The Bear | S3 E2 Part2 "Next"

Welcome to our Ted Lasso Talk , the Tedcast . Welcome all Greyhound fans , welcome all you sinners from the dog track and all the AFC Richmond fans around the world . It's the Lasso Way around these parts with Coach , coach and Boss , without further ado , coach Castleton .

Hey , welcome back , beautiful people . Today we're discussing the Bear , Season 3 , Episode 2 . Next , this is Part 2 of our conversation . I am your host , Coach Castleton . With me , as always , is Coach Bishop .

Sorry about that , I'm not really great with the buttons here .

Well and goodbye to anyone looking for a professional podcast . How is this ? How's this ?

button work . I was clicking , I was like what's happening ? I was just a little lost there .

I forgot about that . Well , yes , welcome , welcome . Coach With us is our boss , emily Chambers .

I definitely considered having 10 seconds of dead air . Oh , my God Just following her To make me die . I thought it would be really funny until we heard you having a heart attack on air , and that the only other thing I need to say . Last episode I forgot to look up Laura Moon actress's name . It is Emily Browning . I should have remembered that .

Oh right , there was a long the time that we were talking about fan service and things like that , and sometimes it's good Some sometimes on American gods .

It's amazing .

Yeah , that , and sometimes it's good . Um , some sometimes on american gods , it's amazing . Yeah , well , that's good . I mean , listen , it's not that we've we've spent so much of our adult lives , uh not getting what we want as a society . It is nice to get uh what we want from time to time .

I'm nearly always commenting on the facts , but I think you said facts .

Yes , the F-A-K-S .

Not F-A-C-T-S , f-a-k-s . Got it . Just wanted to make sure if I needed to correct you on anything else . No , only that , we talked a little bit in the last episode about our last podcast , about this episode .

Okay , you're saying uh , some people might feel that way , you don't feel that way okay , you're saying uh , some people might feel that way , you don't feel that way .

Um , I it . After a bit it became a little . It did become repetitive , although I don't think that's a bad thing in this season . Okay , I think the monotony and the repetitiveness and the this is getting old worked for me there . Was it a choice ? It is 100% a choice , but it is a choice that worked for me .

So boss is not a part of the fact , the facts movement .

Okay , exactly , look at Coach's face .

Coach is like first the goddamn button thing , now this fucking pun bullshit . Look at it , look at his face . I waited , I waited the whole time you were making a legitimate point goddamn button thing Now this fucking pun bullshit . Look at his face . Look at his face . I waited , I waited the whole time you were making a legitimate point .

I will say this At the end of last season , end of season two , there was a scene where Kelly the end of last season and the season two there was a scene where Kelly , the friend of Claire , played by Mitra Juhari , was looking , you know , came to the restaurant for the friends and family and there was a scene where Ricky Staffieri , who plays Theodore Fack ,

Well , but I guess I'm curious . I'm curious for the people who say it's too much of it , what it feels to me like they belong there , like the relationship that was established , why they're there , what they're doing , the stuff that's coming up in terms of where they fill in in the restaurant , I don't know .

It's not stunt casting , right , it's not that . No , I feel like this is , I guess yes , think you're it's not like , it's not stunt casting . Right , it's not . No , I mean this .

This is the . I feel like this is , I guess . Yes , thank you , cause you helped me find it . This feels very much . Their presence feels very much of this world and appropriate to the story that's being told to me yeah .

You haven't seen some of the episodes where it gets it gets

As they are walking in . So Fack hands Richie the iron that he was looking for a few minutes ago . And he says I wanted to iron my suit , I wanted to look classy , I wanted to look sharp . Actually is what they said , jesus christ sharp is such a good word uh , does he look ? sharp said neil , I told you that's a fresco wool like I . I don't .

I didn't even know , what that means , but okay that made me laugh and because I used to iron clothes all the time . That's a whole other thing . Black people ironing , that's a whole other thing . Black people ironing , it's a whole thing . And then now these days , nobody fucking irons . We could do a whole thing about that .

Wait , just give us a real quick insight into that . I don't know what you're talking about .

Oh , when I was a teenager , certainly going somewhere with some wrinkled clothes was like the fuck are you doing ? Have you ? Certainly like ? Going somewhere with some wrinkled clothes was like the fuck are you doing ? Like , have you given up on life ? Like it . It was on the same level of . Like the dirty sneakers .

It was like yeah , Really Okay . So can you tell me what the origin of that is ?

I think honestly .

I think there are different things , I think .

I think I think that is probably in there . That that I think that is probably in there . Yeah , that you know , you knew that like when you show up someplace , you better look like this and you better whatever , because you know people are going to assume these other things anyway . So that is probably right .

And then I've had times where I ironed it .

Oh , 15 , 16 , 17, . Like until I went off to college there was a lot less ironing going on on campus , but like when I would go out like less ironing going on on campus but when I would go out like , yeah , man , you gotta , you know , do you still iron , get yourself together ?

Like a handheld , portable steamer that you can steam out on . I was like I am so like , yeah , because yeah , yeah , steam out like .

I was like , I am so like , and yeah , because now you go out looking over you gotta go . You know , yeah , you're going somewhere . You gotta look fresh you gotta do it show up you gotta . You know , come on now , we're gonna be in public baby .

Well , well , I myself am not an ironer . I should mention that in between it was either fifth and sixth or sixth and seventh , but I want to say it was between elementary school and middle school . My younger brother went from putting on a track suit to go to bed that he would then wake up in the morning wearing and go to school .

Whenever I go send my shirts to dry cleaning , uh , which I don't I don't dress up that much anymore , so but I would always be like no starch , because I can't stand the feel of it on my skin . I don't know , it's like would make me crazy . Um , so yeah , but that's about I hated ironing .

like you go over the seam and it would like , kind of you know and I'm like , catch you , get like a little line there and be like , oh no , I'm like , I'm adding work and I'm like oh my god , I'm making wrinkles now yes yeah , no , that's the worst . It's like .

It's like like the old school way . It was like a , it was like a 11 step thing and okay , arm here flip it over arm here . Flip it over inside .

I would have to stop and think about what you're describing . I like it used to be automatic , like I was . Just I could be talking to you while I was doing it and now I would really have to stop and be like , okay , yeah , let me do this . But yeah , no , I used to . Yeah , it was .

It was insanity I think , like that's . I should have known I had adhd back then because I was like you know what ? Like , all right , fuck them if they don't like rumpled . I'm not ironing , I don't . I don't talk about white male privilege , I'm just like I can't , I cannot , like it is , it is hell , um , but I do appreciate that .

and take it away from here , boss , please um a a lot of back and forth , still like the addition of the facts that the kitchen has not drawn attention or settled anything down in any way . This is just additional , like the fact also says . Am I stroking this way Somebody ?

else does ? Three people , yeah , three people .

Three people . Now am I having a stroke ?

It was Sydney , and then it was sugar , and then now it's a fact , neil . Fact yeah .

Yes , the vibes up there . Why is everyone standing around Again ? Already every second counts . It seems bad . It's not bad , we're fine . Carmi says honey , you are not . What are you talking about ? Nah , bonnie , we're fine .

That is a great .

This shot is fantastic this is a great shot . This is a really good so so we're .

We're at the end of essential what I don't know . In a restaurant they call it an island , but what in your kitchen would be referred to as an island , right ? And so you've got Carm just working away on his new menu items . You've got Sid full on head down like pinching of the nose Jesus Christ , it's too much .

