The Bear | S3 E1 Part2 "Tomorrow"

Usually we would introduce our boss , emily Chambers , but we are bossless today and that means just a complete sausage fest on the podcast today , coach , I haven't heard that phrase in a very long time . There's no smart people to regulate us , coach , no insightful looks into the world of women , just two dingbats just bro-ing it up .

Coach and I are going to blast through it with alacrity and focus , as we always do , and obviously I'm very tongue in cheek . And if you're just joining us , thank you . Thanks for being part of this . What we'd like to do is look at shows and pull them apart and see what makes them work . We try to pick great shows .

Sometimes that works , sometimes it doesn't . In the case of the bear , I would argue that the first two seasons are masterpieces . I would argue that the first two seasons are masterpieces and , having finished the third season , I just want to be transparent that I am struggling a little bit with how the third season sort of played out .

That doesn't mean the Bear isn't one of the best shows on television . Doesn't mean , like everybody behind it is um , uh , isn't super talented , but it does , uh .

There are ramifications to that in you know when , when a show , how it goes a certain direction at least we can , you know , discuss it from a point of curiosity , not judgment , and say , uh , you know what , I wonder why they , they chose this direction .

So , with that as a caveat for any interactions between myself and Coach , for those of you who have been around with us for a long time , you may remember Coach was a diehard Ted Lasso like absolute , like fan , and Boss started out that way .

Boss would agree that ted lasso season one was , was , uh , you know , masterful , and then less so as the as the series went on , um , and I was , uh , somewhere in the middle but closer to coach . Generally I thought the , uh , the show was remarkable and it did lose , lost a little steam .

But listen , the first season took eight years to write and was nearly flawless . And then after that , you know , you get into production timelines and things . You got to make the best of of difficult situations and I think they did a great job doing that . With the bear coming into season three , the tremendous amount of hype , absolutely tremendous .

I thought they did the rare feat of season two improving on season one , which you just don't get . You get so many sophomore slumps . But season two I thought was remarkable . And coming into three , there's so much . There's so much hype that it was . I think it's nearly impossible for the show to meet everyone's expectations . Let's say so .

You look at what they've chosen and then we'll take it from that point of view .

But I find myself in the strange position of being the boss , being the Emily chambers for this show , where it seems like boss and coach have enjoyed season three more than I have , um , and , and I'd like to , I'd like to peel it apart and see see why that is so coach yeah , yeah , it's interesting and , and obviously , as we go , we'll talk about um more

specific points .

You use the word expectations several times , and I know that Boss , with Ted Lasso , had expressed having some expectations of the show . Where the show was going , what was sort of the point of us being there ? And I think in both cases my basic stance was more like hmm , you guys are doing something creative and interesting .

All right , shelby and I and I didn't have as much , and I'm thinking specifically , and it doesn't mean that there weren't moments , you know what I mean .

Uh , going back to ted lasso for a moment , um , I hated , hated , hated , and I've seen people talk about how much they loved , hated , uh , rebecca bumping in to , uh , the airplane man , I just , oh , my god , I I hated it , right ? so like I'm not saying that , like , oh , every choice was perfect and these shows are perfect .

But I do wonder if that level of expectation I remember we were discussing season two of ted lasso . You specifically said this shows every choice was perfect and these shows are perfect . But I do wonder if that level of expectation I remember we were discussing season two of Ted Lasso . You specifically said this show is about soccer . Where's the soccer ?

Yeah , and I was like it's about soccer . But is it about soccer ? I mean , it's , it's about soccer .

Like Dunder Mifflin's about paper on some level not totally it's extreme , but you know kind of and so I think , yeah , it doesn't make the expectation out of line , but I think it might make it easier to just go with the flow , like that thing we said they tell the little kids these days or they've told them since we were little kids it was 100 years you

get what you get and you don't get upset . I guess I've got a little bit of get what you get and you don't get upset . To my series viewing . I don't know that I was even aware of or if it would be blanket , or just that these particular shows spoke to me .

I will say in both cases I see in certain characters where they are going through a version of stuff that's going on in my life . So maybe that's also allowing me to be more . Yeah , I have some of these questions too . Let me see your answer . So maybe that's opening it up .

I'm not sure what the cause of it is , but the word expectation stands out to me you know how much I hate that phrase , right , you know we've talked about .

But I'm saying I think that's for you , that's not an answer for you , like that's no , the opposite of an answer and so I think sometimes , where I am like generally I'm not a get what you get person , but I think in this , in , in this instance , I'm , I'm , it seems I'm more likely to go all right , your show , let's see where you want to go .

What's up ?

And if you're about the destination , which I often am , does the destination match the route that you would have driven ? And with Ted Lasso it did not , at least in season two , and so that was frustrating for me as a viewer . But that's not what it's about . It's not about appeasing 1% of the viewing population who thinks you should do things a certain way .

So , with with regard to Ted Lasso sorry , with regard to the bear , specifically , if you're choosing to be goal , sorry , process oriented , like you , if you're saying I am going to enjoy wherever you take me , I'm happy to be in this world . It's nice to be back . I remember all these friendly faces . I'm happy to be in this world . It's nice to be back .

I remember all these friendly faces . I'm happy to sort of just be back , you know , in the restaurant , in a place that I have such fond memories of In my experience reading , you know , various reviews and people online and getting a sampling of my friends . That's the healthiest way to view season three . If you unplug and you go , yeah , this is I'm .

I'm cool , I have nothing to do um , I'll just I'll just just show me what you're going to show me . Yeah , um , and with me , I think at least part of it is , uh , it , it felt like a shell . It feels a little bit like a shell game in that you showed me one thing in season one .

You made it better in season two , but the same thing in season three feels like a real departure , where it's very different than the first two .

And I'm trying to think like another show , where you just have a baseline of one tune you know for for , for , uh , listen , some people have uh misophonia , so repetitive sounds can can sort of great . Um , there's a funny thing that happens in my family where , uh , there's a famous website called leak spin L , E , E , K , S , P I N .

Are you familiar with that , coach ? I'm not .

So hold on a second , I'm just bringing it up right here so people know what the hell I'm talking about . Coach , you see this in our screen . Yep , yep .

So , with regard to the bear , if you have this background music , you go sometimes it's like , hey , that's if you're a person that , where it's like this sort of aligns with my brain pattern as I'm doing this , that's great . If it doesn't , there is a . It gave me a sense of and this is funny because you're the one with the overt sort of .

We've talked so much about your anxiety , but for me I'm like okay , when are we going to get a scene ? Like , if the music still goes , then I'm in a montage this whole time and then I have this anticipatory anxiety going . Okay , like so the show's not started yet , Like this .

So , for my experience , my understanding of the story was advancing . So I didn't begrudge them that there's some specifics that we can talk about when we get to them . But there were some elements of relationship and how we got to this point that I thought did inform what we'd already seen and and I assume , will inform what's to come .

But I I felt like there were moments I was like , oh wow , you know , like okay , okay , now I get this now . Oh wow , I didn't realize their relationship ran that deep . Oh wow , okay , yeah . So there were a few moments where I found myself going okay , got it , good to know , okay .

Now I was like I think it like really lent itself to like team Richie and I was like what's next for Richie ? I just really had that . It was like okay , can we get to the part where Richie , whatever ?

And as it became apparent that it's a different type of growth , so I was looking for forward momentum and what you're talking about is a sense of filling in . It's like spackling things that had been alluded to or intimated , but then you get to see them .

So it goes back and it fills in these blanks where there was gray area or doubt and in a way I can see that's also . I don't think it's moving the plot forward , but it's definitely giving you more insight into certain things . I would say , but again I felt like , oh , I know this , I know this , I already checked this box , let's move on .

But I guess this is like I'm going below the surface , you're taking me below the surface here . Like , really understand a whole other element of all this , like what is , what is this resting on ? And I was like , oh , that's interesting , I like , I like knowing that , I like , I like insight into that .

make the show . Sometimes , uh , it lands perfectly and sometimes , um , you know , there are questions and again , yeah , I'm not faulting the creators or anything like that . I'm saying , yeah , the trajectory and in the direction , um , so we'll share .

Yeah , just to run it down like , oh , fuck , this I'm not in , I'm not interested in those people , but but I do like intelligent sort of uh points and uh , I think .

One caveat to even the people that don't uh , it wasn't their favorite season , I think people will concede that the cinematography is , uh , it's very good and also highlighted a bit more because it takes its time a bit more , which is a structural choice that I firmly disagreed with .

But it , if you , if you come into this , one of the one of the biggest , one of the biggest sort of compliments I gave this show , that that landed with both you and bosses that it doesn't , it doesn't play down to the audience , it absolutely it demands a lot from the viewer and we also talked about and I think that is very , very true for seasons one and

two in a way where not only are you expected to keep up with what's a frenetic pace , but you're meant to stay plugged in and understand what you're seeing , so that they don't have to go over it , they don't have to spell out all these things for you .

I think a little bit in season three it's their version , at least to my eyes , of taking a breath in the middle of a .

You know she has to , she has to hear it and then process it . Yeah , and you and like you can hear the gears turning and then she has a reaction which is like adorable , um , and it's again , it's not an intelligence thing , it's a . It's literally how her brain functions .

Um and so sometimes in the middle of like a sort of heated exchange not heated or like something where there's a lot of things going on at once , a lot of like stimulation in a room , I will see her like just taking a step back and processing , and this season felt like that to me , and so a lot of people that that's , that's refreshing , that's like you

know , that's beautiful . No wonder Daphne said because then you do get to notice the . How are you supposed to notice the cinematography , which , by the way , was exceptional in one ?

