Ted Lasso | S3 Ep8 Part1 "We'll Never Have Paris"

I still cannot get on board with those .

And then what that deals they'll show like a dance crew using 11 different types of dance , none of which I'm familiar with . But I just watch as a complete layman . I just stand back and I go holy mother of God , this is amazing . It's like the best thing I've ever . I look at it and I pull way back and I go I cannot believe humans .

This is something that happened with humanity Like once upon a time . We're just like spitball and bowls on cave walls , and now we have this synchronized amazingness And then there'll be like okay , that's the one you know , crew . Now here come , you know Brett and Mary , and it's two tap dancers And you're like Oh , okay , it's not it's not the same .

It doesn't play later on as a buddy cop thing . It plays like with today's eyes . You're just like oh , okay , should I follow . Yeah you should just jumped into bed and we wouldn't even need a movie , because that's what it's like . really , it's very different .

Yeah , anyway it was , but no , i still quote lines from Running Scared Wait , there's too much pepper in my puppet .

We're gonna get to a scene in episode eight where we it was like the Taft Hartley , everyone gets joined , the SAG kind of scene where everybody gets a line Here's a line for you and a line for you and a line for you when they're all going over the you know the yeah , whatever , the photo , photo bomb deal , photo release thing And I remember thinking , oh God

, like I identified , successfully identified the , the ancillary players , and I was like God , we've been doing this just a long time , coach .

. Sean Connery is in that as Agamemnon or something , or right , yeah , like yes .

We'll never have Paris written by Keely Hazel and Dylan Moran , and Keely Hazel has no , i believe no writing credits before this And at least on this show . Neither did Dylan Moran We talked about in the , in the , in the , the Rapid Response episode . This was our first rapid response . By the way .

This is when we said , okay , we're going to lose pace , we can't keep up with 96 hours of recording a week , and we just kind of hit this quickly .

There has been some criticism of this episode in that it was written by people who were uncredited before this , one of whom was I believe this is something I'm not really great at , but bosses , this was was Sudeikis dating Keely Hazel at some point or something ?

of penguins and it's terrible . So this episode is directed by Arka Dundton . We are going to go through and this is interesting because we're going to take a look at it from the perspective of now , the show being over and we know what's happening or what has happened .

If you're catching up with this episode via the deep dives at a later date than the air date of it , you might not know at your point what has happened If you're a new viewer to the Ted Lasso universe . So we will try to avoid talking about what comes after this episode , but we will come at it with that perspective . So we open in a side scroll .

It starts blurry , it keeps moving . As we unblur we see Higgins , keely and Rebecca standing and smiling and clapping . Rebecca can't seem to believe it . It seems like what coach says when the team is excellent . The personal lives are in the toilet . Usually We hear Arlo overtop Jamie Tarr collects .

He's been enriched with his unequivocal talisman today Love the word talisman . He finds Rojas and it's there . Crowd cheers . We have my ever-changing moves by the style council playing . We get a whistle blowing . Arlo overtop again . Richmond have beaten Aston Villa 3-0 with an offensive display and this is a scrolling through .

We're getting an overall sort of montage of all the great wins that are happening with AFC Richmond now that the lasso way and total football is clicking . Arlo says an offensive display . That's as dazzling as it is unfamiliar . Now we blur out and we blur out and blur back in . There's a tiny bit of speed . It's interesting .

The blurring was not uniform and the speed was not uniform . It like sped up and slowed down . It's obviously a choice . We arrive in the pub and you have PB&J and a packed house in the pub cheering their asses off . They're super excited . Pb&j are dancing , that's Paul Bass and Jeremy , for those uninitiated .

They're dancing and fist pumping and Mae has she's behind the bar with her fists raised in victory and elation . Arlo says overtop AFC Richmond , make it two decisive wins in a row . Southampton never knew what hit them . So far so good , boss , so far , no complaints . Okay , we blur out again and the tape speeds up Again .

Part of the side scroll , i think was trying to emulate a little film reel , is kind of the vibe I got with the speeding up and slowing down old school film . We blur out again all the way to black , still scrolling , and then we blur in to see Sith Lord Rupert Manian on his dark throne .

We hear Arlo overtop say bumper cash with a 95th minute winner over Tottenham . For those of you who forget , every soccer game or football game is 90 minutes and then a 95th minute winner would be in stoppage time , basically overtime , and Moe bumper catch with a rare tally . He's gonna have a good night with his friends after the Tottenham game .

Tottenham Hotspurs , one of the hottest teams in the league . Somebody on the Lasso staff hates the Hotspurs . I don't know who it is , possibly Brandon Hunt , i'm not really sure . But I know that they keep doing them dirty every time they're ranked and stuff . They just keep putting the spurs very low .

And I thought that coach Bishop might think yeah , this whole little season's about shit anyway , right , coach ?

And you have to think that no one is happier than coach Ted Lasso .

