Wayne | S1 Ep1 "Get Some Then"

Oh god , this boy kill .

Okay , oh .

Well .

Shit welcome everybody to a very special episode of the deep dive podcast , where this is . This is a special episode where I have sprung the Pilot of the masterpiece Wayne on coach and boss and they are reacting in real time to what they've just seen With me is coach Bishop and is our boss ? Only chambers , but we're just gonna jump .

I mean you're not gonna answer the man's question . That's how you spend your time watching . I mean really right .

I want to hear from you guys that was , I'll say , that was so . It was so Different to watch you guys watch that . That was just to see your different face .

So would you know , like what would you notice ?

God , it was like Boss . Boss has a thing where she knows , like she kind of knows what's coming a little bit . She's like so , so , like when the dad stuff happened , she's like uh-huh , like she's , she's a big smaller fix . She's like I knew , I knew this is common , coach , you get , you get into this .

Oh yeah , no , that's I cover a face covering . Also , you might have noticed the um , hysterical laughter at any violence . It's , it's my , it is my reaction , gleeful hysterical laughter . It's not all violence and it gets too realistic , or if it's mean that somehow I can't get into it . But there's a lot of stuff where it's like full-on hand clapping .

That does make sense . That does make sense , all right , well , wow , it's a perfect lead in to to where we are today . That's it . Nothing , nothing , no , no , nothing , nothing . What you think it's messed up , that's it .

No , no , no , no . I mean I thought it was good . They're just fucking crazy . What at all ? They're just nuts . When not like you , just yeah , that's that was my real reaction . Like I was like , oh , I could see watching this . But , um , he was .

and Her moment of deciding to go was I have to get a bikini , like you reacted to that , physically , you , you , you popped your head back and we're like , oh okay , that , like that , this is in the realm of possibilities , like and that's the decision point I mean , yeah , like that's , that's what it was for me .

Like I was like y'all are fucking crazy for real . Like , even if you decide , yes , I'm gonna run away with a guy who just broke into my fucking house and opened my door and whatever , like for your next thought to be oh well , can't go to Florida without my bikini , like , okay , like y'all are crazy , like for real .

I actually Like how much that makes sense , though , as weird as that sounds like . Yes , it's fun , that's , but also if you're going to Florida , you do need a bikini .

No , no , that's what I'm saying , yeah .

It's like it's almost the opposite of Michael Scott and how I feel about those things , like he is fucking crazy but he knows what he's doing and Michael Scott has no idea what he's doing . I don't mind crazy . I am uncomfortable with the lack of awareness .

What if ?

you're . If you're a complete lunatic and you know it , I'm totally fine with that . That I could get on board with because you have a plan . I just need you to have a plan . I need you to not be like chaotic with your craziness . Keep it focused .

I think , calm , okay . So that's actually interesting because for me and I guess I've seen stuff in my own life , but like some for me , to me if You're faced with that level of chaos and your brain can get to , oh , I'm going to flour , I shouldn't forget my bikini . That's why I'm like , oh , you're really crazy like you're .

Yes , that's , that is what I'm hoping you're getting . Look at , look at his life and then look at her life and look at the first time she's presented with any option in her entire life . What does she say ? Right , yes , I'm out of here . Why do you think she was selling a stealing and selling girl scout cookies door to door ?

Because she was smart , she could eat .

Yeah , so she could get probably get out to do something , something outside the law , right outside whatever rules her father was making , right ? Mm-hmm , I'm a huge fan of Relationships in shows where you see the crazy lineup .

Yes , yeah , y'all bag just matches right up . Done this .

That's exactly right . That's exactly right , boss . Thank you , that's exactly right .

Motorcycle or is that a souped-up dirt bike , because it seems like they're maybe going to Florida on the border .

Yeah , yeah it certainly was not the most powerful vehicle I've ever . Yeah , no , it was . Yeah , also I . She must feel bizarrely safe . Yes , like yes , the the the Protective her universe , just got his nose bitten off by this guy , who doesn't even receive that like Mood by the fact he just bit a man's nose .

I was like oh my god , either . Either way , he'll do what it takes , right , he'll do what it takes and and as far as , up until that moment , there was one Absolute authority in her life , and then tell me , this isn't a modern tale of a white knight , a literal saving a yeah , you're right , a hundred percent .

So , yes , I like what they , what you're saying there . I think the other thing , to go back to the violence is so normal it's also that she must have become such an expert in what the violence would mean .

Yeah , you're not gonna bite my nose off , right , you're not gonna bite my nose off .

You bit his nose off because of your coat . I'm inside your coat , so it's fine .

Yeah , yeah , no , that was it . That was , I guess

in her life ? Yeah , they would you both reactive and she and she and that .

But that kiss she gave him was like , don't fucking come back over here trying to kiss me . Like , yeah , you said a sweet thing , I gave you a kiss . We're done with that . Now let's go kill a snake . One one , okay .

I definitely reacted to that .

I was like these motherfuckers are crazy right now Listen , I know this is .

this is really fascinating for me because , first of all , watching you guys in that scene so coach actually thinks they're crazy . I think they're normal and I think they're survivors and I think they're Like about 35% of the population in Massachusetts .

So , oh , when I say crazy , by the way , I use that as unclinically as possible . I do not mean mentally ill , which I know is not cool , and I supposed to say crazy anymore , but nobody's provided me with a word to replace it , which is always my rule , and so I'm so Crazy for me .

That's coming across . That's what I so you , in that little moment . You have him being vulnerable waiting at the door . You have Dell showing her sense of humor .

I believe in the novels of Susan Sondheim are overrated trap .

You know all that stuff right . So you have the crash Davis Beach Dell has for someone who I doubt has ever had a boyfriend . She has some real clear opinions on it and he is adorable in this moment . You know he is violent . You saw him knock out someone's teeth with a trumpet . A coach was stutely called out , the mobeta blues reference and oh , did you ?

did you catch that before I said ?

I did . You know that I first thought , yeah , yeah , the first time , oh yeah cuz .

I was like , oh my god , that's like shot for shot , yeah yeah and so .

So yeah , the Boss really liked the , the , the rules . And then it was very sweet how vulnerable Wayne was In that scene and they shot it intentionally that way . They framed him in the in the frame . Yeah , exactly , there's a two-shot , but a lot of focus on him and him having these moments where Somehow he doesn't look so ugly , like nothing .

You just not . Not now . You're just sucking up to boss now .

Now you just that is , that is correct .

I Suck it up to boss With what With ? The Irish , cute Irish boy oh yeah , yeah right , well , that's , he's a . He's a Irish actor . The only thing he was in before this was sing Street . Do you guys ever see sing Street ?

No , but I heard that it was good and I should see it .

Yeah , yeah , no , it's . I've seen Dell before and it's gonna bother me , so I've got to figure out what my problem is . Or am I like just not putting something very obvious together ? I have , but I've seen her before .

Her name is Sierra Bravo . Where would I've seen she is ? Let's see . Well , I'm trying to see where you may have seen it , like in a kid's show . I'm thinking , maybe you .

Maybe I mean like yeah , I just had you know , like you kind of just file people like to . You know , I'm still gonna build it in an entertainment empire in my head .

You know what that NCIS ?

she's got a few maybe , maybe I saw some NCIS episode or something like that . I got randomly watch my sister's because , but immediately I was like , oh she's good , this is gonna be good . That was like my immediate .

I love . I love that I love that reaction I had . Here's my reaction oh , this is the . Here is , this is a two-hand or this is a two-hander . And I thought it was just Wayne , because his name Wayne , but this is gonna be Buddy cop movie and like , oh god , I think he's so good . How could she possibly keep up with him ?

and then I know , you see what she does you go .

Oh , my god , I mean , I thought she did boss , did you ? Did you think that yeah ?

Oh , definitely yes . And I also oh , I was just gonna say she has the same thing going on with the . It's not normal behavior , but she knows what she's doing . Like yes , asking , do you want to go cut some snakes in half with a shovel as a first date is weird . But also , do those snakes need to be taken out ? Like , are they bad for the garden ?

I Get that ? Yeah , I get that . Yeah , I thought , oh , here's here . This I will say I reacted to on a Kind of from a directing level , but I thought it was great , a great way to communicate a lot about the characters and what was happening .

Yeah , I hadn't considered that , but I like that a lot , and also it like that's another thing . When he was like so , do you want to be my girlfriend ? I'm like , well , that's not , although maybe that's how relationships start , especially when you're younger , if you've never had , and also like when you were that age .

Yes or no notes exactly . Yeah , right , coach , I was saying oh , by the way , sierra Bravo was in small engine repair , which was only written , directed and Stardened by one of my best friends .

Yeah , all right , john , coach , your terrible friend is what you're saying , right ? Awful , yeah , that's . I thought . No , I could validate . I could validate that coach Wayne has something you don't have , which is he's not burdened by self-awareness in the same way that you are . Like I loved watching

Why ? That's what I was like . What ? That's a total dad yeah and she is Della's tough .

She's a tough cookie . I think her street smarts have been ever her instincts have been Really good . Like some guy wanted to look at her feet , you know , like she , she checked with them . He's like I don't see her feet , like she just was like got a read on him .

I actually I thought Wayne was gonna rip his throat . I read that . I read that scene wrong . I was like oh god , that was really a poor choice . He .

I thought he was gonna kill him you said that yeah , you , you made a noise , are you like ? Oh god , like , but , and he did . He did kill him on the spot . Well , right , but just right . Right , but not the way I thought . Yeah , yeah , but listen , that's it .