By design I got the quality of it and I was like , wow , you know , but it was a lot . And so it's funny because your description of like take a breath , I was huh , not what I thought . But then when you described it , I was like kind of what I experienced . And then I thought , well , yeah , because now we're digging in .

There's the brand of focus that allows you and I've thought about this in terms of sports coaching there's a brand of focus that allows you to take in just an immense amount of information in a given moment what's the score ? How many timeouts ? Who should be tired ? I need to get so and so out . This person , right , yeah .

And then there's another brand of focus where maybe it's as a player or whatever , where you have one thing you're doing that's what you're doing , right , and you're on that and that's your job feels closer to that experience , where it's like we're gonna now . We're like we've watched you know , car me in particular .

For me , so far , we've watched him kind of come in here . We have a sense of some things that are going on with him . There was this huge night and event and and the , the , the pressure of it obviously got him and to me , if we're going to get him and where he's going , then these aren't just events , like we're seeing the makeup of this guy .

It does feel in rules , not rules , but conversations I've been in different ideas are different things , right . So an idea , just because an idea makes a great poem doesn't mean it'll make a great movie , doesn't mean it'll make a great song . And this season does feel a little more novel-y , which is a word but I hope would be easy to understand .

Yeah , no , I could see that yeah , I think this feels a little more novel-y , whereas the first two seasons energy-wise , editing-wise , I feel like pushed the bounds . It's funny that you talked about the music video quality here , because in sort of what once was meant by music video , you know , cut , cut , cut , cut , you know whatever .

Actually , I would say the first two seasons were that where it was like , okay , uh , all right , I got it like seriously taking advantage of montage , having me fill in all sorts of meaning , okay , I'm with you . Um , and this felt , yeah , this felt to me like yeah .

So I guess we whether we see it as negative or positive or just a change I think we did actually have the same experience .

Yeah yeah , listen , you might be right that that and then that that speaks to the quality of the filmmaking because , um , you know , if we're actually having the experience , then it comes down to how we're interpreting that experience and whether or not it's effective for each and every one of us .

All right , so , coach , where we left off , we were in Ever with Chef Terry , and take it away and walk us through what's happening here in this scene .

And then we get chefs quiet and I think that's really significant given some of the things that are said about how a kitchen is and it gets that way . Every kitchen apparently doesn't get that way , just to be great .

Anyway , we cut to karm and I mean we talk about the first kitchen we saw in this show and right now karm is cleaning out with like a one of those little tiny sticks that's pointed where you can get in the grooves and is just cleaning every crevice of there the oven was , I assume all appliances and we just start going through .

Uh yeah , montage of watching the level of detail that was a part of it , so like whether it's they're dealing with herbs here . They're dealing , dealing . They look like was that Jasmine ?

Anyway , whatever that was , I mean they're just each thing how they're moving , just a pea on a plate , whatever it is Like they just have that one job and you get the sense that they've been , they're being trained to be absolute experts at literally each step of creating any of these dishes yeah , and we bounce around from we're at ever in chicago and then then

we move to the french laundry um and uh .

Now we get to , after he's pulled herbs off , little sort of stalks or little branches , I'm not sure what they're called . We see Carmi notice another chef looking , I would just wistfully at something I'm not really sure .

All right , I'm going to call a quick timeout because my brain isn't giving me who that guy is .

Until you just asked me , I was like , if I need to know more about that , motherfucker , I guess they'll tell me like I really was , just like I , like you , was in some different place with some different people , got it . You know , I recognize a couple of them , but yeah , I wasn't .

So it's interesting , I think you know , as we think about the different experience we each had . I really , until you just said who is who , and I was like , hmm , do we see that ? Guy again . Do I learn anything on it ? you know um . So yeah , anyway , it stands out to me this .

Um , if you've had the experience in a classroom where the teacher or the professor is teaching and you go like something clicks , it just clicked , like right away they go , okay , uh , one plus one is two . You go I , I fucking got it , like , done and dusted , I got it , let's go , let's move on , I'm ready for the next thing .

And then they spend the next half an hour making sure everybody , everybody gets it , or you know what I mean or reframing it or whatever . I . I sometimes have that type of experience , not that I'm ahead of the game , but like , I feel like I've checked things off Right and it's again .

It's not a competition thing , because from a teaching standpoint , you have to make sure everybody is on the same page . But sometimes with this episode , I go , yeah , no , I'm with you on that , like and and if you're going to intro a character , then at least add some dialogue to give me a clue as to who it is . I forget whose concept this is .

We should really look this up . Two plus two , but never four . Have you ever heard this Coach ?

You want to give your audience the equation , to keep them invested , but you don't ever give them the solution . So you say like , oh , we got a spy mission . We show the satellite . So we're like oh , we have satellite , intel Got it . You show the on-screen cams like . You show like , okay , we're in the in the room .

We know that we have a camera on this door . So you're like hey , got a camera on the door . But then you don't show the final thing so that the , the people you could show that , the , the perpetrator walking to the door right . And then you're like oh , I know we have surveillance .

And then , because you want the audience to do the addition in their head and then feel good about coming up with the solution on their own , and that's how you sort of keep their interest .

So there are elements of this where I had that thing , where I was like oh , okay either give me the equation Like okay , now I know there's another chef who was featured prominently in the shot , so the cinematography tells me I need to know who this is , because he was featured . Carmi shared an important nod with him .

I think it's important , it seemed like that , otherwise why include it ? But I don't know who he is . So then I have this thing like wait's that , so anyway , um , so keep walking , go ahead , we're gonna .

So we've gone from him observing somebody with pictures to him creating pictures that became his book . To now someone is taking the pictures from his book as their inspiration as they start their journey . So they , oh , okay , that's , that's the fucking history of the pictures thing , got it the okay .

Again there's a hand in the cement which I thought was interesting and sort of gave a sort of a sense that this place has been here a long time and it's the kind of place where it's kind of like home . It seems like it's almost like culinary hogwarts .

Um , yeah , in the sense of like anyone who'd been here , also because we see some of these faces you know in a later part of his life that we know about . Um , there is a sense that like it's a thing you were a part of and if you were there then that's if you were there Well , coach .

Uh , it was one of juliana's friends birthdays and her uh , her uh husband had us . He paid for the four of us to go to this tasting menu , which , oh , wow , um , I was like wow , I had never . They just bring you stuff , there's a , there's a set fee , and they bring you stuff and you try it .

Um , everything was like out of this world , right , and so I was like you know , but for me , like having to have a family of four children , so family of six , and I do 95 of the cooking , oh wow . So anytime anyone cooks for me , I'm like sweet , like it's delicious you cook me a pb and j . I am good like thank you thank you , thank you .

Um , there , there's this , there is a um , uh , that sort of um , uh , there's okay . So I like , uh , when you have like they did this

quick . So something I like in the midst of this , whatever we're seeing with Kami's montage like backstory montage . I like , midst of this , whatever we're seeing with carmy's montage like backstory montage .

I like seeing all the shots of everything and they do them fairly quickly , to the point where , even as you're narrating it , yeah , you had to like keep up to the , which , which I was like , okay , that's more reminiscent of what I think of the show as , but what it's doing is saying , you know , it's a , it's a , it's a commentary .

It's like , hey , we got to be good at chickens , we got to be good at fucking bees , we got to be good at you know like every little thing and like none of these things can have dirt on them and none of them can have peels , and so there was this . Uh , once upon a time , you cannot find it , because I have looked a hundred times .

Maybe I have to go back to the wayback machine and see if I can find it . Um , which is I don't know . If you know the wayback machine , there's this internet archive but yeah , that like it takes , uh , snapshots of a lot of different things from the past and you can look up things from the past , um , uh , on the internet , just internet , uh .

But there was an of all things . It was the craziest person now especially how this is going to come out but there was an aaron rogers commercial and it was for .

It was for a bank , um , and it was just a commercial about him talking about what he does as he walks to the line and it makes me so mad that you can't find this , because he used to say , okay , you break the huddle , you walk the line . He goes first thing I do . Where's this guy ?

Pre-snap reads move my alignment , the things he had to do in about two seconds . It was stunning , it was stunning , it was stunning . And so you're like , oh , that's the job . And there was a recent thing . A lot of people hate Tom Brady . I say it's never worth it because he's just this kind of a doofy kid that's amazing at football .

He's not worth your malice , but he went on this .

It was all about , like it's , just understanding what the defense is showing you and then executing the play as called , or changing out of it Because , like , you just have to know every single piece of what they're doing and every single piece of what you're doing , which only comes from study and work and right and experience , um , to get to sort of see if

that play can work in this situation . Um , and it's , and it is sort of remarkable what a professional quarterback can keep in their mind . And so , when you the reason I bring that up is because it's remarkable what a chef has to keep yeah , like someone who , where that's you know , the burden of knowing everything about every food .

And and that's not even getting into the chemical reactions and the temperature thing Sometimes , if you've ever made like a bechamel sauce , you like to heat it up , slow it down , heat it back up in order to make the thing , and I'm like shout out to what is happening . I have adhd .

I it's funny that that , um , that level of of awareness and precision , like it's earned , and then I think part of genius and this is what I thought like I'm curious to see how this part unfolds Part of genius is being able , in my opinion , is being able to know and understand all that and then be able to express it in ways that people who haven't spent

all these years and all this time and been on this campus eating fine cuisine for lunch break because we cooked it

in the morning , we might as well eat it . How far is that from like sogging or whatever ? You know ? Fine cuisine for lunch break , cause we cooked it in the morning , we might as well eat it . Um , you know how far is that from like sodging or whatever ? So , anyway , I think there's a . There's a .