. Now we blur speed all the way to coach Ted Lasso's face And we slow down . And how does coach Ted , how does coach Ted Lasso showing his joy here , coach He looks like someone kicked then killed his puppy .

I was like God , have we seen this shot before ? It's about a foot and a half behind his head with a wider angle lens . We rack focus from his back and then we see over his left shoulder .

He is sitting across the table from Dr Jacob over his left shoulder and Michelle over his right shoulder And I was like this is when I started to do the show , doc , last week , and I saw this shot and I just I was like I don't think I'm emotionally prepared to do this .

So in this episode's defense , the two main plot lines are incredibly hard to address and also not super pleasant for the audience . Like , regardless of how well you're going to do this episode , the fact that it is a negative subject matter not negative in like it's dark , but negative is in everybody's kind of like .

Oh , nobody wants to watch Ted and Rebecca and Michelle and Dr Jake together right now . Nobody wants to see that . The people in the scene do not want to see that right now . Like the characters don't want this to happen 100% .

I was like , oh God , thank God , not my problem . But I will say that it can be difficult to see your former partner move on And we've talked on this show about how difficult transitions are and that sort of thing . And I appreciated at least the attempt of showing how to maturely transition and be an adult and be kind and curious and not judgmental .

And as as little as I wanted to see this , i did appreciate people playing nice , yeah .

He's been in a position more than once where he's needed to essentially ask of someone else on the team , or the code whatever , that they make room for something or someone that maybe wasn't that easy to swallow , and I think it's sort of cool to watch Ted live up to that . Like this wasn't just , like this isn't just .

You know , hey , what's up with your weird breakfast cereal ? I mean , this is a real thing And beyond it being just all right , you know she's dating someone There's a reason why it's weird for him to just say Jake .

And the fact that , even with that element of this , that it's Dr Jacob and blah , blah , blah that he's still handling it well , i thought was extra impressive . Well , let's not forget that the last time .

So we hear like a whoosh noise , sounds like an exterior door closing , we hear we transition away from the music to sort of internal diner music kind of thing . Ted smiles , he forces like a sort of pain smile And he says what boss ?

It is a lasso , ism right , but it's still , you know he's making the best of it .

else , and then you throw in something that's so obviously super surface level , not that interesting to say . It would have shown him in his emotional state more . I feel like part of the problem with earlier writing issues I had is that it didn't create enough of a distance between Ted on his game and Ted off his game .

That is interesting , i think that's a really good point .

one . So it is tough to live up to that standard Absolutely .

It's my favorite thing that's happened in a really long time . I have written about it . I will talk about it more .

Rather than saying like , oh , this is not tour that I'm so fascinated by , it's like , oh , no , no , they're just different rules and different pacing and different cadences and different expectations .

And so you just say it feels very alien sometimes And you go , oh , this is like , this is fascinating , it's a real glimpse into a personal life of a entirely different nation . But love that , i think it's great . I have not seen season two yet . Quick question And this goes out to our listeners as well .

I know that when Ted Lasso ended , i felt wounded and I was grieving and I just felt a sense of loss And my natural reaction was to start to watch shows . This is why I showed you guys the one with the 10 seconds where coach said this is a little dark for our audience , man , but now , boss has gone to a beloved show .

I have gone and back and watched a few beloved shows . Coach , have you done anything like that ?

So he and Michelle laugh She knows his cadences and she knows when he's nervous . And Jake smiles politely in the kind of glances at Michelle which it was a directorial choice by Arke Duntin I really liked , yeah , i just really liked it . The him like looking to Michelle for whatever , really it just roused me up .

Ted says and you know , i want to say it's been nice to get to re-meet you , dr Jacob to which Jake says what coach ?

You know , like whenever you hear , when I hear white folks call Jay-Z Jigga-Man , you know , and I was like , oh geez , i didn't know .

You know , i joke around a lot of women on social media and like there are times that the conversation takes off and they start talking about fuck boys and whatever , and I'm like I am officially sitting this one out . See you guys next time . Yes , yes , exactly .

So Michelle has a kindness of spirit here where she says oh , or like when you see a priest wearing shorts , you know she jumps in with him , she doesn't just ice him out , which I appreciated one of the very few things I appreciate for Michelle in the entire run of series . He says yeah , exactly , weird , you know .

Or when you get pulled over by a cop who's the same age as you , you're like come on , man , be cool , what are we doing here ? You know . And he's directly talking to Michelle , because if you look at Jake in this scene , jake has checked out . He's like what ? Like ? he's like awkward and uncomfortable .

It wasn't that Rupert thought it was a bad joke , which frankly it was It was that Rupert didn't even understand that there was a joke happening . I thought that was the key to that moment And to me it was kind of like if they just both turn and were like hey , jake , don't feel left out , what's your example ? Like he would have been 100% stumped .