It harkens back to the picture of Mel male . Uh , melancholy yes , from ted lasso very much it has it has a shot composition where you go , if you , if you have , if this is a still , you know what ? I'm gonna take a picture of this , so we post it's like a .

It's like a before of the last supper . Like it's like exactly this was the kitchen . Like this was the kitchen for the last time yeah right , yeah right , yeah right .

There's a . You know you're catching something . Um , in the middle of something , you can start to build a narrative just around the single shot . Um , uh , boss , keep going here .

Uh , as he is handing it over , uh says uh , this insane fucking policies , riches being an asshole , that's normal . Like the cross talk on this . It very rarely actually works well , but you in this scene works extremely well . Um , they're at I .

I don't know what happens next , coach oh yeah , but but just on the crosstalk for a second . I agree with you that it works incredibly well , and I think it works incredibly well because it's not just a matter of oh , I'm a clever writer .

With some non-negotiables . Who you non-negotiable motherfucker .

I'll put you in the head of luck right now . You know what I mean .

Like they didn't say all of that , he's just like this would be chef carmy's non-negotiable , like there's a lot in there anyway sorry , well , no , actually I love that point and I don't want to get too far down this road right now because I feel like we're gonna go back and discuss this in mostly season two .

Interesting . Yeah , we'll get into that more because I tended to . When we the conversations we did have in season one , I was with you in that , likeie , we ain't in charge , right , he's in . I right , there's something in this moment and we'll get you know , we can dig into it .

oh , oh , yes , no , no , no . I I mean again . I this is better conversation for other times , but this is that I believe carmen is developing a kind of restaurant that he dislikes in other people . I'm not saying that he isn't able to do it technically

right , um . So I want to point out a little adhd moment . So what happened was we were talking about that great shot and I'm the one who drives the um , the video , and so in my adhd I was like , oh , I'm gonna put that on the on the community site . And I was like , I know , I'm gonna , I'm going to put that on the community site .

So I came in and tap danced like Sammy Davis Jr doing , mr .

Bojangles over here Right so there you go .

That's how I did I did take a tap dance class for grown-ups a few years back .

I think you did tell us that , oh my god me and one of my besties yeah , we did it , she's trying to exhaust my love . That's what it is she's like . Let's just see how much love you have in your heart , sir oh , you love tap dance . I love the idea that Boss took a tap dance class . I would fucking pay money to watch that class .

Boss has oily hips . Did I ever tell you this ?

You did . You told me he was dancing when you did the pajama thing .

Remind me when your birthday is , Coach , it's coming up right it is .

It's the 21st of July , got it ? I got it . I'm a flutter . I haven't been a flutter in quite some time . I'm a flutter .

All right . So Richie's talking about insane policies . Richie's being an asshole , that's normal . Keep going boss .

The vibes are so weird in here . You're such a fucking bitch . They're just absolutely fighting . The kids are upset . Nobody likes it . Why are you guys so mad ? I'm not mad .

Why are you guys always so mad ?

That's another thing . It's not mad now .

Why are you always so mad ?

Right . A point that I've read on Twitter is that I don't usually like using the term African-American because it doesn't matter , I'll use whatever Somebody said . Black vernacular , specifically American black vernacular , is great because they do things like say they stay mad , which is an ongoing thing . It is not once , it is .

These motherfuckers stay mad . They stay mad . You ain't gonna never bump into Karmie and be like , oh , he was a great fucker , but he wasn't even mad today . He's always mad .

He's always mad , he stays mad .

That's good . That's exactly right about these guys . They stay mad .

This is the right time for that Karmie says open your mouth , and he puts something in . He just feeds with his fingers .

Yes , isn't that great With his fingers .

And you go right In the middle of all this . I'm like that's amazing .

And also , in the middle of this , Neil is fucking happy about it . That's a contented face , oh yeah .

No , he's not . This really . That's why , like for me , that's why this feels so much like family , like this is chaotic , right and a second ago it was like we're not mad and probably somebody said fuck you to him . I mean it really wouldn't stand out . And then , but at the same time , like feeding someone , like that's so intimate .

I'm saying in general , right , in this moment he's not .

Yes , claire , right , but in general , he's not feeding anybody else and Neil always says like I'm Karmie's best friend .

That's proof positive , right there , right , he's not feeding Richie .

Yeah , exactly , but he's almost like a . He's like a golden retriever , though Right . Yeah , like you just give .

He's like a golden retriever , though Right yeah , like you just give him a treat and he's like I think he forgot to be unhappy anymore .

Like a minute ago he was like oh no , the family's fighting here , eat this . Ah , okay , go off to work now .

I think it's great . Yeah , that's right . He walks away with a smile , we cut to black and then we come back in and Coach walk us through this . It's like basically a standard commercial break sort of edit , and we come back from black and we're on Richie tight . It's just a single of Richie and what's going on here , coach ?

He says are you detail and specificity ? Yes , P Tendrils , 8.11 am 8.09 am . Snap Peasrils , 8 , 11 am 809 am . Snap peas , 8 , 15 am . I'm trapped in a prison of my own design . That's funny . You have to do that right fucking there . Uh , to someone on a ladder fixing a light . Um , probably . I'm thinking probably .

Let's see how far he's at . We don't know , because what's happening visually ?

We are super in Visually . We are in on this food . The thing is , richie does know what's happening here . He actually does know what's happening here and that's part of what's pissing Carm off , because what was supposed to happen was he was supposed to prepare this food and that's his shield , and so everybody would come in and go .

We haven't even made it to the first meal yet um , coach , we got to point out also the rule of threes in comedy . Uh , pete chandler's 8 11 am , 809 am .

Snap piece the third one then is um is the joke 15 a I'm trapped in a prison of my own design .

Right and , by the way , I didn't notice Two clicks up and then a payoff .

And the payoff works extra well because there is a push , a really fast push in on Sid . That ends sort of awkwardly and abruptly in the midst of all this .

We're super tight on the food and we do three separate cuts of extreme close-up on Sydney's eyes and it's a super fast cut a second or less but we see her blink and her eyes move each time . So if you watch this , it's not just like she's studying .

Yes , I missed that . It's so important , ooh , but this one pulls out so look at this .

Sydney set up food on a pan . Zoom to Sydney , zoom to food , Sydney pee Sydney . That was something else . Sydney , see how quick that is right yeah , each time she's looking confused and processing , looking , studying , blinking . It's this frenetic motion that matches the speed of the cuts , that's that's like , that's pretty bad .

But it's when a joke is more than a joke , right , and it's a good way of using that , because one Sid is , I think , hearing Richie loud and clear and looking at all this stuff and going , yeah , this is fucking crazy , but okay . And looking at all this stuff and going , yeah , this is fucking crazy , but okay .

I thought that was pretty good . Yes , no , that's exactly the same way that I did that . Her job right now is to figure out what Carmi is doing with this menu and be able to assist and replicate with replicate it and assist with it . So the facts and the light , and Richie and Carmi being children and fighting , that's not what she's focused on right now .

It's not Carmi that has to replicate this , it's Tina .

So Sydney needs to understand it so that she can teach it , so that Tina can do it .

You know what ? Thank you , correct , and that is a whole other level .

You know what Thank you Correct . I love it I love it , me too .

Good team right there . Total podcast , the three little words I love the most . You were right .