Can he get to where he could tell Ebro effectively what he needs to know from all this experience and just distill it down to where he could do it ? Right , you see what I'm saying then it's coming , then it becomes communication , right ?

So , yeah , he took my then 11-year-old back to the kitchen , who had an interest in being a cook or being a chef , and taught him how to saute something in the professional restaurant in the middle of service . And this guy is like you know , he's the best . He's the best . He's like an Italian grandmother , you know .

Like , in the best possible way , like , it's like . I remember when we went to this restaurant he owned and he said he was like so excited that we came . He's like we were waiting for the menus . He's like , oh yeah , we're not going to do many , I ordered you everything on the menu . We just gave you everything . I was like wait , what I'm like ?

And he did Right , right , we got everything on the menu . It was played after . They couldn't possibly like right and then we took home 70 , right , you know , and we gave them out because we couldn't , we couldn't even and but it's that , it's that thing and and . But he has that award and he has that expertise .

But he was able to distill it to my 11-year-old in a way like , okay , here's how we start , and like see how it gets nice and whatever here , and make sure your stuff is translucent , your butter or whatever . I wasn't there , I only heard the third part , but so that becomes part of the procedure . Yeah .

So , like there's a he as is , he communicates with sydney solidly in terms of food because they both speak this language . Right even when we decided to have the restaurant , it was this is it good chops ? I didn't even understand everything they were talking about .

I was like , apparently they know what they want to do with this restaurant , but I wasn't like I was with them really .

So the situation he's in is going to call for this skill set , or could call for this skill set , but it is a separate skill set and I think I the way I expressed it at first was almost like there's a linear thing where , like past expertise , is the ability to teach , and I think no , the ability to teach is its own thing and we should probably treat it

that way .

It harkens back to one of my favorite quotes , uh , from isaac asimov , where he says anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through a political and cultural life nurtured by the false notion that democracy means .

It does require study and practice and effort and time , and what we're seeing as part of our indoctrination or our education about what it takes to become great , become a Michelin star winning restaurant , is a level of commitment that is , you know , fairly outside the norm .

With regard to time , I was thinking about Marcus just doing his R&D , his research and development on all the different he's labeling , all these canisters . Right right . And it is that type of focus is amazing and tremendous and if you have it , you can eventually make the type of focus is amazing and tremendous and if you have it , you know you can .

You can eventually make the type of things that it seems like uh , marcus is now becoming uh

capable of making . Yeah , um , I paused here , coach , on one specific shot , uh , because I , this is my favorite shot of the uh episode and probably the season . Oh , I just it's the only time you see car me content in any way . Yeah , I just love him in this moment and , if anything , it's uh sometimes this when I think back to this .

This image , I , I , I just shared it on the community site . Um , but it's car me in the middle of , like a vineyard or or you know this beautiful field yeah , versailles-like tended garden . It's not a vineyard , it's a place of growing food somehow . And he looks happy . He just looks like he's really happy to be there well , it's similar to sugar choosing .

It's a very placid shot and it's totally natural , not like what we experienced in chicago and and I think the stability of the shot is relevant oh shit , look where we cut to . So we cut to leaving chicago .

So now I really think this because chicago we got concrete , we got steel , we got a ton of gray , we got usually it's overcast , right , like that's what the city is .

And then he's almost at the exact opposite visually , including the fact that , as we talked about the , the establishing shots in seasons one and two that showed Chicago , showed it at extreme angles , showed it in unconventional ways , showed it in a really fast pace . Where there would normally be an establishing shot , there could be three or four .

That would happen and it was and it was jarring , it was part of what I experienced as unrelenting . And that shot that you just described is the opposite of that it it stops , it's framed , he is dead center , it's pretty as a shot . There's tree , a tall tree on his right and there's a tall tree on his left .

In that it's like , uh okay , chicago is a blue-collar town , you know , it's rough and tumble and Carmi has now sort of gotten to a place of refinement and delicacy and sort of a more pastoral setting than the one he grew up in . So it's juxtaposed against that . And then walk us through this conversation here with Sugar . I'll say the music continues .

It doesn't .

And and the sense that I take from it is , while he's focused on the very specific task of , like , the chef is coaching him to keep his blade flat and how to fillet and all these different things that interspersed inside of his , his focus is permeated by his past and constantly and I think the more he can fill his consciousness with the chopping and the

filleting and the slicing , the less room there is for those flashes .

And when I say confusing only because I , at least when we started this season , I did not know we were going to do so many timeline inserts and so many jumps , and so 12 minutes in roughly , I'm still acclimating to .

What are we looking at here ?

Uh , I looked away for a second , but we're back with the jo McHale . And why , chef jerk ? And he just seems to walk by and just say fuck you . Just , you know , because he can , as calm as plating and slicing meat and getting his job done . It's , I mean , all these dishes . There's a lot of negative space in terms of the plate .

There's a lot of negative space in terms of the plate um , not you know very much on the plate , which also there's a class element to the conversation , because one of the things that sort of stands out between where we expect the most wealthy to be eating and we expect the most uh poor to be eating or not wealthy to be eating , is that how much food you

get is not the measure as you move up the socioeconomic ladder . So there's something about being able to pay somebody an astonishing amount of money for the experience of eating essentially two bites of uh meat of perfect food .

So you know , I mean like you know , like that's what you're paying for right , um , and so , yeah , so they have those inserts of .

They take off the metal lid at the time , like the metal cover , and he looks at his food and he's like , jeez , I'm done and I don't even remember eating it has that it has that quality to it where you're like wow , these are small portions .

But the tastings I've been to are more like restaurant week kind of like scaled down versions of what we're describing here .

that's going to come up throughout and beyond the kitchen . For Carmi , I think the fact that he's then on his hands and knees scrubbing the floor , obviously that speaks to an attention to detail , but that also I wouldn't have , I guess , because they're there learning , it makes sense to me .

I'm not sure I would expect him to expect to be on his hands and knees scrubbing a floor as being part of being a chef , but I do see how that comes out in him and what we've seen already . Like that's part of the job and if the kitchen isn't immaculate , then you've already failed part of your job .

You can't create the level of perfection he's going for in a in a grimy kitchen .

There was one little chapter in it where she talks about choosing creativity or choosing your profession , and she mentioned something along the line for the concept , but it was , um , are you , do you love a career enough to choose the worst parts and the guaranteed parts of that job ?

Like , like , if you're going to be I think she's like novelist , are you going to willing be willing to travel to local fairs and sit there as people to sign books , or don't ? You know ? No one shows up to have your book signed , or someone makes an offhanded comment online about how your something writing sucks , like , whatever the worst parts of a job are .

Are you willing to do you love the complete job enough to deal with the worst parts of whatever that job is ? Um and it seems to me that you know this is a , this is a reality of working in a kitchen . Is the cleanup and for me , god talk about like , the worst possible thing ? As a dopamine addict , um , I'm like oh , I made the food .

That's what I've really had , that's what I've been struggling with personally , like this is the fucking boring part .

I like coming up with the ideas , I like the part where I'm like in front of people and doing the thing , but this is the boring part and I'm really , yeah , it's a real thing and you gotta figure out how to get through it yeah , yeah , it's tough .

always blown away . No one ever mentioned mentions carme's shoes . Um , did you see that coach ?

I'm gonna back up so you can see this because , because , like I never really I was always like what kind of shoes does he wear when like almost clog , like in a way ? Do you see ?

and calm , kissing out in front of the hospital .

You know , as you would when you're infatuated with someone Okay , okay , bye , okay , bye . And she rushes back and takes a drag on a cigarette and they kiss and she takes off and he's watching her take off , smiling . And then we cut to a calm and he is . He says I'm so sorry , and we already see that he's talking to sid . And she says we made it .

He responds no , you made it , she with everyone else , and I do want to talk about this scene . And he says I left you alone and she's still looking up at him , so don't let it happen again . It's never going to happen again . He says , which is a really bad relationship move .

And then and we'll talk about why in a moment and then she says to him you should call and I love you . Think she wants to hear from me right now . Sid processes that that's not who I was talking about . And then it's like , oh , who is she talking about ? And it's like , oh , yeah , you uh need to call Richie dude .

And so with I found myself with him going . I was just thinking about the girl you , you still you got a lot of heavy lifting to do .

But I politely but firmly think all of the attacks on Carmi for being locked in the freezer are unwarranted . It wasn't intentional , a total accident . You know how I feel about accidents . If it was Marcus , if it was anybody else , no one would have batted an eye . They would have been like , don't worry , a total accident . You know how I feel about accidents .

Uh , if it was marcus , if it was anybody else , no one would have batted an eye . They would have been like , don't worry , we got you . Like this is no problem . Like , yes , he was the heart and soul of the operation and that made it much more uh . You know uh of a serious uh setback .

But I , I balk at the concept that he had something to do with this in any meaningful way .

Personally , like I think he could have not left them alone , even locked in the freezer ultimately , although I don't know if they would describe it that way he was of no use to them .

Yeah , and so you can't do things that detract from that .

That's that's . I think he could have gotten locked in there and the aftermath would be much different if he , the driver of this car , hadn't screamed .

And then we cut to a one-er of him , like a single of him , from the front .

, given this show .

I'll say too , though I've I've specifically done a lot of work on that over the course of my life , but over the last couple of years specifically .

loser . I should have dumped you a long time ago . Um , which is richie's biggest fear that he kindly gave to . Whatever .