He doesn't know what the fuck's going on at all right now with the two of them .

so this is again a choice from the , from the show runners , from the staff , to show two different colored magnets and an Ola's matchbox cover , which which might portend something that at this point we don't know if it is meant to be or not , and I know certainly that this moment really elevated the hopes of some of the various Ted Beckett truthers in the world

. But ultimately Ted does not have change . Jake then checks oh , maybe I do , let me see . no , i got a pocket full of American coins and complimentary sleep mask that did not fit because I have a huge head .

I have a you know how big your head has to be for a , for a one size fits all sleep mask to not make it over the over your melon .

Like she's up at the crack of dawn , right The break of break And then she works till what two am I'm like , when do pubs close ? When you were out there , boss , trying to stock Brendan Hunt , did you find the ? do you remember what time the pubs were open to ?

I believe that I got home sometime around 1 am because all of the places to eat were closed and I eventually had to wake up at eight the next morning and run out to the McDonald's down the street because I was like I need something , some food , inside here right now .

I'm like okay , the place , the pub across the street , that is a real pub , will they be open and give me chips ? They said that they would be , and then when I got there they were closed . What I tried to do was just go to sleep and deal with it in the morning .

In the morning my stomach was like , if you make me get up right now , you would better put some potato products inside of me , because otherwise I am not moving anywhere . The only thing that was open at that time was the McDonald's . I got two hash browns and a diet Coke and then I went out for breakfast later . This was a temporary stop .

Here . I thought you just couldn't be too long without a McRib .

I really need more of a deep dive on May because sometimes she's just weird and sometimes she's really tribal and really close-minded and kind of an asshole which probably boss really likes about her And sometimes she's inspiring . Sometimes she gives you the speech you need when you need to hear it , like all the best bar keeps .

But when she says nothing's impossible to Ted , I'm like , oh , okay , like I'm not sure this is the exact . I'm sitting here across from my ex-wife and her new boyfriend . I'm not sure I need the Invictus moment right now . Invictus , Thank you , I guess . Thanks for quoting Nelson Mandela before you actually dropped the fucking hash browns .

Okay , Jake May dips and Jake says I should wash my hands because I touched dirty money . I'm a hand wash guy , Ted , Boss . You can't see boss .

I remember , because I have a son who is very , very He's a lot of a hand washer because he can't , he just hates the feeling of sticky fingers or what it's like , a sensory kind of thing . So maybe it's not specifically OCD , but it's a cousin And I remember growing up and having that same thing and what broke me of it was being broken of it .

I had to work with motor oil on cars with my family . Oh yeah , good one , you know what I'm saying . Like , what are you going to do ? I couldn't wash every couple It just You know there would have been physical violence had I tried to jet out and clean up . So yeah , so Jake is a hand washing guy .

The thing that struck me about it as a little I'm like , okay , this is nice , he's just being honest and whatever . If I'm trying to be curious and not judgmental . I say , okay , i'm glad he just explained it . He could have been like I touch your money , peace and whatever .

But he says , oh , i'm a hand washed guy , ted , and I'm like , okay , that's him trying to just whatever . But also the part of me that is , i guess , me and the part of me that hangs out with boss too much , is like give a fuck bro .

I mean , they did their job right , but yeah , i can't stand him and pretty much every time he breathed in or out I was like fuck that guy .

He couldn't have said anything . My friend is a auto mechanic and he was working in this really high end auto shop with a bunch of other sort of real blue collar tough guys , and this was in Arizona at the time And I remember him telling me a story where he was .

They were working and it's outside They have to have the garage bay doors open and it's 110 degrees and they're working like you know it's just exhausting and hot metal and you know it's just whatever .

And then the guy that , like the , basically the manager , comes in from the office and he brings in he wheels in two huge coolers full of ice , cold Gatorade , just like all different flavors of Gatorade full of ice .

And he's like guys , i know it's hot out here , i brought you some Gatorade and he had gone and paid for them himself , like it wasn't corporate budget . It was like those guys must be fucking hot out there . And my buddy this is his name is Tim . We call him Timmy . Timmy's reaction to this guy bringing Gatorade was fuck you .

He's like I don't know , but fuck him . I'm like , fuck him .

yes , everyone on the , everyone you're driving with , is opposition . We're not in this together on the roads in Massachusetts , you are a competitor . So , yeah , it's a whole , it's a , it's a whole thing . But anyway , jake is sorry for that , that dalliance , but Jake really couldn't have said anything here that would have satisfied any of us .

And so he takes off and Michelle says yeah , and she says he's a hand wash guy Like and Ted , you know that . Yeah , go ahead , boss .

So I felt a little like wait , who's on whose side ? now ? She seems to be getting along with Ted , but is he getting along with her new friend here ?

And he says he does this other little thing that I like where he's like well , better safe than sorry , you know like , and I'm like it's so generous , i think , yeah , he doesn't roll his eyes , he can only put a joke in quotes there .