Yeah , right , right . So Karm is like you got to do this here . He's like , yeah , we got to do this here . Karm Light's right here . Karm , like still super quick cuts . Sorry , ted , sorry Ted , that's some real growth . I apologize to you . I apologize , richie . Now the cuts are so fast you cannot keep up . I don't care who you are .

Wow , I'm sorry but no , there's so much going on . Tina comes in , we've got morning , all We've got the cuts of the cutting of the actual salary . We're cutting the different things .

No , it's intense Good boss . Why don't you take that up with him ? See , boss , she'd love to say what I do . No , no , he didn't really say I love you . I love you wasn't I love you , coach .

No , I love you , wasn't I love you ? Oh , good yeah , so now pick on coach .

And then I'll stand back and I'll go .

hey man , I'm with boss on this one . I totally get it why can't we be the cowards ?

sometimes Well , coward , come on . No , no , no . I think we'll need to . When we go back and finish seasons one and two , we will revisit it .

He was attempting that , at least when you call somebody there is the chance that they're going to pick up and you are going to talk to them and you're of the mind that he would have preferred that .

I don't know what he would have preferred . I know that he doesn't have an easy time saying he's sorry and that that would have been difficult and that he did do it . I'm not saying that that is like in and of itself . I'm not like this strong man apologized for being an asshole .

Oh , I mean , yes , we'll do the details of it , but I think this actually matters a lot in terms of my experience of what's gone on so far in this season , because I thought it was exasperated .

I would have to rewatch it and think about what you're saying . Let's save it a little bit .

But it does impact how I see this , or it would Right .

I mean the fact that we haven't discussed that yet . My impression of this is that Richie was being antagonistic when he said that that was to piss Carmi off , that his behavior in the kitchen this morning is as childish as Carmi's . I'm not saying that Carmi's in the right and that Richie is wrong .

The way the ethos is you're allowed to do whatever the hell you want , and then we can judge you appropriately based on those actions . Right , boss , I'm not miscategorizing the way you see those things , right ?

The vibes are not right with me and I like there are what seven , 10 million people or something that live in New York . Like I can't pretend that it is not a well-liked area , it's just not for me . Yeah , I can't get into it , I can't figure out . There is , oh , my God , you guys , oh there's something so wrong with me .

To make it yeah yeah , no , it's , it's , it's , yeah , i's it's . Yeah , I mean it's interesting . It's certainly not for everybody . I mean , you know , but I , yeah , I , I am .

I will go back because , as I explained to Castleton , I will need to see the ballet again . I saw Swan Lake . It was fucking incredible when all of the dancers were swans . I had to cry multiple times like crying at the ballet . There were such swans . They were really fucking good . Those bitches can twirl .

And I also think I understand when people are like I'm going to stay in the suburbs .

Chicago is my version of New York suburb .

I can't do it . Even when you mention the Q train , I get nostalgic . I used to ride that into Manhattan . I'm like , oh , that's my train where I was living when I lived there . And I lived in a few places in New York , but that was the one I spent the most time . So I rode the Q train the most .

Oh , I moved here in 97 . The fall of 97 . So I've been here 27 years .

You say home about , I have lived in .

LA longer than I lived in New York , and I've lived in LA more than half my life , and Brooklyn is home . Wow , yeah , I get that If I live here , the rest , if I live in LA , the rest of my life . When I die , brooklyn will be home .

That's actually I love that .

I said some shit . Morning Tina comes in . I noticed that Richie gave Tina a little kiss on the cheek when she came in . Did I see that right or did you guys miss that ?

I missed it , but it feels right . I mean it's in line with the energy . Let's look at it and check my work .

It felt very European to me or very like you know , sort of family thing . But nobody else gave her a kiss so I was like , oh , is that maybe ?

I'm missing this , but she comes in right here . Yeah , um , it looks like he takes out his earbud or something , or no , no , he doesn't , he just puts his . No , he's got his . He's fucking with .

So yeah , there's a lot bubbling up here and he's mocking Carmi's apology . Not what I said , that's not what I said . Oh , so I still love you . Bye . It's like this , it didn't he ?

didn't it didn't land him right obviously no , but I get . See , it's funny because I actually do get both their points . It's actually one of the things I like about this dynamic between them because I I feel like I get the underlying how they deal with each other .

I do get it and because I didn't read it as a non-apology apology . I'm not saying it was a great apology .

You know that's not my experience . That was not my experience of the seed , but now that you describe it like that , I'm like I'm so happy , richie .

I am so happy that you brought that up , boss , because here's my next question was interesting . I know the chambers family is very vocal and I know that like , uh , like spirited , uh , debate is part of your culture or whatever right is . Am I correct in saying okay ? I thought it was very loud .

Yeah , I get what you're saying . I'm trying to I'm not sure Like how does it work in your family ?

Coach ?

Usually I'm wrong . No , no , no , I'm assuming .

No , no , no , no , no . I'm fucking wrong . I'm assuming with you and Daphne . Yeah , you're always wrong .

No , no , no In your family of origin growing up At our best , at my best .

Best , I think , generally if it's a point , if it's a real sticking point , not just sort of like I want to watch this , I want to watch that . But if it's an issue , at our best I think we do just have a conversation with just the two of us generally . But , that said , I don't have a problem with our kids hearing , you know , us disagree .

yes I'm not sure that they I think , the circle includes everyone in this room , right for sure imagine if the two of them went to talk and sydney would be like what , the what , what's happening ? I'm sorry , my like tina would be like hold on a sec . I'm actually like family , like what are we talking like ?

So my hand is on the bulb that's making everyone think they're stroking out . So are you saying I'm not part of the fucking family ? Because if not , I can tell you my rate . It's a great point , great point , coach yes , yeah no uh , to your point , castleton .

Um , I was thinking about the episode of the simpsons where marge makes homer go out to the car to fight . Like brought this up before yeah , yeah , yeah and so . so Marge says I always hated knowing my parents were fighting when I was a kid . And then Bart and Lisa at the window saying they're fighting in the car again .

Yeah , that's pretty safe .

I will also say that the thing that made , even though this fighting was chaotic and mean at times , what made me feel okay with it , was that sydney said can both you guys shut up , you're giving me a fucking headache . And neither one of them said like stay out of this .

That's great . In real time you're seeing that the dynamic includes that Great point .

One thing I want to point out here we talk about how the anxiety coach goes through In this shot . I have the how uh the anxiety coach goes through in this shot .

No , it doesn't matter , though . I mean , yeah , I actually I had the thought , but I thought there's so much going on in this scene and they're probably like I I assume this is like what he was testing shit out on . I don't know , but yeah , but I did have the thought like hmm , I would probably vote for not cooking wild yeah , like right under this .

Anyway , that made me crazy .

But but I love though even . But it is addressed to a certain degree because Carm says can you do that somewhere else ? Yeah , yeah , yeah . Which shows such blinders , to the point of . Would you like me to take the ceiling from this room and bring it to a less A more convenient place .

The bulb that's flickering is above you . I don't know what to what ?

the fuck you talk about . So yeah , but anyway , I , I , I for me this . Maybe this chaos feels this is a little sad to say . I guess it's not really sad . It might be sad to others . It kind of feels familiar the chaos of this people had like the sort of of low-key hostility between certain family members .

One other thing I want to point out about the lighting is that , um , you would imagine it's a new place so you want to think everything's done with uh led lights . But throughout the season I'm going to point out different uh light settings that they have .