You remember , uh , how you felt when a friend in our fantasy football league took your personal sort of yeah you know , sharing and and aired it um , similarly to that , richie had the had the vulnerability to try to mend , mend their relationship by saying here's what I'm really afraid of . And carmy said I will never do that to you .

And nastiness and viciousness and and truly , you know . They say in , we know where it is . So in wine there is truth , right , but this is like in rage , there is truth or in there is no . To my mind , this is again one man's take , right . Uh , I don't ever forget what you said to me .

I don't care if you're angry , it seems only like actual truth and I would never forget it . I'd be like , finally , I know exactly where I stand with you and this is what you think of me . I know people .

I think things can be done and said as a way of fighting that aren't necessarily like a reflection of the actual opinion . So it's not .

It's that the person might know that saying that will hurt you and that's its own problem , but I'm not sure that it always means that's what they actually think of you , or certainly not what they think of you in totality , or how they would express it if they weren't pissed in that moment .

Right , right , so I could have a friend who's business failed and under normal circumstances I'd be like , yeah , well , most businesses fail and you know , okay , and blah , blah . And then if I'm in not I , but like in this context , if I'm in an argument with them , I might go that's why your motherfucking business failed , because you don't listen to nobody .

Blah , blah . It's well , that's not actually the story , or it could be part of the fucking story . But I'm just pissed now and you said what you said . So now I'm going to say the thing that I know stings you . So I hear you and I'm not saying anybody has to forget . I just wouldn't want to say that definitively .

Oh oh , you got mad and you finally told the truth . I don't think that's always accurate . Does that make sense ? The way I'm ?

I I would say that humans are very messy . I always say that it's like one of my core values , one , one of my core principles . How would you be able to distinct , distinguish between whether that is a thing ? It's all situational , it's all interaction based . It's all being able to read a scene .

You know , having a as a father of kids on on all sorts of parts of the spectrum and adjacent to it .

You know different people have different social dynamics and and the ability to socialize in different ways and like some of these interactions or or the um , the sort of um components of an interaction like that would be like someone yelling at you in a foreign language . You'd be like , okay , wait , what is this again ?

You know like , right , they , they can struggle with , with basic interactions . So to give them this like varsity level thing where you're like , well , actually , yes , I did say the thing that was your worst fear , but I only said it in an effort to hurt you in the moment and not as a lingering thing over .

I'd like to see that , I'd like that to be explained . But I but as part of that journey , right in season one , we sort of see what the situation with carmy is . We go , oh god , like jesus , he inherited this . What a mind . Fuck . His brother left him the place , he'd never let him right . You go , oh , you're 100 on board with carm .

Because you go , okay , right , like holy shit , like this guy's got a lot stacked and he's a little it seems a little fucked up too and he you know I'm noticing he doesn't have the best skills in certain areas , but he , there's a , there's a passion to what he's doing and you really can get behind it .

In season two you see him uh , sort of continue on that path and also grow in ways he actually starts to go to Al-Anon , you go , oh my God , like he's actually taking agency over his own life , his own choices . You see him like growing , you see him open himself up to love for the first time .

That's not like directly from his family or the employees he works with , directly from his family or the the employees he works with , um , all of these seem uh to to comprise um types of progress regarding .

And then you get to that final episode where you go this is season two , shit hits the fan and you see him say these unkind things and you see him kind of blow it with claire . I don't hold the claire stuff .

Claire stuff seems to me like he was journaling and she she read his journal by accident , so I don't hold that , but I don't like what he said to richie . I actively just think it was cruel no , no , and , and it was cruel .

And what I see in him is a need to develop , to do whatever healing and develop an ability to put some space between his feeling and his response , then reaction , response time . And now I'm really like I am saving you , motherfuckers , a fortune in therapy . But no , um , but no , really that ability to like you can be pissed man , you know what I mean .

Of course you're panicked , like it's fucking opening night of the restaurant you dreamt of all your life and you are fucking caught in a freezer like I get it . But you , you gotta take a deep breath . And you are fucking caught in a freezer Like I get it . But you got to take a deep breath and you got .

And I tell people in my coaching all the time I'm like listen , a lot of people would say to you oh well , positive communication is this and that , and it's like listen , positive communication is the communication that's going to get you toward where you're trying to go .

I've been in several conversations since I did this work where I was like , right now , positive communication is cussing you out because that's going to get me closer to where I need to be . So that's positive for me , right ? But he wasn't doing that If he really needs to straighten Richie out and they got into it .

I'd be like , well , you know , sometimes life is a contact sport . But he's just saying shit and I think it comes from the same panicked place he went to when they said they put in a good word for him in Fishers . He's like why y'all fucking with me , even if you took that as a bad thing , why do you think they are fucking with you ?

Like they are trying to help you get a girl at your side who you clearly ain't gonna get there no time soon . Like there's a lot of ways to take it , but why ? Do you feel ? fucked with . Like that's about you . That's about you how you feel about you .

Maybe you feel like there's no way you could get a girl like that , so why are they putting you in a position to get rejected ? Who knows ? But like right , basically your friends said yo , we're trying to help you out and your reaction is why you fuck with me . I think he needs to unpack that . What , what inside ?

He's a master at that and then he pokes fun at it in front of everybody . Knows what your biggest fear is . He's a master at that and then he pokes fun at it in front of everybody and right it .

it is absolutely hysterical until you're the target of his right , right , no , no , I get it he is , it's like a , it's like amazing , it's a superpower , um , and you know , we talked about this with carmy and um , you know , I , I think it's .

I think his reaction was valid because he had it , because , no , no , that was his lived experience , his reaction was valid , but he was unable to process the information he was being given because of his reaction well , no , he , maybe his reaction could be his reaction could be any , but he was wrong he we don't know that no , we do know that stevie stops and

in that and just like , uh all right , bullshit time .

He feels under attack in his life yeah , oh right , yes so that's right . Everything comes through that way , everything there is a persecution element to it ? yes , and so he always feels that . So he couldn't hear richie saying I love you because he's screaming so loud and even if you taped his mouth shut , he still wouldn't hear I love you great .

And then I , and then I got a scholarship and I went to private schools and then I learned that that was the exact wrong thing to do and I um felt that I had a choice to make and I gravitated to um the way the private school taught me and there were rules of civility that were generally accepted in society and the asterisk they don't tell you is in

educated society , in elite society , right , society , right , so so that that level of uh , personal comportment , uh , you know , to these , these rules , these sort of manufactured rules , is colonization and is a uh , it's a construct to as a form of gatekeeping and as a form of us versus that just , it's no different than any other type of tribalism , it's just an

indicator of your societal status . But having said that , in becoming mindful of that , in becoming mindful , I sometimes make fun of my kids for lack of punctuation in texts and they make fun of me for being a grandpa and thinking that texts need , uh , capitalizations and period and right , um , and so it's a different environment .

But they say like , yeah , that's because you know , it's just more colonization , it's more , you know , a gatekeeping . That this is , these are the rules of how you write these .

But I also look and I say , well , but if you don't do that , like on some level , so so we just throw out all the rules , like so , uh , in my lifetime I've seen I can't tell you how many times in the front panel of a magazine there would be , you know , like um , you go like page two or three and there'd be a letter from the editor , right , and the

amount of times over the last 20 years I've seen typos in there and , uh , improper use of speech . And I just go , oh my god , like , so , what is an editor anymore ? Like what , what are the what ? What does it mean ? But ? But you would say I know juliana will say watch your , watch , your privilege , right there , my friend , like , you know , like , but .

But then I'm like well , what are there ? No rules . So I struggle with this a little bit and for me I say don't spit it out , don't yell it . In a moment of rage Don't yell . I know you would say , well , yeah , you're not in control of that when it's that white hot .

But I feel like I've trained myself to say , okay , I don't want to be apologizing for something that is hurtful , I'd rather just go . I have this thought .

You know I'm resentful about x , y or z , but that's my burden to bear , I'm not going to put it on somebody else right um and you know I'm mindful that that's not always the right thing or the best thing , but it's it's . It's hard to watch carme do that and then give him like a pass the way it seems like you're doing .

I do not think the fact that karm goes out of control excuses his behavior right , but it explains , it explains it and and so therefore it's not bullshit that he doesn't remember or whatever , and anybody who is a pilot , whoever's on the other end of that call , is within their rights to go .

Okay , well , you know , thanks for the apology , but I don't fuck with you no more , right ? Because , like , I'm unsafe around you and I don't know when you're going to go back into your white hot whatever .

So I think they're all sorts of gradations and what's the relationship . But think about the level .

now . Now I was trying to think of our last fight and then I realized we've never gotten in a fight never , ever had a fight . But we will at some point , because you're a terrible person , like just a ball , just straight up horrible .

But when we do , when we do , if we do I hope we never do , but if we do , I have a belief that you will not use my weakest moments against me .

I have a belief that you will never , no matter how hot you get , you will not rage in a way that would say I'm going to take your trust and I'm going to throw it back in your face in this moment , even unintentionally , Right right right . And I think they're as close as we are .

I hear what you're saying about Claire being outside that door and hearing him go on that whole rant , and there was a part of that that felt like oof . No way he says that if he knew she was standing there .

And I think when you talk culturally , the difference between you know you're talking about the difference between emotional expression as a value and emotional control as a value Right value and emotional control as a value right .

And and I think for a lot of people , for me often , if I know someone's angry but they didn't act , or I find out somebody was angry but they didn't act angry when they were talking to me , I sometimes process that as , oh , they're fake , because I just talked to them 20 minutes ago and they didn't express all of that . So I can't .