No , I I'm definitely listening to everything that you're saying . When you said that Character actor Patrick Gallagher looks like an asshole , it's true he's either the guy that plays the asshole or he's the guy that you think is going to be an asshole , and then he turns out to be incredibly smooth , that's true . Canadian . It actually .

Ted Lasso's mom's real-life character is married to Dylan Baker .

Correct . Yeah , I can't bake , I can't make is married is married to Dylan Baker , a parent there , obviously the the character actor couple of her time that I was just unaware of .

No , that's awesome . Yeah , no , no , there's all these . You have all these Articles and I've seen a documentary about this for once upon a time was JK Simmons was oh yeah . Yeah , yeah , right , exactly . Then he moved out of the but there , but , yeah , having an amazing character actor , you go , I mean listen .

These guys are scary to me , though , seriously , yes , like these guys , like these are guys where , like , if I'm somewhere and they start getting loud , I'm like yo , we gotta go we , we gotta leave .

Yes , honestly it's . It was that I didn't understand why I don't mind violence or destruction or anything else . I need it to Be purposeful and I need it to be fully understood before it is enacted . If you have a plan , for violence . I am fine with you .

I just know it's an interesting rule , I , I get it . I get it because it's still an order to it . Then it's not just like chaos , it's actually not chaos at all it is then . Then you're not throwing a tantrum like right sometime .

I Don't like the fact that sometimes violence is called for , but every once in a while violence is called for . If that is what is called for , then just execute it correctly is all I'm asking .

Yeah , no , I got you . I do want to point out one thing you guys would not see coming , which is I was very excited the minute we went into the principal's office because Michael Malley was there and I . He is one of my favorite actors and that is super random .

He's got a big role in this show . Coach , this is not that's not it for him . He's a key person .

Well , good Cause I'm like you know , well , you can tell , cause I can tell you where . So , yeah , there were a few moments where I was like okay , yeah , they were not fucking around when they put this together . Like this was not like , hey , who can you get ? What's the Q-Rating ? Like this was going forward .

Yes , exactly , it's like I know who I want . So that's the thing when you , when you're Sean Simmons who created the show , you got the sense he did what many of us do , which is I know , if I get my first shot , I know what I want to do , I know how I want it to feel . You know what they say , right , right , what you know .

Yeah , yeah . No , this was not based on some , some shows you watched about Boston , Like I was like yeah , and I grew up in Boston and so yeah , I love details and the fact that the school was called Hagler . I don't know if you caught that . I caught that .

I did Like the minute .

I saw Hagler I was like are they in Boston Exactly ?

right , exactly right . That's amazing .

So that that that actually again made me think like , all right , this is not . Anybody could have named it Washington High or Lincoln High , that you named it , or whatever you named it , hagler , I was like , okay , you weren't fucking around Like you , you this , I should pay attention . Yeah , thank you , that was the message to me .

I love that you caught that . I'm going to read you the opening from the script itself Gray , new England's exterior , brockton mass suburbs day Gray , new England's skies , hints of a recent snowstorm . Three decker homes with a second and third store , with second insert and third story porches that sag dangerously on one side or the other , it's so true .

Yeah , no , it's great and it's fine because when you were reading the beginning of that with the word carve , yeah . Like the bike carving this for those who haven't read or written , you know , for screen at all , it's important .

Yes .

Right Showed on tell Show , but really like show . So I always appreciate writers who are able to infuse the language and the image itself with what I'm supposed to be feeling . And he could have just said rides , he could have just said roles , he could have just said right , but carve . If I'm reading that , I'm like shit's about to go down .

I shared the link in the chat here for you guys for the script . I want to read another part here . Hernandez steps down from his porch leading his dog on a leash . Wayne stops on his porch and turns around , annoyed Hernandez , your father won't answer the door , I need the rent . And that son of a bitch has been ducking me .

Right , no , yeah , also , I thought it's all relative right . Like you say , he's not . You know what I mean . There are people who think of themselves as broke , who have more than that guy has , but in his universe he's the landlord , so he acts like that .

Have either of you ever been a landlord ?

Oh God , no , I have not , but I can tell you , first of all , I'm a black man . I have to have to guess .

I shouldn't say , oh God , no , like that , because there are plenty of property management firms that I know that actually do good work , including one of my buddies who works for one that helps house seniors who otherwise might run the risk of being unhoused .

Yeah , no , no , I understand that perspective . Yeah , no , I used to . When I came out of college , I used to buy crappy old houses and gut them myself and then redo everything inside , because I grew up in a family where we had to know how to do that . We didn't have a lot of money and so we fixed our own cars .

I don't know where they got sulfuric acid .

They went through the pipe , they went through the whole all the pipes and then it started eating through , so water was coming out of the pipes and blasting into the downstairs bathroom . You know what I mean ? Because it's not a stack . It's basically you stack the bathroom , but now I'm dealing with all this stuff and you go why ?

Because that's , like things , brand new . I had a little problem that you just turned into A huge problem and you're like oh , and then .

So landlords are like oh , these people are animals . You know like these people are ?

absolutely .

So then you get that mentality and it's like that's how you turn into Hernandez or whatever , because you're like I don't give a fuck Give me my money , because you're in it for the money . Right , you're not in it for you know , like this is charity , you're there to make money and so the whole thing is sort of gross from that perspective .

I don't actually know if there was a specific one , I feel like , as much as I think that the show did a lot of things in an interesting and offbeat way . The idea of here is a guy character we're going to introduce him and you're going to figure out a little bit about him , and then , a few scenes after that , we're introducing this girl character .

Well , that , yeah , maybe I was like . I read it as like she was like holy shit , like out of the blue , somebody opened the door screaming and she's probably so well versed in violence that she knows to jump back and drops her bag . Let me give you the lines he says he didn't realize it was her , he thought it was a landlord . He goes what , what ?

That was funny .

Although it's slightly different from . I don't care if he is sick . He still needs to give me my money . Yes , there is a little bit of like OK , well , do people with cancer get it ? Like one , she's legitimately asking . And two , do you want your dad , who has cancer , to have some cookies ? Is that a treat for him ?

Remember I said , yeah , she has a break stride . But I'm with you , it definitely plays differently . It felt very different .

Remember , coach , I said you liked this analysis . I said people in New England are the hardest people on the planet . I think they captured that hardness here . So can people with cancer still have cookies ? He ain't been eating much lately . Well , do you like cookies ? Or are you as weird as you look , jesus ?

I laughed at that one too . You got this peanut butter kind .

This is great writing yeah peanut butter kind coconut kind , which tastes like dog shit . In my opinion , some people like them . There's a boss laughing at that .

That doesn't make any sense to me . The coconut ones are the best . I don't understand that at all .

He says you want to come in my house . You ain't going to do anything weird , right ? Weird like what ? Like some guy in Torrey asked me if he could see my feet . I don't want to see your feet . Then we show them go upstairs . He goes upstairs . He does the thing where he dances , puts on hardcore punk music . She says yeah , he's like music .

are you ?

doing ? What are you doing ? No , I was not . First of all , he turned it on glaring .

First of all like Jesus Christ , but then to just jump around as if he's in a mosh pit and then to as abruptly stop , press , stop and look at her like so what should we do now ?

He says he goes , you have a boyfriend . He stops the music and says and Coach , you threw your body back . What is happening ? What ? Why would you ? Are you crazy ? And then she goes not really . And then he says you want me to be your boyfriend ? And then , coach , you're like I don't .

Yeah , I like this , yeah , I like that . I guess you know it's what I'm thinking through , because I was in with them , like I was very like , ok , tell me , I'd like to see how these two fall in love or whatever is going to come next with these two .

I was like all right , OK , you liked it . I'm curious when that started . So I think I sense that .

On her porch .

OK , right , right , right . But you Coach you and Boss both . When she put herself back to back and they were back to back with each other , you both softened up a little , both of you .

Yeah , yeah , it was cute All right , Because it was kind of little kiddish Like that's what you ? Oh , I'm taller .

No .

I'm taller . It was very so . It reminded you that , as crazy as this all is , and he hit a guy , you know what I mean . Like he's still a kid , like they're kids actually .

Yes , and also that , even though they have an understanding and a method of dealing with violence , they're not grown up in every way Like maybe he knows how to handle this shit at school and punching the kid out because he has a man's code , by the way , like I know that he's a teenager .

He is a child .

That is a man's code Interesting . And even though he has that and can inflict all this violence . He's a 15 year old who's like do you want to see me dance ? I'm going to put on my song now and then he dances .

You're right . Do you want to see me ? It's exactly right , though . That's right , that's right .

OK , where what I'm like , the only he would have had to have gone to a club where there's a mosh pit or something , because he's thrashing , that's what thrashed , that's what he's doing , so that's like that's the only thing he knows . Like he , I think his assumption is we , this is what music is what you do when you play me , boss .

I think that a kids code is usually a little I hate to say that it's a less knowledgeable understanding of fairness , because kids actually have a pretty innate sense of fairness .

I think that last part is at least part of the man piece . There's one thing to say like the world should be fair , and I say this having had too many moments of my own life where I felt I needed to be pulling some of that rain slack up . But it's like this is not fair and somebody should do something about it .

And like I know that it was his buddy , but he had no idea what was going on . Like what he knew was his buddy would not start shit like that , which means there was some shit being started on his body .

And exactly , it's just not going to happen .

