¶ Analyzing the Show "Wayne" Concept
Okay , welcome back everyone . Welcome back to our butter cups and our listeners . We are deep diving , wayne . Season one , episode two no , priests , I'm your host , coach castleton , with me , as always , as coach Bishop .
That was um mm-hmm yeah .
Thanks , coach , and of course , with us is our boss , emily Chambers guys , good news I still don't have cancer good .
Glad to hear that .
That is . That is good . Um , listen , we're gonna , we're gonna . We're gonna jump into this pretty quickly . I want to say I Want to thank all the butter cops and all the listeners who have written in . I appreciate Everyone's sticking with us . I know that Wayne feels tonally very different from Ted .
Last , I really I understand that the Experiential part of it , the part that we're trying to get to . There is a , there is a method to our madness and the thing that I want people to understand is like the , the shows that we cover , the shows we're going to cover , there will be a pendulum . It will swing .
Sometimes it's gonna be focusing on one element of the Ted lasso experience , sometimes gonna be focusing on another element . I can sit here and tell you what I want you to get out of Wayne . I could do that . It feels like cheating a little bit . I there is .
There are quite a few things I'd like you to get out of , wayne as a listener , but the biggest thing is to come at it from a place of curiosity and not being judgmental .
Beauty hides in the strangest places and before we saw Ted lasso , before Ted lasso was part of our experience , we had no idea that this was a place we would find joy and happiness in , and I challenge people to stick with us through the Wayne experience To see if you can find a similar type of beauty in I , I would second that encouragement and I'm I am
only Millimeters ahead of the buttercups because it's new to me .
You're introducing me to it as well .
I will say and , and , and , to just extend this to those buttercups out there who were really Concerned about the safety of Coach Castleton's family and anyone he loves , and and I am recognizing that my , specifically the violence that my , I am guessing that if you were to that I'm above the median intolerance for violence amongst Ted lasso viewers .
So I don't know if we want to like give some heads up , going into stuff like hey , you might want to look out for x , y or z , but there were definitely a couple moments why I thought , oh dear , that is a lot , hello .
So anyway , I'm just gonna , I'm gonna put that on the or for those of you who maybe fast forward or peek through your fingers , don't you know , maybe we can kind of Allow for that , because they were definitely some .
Again , my , my talents level , I'm like alright , here's what we're doing , but I could definitely see someone saying this is pretty freaking , far from Randy Doha's and Whoo yeah , even at his most violent , this is still above and beyond , but actually I so I get both of your points .
On the one hand , I think totally there are some theme . Not totally , I should say thematically there are some issues about connection and loneliness and Working to become a better person , than those types of things totally , completely all over the place .
I think it's what actually draws most people to shows like that , though I did a post On the antagonist , because I do write things sometimes about how , if you love Ted Lasso , you should watch the bear , and I feel like the bear is another one of those where you're like hey , hey , honey , the the sweet Ted Lasso soft fans . You can't .
You can't put them into the middle of that kitchen because it's gonna make them nuts . But I think actually for a lot of us , the softness is not always what you're necessarily looking for .
So I do think that there are ways of connecting it with a lot of other shows , things that we're looking for , especially when it's Very clear that the main character is trying to make people understand him in a way that Other shows don't necessarily address , like getting their viewpoint out into the world , even if Wayne is not interested in cultivating followers .
No , it actually interesting , was interesting to me just to touch on that . I may be pivoting into the actual dive too soon , but it struck me as you were saying that that Wayne is a hundred and eighty degrees from Ted in any number of ways , but in one way in particular , which is he ain't sitting around waiting for your motherfucking apology .
I don't know who told you to grab your girlfriend like that yeah , I'm about to put this . And then how'd you come up with that motherfucking plan ? Fuck is wrong with you , bro . You came up with that plan on the fly , like that is some goddamn John Rambo back to the 80s shit . What the fuck was that ?
When I saw how he then used the because I was like a bike lock . And when he , when I saw how he used the bike lock , I was like , oh my god , like I am so glad I'm on Wayne side . I am so glad because that is wow but that feels like Heading down the Hannibal Lecter . Oh , they handed me a pen and now I'm back to killing .
Yeah , reminded me . Bob's Burgers is one of my favorite shows . There's a scene where Love Bob's Burgers . There's a scene where Bob wakes up from a nightmare Saying I'm killing Teddy , one of his best friends , because he gives him hamburgers every day and he's worried about his health .
And so he wakes up terrified and says I'm killing Teddy and his wife Linda immediately wakes up . It says you're gonna kill Teddy . All right , the cars gasped up , that's good . I guess I could homeschool the kids . And he's like no , I'm not Okay , I Was just trying to be supportive .
So like it is one of those where it's like how did you come up with that ? Ready to go red ?
that was . It was there in the .
That's your go-man .
You're like , I just no problem , it was yeah kind of amazing Um yeah , well coach , well coach .
I appreciate you giving voice to that , because I know some people go Coach castles losses day in mind . Coach , while watching this episode blurted out like you're gonna do this to the buttercups , I can't believe you're gonna do this to a Ted lasso audience .
I understand , I really do understand some percentage joke , but yeah , part of me . What is like oh my , oh my , my sweet buttercups , my sweet , sweet buttercups .
I don't think the buttercups are fragile . See , that's the difference . I think the I I do not find . I think they are . I think they're wise and I think they're Experienced .
And in our look at all of our , all of our data suggests that our audience is smarter and and and they're a bunch of veterans , like they've just been through life , they've had hard times , they've had situations . They have a lot of parents of neurodiverse children . We have a lot of people who are not , have lived the LGBTQ world .
We have a lot of people who have had injuries . Like you know , we have our audience is made up of survivors and and stalwarts and you know people who are tough and smart .
Now , my challenge here is to say I've always been fascinated by you know marginalized people and and how they cope and how they endure in a world where you know you could be a you know , upper middle class white man In a world that is designed for upper middle class white men , and still feel like I can barely get through the day .
So what if you're not that ? Well , how do you get through the day if you're everybody else ? And so there's a level of authenticity To Wayne that I really like and that I really wanted to share and , like I said , it's 10 episodes . They're not gonna make a second season , to my knowledge . I Think everyone's aged out of the roles by now but I think it's .
I think it's important and I think that some of the things , some of the concepts that are brought up , are Really really tailor-made for our type of analysis . So that's , that's the concept
¶ TV Show Impressions and Support
. Feel free to keep writing in . You know , I've heard everything I've heard . I've heard people say what coaches say I was saying , and I've also heard people say oh my god , I'm people already finished , like people started it last week and then they could not stop watching .
Yeah , they were just , it is yeah this is my jam , yeah , and so , listen , it's , it's a , it's a dalliance , and but that I have the next show already queued up , I know what the next show is , and that the next show is so soft and cuddly that it's gonna make people like they're gonna be like , oh , okay , like , but it's really , it's really .
That's the thing I'm saying . The pendulum will swing and and in the middle of it we're gonna experience all sorts of things . I have shows on the I have this now Bible for the podcast about sort of what we're gonna , how we're gonna do it , how we're gonna approach things , what messages we're gonna .
We're gonna Sort of try to try to Explore what sort of what sort of themes that that are relatable to the Ted lasso world . It's all .
It all comes from this place of being curious and not judgmental and trying to sort of experience as much of the of what the entertainment world offers us and what we can glean from it as human beings , trying to Find the things that we're all trying to find together .
So for the patience , for the trust , for the love , for the companionship , for the kindness , for the sincerity , for the honesty , I just want to say thank you to all of our listeners and all of our buttercups , because you know , you know , this is what , this is why we do it , this is , this is the whole point , and we couldn't be happier to have you along
in this ride with us so let's get to the experience I've just had .
I'm worried about everybody else , but nobody's looking out for me , nobody's protected Orlando , nobody's like oh , this is borderline traumatic , maybe we should look out for the guy . No , I'm right , gives a shit , that's fine , that's fine .
No , no , no , I I'm loving this show and there's a there's , there's something is being pulled off here that I actually envy , and I know , and , and , and I mean that in the best possible way . I'll tell a quick story .
I'm friends With a guy named Kent Powers and he is a writer and his he wrote One night Miami , amongst some other things , and I was at the first reading for one night in Miami . I'm actually an associate producer for the first run of one night in Miami .
That happened in LA , like you know , arrange the after party for the premier kind of stuff , and , and so he invites me . I kind of vaguely had mentioned me his rightness thing and told me the very , very basics , and Then I went to this reading and I walked to . I walked up to him after the reading and said I Am so jealous that I didn't write that .
I Will do anything I can do to help you get that me . You let me know .
It's the best thing you can hear as a writer . The coach said it to me one time . One time read the script I wrote .
And he had been laughing for hours .
Writing right and he said like Fuck , that was .
That was very funny by the way that was like some funny shit I've ever read by . Anyway , that was very , very first script , but but yeah .
But as a writer though you , that's the nicest thing you can say . It I know God .
And I'm watching this and going how are you walking Erasers ? Edge of Sweetness Okay , that's its own thing . Legit comedy , like they are there , a legit laugh , for me , at least , laugh out loud .
Moments with choices people make and the things they say and the situations that get set up , and then the obvious Wounding of people , like people who are obviously wounded and troubled , and the Sort of ugliness and violence that comes out of that . I mean to have this character who just steals shit Right and what all that actually like .
The more we're learning about , the more we're like them for me at least , the more I'm like oh wow , there's a lot going on with this kid . Like you can , you can detach from these car , you can detach from characters when you watch things and it's like , oh , this is the hard scrabble , blah , blah , blah . But this is a traumatized Child .
There is 0.0 chance that she's not absolutely traumatized . Look at who raised her , look at who her fucking brothers are , look at the whole situation . And yet they're these moments when she just gives a little smile or whatever and I'm like putty , I'm like I Want to . I just wanted , I want to go get her .
I want to go , come on , come on , come to LA with me . These people crazy . If you won't bring Wayne with you , he can Tell them . I said , simmer down , but he can come too . But I really like it's , it's . I'm deeply impressed by the show .
I'm two episodes in and I am like wow , this is some of the best stuff I've seen so I definitely need to agree with the characterization that she is traumatized and Dell has a lot of baggage and we see that through her stealing and shoplifting that we see later .
This is where I need to go on the record and say that I am not just okay with , but actively support Stealing from large corporations every chance I can .
I will , I will steal .
I don't care , sorry target .
I will steal from you as often as I can and I don't necessarily shop with we that I can figure out a loophole on a return in order to get some one of those big red balls they put out in front , just roll it into your trunk , absolutely .
Absolutely . I have . Not from small well no , not from small restaurants , because that never feels okay , but a larger , like a franchise restaurant . If there's a cute piece of silverware I'm taking , like it's so cheap for them to begin with Glassware .
I stole four tulip glasses for a buddy of mine , just like one at a time in my giant purse , from various bars across Chicago . Mm-hmm , I will steal .
I will always steal and I like little glimpses into your personal life . I .
Grew up as part of a family business , so we had industrial supply business where we would , you know , you come in and we 86,000 different products .
So the reason we had 86,000 different products is my dad's a donkey and somebody would come in and go , hey , do you have this packing seal for this pomp or whatever the seal for the pomp , or Do you have a grease seal or do you have an o-ringer ? And he'd say , oh sure , I'll get it for you Whatever . And now he would have to buy 200 o-rings .
He could buy one o-ring for 80 bucks . Or he can buy 200 o-rings for 20 bucks or something , right , so you buy the 200 and they'd say okay , now everything else we sell as profit .
Of course we write all right , so three more . Well , that's not true .
Eventually , right , exactly that's . That's , that was how we got 86,000 products and so . But people , we had a tiny little crappy storefront in it in a shit city called Worcester , massachusetts , which is I . I have a . I've railed against Worcester so many times , in so many ways I might .
I almost don't know how to continue , but it's a place that I think sucks like . It's actually gotten really nice now . So , in fairness to what's there , people are really trying hard , they're doing a lot to change the place . It never feels like it changes .
To me , I think it's probably my trauma more than anything , because you go to certain places once you like , holy shit , the great restaurants , amazing nightlife , whatever it's like , really , it's really .
I see why people like now I still Like , you know , if I had the power , would I , would , I would suck it down into the earth like Sodom or I just just like one of those places that just leaves its mark on you .
¶ Ethics of Theft and Intent
But on this , this little crappy storefront thing we had , we had , you know , traffic cones and Snow shovels . We used to do snow plow repair . Oh , it's basically at every little stupid thing anybody in industry could need .