I will tell you because I studied this stuff and I may have told you this already , so if I did tell me to , but I was trained in stuff called IDI , which is basically it's called the Intercultural Development Inventory , and there's a whole thing around communication and different cultures value different things , and so , yes , what you just said , yes , like you know

we're joking around , but you know , when you think of like , sort of like , if you were to watch a send up of , like white funeral , black funeral , that's a real thing . And so a guy told a story where he you know work situation .

And so a guy told a story where he you know work situation , there were a few black people were upset about you know something , they that happened that you know racial , uh incident of some sort , and the uh white people in the room were very you know the way we use the word stoic , like just very , you know .

Okay , you know let's all stay calm and deal with the situation .

And black people ended up outside the room and I'm not sure if they decided to leave or whatever , but anyway , they were outside the room in this moment and they were outside talking about it and they were getting louder and louder and louder , right Talking to each other about it , and then one of the white people poked their head outside the door , kind of like

hey , we can hear you guys in there . And in the telling of the story , dude was like and we're standing out there like we don't give a fuck . You know , be like we bad , you could , I don't give a fuck . If you hear that , we bad , you know .

And I thought and he but he was putting this out there for us to think about the fact that in that moment , his experience was this fucked up thing happened and y'all all sitting there like you don't give a fuck , which is not at all what you would be communicating . You would be communicating whoa , whoa , whoa . This is serious as shit .

But everybody , get a hold of yourselves . We got to deal with this seriously .

It reminds me of Jeet Kune Do , the Bruce Lee practice , and his whole thing was like his style was no style yeah , it's like be like water . You know why'd you throw that punch ? Because it was time to throw that punch . That's why , right , it's not that this kick , then this punch , then whatever . It's like .

No , like it wasn't time for a punch , so I did a situational adaptation and you just have to be .

And so I think , socially , um , that's always where that's what I've wanted to move toward in a healthy way is like be in some situations where I'm like I'm just gonna sit here , like I'm literally not gonna say a word , and another one that I , you know , I'll blow your hairline back , and it's just what needs to happen in that moment .

Um , but karma doesn't have that . He's not making choices , comes along and it takes him with him and and , um , yeah , it could cost him well , so now he is , he has left the message .

I can list at least three or four people at the top of my head right now who deserve that call I know what my week coach you and I talked about this , of growing up with adhd and not knowing you had it and , um , I apologized to a lot of people and I got sick of fucking apologizing yes , I got sick that's a real thing sick of , and then I got sick

of the of the inherent shame ? yep , and why can't anybody else ? Why ? Why am I always the one fucking up like and I just don't see time in the same but ?

I mentioned the guy who has ADHD who sets the alarm for one minute before his meeting and also sets an alarm for 30 seconds because in the time he takes to turn the first alarm off , he gets distracted and he might miss .

I forgot to put in the dryer . That smells like it's been sitting around wet for 24 hours , start over . It'd take me a week to get my laundry done because , fuck , I left it in there , you know .

So , no , that's a real , that's a very real thing , and you're right that once you understand some of the mechanics of it , then being able to manage it really matters . I'm going to share this and I know we're not doing what you said and it's largely on me no , no , no , we're moving along , okay .

And , just to give you a sense of it , I used to have a joke on stage that if you asked me about that time my cousin got killed , I would have to ask you to be more specific , right ? And so you know , I've seen , I've seen some shit and and having to , we did we .

We ended up doing this thing where I started identifying like parts of myself and we really started naming the parts like characters .

And it was funny because my therapist then went to this conference after we had been doing it for a while and came back and was like , hey , that thing we started doing it's already an established modality and it's called inner family systems and yeah . So congratulations to us , we just figured it out . So I was like , oh , sweet that's good .

So we just kind of kept rolling with it , but like doing the way we were had been what's it called again , inter-family , inner inner family , inner family , yeah , so you , you really so like for me . There's my little kid who's like super scared , and then there's what I call my rodman .

That's a whole other story , as in dennis rodman , but he's my we've alluded to your rodman before .

Yeah so you know , but I I bring it up because if karm doesn't know how he gets set off , doesn't know why he gets set off , doesn't know what being set off has accomplished for him , because that's a tricky one , because we go , oh it's so terrible that I do this thing .

But when I really thought about it it was like , well , it hasn't always been so fucking terrible , like I have gotten my ass out of some situations , but I was having my switch flip Right .

And I think that , like I , I am very specifically experiencing that right now . That , like carb listen man , you got the skills , you got the situation . I think you got the team . Don't let this damage from your past , your trauma , be the thing that trips you up , and I , and , and , and that's you know .

So maybe that's part of why this season is speaking to me so far , too , is that I'm watching him and going oh no , oh , no , no , no , no , no , I know what you do . Please , please listen to me . Um , yeah , no , no , I know what you do . Please , please listen to me .

Um , yeah , if I could , if , if this were real life , I'd be like traveling to chicago and heading down to the bear and go going . All right , I've got this system . Okay , just listen to me , hear me out .

At least . Karmic taking agency , and then we , he's taking the initiative , and then we cut right to what . Who was the message for ?

He's obviously paying attention , he's obviously still angry , he sniffling kind of wipes at his nose , and then I thought this was a great piece of acting , directing , writing , whatever combination got us there , but he , he puts his , he puts his head in his hands , he doesn't actually pinch the bridge of his nose , but it's that kind of a move , yeah .

And what I loved about that was to me that didn't say fuck him and it didn't say , oh , he apologized , everything's fine . What it said to me was what am I going to fucking do with this kid ? He knows Carm doesn't know what the fuck he said . You think that's the first time he's seen Carm do that , whether he , whether it's been him in the past or not .

There's no motherfucking way . These guys have known each other all these years and he's never seen Carm go off like that . So he knows and he's like , yeah , but I don't want to fucking take that shit from you . So now , what am I going to do ?

Right it was just like oh , I want to see , let's continue the progression .

characters to get what they want , as opposed to more ambiguity in that way ?

You had them and wayne was like obvious , right , uh , in this one it's always been a little bit vague , um , but what you had , roughly at least , entering season three , was a general sense of trajectories . So you didn't have like a rooting interest against an antagonist person .

Right , the antagonist is grief , the antagonist is chaos right , the antagonist is is the grittiness of chicago winters and how that affects your psyche , right , so , so , so that's why it was . It's like varsity TV watching , cause you're like , okay , there's no bad guy per se . The bad guy is in all of us .

We are being honest about , right , about the complexity of every human being , and then we're always in a fight against our worst selves and toward our better selves .

If we're heading in that direction , if we're actually on that path which we're not , not all , not all of us are right , um , but by by highlighting that and sort of um , showing that , yes , like the way that every scene seemed to move along some component of somebody's journey right along in the first two seasons , that got you very um , accustomed to the fact

that like , yeah , it's a , we're watching a , um , there's a lot more nuance and a lot more subtlety to this show than in your , in your you know it's typical . It's not like a procedural where it's like we got to catch the bad guy . We know there's a bad guy out there right . It presupposes there's good and bad in everyone .

That's it , and and that fight is ongoing . Yeah , what ? What is ? What stings from time to time is when you're on that journey with a certain character and they regress , which we all do which is , which is fine .

It's just hard to watch because you can't it's a passive interaction right , yeah no , coach , you said I want to go to the beef and go , all right bring it in everybody . I know how to fix it . You guys are great . I don't know if you know how great you are .

But what I thought , the reason I thought about that , is I've been thinking about these shows and they feel oddly connected to each other , and I don't think it's just because , oh , we talked about all three , so now , whatever , I think that there does seem to be something that's holding this series of stories together , and one thing with wayne kind of being an

interesting mix . Nobody here believes in rom communism , if anything , god . Everyone here thinks life is a tragedy . Yeah , oh yeah .

. I do think the experience is different in that way , because I was assured that , whether you know , I quote liked or didn't like the ending of ted lasso that he had . He had promised me and I had every reason to believe that everything was going to turn out all right . Whatever the fuck all right meant .

Now I might have had my ideas of what was the most all right , but we are left , ted Lasso , that everything's all right . I have zero faith that everything will be all right here . For all I know , the last episode of this season is the shuttered up carcass of the bear , and there's something about that that's like very real life and exciting . In that way .

It's super tense . It's super tense and I , I , I enjoy in quotes the surface kind of way the , the , the rom comment , the rom communism of it all of like a little bit of extra assurance , I think , right now . But this feels like life to me , where it's like listen this ain't gotta work , just as we all what ? Because we all want it to work .

What the fuck ?

Uh , one of the things that was interesting about the show game of thrones , which you , you never uh watched , coach , was you get into it . I have a friend who just watched it . Uh , just got into it and uh he called me up and he was like so it was pretty bleak .

It's pretty bleak outlook about , like you never know who's gonna die you know , they set up main characters and they're dead in the next scene and you go oh my god , and uh , when we did ted lasso , we had that sort of . It was a . You know , there was that rom communism quality to it .

It was highlighting all the beautiful things and and uh , there was a sense of palpable togetherness that they were moving toward . Um , with wayne , we found two absolutely Every time we mentioned Wayne .

Folks , we're talking about the show Wayne , which was made during the YouTube red years , when YouTube started doing independent programming , and YouTube red always sounds like porn to me . I apologize , it sounds like such a weird it doesn't .

But it was a masterpiece , and on that show you had two very independent people moving toward togetherness , to the point where the final shot of the entire thing , uh , is about a , a connection between people that cannot be broken um with the bear .

Unfortunately , the , the trajectories and the timelines of togetherness are fleeting and not always aligned , and so sometimes you'll feel like , oh , carm and sid are kind of on the same page , and you're like God , they're really not on the same .

