't be ? Like ? You know many people Cheyenne probably wants to slap on a daily basis . That's right oh my God , so good outcomes .

Tracy bombing around , takes her thing Hope you got , and these are two lines I absolutely love , as she's taking her . Actually she's taking her earrings off . What does she say boss to Dell ?

Speaker 2

Hope you have Obamacare , bitch .

Speaker 3

And what ? And what does Dell say back ? I'm sorry , sorry , sorry . Bell , dell says , Dell says no , no .

Speaker 1

Tracy says the Dell hope you get hope you got Obamacare , bitch .

Speaker 3

And what is ? And what does Dell say back to her ? Hope you got Medicare , you old fuck .

Speaker 4

Slow clap .

Speaker 3

I'm like what .

Speaker 4

They are ready like they're each ready Like it's . They are so like in their own . As much as you talked about that look between bite guy and Wayne , like they have their own version of it . To double back to bosses point Like they are both ready and they are both like . The world may kick the shit out of me , but guess what ?

I'm not taking an ounce of shit from you , bitch , because it's because it's in your same right your same socio economic bracket .

Speaker 3

Right , so it's like we know the rules of our bracket you are . You're like what the fuck man ? Like you know you can't get away with that shit . It's not like , it's just like a rich woman from the suburbs Tracy's not gonna put up with no , she's an idiot , she's an airhead .

Different Perspectives, Violence, and Escalation

There are different schools of thought . Boss . Boss has a perspective like women are just as mean as men .

I know if Giuliano were watching us she would say this is a byproduct of women growing up in a man's world and then being indoctrinated into unnecessary , hyper male aggression in an effort to compete and , you know , go along , to get along in a world that they didn't create . But it's again different , different sort of strains of thought .

Nevertheless , they're squared off against each other . And then Tracy has a moment of like clarity . She goes what the fuck am I doing ? You're like 90 pounds . She gets it . Okay , this is , she are like 90 pounds . She's about to say soaking wet , which I love . I love that's a thing , coach , right , isn't that a term like you hear ?

So it's just a thing I soak in was like yeah , you're not even that actually like right , if you were like totally drenched in water to make you heavier , you'd be 90 pounds .

And she's about to get that out when Dell just absolutely pops her in the nose and then Tracy grabs her by the hair and they both , like it looks like actually Dell is getting the better of Tracy a little bit and right away we get . They just grapple .

Speaker 4

Well , the two there's . Well , there are a few things I love about this . One was this is no one's first rodeo and there's a book . Now , I'm right , I hope I don't fuck this up . Yeah , I taught this down these mean streets and it's set in Spanish Harlem blah , blah .

And one of the things that this guy's dad teaches him and I will paraphrase this , because I literally taught this in the last millennium is that if you punch a guy in the nose and he doesn't flinch , you got to fight on your hands , because not his first fight , right ?

Like there's something about getting punched in the nose , that's , if you've never been punching the nose or you're not accustomed to that , whatever , that is at least a pause in what is happening as you figure out what the what that pain was .

But if you punch somebody in the nose and they're ready to go , you got to fight on your hands , and so I thought it was a great choice to have Tracy punched in the nose and then go . I also wondered if she was this fight almost was this fight an unfair fight , because Dell is going all out and Tracy is still a little bit in .

I shouldn't beat this little girl up mode Like she's balancing this bitch , has it coming and I'm using her language , not that I throw around that word a ton and is she balancing that with ? I shouldn't beat up , or essentially , a child .

Speaker 3

Yes , but that right ? Which of these ?

Speaker 4

is right .

Speaker 3

A child who said thank you Tracy . Like a total bitch , right In the diner , right , like that's , like exact , like . That is the definition of a bitchy thing to say in this colloquialism of when we use that term . Right , we don't love that term . It's been normalized more by the fact that Ted Lasso normalized it a little bit .

I was like hmm , okay , but but in , yeah , we talked about this , but we have to go back and replay it , but in general . And then boss , boss talked about it too , but in general , like what we think of that term and what we ascribe as a trait associated with that term , 100% Dell was that while she chirped at Tracy when she walked away .

So there is that .

Then the cops roll up and then we do a fast cut and we do a fast cut to an establishing shot of like the stupid , like olive drab , olive , olive green , go cart , go cart , a golf cart thing parked outside of a nondescript wooden barn house , like it looks like the utility barn that you might find on a , on a , on a standard New England golf course .

Terrifying , I have that thing where I go drive . I'll drive and I'll like see a house , and then in behind the house I'll see like a little like kind of additional house thing and I'm like whoa , I get all creeped out . I'm like nobody knows what goes on back . It's so creepy , you know , it's weird to me out .

Anyway , this is where the Tarantino sort of vibe is . Now we cut into Wayne . His face is dried , blood streaked across , streaked across his face , in in like these little sort of lumpy . I love the coloration of the , of the , of the wounds on his face , which I thought were really good because , like sometimes they make them too red .