Also , the girl with the neck brace was on her knees behind Like she had been knocked over , and I'm like those optics are not like yeah it's not great .

Yeah , no , that was not great . I thought you would like that enforcer element . Oh , no , I we talk about this all the time .

The cavalry is never coming In . Ted Lasso , we talk all the time about how you have to be the cavalry for yourself . You have to make the change has to come from you . In this , I think Wayne exemplifies that he is . He doesn't have a choice . What's he ? What's he supposed to do ? That ?

I was like , ok , like he wasn't even doing it , like right , he was like , are you done ?

basically , yes , which which is something that really jumped out at me when I first watched it , and I was like he knows he's going to heal from this , like he knows what he's able to take and he can take this Like he's like I can take I know what . Like on the scale of what I've taken , this is like a joke . Like this is no problem , mm hmm .

Yeah , I sorry , I was just going to say with that scene , yes , I was like what the hell is he doing ? Why is he doing it ? Obviously he could take this , these punches , but why taking these punches ?

Right , Well it's also like fuck off , like I don't , we're not bothering anybody Like well , no , they're not bothering anybody . But yeah , like just seriously fuck off , like get . I don't want this interaction . Fuck off .

And yes , no , I don't want to deal with whatever it is that you're about to do .

Whatever this is here .

Actually , in their defense , they didn't want to deal with whatever he was about to do , because it was fucking insane .

Can you like a cigarette off his face ? Yeah , no , no , I was like God that's the first thing you react to .

This whole show , coach . Was the guy Wayne getting a cigarette flicked on his face like because I think that must have triggered something for you like , oh shit , now you have escalated this . Or something like .

Yeah , I thought like once that happened , I was like , okay , so it's gonna be violent , like like we have passed , we passed the part where we can walk away from each other , and we're all of like seven seconds into the show , yeah no , I like .

Have you seen the original TV show ?

Yeah , yeah yeah , yeah , yeah . Yeah , I didn't like again . It was like I watched many episodes , but I wouldn't say like I don't know it . Right right , yeah , but but yeah , I've seen it , but I definitely now last , because my phrase for this is I'm just not built for this world . Like , I'm just not like everyone else in terms of my like .

I think you're right . I think you're right . And especially when they , when they do it in a way where they stand to get there's personal gain in it for themselves , so they're willing to make your life harder for their personal gain , then you get the righteous indignation .

Oh , are you fucking kidding ?

They wouldn't even it wouldn't be able to even comprehend . So I think boss has been , has been anchoring for , for , for a slice of life stuff . But I really think and even even more so now seeing you watch it , like if this is a show about violence , I'm not going to be into it . I'll tell you right now .

right , yeah , got it , and I'm like what is this in like ?

is this , this must be a cultural thing ? He's like okay , like coach was like what the fuck ? That's how you sum up your brothers .

Well , when they're assholes . If they're not assholes , then you say other things about them , but if they're assholes you're like oh yeah , no , they're assholes . I mean I should also mention I have an older step brother . We were never close because we were like 12 and 14 , when our parents got married .

No idea , wow , yeah , oh yeah . That's crazy .

Like sometimes that shit happens I can't get into all of the crazy chambersness but also so my grandmother's second husband , who was basically my grandfather growing up , because my dad's dad died before his born . The only grandfather I knew was married and had kids before he got together with my grandmother . No idea who those people are .

And does it bother you at all , or you're just like no ?

no , I I got cousins that I do know and I refuse to speak with them because I know them so like it's fine if they're family members out there who are just floating around in the ether that I never meet . Who knows if they'd be good enough .

This is . This is all fascinating .

Well , I mean legitimately . My dad was one of 11 kids and I have 31st cousins and back in the day before you know a few of those children , the , the aunts and uncles . I , I got a dead dad and three dead uncles . Like grandmother buried four children before she finally kicked it .

Oh my God , that's terrible .

Well , it was her doing Like I mean her and her two husbands .

Oh , was just the grandma that you okay , okay .

Yeah , yeah , no , this was all related to , like , mental health and substance abuse and a shitty childhood that she inflicted on 11 kids . Like this is grandma sealed it this oh , you should see your face . You're so upset , you're so upset .

Oh God , it's so . It's so hard for me to yes .

I love so much that I'm like oh yeah , no , my grandmother's upbringing of my father and his siblings killed four of them and I'm totally fine with it .

And you're like oh , that's not a thing . You should say yeah , yeah , no , it's painful , I know .

Well , yeah , no , I mean , it was way worse for them . Obviously , like I don't have much to do with , it . Anyway . So yeah , no , back in the day before the brothers passed and before there was some splits among the kids based on politics and other things , like all 11 of them with their spouses and children would be at the same house .

At this point , Well , in my experience , that's what happens when the death of a matriarch or patriarch that happened .

Oh , no , no , no , this was well before my grandmother died .

It was well okay , oh , okay , so it was well before . But when I see families fracture , it's the older generation that has forced everyone to hold on together and everyone's too worried about making grandpa a mat or great-grandma or whatever . And then , as soon as they pass away , they just conveniently decide not to do that , not to hang all the time .

Did I talk on here about how my dad didn't have a middle name ? Just first and last , no middle name .

No , no , I don't think so .

So my grandmother , her mother was religious and she was around for the birth of the first half of the kids . So up through , I think right before my dad was born , all the kids , the middle names , baptism , communion , all that shit . And then as soon as her mom died , she was like I am fucking done , the kids are getting one name , we're not baptized .

But you didn't . You were like oh , that didn't bother you .

I was like that's fine . Yes , I didn't tell her . But after she voted for Trump definitely when she voted for Trump , and she was like turning into a hardcore Trump , or I'm like we can't be friends , grandma . We were barely friends before , we definitely can't be friends now .

Oh wow , what an interesting choice . Well , she's an interesting lady . Why do you think she did ? That Do you think she knew that it would be a oh you know what ?

actually , well , she was always wildly unsentimental , I think actually she had her body donated to science , maybe . Obviously I'm concerned . What a wonderful woman , but that was at least . If you're going to go out , it was nice that she did that . Wow , wow , just amazing .

Let me ask you . There was this moment I was watching you and coach , where she says they're in the room . Wayne says you want to be my girlfriend or whatever . She says you're going to buy some cookies ? Yeah , and you laughed and coach nodded and he says I want it , but I don't need money . She says well , get something .

Oh , yeah , yeah , no , yeah , I felt that piece . I guess I always like and , frankly , after 25 years of marriage I fully paid the price . I always liked that sassy , like I'm not taking any of your shit , you don't , you don't scare me or you don't impress me or whatever . That energy , like that kind of energy .

So I would like to mention that right before recording , coach shared with us a list that he's putting together , trying to figure out the through line of his celebrity crushes from childhood or teenage years onward .

Yeah , oh , yeah , yeah .

So it's basically yes , anybody who , even when they like you , will be mean to you in a way that you will still like . See , so I am not the only one who wants a date to be mean to me . I've been nice to you , I don't know if it's the same thing . I think he likes principle .

I think he likes principle I don't think that this is the key .

I don't think that's the draw , because he's a no , no , no , not meanness , but given your shit , though , like I think , yes , there's principles of like , there's a level on which Daphne will like straighten me out , like well , like , mock me for something . No , you know , that was one of the first times I knew like , oh boy , this girl's special is .

Yes , nobody talked to me like that .

Maybe it's not mean so much as just she will not suffer a fool .

Yes , that's it , not suffering fools . That's a great phrase for it . It's funny because she uses that phrase . But yes , that's true .

Yeah , that's exactly why I'm not very close with her . What does she say about me ? Say it again coach .

That's sore . He's a baby making fool . There you go . I laugh out loud Every time .

Every time that's a baby making fool . I want to point out the character over Orlando . Orlando is described . I think it's so great and coach he chuckled when he saw that it was a character named Orlando . Orlando , 15 African-American , shorter than he wants to be .

Rushes to meet Wayne . That's how the this , that's a great , that's a good that gives you a lot .

Right .

It gives you a lot . Yeah , and it's very rare that I bump into a character named Orlando , so it's always kind of like oh .

I thought you yes , I thought you'd like that Description of the school . This school has metal detectors . They beep as Wayne enters on a mission . No one seems to care . It's that kind of school .

I noticed that I was like well , why have it then if it flashes red ? And he just keeps flashes red , what ?

are we doing ? And did you have a sense of like ? I was like what does he have on him that ?

did you have a ultimately , it ends up being a hammer .

Yeah but no .

I was . No , I wasn't sure what it was going to be . I didn't think it would be a gun or anything like that . No , no , no , no , no Right .

I was thinking like a Swiss army knife or maybe something like a switchblade , but he would use it less for stabbing and more for , like , cutting something .

Yes , some fabric someplace . I love , right , it would be like a work knife . I love that it was a hammer . And there's this beat .

Yeah , that was what made me laugh . Yes , orlando's reaction like that's not normal , beat Like he's like the way he said it was like .

Oh , my God .

You just walk around with a fucking hammer in your pocket , like he pulled it out all casually , like it was no big deal , and it's like bro , why do you have a fucking hammer ?

in your body Exactly . Oh , my God .

Yeah , that was very funny of me .

The way that you just delivered that line reminded me so much . A buddy of mine in college when I worked at the Alina Union catering the catering company through the school and it like why they would put a bunch of teenagers not teenagers , but like 20 year olds essentially right . We're like I almost said knuckleheads .

I don't know what the fuck you're doing , but obviously you're impaired .