So guy would be out Doing is , you know , plowing , drive , prime driveways or flying Parking lots , and they would bust a hose and they come in and we would fix it , replace hydraulic hoses , things like that . But people would come in and steal . And I Know , boss , you're not . I know that you're not Advocating for like small business , don't ?
You said specifically like oh , big , large multinational .
Yes , yes , thanks . If I could steal from a large bank , yeah , I mean not like a hold up , but like I Will . If somebody left $45 in front of Bank of America , I am taking that . That is my note .
So here's the thing like I feel like so , especially in this part of in the world . Up in New England we talk about how stealing from insurance companies is the only righteous , like that's righteous if you can rip off insurance .
Yes , because their whole job there their reason for existence right , right . You know that's that's called , so you just off the ripper you know that's how job right that's got .
So I understand that . I also know that like I Think it determined . Yeah , I talk about how much intent matters to me . Whenever my kids getting an altercation of any kind or I was like , let's talk about intent , let's you got an argument with your friend , what was their intent ? Like , let's talk about intent .
And but equal to that for me is how do I feel after I've done the beat . So if I pilfer something , how do I feel ? And I always feel fucking terrible . Now , maybe that's the residue of a Judeo Christian upbringing , maybe that's the right , some sort of weird thing .
We're again coach and I try to be a good boy , try to be good boys or whatever that that is . But the , the thievery I Know . I know I feel great when I return stuff and I feel terrible in the very few times that I've taken stuff . So it's like it just . This is why people are different . We're wired differently .
I don't , I can't ever remember time I took something and felt like Justified in it . I was like fuck it , they're probably gonna look for that , or you know , like it's happened so a few times that I just don't . You know it's not part of my ethos . So boss is laughing your head off .
I guess like I gave . Did you just hear me explain that I gave someone a full set of glasses , not a glass ? I Gave like I don't want you to have to live like a savage . When people come over , I want them to know that you've got class . Yeah , no , so , yeah . So this is very funny .
It's a . I was also thinking about how you immediately feel terrible and feel bad about it and how when I open my Silverware drawer and I see one of the tiny little forts that I stole from an upscale Seafood place that does not need that 45 cents that the fork is worth , that , I smile and I'm like , oh , that's so cute .
Look at that little fork that I have . It's so adorable . I'm so proud of myself phenomenal .
Okay , but yeah , they don't theoretically need it , but my god , cuz it's like , who the fuck are you to take their shit ? Okay , makes me great .
I'm like I don't , so I can't hear the only we used to feel it .
We used to really feel it . Someone come in and steal like a snow shovel and I'm like how the fuck did they get out of here without a snow shovel ? And we couldn't even afford a camera system , so we had the fake cameras like the dummy cameras , and then also yeah dummy cameras .
But also , like a couple times people got chased by some of our workers and then , like they would , you know , you like , open yourself up .
There's all kinds of rules that you're not aware of , like if you beat somebody up or you know , let's say , you grab the shovel back and you hit him with the shovel to defend yourself , like you're actually the one inch so it's .
It gets really weird with the law and like that's why when you have big , like Big conglomerates , they'll say , yeah , don't chase the shoplifter , let him go , let's work .
It's not worth the trouble .
They just they can rock it up to shrinkage , but a small business can't do that , small business like don't feel that fucking , that stolen thing .
And so .
I always I always think of our family when I do it and I go , I'm not gonna do it .
Well . So this is why I'm making it intentionally class warfare , because , no , absolutely A small-owned business , I would never in a million years .
But I should also mention a friend of mine who lives in Chicago and she also will go out to dinners and because she is less of a sociopath than I am , she will say to the waitstaff oh my god , this little serving dish is so adorable , where can I get one ? And they'll say , just take that , like I'll just bring you one , it's fine , you just have it .
So I'm 99% sure that if I said the same thing , they do like , fucking , take that fork , it doesn't matter .
That's not the same . It's not . I'm liking .
You're sort of like .
Robin Hood 2.0 of like Rob from the rich and keep it in my house . I like it , I like it , I like that it's just like no , there's no . This screw you . I've been getting screwed all week and it's your turn .
I like it , it's yeah it's just a little bit , just just a touch . But if Bank of America will screws up my statement and I get an extra $400 , mike , absolutely , I would add to this and I'm actually .
I'm gonna it's gonna come off like I'm being funny , but also this is where my being a black man and you're being a white woman in part comes very much into play , because I am so fucking aware that someone would literally try to throw me in jail for like Robbery for ten years , for that fucking fork absolutely like nope . Nope , nope , nope , no .
I , when I go into this is this is true . And I , I go into Home Depot . Let's say I fix it some shit in my house . I have a screw , a screw , a screw .
When I walk into Home Depot , I walk over to the security guard and I go I'm walking in with this Because I'm not gonna have that fucking conversation on my way out , and I , you know , yeah , yeah .
No , that's just , that's just smart , that's like , that's just like understanding the world . So , but I but you know .
so that piece is interesting to me that , just like my relationship to it is , is a bit different . There , like , stay as squeaky clean as you can . Also , though , I will add and this is something I I learned pretty young , back in my flat brush days was If you're not a thief , don't steal . If you're not a thug , don't thug .
Like beat , like , don't do shit that's outside of , like who you fundamentally like your friend is a ask about the plate person and you are a fuck . These people , they're a big corporation and whatever you take the fucking plate and you should each do your thing . Like I'm gonna say one should steal .
I'm like advocating stealing , but I'm saying , if that's how you get that , like really do it . But people like I used to tell me all the time if you're not a liar , don't lie , because you're not good at it .
And the people who lie like that , who really lie , like they are fucking good at it , they construct a whole world around themselves where the shit they said becomes true , actually , like they've worked on this thing , like you can't just jump into the screen anywhere along the way .
So yeah , no , it's why I hate April Fool so much Like you got your amateurs fucking amateurs out here with their lying Just embarrassing .
SNL did a little sketch called Amazon Go , which is the self-checkout . Yes , the store , you walk in , you grab shit you walk out .
Yes , yes , yes , yes and they had all the black characters , Keenan and Chris Red , and everybody was like , okay , I'm putting my money on the counter , Like make a big print , and it's like what's behind it is hellacious , it is the worst shit imaginable . But they poke fun at that . And how sort of . Rife with systemic imbalances .
It's funny . You point that
¶ Love, Bikes, and Sweet Gestures
out . I'll let you keep going . But Daphne and I watched that and laughed hysterically and both agreed like we don't like it . Well , actually no , she understood why I didn't like it . She sort of is like all right , that's what we're doing , now I'll make it work .
And my reaction is nah , nah , nah , nah , nah , Get somebody in here , I don't want any fucking questions . Like I don't want to fuck you and your technology . This is gonna end poorly for me , Like that's what I do know . So that sketch , like yeah , crushed me . It was great .
But anyway , I will let you actually now talk about the actual show we're gonna talk about .
Thank you , we opened up on the bike where we left off . We are howling through the night . We got rock music playing , raised by Fuzz Della's yelling . We gotta sleep . Her ass hurts .
My ass hurts . By the way , I thought was so awesome and I'm gonna use this word intentionally . It was such an indelicate expression of it . It's so far from oh , I've got a new boyfriend . I can't let him know . Like , for example , I can't let him know I fart , like it was just .
Like my ass hurts , like I'm not gonna in any way shade that for you Like that's actually what it is my ass hurts and you can deal with hearing that because that's what's happening .
I wanna make a little connection here . So something I wanna talk about is remember how , when Jamie Tart first met Sam , how fucking horrible he was to Sam and we .
Throughout the course of the show they made it abundantly clear that Jamie was following his father's lead and he had learned how to talk to other people and that mockery was like intrinsic in conversation and that how status is handled is who can be the most brutal through mockery and through any kind of attack pattern that you can come up with .
And so we saw this play out on the field with Sam and we saw how it affected Jamie , and we also saw , once he broke free of his father and started learning some lessons from life and from other people , how he was able to change .
I wanna put on your roadmap for this specific episode that the only person , the only authority figure that Dell has ever known as her father and she absorbs some of his mannerisms the son of his tone , and whether or not there's enough of an arc for her to sort of transcend that at some point .
I'm not gonna speculate on episode two , but right now what I think you hear is how she would talk to her dad , or how her dad would talk or how her brothers talk . And in delicate is right , there's no finishing school in the shit on Norton , so they drive through the thing . There's a really quick .
I love this little quick cut scene of her stretching her butt , like trying to get her butt to wake up . She's yelling fuck . She's like we're sleeping at some point . Right , he can't hear . We should probably sleep soon . She says dead fucking legs . She's got her leg up on the sign like trying to stretch it out , like if you're not used to riding a bike .
And then you ride for that far , especially in the backseat , which is usually padded more but less contoured than the driver's seat on a bike . You ever ride a motorcycle coach at all , boss ?
you , I rode on the back of one . I don't know if it was a real motorcycle , it was probably like this , like a souped up dirt bike , but yes , on the back of one .
Yeah , I rode for a little bit and I was so bored I wanted to get out of my college so badly it was like trapped and I was like I wanted to graduate when I was a sophomore and I had to kill two years .
So a friend of mine and I bought some motorcycles and we used to go around upstate New York just back roads like byways of upstate New York , where there was like no cars , and so back then there was a little less busy than it is now and we would just ride bikes with these shitty crappers . My bike was bought . It was a Honda 400 .
I had to drive up to Northern Maine to buy it and it was like blood , like true blood money . Like I bought it off this couple , that this young couple . I actually made my friend give them the money because I couldn't bring myself to do it . I'm like this does not feel good at all . Like it was like a really young couple .
She was pregnant , they were probably 17 , 18 . I was like , oh God , like I don't want any part of . I was like you , this was your stupid fucking idea you give , you do the transaction . So whatever you know musk of desperation that is definitely happening right here will stick to you and not me , because I just was horrified by the whole situation .
But we lugged it back to New York and used to ride around and then I had a couple other bikes I don't know that I acquired whatever .
It was like good deals or people , whatever and then one day I was driving to see a girlfriend it was five in the morning going around a curve and I just caught there's a wet , just had rained and I probably was just not paying attention enough or whatever and the bike just caught the very edge of a curb and I went over and slid across this lawn of the
but it was like a wet lawn , right . So me and the bike just slid across the lawn and just missed hitting a fence and I had no injuries and the bike was fine and I was like that's it , like that's like that was the warning shot . Here with my ADHD . With my ADHD I was like , oh , if I like lose focus for one split second . It was literally five AM .
There were no cars . It was like a million dollar accident . But I was like , okay , this is the universe gone . This isn't free for you , friend . So I hung them up and haven't ridden since . But if you're riding on this like Dell , it can be a whole new experience , especially a lot of vibration if you're not used to it . So they stop and they buy .
Wayne buys her a little pad for her butt . He says for your butt . I was wondering if he was gonna say ask her butt , and I thought it was very gentle .
Yeah , I did like that . He said butt , especially because she had said ask , and I also . Again , this is like that sweetness quotient . He thought about her Like one of the I think I mentioned this before , part because I'm insane , part because I fancy myself some sort of philosopher , I guess , part who the fuck knows .
But for the biz , we worked on a definition of love . My cousin and I are working on a project for a line and we worked on definition for love and we decided that the definition of love is the investment in the optimization of options for someone or something . That's what love is .
And we like kept , like we like we kicked the tires on that thing , pretty good , and we were like what about this ? What about that ? And we were like that's the definition of love . Like we were like that is what love is and to me that was I love you . That was okay .
I understand that something's wrong and I'm going to try to make it as not wrong as I can possibly make it for you right now .
Like he couldn't be like lucky for us , here comes the limo , but he could buy her this thing to sit on and just bring her a little bit more comfort , and I just for me , I just thought like , oh my God , these two , like I can't take it . That's so sweet .
Yeah , I mean procedurally
¶ Understanding Love and Relationship Education
right . I like that you try to break it down , because I know what you're trying to do . You're trying to have a methodology around it . I mean other people , there's so many . I mean I don't know if anyone can ever fully quantify all of what love means to everybody . That certainly is procedurally .
It's funny because you also because you're a good , you're a fucking good person you default to like like love . When you hear love , you'll say like , oh , that's got a good connotation Sometimes , like people would say , oh , there's ways to be in love , right , right , right , negative , you know . So , whatever , either way , I love how you've broken that down .
He did , he did . It is a . I mean , you look at the worlds that these two come from . He had to care about his dad and then apparently Orlando , you know , like his friend , but like we didn't see much else in Wayne's life that he cared about .
And he's choosing to care about Dell and we certainly know Dell like no one ever fucking went out of their way at all . We have no evidence at all that anyone ever cared for Dell . Boss of Smiling .