It's like really dark brownish red . It's like really really good . They did a great job with it . Wayne wakes up , he comes into focus and as soon as his eyes focus , we're in a subjective camera shot from Wayne's POV . And he is looking at this . This lead fucking , what's his name ? Again Lee , lee fucking Murray .

And Lee fucking Murray says motherfucker , you know it's illegal , right , what you did , trespassing . You came , you came at me , so this is on you bitch . But he's obviously spinning out he . We get an insert of his hand on the on the shotgun . It's got a sticker on it that says damp , stank , like you do .

And and he , he cycles the round through and shoots the , the spent cartridge out of the , out of shotgun , picks it up , and so this is like this is what's interesting . You go okay , why did he do this ? Why are they establishing this ? Why are they doing an insert ? He says okay . So Wayne says you're going to shoot me again .

And Lee fucking Murray says , holding up the spent cartridges , these are fucking rock salt , these aren't real bullets , so don't go around telling people so like it's like we telling people like what ?

And Wayne , of course , astutely , as he tries to sum up the situation , goes and those are like the other ones that you have in the desk Right , clearly not rock salt . The guy loads it in and he goes . He exhales and goes you really fucked shit up for me , my dude , oh my God , this dude , wayne fucking Murray , who is it ? Who is it ?

I got to look it up real fast . Who is the boss ? Obviously , this is . This is the dude getting fully unhinged . And you know this is a . When we talked about coach and I terrified of people like this , we say , like you know this , what you know , wayne has to like he really is where we would be , which is like you're not going to reason with this .

You got to fight your way out of this right coach .

Speaker 4

Oh for sure , Like Lee fucking .

Speaker 3

Wayne , wayne fucking Murray . Sorry , lee fucking Murray . Go ahead , coach , I'm sorry .

Speaker 4

But no , no , no , but he , yeah , no , you , he's insane and and and also sort of inept in his insanity . Yes , so that's part of the problem too .

Like it's like I'm trying to think , like where I heard , but essentially there's a thing of like people who do terror , shit , who will really do this stuff , like they know exactly how to negotiate and they're like , oh yeah , and then I'll give you this and you'll give me that , and then I get away , or right , like the kind of like they know the routine .

The people my understanding is , the negotiators really get nervous when it's some , you know , lunatic , rank , amateur who they're like oh Jesus , now , like you might really shoot somebody .

Like you know you don't know the routine , you don't know how to do all of this , so you may really fuck this up and cause extra damage and that was a sense I got here is like you're an idiot and you don't know what you're doing . You didn't even know that the rock salt could do what it did , so now you're freaking out . This is not good .

Definitely he has to get Lee has I mean he has to get Wayne , has to get away from Lee . But it's not gonna end well .

Speaker 3

I want to point out Lee Murray is played by Julian Robino . I thought an excellent job , like very , very on point , like exactly how really captured the essence of this type of of human being are either one of you Is this the first time you've heard of rock salt in a weapon before

Lee Murray's Violent Situation

? Or have you heard no boss shaking her head ? No , no , no .

Speaker 4

Yeah , I wasn't familiar . I mean it's made sense , but I don't I could . I didn't sound familiar to me . I thought it was going to be some sort of dummy round , but I didn't think . I didn't know that rock .

Speaker 3

I feel like I grew up with hearing like a lot of people loading shotguns with rock salt to scare kids away , like you'd hear about it at like dumps , like things like , or like what do you like ? Places where they put car , like old cars , what do you like ?

I can't think of the term right now Junk , junk yard , junk yard yeah , why would it go , junk yard ? And so like you would hear people like defending that with rock salt kind of thing . But I've never experienced firsthand .

So you really fucked it up for me , my dude , because you know these lows , they usually don't do with that one to your face and Wayne is looking . He's like knocking you out . You must have caught a big piece or something .

Wayne is looking around trying to like scope the situation , because worse I ever did is put a few ugly holes in an ass , which is what you hear . That's like what rocks out to shoot people in the ass as they go and make them remember you kind of thing . He's breathing heavily . He's like nearly hyperventilating . What the fuck ?

He turns around and kicks a chair over . You do not want to be in this situation when it's tied to a chair or hands bound behind him , just waking up from being concussed , probably by being not you know basically knocked out by a point blank shot . And he's looking around . I'm fairly upset , says Lee fucking Mary , to which Wayne says what coach ?

Speaker 4

Me too .

Speaker 3

Yeah , like deadly calm . Deadly calm . Me too . I'm like , oh God , that's an upset . You don't want Lee Murray . He says so here's what's up . You say anything to anybody and something happens to me because of this Law wise or whatnot ? I really love the use of whatnot because that is a very , very New England thing .

I have a friend who says whatnot , like my captain's doing buddy Every other third word as well as what not . Oh , we can have a invite you over for Thanksgiving on a Kamala Thanksgiving dinner . Have some cranberry sauce and whatnot , like okay every other word is whatnot . And when Lee Murray says , I mean I got boys , which coach ?

You see that line , he's got boys . Yeah , yeah , I don't know if he's got boys , this seems like I wasn't sure if I could believe him .