That's great .

That's great . You've been drinking already .

Oh , you've been drinking already , all right .

That's great . I just came up with this phrase . By the way , Let me know what you think of this . I think that that age range you're talking about is adult adjacent .

It's like you can actually do all the adult things , but you're not thinking like an adult .

You're not functioning like an adult , so it's a very . You can get yourself into some good old trouble . You can have some good old fun too , let's not , you know .

You have a credit card , but you have no idea what compound interest is .

Oh , and all I once paid I believe it was $1.78 million for a trench coat , a leather coat I bought when I was in college . It's like you fucking idiot Like I ruined like 10 years of my life over this stupid goddamn coat .

A trench coat A trench coat why ? A leather trench .

Yeah .

Like who are you ? What do you think ? What is this ? You still have that , yeah , no , unfortunately .

Well , that's , that's what definitely made me throw it away . I'm sure she was right . That's really the problem .

That's gotta stop . Yeah , right , but no , I paid for that thing so many times over . Oh my God Anyway .

Yeah .

Yes , compound interest is real kids .

One of the podcasts that I listened to , one of the three brothers who are the hosts said that he likes that . He ruined his credit for all of his 20s because he wanted to sign up for a credit card in order to get a free Cincinnati Reds hat . He fucked his entire life .

Wow , wow , that's so great . That's like the marshmallow test , like on steroids . Yes .

We got it .

No , but , sir , you're being evicted , but don't forget my hat .

I was at a Reds game and I needed to wear a Reds hat . What do you expect from me ?

That's a funny , that's a funny , that is really funny .

It's funnier because it's the Reds too .

Like it's not the .

Yankees for crazy .

No , I mean not the Reds Okay .

Okay , I mean Cincinnati is a medium place and the Reds are a medium baseball team , so like come on , Cincinnati is a medium place . I get to say that because my mom grew up there . Oh my God , I'm allowed .

Okay , In the scene with Michael Malley you guys reacted to adult hate .

That was cool . I'm still like oh my God , I'm telling Look , you know I love my players , you know I love my players , but there are moments where you're like we can fucking go outside .

Like . You know what I mean . Like .

So when he said that , I was like oh , I hear you , brother . Oh , there are moments where you're like , oh , you got to be fucking kidding me . It was so funny when he said adult I've never heard that phrase before . I don't know if that's a phrase that I just I hadn't heard .

No , I've never heard it before . I know it's made up it was so funny . I know I'm not supposed to , but I hate those kids like real adult hate . And then he when was I ? Okay , here's the thing this show is Again . We talk about shows that we love or whatever . I always come back to the fact this show is brave .

Yeah , at home . Yeah , I that that was very funny , Is that right ?

Boss , you didn't , did you not hear ? Did you not like that , joe ?

I did hear it , just I don't know , it didn't tickle me .

The same way I thought you were gonna calculate . It's not gonna happen . Yeah , it's at home .

Therefore , I can't read you know Right , like you essentially don't have another word of what you're saying .

Right , we all right . I have another one at the supermarket once . I buy it . Right , right , right .

I think maybe for me and this is not I'm not gonna jump in criticizing the show but it felt like a double down on the could I offer you a banana , like he'd already taken it you are . He already made the point of like hey , you're eating my banana . So I think maybe the follow up didn't hit it as hard I get it , I get it .

I just don't think you have a very good funny bone . Yeah , that makes sense .

So you know who does have a funny bone in her your mom every night for a dollar .

There you go Every night for a dollar . Thank you , tina Fey callback . I love it . I love it . I love it . Yes , boss , yes , okay , now we okay . We talked about how much we like Michael Malley . We find out , then we get to . Well , then we get to the trumpet scene . We talked about that . We're on the walk with Orlando . We figure out .

So this is when I started wondering when is the show taking place ? Because it seems like a 15 year old boy in 2023 would know all about pornography on the phone in his pocket , but we didn't see any cell phones . I didn't . I don't know if we saw any specific time technology .

Whoa , whoa , whoa . Hold on wait . I don't Luke . You may have to cut this part out , but there's pornography on the internet .

Hold up .

There's almost nothing else .

Right , right exactly .

It's extraordinary .

Look at that orangutan having sex with a duck .

Yeah yeah , no , it's aren't animals wonderful .

Sorry , sorry boss .

No , no , no , that's so . I only I wasn't sure . Like saying 1982 , there's so much hair would imply that it was sometime after the late 90s , when I don't know , fashion magazines started convincing women that they need to rip all their pubic hair out , like that is the contrast .

Yeah , it was amazing . I laughed . So I was like , yeah , it was amazing , it was really really good . Oh my gosh . Oh yeah , you're the Worst Coach . Is another white people show that's really funny .

I know , well , I do know because you love it . Boss , it's now in the queue for me . Like I'm like I gotta check , at least check some of this show out to like , yeah , Good .

And You're the Worst absolutely amazing , although I would like to point out , there are main cast members that are men of color . Specifically , we're talking about Sam Shitstain and Honey Nuts , of course , the recording artist that Gretchen manages . That is how they refer to each other and themselves . One of them is Shitstain .

Wow , oh God , I love that show . Yeah , oddly , that is the shortlist for boys' names .

That makes sense . Yeah , Shitstain .

Honey Nuts . What the fuck . I'm really in the bag for Honey Nuts , honey .

Nuts ? What in the world ? Oh my God , that's funny .

All right , we talked about cutting snakes in half . We talked about the super cute scene with the two of them outside her house . I actually like the beat where you get a Chiron , you get like a title card . That's the shithole on Norton . To like establishes , you know .

Yeah , I enjoy that too .

And it is a total shithole . If you look when they're sitting there on the front porch , on the banged up sort of bench right there , there's a window that is taped up with cardboard , so it's duct tape and cardboard covering the window , and there's beer can , empty beer cans , crushed right on the sill of that window . I'm like man that is .

No , and that was the first moment where I was like , oh God . Like I was like , oh , this is not like this . One thing , protective dad , the other is like just an insane person . Like you're just an , like you're not an overprotective dad , you're crazy . It wasn't even like what are you doing ? Like why were your hands all over my daughter ?

That's when that's right , exactly , exactly right . And so you're like , okay , this is I always like for me when I'm in the situations where you know less .

Yeah , yeah . No , this is not a big deal to him at all . Like he's gonna go inside and he will have half forgotten this before the first commercial is over .

Yeah , it's concerning . I think it low key , ramps up the tension in a way , because it's like okay if he didn't do that , if he was like you know , okay , because it's a false front . You know it's not protectionism , you know , this is not a protective dad . He's actually actively pushing his daughter to the ground .

Yes , yeah , which is why I am not stating that there is any sort of sexual abuse happening . So I feel like that would be way too much , even for this show .

It's so weird and creepy . Well , because that's how he thinks about women , so he cannot think about a woman .

That's right .

That even when that woman is his daughter , he cannot differentiate between women or for sexual purposes . That's it .

Remember those guys I had to talk to in the bar where they're like , oh , talking about women started like , oh , he's unfuckable . I'm like , oh my , what ? Yeah ? Like , that's not what they're athletes , what the fuck ? You know what I mean ? I cannot seriously .

I also thought , though , in terms of the protectionism in that , the taking of that little bit of money , like I don't know how much money she had in her pocket exactly , but I do know she was handed some ones , and it did seem like her net worth had like grown measurably .

Yeah .

So like that , somehow you've created a situation where your child feels it's necessary to basically scam their way into , steal their way into literally a few bucks , and your reaction to that , in an almost pimpish way , is to take the money .

Yes , that is such a good way of describing it . Yes , oh my God , that is perfect . Yeah , that is very yes .

I love that . You said that . That's right pimpish .

Yeah , I'm really happy with that . I mean , I was like what the fuck just happened .

Like , did he just take the money ? Yeah , it was fucked up . It was really fucked up Like that really , and it made it so that there really was no fate that could befall him that I was gonna feel bad about . Like I thought it was funny that Del the dad has flame in hand and is coming that way and she doesn't say , daddy , don't hurt him .

Yeah , the very end . Yeah , yeah , yeah , not in this scene , but yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , right right , you know what I'm saying .

Like so anyway , but I thought that but I like Wayne could have done just about anything to him in a fight and I would have been like all right , cool .

I actually really wanna get there , but I'm gonna hold up on that because I wanna point out Dean Winters is wearing those tan work boots . It's like Sean Simmons . Oh my God , like it's so perfect . Everybody here like if you're , you got guys that work on . I worked construction growing up and I remember having to get a pair of those fucking work .

And this is my brother Darrell . This is more of the brother Darrell . That's what I felt watching that whole thing .

They are so stupid it is mind boggling how dumb they are . Stay down there . I asked you a question and Carl says pervert . And then Teddy says piece of crap , pervert , like they have no brain cells , nothing . But what's amazing about this ?

Yeah , I think 15 helps when she gets on that bike and probably I mean it's still not awesome . But 14 on that bike is like you might get arrested , bro .

like regardless , right right , 15 , you still might , but it feels different . Wayne is very . When he's asked the question , he straight up looks at the dad he says is pervert , don't listen , do you pervert ? What are you doing alone With my 15 year old daughter ? And he says buying some cookies . And and does this , wayne , don't right .

Did you see me reacting ? To that Cause I don't even know what I did . What did ?

I do , no , you did .

Cause I ? I was like whoa .

Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . It's a shot across the bow , Boss . Her whole body reacted . Bosses , physically was like , oh , oh , like , like . So you are detritus , you are human refuse .

Well , I think also for me it was the . So he sees his daughter as not a sex object for himself , but that all other men will see only as a sex object . She is not entitled to have her own money because she is a thief , even though he wouldn't give her money anyway , and also she is useless , just like her mother was Like .

I want to read from the script . Del Sauerle puts the water of cash in his hand , daddy pushes her backwards roughly and she steadies herself embarrassed in front of Wayne which is right as daddy counts the money , raising the goddamn thief useless , just like your mom . Wayne is pissed , starts to reach for the shovel . That's not what happens in the show .

Yeah , they play it different .

Del notices , shakes her head telling him no , daddy , grabs her by the shoulder roughly and starts pulling her away . She grimaces in pain Ouch , cut it , daddy . Guess I have this is what daddy's line is . Guess I have to teach this one . Another lesson Starts to drag Del to that . No , they didn't say that in the show .

By the hair , which was like whoa .

Holy fuck .

I don't care what your child has done . There's no scenario in which I can justify grabbing my child by their hair , unless I am literally trying to save their life . I don't think you can . I don't have it .

I'm so against it . I know we did and that we've talked about it Like it's like a joke in our hand . I'm like all right , who's gonna get spanked ? Like they know it's a joke . I've never , ever grabbed them , Forget about by their hair .

So yeah , and also that would be more of a swoop up for you . You wouldn't like pull them ?

Yeah , well , I have kids , like anyway , it doesn't matter . Obviously this guy it wasn't wasn't doing a lot of the Dean Winters character .

Family planning . Yeah , no , he wasn't .

There's a lot of not a lot of thought in anything . Boys , give this pervert every reason not to come near my daughter again . Now we cut to and they kick him and knock him out . Coach had a big reaction to that . Boss , go ahead .

I just need to point out that there are outfits them being twins , they're outfits , coordinate but don't match , as if they went to the effort of differentiating from the other but in a way that still connects them , Like they're tweedledy and tweedledop in the way that their outfits sort of mismatch each other . Oh , I need to look at the other .

I'm really like , really it is my week week . I have a week spot like your Andy Dwyer's and your Jason Mendoza , like if you can make me like the absolute and these guys , throughout the course of the series they do such a good like I love them .

And we've talked about this before Playing stupid is not easy .

It's not like I understand it is really hard .

It is so when people pull it off , it is , it's impressive .

Early , jamie Tartt , you just go whatever . Now I want to talk about representation on this show , and this is something that I thought was such a stroke of again . The show does things other shows don't do . It completely normalizes race relations . Like there is no on this show , like what they don't do is call it out . Like Orlando is just his friend .

Oh , my God .

Like , so you love the dynamic between them . Not even you know what I mean . Like it's , so starts out whatever .

Yeah For me , when it said it's a whole thing . Obviously You've been a place a number of times at the point that you say it that , because it's almost like , oh , here we go with the goddamn bedpan bullshit again , right , like that's what I'm telling , but what I also love a quick story .

So that was the power . Yeah , it's amazing People that can do that and capture it so perfectly . That's really amazing . Yeah , we see them there . They just move out . She says , all right , let me get my bag . And then she sees his face . We cut to a little time cut . I'm having a hard time telling him between the old cuts and bruises and the new ones .

Yes , ma'am , yes , ma'am , Sorry , does he say yes ?

ma'am , yes , ma'am , and he says sorry , the yes but there was something .

God first of all , having just watched this once but I would want to watch this again because the writing is subtle as fuck .

Yeah , I really liked the way that they did that , that he said , yes , ma'am , that he was going to . He respected her enough to own up to doing something that could be disrespectful in a different way .

Yep , that was yeah , that was the yeah Right . You know what it was like 10 lines .

Yes , exactly , exactly . It's not even necessarily like a full-on sexual thing , it's more like that . There's a whole body that I might be able to touch someday .

Yeah .

Wild . That's exciting . Listen , as an adolescent , that is like you are like Magellan when you start to notice stuff like wait , there is a whole and not just one person . I see them everywhere . The world is covered with people .

Yeah , I have a piece I did . I'll send it to you guys . It's not my best piece , but it was very pretty . But I talk about that . I talk about that in life , where you're just like I don't know if all of you know this , but these breast things are everywhere . Yeah .

And yeah , yes , bring it in , bring it in , bring it in a little closer .

Exactly , he's back in here .

Because I have something you will not believe . I'm going to tell you what a natural truth of this world . Yeah Listen , every time it's in the same way . Ben Franken said I know God loves us because he created beer or something along those .

I'm not watching the quote yeah , yeah , yeah , but there's also like really , boobs .

Oh OK , that was part of how it all worked out . I want to make sure we're not lost in this that you're looking at my breasts . Yes , ma'am , sorry , it's so funny and so well done .

Yeah , yeah , yeah , doesn't say it to you , he shows no one as much respect as he shows her in the entire episode . Really , maybe to Dell , but yeah , but different , but yeah , but not different .

Right , right , right but respect , but yeah , I think that's so huge . But it's the way we figure out . Wayne can't lie . That's how they show you through boobs and I'm like , oh my god , it's so clever , it's hiding the message . You know what I mean .

Yeah , that's right . It's just not crabby exposition . It's amazing Because you just made me go oh .

So yeah , you're right , that's young man , you got to learn to lie once in a while . Right , I had a visitor today , one ex-boyfriend of mine . Now we get the . But why for boss , saying some kid about your age came to house him through two rocks , his window , and Wayne says no , oh , we just thought he couldn't lie . But he couldn't lie , so it wasn't you .

In the American president right Proportionate response I have to tear out of his face Exactly Sort this out , yeah .

Are you really mad about what that ? I broke the windows . She turns to him dramatically hamming it up . It says in the script oh , I'm very , very mad . You see what I did there ? Learn to do it . And he looks like a child . When the shots of him , when she tells him to lie , he looks like I don't , as if she's speaking Chinese to him .

I had a slightly different take in that I know that I've mentioned on this show before that I enjoy lying when it hands up a story and makes it better and if I need to , I will employ usually white lies just to get out of stuff that I don't feel like doing .

Ah , interesting .

Like he's not gonna say it wasn't me , because , fucking , he rolled up to the house and threw the ice through the windows knowing that he was gonna get his ass kicked , and he still did it because he knew that that was the right thing to do . There's no point in lying to that , because he's just gonna do it regardless .

That's interesting . Yeah , well , it adds one of the things that struck me a couple of times , and I actually thank you , boss , because you brought this back for me . He's a cowboy to me . Ah yes , I would have to rewatch Shane .

Yeah , he deserved it , did he not deserve it ?

Why do I ?

have to clean this up , like we're the fucking adults . Who's in charge here ? Why is their kid getting knocked down in the hallway ? All right , if I have to clean up this town , I will Like . That's kind of the vibe I get from him . I talk about this all .

I love that . You said cowboy . That is a completely different take that I think you're 100% right on . Now I'm gonna watch it again with that vibe . You know a really really smart point , a really coach . I love it . And I talk about the show Mr In Between , an Australian show that I love , and he's like the whole premise of it is .

I know , you do .

I know you do , I know you do . I haven't shown you that one yet , but you're gonna see that . Okay , I wanna zip through the rest , but super fast . We get this scene with the dad . They're eating pie . He's not even . Dad won't eat pie , he doesn't have a thing , doesn't have like an appetite anymore . You get it's oh man , it's so hard to watch .

This one's , I'm gonna toss this in . Yeah , I even act this way when it's not the show that I act this way about . But anyway , there was something for me and it was , I guess , personal .

Yeah , that was . Oh , by the way , I wanna , before I forget , I wanna call out the actor who played the nurse is Nadine Whiteman . I thought she was again , no small roles , only small actors . And she I thought she just like was note perfect before the . You know the rest . That scene starts with the pie Go ahead coach , by the way .

I thought she was and I appreciated it so much because she very easily could have been like , basically like a sassy mammy , magical Negro kind of character , and she wasn't . I prefer those , frankly , but she was totally helpful . I like those , those masks . What are these days ? I'm just gonna leave . I was gonna leave after one of those .

Look what you did , you racist . We're gonna hear coach . Literally that's it . And then we never hear from coach . Okay , welcome to the deep dive podcast with coach and boss . That's it .

And nobody else . Oh man , fuck this .

Wait , wait , wait , coach . Hello , I was kidding .

Right , no , but it's yeah , I thought she was . I mean , actually , I mean we've gone through now and I think , named just about every single actor in the entire show and said they were great . Oh , that was great . It was really really well acted , thank you .

That's what I'm trying to say , coach .

It's really well done yes . I believed every single .

I believe those three guys outside .

I believed who we find out as the boyfriend . I believe those brothers , those fucking idiots . I believed everything .

I was like , oh god , you know the idiot . You know what I'm talking about . The idiot , you're a fucking idiot . Yeah , yes , and I think it's amazing . There's a moment here . I love that you said that . Thank you , coach , I'm so happy that you feel that way . It's like a . This is like shows near and dear to my heart .

Yeah , I also . I mean , you know , we've heard the statistic we all have . You know , the Super Bowl Sunday is like the number one day for domestic violence and in no way .

Is this the part where I ?

start defending domestic violence .

Yes , but I will say I was waiting for a joke there . We were like and I think it should be Christmas , but I mean , okay , whatever . Like I think the domestic violence enthusiasts really needed to rethink when they're Come on man . No , this is not funny what are you doing ?