Yeah , they definitely play with light and the intensity of it . Karmie says that's not what I said coach , not what I said , that's not so . Um uh uh , bye , I still love you , bye , like it's . It's kind of fucked up in light of I . I felt fine about it , like I was 80 with richie in this scene , but but boss has pulled me closer to like a 60 40 .

I was just trying to be honest . You ran away from it . Georgie says I didn't know how to respond to all the crazy shit you were saying . Huh , what ? Respond to all the crazy ?

shit . You were saying huh what you need to do some negotiating with yourself . Okay , this is oh yeah , so . So that's Richie , you need to do some negotiating with yourself . Karmie says oh yeah . Richie says you tell me um facts .

Back to I don't like this the grown-ups are fighting again .

Yeah cindy says it's bad , which is right . Changing the menu every day sounds a bit like running away for me and I was like oh we're just telling the truths now and what's the response ? Okay , fuck you .

How yeah , no , you're absolutely right about that . Yeah , no , you're absolutely right about that . And also , what they are mad at each other about is what the other one was deprived of . So Richie says you ran away . He's not just talking about last night . He's talking about years ago . You ran away from the family .

Yeah , yeah , way , way , way , way less wrong .

I love . It's funny that Coach is always complaining about . Oh , you two always back each other up and then you come on here and you basically wave red flags in front of the boss and go what's your problem ? Where am ? I getting those barrels , like you did that , like what is going on here , no , no right , I'm playing both sides .

Um , I like the fact it's like . It's like the little kid he goes . This is scary . Too much , man , please calm down .

You know I don't like to see mom and dad fight okay , I'm sorry and I know and I'm gonna try , because coach is gonna kill me if we don't finish episodes more quickly . That feeling , that's a strong and powerful feeling .

I think I might have mentioned here before that not my current job , last job . We actually had offices where we were doing nonprofit programs in Mexico . Did I mention this ? I don't think so .

Somebody has their eye on the ball . Yeah yeah , it can be tough .

I'm scared that a number of that contingent has probably been like you know what I'm eligible for retirement , you know what else I could go work somewhere else , like I'm . I'm very scared that , yep , no , very good . People have been pushed out of positions where they get to make that call . But we shall see . But no , I'm with you , I with you .

And that should be a bonus episode that we talked about .

I could do that

Tina says you two got to chill this shit out . And what's with the menu change she's ? She's like jumping in every day Jeffrey ballet yes , every day . Tina is that kind of crazy , it's not .

That was a great line .

Every day . Jeffrey Ballet .

Yeah , you like that right , the Jeffrey Ballet those bitches control also .

I should say that .

Yeah , he's like we can do it . In order to do it , t you're going to be in charge of farmer's markets . Yes , I like it . Yes , carm , straight up this town . How is it banana town ? We have to remember a whole menu every day . What you can't learn a new menu every day ? I mean I think I could . Uh , this is what fact says .

It's crazy , uh-huh I'm not crazy .

Everyone going pointing at at coach that you guys don't see uh . Carmy says I'm not crazy and fax says I'm not saying you're crazy , bear uh . And then Richie .

But time out because I want to go back to Richie's line . But here's a sign you're unraveling when you find yourself needing to declare that you're not crazy and you have people reassuringly telling you no , no , no , we know you're not crazy . That's not a sentence you want to hear in reassuringly , telling you no , no , no , we know you're not crazy .

Yeah , fact is it's his best friend . I'm not crazy , I'm not saying you're crazy . Bear , and then Richie , with the most mean-spirited , as Nas said .

With a barber's preciseness , what does he say , Coach ? With a barber's preciseness is a line Nas says . I mean he just had that shit in my feed . Bing boom , that was ready to go .

What was the line , Coach ? What does Richie ?

say Ask Claire if he's crazy . I was like , oh shit .

Okay , that's where you got to go over the counter . If you're karma , that's where you go . Now , listen , I'm Team Richie . It's going to take a lot to get me off , team Richie , but that's where you go over the counter at Richie .

But this is what I mean though . The second . He says it look at his face he's like oh , too far .

He did .

He put his hand up . I forgot that he put his hand up . He's like you know what . You're right , that's a foul Foul's on me .

It was really . Yeah , that was a little low and Sidney goes what boss A little .

By the way , I feel you could do this scene because there's a lot going on here . But I love Sidney's tone here . There was some other times where I felt like her EQ and behavior kind of was off for me , but her clarity in this scene is fucking hilarious . Like she is super clear on what's wrong , why it's wrong , what needs to be done about it .

Here we go of the people in the room who would you say has like probably the least . Um , I don't want to frame it in the terms of like just iq or like intelligence , but like you had to be like who , who , who would ? Uh , actually I'm not even gonna frame it .

Like this one , everybody in the room is like , oh , fuck and yeah . And so it says Jesus .

Christ .

He says what , what what he says what , uh , what , what , where ?

and ted says um , he says I saw claire there , right , that's where right . And everybody stops . It stops the whole right and he goes , what ? Where everyone's like looking , and he says , uh , out of friends . Um , that's what ted says . Ted why ? Hey , ted , because it slipped , I was uncomfortable . Ted why ?

We were almost out of here and you fucking uncork a hand grenade in the middle of the room .

And even Richie was like my bad , like let's move past it .

No , now we're streaking to a halt to talk about how we suck labor . Yeah , no , it's a thing now and now they all attack Ted , you guys are yelling .

Hey , Ted , go , Go , Like you know . It's all good , it's all good , it's all good . He says . Carmy raises eyebrows . It's all good . Now it's him and Carmy .

Now Carmy is getting the update that he wants desperately he's praying that somehow Ted has secured his safety , that Ted has secured that , it's all good for him .

That's what he wants to know , he's desperate to have some closure , some understanding about where Claire's head is . And he's getting it from Ted Fack on a ladder above him in the kitchen at 8 21 and change in the morning and ted says oh , you know , yeah , it's good . Like you know , uh , how good , how could it possibly be good ?

We're good with her . Um . Cul-de-sac also cracked me up . I don't know why cul-de-sac , it's such a funny word choice for what he's doing .

Yeah , and carmy goes . Yeah and he goes , you know . But like you know you're you're not good with her charm , uh , okay .

I mean poor Ted . I mean Ted is just stating the obvious , but somehow it feels like now he's done it and it's like what did he do ? like , uh , you're the one fucking screaming like a lunatic about how she's not worth it , like how did this become my bad ? Like what the fuck is going on here ?

Karmie says okay . He says like like it's not right now , like it's , you know you're , you're dusted Like like you're a little like sweep , sweep his ass up .

He's dusted Like and I love Sydney . No , we got it , Sydney's like fuck Ted , come on man .

It like cindy's like fuck ted , come on man . Like it's okay . That's , I think we understand . It's like what that joke about . Hey , you know , I really want to sleep with that guy , if you know what I mean . Like yeah , we fucking know what you mean . You just said it's like yes , you just said it .

I believe my sister , ellen , listening to this podcast right now , said that thing exactly to me when I said something about Jude Law . I was like you know ? She's like , yeah , we always know we always do . Every time .

Sometimes before you say it , we know .

Yeah , we fucking know . Well , you tell Ellen , I met Jude Law and hung out with him a little bit and he put his arm around me .

Yeah , we fucking know . Well , you tell Ellen , I met Jude Law and hung out with him a little bit and he put his arm around me .

Oh yeah , is he handsome in person .

Very .