Speaker 4

But yeah , we all say people need boys .

Speaker 3

I don't think Lee Murray's got boys . I got boys and those motherfuckers will come to your house , your family , and then you know it's out of my hands . I'm like this is a guy who seemed good with hunting , like one too many times he wishes he had boys , but instead he's got a satanic girlfriend who comes in at this time . He turns the gun on her .

Why is he still here ? I thought I totally take care of it . Okay Now , what are you guys thinking at this point ? Are you like just along for the ride ? Are you going ? What the hell is put Like ? Where are you at this ?

Speaker 2

point . So , based on the fact that I've been watching TV since I was an extremely small child , I didn't think that this was serious . Okay , like I did not believe that Wayne and Dell were not making it up here . That didn't seem like a possibility .

It did seem like something that was going to need to be taken care of and it seemed like as much as Lee fucking Murray is an entitled piece of shit with the way that he's dealing with this , and there is a level of entitlement . It is that he is supposed to be able to bully other people and they are not supposed to cause him any trouble because of that .

His job says I get to fuck with people , it's . You know .

I last week on the show a cast , and you talked about a police officer in your town who was extremely great and is the kind of officer that you want , and Lee fucking Murray is the kind that you fucking do not want , because when you give them the permission to use , for when you give somebody who wants to beat the shit out of somebody the permission to do

that , nothing good comes out of it . It absolutely never . Yes , so I worried a lot about him , but when she came in I was like , oh , this is . This is either where shit is going to get extremely fucked up or how things are going to break bad for them . Because , as much as he is entitled , he does know what he wants .

Like there is a little bit of a method to the madness with him . Even though he want , what he wants is to shoot somebody , but in a way to get away with it , and what she wants is to burn the fucking world out . Like she is much more the wild card in this situation than he is .

Gun Ownership

Speaker 3

There is a thing when you give a man a gun and I can't speak for women , but I know I can apply this to men and there's a great little tiny thing that everybody forgets about in the movie Grand Canyon either one of you ever seen Grand Canyon ?

Okay , there's this great scene where Kevin Klein and it gets his his , I think he goes to a Lakers I forget what he was . He's in LA and his car pulls over because car fails in a bad part of town and he's like , oh shit . And then some some gang bangers roll up on him and and he's like , scared out of his mind he's got a Mercedes or whatever .

And then a tow truck driver pulls up and starts loading his car onto the tow truck Right , and it's run . It's a Danny Glover , I think , is the tow truck driver of memory . So I haven't seen it in like 20 years .

But there's this one beat where Danny Glover is showing deference to like the leader of this crew of guys and he's like , listen , it's already on my thing . If I drop it off , it's going to be insurance problem . He basically saved Kevin kind's life and and the gang the young like kind of thuggy gang dude says to him .

Let me ask you a question , like you saying this to me because you respect me , or you say this to me because I got a gun and Danny Glover goes you know what ? You don't . You don't have that gun . We have this conversation and the kid goes see , that's why I always have the gun and I'm like that is what right ? Coach is nodding Yep , that's it .

That is the mentality . So in this beat , lee Murray thinks he has earned the right . Like how dare Wayne stepped to him or tell him put the gun down ? Like is he out of his mind ? Like he did this not his fault , not Lee Murray's fault . Lee Murray is like the . He's the sheriff of the golf course .

It's this fucking mongrel horde you know this this like barbarian that thinks he can just walk on the grass willy nilly and then walk towards a man with a gun . That's the stupidest fucking thing you ever do . Of course he had to shoot him like duh , and now he's trying to figure this out in his pee brain of a mind .

And then in comes kind of Tio Horn , as Kira Lee says . That's Kira , my old lady , both because she's my girlfriend and the fact that she's like 30 .

Speaker 4

Also funny .

Speaker 3

I was like shut the fuck up , I got you some veggie curry from that place you like ? Listen , you don't need that , you do not need that . Every but right coach . Like , how fast is that line taken out of every other ? Everything Right , and that's what gives shows flavor . That I promise you .

If you put this through the studio system , it's like amazing , this , this happened . This show was made when YouTube read and wait , youtube read yeah , they launched YouTube read and they gave a bunch of .

This was like everybody is like content is king , everybody wants into the content game , because when you have the content and you own , then you can have sell the licensing . You make it once and then you , you live off of it forever .

So lots of people were getting into the we got to make our own content thing and so they gave some carte blanche to several filmmakers . And I only know this because one of our close friends got a deal at the same time on the same platform , and so a line like I got you some veggie curry from that place , you like it . It has no bearing on anything .

Lee says she's a vegan and a Satanist . She says , so what happened to our plan ? Well , I think he got the message . I mean you got the message right , kid . He says to Wayne Wayne says nothing , right ? Kara says we talked about this . We can't let him go . Baby , he's going to be cool because he doesn't like , he's not really down with murdering it , yeah .

Speaker 4

Yeah Right , he's like oh God she says , she points out a rock salt guy .

Speaker 2

I'm not really a rock salt guy .