Yes , well , one of the things I was thinking about . Wednesday , before we started recording , coach and I were talking a little bit about some other things and we did mention the bar for men being in hell , like it's so low .
And I do think it's incredibly sweet that he considered that her butt was in pain and that he got her a little padding and that he was thinking about how to make things easier for her . That was incredibly sweet . Should be sort of default in relationships , I feel like that's fair . And so then I was .
And not to say that he , like you , don't want to get too much credit for doing what you're supposed to do , but also he's doing what he's supposed to do . Like we say , if you do what you're supposed to do , then we'll like you when you'll be okay or whatever so like how would he know ?
How would he know ? That's the only I always go back to like who teaches people this . How would a boy like that his father and mother split up ? I don't know if he's got any role models as far as like positive relationships , especially like a , you know , father-mother type relationship or heterosexual sort of relationship , like what does he have ? What's he ?
He doesn't watch TV . He doesn't know movies .
No . So what I'm going to say is that I think I think you and I have different ideas about how much of this is picked up socially , how much is sort of innate , how much needs to be introduced and needs to be taught . I think in the first episode we talked about the scene where he jumped over the fence to get the kids who were doing the fireworks .
Like he saw the family next door , he knows what other people's lives can be like . I don't think that you need to sit a child down and say this is how a family functions .
You need to do this , this , this and this , but , like we're social animals , there are ways that you could learn about these things outside of having somebody sit down and say it directly to you .
I think , oh , it's true , but also social animals sometimes don't are born without social ability , you know . So , like as a parent of a , of a neurotypical children . You go like , okay , they don't , they can't read the cues they don't have , so someone has to teach them .
So I just go , I don't know what I'm not like , not like a like Wayne presents as a kid with a diagnosis or anything like that . But I just say , like we don't have a , we have systemic racism , we have systemic sexism , we have systemic classes , we have a bunch of systemic .
I don't think we have systemic , you know , relationship knowledge , like you know what I mean . I don't see broadly and widely people doing the work to make sure everybody knows how to treat everybody else . It's very hard to lay my finger on that in our current society .
But you just said that we have systemic racism and sexism . That is how we teach people how to deal with everybody else . It's just that we teach them how to deal with everybody else in an extremely shitty way . That benefited white , straight men for a couple of millennia .
Like I think that you are thinking that because we don't do it in a way that is demonstrably nice , that people don't learn how to do that , like the way that racism and sexism just sort of seeps in to every aspect of our society , is how we also teach people how to interact with each other .
Yeah , of course .
The system is in place . It's just what we're teaching . Yeah , the system is in place , we just disagree with
¶ Breakfast, Rabbit, and Strange Meats
it Right .
So in the case of Wayne , do we buy , buying Dell a pad , you know , like a seat for her to sit on while they ride ? Does he deserve a parade for that ? No , but in the context it does seem at least like a generous or thoughtful act , based on who they are and where they're from . That's a thing .
I do think that that's true . But also calling back to the first episode , there was indications from the principal that Wayne's dad sort of had the same code that Wayne has . That has been very easily passed . Wayne also had the nurse's name that I'm forgetting now , but she brought the pie because that was above and beyond .
She was thinking about the family , like I think that there are ways that those that would have impacted his understanding of the world , even if it seems like he's from a rough area .
Yeah , okay , yeah , that makes sense , no question . Okay , so they stay the night in the tent boss . They wake up and Wayne has . What has he done ?
He's made breakfast . Yeah , he's made breakfast and dolled it up a little bit . If anybody else is a fan of New Girl , you might remember Nick Miller trying to make breakfast for Jessica that morning after they finally slept together , and he rips a grapefruit in half and tries to put a flower in it or something sort of similar .
Not too far off it does look extremely edible , but it's a little messier than you would imagine at a restaurant . They are in the woods after all .
He serves it on what looks like a hub , to the inside of a hubcap yes , looks like to me . He finds a flower and puts it in . I didn't know what he put it in , but he's trying his best . And then we come to find out . Del wakes up . What's all this shit ? He says breakfast , I made breakfast .
He's not looking at her , good , because I ain't eating that goddamn jerky again . She says Thanks , welcome , takes a bite , she's wolfing it down , this chicken . And he says what , boss ? No rabbit , no rabbit . What the fuck did you say Rabbit ? He says , and little music plays and she spits it out . And he's what the fuck , wayne ?
And we show a little insert of him like a skin , the skin of a rabbit , like a knife to a tree . So he got up early to go hunt , yes , so that she would have food , mm-hmm .
He did get food . I mean , I don't know . I gotta admit I don't think eating rabbit is the wildest thing that could have happened . If he had said squirrel , that might be a little bit weirder . I'm not sure why rabbit is more okay to eat for me than squirrel .
Yeah , well , yeah , no , I think , have you had rabbit ?
Yeah , we had rabbit .
Yeah , we had rabbit .
Yeah , the cuteness makes it taste better , that's right that is the worst .
Oh my God , we should call this out because it was so appalling we were eating . Last time Boss came to Boston , we went out to this restaurant fancy restaurant with our producers , dustin and Seth , and Dustin and Other buddies of ours from Pajett . Oh , okay , right yes .
But it was the same restaurant that you guys had .
I'm sorry okay , here's the thing we had gone to this restaurant Right . I had gone with producer Seth before that , a few weeks before , and that's why we went back to this place , because I had good food . And then when we ordered , I had never had rabbit before , so I tried it and producer Seth said the cuteness is what makes it taste better , right ?
Or something like that .
Yeah , the cuteness makes it taste better .
So we're surrounded by really troubled people in our private lives . Anyway , yeah , it was good , it's sweeter than you think . Like I think if you have rabbit , at least you go . Okay , I think I know now what rabbit tastes . Like I wouldn't be in search of it , I don't think .
But no , I can understand why , but also not far off from chicken , like from what I remember . It made me think of what she says , yeah , yeah .
I know it made me think of Lord of the Rings when Samwise finds a couple of ponies in the middle of nowhere . And if you had rabbit on the way to Mordor , I think it would be the best thing you've ever eaten in your life . I could see that , having now tasted rabbit . But I've tasted of quite a few strange types of meat , boss , when I was in Kenya .
There's a restaurant there called Carnivore and they this is right outside Nairobi , or like just outside Nairobi , and they would give you types of meat that you wouldn't typically get .
So you had like zebra , which is basically horse crocodile , and so you just go through and you eat all these like wildebeest and tremendous amount of things that otherwise you would never have and anyway , yeah , so I feel like I've tried to quit a few things now and never really try any of them .
Don't need to go back ever again , Yep , but one time is more than enough .
So yeah , this is gonna sound way cooler than it actually is , but one time I tried eating kangaroo and I couldn't because Uma Thurman stole my dinner .
Holy , and that sounds a lot cooler than it actually is .
It is that I was on vacation with a boyfriend and his family in Angila in the Caribbean and we went to a restaurant and the waiter said the special .
Is it pronounced Angila Really ?
I think so I've looked it up .
It's called Angia .
I always figured it should be Angia , but what I have heard on the internet is Angila , so I'm going with Angila . Okay , all right . But yes , the waiter said that the special that night was a kangaroo dish and I was like fuck , yes , obviously I need to try . When else am I gonna get to try eating kangaroo ?
Are they native to Angila , those kangaroos ?
Obviously no .
I have no idea why they decided to go with kangaroo , but they went with kangaroo , some of those wild wallabies bouncing around .
That you're gonna find on the tiny little Caribbean island . Yes , obviously that's the size that they need to be to be on that small of an island , that huge . Yeah , no , but so I was in . I was like fuck yeah , let's try some kangaroo . And then the waiter came back and said I'm so sorry , we've actually sold out for tonight .
The last dish just went out . And then later in the middle of dinner , a very tall , very impressive looking woman stood up and everybody all the like you could feel the restaurant looking over and we're all like , oh shit , that's Uma Thurman .
I'm pretty sure that Uma Thurman and her table ordered the last of the kangaroo and I didn't get to try it because of fucking kill Bill .
Unreal , Unreal , isn't that ? Just like Uma .
Just like her , the fuck . Maybe she didn't want to eat any E-Mu because it felt too similar to her .
What the fuck joke is that ?
E-Mu Uma . That's one of those day-volumins .
Yeah , you're trying to do an Oprah Uma .
An Oprah Uma . Yes , yes , yes , yes .
That's a bit that landed really really well , boy , that that really went well Landed .
well for him , well for me . Probably Uma's not gonna speak to me for years now .
Makes me miss wordplay . Yeah , it makes me miss all your puns , boss .
Don't worry , they're still here .
Okay . So we're zipping through here what the fuck Wayne ? We get the title when she says what the fuck Wayne , it cuts the way . We get the title card Loved and yeah , coaches into that . And then we have okay . So we cut down to the police station and we have officer Jay Gannetti , played by James Earl .
He bursts into , threw a door and he says , hey , sergeant , we got a pro . Oh , and we see , okay , we see , now this is so funny , okay . So at this point officer Jay comes in and of course you have Sergeant Geller in the office with his hand down his pants and coach . What is happening here in this scene ?
Well , he is actually doing a check of his testicles there for cancer . My understanding to this point I didn't realize . I mean , do it on company time ? I'm always for it . My understanding is that that's best done in the shower . So I was a little surprised that he thought that that moment and really like hands down .
So yeah , it was a very interesting thing and actually it seemed a lot more like what ? What's the office ? Who came then ? What's the name ?
again , the one that came in Jay .
Jay . Honestly , Jay had every reason it makes . Actually , Jay's conclusion makes more sense than the truth , Like what is happening right now .
Okay , I want to call it yes , I love the you guys keep referring to like the justice of ripping off from corporations or banging one out at work . I have my friend who embarrassed me publicly by saying permission to come aboard , captain Stooming , when I had bought that brand new yellow One of his . He's got a very blue collar mentality .
He's the guy that also said when he was working in an auto shop he was a mechanic in Phoenix and it was 110 degrees in the shop and the one of like the guys brought in all these Gatorade bottle , like a thing of ice and Gatorade , and just gave it . It's like , oh , it's really hot out here , guys , I brought this for you . His response was in his head .
He's like , oh yeah , thanks , thanks . And his head he's thinking , fuck you . Yeah , I'm like I don't understand .
I remember this , but I'm trying to remember with how he got there .
It's just like a blue collar . It's just this thing that he does . Like fuck you , funtly , you're gonna oh , you're gonna bring me some fucking Gatorade , like maybe get . How about close the doors and turn the AC on you . Fucking asshole , you guys have AC over in the thing , but I'm supposed to be so grateful for you know , blue Gatorade .
Like go fuck yourself , you know , like it's just like this . Listen , I understand where he's coming from , but he always one of his favorite . The reason I say this is because he also he would talk about shitting on the clock and he'd be like one of the best . Boss is nodding , coach is nodding .
This must be from me , growing up with a silver spoon .
But yeah , he would just get go to work and it's like that's it . He'd go to the bathroom , take a nice leisurely bathroom break and what he called shitting on the clock he said he was like it is one of the greatest things anyone can do is get paid to shit .
I don't want to pretend in any way , shape or form , that COVID or the pandemic or anything that went along with that was anything other than a horrifically terrible shit show . For you know , actually probably we're still on it and we're pretending it's over , but that's fine . We said shit show , so keep going . Well , no , actually not that .
But one of the best developments for me is that on the days when I need to work in the office because they've required us to come back two days a week , on those days my commute is part of my eight hours .
If you need me to be in the office , you're paying me to sit on the L to get to the office , because there's absolutely no fucking way I'm doing a 10 hour day if I'm getting paid eight hours .
¶ Work Hours and Depiction of Police
Unacceptable , and the powers that be have set it up so that like , oh , that's just how it is . Why is it that way ? Yeah , yeah , no , I'm with you .
And it's one of the rare times where I was openly defiant at work . I didn't ask , I didn't say like hey , by the way , this is how I'm doing my hours . But they said be in the office two days a week , and I was like , great , I will get in at nine , I will take an hour lunch , I will leave at four . That's how we roll .
I love everything about that . I love everything about it and when . I particularly love about it is that those who are generally calling shots and who do things like , let's say , fly somewhere , you pay for your fucking commute , then , buddy , why'd you pay for your flight to DC , since we're all just paying for our own shit around here ?
But because I pay a $2 a day , it doesn't count .
But when you decide , oh yeah , this meeting I could 100% do by phone or Zoom , I gotta fly to DC so I can see my college roommate and have dinner with them , like we always do . Now the whole the company's gotta pay that go fuck yourself . You pay for it if I'm paying for it .
If not , I'm with the Emily Chambers hour counting policy of 2023 , count me in , it's good .