It seems like he would be , and he's got that , um , who's got this ?

I think it's like he's got that . Uh , he knows who he is , knows how people see him and he's like hyper aware of that and in and , and it manifests itself in my experience in the best way , where , uh , he's not a jerk about it at all .

It's not that I didn't care for him , just didn't care about him . And then I watched him pull a couple of knives from the back of his getup in Repo Men and just destroy a hallway full of people and it was for people who watch the TV show community . This was my Dean Pelton . I hope this doesn't awaken anything in the moment , and it did .

Oh , wow .

Did .

I I think I mentioned on the show the first time I ever heard the name Jude law was from Amanda P , which was . I was at a . I was working as a locations assistant for a merchant ivory production in New York city Did I mention how much I like New York city ? And for a Merchant Ivory production in New York City .

It's not .

So closer to the people . I guess it's very funny . It's very funny .

I'm backwards on my up and down . Sometimes it's like you're under the floor . G is what You're under the floor . G is what you're under the building .

Uh , no shit , he is enough .

I mean I said , got it , motherfucker yes , and this is why , even though I understand there's a lot of super heavy shit that happens on the show , this , this , along with the owner's dead he doesn't look dead . I'm the owner's brother .

I am the owner .

That's sort of back and , yes , fucking hysterical this shit is hysterical to me .

It's extra funny to me because when shit's uncomfortable why I like it , excuse me is that when shit's uncomfortable is when you get these kinds of jokes usually when I get annoyed with that kind of like witty repartee is when I'm just like okay , so you just sitting around in a coffee shop or your bedroom and just impressing yourself with how goddamn witty you

Yeah , no , it's going to land differently for different people . We definitely needed a moment of levity to cut , which was , like some , really intense . Like anger , I said I got a motherfucker . And Richie says I don't know what you said to Claire .

But it's not . But it's not your fucking business , I know .

It's really not is interrupted by a light falling out like a . It sort of looks like an halogen or like a .

I mean it certainly highlights your concern about doing that work over the food . It lands on the fucking food . So there you go , yeah .

Well , he gets his ups and downs wrong , sometimes he gets them mixed up , but it breaks . At least it's a physical beat that breaks up . That God damn it fuck . Everyone backs up . Sorry , I'm going to get this here . Ted says you good . Ted says that's on me , you good , everybody good . It's not broken , which is cool .

Yeah , no , when I tell you it shatters , maybe I'll do a story another time . We got to get this one done , but I once shattered a bulb .

And when I tell you a million pieces a million pieces and there's like dust and shit like fluorescent . What is it , boss ?

I was only going gonna say it's gross and dirty . It's not just glass , it's gross yeah , just get it .

Uh , get out of fucking here . Uh , uh , hope she wasn't . What'd you say to her , carm ? I don't remember . This is what tina says . What'd you say to her ? What doesn't he remember ? Says uncle jamie , come in and and uh , sydney mouth's what , boss , it's claire , claire , fuck you , richie , fuck you . Okay , bear is what sydney goes , claire .

I need a screwdriver , says uh um , ted , ted , right , yeah , well , this , but by the way , chef carmen is quite a polite fuck you .

There's something about calling him , chef carmen , right carmen started by calling him richard yeah , like that or maybe they're definitely doing that . They're playing that game . Yeah , I don't remember who said it first .

Oh , I don't know . Yeah , I don't know who did it first , but he , chef carmen , is definitely , like you know , a bit of an elbow who wore it better , richie .

Richie wore it better , right , boss ? Um , uh , why do you have to see shrugs ? I don't know . Why do you have to say it like that is now carmy says it to uh , uh , right over to um , uncle jimmy , and and he's got that look . This is the first look . First of all , this is the look he has when people question the menu , question the non-negotiables .

I think it is a similar look , but I would say it is when he feels like he is being persecuted . I don't think that this is he is going to be doing anything dangerous . I think that he feels trapped . This is the same look that he had in Fishes when Richie and Mikey were saying , oh , we did something great , we talked to Claire for you .

with me . Is that a similarity there ? Yeah right , definitely right , yeah , that there's , there's definitely a . I remember that too . Um , so good point he does . Right , there is a through line of all of these interactions . Are people calling something out or opposing him in some way ? But he definitely feels that persecution .

fella like I think , yeah , yeah , a very good friend of mine I'm sure I've shared it before said all my failed relationships have one thing in common Right , and you know . So there's a bit of that . But Carm experiences the world and I'm not saying he's wrong , but I am in terms of what we've seen of him .

Some form of persecution complex .

Yeah , I mean whether it's , I can't diagnose , but in a colloquial way , yes , I think he tends to think he is being fucked with Even the idea of it's all good with Claire . Even if Claire said it's all good , is it though ? Like what do you mean ? It's all good ?

Yeah , yeah , the passive voice , oh , yeah , yeah , it broke a lamp broke . Oh , it did .

Really .

It jumped out .

It's fucking fascinating . No idea how Anything else . So anyway , he tends to experience the world that way and express himself that way , and he's going to have to figure out why . I could give him my therapist's number . I don't know if he treats fictional characters , but we could find out .

Boss , did you have something ?

Yeah , only that I think Coach is right in his assessment that Carmi feels that way . I don't know that he is out of line for thinking that way .

um , I , I think it's , I think it's just polite , uh , to gloss over all his flaws in death and pretend that he was a perfect saint , the way we do sometimes . And yeah , I can't wait to go over that fish's episode because I did not see . Sometimes , when you talk about how you experienced Carmi's experience of that , I have a little bit of a different read .

pimp , I love it . I loved it . Another rant I'm going to skip , but I have a whole thing about pimps as heroes and idols in the United States of America . I want to hear that that's a good , it's a whole thing .

Let's make a note of it . Carm thought he was talking to me . Tina says that's a fact . Yes , good morning chefs .

He's cool . He does not get enough screen time .

He's fucking great man , man , people . I put to the point where we're talking about this in the message board and I was like I just don't get enough . Uh , sweeps . And um , uh sweeps is uh , gary woods , is the character's name played by cory hendricks . And um , I I mentioned in the message board of the blog .

boss . He was about to tell us what he said to Claire .

I'm not sure he was .

But okay , has anyone checked in on Marcus yet ? Yeah , I tried him . Carmi says . Sidney says has anyone checked in on Marcus yet ? Yeah , I tried him . Sidney says has anyone checked in on Marcus yet ? Wait , what happened with Claire ? Sweep said okay , maybe .

Sidney says classic behavioral dysregulation Okay , I think that line Okay , there were a couple things for me . It seems important to me in that that is a very specific phrase to have come out of Richie's mouth , so I was trying to figure out is it that Richie has done a bunch of therapy ? Did he do some sort of marriage counseling , whatever ? Where is this ?

Yeah , I mean , listen , it's not the Richie who went to the hardware store to buy more cock , is it ? It doesn't feel like that , richie . It feels like the post garrett richie , post forks episode richie , where he's like , okay , I , there are other ways to look at life and I'm gonna do some . I don't know if he's listening to podcasts , reading books .

What is that Like ? What am I supposed to be gaining ? That he's been exposed to , that's led him to do this ?

Well . So I agree that it is definitely podcasts or reading . I don't know when it would have happened , maybe when the divorce started , maybe before then , when he's trying to figure out what to do with his fucking life .

He is . Oh , he started . Yeah , that's Okay he 100% started this morning .