Speaker 3

I love that she says you just got that fucking bracelet off your ankle , lee Don't even want to go back and said lose your go-to job . The way her accent is , her name is . Her first name is K-A-N-I-E-H-T-I-I-O .

So I don't know if I'm kind of TO , I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right , but whatever nationality that she is , it was so right because she has the Boston accent .

But she also has her ethnic accent too , sort of behind it , propping it up , which is really common , and I heard that all the time in different parts of inner cities that I would work in in this area . And so she says that you want to lose your go-to job . He's not going to say anything . She says look at him . Look at him , he's a goddamn kid .

You think his parents are just going to be like oh yeah , no questions asked , just finish your fucking cereal . And then , if he goes to the hospital and the doctor asks him what happened , he's like 15 and Wayne finally corrects him 16 . He's going to start balling , okay . So , coach , she is clearly advocating for like to end him .

Yeah , yeah , and the and the she's her tool to do that is she's she's reasoning with this unreasonable idiot . But also . Then she starts to put on the full , full , full heart press . He's going to start bawling . She says no , no , you promised me .

You swore to me in front of your fucking mother that we were going to go out West , we were going to turn this shit around right , the promise of a brand new day . We were going to play the prices right and win a whole bunch of money and start over . You promised me we're going to win the motherfucking prices right .

Speaker 4

I loved so many levels of this we talked about when we got into the whole Hagler piece and talked about you know , tommy Herron's above on the episode , the , the , the dreams people can and do latch onto , which is you get older , you realize like that's a , that's not a plan , guys . I don't know Like it's , it's not even really a dream .

I don't even know what to call . We're going to pack up and go West and win enough money on the prices right , to make our lives right . Like I don't know what to call that . But it is not a plan , it is insane . And what are we talking about ? Right , but they totally and

Dreams, Judgments, and Second Chances

then and then .

Speaker 3

Sometimes it works out , coach Right , like sometimes you have Keely Jones and Roy Kent on your wall and then they become your best friend and your girlfriend , I'm like I don't you know what I mean . So it's like sometimes , if you poo poo the wrong dream , right , you're right , though Like you go , this is not a plan , like that's not a plan .

No this is yeah , there's also .

Speaker 2

no , there's also a plan , is something you can work towards , and this is a fantasy . You can't do anything to make yourself get picked on the prices right or win on the prices right . If you are Jamie Tartt , you could work your ass off every day from now until the rest of your life to become the sort of player that would meet those people .

This is this is the fantasy of a couple of desperate kids sort of , who have nothing else to go on .

Speaker 3

One of them is third .

Speaker 2

I'm going to win the lottery and then my life will be okay , yeah .

Speaker 4

Yeah , it is the equivalent of we'll hit the lottery . I have an idea . Let's play the lottery .

Speaker 3

All right . So these two kids have a beautiful dream of going out West winning the prices , right , you know , it's really quintessential American dream . You get good at the prices , right , you can get . Sometimes you see people who don't know how to play .

I haven't watched it in years , but I remember years ago when I like knew about it , I was like , obviously you're over . Or if there was like all these things where it's like you could , if you have three idiots , you know , they're like , okay , here's a boat and someone's like 299 and someone's like 304 and someone's like 310 .

You're like , oh my God , like it seems like it's going to be higher or lower than that . You know what I mean . Like . So you just go 311 and then you're going to . You have the chance at anything above that wins . So it blows my mind when you have people playing prices right , I haven't watched it since the Drew Carey .

Isn't it Drew Carey now , or is it ?

Speaker 2

It is . It is Drew Carey now .

Speaker 3

You might have even moved on past the Drew Carey . I don't know if he's . Is he still doing it ? I don't know . I haven't seen it in years .

Speaker 2

I think he is still doing it . I haven't seen it in years either . I have an unfair bias against the prices right . I don't know why . It shouldn't make me sad . I shouldn't be judging this .

People are allowed to have whatever sort of dreams they want to , but there was always something about people that said , like it's always been my dream to go to , to come on the prices right , to meet you , bob Barker . There was something about when they said , like I dreamt about coming to Burbank and meeting you , that I was like dream .

You owe it to yourself to dream bigger and that's I shouldn't be judging . That was just like an emotional reaction .

And then the last time that I saw the prices right oh man , you guys are going to hate me so much I was in a planned parenthood , in a planned parenthood , waiting to get an abortion pill and on the TV was the prices right and I was like this is the most depressing thing that's ever happened . This is it .

Speaker 4

This is it right now , coach , I think . I think coach is in the process of dying . Listen . I've never watched a person die , so I can't guarantee that that's what's happening here .

Speaker 3

I don't know if you're referring to the whole situation of being in the office to get the pill and watching .

Speaker 2

Yeah , all of it .

Speaker 3

I don't know anybody that can't be cheered up by a good showcase showdown win , but that's fine .

Speaker 2

And , honestly , there was not a single part of me that felt sad about the procedure . I was like , no , let's go do this , we're done , let's fucking clear this up right now . I felt fine about that . I was just like , oh wow , this is going to be in a screenplay later . This exact scene is my habit .