Or you're like , oh , you know , finally Carm goes to Al-Anon now him and sugar are going to be on the same page and you're like , but not really . So there's that , that thing , and every time you have a blow up like this , you go okay , are they on the same page ?

And , as someone who values the togetherness Coach , I've been telling you to watch Emma Hayes , who is the new coach of the United States .

Most of all , do it together . And I was like I coach has to get on . He says to see this . The togetherness is such a key part of how you and I see the world and how we like team building and how we , how we value , uh , other people .

The best part about making a podcast about television has been our community , has been our listener community and our buttercups 100 . We found people out of the blue who we completely align with and who are wonderful , and so we value that in a show and sometimes with the bear man , the community . It fractures in a weird way .

It looks , it teases you with the sense of total football right , and then you go . God damn it .

But it feels like trying to think of a good comparison , the best I can come up with , this sort of right . This second is like there are ways in which I drive daphne crazy and daphne drives me crazy , but at a certain point am I going nowhere , like you know . I mean , like it's not .

Like when we're first dating , it was like , well , you know , I can't believe . You know , I could hear you chew cookies even though your mouth was closed . I'm out of here right , like you know . And so carm and richie part of what's most painful about watching richie put , you know , kind of hang his head and you know , oh god , is he .

Karm knows he's gonna see richie tomorrow and richie knows karm's gonna see richie tomorrow . There's 0.0 chance that karm's gonna be like you know what . That's it . I'm over the edge . Fuck the bear , fuck all this . I got my own goddamn divorce and child and family to work like he's .

He's gonna be there tomorrow and there's something about it not being feel good and having us all know they're gonna show up tomorrow . That's its own brand of interesting to me .

I didn't choose these sons of bitches , or you go oh my God , I'm so lucky to be with these . One way or another or somewhere in between . It's a vast spectrum . I know .

For me , the greatest joy I've had in my life is the family I've made , people like you and my other friends who are closer to me than my actual family , who I trust more than my actual family , and the family that you make with , uh , you know , your children , your partner and things like that and uh and so this , this happens in all sorts of environments ,

but frequently in corporate environments or workplace environments where , um , you're just with these people all the time and if you get a really good blend , it can be amazing , it can feel like family . And so , yes , carmi and Richie aren't technical family , but what they've been through . You know there's a lot coming .

Coach , walk us through what's happening here with Marcus .

We move in on him and he doesn't say or do anything except look down and then cut away . And now we cut to a list being written by Carmi . And actually can you flash it back and come into this shot one more time , Because I it's not , it's non-negotiables , it's his non-negotiables list .

Right , but I know I noticed in real time when I was watching it he misspelled at least one or two words and I remember thinking that is really fucking clever . That is a really clever choice , because my guess about Carm is he was not a great student .

My guess about Carm is the level of perfection and attention he can put into this has not shown up everywhere , right , and so I thought it was really . I just love that .

Like sometimes people talk about smart in quotes as if it's like just you know some pixie dust that gets rained down on your way , on your way to earth here , and I like the idea of being able to acknowledge that sometimes people are strong in one area and they're shit in another area , and that's just what it is and just because he misspells a couple words .

I mean he can't spell , but you know what I'm saying . Like I think they obviously made a choice . We are tight on these words . It's not as if the AD or the director didn't notice that these words were misspelled , right .

And then we cut to a very um , getting ready for the war , getting ready for the caper , approach to getting set in the kitchen , and he's crossing things off and of his list and he's putting , you know , turn on the flame and you just very much see that like chef karm is not fucking around today , um , and we get tight shots , slicing vegetables , intense , just

like tight on his eyes , like extreme close-ups . Um , and we're just going through all these things and some of them I've . I didn't really know what I was looking at .

I was like I think that's pasta being made , okay , I think that's salmon , but a few times we're so close and the items are so specific that you just kind of knew there's some fancy food going on .

Sure crossfades to me , say , this took a while , whereas like hard cuts here would you would know that could be , you know , five days , it could be two minutes , but the fate how much you think uh all clad uh paid for the product placement and the all carmy cooking in an all clad uh pan there I probably , I think there was probably quite a deal cut there ,

you ever have a all-clad . Uh , I know I didn't even know that was a thing to notice the name of like . I just look at this kitchen and think like it's like certain cars . When people tell me like oh , uh , blah , blah , blah sold for you know 8.9 million dollars , I'm like okay , like like yeah , all cl clatter , I mean like there's a commercial .

So this is where you know it's funny . So if my family , if we said , hey , is dad a foodie ? Or whatever , they'd be like , no , like juliana's mom , we just came off a vacation with her family and I cooked for 16 people . Uh , we went to .

I'm like dear fucking god like hell no um , and juliana's made fun of me because she's like you , she's like you don't know how to do things , like like at a c level , like a c minus level , just like like her parents have no zero expectations about food . They're happy to like it's just sustenance . They don't care right .

And so when they come and you and I cook for them like juliana , I was saying I at some point I was like I recognize that I don't like the tools I have and you know , only a poor carpenter blames his tools .

But I ended up searching out estate sales and things for like really old copper pans and so I have like a set of like amazing top of the line Movi from France copper pants that I cook it and Julian always makes fun which is like this is a fucking man's kitchen , like you know heavy . Those things are like just one .

You're like seriously , you have like two hand the thing .

And and also these pans like they're the kind where you can't grab it , like they don't have the um , the handles get hot you need like a whole thing or whatever , right , but I noticed the quality of the food got so much better and I can control the temperatures better , and so it's like I say like I don't like cooking and I it irritates the hell out of

me and I love not cooking but , if we're gonna do it , let's do it right . And so over vacation , you know , I cooked like a my , my bolognese is my big thing . It's like a real stick to your ribs kind of bolognese sauce , and , um , I quadrupled the recipe that I usually do .

And so , you know , a bunch of people got to take some home with them , but it's like they care enough to take it home because it's such a departure from the norm , whatever .

But but you know , I just thought it was funny , I , I happened to notice , I was like I wonder why there's this is the first shot I saw of a um , like a product placement for restaurant supplies , like very clearly . So

I didn't know .

It's interesting though , that you point that out , that there's the first time you notice it , because it's probably the first time the show is positioned the way it is now . So it's graduated to where companies are like uh , you know where the people who give a fuck about food are going to be .

They're going to be in front oh yeah it's smart , it's very , it's a very smart .

So I so it's not shocking to me that it feels new to you , because I could see working for any kind of company like that and thinking , yeah , we want to be involved with the bear immediately , this season's launch felt that way , felt like a departure , like I thought it was a scrappy , you know .

This is alone in it's like the timeline of its drop of season three and I was like , wow , this is a big and way more people know about it than ever before . So , yeah , it's not surprising .

But with that , I've been working in productions that have that type of dynamic where , where things change and more money , more problems , and all of a sudden , you know now you're a servant of many masters and you know there's brand reps that weigh in on on the placement and things . It's it ends up being like you know you've dealt with that before .

So , um , walk us through what carm is doing here so he's doing .

I get this is cooking , but it feels it doesn't feel that far from what it would be in a you know a movie about Thomas Edison setting up some experiments . I mean it really has that level of like .

You know , everything is precise and is being labeled and tested and you get the sense that he's going to cook the same piece of whatever it is and try all three of those sauces and figure out which direction to go in .

You know , somewhere in nikola tesla was like sort of the real deal , yeah , and because of who we are as a corporate , uh , you know , mega society , that , um , you know he electrocuted an elephant , um , so , but anyway , um , I digress .

Uh , uh , no , and maybe let's , maybe it's all , whatever , it whatever , maybe , maybe maybe it'll come back around and then all that stuff will be disproved . Uh , but we're in , we're as we're doing the this montage . Now we're back , uh , in ever . Uh , lucas , prepping some stuff .

Chef , uh , terry is olivia coleman's character , is like you , sort of clocking it from the side . It's all very quiet and Carmi is now working on the same dish and Chef Terry comes up and she like puts her finger on the these little fillets that have keep making an appearance . Five more seconds on these , chef . He's like you're good . She's like yes , good .

She's like yes , chef , are you sure ? Yes , chef , do you need me to finish it for you ? Which is about as caustic as we see her get yeah , no , no , chef , he puts it back in the I don't know , this little sort of flash flash cooker . I don't really know what ?

The five seconds again , sort of similar to that moment , with the plate just sort of being dumped in the trash , fathom doing very many things , but certainly cooking to a standard where five additional seconds of exposure to heat would be a difference maker , like that's it's a level of detail .

Yeah , you're right so maybe it's just like every second matters like sort of conceptually , not in a practical sense , um , but , coach , she gives him a look which she never does . Or we haven't seen you talk about spackling in moments of Carmi's journey . We had not seen this version of Chef Terry where she's stern with him . That's as stern as she gets .

She fixes the plate and then look at the parting shot she gives him . So watch this .

Important that she's able to communicate so much displeasure with so little um volume one , with so few words , but I would also say , with so little attack . It's about the meat , it's about the plate , it's about getting this shit right .

It's not randomly walking behind you and saying , fuck you , or maybe you've exhausted the limits of your talent , or slapping a donut out of your hand or any of the other number of just really poisonous toxic whatever you want to call them behaviors that we've witnessed . Poisonous toxic whatever you want to call them behaviors that we've witnessed .

And actually , interestingly , I've found that with some people , this approach is a lot more , not only just more effective , it's more painful , like , truly that , the like hitting certain players with the . Oh , that's the best you can do . That's the best you can do . Listen , it's tough when that shit is rough .

I need you to get as close to perfection as possible . Right , I don't want to have to handicap you because you work in ever the best you know restaurant in Chicago and I need you to get best you know restaurant in chicago and I need you to get you know , to be , to hit to to .