This is not funny Terrible . I'm very sorry , but there's something about what you just described . It is terrible , it is unacceptable , it is inexcusable , it is whatever . It makes my stomach hurt , of course , and so not even . But and how many people are living that way ? Like how many people like ?

That little , that handsome little little , little little Sugar Ray . Exactly , tommy Hearns is gonna knock that pretty smile in the next week Right off his face , yeah .

And you know and so yeah , but anyway , I think about that sometimes , when we , you know , look down on folks so much about like , oh you know , why are you caring about this or why would you do that ?

Boss , you know , boss , this is probably too serious and too honest , but like does it bother you on like a totally like a fundamentally structural level as a human being , as a woman ? That coach always throws his Ivy League diploma in our faces . Like does it ?

Oh no , Is he always ?

bragging on this show . Oh , my God Like every other word is Yale , this Yale that Like casual references to New Haven , Cause he knows he knows I hate that .

He knows I hate , like anybody feeling that way , so that I'm gonna bust my pants . No , no , no , no no .

See unfortunately for you guys .

I'm so sorry .

And unfortunately for you guys I've mentioned , my first time through college was at U of I . I dropped out and did not do well . I started back up doing community classes because I had dropped my GPA so hard that nobody would let me into their school except community college . Totally fine .

And so when my mom that's prestigious yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah .

So when my mom mentioned something about M's back in school she's going to North Eastern he was like , oh , m's going to Northwestern , then All right , great job , and so I don't even need an actual Ivy Lake degree . I'm just gonna pretend that I graduated from Northwestern . It's totally fine , that's fantastic .

Yeah , that makes sense , boss . I like it , that's great .

I have a joke in Unstuck as Fuck where I say I went to Yale and I said no , I did not say jail . No matter how clearly I say Yale , there's always somebody .

Oh , that's funny . I went to Yale man . I was like , is he a ?

Yeah , no , I went to Yale .

Yeah , is he a jail ? No , not in jail . That's really funny , fuck . Wait , I remember that . When was that joke ? I remember listening to that .

You know , was it Unstuck as Fuck . You probably saw me do it on stage at some point when I was developing all that stuff Love it .

Okay , we get the little first salvo . Firecrackers Wayne's gonna go stop the kids , whatever he doesn't , but he grabs a photo . Here's in the script . It says a shot of a woman and a man standing in front of a shit-hot 78 trans-am .

Oh , no , he said it .

Yeah .

No , he said it's not in the script . In the script it just says I didn't want you to see it and then he says give it .

But in the show he says I didn't want to see it , or maybe I did . I don't know , maybe I did .

Well , that was another moment when I went oh , this father is not long through this world because I was like this is getting set up . And the minute I saw that car I was like let me tell you , something's gonna happen in this lifetime . This kid go get this motherfucking car . And I was like , oh boy , oh boy .

Really , that's when you knew Immediately .

Immediately when he saw that picture of that car , his father put it on and he looked down and we found out and then went to the father told the story . I was like , oh God , he is going looking for that fucking car Boss is nodding too .

Like this is a fair complete . You both were like okay , now I know what the story is , and now should they yeah , yeah , I didn't know how , but yeah , sorry .

They were establishing that there was nothing in this town , nothing of value , other than Dell , who he is going to take with him . But like he can't stay at the apartment because his dad only had rent for one month , his dad is not long for the world . There's nothing holding him there . His birthright is this fucking car . He is nothing in the town he's in .

Okay , this is what coach reacted to . Boss was smiling . Wayne says I like that car . I did too enough to buy it . It's mine . You bought a car Like you can't believe it .

Is that not enough ? Like , what else do you want from me ? I let you live . Why would you do that ? Why ?

would you do that ? Can you imagine the mentality of stealing somebody else's car and wife and wife and then reminding them of every ?

show often yeah Well , that's because it must be the most bad ass thing that that guy's ever done . Whatever else he's done in his life . He's like , hey , remember that time that I stole that car from that guy and this is what he has to show people Like . That's why he keeps sending it to him to rub it in . I took that from you .

You know what ? That's a great point , especially given what we then see . Right , Like give the place that car obviously holds in his life , right that you go . Yeah , that probably was like the apex of his power . I'm curious what y'all think of this .

Yeah , she actually ran off .

She ran off , which is good yeah .

He didn't steal anything . Yes , no , that's right . That's a much better way of saying it . Yeah .

So I think there's something , but I think the show is doing it . You know what I mean . I think there's a reason why it felt like that , and it contrasts to me so much with Dell , because he could have walked in the room and said let's get the fuck out of here , let's go Right . He said I'm going to Florida , you wanna go too ? Right ?

Yes , this is a very key point .

This is like again agency and like I said the first time , she's had a choice .

She does not have choice . Choices have been removed for her . That's why she's stealing and making money . Wayne says that's what mom looks like now . Yeah , her thighs got fat . They have a little laugh over that , by the way , I wanna talk about real quickly . Mark McKenna plays Wayne . The way he looks at his dad is beaming with love .

He got a lot of that out on the porch , but yeah , sorry guys .

Right , exactly , the porch was the same way he was . You got , okay , I would say , comparable facial expressions in that he was happy in both of the scenes or happy-ish considering his environment , but totally different dynamics . Like he was shy on the porch and he was cautious but excited .

Yeah , go ahead coach . I got the fireworks scene . I feel like I got it . And the gazing at the fam . I don't know there was something about it . There was something about it that was not subtle in the ways I enjoyed other things in the show being subtle . Yeah , I could see that .

Yeah .

I could see that Whoa , this world is crazy and I'm getting this almost documentary-ish feel of being there .

I had a slightly . I think that you're right in that it was very latent . It felt slightly different , though , in that , going off of what you just said , coach , about how he was beaming with love for his father , there's a difference between being a bad father and not being able to provide exactly the kind of life for your child that you would like to .

There's also a romanticization of that man , right , Right , and there's , like I know we don't do too much politics , but I think it's relevant here and it's not about picking on anybody , but the sort of the make America great again mythology in my opinion mythology is around this American man who was forgotten and left behind and once upon a time he could have a

Yes , yeah , I've done the best . I've done the best I've done the best .

He would feel that solace .

I have done the best I fucking could . Coach , I am so sick of you attacking me on live TV . I think that is great . I think you're 100% right . Let me let me a couple of points I always come back to when we talk about parenting . I always say job one , show up , job two , tell them , tell them it's going to be all right .

Literally next door and he can't have access to it .

And I also want to point out the choice that it was a mixed race family with the love and that it's just natural , again , not called out .

I did notice that and it wasn't any like what's she doing with that you ?

know , you could very easily have seen that scene that is that is the showrunner's idealized version of a family which I'm like . I like huge respect for me Because I'm just like . I just love it's those little moments where you go okay , yes , he's an ally , he is , he's putting the right things . I just love it . I love it . I don't know Sean Simmons .

I knew he was going to die . It took me , I think it wasn't until he called for him and there was no response , that I was like oh shit , but like I didn't , I think boss was ahead of me .

I think I may have even clocked boss's reaction , as I was myself letting the tumblers do their thing yeah , this is , this is the lifetime of watching way too much TV is that I see these beats coming a mile away ?

But you reacted to it . There was I don't know if it was just indigestion , but I was watching your face , boss , and you , when he leaned over and realized that I was gone . You actually had a visceral reaction to it , and maybe that's that's . You know . Again , you know , maybe it's just something , something that you know like you're unaware of .

If I'm very into a show , I will not know what I look like , so probably not .

Okay , all right . So now we get the . He falls asleep next to his dad . The thing that gets me that I can't , I can't hack , like it almost . I almost started balling , right , right , when this happens , as he crosses I might not even say it he crosses dad's hands on top of him and he says bye , dad .

Yeah , that one hit me really really hard . That hit me very hard . That hit me really hard and it hit me so much harder than if you had seen him like Crying .

Either punching the wall , or crying or whatever .

There was something about the resignation of it Right , right , right , right and there was something about it was like resigned , sad . Yes , you know he sat down and he gave a moment , but it wasn't . We've seen him be so demonstrative , yes , With his emotion , and there was something powerful about seeing such big emotion play so small from the outside .

Yeah , you know so he would . I love it , coach , it's 100% right . He wakes up , we , he takes the photo of the trans-am , takes the money and turns the photo over . You should have seen both of you had a huge smile on your face when it turns over and you see Ocala , florida , and you both had to be like uh-huh , here we got like , here we fucking go .

I felt like I felt that shot that where he's kind of backlit when he opens the garage or whatever that is yes , yes . I felt like that was a shot . I knew I didn't place it Like the the , the more , better blues when I was like immediately I was like I know what that is , but I feel like that's a shot from something .

I think there's a few that were probably missing Witness or something . Yeah , yeah , yeah , I don't know . Yes , right , right , I mean , do you say witness ?

Oh , that kind of makes witness , yeah , harrison Ford .

Harrison Ford is John Book .

Yeah , yeah , because he ends up hiding a car in the barn .

It might not be the right word , the barn , the Amish barn , but that's what ?

yeah , that's why , but there's something with , like , the lighting and the opening . It might not be witness , but yes , by the way , I love witness and you be careful out there . Among them , english is something I say .

I was just gonna say that .

I say that that's one of the last things I said to my child before they headed to New York . You be careful as we were driving to the airport , I said you be careful out there . Among them English Wow .