We're finding many ways where bosses is Robin Hooding this bitch , Okay . So hey , Sarge , we had a problem . It's the most natural thing . So I don't say nothing . I understand . Listen to me , Jay . I go to the evidence room and I wanna handle mine . So stop , Jay . I cackled . I just stretched out my gourd , Jay , I was checking myself for cancer .
You got cancer side . No , I didn't say that . So Jay is like prone to flight . Like Jay is an emotional person . My aunt , Linda just had cancer . I can't go through this twice . He starts to freak out and , oh my God , I love you will . If you don't love him already , you will come to love Sergeant Steven Geller as much as I do .
He's played by Steven Kieran and he immediately calms Jay down . Listens to me , Jay . This world is a nightmare . It's a goddamn nightmare , Jay . Jay , will you please explain to me why you just burst in like here , In like that , sorry . Well , Bobby said he's out front .
You know that guy's a prick eight fucking ways , which is very that's the right way that it would be said language-wise in this region . This guy's a prick eight fucking ways guy . Long story short . He says some kid came into his house and assaulted him and his boys in their own home and maybe kidnapped his daughter .
Now , for all we know , she could have run off with the kid , but either way , she's 15 , so we have a situation , Okay , and Sergeant Geller says I like how they know who they're dealing with .
There was something kind of cool about . Like they know the father , they know these asshole sons and they know that she lives in the kind of shit hole where there is every chance that she just decided I'm fucking out of here . Like they're not , like , oh you know , like they're not doing first 48 , like you know , like the demand is gonna be .
Like they're just like , yeah , okay , we'll see . For all we know it was her plan .
I think , for you know we have . We talk about Copaganda and we talk about how for years and years and years , we've been schooled by television to show all these great cops fighting the hard fight . And rarely do we see cops as human beings . And I'm here to say I know some of the worst fucking cops , like misery , terrible nightmares .
And there's a cop , one cop , in my town that I love so much . He almost makes me cry when I see him . I love him so much because he is a fucking pillar of society . He's what you should be . You know what I mean . He is like an old school sheriff .
He goes around with the town like the comfort dog , like the I forget what they call it like the dog has a big , beautiful golden retriever and he reads to kids at the library and he coaches football . I fucking love this guy . I literally I almost would tear up right now thinking about what a stellar human being .
And every time he sees me , remembers my name , comes right over , shakes my hand . I had to be . I hate Facebook and I was never on Facebook , but I had one job where that was somehow you had to be on Facebook , and so I joined Facebook and he was the first person that followed me . I'm like he is , I'm telling you , the cream of the crop .
And these guys exist , and sometimes we forget that because it's easy to say John Law is a douche , and they're all douches , and they're all football players who , you know , brawn over brains or whatever . But there are , like every other profession , accounting comedians . There are great ones and there are terrible ones , and so I just like the depiction .
He's insulting your accounting skills coach .
I like the depiction of police officers as human beings . I like the Jays a little bit off the deep end emotionally . I like that Sergeant Geller seems a little detached . Anyway , they finished the scene by saying now you know I wasn't masturbating , right , and this is what I was talking about before we started recording this one .
It drives me crazy because , like I don't know how I'm so relate to the Sergeant Geller thing in this one where it's like okay , I've established I really wasn't like and are we good ? And then then Jays , like you know , like okay if you say so , but like something . And I was like no , I kind of think you were .
You know what I'm your as your friend I can tell . It's so funny that you've called us out , because if it's one thing I've watched , you be triggered by like not like you're gonna get in a fist fight , but like your temperature definitely goes up If your sense is .
You've made a statement about why you're doing something or what your motivation was , and you have not even the person says that's not true but even an inkling that that's still on the table . So I will quickly tell a story that includes one of my favorite .
It's so funny , so I and I've learned this about you over the years , like I'm aware of it as a thing . So we , as we've now established 17,000 different times at our fantasy football draft and some people were there . They had to be there by Zoom for various reasons , including coach , and so it's what they call an auction sadly crap draft .
We'll get into the politics of that some other time and coach , I just want to set the stage that we all fly in from all over the country to be together one weekend a year . It's the only time we see each other . It's an excuse to hang out with these guys that we all love , and it's the first time I've ever missed . It was this year .
I couldn't go , so I just call in by Zoom and there were two other guys out of a league of 12 that also had to call in . All these coasters in the draft was in Los Angeles . Okay , thanks , coach , keep going .
Right , right .
¶ The Importance of Honesty and Integrity
So basically , as there's bidding , invariably as everyone has now learned in the world of Zoom meetings you can get delay and get this . So sometimes it's off as to who had the bid in first and what happened . Okay , great .
So the guys on the call are saying no , no , no , no , we were in first and the people in the room are going we don't think so actually . And all of a sudden I like somewhere in my brain I was like uh-oh , and coach goes you think we're fucking lying . I'm like no one said .
I was like , no , how , no one said you were lying , but I knew it was gonna go there . The minute there was like any pushback , he was like we're fucking lying . I was like , oh boy , oh you guys .
Oh boy , here we go now Because if I'm saying it like the three of us could hear . The well part of it , coach , was also people are going hey , man , you know you're waiting till the last second . And we weren't like it would be like you see the indignation boss Bidding as quickly as possible .
And then people were like , well , hey , listen , you're gonna be out of it if you fucking wait . Like that . We're like , no , no , we're not waiting , cause we could all hear it on just on our side that it was like really we were doing a good job . And I'm like are you , do you think I would fucking lie about that ?
You think like this is the thing of all the fucking things in the world . I'm gonna try to get an edge and lie about it . I'm like , oh my God , yeah , no , no , that's- . And I knew .
I knew the minute it went down that path and then on cue he goes . You think we're fucking lying and I was like , eh , there we go .
That's funny , cause I also think of myself as not provocable , and I say that all the time .
But I guess that one gets . It's not like you wanna fight , but it does like it offends you . It offends your , you know .
Have I not built up enough credibility in 23 motherfucking years that you know I'll lie to your if I say like well , first of all , you'll know I'm lying cause I'm a shit liar and I don't . I cannot stand lie . I fucking don't like liars and I don't like even casual deceit . I've written articles about this on Pajama Fucking .
Casual deceit is how are we friends ? It is killing our fucking world . It is terrible . Casual deceit is so fucking it is reprehensible to me . So , yes , I know , boss , I know I'd love you , no matter what . We all know this .
But I'm saying in general in my yes , no , in my thing , like , if I'm going , if I'm even gonna like why , you know me , you know what like , especially these guys , two decades , and I'm gonna fucking lie about a Zoom call to get a bid on some fuck . I'm like I just anyway .
I guess that is where I'm provocable , where my well , like , if you impugn my Integrity , integrity , I guess yeah .
I weirdly , even though I will acknowledge that I use you know I'll exaggerate when I'm telling stories I will be hyperbolic , like I enjoy a good story but I do have that same thing with it , like I don't have any integrity and so on , the things where I'm like no , I have integrity on this . You better not question me on this thing , it's I don't .
I don't know why I actually I would never cheat . One of my nieces and I are extremely similar , especially like me , knowing how I was at her age . She enjoys lying , she's very competitive , she is mean at shit and I love it .
She was at Great America , the amusement park near us , and an older kid was like joking around with her ad of whatever sort of stands . That was where they were competing , like squirting water for a prize or whatever . And an older kid , like a teenager , joking around , was like well , if you win , I'm just gonna steal it from you .
She was like well , if you try that , I'm gonna steal your eyeballs . And like just just rode with that .
Like just meant it . She was like , I will just steal your eyeballs .
I love her so much . She cheats at games , though , and I'm like you're gonna outgrow that Cause . You're gonna get to the point where you're like I am so much better at this game than you are that the idea that I would cheat in order to beat you is offensive to me .
I'm just gonna come out here and clean up Some of my integrity around competition is I am superior to begin with , so I'm not gonna lower myself . There is a little of that built in . There is a yeah , there is a . I don't have to fucking cheat to beat you , but I'm just gonna get that built into the conversation .
Most of what I think it is is for me is Dotty's tea . I think that's honestly what it is , cause I was raised by . My mom is very Machiavellian and she will no problem dropping a lie , no problem , no problem bending the truth . If you said that to her , if you said , mom , you just lied , she'll spit on you . She'd be like , how dare you ? I would never .
But in her world , believe me , it's , the truth is fluid , and so I have such a distaste for that that it's like Ted saying like no , not now , not ever . You know what I mean . Like , sure that's . I can see some people like tea , but I for what tea means to me ? It's not worth it .
I don't want that . It can never happen right .
Yeah , I just don't like it . And so I actually am like a recovering liar , if that makes any sense . I just was raised to whatever , no problem , and I had to do like a lot of soul searching and thinking about it and going , hmm , I just don't think that's like the right .
You know , to the point where I just talked to my kids about you , just like it's so much listen , in my experience it's so much more fun to go through life just like brutally honest and people like now I have a reputation . You might not like what Thor has to say to you , but he'll shoot you straight , that's it .
Like you may not like , you may say I don't like it , but like he's not gonna go behind your back , he's not gonna talk shit about you , he's not gonna . He'll come to you , he'll say what the truth is , and that's it . And so it just seems like I can sleep better at night when I have that . You know , I don't know , just just just- .
Looks like that book which Lied it ? I Tell who wrote that . I forget who wrote that , but that's like a book about Hollywood , which Lied it , I Tell . And there is something to the idea that if you tell the truth , you don't have to remember what you said , and I do think there is something to that . There is something to do like you know .
Yes , and lies beget , lies , right , just manufacturing .
Yes , oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , no , for sure , for sure .
It's a terrible way to live , especially for someone trying to be a decent human being and also , you know , good boy or whatever we talk about , and trying to see the best in people . And you know , yeah , it's interesting , and we can talk about this with Ted Lasso too , like who lies on Ted Lasso and why do they lie ?
And you know what's the root of that . Yeah , people who have done the work . I think you tend to I don't know , I think you tend to steer away from lies as much as you can . It's just like it's also just a waste of time .
We have such a limited amount of time on this planet and then I don't want to spend any of it caught up in like a lie or then apologizing for a lie or recovering for a lie or the lowered status of being seen as a liar . I'm like I don't want any of it , like all it does is just fuck with my world .
And I'm like I don't want I'll just tell you the truth , like I don't want to go to dinner with you , like I'll deal it that way , that's it . Um , so , uh , we , we get to , uh , we get to the , to the diner . You know the uh Del's playing with packets of sugar . Yep , yep . So here we go .
No , no , no , no , no , no , no . She's not playing with packets of sugar .
¶ Confrontation at the Diner
What ?
did she play with ?
She's playing with packets of sweet and low , which I thought was another magnificent choice , because to me again , like there's a diner where they're sweet and low at that table and they've been ordering sweet and low to put to sit on that fucking table since I don't know 78 . And that's what they do . You know what I mean .
Like you are not going to find like sugar in the raw at this place , you're going to find fucking refined . We don't give a shit about your health . Sugar and you're going to get sweet and low and maybe maybe the little blue . What are they Equal ?
Maybe Like if they really had a revolutionary moment in the mid 90s where they were really bringing things up to date . But like , I love that it was sweet and low , I just thought it was great .
And they're not going to have Splenda . The only reason I know Splenda is the yellow . I know that because when I used to take coffee and my sugar sugar in my coffee I wouldn't even take sugar , I would take sweet and low and we would refer to it as pink packets of poison because it can't be good for you .
It cannot be , it must be giving you something bad . But I needed my Gloria Jean coffee bean to be a little bit on the sweeter side . So pink packets of poison .
I want to point out I missed an establishing shot . When you , when you do these , when you move to a different location , usually the establishing shot is outside the place , like that's the standard thing .
Ok , now we establish a restaurant this one they did a straight top down establishing shot of a grill , three pieces of bacon , and then they crack an egg on it and I was looking at that , bacon in my mouth started to water . I'm like God damn , that looks like good .
If you get a plate I know some people are vegetarians , but if you get a place that makes like really good crispy bacon and it feels like diner food , maybe it's like that's the place you know .
It's a specific brand of delicious , like it's not . Like you're like , oh , this is cuisine . Like there's no use for the word cuisine in that place , but I could see having a breakfast there that I'm like that was great , right , very delicious yeah .
So Del is playing with Sweet and Low , as , as Coach Stutley points out . She's like so , like , here we are , and he's like , yeah , yeah and , and I'm like these guys don't know each other , like we last we forget they don't . They spent no time together . They don't have any idea .