Did he start the fight that started this morning ? Yes , he started the fight this morning . He started it last night too , but we will get to that Whoa . But he is not Whoa . He isn't fixing himself , he is using therapy terms

I find it so much more fun to have other people fix themselves than do the hard work yourself .

You know , sure it's like really I mean that's also wildly ineffective , damn it . It turns out it's the only point . Now , what's pointing ?

out what's wrong with Coach . I'll just tell you that right now , all day . I'll do it all day long . Classic behavioral dysregulation . So Sydney says Richie , please , I can't believe Sydney has to like this many minutes into the episode . We are what ? What is the episode number ?

Richie please is great because they are behaving like children . So Richie Please is an extension of you're giving me a fucking headache , like she is . If you were to just take them out of this kitchen and just take this script . Don't tell anybody what it is . You took an adult woman , a 12 year old boy and a 10 year old boy .

And he can't .

His response is I see the patterns . We don't give a fuck about the patterns .

Yep Sweep says we're just trying to figure out what he said . How do you know ? Does everybody know ? This is what Karma says .

Group chat bro . I love too that he's not in the group chat . It's the other piece of information we just learned , which I thought was great , because , yeah , the boss doesn't need to be in the group chat .

That's right , you don't put the queen of hearts in the group chat . And what did you say ?

Gar Says all of the class . Why ? Because he's here . He's about the practicalities of life . He's not here for all this other bullshit . What'd you say ? What's going on ? Where's my fucking money ?

He's not here for a lot of bullshit we talked , boss made some great points about status and who said who can ask who and what . Who can demand of what ? When the owner of the restaurant says , what the fuck do you say right now ?

Also , it is now everybody's business . He screamed it in the restaurant . It's absolutely impacting this whole night . This changing menu , all of this is . I lost my shit and yelled at Claire and I thought my reaction on a practical level to all of this the non-negotiables and changing menu I was like why are you increasing the degree of difficulty ?

How does he respond here boss basically , um , I just said that I thought it was all a waste of time . Tina says because , and he says because I am who I am at this point . Natalie has joined .

Jimmy says yikes again , it's just the practicalities . He's like you're a man , she's a woman . You said a really fucking yikesy thing , son , like he's not emotionally drawn into all of it , he's just like , ugh , that's a fucking mess . Then what happened ?

Natalie comes in in the middle of that . It's like everybody wants to hear the answer . She might have been listening from outside , we don't know , but she comes in to hear . And why did you do that ? Because I am who I am .

Okay , and I am not going to be a carmy apologist he has a lot of fucking work to do and I understand where he is in that . But what he didn't say was I said basically it wasn't worth it because she's not hot enough or because she isn't smart enough , or ? she isn't good enough . That's fair . It's because I'm a fuck up and I hate that .

No , I get that , but you're right that he doesn't . He , he actually doesn't make that part about her . What he's missing in that is that it needs to be a bit more about her . Like it's almost like you in your kind of getting it , you're missing it . It's like it shouldn't be about me , correct ? Also , you're still making it about you . Like this is not .

Which is why it's hilarious to me that right after that , richie immediately says okay , let's get some work done . Yeah like , oh , okay , richie , so now let's make this about you . Okay , got it cool , or let's stop making this about carmine .

Like it's like , oh god that's fine too I'm so tired of bathing isn't this how it always happens ? We always protect car . Now everyone's got to hear all of carmy's little whatever , fuck this , let's get to work , let's just get to work . And meanwhile sugar comes in and she's watching this train wreck happen in slow motion .

Yeah , mikey was her brother too . She's . She's watched the fucking spin out , and she was there .

She was around when it was happening .

Right . So , uh , yeah , richie , let's get back to work . Uh , yikes , uh , after yikes , okay , who cares ? Let's , let's get some work done . Huh , I actually agree . Carmen says well , jay's , like , please , like , can we ? Can we actually go back to the thing that I feel stable and comfortable inside ?

yeah , and I'm , I'm , I'm just excited that that signals everyone returning to their adult stance and and and realizing that there's a business to run um boss . Would you like to uh share how that is exemplified in the next moment ?

Oh , he says well , actually I take it back , fuck you .

Well then , actually , I take it back . Fuck you , fuck you , fuck you .

Fuck you , fuck you . Okay , no , let's .

No , fuck you .

Right , and this is the thing Richie always says everybody needs to baby Karm . Everybody needs to take care of Karm Karm . Everybody needs to take care of Karm Karm . He didn't want to say shit Everybody made Karm and say shit . And then , as soon as Karm and said shit , it took things to a level where he was like I couldn't do this because I'm me .

I okay , I know there was a point in there . I would normally disagree with , but I'm just gonna you know what boss Fuck you boss . We'll get to it Fuck you and fuck whatever I mean people tell me to fuck off all the time .

People do not tell me I'm wrong .

very often that's great , they do a little thing . Again , more inserts of Sidney and Fack like wide-eyed , like Jesus .

Literally . Thing again more inserts of sydney .

In fact , like wide-eyed , like jesus fuck literally wide-eyed facts , I like has his eyes like wide , like you do , when like , oh shit , all all ritchie had was not responding to that . Well , actually I take it back . It is so childish . Um , does carmen deserve it ?

This is that's like hold on , okay , okay , okay , like that's . So you don't signal , like you wouldn't do that hand motion in a board meeting if some people disagreed on , like the third quarter project projections . That is the . It's my toy , no , it's mine , he wasn't even using it . Motion like when you're like everyone shut the fuck up , I don't even care .

I can see Boss getting really amped up in a meeting about the third quarter results somehow .

Don't make her say it again , absolutely not .

Compliance and auditing .

I don't my job . You are confusing me with the budgeting team . I don't care how much money we made , I just want to make sure it was applied correctly .

That is so hot that's so hot , oh my god , that kind of dirty talk . I don't know if it belongs on the air , but um , I don't know if it belongs on the air it's true , um , so we get . So . Even cicero , even uncle jimmy , shut up and and fuck you , fuck you , let's move

I think matters here . I'm not going to stop us on it , but let's move on . It's not a solution , go ahead . No , no . Why is it not a solution ? Because whatever they are doing here exists . It existed before last night . It came to the surface last night . It exists this morning here .

No , it's not a long-term solution but it's time to make the donuts . To quote a Duncan Donuts ad from I don't know 30 years ago it's time to make the donuts . People got to get shit done , is it really ? Yeah , it's terrible . So , uh , she says all these people , uh , quit . Who the fuck are Joey and Amy ? Says Carmi , uh , with a finger on the pulse .

Yeah , why , says Car , they didn't want to work in a dysfunctional kitchen , says Sidney I okay , so one . That's a very specific response . Sidney knows the answer . I almost feel like Sidney knew the answer without the exit interview . Uh , you know what I mean . Uh , but beyond that , I love that Carm and Richie both say show me a functional one .

Yeah , in unison , yes Right .

In Dolby At the same time .

Ted says turn it up . And we see all this stuff that's from me . We hear the doorbell ring . What is it now ? This is it Nanya ? This is such a dad joke . My God Nanya Right , oh , my God Nanya Right . Nanya , what's Nanya ? Adding to the childishness of this ? Yeah , what's Nanya , jesus Christ , what is it boss ?

Nanya fucking business . Is that the first time you guys have heard that ? No , no , I've heard it many times .

That's why I'm saying it's like talk about getting to the little kid of it all , like what is happening in this room . That's such a bad kid of it all like what is happening in this room .