Wow , wow , I never knew that . That's amazing , are you impressed ? I know that his character's name is John Book .

Yeah , no , that's pretty good . I would have to think about the character's name , but that is a real story . There used to be a movie poster we studied it in school , sorry , oh , you did , yeah , yeah , yeah , that's one of the reasons I love it , cause I mean , we dug into it .

It's funny . It's too bad you don't have a podcast that you could . I also want to point out the beauty shot of Wayne jumping down with the Roman candle candle fountains on either side of him , but that's like such a such a .

I know that's something too , but yeah , that was like a hero kind of shot yeah .

Okay , so we do that . I got your rent . He gives it to the landlord . We look nick of time , this all of it , I guess . So I guess it'll be your landlord another month or until your dad drags his envelope across his neck like a knife . We know he burns the house down . It's good . I thought it was like a had like a Viking funeral kind of vibe to it .

Like it's really smart , my father gets his burial . Yeah , that's great . Yeah , you know what I ?

mean , plus , we fucked the guy over . My dad would love that . I was like what's he going to do ? He can't afford a funeral , he can't afford to put the guy in the ground , he can't . There's nothing .

Yeah , that's what I ? Yeah , I thought that too . I was like , oh shit , he's in big trouble now . Yeah , it's like he's really really expensive , Seriously Like I don't mean to be , but like dying is expensive .

What are we doing ? The inspiration for one of my favorite tweets , which was a casket , costs . How much Fuck that ? Bury me loose , yeah .

I love it . I really do want to be created , but yeah , no casket Like for those who don't know when you can do it in an animal cause when you really need to deal with it . You're not going to be ready for remembering jokes in the three of us , but if you have not ever like , go take a look at the range of prices , like the starter basic .

It feels a little perverse Beyond any individual choice . Yeah .

Yeah , you know .

I'm like , if we step , if you're in a funeral home this is one of the things we talk about before and we're not going to get into it but I always , when I step back , I go . I think it's a little weird .

I'm like I don't go , yeah , yeah , that's really funny . Let's make this place hella beautiful and then none of us go there .

Yeah , no actually in House of Cards , I think season one , there is an episode , a scene where Claire is running through a cemetery in somebody else that says , like you shouldn't be doing that here , like fucking , why not ? It's a beautifully manicured garden that I'm jogging through why ?

wouldn't I do that ?

while I have to do something terrible like running .

Right , Exactly , no , it's true . I just yeah , I don't you ask someone hey , why do you put ? People in the ground . You ask people that they go . Well , it's in the Bible . No , no , as a matter of fact no , it is .

Even if it were in the Bible , I mean , it's sort of right next to the Constitution and things that I'm like . That's not an answer I almost will ever accept from you . Yeah , it's in the Bible . Really Like , do you want me to give you a list of shit ?

that's in the Bible , because it's pretty fucking nutty . The Old Testament . The Old Testament's a real hoot .

I mean , it's a pretty nutty shit going on , so anyway .

All right . So we established real quick . We established that now he's burned down the house where we feel righteous sort of vengeance . There Orlando runs up . I was bummed out that he didn't give Orlando his titty mags , whatever . I was like , oh , did he just kind of screw Orlando ?

a little bit . Yeah , he forgot yeah .

But I was like , all right , he's got bigger fish to fry . Yeah , and his defense's dad just died . So , like the titty mags have to take a backseat .

Also , that's true . Also the money that Orlando gave him and he gave to Dell , she fanned it out on the porch . It was all ones . It was probably like 15 bucks , not like oh 12 .

Yeah , that's what I was going to say . I was like $13 whole dollars . Yeah , that's what it looked like to me . Yeah , I was like this is not yeah .

It was singles . Yeah , it was almost Every single one was a single . Yeah , so we have Dean Winters . I mean , OK , the dog , we get a shot of that . He's drinking out back like you do , I guess by yourself you know . He's having a beverage out of the lanai and the doghouse lights on fire magically .

I'm like oh , my god , how fucking dumb are you . First of all , there's a fire , like it's not . Like , oh , I dropped my cigarette , like whatever . Like it's a thing , it's a structure that is on fire , albeit a doghouse , and then , by the way , you're not drinking water .

It's so awesome . It's such a great visual in the dark . Yeah , that was great .

He's got this torch there . Yes , he's like a crazy villager or something .

There's a line in Nobody's Fool where it's hard to describe , but it's basically a court thing , where an officer has discharged his weapon and almost hit Paul Newman and they're in court and the judge says to the police chief like I thought I instructed you not to arm idiots or morons , I thought I told you not to arm more . I love it .

Yes , yeah , no , absolutely . Without him telling them how to treat other people , they're not entirely sure how to do that .

Right , right , he says I've got a bat . Oh , I was like really Like you , two tough guys like you here somewhere , going , by the way , your little sister's up there , yeah , yeah , yeah , they don't go charging up the stairs Like , oh , they have to be so protective of her that they're going to like stomp some fool in the yard .

Yeah , when Wayne opens the Dell's door , the Dell's face see our Bravo . She is so stunned Like she is astounded , literally astounded . What are you doing here ? She's like what the ? You want to go to Florida with me ? Why , to get my daddy's car back ? What for ? Because he wanted me to have it . Dell brother's calling up , teddy's calling up from the .

Of course . Well , yeah , what's he going to have ? Some flat screen Fancy ?

flat screen from the future . Yeah , fuck out of here .

What the fuck ? He snatched that from somewhere and fixed it . Yeah right , Probably .

She's about to walk Wayne downstairs . He goes hold on . He waits for the here . The creek of the stairs . You guys were dying , by the way , you both . Boss was like holding her face . Coach is gone . Oh shit . Like anticipating what it would feel like , I was like he's going to fucking blame him .

Oh my god .

Bam drops it on the brothers , they get out the door and then Wayne gets kicked in the back . He's going to go this is where the father sees him . He says he's coming at them with the broom and brother kicks him from the back and Wayne drops the nunchucks . He's going to make that very badass drop one side of the nunchucks , kind of thing .

But from behind Any other sensation in the world .

From behind . I don't think have you ever been kicked from the backside like that coach .

No , I've gotten nailed a couple of times , but never from the back like that . I can only imagine it's even worse , because I'm thinking about the physics of that and it would just be like it's the perfect angle to cripple you . It's like , because I think about it , I'm like , oh yeah , no , that would fucking kill .

I told you one side I took a shot in the cross . I was a cross player , attack man it was , so my job was to shoot , basically Ultimate pre-modona position . It's really , it's like a job in any sport where they hand it off to you , get it for a second , one second . You turn and you crank it .

You know it's a hard rubber ball and I hit the kid no .

This other kid in the . That's not who you are Right in the in the in the colonies , but he must . He must have had a . He must have had , he must have had a . He must have had a defective cup . Because what happened ? It inverted his cup like his , the hard plastic cup in , I told you this before and so , like the ball was held in in inverted .

It's which it's vaguely like a , a life less ordinary . Do you guys ever see that ? Cameron Diaz and Ewan McGregor , it was the range romantic comedy from , I think , danny Boyle , but I need to double check that .

But there's a weird really A Danny Boyle romantic comedy .

Let me double check that but yeah , it was the movie Ewan McGregor did after Transpotting and there's a scene where it comes off that he accidentally kidnaps Cameron Diaz , but while Ewan McGregor is fighting with her father , she kicks the gun back to him Like she is fully involved in . Yes , you go ahead and beat my dad's ass and then you're going to kidnap .

So , yes , there's the having the buy-in does help definitely . Got it .

Dylan . Wayne turned to see Daddy coming towards him now holding the broom like a weapon , a broom that's on fire , which is fantastic . Wayne reaches inside his backpack calmly . Wayne , don't hurt him . That is a key moment . Wayne don't hurt him . Like I'm like . Does she not just think there's a gun in there ?

Like I think she , more than she saw what was in the bag , she saw what was in the dude and she was like this motherfucker this motherfucker is no joke , Like she's been around a lot of violence , her goofy brothers and she's like this guy took a beating from my father , then my brothers , and just came traipsing up into my house and also she just watched him

Yes , Think about this , Just let's think about this In our lifetime , of all the hundreds of thousands of hours of shows we've watched collectively , I've seen someone courting someone else a wooer , if you will boss . I have seen them toss pebbles at the window right . I have seen them call . I have seen them write . I have not seen them walk into the house .

But where there is like a prophet , you know like yeah , interesting Wayne , don't hurt him .

I thought that was telling . She's what she sees in the , not what she's seen in the backpack . She's what she sees in the guy . That is beautifully said . Coach , I told you stay away from my daughter , then you get this fight . And I don't remember this line .

Yeah , not specifically .

But Wayne says get on the bike , Delsa's , Wayne , you can't . And she says go . And then we get a real this is a real hard hit , Wayne .

Or what does it come to . It's punching the mouth , but yeah .

Punching the mouth . That's what it is . Yeah , it's great . From his knees , wayne throws the exact same punch to the balls harder . They punch , pun , pun , blah , blah , blah , blah . They get back pinned up against . What was it a ?

dumpster . It looked like to me . You're like yeah , I thought dumpster , but yeah , something like that .

Or whatever they got . They're like the ship containers .

Yeah , ship containers .

Yeah , and then Wayne , of course . What does he do here ? Boss , I refreshed my memory . You were dying . You had your hands fully covered in your face . Coach was like when you go , oh no , no , don't do that . Like coach was like I don't think this is , oh my god . Like coach was reacting , but you were fully like this , yeah .