Like there was a , there was overtures like from like a like a boyfriend , girlfriend sort of thing . They had made a deal , you know . They like sealed it with a kiss sort of like on Del , kiss on the cheek when he said he'd vote for her . But they are strangers . Wayne points out to a box truck and what's he pointing out there ?
And he laughs , coach , what does he see ?
Someone has spray painted boobs on the side of the box truck and that very much amuses , very much amuses Wayne .
So we get the waitress come up , you guys again , I think , as a method . Why does ? Why does Wayne laugh at that ? I think we're just reiterating like this is a kid , this is a .
Yeah , yeah , yeah , definitely yeah . I thought it was a way to remind us like he is 16 .
Well , just to be clear , it's the word boobs , but then also there's a tiny little circle inside both of the O's to make boobs . In addition to it being in that , it that elevates it . That's going to . Now we're at at least sophomore , at Q , that is that it elevates the art form .
You're right , it's great . And spray painted right on the side of a box truck , like just with absolute impunity . Waitress comes up , you guys know what you want to drink . They both say yes . Del says coffee , coffee , how old are you ? I don't know . How old are you . Well , you're a little young to be drinking coffee is all . And what is ?
What does Del say to the waitress boss ?
You're a little old to be wearing that choker . With the heart wants , with the heart wants .
Tracy , I reacted out loud to that .
I like yelped .
I was like , oh my God , oh my God , yeah , she comes with the heat .
I was like , oh , yeah , right , and why does she come ? Why does she come with the heat ?
Well , there's a few reasons , the first of which is I don't know what 15 is too young to be drinking coffee . I feel like seventh or eighth grade I definitely started drinking the very sugary iced coffee , whatever when . I was like in seventh grade , Eighth grade , I was having coffee , Like there was a pot of coffee , I was drinking coffee it .
So it feels like she is being condescended to like oh honey , this isn't booze , it's fucking caffeine . It's fine . If you saw a kid with a Coke , you wouldn't be like oh that's just little .
Does Dell look 15 ? Does Dell look 15 to you ? I mean , she looks young , she looks like 12 .
Maybe , yes , yeah , so here's the real thing is that , because of the way that TV like what's this ? Face McKenna , Mike McKenna , Is that the actor who plays Wayne .
Mark yeah , mark yeah .
Mark , there we go . One of those . M names I made out with it's fine . Mark McKenna in real life in this scene is 23 years old , because it was filmed four years ago and he's or no , yeah , 27 now . So I think that TV does a bad job . We age people up so often that we're like , oh , 15 year old , she could actually . She's probably 18 in real life .
At least I think that if you see actual 15 year olds out in the wild , you're like , oh , you're a tiny little baby .
Look how small you are . That's a good point actually . Yeah , Because I actually I grew up thinking that's what people looked like in high school . I was very confused , yeah .
She was either 17 or 18 when she shot this . Yeah , depending on I don't know when her birthday is or when they . I looked up where her birthday is Sierra Bravo and yeah , and it was like I don't know when they shot it during the year . So , yeah , but she's probably 18 .
But anyway , she , yeah , she would have saved us , yeah , okay , so so , so , the heart wants with the heart wants , right . Tracy , I mean also , she's conditioned to be confrontation , that's it . She comes from a family that's everything's confrontation . So right away , she's gonna , she's gonna view every interaction .
This interaction seems genuine and I don't think it was condescending . I think she's like , oh wow , you're . I don't think she was . Oh no , you think she right away .
Yeah , no , no , she's away . Oh yeah , that would have hit me . I think that would have hit me funny if I'm 16 years old . I say I want coffee and you question me about it like just bring my fucking coffee man .
Yeah , no , that it does not seem like she was being maternalistic or like what are you sure about that ? Like it seems like she's saying like you're not , you're not old enough to have coffee . Like it's very . I didn't pick up at all , but it was genuine or kind or nice . I thought the waitress was being a little bit of a bitch .
Even if , even if it was genuine or kind or nice , I didn't ask you and you're not my mom .
Yes , so that to me that was .
my reaction is like no absolutely , absolutely agree .
Yeah , like I asked you for a coffee and I'm asking for a fucking life advice . Do you think this is a proportionate response ?
No , I don't . I don't say yes , you go , you go , you go .
Well , okay . So I guess when I say proportionate , what I mean is actually not at all . I mean it is appropriately proportionate for what she wanted to do .
This is fucking Sean Connery telling Kevin Costner if they bring a knife , you bring a gun , they kill one of you guys , you kill five of them , like if , if she is bringing this to you to shut this down , you say , well , you're too old for that . Choker like you fucking come at him and then there's no more of this .
So I just like to jump in here and say that somehow bosses genetically wired to about every 30 minutes do something makes me love her more so . Quoting the untouchables generally and that speech specifically , which could be engraved on my family crest if not , my tombstone is 100% . But . But I did think it was intended to shut it down . It was intended to go .
I'm not having this conversation with you , I'm not debating whether the health effects on caffeine and teeny . I like I'm not doing this and I'm like I'm shutting it down . So I saw it not necessarily as proportionate . Yeah , I saw it as you bring a knife . They bring a knife , you bring a gun . Put it into the spring .
It's interesting , you guys are so it's fascinating that that speech really resonates , with you coach and boss saying it , and bosses so ready for confrontation . And so here's , I mean , you're just ready for it and OK for me . What I say is this makes this , makes it an us now .
This is why I don't get you know how I always say like I don't want to be like now . There's a thing right where a thing we have we have decided on the line . I want you to know I want . If I'm your enemy , I don't want you to have the foggiest idea that I'm your enemy . That why would I ever give you that ?
It's like just playing chess , like I'm going to move my pond in a place where you don't see it and it's going to be the most damage . Just on , it's just on . So I'm like I don't , I don't want , ok , ok .
Here's also the thing I just think you don't fuck with waiters and waitresses because they'll spit in your food , and so I just go like yeah you just don't do like as a rule , even if she is a bit .
¶ Confrontation Over Mistreatment of Waitstaff
And it's also the song from come on , baby , leave some change behind . From the band live , the song waitress . She was a bitch , but I don't care . You know the song . Oh , that one . I do not know how shit . I thought Boston know it for sure . I didn't think coach would know it , but yeah , it's like she's got a funky brain in her hair .
Come on , baby , leave some change behind . She was a bitch . She was a bitch , but good enough to leave some change . Everybody's good enough for some change . That's the , that's the line . And so I go first of all , like , like . It's a hard job to be a way to whatever . So I'm always really kind and I judge people by how they treat .
I think we all said this , boss . We said we all judge people like , boss , you said your , your , your quote was from dating . I want him to treat the waiter or waitress with kindness and treat me poorly , or yes , right , yeah , so then this is unacceptable . No , she started no no , no , no , yeah , she started it .
Yes , yes , yes no , no , that's exactly it . Because she is not being mistreated because she is a waitress . The mistreatment is not your waitress and I get to treat you poorly because of that .
Mistreatment is you came over here like a bitch and tried to tell me what to do , so now I'm going to give you what for , so that we don't have to have this conversation anymore . It is one thing to mistreat somebody because of their station . It is quite another two . If you are a bitch , I'm going to be a bitch .
This is , this is the version of Dell getting to prison and then beating up the biggest person in the room the first day to set a message like like she's sending a message , sending response .
It's more like a person comes across the yard to you and shoves you and you pick up a weight bench and and brain them Is that proportional ? No , does everybody just learn like probably don't want to , don't want to push that person .
Yeah , I think there's a difference , walking on to the yard saying I'm going to find the person and I'm going to do it , and you react and then people realize like oh yeah , you don't want to mess with them .
Okay , so tell me what you learned about Dell in this moment . Boss .
People don't know who they're being a bitch to . I think even more so than the messaging it's . She doesn't need to worry about the rest of the waiters coming over and being like oh honey , are you sure about that coffee ? She just wants this waitress to know you are not allowed to treat me in the way that you just thought that you could .
You can't do that to me . I went to when I was in my early 20s . I went to a fancy restaurant and I don't know how I got singled out . Maybe it was just that I really legitimately ordered something that was much more expensive than my college friends had ordered . But the waitress said to me you know , that's kind of on the expensive side .
And I was like , oh okay , well , we're going to add a side of macaroni and cheese and a salad and also bring me a dessert . Like fuck you , for whatever implication it is that I couldn't afford . I got a damn steak . I couldn't . I was putting it on credit cards , but you fucking mind your business and let me order what I'm going to order .
She's a brilliant , she's a genius , because she got you to add so much more to the bill . Yeah , what a , what a , what a simpleton . I mean that's fine , I don't care , all right , listen .
In this way . We are like in lockstep because , as you said that , I was like I don't give a shit , but I'm like that's fine .
Oh my God .
Yeah , no , I'm , you're not . You're not going to insinuate that I can't .
I don't give a shit what anybody else thinks . Like what a way . Like you know , I would be like oh , thanks for time . Yeah , actually that is .
I'm glad he told me that because , because it could have been that she's dealt with this before and then she has to deal with bullshit from people going oh , I didn't realize that was really expensive , like on at the end of the day , and she's like I'm going to head this off at the pass .
Every time somebody orders the , the , the fucking ribeye , I'm going to say it's , it's pretty pricey , and then let and then let . It might have not been an assault on you , I know . I know the SNL did the sketch , the Pedro Pascal episode , where the waiters pick one .
Like if a group of women come in , they always pick one woman to make fun of because they notice that the other women tip more . Something was like one really funny , pedro Pascal . So you just could have been the person in that in that scenario .
Maybe that's it , maybe that's fine . Maybe she understood that it also , if you picked the right person , that they would have this reaction and then order more . Maybe I was getting played , that's fine .
What is going to happen anytime that you are a bitch is that you're going to learn who you're being a bitch to like , I don't care what the situation at work . Last week , one of my coworkers I had sent a message asking for some information , requesting her to send a report , and she wrote back saying you could find it here .
And I said I don't have access to that side of the informational . If I did , I would have gotten it . Can you access it on your side and get me that info ? And she wrote back I'm not sure why I need to do your job for you . And so my immediate response was not go down to her office and brain her , because that's what I would want to do .
It was instead to email my boss , my boss's boss , her boss and the head of HR and say I'm not dealing with this and I don't know what happened on her side or what they had to do to her .
But she had to come over to my desk and apologize and say why don't we go out to lunch and we could , you know , patches over whatever and I said thank you so much , I would rather not , because you could try to patch it off all you fucking want to . It's not patched up like we are . We are not patched .
But then I got to be the bitch because she was a bitch , and now I get to outbitch her for the rest of our working relationship . It doesn't matter what she thinks of me . What she's going to know is that she can't be a fucking bitch to me .
Okay , I get it , I want . It's funny because in my whole life there's a thing we've talked about my buddy of mine , who I've been in a lot of touch with later .
I remember us specifically talking about this and it was wanting people to know you may , you may be up , I may be you , we don't know how it's going to go , but here's what you should know If you fuck with me , you will remember me . Yeah , I will tell the story of the day . Like , pack a fucking lunch because it's going to be a problem .
Like I get , so I get . I . Like , as boss is saying all this , I'm like I get , I get , I get where you're . Like you know what , run around to your whole fucking department and tell them the story so that I don't have to straighten them all out . And now you know , don't be no emailing me , with no bullshit .
Oh my God , coach , what do you think I would have done ? What do you think in that exact situation ? I'm curious if you think , like , if you know me well enough to know , because I because I'm a huge fan of like I don't like .
I see , the thing is I don't want this in my life , I would not want that interaction in my life and I wouldn't want to have to go in the same building and work with that person under those circumstances . I wouldn't have to . I wouldn't want to have to quote , unquote out , bitch someone and then have her you know , have an issue with me .
Any idea what I would have done in that situation , coach , based on , like , what you know about team building and how I try to do everything ?
You probably , depending on such , you might have made a joke of it . I could see you making a joke of it , 100% OK .
I would have walked into her thing and yelled Jessica , I'm here to do your job for you . I would have made , I would have wanted a big . I would have said what is wrong with you you think you're doing ? I told you I can't get the server . Yeah , you're doing my job . What is wrong Did someone ?
And she would say oh shit , someone you know did fuck me over this morning . I'm an apissi . I took it out . Now we're done . Now we're good , it's over .
Oh , but we're also done , we're also done and it's also over .
I know , but I that person would then know , like I'm an understanding person , I they're not going to give it . They're going to be like OK , it's no big deal if you step out of everybody's a shit day , it will be OK . But you don't want to live like , you want to live like it takes .
Yes , I do not want them to think that I'm understanding . It costs me nothing . I think that this is the fundamental misunderstanding between our personalities , because you think that I am paying an incredibly high cost in order to have a relationship where she knows I will be a bitch at the drop of a hat if I need to .