But he just says better safe than sorry , which is very kind and generous . I thought She says yeah , right , are you sure you're not hungry ? No , no , i'm good . I've been a big old piece of cereal at home , which we know was that big fucking Weetabix , i think it was . She says , ok , besides , you know , english breakfast me .

Just a pile , just a pile of a bunch of tiny little piles , you know , but please help yourself . You're going to need your strength hacking around that English countryside . And then what is Michelle say here , boss , Oh yeah , about that .

I really want to flip this table That's not a very Ted lasso thing to do So like I could almost feel like the angry him , like giving him giving the Flanders version of him the strut sign , you know , like you would do from the side of the stage . We're not ready yet . Just keep it going . You know how many Paris's , all those Paris's ?

because he just this definitely knocked him off his square , as they say .

Michelle is looking at him . She's so super , super awkward She just goes to start digging into her food and we roll to the opening title sequence . This is pretty good for us guys . We're roughly just under an hour in getting to the title sequence . That's good , especially on this episode . you wouldn't think this episode , i thought we might do it in one .

but we end up with an establishing shot of a contemporary two-story bungalow and we're in bed with Jack and Keely coming out of the credits . because , boy oh boy , nothing helps you wet your whistle after Michelle and Dr Jake than Jack in bed with Keely . Jack , you know . Jack says , you know , i think hooking up with you just might be my favorite thing ever .

Actually , coach and boss , yes , i'm fighting a like a , trying not to upchuck . So would you read Keely ? Why don't you read Keely , coach , you're much more of a Keely than then bosses and boss , you are much more of a Jack than coaches . So , but in the best ways , not in the real Jack ways .

So why don't you guys just read through this , and I will stop you when if I'm able to control my regurgitation- Got it .

What was that ? What was her first favorite ? I don't know .

I give it to you , but I actually on shrinking , which is Bill Lawrence's other TV show on Apple right now they have a discussion about how there aren't good words for female arousal , that we don't get boners , that there's like there's all this , there are some terms , but there isn't anything where a woman could say like , what is the equivalent of woman saying

I've got a boner ? One of my least favorite things is that the TV show Archer , dr Krieger one time says stop , my penis can only get so erect . And it's the thing that I use , the , the GIF on Twitter that I use when something is really , really great And there's no female equivalent of that .

Where is Cheryl shouting like stop , my vagina could only become so engrossed , or whatever it is Like ?

that's part of a lag language wise .

Right , i'm going to get that . Yes , and you say out loud sploosh , or you think sploosh ?

You have to say it was orange when you go through There's little things that I don't know . I just thought everyone did this . That's fine , that's fine , all right , yeah , there goes my boner . I'm really I'm going to have a hard time . The lingering thing I'm going to love about this episode is Boss saying sploosh whenever she parallel parks her mouth .

That's fucking great . I will tell you that I was on a date one time talking about how the inequity in words . I was on a date . It was going fantastically well . I was driving .

There was an absolutely lovely person , a girl , in the front seat next to me and we had the windows open and it started to rain and I said to her oh shit , are you getting wet ? And she said not getting .

I think it's important to discuss our failures as well as our success , but that that moment certainly feels like a victory , right ?

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So if your dad , his uncle , his best friends with Bernard , whoever are , know , all you need if you're a Keeley Jones is to go on the arm of Jack or go as a friend , and then you know , ideally , your personality has a chance to win the day . But those doors are closed to the vast , vast majority of people .

When you do get through the door which I have at certain times in my life you will be oftentimes stunned at the level of boredom and uninterestingness of the people who are inside the castle . You just go , wait a sec . These are the like . Are you shitting me Like ? you can just be .

If you have any personality whatsoever , you become a fucking hero , because these people are just exhausted by the same old , same old , and anybody with a differing perspective is fascinating , and I think of so many times where I was in these situations where I'm like God , they just don't .

You know , it's a difference between Rebecca and Keeley saying like , oh , you're one of the people that names things . And I said I would just like the people that name things . I don't can't imagine being one of the people that doesn't you know like that has . Do you remember that conversation they had ?

Yeah , anyway , it just feels like to me Keeley Jones Keeley fucking Jones is so vibrant and amazing . Jack Danvers , in my opinion opinion , is slightly less so . She's interesting , but she's not Keeley Jones level interesting And but she has the keys to the castle . So in this , moment .

right To meet my new girl . It was to see it Like I got . like maybe I got a new car , maybe I got a new purse , maybe I got new shoes , or maybe I got a new girlfriend .

When she opens up this scene by saying , oh , this is my favorite thing ever or whatever , i'm like how many times have you said that ? It's just like , not authentic at all . I was like whatever , just on behalf of Keely , as Keely's self-appointed personal protector , i felt anger and I just wanted to be like , no , like , just be honest with me .

Like this is . I know this is your thing . I know this is how you chatter with whatever new fling you have when you buy companies to bed their owners , but it just the whole thing . Yeah , okay , so we get to this point here . Does she need another fake niece , which is adorable ? I was very invested in Keely's excitement .