Oh , he bit daddy's nose off . Screaming Daddy doesn't have a nose anymore .

Daddy , don't have no nose , no more . I mean he .

The way it was shown . It's funny because we talk about gratuitous violence and we have talked about gratuitous violence , I mean , and so on , and one could argue we got it . If you just show him opening up and going in and then you cut to the guy screaming , you've got it and I could get it .

In the script you have , daddy . Actually they fall down on bottles broken bottles and he gets his foot like a piece of glass . He pulls out of his foot and he screams because it's such a big piece of glass . He does not have his nose bit off . Oh , they changed the thing for me . He says Dale , get off that bike or I'm going to hurt you .

Somebody called him Glitch McConnell and I was like fuck , yes , I'm done . That's all I need for the day .

Look in the chat . Look in the chat right now .

Yes .

Yes , shut up . I put hashtag Mitch Glitch right before you said that . Yeah , glitch McConnell .

I was like I'll tell you .

It's funny you say that about justice . I have a friend who's like dealt with epileptic seizures her whole life and it's really like enough that like she's , it's not a thing , that's happened occasionally , like it has shaped her adult experience in many ways and I was surprised , because she is generally just a lovely human being .

Wow wow , I guess I don't have that gear . I think I do . I think I'm a real tough guy . And then you put one senior moment in front of me and I fold like a fucking auditorium chair . No , I hear you . I know , it wasn't like I'm like . Oh , I wish him the best .

Oh , no , no , no , no , but I hear you .

Yeah , I just know what it looks like and I'm like does anyone understand what this is Like ? Why is this allowed ?

Yeah , I mean come on . I mean come on , man like you , just you know .

And actually why he's still there is equally , if not more , appalling , you know like so anyway , yes , it doesn't matter whatever . There's a little bit inside baseball for our friends outside the country . But yeah , this is you know what I was just thinking , because I'm going to direct people to watch this , and I don't , I got to see .

I tweeted a YouTube link , but I did already .

Yeah , yeah , okay , all right , that's good , I like that . Oh , you did . You already took a look , I already . I immediately got on and was like Castleton is destroying our Ted time .

We're no Ted talk , we're having a Wayne interruption . It's fine .

A Wayne interruption .

A Wayne interruption .

Yeah .

Wow , oh my God , am I in the upside down ? What just happened on this recording ?

It's a magical Wayne alternative . It's an alternative Wayne universe . I guess so .

Wayne . Interruption from Coach Castleton .

I think from Coach Castleton Wow .

I feel like you need to now hit us with the Roy .

I hate what you've done to me . I hate what you've done to me .

That's exactly what I said , just top piece to hit us with the Roy line on that one . I hate what you've done to me , you're all done . No , but yeah , that was good man , I mean , that was really good .

Let's forget it happened . I want to point out that when they cruise off on the bike , daddy yells what ? What does he yell after his daughter , delilah , delilah , and what do we know about Delilah ? Name , delilah , anybody ?

Well , I'm pretty sure you're talking about the same white T song , obviously . Is that what you're going for ?

Yeah , well , pretty sure that's the go to definition .

No , Samson and Delilah .

Yeah , Delilah was the name . Delilah is known for what Like ? What's a word you would use as a colloquialism for how we understand the Delilah character .

For basically rendering a man powerless or impotent or basically destroying a man . I would say temptress , but yes , okay , but yes , no , but yeah , yeah , yeah with the method of his undoing for certain .

So interesting choice . And she also said Del said it ain't sure if or nothing . Yeah , so don't bother asking .

I yeah , I thought her goodbye daddy . Now that we've now had our deep dive conversation , I think it's fascinating that these two get each other in the way they do . We watch them both say goodbye to their fathers in very rapid succession actually .

Oh , oh , I never even noticed that . Oh , my God .

And how different it like it's the like one is like reverential Viking funeral . Whatever the other is , I leave you maimed . I was freed from you . I was saved from you . You were my captor .

Wow , You're all right coach .

Yeah , I hear he went to a good school . I love that .

Just ask him Right , right , right , okay , wow , beautiful , we do a very now . This is an interesting choice , but I think it really works . I'm interested to hear what you guys think we cut to . We got a chiron Ocala , florida , 1,300 miles away . Now like okay , I'm like , why is it necessary in the pilot ? Do we need it ?

The grill .

Is it called a grill ? And what are the youths called ? Seriously , it's just not part of my work but he's got a gold teeth . It's just something that goes over the teeth . They're like caps yeah . Yeah .

I guess some people do more than that . But yeah , this should be something you can put in and take out when you want to .

So he kind of bullies his friend into giving up a sandwich to a crock that's on a rope . I'm like , okay , his dad Calvin shows up . Quit watching those dogs and get over here , for for God's sake , leave those dipshits alone or something . In this show it says that and then he reveals hey , it's your birthday , ain't it ? You know ?

And he says 17th Yikes .

And then what does he reveal ? The sweet train , the shit hot 78 trans am .

I was not sure I wanted to go see them when it started . Once it was done , we see the killer across the grill and I thought , yeah , that was exactly right . Because right now , as as Wayne is heading down there , wayne is the ass kicker to end all ass kickers . His principal calls him in . He literally eats the man's lunch and leaves .

Right , Well , he's got a teardrop tattoo too . Do you notice that ?

Oh , I didn't notice the teardrop , that's funny , which you go . All right , what is ?

that indicative of boss from your deep knowledge of gang culture .

Oh , that you killed somebody , although there is a white woman who won some sort of like gas station sweepstake type thing and she had a teardrop tattoo and , like in the comments , they had to clarify this is not an intentional murder . She accidentally killed somebody in a car accident and decided to get this tattoo .

That is a weird , that's a weird fucking choice . I used to love this show and then it turned into a PSA , you know . Does that remind you of anything , paul ?

That's not a PSA . I'm telling you flat out , bitches , don't do this . This is not for us , it's not ours .

Bitches , don't do this .

So so is he a worthy adversary ? We will find out . We see Dell and Wayne . Now we're headed back to the highway . Big real rig pulls up hard behind them , wanting to pass .

they showed sort of I don't want to say this in a disparaging way because I grew up extremely poor and probably would fit in with all of these kids , but the trashier element of Massachusetts , in Brockton and then also in a cola Florida , sort of an equivalent , yet different flavor of trashy , reminds me a lot of David Cross's bit about the redneck voice .

You , get the city is you get that voice .

It's hilarious yeah it's interesting . So it's , you know it's . It's the rougher neighborhoods across America that were being shown , and I appreciate that You're right about a slice of life . I think I do like it .

Yeah , I'm telling you that , that coach . I just want to say quickly again , even in Reggie's place there's , there's . I'm not 100% sure what their sort of race is , but I know there's like one friend is black , one friend is white , like it's just part of the , it's not they just like , it's just that , it just is .

So for for me , I , I know when I really like something creatively , because I then want to be creative , oh , and so this , like I just I noticed as we were talking , like I was like , huh , you know , that's really interesting how people fall in love like this , and you know , like , like , like , like .

I love that . I love that . That makes me feel like that line I will say from LA story . Usually I don't like being around interesting people because then I start showing off which is the idiots version of being interesting . Steve , steve Martin , harris K , telemacher line , but yeah , but I like that . It inspires you to to feel creative .

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Yeah , it's amazing . I love it . Boss , what about you ?

Still on Twitter , but also on Blue Sky . Both places it's Dumbly underscore chambers and I keep saying it every week . In one of these weeks , Castleton is just going to have an aneurysm , because I'm not doing it but writing at the antagonist , which is antagonistblogcom .

Thank , you , boss . Thank you in advance for the aneurysm . For sure , I wish there was a better verb for blue sky . Can't wait to blue blue sky . I posted a blue sky . What if ?

we tried blue ski Cause I . That's how I read it . I would have read it . That's how I read it . That's how I read it Initially . Maybe it's I know too many Polish people , but I blue ski , that's funny . I'm going to do a blue ski .

Maybe , maybe , maybe , maybe . I thought when people talked about I'm not on there yet and part of me is just like yeah , let's just see if there's the one that takes . I remember my space . I've been through some things .

I love that you don't mind being late to the party . You're like I'm old enough to I don't mind . I don't mind . No , I know , and I'm kind of part of me like get over there , check it out .

But yeah , there's part of me , it's like , eh , but um , yeah , I , I probably should get my ass over there sooner than later for old Bishop , before I become old Bishop 305 . Um , but we shall see .

Love it . Okay , thank you everyone . Thanks for spending this time with us . Thank you for joining us for this very special episode of Wayne , chapter one . Get some then . Um , I have been your host , coach Castleton . Uh , thank you for , uh , supporting your local libraries and the written word .

You want to you want them to get down on this one .

That's what I was just thinking . That's it .

Yes , I want to see the same kind of justice , um , and so , uh , hopefully that will happen in the future , but anyway , in the meantime , we really appreciate everyone's kindness and warm , uh thoughts and understanding and supportive of writers and actors and who make the shows that we love .

Rock until we die . Cause fuck you . That's why .

Oh man , I like this , oh my God , this , this podcast with attitude . You know , before we end up , one of our , one of our great butter cups . Elizabeth pointed out she's just a professor and wildly intelligent . She pointed out butter cups are beautiful but poisonous . Oh , so , this is it . Here's the other side of it .

I know boss likes it . Fuck yeah , I am into it . I am in here , I love it .

Awesome . Thanks everyone , thank you .