That that is emotionally weighing on me in any way , shape or form . It is not the idea that she would think that I will still be nice to her after she is a bitch to me is what would weigh on me . That would make me uncomfortable .
I want her to know she cannot be a bitch and I don't want her to feel good about me and I don't want us to be friends and I didn't want to go to fucking lunch with her partly because I wanted to be a bitch and partly because I don't like her and I'm not going to do that Like . This is what makes me feel
¶ Navigating Personal and Professional Boundaries
good .
This is . This is tangential , but I think it actually is interesting in the conversation in the , in the way that we've talked about the continuum of our Ted Lasso reactions and where I'll be just like , yeah , like , oh yeah , this is great , the last , so way , and you know what .
And then coach finds himself sort of like in between , maybe a little more to one side . I right now I'm having that experience around this because I have done what coach described . I have done versions of that , but I have also quickly I'll tell this story .
I was coaching a game and short version , one of my kids gets tossed and I , legitimately I do not understand what just happened because like to me , like I didn't see anything that didn't seem to be whatever , and suddenly he's like so you know , number of blah , blah , blah is out of here . And so I go for what ?
And the coach , from across the field , the opposing coach yells because he's been doing the whole game and I turn , I like whipped my head , I said who are you talking to ? And it got awfully quiet . I saw walking toward him and the referees came in front of me like coach , coach , coach , coach , coach .
The kids are kids are kids are on it and I stopped and I was like he does not talk to me . I talked to you guys , you guys talk to him . That's how this works .
And they were all like all right , all right , all right , and he's yelling at the guy that sent thugs out to wreck his kids . That's what he's yelling at Coach teaches ankle breakers and that guy's trying to protect his kids . What I'm listening . Okay , we're talking about different . It doesn't matter .
Everybody , everybody comes at it from a different , a different perspective . And , like boss , I'm not saying my way is better , I'm a , I'm a terrible people pleaser , but I think it would weigh on me .
I just want that person to know hey , I get you have a , I get we all bad days , we all say shit , we don't mean , we all accidentally , whatever come to me , we'll figure out what .
It's why I , like Ted Lasso , this feels like a world that I understand , I want to live in , and but I just want that person to be able to be like you know , but don't do that bullshit . Like I would say , can we just agree next time you want to send , you want to snip or snipe at anybody in this office , not just me .
Just stop by my office on the way in and go . I had a fucking rough morning .
My car got a flat , my kid got an F on his paper , like whatever it is , unload a little bit well , and then and then I'm not releasing you into the , into the wild with , like you know , rage or whatever that is let's just and then and then , if I do that and somebody else does it , literally the last away .
It's like what you know , we're all like , you know , we're all working together . And I would think , like it's something that it feels to me like a better , a better version for a certain personality type , and I really can appreciate the fact , boss , that you're saying there's no additional weight on you . I don't understand it .
I don't know what I can , even I don't even replace in my psyche to process what that must be like . It feels like absolute freedom .
I don't even know what that would be so interesting yeah .
Yeah , no , I am . It has become a meme and it's interesting because the actual emotional truth of the scene is opposite of what's being said . But on Mad Men there's a scene where oh god damn it , what's that character's name ? I can't remember the character now , but Don Draper essentially stole one of his pitch ideas .
One of the younger ad writers no , not Pete , the guy that turns out . He had schizophrenia I'll look him up in a second . But it's the elevator scene where he's yelling at Don because Don stole one of his pitch ideas . He said you know , when I go home at night , I think about you and I feel sorry . And Don says I don't think about you at all .
And it's like when that happened live , when I was watching it , I started clapping and I was like that's so , that's so amazing . Like I'm telling the story now about this woman because it specifically came off . Tomorrow . I will literally never think about her again , like unless it comes up it's .
I'm not going to think about the fact that I didn't go yell at her . It's done to me .
Isn't that sort of desensitized though , or some somehow . I mean , we are part , you know , talk about one love coach . Like we all . We are all part of the same continuum , we're all part of the same world . We're all trying to share the space , we're all trying to be good citizens and boss .
You are incredibly generous and thoughtful and you fight for people who you're always fighting for , in my opinion , the right causes and things like that .
So it just strikes me as odd that this person , then that in your brain , this person , falls outside the DMZ like , okay , every , I guess , once they out themselves as an asshole , you go this is , this is actually really probably very healthy , where you say , yeah , no , you've shown me your true colors .
Like we're , we're good here , and I would say like , oh , I would probably give them a second chance . I would give it like , if they , if they're continuously a fucking asshole , then you go okay , we were never , you're never going to work in the system we're trying to do here .
You don't belong in this type of environment , or you don't , or I don't belong in your type of environment if it's that toxic or whatever , whatever it is . But like you were just like , no , we're good , once you write that to me , I then I . But you did say you didn't like her . Anyway , did that ? Did that weigh into this ?
So that is another thing is that we had already butted heads over other things and had other difficulties . Like this has been sort of a long running . What sort of looking for here ? There's a lot of tension , will say . And also , what I am saying right now is not like I will fight for any human right that is theoretically being denied to her .
I will also fight for federal policies that would help better her life and the lives of her children . Like I will absolutely fight for that . If she comes back next month and is like hey , I got a level to you . I went to a shit ton of therapy and I was an asshole and I'm super sorry , we're good , we're fine again , that's totally great .
Until she does that , until she , you know , builds the door to repair our relationship like I don't care about her .
This is so funny because we asked this exact question on our , on our , when we sent out a questionnaire to all of our listeners and to our butter cups , and there was this one thing about you know , making a road back for Nate , and I remember one person's response was like I'm happy to , I'm happy to make a road back , but let them know that they're going
to do all the fucking pavement like they have to make the road . So what I'm saying is , I guess , like in that , in that analysis of that situation , you made it clear there's no road back , like we're fucked . There is no road back .
I don't think that I did , though . What I did was I decided she was handling something unprofessionally , so I was going to professional the shit out of it .
I was going to be as professional in terms of routing it to the people who would handle it and having them discuss it with her , instead of having me go to her office and scream at her about her terrible fucking northwoods haircut , like that's not what I'm going to do . Ouch , I'm going to send it in the right ways .
It's just that when she came back and she was like let's have that , when she said I'm sorry , she might have meant it , she might have done it in order to smooth things over , because she knows she went too far over the line she said the shit .
She said like I don't think that she actually wanted to be my friend and go out to lunch and make things good between us . I think that that was a . I'm going to do these steps and then I won't get written up by HR because I've done what I've supposed to do .
Yeah . No no , I had element oh no , I would just add an element to this and I think it does matter in the context , I think in the context of the show and some of how boss described it and some of what I had in mind when I was saying . Like I don't know , you think you talk it to .
I think if you're , if you've lived a life generally , so just your context , or the greater context you are physically in , is one where you are aware of not allowing people to go too far , like if you're Dell , right , like you better have some , not just this is not boundaries , is not some like theoretical thing to be discussed .
Boundaries is like I could be in danger soon , like if people think they can mess with me . This is yes , rob .
Yes .
And I hear you saying the same thing . Yeah , I hear you saying like , see , if I let you get away with this , I'm inviting trouble into my life coach . I hear coach saying , oh , no , like this is a moment and I'm not inviting trouble . I experienced , I think , the situations I'm thinking of , a more like what you described , which is like yes , I can't .
I can't let the word be out there that you can talk to Orlando like that . I just can't let that be a thing in the world . I have to let you know .
So anyway , yeah and no , and I think that that I'm not going to say anything about indicative of upbringings or anything else like that , but I do know that there is a when you feel as if the assumption is , people can be disrespectful and unkind unless you force them not to be .
The first reaction is forcing them to not be disrespectful or unkind because you know that that could lead to trouble , and we obviously see with Dell that people will treat her like shit if they get a chance , so she needs to not give anybody a chance ever . It is absolutely more defensive . It is not .
It is not interested in giving other people teachable moments like that is fucking not where she's coming from , but she hasn't had the you know space or the emotional surplus in order to do that . Like all of her focus has been on protecting herself . This is how she protects herself .
I think that's right . I think it's right . And I will say , for the record , I have avoided the corporate space because the things that happen in that space I don't like the language , I don't like the corporate bullshit , I don't like that .
I was , I was clearing this off behind me because I was in a situation the last , the last corporate gig I had was I was on this team and this lady started talking down to me and I was like I , like I was like I literally awarded in this space , like I don't even , like I know I've been doing this longer , you know I just I was like OK , so I talked
to a sort of a mutual friend at the company . I was like what is the deal ? And he sort of had a thing where he he's like OK , I better smooth this over . And he said I think he rubbed you know , rubbed , coach the wrong way . And so she did the thing where she was like hey , can we like have a little call and get to know each other ?
And I was like sure , so we did , we did it . It was very nice , it was very pleasant and I was open to it , I was trying to do that thing and then maybe it was fine For that . I was fine and I I didn't trust her . But I didn't . I was like OK , she's , she's a human , it's fine .
¶ Meeting Incident and Movie References
And then , like six months later , I was in this meeting . She didn't know I had called into the meeting late and that she started like attacking one of our products . You know , I was like sitting right there and I was like wow , like wow , wow .
Because for me I was like OK , we've done this thing , we've established like a protocol , and I was like OK , she's just like a corporate weasel , like a weasel , like a terrible , like you know , smile to your face and stab you in the back and I'm like I don't , I don't fault her as much as I fault the environment that this is what we build , this is how
we build it , this is the thing that works , this is the thing that , like you , protect yourself with HR in a certain way . So so some of us are just not suited to that space . But yeah , it makes sense to establish these boundaries , boss , and you know this is OK . So let's talk about that . Dell says Heart wants with the heart wants Tracy , you .
But Tracy goes OK , coffee looks . He's like all right , like OK , like you , and when he goes coffee he just does it to like to bond with them , right ? He doesn't even know what coffee is right , never had it before or he knows what it is , but he's probably never had right ? Tracy walks away . What is , what is ? What does Dell say ?
Thank you , tracy , like I was like wow , yeah , wait , wow .
That was not .
Yeah , no that was like Jesus Christ .
She definitely threw an extra elbow Like I think she got it Del , I think she got it .
Yeah , that was just for fun .
That was not to make her point .
I would like also to mention that I was watching with closed captions and they interpreted her as saying the hot wants what the hot wants , because apparently her accent is so the hot wants with the hot wants the hot , yeah , that's true . Also , the character I couldn't remember from Mad Men is Michael Ginsburg , played by oh I do , so that's who I remember .
Okay , so I'm going to get waffles . Is it good ? Is it good ? What was the thing that's like your knees , or something to say church ?
Oh , who's church ? What's that ? Oh , that's the church bells .
Who's church ? Who's church ? Yeah , is it good ? I'm going to get waffles . Is it good ? Waffles , yeah , yeah , are they good ? You ain't never got an waffle ? I don't think . No , jesus , fuck you . I can see . No man . What's that ? It's a movie . You've seen a movie before ? Right , yeah , I've seen a movie . Is what he says ? All right ?
Well , this is one with a hobbit guy from Lord of the Rings . Finds what anything in the modern world is . So the hobbit guy teaches them how to like skateboard and shit .
You know , I'm just like , I'm just so easy for this brand of thing Because , as it was said , I was like that is a solid synopsis , like is it free ? The way I would phrase it , or the way it's going to show up on Netflix ?
No , but I was like that is a totally solid synopsis of Encino , made like nicely done , complete with the actor you've seen , and blah , blah , blah . Like it was like this it's well done .
There was no doubt . It's also guide boss .
As much as you guys said that Tablasso felt like a Gen X show , this makes me feel like it's a millennial show , because there was the triple feature of Brendan Frazier in Encino man and school ties and Jesus Christ . What was the one with Robin Ellison ? What's her face ? Fuck . I'm going to have to look it up in a second .
But when he came out in like the early 90s , it would people think that they're discovering Brendan Frazier . Now you have fucking no idea , if you were an 11 year old girl in the early 90s , the extent to which Brendan Frazier could ruin your entire fucking life . Like he was so hot , it was amazing . And then he did airheads .
It was giving me a fucking break . Well , you know , it's , it's .
School ties Go ahead . Coach . No , you guys , I was going to say school ties came around casting to new and the prep schools casting kids . And I read for the Brendan Frazier part , and I read so well for it that they were like Holy shit . They were like I was sitting there , like they looked up so they just had kids coming through .
And then I read and they both were like they looked at each other like this , and then they're like can you do that again ? And they press record on the thing . So I did it again and I did a little . I did a little , even a little better . And then they're like Jesus Christ , like okay , let's get a picture .