Speaker 3

Listen , if it wasn't a screenplay , most executives would take it out . I'm just telling you not to malign every executive .

Speaker 1

But I will tell you that there's little slice of life moments when they're looking for cuts .

Speaker 3

Do we really need the lady in the thing waiting for the pill and looking at the prices ? Right , we're not to pay for the prices . Right , we're not to get those licensing rights . You know what I mean , but you're like no , no , trust me , this is a little slice of life moment that really works and they're always in the kill zone in my experience .

I think coach would back me up on that , but we should . Ok , now we get this little beat here , we should give him another chance . You want to give him a fucking chance ? All right , we're going to play a fucking game . The coach literally went oh God , when we were watching . He's like gosh , because she pulls out a knife .

Speaker 4

And I , yeah , in my heart , I knew where this was going and I was like really , we're doing this , we're going straight to the alien .

Speaker 3

Sure , we'll give him another chance Now . Second , she does a switchblade . Any one of you either on a switchblade , either one of you ever on a switchblade . No , I was never a switchblade I used to go to school trips in Europe and I bought so many goddamn switchblades over the I had like 10 .

I had a stiletto that comes out of the thing , shoots out , and then , yeah , so I had like I wonder whatever happened to this . I think it probably in my mom's basement somewhere still , but like like just crazy , I had like a seven inch switchblade . The thing was like it's like a katana no , it was huge , it's fun .

If you're a kid , you're like , oh , this is so cool , it's a . You know , it's a , it's a something to talk with your friends about . But , like , I mean , who needs a switchblade ? Anyway , she has a switchblade and she says we're going to play a fucking game . We get a two shot of them . Then she hammers it , stabs it into the top of the tape .

All right , so all right , let's , we're going to it's . It's so bizarre , it's like okay , first of all , let's talk about chances . Chance , second chances are definitely a theme on this particular episode . It's something that I always like to think about . Like , when you give someone a second chance , it tends to be it's like an empowering or disempowering thing .

It's like someone is arbitrarily deciding on your second chance . Something about that sometimes rubs me the wrong way , because I often think , like man , it's frustrating the people that get to decide on the second chance . So , like , I'll give an example . I get pulled over . I think , oh shit , now my insurance is going to go up , or something like that .

Right Coach gets pulled over . He thinks I might die . Now , right , Like I might die . And so , for real , right . We've talked about this many times Now .

The guy walks up , let's say it's male police officer , let's say , right , goes up to me and goes , hey , oh , you know you're speeding or your light is out or whatever , right , and he goes all right , you're good , right . Him arbitrarily giving the second chance , sometimes piss , I'm like why ?

So like , if I , if you didn't like me , if you didn't look at me , you know what I'm saying . So it's like you have now this , this artificial , it's this nether world sort of , you know , it's a judgment call , fuck your judgment call . You know what I mean .

Like , oh , yeah , my light is out , fine , you want to cite me for that and I'll go get it fixed . But like it kind of like makes me crazy sometimes how things fall through the cracks . So now this person , kira , gets to decide on the advice of counsel Lee fucking Murray decides to give this dude a second chance .

She doesn't know some kid that Lee shot in the face , that she is advocating should be murdered . She's going to give him a second chance and she stabs a knife into the table . It's almost like , it's almost so , god awful , it breaks your heart . Do you know what is happening ?

Speaker 2

So I would just very quickly like to point out that the I think what you were feeling is similar to what I was feeling when Tracy was saying to Dell , you look a little too young for that coffee . Like who the fuck are you to make that call ? Why you're a waitress ? Like your job is to get me what I ask you for .

Your job is not to tell me what I'm supposed to be eating right now , and so I think that there's actually more of a similarity there . You felt like you didn't understand the aggression towards Tracy whatsoever , but like that sort of I get that feeling in both ways . We're like who the fuck are you to ?

judge Either the cop giving you the thing off or Tracy , both of them Same way , I'm like it's like outsized power yeah .

Speaker 3

I see what you're saying , but I deeply resent you trying to build bridges of communication with me .

Speaker 4

You couldn't build , jeff fucking bridges .

Speaker 3

So we cut to the aftermath of the scene , where the cops broke up the fight between Dell and Tracy . Dell hands over Tracy's . What do you call it ? What is that ? It's extension . Isn't there another term , weft or ? something Whatever I can't think of the right term . But yeah , extension , it's like a Tracy had an extension that Dell pulled out .

They're just sort of Tracy especially is looking at wounds . Please , we get the stuff , please check your tickets , and blah , blah , blah , blah .

Emotional Reflections on Foster Care Experience

Tracy says where's your parents ? I don't know Where's your parents , I don't know . So Tracy again relents like she's like oh , I'm not going to . Why would I do this ? Even though she is still from this sector of the universe and this socioeconomic level and this sort of position of relative helplessness and being used as a sort of a punching bag of life .