I just wanted to have good things , even though she's a fake character on a fake show , i was just invested in her happiness . Right , i just wanted to have . I think she deserves to be there . In the words of William , money and Unforgiven deserves . Got nothing to do with it , but when you stand there and you value someone , you want them to have nice things .

So we're at this moment And that's when Jack we've talked about this before in other episodes Anytime you can ask him yourself tomorrow , that's very cool , before anything gets too serious , what does Jack do , boss ? What's her go to move ? anytime Any real conversation might happen .

I'm like okay , somebody on the team hurt , is everybody okay ? So that's my . I was like why did I have that reaction ? Is Roy okay ? You know our people ? is everybody okay ? I didn't know what the . I thought it was team based and this would be a work related thing for Keely . That was my first reaction . Now , again , season three , episode eight .

We'll never have Paris where we've scaled Mount Jacob and Michelle , we have weathered the plateau of Keely and Jack . So what more fitting of a scene could we have than in bed , with Nate and Jade as the next thing ? So again , this is whether you agree or not , it doesn't . We're not trying to malign the show .

I certainly think it's a masterpiece and I love it , but I will say that , based on our polls , based on online reactions , based on everything , these are some of the least interesting , or least the subplots that people were the least invested in . So your heart bleeds for the Keely Hazels and Dylan Moran's who have to write about them .

You know , right in a row , to try to check , check , check , check , check . Get some boxes checked in order to get to more important fare . So , coach , walk us through the scene as we cut to a shot over Nate's right shoulder , with him in bed with Jade .

Jade says your breath smells good , which Nate says thank you . And she said did you go off and brush your teeth and then sneak back into bed ? Yeah , yeah , i did . He laughs and she exhales on his face Does my breath smell awful ? And she and he says yeah , it does . And he starts laughing Yeah , it's quite , it is quite bad .

I thought you would at least enjoy , if not enjoy the , you know , whatever the context of the scene , but I thought you would like the moment about Jade being real .

happens . There was definitely a period in college in my early twenties where it was like we're all disgusting and smell bad and beer is leaking out of every pore of our bodies because we're children who are doing nonsense .

But no , now as adults it's you get up and you brush your teeth , and then you could fool around if you want to , but you get up and you brush your teeth . I did actually like a little bit that . usually it's reversed . I think it was Marvelous , mrs Maisel , where it showed her getting into bed with her husband with her hair and makeup fully on .

Yes , full makeup and then she gets out to like do her night routine and then get into bed and then does it the same thing in reverse in the morning . So I did like that . At least the guy this time was like I'm going to make sure I smell good .

So I thought I thought there was a little bit more wrapped up in that for Nate as a character that , yeah , like we're past that part man , i just spent the night at your apartment .

He says it's quite bad when she breathes in his face . He says look . So would you want to go grab some breakfast ? I don't know if you got plans or what . She says no , breakfast sounds good . He says you know , i don't have any meals planned with anybody else in the foreseeable future , so he's sitting here just obsessing about what this means .

He says I don't know , do you ? she says no , i don't . She's super casual , doesn't like ? none of this is interesting . You know like she's not rattled all by this . So if someone were to ask about us , what terminology which best recommend describes our relationship , there's no pressure to label us , you and I , and she says all right , she just grabs that .

She's silent until there's an old tactic in negotiation where just don't talk and eventually the person will start to capitulate and come back into the boat . She just waits till she gets something she can agree with and says , all right , there's a lot of power and silence . Nate says yeah , yeah , no , cuz I'm just cool and just cool and casual . Just .

She says me too . Wait , did you shave ? He says yeah , yeah , shaved and showered and he used after I use . The toilet in the next door is flat . Mm-hmm . She says weird .

It's weird , she's super weird . And then , like after a few minutes she's like I have to take a shit and I can't do it in your apartment , so I'm going to go down to the Dunkin Donuts . I have never been that woman . That is not a thing that I am ever going to do and at this stage .

It's now like I pee with the door open in front of too many people . There are too many people in my life that I'm like . This is comfortable and fine .

It's okay to poop in the same apartment as your partner , like , if you can put parts of your body into parts of their body , you can use the bathroom , it's fine .

But I will say that , yeah , nate is still . It is well written in that you see that there's some discomfort with him and she's very comfortable . Jade is very comfortable with who she is and so it gives you that trajectory where he could be , he could learn something . She unabashedly urinates and he says , wow , because he just marvels at that .

I actually have that exact same reaction . People just like , yeah , like whatever . Like one of my friends wrote a great short script and he shot it . It was called pissing quietly And it sounds like a joke , but it was really good .

It was like when you're a dude and you don't , you just like , kind of shoot , aim for the side of the bowl instead of like the center And because you don't want anyone to know about your flow or your whatever . And I was like , oh , this is really interesting , like what is this ?