And I stood up and they both went , uh , that's too that's too sure . So I could have been , could have been in Ceno man , yeah , yeah .
So it turns out it was in Ceno man school ties with honors as what I couldn't remember , and then airheads , just extraordinary , he's a beauty . And then he was in the mommy , jesus Christ , yeah .
That was his like Indiana Jones stuff , all that , all the mommy stuff , um , uh . And then he just won for the whale , right , uh , recently . So , um , uh , what's Lord of the Rings ? And she says , shit's sake , which is again . That language is spot on . That is , that is regionally appropriate .
All right , now we're , but now we're into , uh , and do a back to Gellar's Sergeant .
Gellar's office .
All right , walk me through the incident , please . He's not making um uh eye contact with with uh , of course , uh , uh uh , dell uh , dell's dad um , who was played by Dean Winters , bobby and study coach . Were you gonna say something just ?
quickly . Uh , uh , buttercup . Uh , jana , uh , pointed out that we did not point out that this is mayhem . Also , uh , I believe Ryan O'Reilly I had to stop watching us for uh reasons .
We can get into some other point , but , um , so , yeah , and , and also , people don't always think of this , but he was , uh , tina Fey's boyfriend on 30 rock and was brilliant . Oh , do you ?
do you guys not know that is stuffy Not that is what I think .
Oh really , yeah , Like there is Dennis Duffy .
People don't reference that , but sorry that .
hey , dummy does he know you're the Bieber King .
Oh , my God .
Because that was the funniest fucking lie .
Technology is cyclical to this day yes . I can't think of that without just shaking my head and laughing , because technology is cyclical .
Yeah , I'm waiting for a call from my manager , I feel like , uh , producer Luke's um love of the laboratory line was me with Alec Baldwin sneaking in . Does he know you're the Bieber King ? Just fucking come on .
So good , so good , uh , all right . So , um , yeah , bobby's sitting there across from , uh , sergeant Geller . Sergeant Geller's got his eyes fixed to his computer screen . All right , walk me through the instance please . Okay , kid , I don't know 1617 . So this is like . The language is so good , I just want to call it the writing it is so .
It is just so fucking well done . That's exactly how people speak . It's just , it's just right . Um , uh , I don't know . Okay , kid , I don't know . 1617 is all bracing in my fucking house . Uh-huh , and he saws my boys over there busts up a perfectly good Zenith .
Like fucking . I love that . I love that . He called it Perfectly good .
Zenith Perfectly good , yeah , because you saw the TV and yeah , right .
It is an old fashioned tube TV . I was like Del San Cino man on a VHS . I'm willing to bet a million dollars on that . Um , uh , and he saws my boys there , busts up a perfectly good Zenith and he bites off my fucking nose . Jesus , sergeant , uh , giller says , not looking at him .
Yeah , now this little cocksucker is out God knows where doing it with my daughter doing God knows fucking what , um , which I'm always like . Yeah , you always think that because you're a animal , exactly , and that's what you would be doing because you're disgusting and so , of course . But okay , yes , well , this is not good .
So , sergeant , no shit , sherlock , um , look , are you going to put somebody on this or what ? Because I was watching Dateline and they say like the first 48 hours the most critical , or some shit like that Bingo . I again , this is how people talk . It's so , it is so good , it's right on the money . Bingo what you got . You got something .
Sergeant Gellister's life throws unexpected things our way , but if we stay the course and be brave , um , and he goes to his printer Now during this , what is going on in the background with genius ?
I am so glad you finally brought this around . These two fucking dickheads and I have to say it just that way are literally playing like playing like children they are . They are not children , they are playing with the gun . They are playing with his gun and it is . It is loaded , like anyone who knows .
¶ Guns, Funeral, and Unflinching Violence
I I've learned a little about guns . I'm by no means whatever , but here's a list of things that you do and don't do . One you always check if a gun is loaded these assholes obviously know and you never point a gun at something you don't plan to shoot . They're like joking around one's pointed at the other one's chest .
I'm like you , fucking morons and so they're so they're so ignorant of what the fuck they're doing that they dropped the clip out of the gun , and I don't know if they didn't notice it or didn't understand what that meant . I was like what the yeah , so they are just .
I think they were like oh shit , they saw the clip drop on the go , put the gun down the gun . Apparently the Sergeant Gellister was so distracted he put his service service weapon on the shelf on the way in these idiots start playing with it , dropped the clip out , go oh shit . And he gets up when he grabs something from the .
When the Sergeant Gellister grabs something from the printer , he's like how in the world ? He notices the clip on the ground , picks it up and and that's when you're like oh , is it a model ? No , it's his active weapon .
Yeah , he puts it in the holster at that point . It also makes you think about him , though . Right like this is the man who's in charge of like keeping an eye on crime , and meanwhile there are three people in this room besides him , two of whom are playing with his gun , and he has zero clue of it .
So it's like , oh my yeah , what is what is happening ? Right again , I like , I like the humanity of it . He grabs this piece of paper , studies , it walks out , says you have my word , mr Setti , I'll find you doc . Phenomenal . Yeah , what did you say , boss ?
Dog . It's my daughter .
Yeah , yeah , that's her sister you're talking about . It's my fucking , just my fucking daughter we're talking about . Everything will be okay , he says . Walking it just doesn't even . He's just not in the same planet as them right now . You , carl , carl and Teddy , like mumbling to themselves . And of course mayhem gets up and peaks at the screen .
And what does he see on the screen ? Coach ?
He sees and knows about the doctor's visit and you know the the reason for the the ball check that started at all . So yeah , every , everyone's a mess , like , basically , that's the lesson here is the police are kind of a mess .
Obviously , this family's a mess , it's all a big mess , come on so we're back in the diner with with Wayne and Dell , who does this . So he died , like yesterday . Yeah well , you're gonna go back for the funeral or whatever ? Not , I don't think so , don't you want to , like I don't know , dress him up in a suit , have some praise ?
Priests say some shit about God and stuff .
I love she had . I love that . I know there's a way this is done . She has no real connection to what that would , what that actually means , which probably puts her in a much bigger group than we think . But she's like I think when somebody dies , you supposed to like I don't put him in a suit and have the priest say something .
That's the way I remember it . I liked that she was , it wasn't . Don't you think there should be a funeral ? You'd be saying the eulogy like it wasn't any of that .
It was like I think after somebody dies is supposed to put him in a suit and call a priest , like right , yeah , and even the lowest like life form in this neck of the woods understands there are rules around that type of thing like everybody doesn't matter who you are , even if you're , you know , from the wrong side of the tracks or the the shithole on
Norton , everybody follows these particular . That would be crazy , not to . It's also part of what destroys everything around here and and keeps everything you know . Like these , these accepted rules that that's sort of way down on . Everybody have to follow the rules . You know this . It's just a sort of a . It ends up being an anchor on a lot of .
I mean , you can see her dad saying of course we're Catholics .
You fucking degenerate like yeah of course yeah , oh , for a hundred percent yes oh , even though I was never baptized and even though my niece said whose church , my mom still doesn't eat meat on Fridays . Now it turns out that , as as of today , she doesn't eat meat , period .
She's given up almost everything other than fish , but when she was eating meat she would , just not on Fridays yeah , it's amazing how those things like sort of sort of wiggle their way into your subconscious or your conscious .
So when he says I poured gasoline on the house and I let it on , I poured gasoline on the house and him and let it on fire , and the thing that jumped out to me their coach was , and him , imagine pouring gasoline on the , on the and your father's dead body . I think that would be that .
That , that holy mackerel , that that when he said and him , I just couldn't get past that . I think I probably paused the first time I watched . It was like whoa , what ?
I find , but see what I find , and there'll be more of this in the episode , certainly we saw it in the first episode . There's sort of you know people talk about dissociating and you know we live in a time where you kind of get these psychological terms or whatever they get , into the the , the general jargon and all this kind of stuff .
But I don't he doesn't , as I can tell this , so disassociated from the violence or the pain or the ugliness . He just doesn't flinch and the show doesn't flinch either and that's part of what I'm experiencing about the show . The show is the definition of unflinching and I'm sure he thought look , the right way .
Look , if I'm going to set this place on fire , I'm not going to have it so like there's some like kind of charred carcass of my father left , like I'm doing a thing . This is what I'm doing . I am torching this place and leaving it behind , so I'm going to do it correctly really is kind of Viking funeral ish .
As much as it seems so like ghastly on a certain level , it's almost more respectful on another level . Like he , this is what I'm doing . I didn't just like throw matches at the house randomly and sort of like freak out , I decided this was my course of action . So it's for me is both . It's like both ghastly and sort of like .
Oh , that's even more respectful in an interesting way there's also an element of I'll burn this fucking place to the ground . Beard was going to do it because he was done with what that would have been if you bring that benefit Arnold back right , exactly that's right .
Judas , you bring that , judas , yeah if you bring that Judas and Wayne is saying like I'm burning this fucking place to the ground about .
I mean and it's I like that you said you say that there's a .
I tend to like moments where people either show or embody something that we say rather flippantly , and I always remember because I used to use the phrase after I learned it , I said , oh , and so they'll get hit by a bus or something , which was my sort of like I don't really give a shit how they die , we'll figure that out , like .
And I remember watching mean girls on a plane and when she got hit by that bus , she got hit by a fucking bus on a plane like . I felt bad , but it was my honest response . I went I like I was like , oh my god , I mean it was really . I was very sorry and it , but it was my honest response . Like you really fucking did it .
Like that's a thing we say , like you're not supposed to actually have the person hit by a bus , but here it is . So anyway , I thought like I love that he actually burnt this motherfucker to the ground that's what you say .
To say like I am so crazy that I don't yeah and he's like no , no , I really am so crazy that I really will burn this motherfucker to the ground . In fact , I just did what I love that .
Coach , I really , really love what you said about how the show is on flinching and Wayne is on flinching and and he knows what it's about and the show knows what it's about .
¶ "The Meaning of 'No Priests'"
The show is called . This episode is called no Priests . When he says I poured gas in on the house and him and lit on fire , del like absorbs that and she goes okay , no priest then . And I was like , what does that mean ?
So , like , for me it's like , oh , when you're in this new England , which is like sort of a pillar of Irish Catholicism , you know like , and and then a foundational structure as as sort of omnipresent and ubiquitous as the church is like no , we're going to forego that . I feel like it means your Han Solo , like .
You know what I mean , that you're , you are off the reservation , truly , truly , and I really loved the choice of naming the episode that and establishing , like , if you won't even bring a priest to a funeral , like you know , you go right , man , we are really , we're doing this a different way we're living by our own rules yeah .
Well it . Also there is an idea of the way that the priest represents the church and the church is represented like . It is so much an idea of we're not having a priest that we are giving up the idea of holiness or godliness altogether .
In the musical rent one of them that I actually do love the shit out of there's a song where one of the characters during a breakup sings goodbye love . And my college roommate now used to like just say that to each other when we're leaving . Okay , goodbye love . And then we head out .
Super loved it so much , but it's more so like the goodbye to this person that I love , but also goodbye to the idea of love , entirely like goodbye to it in my life forever whatsoever . So I felt like there was a little bit like oh , no priest , alright . Well , like fucking , no god , no church , no community .
In a lot of ways , because it's so based on the church , like just none .
I love that , I love it . I like how she she sort of roll rolls with it . And can you walk us through the next part here , boss ?
Because I'm the thief , yeah for sure . So she is sort of playing with the salt and pepper shakers . So these little gnomes that are interesting because those are supposed to be in gardens , Like it's a garden gnome but it's a salt and pepper shaker .
Yeah , I was like , oh , that's interesting . But again , yeah .
And then she takes the salt one and sticks it in her pocket and he notices she really doesn't notice him , noticing that she's just like no , I'm stealing , this is mine . And so then after that she says so , this car ? And he says my dad's car . She said no , the one outside with the tits on it , it's not a car , it's a truck .
So you're already wrong on that part . But that's fine , the one you drag me out of my house in the middle of the night to go get . That's rewriting a little bit . He said Would you like to come with me ? And she agreed to rather enthusiastically .
She says it's in Florida and he says yeah , I'm pretty sure , you're pretty sure , but you know where we're going , right , like you have an address . Well , the city or town . Yeah , I got to go to the bathroom . She immediately gets up .
Okay , I don't want to stop us there because all things will be revealed , but I was like , at that moment I was like the fuck , Like I was . It did a good job of making me ask a question , Right , Like as much as I'm bringing you into a story like to go , what's that I'm curious about ?
that was him saying I've got a town , a city or a town , I'm not sure which one was her all the sudden going ? Oh the fuck am I doing Like what ? I'm going to Florida with a stranger on a bike that can't hold my ass up . What the like immediately panics that in and she had to flee , is what I thought turns out that's not exactly what happened .