Much like Dell , she is at least trying to have some kind resolution of sorts . Dell does not know how to do this trick yet because she is young and full of vinegar . I don't know Where's your parents , dell says . Tracy says I don't have any foster kid . You ever had to do that . Dell says nothing .

I always felt it always felt like a job interview , but for like love or something .

Speaker 4

That line hit me , I reacted to it and yeah , I don't know , maybe I'm in a space in my life where these kinds of lines hit me because I feel like several times now recently , like that , but a job interview , but for like love or something , and I never really thought of that before .

I mean , I've thought about being where it must be like to be a foster kid and like , well , will this be my family someday ? Or like this definitely won't be my family someday While I'm here , what will it be like , all that kind of stuff .

But when I think of a job interview even job interviews like whether it's for a job I want or a job I don't really want but have to go get or whatever I don't like being on a job interview and to think like your whole existence for a period of time is a job interview kind of really go , yeah , that must really suck , that must really suck .

Speaker 3

I wasn't sure about it , but like it felt a little oversharing where I was , like I was first lying in this thing where I didn't fully believe like if you want to take me down the absurdist spectacle of Lee fucking Murray , I'll go with you , because I know it's absurd and I know it's like you're doing a thing , like again you're doing that Tarantino spider in

the fly thing . I get it this . Do I believe that Tracy is going to open up to Dell ? It's harder for me I'm not saying that it's not accurate , but it felt like they hadn't had a resolution to get them to a place where she can do this confessional .

But then I thought you know what , if Tracy literally has no one to talk to , which she probably doesn't , then maybe this is as close as she can get to an understanding person , even though very clearly Dell is still in a hostile sort of posturing towards Tracy . So go ahead , go ahead , coach .

Speaker 4

I also sorry . I also feel like Tracy . I mean , I think this is like my greatest insight ever . Tracy sees herself in Dell and so I think in some ways she's like part of me , part of Tracy's continual . I'm going to be human towards you . I'm going to behave in a way of like somebody taking care of you , and for me it felt like okay .

I know you're acting all tough and I know you're saying I'm too old for this choker , because you know that's like a good insult against a woman , and I know all these things . I know you're doing this and I also know I know what's inside .

I don't know how you really use it , but , to reference back to the phrase you gave us , I know what's inside your glass frog , not because I can see through you , but because I've already been you .

Speaker 2

This felt finally , like she previously . It felt like she was trying to mother or adult still , and this is where she was trying to be like , oh no , like actually I do get like there is something about having any outsider come in and try to explain your life .

Speaker 3

Do I fucking know you ?

Speaker 2

Or you're like I'm fucking sorry , wait what ? Like ? No , yeah , do I fucking like and I know obviously that comes off as defensive , but also it's because you usually have a lot of very well meaning but very unfamiliar people teachers , whoever else that are like oh no , I totally get where you're coming from .

And then you tell them one thing and they like look at you like you're a fucking alien , like I'm sorry , you have how many dead parents ? And you're like yeah , man , like do you want to ? Do you want to talk to me or do you want me to let you know what's going on here ? Because you don't actually know what you're talking about .

So I do think that her at least saying like I kind of get what you're talking about , like I'm not trying to boss you around to actually know what you're saying .

Speaker 3

Right , very true and absolutely right . How many times has Dell heard well , can you tell your mommy to like give me a call and we'll figure it out ? And Dell's , like , give me a fucking right . You know what I mean . Like you have no idea what I have to contend with . So Tracy continues . And also like a job interview , but for like love or something .

And I tried . You know , like , get good grades , look real pretty , be good . That kind of hurt my eyes . Like , oh , like it's so eight different families deep . I decided , fuck this , like what we just talked about , the fuck this right which is like in a way right , but also like oh fuck , maybe that eighth family would have been . You just don't know .

How can anyone know ? And again I say fuck . This is rife with consequence . Whether or not you know it's what the doctor ordered at any given time is up for debate , and it's all situational . So go ahead yeah .

Speaker 4

I quickly , I wanted to toss it because the fuck this reminds me of it , because I've shared enough of my therapy that I don't know if you can have a hip of violation for yourself , but if you can , I'm in trouble . But Jesus , but I had a thing I would do . And coaches you know see my temper . But I had a thing I would do .

I'll say whatever about whatever it is . Like you know , some shit would happen . I'd be like whatever , I'm going to die . Yes , I didn't really meet .

What I came to with my therapist that we like unpacked and worked on is I didn't really mean whatever I meant exactly I'm going to like yes , store that , I'm not going to deal with that , I'm just going to store it and it would leave .

And to me , fuck this isn't the same as whatever , but it has some of the same function , which is like it's a sort of like overarching , general thing to say I'm either above it or more powerful . Like fuck this is , I don't need you , I don't need anybody . And I'm not so sure Tracy didn't need anybody .

There's a reason she got the grades and there's a reason she tried to look pretty and that finally she gave up on it . I don't believe that . I don't believe that Dell doesn't want weighing in the stupid jacket in her life . But it's easier to say fuck this than to risk that .