It was just like a short film , but it was really good and really really smart . And , yes , i like the reversal of gender stuff and I like that . I'm a Polish woman , just boom , i don't . This is what this is . What is what I got ? now ?

we on Nate's while we shift back to Keely and she is what we're doing , boss , here is we're looking on the phone and we're seeing the video . They got released , and can you walk us through this a little bit ?

Obviously her chair is going to be pink wearing a big fur coat , sitting backwards on the chair so that as she lays down on the bed you can sort of tell that she is in fact Making a video for a sex partner . So it's graphic . We don't actually don't see that much of it , but it is heavily implied .

She masturbated on camera , sent it to one of her partners . I would also like to point out that criminal by Fiona Apple is playing in the background . That song is ironic . I need everybody to know that when she says I've been a bad girl , she doesn't mean it .

Like there's a generation of women who listen to the song when you're teenagers and thought , oh , it's about a woman who's done . It's not . It's about a woman who was saying like , oh , yes , no , i did a very , very bad thing . I'm so super sorry everybody .

I really am so sorry , i offended you and she does not fucking mean it , and that is why we still love the song 20 years later . It's fucking phenomenal .

I'll take your word for it .

And I , just like principal people , she seems she's just just like her . Just like her , i've been kicked by a bad bit of girl . I've been careless with a delicate man , boss , this sounds like something . Sounds like something you might have tattooed on your on your derriere .

He says a Jack says Keeley , stop , take a breath . Jack is actually very calming and she's she . I think she does a good job in the scene as a partner and as someone watching some , someone spiral and if she's a calming and influence , which is good , to her credit . The Jack says I'm so sorry this is happening , it's going to be okay .

And then she says I'm going to take care of it , okay .

So it's interesting that Jack makes this specific promise here .

She's raised her family and now is she going back into the professional world or what does she need to do with herself ? and my advice for anybody who is a partner of a woman in that position is just do the fucking laundry . Like just take care of the schedule for a week .

Like giving her some time to take care of herself rather than take care of everything else is all that you need to do for her , because it is unfortunately kind of rare that somebody else steps into the role of managing a household and scheduling the kids and everything that needs to go away , and women predominantly still handle all of that .

So just like stepping in and actually taking care of something . Start to finish fucking huge . If you do that once a month , you're above and beyond anybody .

I said just gave Jack a lot of credit because I thought she did a great job comforting keely and calming her down . I always tell you that one of the main jobs of a parent is to tell kids it's going to be okay .

The difference in the thing I did not like about this is that Jack said I'm going to make it okay , and I hate when people make promises that they cannot possibly deliver on because I think it's manipulative and I think it sucks . And so , like I liked everything , jack said I'm so sorry this is happening , it's going to be okay Right up to that point .

I'm going to take care of it , because we find out later . Also , the keely is like oh , you're going to take it , like I will take this down , i will make this go away , because I am a billionaire or the daughter of a billionaire , and I think that's how keely took it . I think that's why she felt a little bit better , like , okay , this is this will .

We have Will and Henry and we have this little scene where now , if I remember correctly from the rapid reaction , i thought this was Will doing Ted a solid , saying Hey , but hey , you know , ted saying well , can you look after Henry , just include him and whatever .

And I think you guys thought , oh , this was Will sort of mischievously having a kid do his work for him .

and I was like , oh god , it never occurred to me that Until until this intelligent , smart person that listens to the show pointed that out to me and ruined it . So thank you , smarty pants . You're 100% right . I mean in that way , right ? Why does he have to consistently like when he's whatever ? Obviously it's . you don't want to , we don't want to minimize .

you know what Trent is . There's a fabric to his personality he's got you know , like anyone else , that faculty is gay , is not ? That ain't the headline . instead would say it's just that he's a human and he has as much depth as anyone else .

charcoal , gray , not black , whatever , right , i saw it more as who brings color in and who doesn't Just sort of as like a character like keely is always gonna have some interesting color stuff going on pink and red . you know I'd be like he's just doing keely things and she can wear any color .

So I thought I took it more in that direction of maybe he was a little bit more realized in some of the other characters , but You can't get around the fact that he is , you know who he is , and that that is most certainly a rainbow mug .

The news oh shit , wait , did I didn't call out the news ? oh no , i did , i did . This is the music actually . Was that since , since poppy kind of , i don't know , just generic instrumental stuff . The music then stops As they , as the three coaches turn , or Trent and the two coaches turn , back to reality , nothing boss . We're not made for each other .

Huh , you got to say oh there goes gravity . I mean , i'm just saying , like this is when you said That's funny . Oh . What was the thing the other day ? Oh ?

Beard barks into the phone , roy slams the door And Trent is confused here . Coach , what is what is ? this is all new for Trent .

Now Higgins comes blasting and panting about to give himself a heart attack , says sorry , i came as fast as I could . Beard says take your time . Ted says hey , we appreciate your expediency . And Higgins says oh , i got a bit lightheaded . He's trying to get his balance back . Okay , i'm okay . Beard says first order of business , new member .