Um , but yeah , that's old school , I hate it . I hate it because none of it doesn't sound like something . I've always hated that joke . It's like it's like it's like a whole . There's a whole like uh sort of uh nation of jokes around the like oh , you've got a what for on your shoulder , or you've got like there's all these like what's a what for ?

That's why you need to know what I mean . That's like it smells like Up Dog in here .

What ? Oh nothing . What's up with you ? There you go what a .

You know what I think should be . One of our special uh buttercup episodes should be uh boss and I sharing slash , reading jokes from our own childhood or that buttercups have submitted and and just having coach have to sit there and experience it . Listen , I have that would be that might break the internet . I can't .

I hate it . Listen , everyone knows how I feel about books . I talk about the written word . I talk about how much I love books . I find solace and comfort in books . They're my favorite thing . Only time I've ever done anything bad to a book was one time my kids gave me a dad joke book while we were driving .

At the same time I mean , they're the moms . They're the two moms so far in this scene , right ?

It's unbelievable . Sweep says I'm going to wine school at the Quartermaster , can I come too ? Fac says so , natalie , I really do love Neil Fack and I love everything about him . And he says can I come too ? Like it's , like he's such a like , oh and ? And what does sugar say here , boss ?

you don't like mine . Sweetie reminiscent of you , weren't talking Connie ?

yeah , right , exactly , yes , yes , yes , it's very belittling right . Yeah , I have Reminiscent of you weren't talking Connie . Yeah right , yes , yes , yes , it's very belittling Right .

Yeah , I have that tone sometimes when I tell people what to like and not what to not .

That's funny . I do my best to belittle and mock . But they say aren't you allergic to grapes ? I didn't know that . I was like , oh , why won't they let him ? Obviously great . I didn't know that . I was like , oh , why won't they let him ? Uh , obviously , he's like , obviously . So how are you going to taste the wine ?

He just wants to learn he just wants to know more he wants to be more involved .

that stuff . I love him so much . Uh , richie says oh shit , gary , that reminds me richard betts guide to wine arrived to you . Oh , I appreciate it . Wait , wait minute . Is this a scratch and sniff book , bro ? He says bite your tongue . Bette's is a fucking G , which I go . Okay , he's been doing a little research .

Karmie says what here , coach , what is this ? Oh , what is this ? As he walks through with the box and he says basically none of your business .

yeah , sugar asks right .

And then , yeah , nobody , he's not gonna answer . And by the way , the minute we decided that , um , cicero was going to be the investor , uh , by we I just mean the creators , the life in the world um , I was like , oh , so we're gonna launder money through a fine restaurant , is that the plan ? So , that was my immediate .

Okay . So after that , yeah , we don't know . I don't know whether or not boss you and I on the last episode thought he probably was not money laundering through here , but I maybe can't teach an old dog new tricks . I don't know . We will find out .

He is still going to use it as any sort of separate shipping address so that his wife doesn't find out whatever is going on . I'm not saying it's an affair . I'm saying this is something he doesn't want people to know about because he says this isn't for here .

to Natalie Great , okay , good , that's a good point , good , catch on that . Sugar says okay , we also have to resolve the tipping issue , carm , and what's the tipping issue ? And so this is . I think there's a lot more of this these days . So while we're , it's so funny because we stay on FAC a little bit , ted FAC , there's some funny angles of him working .

Thank you , Too low , Too low , Carmi . You can increase that price Like the average tasting menus in Chicago . The good ones are like $325 . You could go much higher , oh okay , oh wow . Yeah .

Richie is shaking his head . Sydney says don't Carm's like what ? What Carm's like ? You can say it .

You can say it can say it , say it , say it say it .

And then finally he's uh , everybody's don't say it , say it , so don't say it , say it . He says I think actually it's a good price . And carm says good , and he says so carry on still , fuck you , fuck you . No , fuck you , fuck you , fuck . Because they will not stop it , they will not let it drop .

And then Sugar gets a ding on her phone . And what does she say , boss .

Fucking Francie Thack just made a resi Bullshit and then Neil's so sweet Like with the halo behind him . She really wanted to come in ? Yes , and Shook says , oh , did she ? She really wanted to come in ? Yes , and shook . Shook says oh , did she ? Did she want to come in ? She's not going to . I need to .

I don't know if there's ever been a more anticipated build up for a future cameo than Francie Fack oh , there's no question .

We have to see Francie , fack and Nat in the same space , right ? You just made me a promise , right ?

Yeah , I know that's a tacit agreement . Actually , chef Sidney , would you please let Chef Carmen know ? Says Richie . My additional thought about tipping is in general , it's a pretty fucked up practice . Sidney says what boss ?

I can definitely relay your message .

But I personally am curious why . Why is it fucked up ? And he says here coach , what does Richie say about this ?

You judge a professional based on their performance and determine how much money they're going to make . That's fucking stupid . It's true , I go see a play . The actors are bullshit . I don't pay them , I'm sorry . Do you go to a lot of theater , richard ?

That's from Carmi Again super helpful , which is a bullshit thing , carm , that's not the point , you know that's not the fucking point . It's irrelevant . It's absolutely not the fucking point . He's such a little bitch .

So what ? So ? If he hasn't been to see fucking Merchant of Venice recently , he can't make this point Like what the fuck Anyway . So that's all going on and then gong . The scene stops cold because in walks Marcus .

And Marcus is coming off of what boss . His mom died .

He was at the restaurant . He missed the call . The hospital was calling him . His mom died . He missed the call . The hospital was calling him . His mom died and he was there .

That's when it happens . Great point my mom died , my died mom . So about it . And and then , when he wasn't in copenhagen , that's what it happens . Great point my died , uh , my , my mom died , my died mom , uh . So there you go , but my mom died when I was in a meeting at uh sony

Actually , I was driving back from the meeting and my sister called me .

I was in a meeting at sony , oh god , yeah , and we didn't even get the fucking gig . I was like you fucking people are the worst . I'm fucking right .

I read about somebody firebombing . Sony once in a while . Coach goes back . I need to kick a door down somewhere . Yeah , no , that's a coach . I know you said that casually , but that like a I can't , I can't take that that's a big big yeah , no , it's almost 20 years ago and I could .

I , if I drove right now , I could show you where I pulled over , because my sister was like , are you driving ? And I was like , yeah , pull over . Okay , there's a whole conversation . I never got that .

I never had the honor of meeting your mom and it's one of my great bosses and I would have loved to have given her the option of seeing right through me and telling you why you shouldn't have been my friend . Based on everything I know about her , but she sounds absolutely fucking amazing . I'm so sorry for your loss all those years ago .

No , no , I know , I know I should have probably said it a little differently .

Jesus killed me to hear you say that . No , no , I , I know , I know I should probably have said a little differently , but no , you didn't do anything wrong . It just that that's a big , that's a big um . Uh , I feel how marcus's eyes look , which are always uh , sort of sort of lost , with a preternatural sadness .

Right , it's real , real credit to the show um , I I wonder , and I don't you know I this really came to me in this moment , as you just described , that he's got on like a varsity jacket kind of a letterman jacket , yeah , and I do think there's something potentially there , like now I'm going to be looking for it , so we'll see , like whatever .

I mean , I don't know if we know anybody's ages for certain other than Mikey's . That one I do know , but he does seem on the younger side , so this could be his high school letter of challenge . Yeah , no , you're right . He might be that age , I don't know . But yeah , that's a really good point .