You know , um , hit the hit the markers at every given time and you're playing against perfection . Um , you know par is is not good enough . You're trying to to do every single thing the best possible way . Now I want to . I want to point out that um , first of all , yes , that's a burden to people to play always against perfection , which is grueling .

Another thing is to be able to communicate what perfection looks like , and when you're on set in Hollywood , there's all these . You watch how different directors work . One of the things that drives me crazy is you'll do a take , they'll say cut . Sometimes it's the director , sometimes the id , whatever whoever says cut .

And then director will be like okay , let's reset and go again . And I'm like oh , I'm just listening , I'm like , and right , so what I like about ? Because if you go again , sure we'll go again . But like what ? Is there an adjustment ? some directors say oh , no , like I I trust the actors to I want to see you play it , I want to see it again .

Do it your own way . That's a certain way to do it . What chef terry is doing is she's very clear in her directions . Not just five seconds this time , five seconds every time . Chef , there are scenes that we're going to see . We have seen with carmy and we will see . We've seen them with sid . This cook isn't't right . Send it back , refire .

But that's not a specific direction . Right , they glance at it , they go no , it's not right . Right , and I go it's not right . Even last season , when there was a young woman chef who was struggling about something , the sauce . honestly , Carmi looked at it three or four times , nope , still not right , whatever .

And I'm like , just be specific , you need to do this , this , this , help her get to the finish line . Then it becomes a communication thing , because you know that you can hit your driver and put it in the hole in one shot , but she doesn't know that , right , she'd say , okay , I know you're not going to get this in the first shot .

I need you to lay up on the green and chip on it , lay up in the um in the fairway and then chip onto the green and , and so you just go . The communication becomes such a huge quality and in the same way , the children study their parents . Uh , you know , the kids come down .

You come downstairs , coach , I guarantee your children just look at your shoulders and go okay , what kind of mood is dad in ? Right ? oh , yeah , right the the same way these junior chefs look at chef terry . She doesn't have to say a whole lot , they know exactly what the subtext is , right , um ? So so that's the dynamic .

Ultimately , ultimately , what we do see , whether it's intentional or not , is a woman at the highest level having to find , or having found I shouldn't even say having to find having found subtler , quieter , less aggressive , less caustic ways to communicate and make this thing run . And on some level , did she have to ?

Because , oh boy , you know joel mckale's character , new york chef , you know new york city chef asshole can do that because everybody goes , oh , oh , yeah , he's blah , blah blah , he's a perfectionist , but she'd be a bitch . I mean , right , yeah , so just calling that piece out . The other thing I want to highlight here I know we get through this scene .

I found the quote I was trying to find last time and I do think it's relevant to the ongoing conversation of how to run a kitchen and these different styles and what we're seeing , and it was angry . People want you to see how powerful they are , loving . People want you to see how powerful you are . Woman and the sauce .

It didn't feel like his commitment was to her being a great chef . It felt like his commitment was in her giving him the sauce he needed to get the shit done that he needed to get done .

I get that , that ultimately they're running a restaurant right but I think I get the sense here that chef terry is like you're gonna be cooking these for a long time and you may even have the motherfucking audacity to tell somebody I taught you how to do it , so five more seconds right and right , absolutely right and then .

I wasn't 100% clear and again , I don't know this world . It felt a lot like the knife tina kept . Did I just tam travel ? No , that wasn't season two no , that was season two .

I took that line as like you're gonna be all right , you're gonna be all right , I just I gotta be hard on you I gotta be hard on you , but you're gonna be .

It's only significant in that , um , I was a freshman at yale and freshmen weren't supposed to be allowed to take the class , and I wrote the professor and basically stated my case and made my plea that you have to let me take this class , and he said yes , so I ended up taking this class , and so there were graduate students in there and there was a guy .

So this guy though that's how he took notes and I'm sure you wrote words too , but I remember seeing him showing me , and the reason he showed me was one day I come into class and he hands me a picture he drew of me during class and it was like the back of me , but I mean it was like I had on my , like , high school basketball jacket it was a detail

in that , my hair , I mean . It was that's like a fucking photo , like I was like you just did this while we were all talking , like , but he was this art , blah , blah , and it was part of how he remembered what was going on . So I .

Another thing I loved here , especially with the misspelling um , was different people learn different ways and different people communicate effectively different ways .

Yes , and for him just writing , oh , I try to semi glaze or demi glaze today , and da da , da da isn't going to give him what taking the time to create that drawing and really what he sees and translating that onto a page does for him . Yes , so that was really cool .

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thing . It's like one of the things that our educational system has to start learning about . For some people it is a trigger , to trigger your memory cycle . You look at that thing and you remember what was said . For some people it's a stim . For some people it's a coping mechanism in the middle of a social environment .

I mean it's crazy how many things go into it . So when teachers are like , oh , don't doodle , there was a teacher that said to my 10-year-old daughter , yeah , I don't like that you doodle in class . And I was like I'll be visiting that gentleman . Hello good sir .

Okay , that's , that's one way to address it . But it to in a blanket way say doodling means you're not paying attention , I think that's , that's horrible . I'll tell you , for me , the , the , the rise during the lockdown of all the zoom meetings was not great .

And even my coaching , because sometimes when I was coaching people , I coached them on the phone and I would be walking around , I would be shadow boxing , I'd be , and it's not that I was like not paying attention to them . Actually , in a way , I was as engaged as I could possibly get , like I was .

I'm in there now and there's something about sort of sitting and having to stare at the camera . You know , if you look up at your notes and you like people think you're distracted , it's like no , I'm paying attention , I'm just doing the thing .

Um , so it's , it's don't always , I guess , don't always come , don't always judge um , by how you would do it or what it would mean for you to pay attention , because for some people , the pandemic was the best time of their whole life listen . There's a level on which I told I remember telling my family . However , long into it I said listen , this sucks .

I get it . I said , but I have never felt more calm . You people are always here , I can always see you , no one's going to get to you . I was like this is a vacation for the family protector .

And then , after the pandemic , I was like I'm not doing that anymore . I remember boss saying I'm not wearing a bra anymore , that's it . And then she went back to wearing a bra and she's like yeah , shit . I went back to yeah and I was like what , what are the ones that made it and what are the ones that didn't make ?

it yeah , we'll definitely talk about it . Uh , coach , one of the things that we see here with carmy in this little montage uh , music still over back , I might add um is uh , is that he's doodling not just in one place , but in several different . We see him doodling at ever now .

We see him this is a shot of him in the boat , uh , in um copenhagen , and so so doodling is a form of information processing for him . Yes , um , and walk us through what's happening here .

There's something , there's a safety to staying here . You're going out there and shoot , you know , and that , hey , I'm good at this , right . So this he , he's experiencing doubt from her , she's worrying , which there's some doubt in that . Um , but then we go back to him in new york learning and this is the , the , the chef you liked in particular .

But it's one of those things that I think it means whatever you decide , it means in the moment , and it often means whatever ultimately works . We decide that was the perfect level . But , like , if less is always more than nothing , is everything Right . So , like , at some point we're not right , we can't follow , we can't follow that forever .

Like somewhere along the way that that that peters out .

But you know , there there's a way . If you the guy is seems on an interpersonal level like a plague to me , seems like the worst person in the world to work for . But if you try to look beyond the note behind the note , you might say , okay , perfection is the enemy of good .

If you can't get this to a place where it's playable and it works it's not like R and D goes on forever you have to have an internal trigger a mechanism to say okay , we're not going to get this , it's time to move on . Whether or not that's a good message , I don't know .

In the , in the world of chefing , um , keep us , keep us going here , coach All right , all right .

A lot of ums , a little and whatever you need and take all the time you need . You don't even need to respond to this at all . Another um , she's struggling , so sorry , marcus . So she actually says the name , which I think , since we've watched two people leave messages , there's something . You know the specificity of that . And now , what the fuck is that ?

Why a restaurant ? So we now cut to from Carm on a bus . It looks like headed home , or maybe it's the L . We cut to him talking to Mikey and Mikey laughing what the fuck is that ? Why a restaurant ? Why not a restaurant ? Is the response . We're back on the bus with him . So it's very much his experience , I think , is for me that I was with this .

I it worked for me . Um , and then we cut to claire cleaning off her makeup , yeah , and I wondered if this was his imagining of claire or if this was actually clear in that moment . I landed on I think it's clear in that moment , but , um , I wasn't sure . And then we cut to clear in bed with what I assume is like her roommate or something .

Um , I mean they're , they're obviously close and they're hugging in bed , but it doesn't feel like it's presented sexually , cause I actually asked myself bed . But it doesn't feel like it's presented sexually Because I actually asked myself like , oh , is this , you know , did she head off to someone else ?

But it feels more like a comforting embrace than a sexualized one .

Also , I think it's significant , given that we're dealing with this italian family , italian american family in chicago , that it's a hand wound , um , it felt , it felt to me like it had a certain Christian , at least some reference there , coach , to the crucifixion of Jesus , and that he had scars from the nails that pierced his hands .

They just don't have the the thing . So , like the , yeah , no , I got him does , and sometimes it's . It's as simple as um an organizing principle , and you will not get me to defend religion no , no , I want to get some .

I want to be clear about um , I know many of our listeners do and I know I don't want to sit here , uh , in an ivory tower and look down on on their beliefs .

Um , I will say that , uh , I definitely understand how you get to that position , but I also understand the perspective of hey man , like that's not me , like I know , oh yeah I'm not that like my religion is personal or so there's some context .