They all bark And Trent waves awkwardly He doesn't know really what's going on . Still . Beard says coach , you have the floor , to which Ted says Dr Jacob and Michelle are getting engaged . And Higgins says oh , it's a hard moment when the next moves on . Ted says Higgins says to the least , ask your permission . And what does Ted say here , boss ?

And Higgins says Ted , i ran down the stairs for this and up some other stairs , like I'm gonna have made me laugh also . I'm gonna have to , i'm gonna have leg cramps in my sleep tonight , like okay , hold on a second . Now this is happening . All right , my man took Michelle to Paris on a surprise trip . Why else would he do that ?

And Trent says what here , coach ?

You're right , Of course , Thank you , Hey , Okay . So in this moment Ted is saying thank you and he says he's okay , but he's not okay . And he and this was not closer for him And I thought this was interesting in that the whole point of the Diamond Dogs is to help you figure things out .

Wasn't it very God complex and superior of Ted Lasso to listen to what everybody said and then still not find a way to be okay , to accept it ?

And because even someone as like Roy has benefited from this , or you know well , no , not necessarily specifically Roy from the Diamond Dogs , but like Nate Higgins beer , like you know , they've all had their moments where they've sort of it's been enough for them And this was not enough for to . He didn't have closure here .

Like I think I hear what you're saying and he probably could have soaked it in a little bit more . Also , the thing that he's not being is present . I mean , another way to say find out before you flip out is be present . So he got caught looking back for over a season and now he's looking forward and tripping himself up , but it's all about being present .

Yeah , just the fact that it is something that might happen means things are different for him now . So I think he's actually dealing with the fact that she could go and get in the age to somebody else and there's nothing he could do about it . Yeah , not that he could .

I mean , things have changed for him because he had the realization that that could be possible .

or you're laboring under the false pretense that you and Michelle are ultimately going to get back together , because otherwise , what ? like ? why is this a present concern for you ? Are you still holding like there was no depth to the analysis , in the same way that I think Ted provides for other people ?

You know it's like the note behind the note or you know good idea hiding behind a couple of bad ones . Like what is really behind this is Ted is freaking out about the finality of Michelle is going to be gone , right ? Isn't that what's behind this ?

It does not appear that you will be reconciling . Definitely it's time to move on . But them saying that to him won't make it happen . That doesn't make it true .

If they pointed it out to him , he might have some additional insight into that , but it feels like because he wants to be in a place where there's a possibility that he and Michelle get back together , just them pointing that out isn't going to be very effective .

else . One thing I'm sure I've mentioned this on previous episodes , but on season one I think I talked about it But sometimes when I'm making a decision with Juliana , I'll sit back . She's about , I don't know , 30 or 40 times smarter than I am , But she's like one of those analysis paralysis people where she just really does her homework .

I wouldn't say she gets paralyzed by it , But we have a really good working relationship in that I will listen to the analysis And then she really appreciates when I'm just a stupid stone golem And I go , we're going to do it And I just kick the door open .

But one of the funny things with her analysis is you listen to it And then you realize you made your decision a week ago . You just don't know it yet . You can't hear that the decision has been made .

Yes , And it's simple for me because I'm like I already know I have every single angle on this And sometimes with a situation like this with Ted , you go hey man , you're still pining away from Michelle . What's behind that ? Let's unpack this a little bit . And I specifically chose unpack because I remember how happy it makes coach .

When Ted first met Rebecca and used that verb , coach was like God damn , what's this show ? What is this ?

Then he asked Roy gets a fuck you , all right . Well , daven Dogs , dispersed them , they all , how ? and then Trent says what boss Wolf ? Yeah , he does like a little cute , like little one wolf , And I was like , oh , that's cute . Then I got in there . I started thinking like , oh yeah , if they all got to personify themselves as different types of dog .

I was making fun of coach yesterday on the phone . I was talking to coach And this is a true story . I called him up And he was like , if you're going to hear some soothing dog music behind me , i'm like what the fuck are we talking Now ?

we've talked about it in in on other episodes , i know , but for those of you who are new to the podcast , coach used to be mortally terrified of all dogs . Like all dogs , i used to have a big ass 120 pound German Shepherd named Zuka because I have a just a remarkably small penis , so I just got a giant dog to come .

It's just my Porsche , that's all it is . No , no , zuka was the best boy in the world . He was great . I didn't actually choose him , he was he was a sort of a long story , but anyway , best dog in the world . I had him for 15 years and haven't had a dog since because I don't know if I can cope with the amount of loss I felt .

But in the old days when I met coach 25 or plus years ago , he was so scared of dogs and he couldn't function And Zuka helped . His proximity to Zuka and feeding Zuka for the first time with a trembling hand and Zuka gently taking a little dog treat out of his hand started something that has now become me not having a dog years later .