I , if you look at he has a little nervousness around when he admits what he did with his dad and she gives him like , oh , no , priest , then , and she gives him a look , she's like oh , okay , like .
She raises her eyebrows , she knocks on the table a little bit , like , okay , like , and he registers that and he has a little anxiety around it , a little uncertainty , and so I read like exactly what boss said , like Okay once , okay , all right , well , let's talk about the plan . Oh , there is no plan . Okay , I gotta go to the bathroom .
Like like I definitely had read
¶ Men's Experience Buying Tampons
it . Like that we come to find out Dells in the bathroom , 20 pieces shit . She's hammering on the the tampon machine there , like the ancient it really is . I thought it was a good like visually . I thought it was like just like , just to put yourself in a woman's situation where you're like are you fucking ? Like ?
This is like from the 1800s , this fucking machine , and it's empty . And I tapped it and it fell off the wall and it's still empty and like I .
I'd also like to point out that if you ever went into a restroom and it had like a little dispenser where you had to put in a quarter in order for them to give you toilet paper , you would lose your fucking mind .
But for some reason , because women traditionally have been the only people that have gotten periods , we don't just hand out pads and tampons every rich way , they're higher taxes on feminine products or feminine products scarcity , scarcity . In some areas it's such fucking garbage Like .
Yeah , so you can understand how that's something that should rightly be made a profit off of us .
That makes a lot of sense . It's some , by the way , in case the sex ed in the country is as bad as I remember it being . There are a lot of especially dudes , who believe you can just hold it . Like , why don't you just wait until you go to the bathroom ? You can't , you can't hold it .
It just blood just drips out of your body , like you can't do anything about it . And these are the products , the ones that are supposed to prevent literal blood from coming out of you . That they charge 25 cents for . The most annoying part about that isn't actually even that they charge you .
It's who the fuck has quarters anymore I have to go and find a dollar bill and then get quarters in order to break a dollar to right .
All right , I wasn't the absolute fuck . I was not encouraging coach earlier , but I now have . It will get tampon dispensers with the markup that take Apple pay . I would go be so much happier . There you go , it would fit it . Suck it , elon . I am leaving the technological charge , or here we go .
So we , so we she . She has no ability to get tampon . She calls to Wayne from the bathroom Wayne , come here . What's the matter ? She says what boss ? I need you to do what ?
I need you to buy me some tampons To which he's like absolute horror for both teenage girls . I can only imagine how it is for teenage boys .
Oh yeah , they don't know each other . No , yeah , this is like the first . Like this is their first sort of issue . Yeah , Not between them , but it's their first . Like , okay , we got to jump as an obstacle . Let's , what are we going to do and how are we going to do it ?
And I think this is a key element of this part of the episode this you know something that that is a that's thematically very , very important is , okay , their first sort of obstacle . You don't know what a temp . You do know . You know a tampon is right in C , no man , yeah , yeah .
I know what one is Okay , great , I normally would pack some , but I guess I forgot . You know , put a bikini in there . I guess I've read the tampons . So I'm gonna need you to go across the store and buy me across the store and buy me some and some pants .
Yes , across the store was so great .
I love that . I need you to go across the store . Yeah , it was cool .
Yeah , and some pants , sweatpants . Yeah , these are my only pants and they currently look like a fucking saw movie .
Now do we think Wayne has seen a saw movie ? Probably not , it'd be more likely to see that . It'd be more likely .
Yes , but still , that's funny yeah .
And some of my friends who come from this . This type of family horror is much more prevalent . Like the movie du jour , you know , they really like the whole family will sit around and you know , watch the hills , have eyes , or you know saw , or you know one of these like human centipede the whole family . It's fun for the whole family .
I'm like , wow , it is . I have a whole thing about horror movies , but but and like what they're actually doing and what they tap into and I think it's like you know , sort of like again it goes back to like when we were prey for 150 million years . It just taps into some primal thing that you know really it's the same thing .
It's like why people do roller coasters . You know like it's that . You know that you can , you can manufacture that thrill . You know as much as it's . Yeah , I don't have that . Whatever , I don't do it . I can't , not my , not my really wait .
So , boss , not so much with the horror .
It depends on the kind of horror . I don't do anything gore or slash or necessarily like it .
So the first saw movie I saw and I thought was pretty good because there was a , it wasn't as gory , even though it was very horrific , and then , after it became more of a , like , we're going to figure out the most creative ways of killing this , the fucking human centipede . I am having none of that ever , absolutely not . Am I doing that ?
Yeah , that's interesting . Yeah , Now I'm . My sense is like life , life is enough .
Life is free . Life is free . That's really my feeling , I do feel like , yeah , I feel like I can get down more with like a Stephen King horror , especially because he admitted the other not so long ago , One of the most terrific things he's ever done .
His wife almost divorced him because he would not stop playing mambo number five , Just over and over and over again . She was like if you do that , I'll leave you .
That is horror . Yeah , that's great . That song does something to me , like it gives me like true rage , that heart . I'm like , oh my God , why would you put this in your ? It's not like the song isn't catchy or whatever , but that one sound that the guy makes , oh my God .
Mine is how Far Is Heaven ? By Lois Lomley Boys . Which fucking , what kind of name is that ? Guys , what are you doing ? But I don't . I'm sure a lot of people loved it . It was on the radio a lot . It made me want to pull my fucking hair out . Every time you do that , Gotta hate it .
Yeah , no , the B 52s used to do that to me . Love Shaq , baby . I'm like I'm like .
I know , I know , but I'm just no .
I like rock lobster Like it was just love Shaq .
That one is amazing . Rock lobster sucks . It is I get it , I get it . Wait , rock lobster sucks , don't you say yes , but love Shaq is amazing .
Interesting . Okay , all right , yeah , no , it's cool to be wrong . Um so , um , this is a uh . She goes oh for shit's sake , wait , just go . And he turns , he turns .
I used to , um , do a bit . I may have told you I was going for , but I used to do a bit . About the first time it was really like a conglomeration of shit to make the bit .
But about the first time that um Daphne asked me to go to the uh , to the store for her to get tampons , and because it really I don't think I'm not saying it's okay , because I don't know if there's anything men use that we would sort of say , oh , it totally is totally fine that women are completely ignorant of this thing and couldn't possibly figure out
which one to get . But for men , like we're like , but really when I went down that I'm not this part I'm serious about when I went down that aisle , that was a brand of overwhelm . I was not prepared for it , like I thought this would be like kind of like a bit embarrassing and whatever .
But I remember standing there , not unlike Wayne , and being like oh my God , like what the fuck are all these ? And I then , where the joke goes is , then I saw a box and it said OB and I was like thank you , universe , I'm out of here .
Oh , that's funny . Oh , that's the way it should be .
Yeah , so anyway , but that was that .
It is overwhelming , especially like I've been there in that situation , and then I go it's not , it's also , it's because you're like okay , I know , generally , because I try to take pride in not being how you know , I want to be like I'm informed , I'm fine , I can do this , is no problem .
But then you go there's just a lot of choices and I go , oh , this is like a personal like do you want wings ? Do you not want wings ? Do you like the feeling of this ?
You want wings , you want you do want wings , some people don't .
Yeah , some people go , they go super . Like what do you like , what am I like ? And other people are like Are you kidding me ? You're gonna give me a fucking baby side . Like .
I like , like , like , like , like he Lee , like he Lee in that stall , yeah , yeah .
So you never know , you never that kind of thing . So I remember I called Juliana one time . She sent me whatever , and I'm like I was just like standing the thing , that being the idiot that I am . I call her up . She's like Hello , and I'm like Could you describe your vagina for me ? She's and then she told me exactly , she's like you know .
I just always get these right here , Okay thank you , Mike .
Like right , that's for an idiot .
Well , so have I talked about it . You just said that you're an idiot for not knowing this . Have I discussed NASA when they had to send a woman into space ? The comedy song ? Have I mentioned this yet ?
So I'll post it .
It's Marcia Belsky , the comedian who sang a song about how , when Sally Wright went into space for seven days , they supplied her with 100 tampons 100 for seven days . And then they asked will that be enough ? And as she points out in the song , these are literal rocket scientists and they have asked do you need 100 tampons for for seven ?
Because I think as much as anything , and it was built into my joke wherein I get sent back to the store because there's cardboard and that's bad and I'm like I don't really want to know . There is a level of please God , just tell me exactly what to get , as little as I can understand this and get this mission over Right .
And so I'm sure they were like I don't know , maybe 10 . And some other guy was like if we give her 10 , and she needs 20 , we got to talk about this board . Just put 100 . Just put 100 on there , just put 100 .
Yeah , but it's amazing that one even for the smartest
¶ Discussion on Various Topics
man in the country . This is something which they have absolutely no reference , no idea .
None , oh , even the ability to think it through and go . There are seven days in a week .
What are we actually ? How do ?
we think women are doing that . We could possibly approach 100? .
Well , so that that's actually . The other thing is that they're like how can we figure this out ? Like the immediate , the next action is not . Why don't we go ask a woman that immediately Like let's just give her 100 ? And that should be fine .
Yeah , that's true .
Well , sadly women are not allowed to be aerospace engineers . So you know that prevents . You just can't have much laugh because they don't have any famous movies about that , that's right , there's an .
any book no underappreciated black women sending men to the military .
All the credit for it . Okay , listen , I did not expect to have to parcel out Wayne into into into parts , but again , this is this is why I wanted to . We're going to stop there for Wayne today .
I don't want this to get too long , but I also I want to point out that it almost doesn't matter what the show is and if the buttercups and the listeners will sort of roll with us along those lines . I don't even know if you have to watch Wayne to listen to this week Basically tell you what happens .
Anyway , I hope I would like for you to experience it , because I love the show and I think it's worth it . But mostly it's a conduit for discussing some of these themes and some some of these sort of moments and and we'll pull it all back to to in a relationship with Ted Lasso and in various ways .
But I really just want to say thank you to everyone who is sort of riding along with us and enjoying the , the little dalliance over into a different show there will be , before this thing is done , there will be many , many shows and if this doesn't happen to typically your fancy , I certain that we will find one that will , like I said , the pendulum will
swing both ways . We will have shows that seem very gritty , and then there are the next show on on on the dock . It is , it's pillow soft . It is . Boss is going to fight to get through it , but but coach will love it . So again , we have to .
We're sort of going to make sure that we recover all the bases , but I want to thank everyone for joining us and for being part of this . Coach , where do people find you if they want to ?
find the podcast unstuck a ? F . You can find wherever you get your podcasts and I also come on over to we align and doing that same conversation for all of us being our best selves , living our best lives .
Boss , what about you ?
So still on Twitter , but also on Blue Sky , figuring out how to do that more . It's Dumbly underscore chambers . Also writing at the antagonist , which is antagonist blogcom I did a post about hot men and terrible hats recently and I'm just realizing now apparently going to fucking riot fest tonight . So that's the . I literally just bought the ticket right now .
So when you hear this , I will have been rocked out by braid . Thank you so much .
What is the ? What fest ? Are you fasting riot ?
fest . Tonight is riot fest , which is Illinois wine . It's just a bunch of rock bands . In Chicago , douglas bark , tonight , foo Fighters are headlining . I am going to see braid , specifically a band from Chicago , and champagne that I love , and tomorrow you will be going where . Oh , the Illinois wine fest .
All of the most prestigious and best wines grown in Illinois .
All right .
Wow , that sounds delicious . You're gonna have to get us a bottle , boss .
No , I won't .
I'm not gonna do that to you . I absolutely will .
I will say that my best friends , mandy , who I've mentioned on the show before , when we went a couple of years ago , there was a one wine called Sangarita , which , as the name implies , is a Sangria that tastes like Margarita , and she bought 12 bottles , so there's something there for most people .
She gave some away as well , but yeah , she bought 12 bottles of Sangarita Sangarita .
Wow , she sounds fun every time . We might have to have her on the show at some point .
She sounds fucking fun . She's so fucking amazing . She's really the best . I've got great friends . She's one of the best people .
God damn , I love it . I love it All right . Well , thank you everybody . Thanks , thanks for joining us . Please support your local libraries and the written word , support your actors and writers who are on strike and make the shows that you love and fill our hearts with joy and happiness and give us things to talk about , like we do on this podcast .
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Richmond .
Rich Till we Boobs .
Die Till we boob . We are Richmond till we boob . Oh poor .
Oh God , Ted .
All the Ted Lasso creators are rolling over in there Not graves , but something Good Lord We've desecrated the brand .
As far as I love it .
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