I'm going to ask you to go get whatever the next set of tampons is and instead of disappearing for an hour , you're going to disappear forever . It's just easier to say fuck this and walk away . Fuck this means you're not vulnerable . I mean eight different families . Yeah , you're perfectly invulnerable . Yeah , that's the thing .

Speaker 3

Eight different families deep by decide fuck this , I'm going to be the one to leave before they say go . That means seven other families had given her a test run when she was trying to get good grades , look real pretty and be good , and said no and rejected her that is heart wrenching oh my God , that is so sad to even consider .

But you admire the agency of that and to say I refuse to be shit on anymore , I'm done . So there's a beat there . And then Tracy says he hates coffee .

Speaker 2

So I think that the issue is we talk about giving people enough of a chance in order to prove themselves to you to come through for you when you need them to come through , and you can't cut people off before they make the attempt , because you need to give them a chance to prove that they can do it .

And we also say that insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different outcome , and there has to be some space in between that where that is the reality of a situation .

I'm not saying that Tracy should have given up on hoping that she would find a foster family , but I also think that if you go into a situation thinking they are going to be my forever family , they are going to love me , they are going to take care of me forever , and they don't , that's going to be significantly worse than going into a situation and saying I

might not be here forever . I'm going to try to make the best of it the way that it is . I'm going to see how they roll , but I'm not going to plan on them being my forever family , because it's only going to be worse for me when that doesn't happen .

So I don't want to pretend that what she did wasn't smart or appropriate for the situation Like sabotaging yourself is always a bad idea , but also realistically saying like I'm going to go on a date with this guy and maybe it'll work out and maybe it won't , but I'm not going to beat myself up if we don't end up getting married three years from now .

Like you can sort of put yourself in between both of those places where you're remaining open enough you could let it happen , but you're not going to be devastated that it doesn't .

Speaker 3

I hear that I'm not smart enough to think , and then along silence .

Speaker 2

Tracy , that requires planning , thought . Yeah , no , someone disagreed with me .

Speaker 3

Okay , so he hates coffee . She says Delsa's what , she's your boyfriend . I tried to pour him another cup and he acted like I pissed in it Again . I like the language . I like the choice of language . It's very uncouth for her to say piss Like you're a waitress . We don't talk about pissing in coffee . That is so , it's not .

You know , it's a feels like a lower tier of language in a very graphic example , I think .

Speaker 4

And it's really the other end of the spectrum from what we . You know , coach , you would walk through this in terms of Rebecca of like she knows when to shake hands , she knows when each thing is supposed to be said and how to be said . Yes , and I think these you know almost euphemistic ways of capturing whatever it is .

But there's also something real and accurate , Like you know , I've heard that , I heard to my it was the funniest thing . I said it for a long time was like oh so , and so acts like I farted on their best suit playing basketball , and if somebody's like not getting the ball passed to them , I remember like somebody saying , like what ?

I got shit on my hands which I thought was like just so goddamn funny and captured the feeling to like what ? What's going on here , you know . And so when she said you know , for her to say like I pissed in it sure it's uncouth , but it also captures exactly what his reaction was . He was revolted .

He was revolted by coffee which , by the way , he sat in front of you and drank three cups of this because he wants to be your boyfriend or he is your boyfriend and he likes you that much that he just wanted to do whatever it is you were doing , so because I don't think it should be dismissed .

It's different and , yes , it is often uncouth , but it's also often , I find , more accurate or , in an emotional way , more on target than our more you know glossy ways of capturing some of these ideas .

Speaker 3

It certainly hits home . You certainly get there's no , there's no nuance there . You know what she's saying .

Speaker 4

That's right , you get it , you get it .

Speaker 3

And so what does she say to you ? What is ? How does Dell respond , boss ? What does she say Stay out of my business . Stay out of my business Again . She only knows defense . She only knows withdrawal , she only knows , you know , putting up a strong outside perimeter .

This type of what experience does she have with an older woman Having a real heart to heart , having like an honest conversation that actually you can see her listening , despite her reticence to let Tracy know you see her listening . And then , as the episode goes on , we find out that she did certainly listen to this .

The Importance of Being Vulnerable

Tracy says listen , I'm 40 . One .

Speaker 4

Oh , I loved it . Right , I love that . Isn't that a great beat there ? That's great .

Speaker 3

That reminded me of the beat where Nate says you know , it was like mostly my fault , and he's like actually , it was all my fault , right , and this is like a like , a transformational thing . When you're like I'm going to keep lying to myself and actually no , I'm not going to I'm going to say I am 41 .

I have a new job every two weeks and a new boyfriend at every other . Just don't blow everything up before it has the chance to maybe be good .

Speaker 4

Which is scary . That's like yeah , it's like hey kid whose life has obviously been hard as shit at the . You know at the point that the minute anyone makes a comment to you , you're ready to crush them . I think you should try being vulnerable . You think what it's like , it's pretty . You know it's pretty revolutionary , give me a chance .

Speaker 3

Yeah , yeah , it really is .