People may disagree with me , but this isn't . When I say something like I think organized religion has outlived its useful life . I'm speaking to a specific set of things . I'm not just saying , oh , if you're believing in God , it's dumb . That's actually very much not what I'm saying . So I should provide a little bit of context there .

But in the context , of who I am and and all the time I've spent with the bible in my hand really trying to dig in there um , yeah , and yet one of the most uh , one of the biggest uh influences your life is your old pastor yeah , like , we're still like . Yeah , we , we communicate multiple times a week .

I again also very , very connected to the and uh , significantly less so these days , but but even so , um , there there is a religious quality to the nature of the connection with food in the bear . Um , sometimes , you know , people find their spirituality in different places .

Uh , it might be church for a lot of people , it , it , the , the concept of service was was , uh , highlighted in richie's turnaround in season two , doing things for acts of service . Um , so , uh , it's all , it's all part and parcel of of what we're going through . And then quickly coach , just want to get through this one little thing .

Sure , before we close up , walk us through this next scene .

two . But now walk us through this .

But OK , yeah , I guess we're not ready . One , two , did you blink ? And she winks and in the time it takes him to say that he won , she gives him his shot and then congratulates him on winning . Very sweet , very thoughtful , super caring .

And then we cut back to her in pain and in an interesting way off of the conversation we had earlier , coach , about you know what , uh , what , um , what a contrast in emotional expression and emotional control . Like she's able to manage absolute devastation and still deliver kindness in that moment and karm can't even accept love .

He's so far in the emotional expression direction and just spewing that he can't even . He can't even hear richie say I love you , scream frankly , I love you . So it's uh . The distance between who they are and the kind of condition they are in personally is really highlighted there .

We don't know , and just in full visibility .

We started the bear season one and then season three dropped , so we paused our sort of walkthrough of all the episodes and we haven't had a chance to deep dive some of the claire stuff in season two , right , um , there is a profound um , so well , I don't know if , well , how would I say this a segment of the population who watches claire sees her as a

sort of a , a white male fantasy like the , the epitome of a white male fantasy .

Um , like she's the perfect , you know , patient person and she's a doctor and she , so she's , she's independent , but she's kind and she's a pediatrician and and she helps little kids and she's like every little , she's understanding , but she's cool and she fucks and and she's and she knows how to , but she's cool and she fucks and she knows how to party , but

she's really down to earth . There's this criticism of the character of Claire is that she feels too good to be true at times . Okay , I'm not saying one way , or ?

It feels like , um , the entire episode to me feels like a combination of um sort of review and fill in a little bit , but nothing forward so far . And I've attributed that to , in my mind it could be the studio weighing in and saying , hey , wait a sec , like a lot of people are jumping in , they , they don't know who these characters are .

We're gonna take our foot off the gas a little bit and we're gonna ease into this season in a more controlled tone to reflect the fact that this is no longer the beef , now it's the bear I did wonder that too .

I see it and it's interesting because I've definitely been in situations where I've written women characters and worried that I was doing too much like like in my attempt to not have the woman only matter because they're in relationship and an attempt to make sure that the woman is smart or smarter than everybody else in the room and in an attempt to write .

And she , I believe me when I tell you I love to write a woman character who curses like no other . I write , I write I've written that in a number of scripts just absolute filthy , like me at my worst potty mouth , and I just put it in a woman's mouth and just go yeah , yeah , say that , um , well then , you're highlighting her ability to thumb her nose .

In a way , though I guess that made me feel for claire , because I was like , look , claire , you know she , you got her faults , like anybody else on earth , I imagine . But like she didn't seem like a cool person . She always liked you , she didn't judge you , you know , she came to your restaurant opening . She couldn't have been no motherfucking happier .

She's just overwhelmed with the need to just come tell you how wonderful everything was , you know , and here you are screaming about how they ain't shit she could do in your life . That would be worth taking a moment to be with her , um , but I get , I believe , I believe his words were it's not worth it , it's not worth it .

I have said to people before I need you to know I am sorry and I need you to know that I know that you don't have to forgive me . But whatever you decide to do , I need you to know that I am sorry . I said that and to me that's real , because it's not your job to you know , I'm damaged . That's not your fucking problem .

You have a right to be like cool . You're sorry . That's a fact in this world . Another fact is I don't fuck with you , no more , all right . Well , you know what I fucked up .

But you also get the right to understand that has consequences may not be legal consequences , but there may be social , emotional consequences to you . Uh , having a , you know whatever that opinion that goes against . Uh , you know what people receive as decency or good or morals or standards or ethics or whatever .

Um , yeah , no , it's tough and and there's a quality to carmy where , um , there's a player on the US Women's National Soccer team , a young player . She's only 20 or 22 . She's young and she got in a lot of hot water because she had made a lot of anti-LGBTQ comments on social media or liked things that were whatever . She went as far as that .

We mentioned her . She liked something where megan rapino got injured , which is like just among players oh yeah , yeah , that's right her and her family made a , made a tick tock video making fun of um , of uh , of um . You know , uh , oh , jesus , what do you call it ? He like , he , her , uh . Pronouns pronouns yeah , sorry , sorry I totally lost that word .

I remember that so she came out with an apology In air quotes Right , I think kids are young Boss would say , everybody's redeemable , and I know I was a horse's ass at that age Still trying to shake that stuff off .

But her apology was on her story which expired one day later , and it was like I'm , it was the I'm sorry if you were offended , if anyone's right , and so she just made the Olympic team and a lot of people are , you know they're like okay , the coach is gay , the players , okay the coach is gay , the players , you know it's historically been a bastion of

safety for gay women , um , and well , all kinds of queer people in every verse , because it's just been a safe place .

Uh , thanks a lot to the players and and to the , to the environment , and so , you know , you have people saying , well , who cares if she has these opinions as long as she's good at soccer , and other people say , like , no , I want to see a road back when michael vick did the dog stuff you saw his road back oh yeah , he meant it .

I always like to give them the benefit of the doubt , but a lot of people boo her whenever she gets on the field and stuff , and they will continue to until they see it and they and so what they say is her her condemnation of , of our lifestyle or the lifestyle of our friends and family .

If you're an ally , her , our lifestyle or the lifestyle of our friends and family if you're an ally . Um , her condemnation of that was was in the public space , so I need her reparations to be in the public space to show that , which is an interesting that's like a core value of mine , by the way .

The reason I bring all this up is because we want to see it with car me . Yeah , we just want to see . Okay , fine , yes , you know actions , not words . Man , don't tell me . A boss would say I don't care what you say you're going to do . Show me what you did , what did you do ?

And , um , god help us that we can quote boss and know her position on everything . That's very funny , boy . We've hung out with her way too much . Coach . Uh , we're gonna leave it . Oh , do you have something you want to finish with ?

So he went and he talked to kids and he said hey look , I screwed up . I did this . I grew up where I thought this was OK . It's not OK . So hopefully there are literally thousands of kids who , if they make that choice , they can never claim they never were given the information . That's not cool .

Right like he was trying to make the situation better , and I think you just helped me understand what I'm not feeling from karm . I kind of feel like he's apologizing on some not totally , but on some level to make his situation better , to make the restaurant work . And it's like , yo man , you , you hurt somebody who was literally saying I love you .

As you said , the hurtful things you need , the , the relationship needs to be the focus , not the thing . And actually now I'm jumping around and I I promise I will shut up .

I'm like okay , let's see how this goes for you , but everybody keeps saying non-negotiables , not , and I think there is a like . What the fuck like you know .

So I think part of why it's offensive , though , is you did all sorts of damage , wigging out blah , blah , blah , all blah , all the things , and the first thing that was on your mind , truly , was what are some new rules for the kitchen ?

And I could see where I would be like I don't give a fuck about not one dish that's going to go out of this kitchen right now . You can't do this .

Even to say how you gonna have a list that says non-negotiables and one of the non-negotiables is vibrant collaboration . I mean that's non-negotiable . Come on , bro , collaborate or die the beatings will continue until morale improves , like what the fuck you know ? Come on , so anyway , but we'll get into it more .

But yeah , I think I didn't until we started doing that , but it is , I would be offended If I'm somebody in this kitchen . I'm like , really , you were up all night and what you came back with is how the rest of us have to get our shit together . That's what you took out of that .

I am actively putting myself out there and letting folk know that , whether it's virtual or in person , it's something I've done , it's something I enjoy doing and I know and I say this from my heart , not as a matter of ego I know I've added value to places and to teams going in and engaging with them . So I want to make you aware of that .

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Um , I just feel lucky to be to bask in the glow of their reflected brilliance . I only , I only , hold a slight reservation for when coach tells me I'm wrong , which he does , like you know , like every every three hours or so . But but listen , that's why we all need our own trajectory and and we try to improve together .

Thank you everybody for listening today . Thank you for joining us in the absence of our greatest asset . Yes , she is on vacation , presumably eating edibles somewhere and ingesting delicious food . No , actually she went to the New York Ballet . That's where she was this vacation .

So I've been staying off , but I'm going to check and see what boss has been eating , because she's great at sharing that stuff . I'm trying to remember if she'll be back . I think she's out the next episode as well . Okay , but we will . It might just be listen Boys Town .

You know it's not smart when the two of us get together , but we do appreciate everybody joining us and and uh , listening to us . Dumb fuck our way through , uh , an episode of the bear . Thank you everybody for joining us for the bear season three , episode one . This is part two . We'll be back with part three , ideally to finish up the episode .

I think we can pull it off . Please support your local libraries and the written word . Raise better boys , everybody . Raise better boys . It'll help everybody and until next time , coach , we are .