Okay . So he stands there for a second , we all kind of hold on him . There's a tight shot . Then we have a bunch of reaction shots of everybody looking over at him sydney , richie , fac , uh carmy . Everyone just stares . I'm silent . And and what does he say here ? Uh coach ?

nobody has to say anything . I just want to work , just want to be here with y'all and not think about it for a second Cool .

And we come out to a wide shot . We see everybody looking .

Yeah , the whole thing , including and I think it's gorgeous Nat with her hand on her pregnant belly . I'm just like oh , you know nice touch , guys .

She's real Like . She's real like she's pregnant .

I mean I mean like it's like on the , it's on the .

Her belly is on the counter yeah , yeah , it's like sitting way out in front of her like some , some women carry and it's like , like , like it's so far out in front , you're like , oh , that definitely will throw off the balance of your body , like it's so far . You know , it looks , looks like wow , like an addition .

And Carm says what here , boss .

Yeah , I will set the menu . Yep , gary , neil , we'll do a walkthrough . Richie says and you can pass it along to Richard . Oh , this is Sugar . You can pass it along to Richard . And , yeah , I also have the menu . And so now we're starting to get .

So he's taken off the Letterman jacket , standing and waiting to see what happens . Carmen comes over and he says look , look , I know the list probably looks crazy because with all people he wants to make sure that marcus can handle it . Marcus says not to me because of all the people he needs to worry about marcus , isn't it ?

right and marcus is like , in the same way that carmi is like looking for the insulation of like really , really intense labor to take his mind off of all the other shit , marcus is weirdly in a similar situation . I would think like , on some level , we can , we can . Let's talk about why we think the similarity is there .

take boss not an alternate take , necessarily , but just the difference between how they handle that . Um , I have had to force myself over the past however many years , um , to become okay with not being okay , but let's say that it peaked in the beginning of pandemic where I'm like oh , I'm gonna fucking cry every day over something .

Well , yes , so everything you just said , I think you're spot on .

I , I get it yeah , no , it's different people deal with it differently . When marcus walks in and he announces like his intention , it felt like he had like thought about it a little bit and it felt like moderately helpful like hey , man here's what I'd like and everyone's like good . We honor that .

It didn't feel like how it feels yes uh , so , great , great point and yeah great point coach well , because what he says in his alan on speech is I pushed everything out , I made everything quieter in that time . I lost my brother and he died , like he knows .

um so carmy says uh , keep going here , coach , you were on this . Uh , he says not to me doing it in a good way , great points . Carmi says keep going here , coach , you were on this . He says not to me .

You said you don't want to talk about it , and I get that . I just wanted you to know that some of us here we probably know how you're feeling . He says I know it's a weird couple days . And he says I know it's a weird couple days . And Carm says yeah , just maybe you know , instead of not dealing with it , try to . Is that what you did ?

and then , with like one little laugh , like self-referential laugh , I'm like god , I love this guy and and it's like , oh god , damn it . Every time I think I'm out , they pull me back in . So Karmie says I'm just , you know , I'm here , you know , and makes eye contact If you need anything , I'm here .

No , no , no , no , no , no . It is that when I first heard that line , he said Marcus says is that what you did with it ? And he says no , no , like he laughs . And then he said I'm just here .

I was like oh , oh , but yeah , no , I mean there's some room there for something to mean more than one . Yeah , that's interesting . It wasn't what I heard , but I get it and it's true . I mean it's frightening how far out you can be when this kind of thing hits you .

Listen , that's where we have a little .

Whether he deserves one or not . Sorry , go ahead .

No , no , no , that's . I was about to make a terrible joke about the Grim Reaper coming for you at night and like slowly walking in . Yeah , and then me stepping out of the closet with a bat and be like you got a problem , we got a problem . I know you're not looking at him . He's sleeping . I know I don't like it . I don't like it , coach .

He says I was here when she died . And Carm says I know that and I feel terrible . No , I mean it as a good thing . I think that's how it was supposed to be . How do you mean ? Conrad was legit confused and he said I don't know , she wanted me to be with y'all . This is what's up now .

Sorry , go ahead , boss , no I can't believe

right now , boss , are you crying A little bit ?

As much as I well , not as much as I cry , like I mean one time I got to touch matt , burning her , and so then I had to cry a lot , that but um , it is .

Oh okay I mean no , I make myself cry yeah no , no , it's , it's beautiful and and I do think there's something really deep about the idea when my mother got sick , a friend of mine said to me because I went to visit and whatnot , and a friend of mine said to me she's getting you ready . And I was like oof .

I thought that was a reaction to people being hit by mike tyson once , apparently that dude was ready to go . I do not want that again . Where is the exit door ?

for this scenario , um , but I think now Marcus , it seems to me Marcus is saying if this just collapses , if this turns out not to be important , if this turns out not to be beautiful , then it is fucked up that I wasn't there . By making this place great , you make that moment okay and you vindicate how my mother felt about this .

I know I'm like oh no , I've got to protect . Don't be your boss , I'm trying to mic . Let's hear it , boss .

Let's hear you being a mic god we didn't get this at all through ted lasso .

It's amazing yeah no , yeah , no this is not

well , I think one of the most a thing that I love so much about this is that death is always sad , except a couple of uh , former presidents maybe . That I would be happy about . But when a loved one , when a care someone you care for , dies , it is always sad .

And I like that . They show us both . That is the thing I've talked about it . When my father passed away , there was nothing left unsaid . There is not a single iota that we did not say to each other that we knew exactly where we stood . I never felt like , oh , I wish I had told him this . No , we were totally good and it still sucks .

it still sucks on a daily basis that he's not around . Um , yeah , it sucks , yeah , so crazy . Yeah , yeah , I , I .

That is a beautiful point to end on . This is a marked . The bear has given us many , many different emotions . I don't know if we get that rousing call to arms in the way that we get in this one moment .

Oh yeah .

It's a very , very notable scene in that way and we'll pick up on that and discuss it more . We'll be back next time with Season 3 , episode 3 . The episode is entitled Doors . Thanks for joining us for Season 3 , episode three . The episode is entitled Doors . Thanks for joining us for season three , episode two .

You can find me in your organization when you go to your boss and say you know , there's this guy , those tones , things . On occasion . We could probably convince them not to do too much cussing , and I could come in and talk about alignment . I could come in and talk about team building .

I love it . All he does is help . Doesn't sing nearly enough for my liking .

Boss , what about you ? You can find me on threads Occasionally talking about New York . I'm trying to be nicer about it . One of my besties insists I need to go with her and she will make me love it . We'll see . But on threads you can see me writing all that bullshit at emilychambers.31 .

Is blue sky , just not . I haven't been on there in a while .

It's not popping at all . Yeah , it's not a lot , I tried , I've been trying threads . So I tried blue sky Cause I wanted to get away from meta and Facebook and Zuckerberg but , blue skies not sorry , man . That sucks , I know , I don't know Also you'll find me lurking a lot on Reddit and posting on the national website .

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And until next time we are .

Richmond , richmond .

Till we Fuck that shit man .

Fuck it , I'm upside down on ladder . You're dusted , bro . Okay , okay , thank you . We really get you , you're under in the basement .

Everybody in this cold is back .

Everybody here is good . You're not really .

Yes , part of that fucking suburb did you grow up in ?

ted back that you're talking about cul-de-sacs , you fucking asshole . I love . It all right , we'll see you next time .