Speaker 2

I think the only thing she's not wrong . Tracy is not wrong . I'm not pretending that she's wrong , but also she needed to come at it from this angle from the beginning , because what it felt like when she said are you two ? Are you old enough to be having coffee ?

It's not like girl , I have been there and you were going to fuck up your life if you keep doing this . She isn't coming from a . Don't do what I did . She was coming from a . This is how you're supposed to do things . So having this amount of honesty from Tracy actually made it much more understandable that Dell would be listening .

Because when you tell somebody oh I know better than you fucking , how do you know better than me ? Prove it . Why do you think you know better than me ? When she says , well , because I fucked up my entire life so I could tell you exactly which steps not to do , then Dell finally could listen to it .

But I don't think that Tracy was coming at it the right way before this . This is the first time when she was actually being honest enough that Dell could understand why she was saying what she was saying .

Speaker 4

Yeah , I agree with that and think that would be a very complicated place , or certainly very . Yeah , it would be a very . You'd have to be pretty deft , I guess , is the right word to be able to start there . But yes , I hear what you're saying and I think it does make a difference to say like I've blown it .

There's a , because I mean any well-read person references Martin , the show , no , no , but really there was an episode where he's being a fucking idiot and he breaks up with Gina and he's like quote unquote , like celebrating all this freedom he now has , and he ends up hanging out with these older guys who they're not losers , but it's like what are you doing ?

And finally he has guys over and they play cards and as they're leaving , one last guy stays behind . He's like I know you must hang out with us and think we're a bunch of old fools . And he said maybe he goes . But let me tell you , old fools were young fools . Once it was like a great . I was like quality , piece of fucking right .

I remember in real time being like nice , and this has a little of that to it . Like , look like I get it . You can make fun of my choker and you can tell me I look old and you use sharp as shit . But at the end of the day , don't go fucking up your life being so hard that you don't let anything good in . And I was like I really like that .

Speaker 3

I love that . I love that you said that and I think that's that's . I love that . See , this is a theme that I think it resonates with a lot of us . I know for me , you know I start to think of Neil Young and old man , look at my life . I'm a lot like you were like like this distinction between we're similar , but you've already walked the road .

You know there's there's some I don't know it's got , it's got legs , and we can definitely discuss it more as as the episode goes on , I'm going to leave it there today . I like that as a as a thing we can think about in the interim . Just don't blow everything up before there's a chance to maybe be good .

It's so sad that that might be the best you can get is is the uncertainty of maybe something good if you hold out betting against a catastrophic disaster . You know what I mean . It's just like oh , these are the options . Like , really Like this is what this ? Is what I got .

It doesn't seem fair , but one of the one of the themes I really love about Wayne is is fairness , justice , things like that . There are these , these elements of the story that really really sort of are powerful through lines throughout the whole series . I want to thank everybody for for joining us for this . We will finish up Wayne season two .

Sorry , season one , episode two . No priests in our next Wayne Wednesday Coach . Where do people find you if they want to find you ?

Speaker 4

The podcast unstuck AF wherever you get your podcasts . We are lining up our fourth season . I am really I was never sure that I was going to make it to eight full episodes , so I'm kind of beside myself . They were talking about a fourth season . Check out the episodes . Just amazing people sharing some really beautiful and sometimes rough lessons from their lives .

But I think we all end up better off for hearing the stories .

Speaker 3

No doubt , Boss . What about you ?

Speaker 2

Still on Twitter and still at Blue Sky , at Dumbly underscore chambers and also hopefully figuring out some time this week to write another post at the antagonist , which is antagonistblogcom . In the meantime , there's still plenty of other good stuff and my old post about guys in stupid hats . I always check that out .

Speaker 3

Thank you , boss . Yeah , I want to thank . I want to send a shout of thanks out to Buttercup Megan , who you emailed us to talk about how much she loves Wayne and how the themes really resonate with her , and I know she runs every morning with us in her ear . Sometimes we hear about you guys listening to us through the day as you're working .

We hear people doing the dishes , we hear people full of laundry . Megan does her exercise and she says that it helps her get her exercise done . So , on behalf of coach , what do you say to somebody exercising to this deep dive podcast ? What do you think of that ?

Speaker 4

I love it . Now I'm even more fired up . I'll try to sneak in some motivational speeches here and there for you , but that's awesome .

Speaker 3

Yeah , and Megan , thank you for your wonderful email and for thinking of us as you're doing your exercise To everybody

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We have a great lineup of shows coming to you after Ted Lasso is done , so please stick with us and until next time we are rich .

Speaker 4

Rich man Till we die .

Speaker 3

It feels I don't . I sometimes it feels weird when we do Wayne and then we're still rich man till we die . But I kind of love it . I think it's right . Yeah , because I I thought it wrote too .

Speaker 2

Why don't you keep mine in your own fucking business ? What ?

Speaker 4

about that . I like it . What that ?

Speaker 3

Stay the hell out of my business . Okay then , where are you from ? None of your business .

Speaker 2

Yeah , don't worry about it .

Speaker 3

That was a . It was a very personal question it's there , it's there All right , thanks everybody .

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