And , coach , i'm calling him up and he is so in love with Biggie Smalls that he's got like soothing dog music on in the background . And this is real , this is real , this is really his life And I just can't . I'm like .

I know there are a lot of things I could have predicted in this world and never in a billion years would I have thought he would become . And then he told me you know , i just realized , coach , you say it , you say you're gonna say it better than .

I thought , because when we got the first dog , you know whatever it was And now we've got Biggie and I'm like you know , i pick him up and he wants to go swim And I was like I think this is like kind of my deal , like I , you know , i like I'll protect your little buddy , and I pick him up , we go , we , you know whatever , i'm trading them do his

little tricks And I think , yeah , i think I'm just a little dog guy . He's not 10 pounds yet And I don't know if he'll ever be 10 pounds . He sure eats , but he still was eight pounds last time we took him to a vet .

Oh my God , it's so , so , so exciting And so like . I think I'm just naturally sort of a big dog kind of guy . It was weird . It's anytime there's personification or animal connections . I heard something two days ago .

I've been told listeners how I've been getting ready for my daughter's a , my daughter's graduation party , and I've done a ton of work on the house and I have this , this painter that's been helping me and then that's , my neighbor is a plumber . And so the weirdest thing happened the other day .

I was picking up some lumber and I heard that these tradesmen who kind of know each other from other jobs , that the carpenter in the plant sorry , the painter and the plumber they had worked together 10 or 12 years ago . So they were kind of catching up .

and I was walking by with some some lumber on my shoulder And I heard one of them say look at this guy , he's a fucking bull . And the other guy goes yeah , he is a bull , he's a bull . And I was like I am being like how do I feel about this ? Like okay , like it's such a weird thing when people you know like that's you know .

I well I shouldn't say because I'm not necessarily in on conversations with women would do anything nearly equivalent , but I do feel like there's a guy component , like as a coach , i've said to somebody like listen , if he's got the horses I might win , but if I got the horses I'm definitely going to win , right right , but like the horses , like what are you

talking about ? Maybe the horses , but it just yeah , like I don't know where this language started or whatever , but yeah , it's a thing That's funny . I totally see the bull thing for you . That's very funny .

It was just weird to be to have someone else pick what animal you are . You know what I mean , like overhearing it . Anyway , this is a Ted Lasso podcast . So we're going to get back to Trent saying woof . And that was what I went started this whole thing . He's like woof , this is just like sweet little thing .

And I was like , oh , trent's a little dog guy Like coach , he's just like a , he just wants , he wants love .

Now we cut to the West Ham Shield Mighty West Ham And we it's just a shot where we descend from the shield to a terrified Roger , if you remember . How do we know Roger at this point ? It's so hard to remember what we've seen .

Nate says , though that's okay , thank you for coming , just take a seat . Thank you , we're just waiting on one more . So Roger moves over from the center of the couch It's like a love seat two-seater And Disco sits next to him , just waiting for one more . There's awkward silence .

Disco clears his throat , wondering what's going on , to which Roger asks instead of am I in trouble ? now Roger asks what boss ?

And so yeah , coach , listen , this is such a difficult episode for the writers , difficult for everyone , because again these are scenes that are nearly impossible to pull off as a writer . Hard to act , hard to write , hard to keep the attention . I mean , we haven't seen , except for the opening montage .

we're not directly in the AFC Richmond universe right now , We're sort of in the outer rim . But he says I'll call and , coach , walk us through this please .

So I mean , is he busy ? No , click , wow . Ouch , i mean you talk about no respect .

It's weird enough that he called them to his office to have this discussion , like we talked about it in the deep , in the rapid response , but like not understanding the difference between having an office that's opening enough open enough that people would stop by and want to come talk and hang out and that Higgins would be down there anyway , and then you could

start talking about the Diamond Dogs because you are in the room together , whereas this is what happens when you try to force it , when you invite people in one at a time in order to have a special meeting , because you were using your position of authority over them to make them come .

And , of course , to your boss , the owner isn't going to come down to whatever meeting . This is because he doesn't have to listen to you And you weren't setting up a situation where people are coming to talk . You are making them come talk to you , and then it's awkward as shit .

He likes to fidget and I knew that , so I would have my desk like it was right by the corner of my desk where my door was . I had an office and he was in the cube farm , but he would walk by all the time And I would anytime . I saw something that I thought he might fidget with .

Like one of my really good ones was a really long bolt with a nut on the end And it was like probably I don't know like a yeah , yeah , i could just make it , That's exactly right . So I just brought it in and it was like a nice clean new bolt with a nut on it And I just stuck .

I stood it straight up on the corner of my desk and Timmy comes walking by . It's like calling , it's like caffeine . He just smells it , he's like what . It comes in and starts talking and spinning the nut . But that's the . You know you build a relationship or workplace like that with that type of culture .

Yeah , people walk in and they feel welcome and they feel invited . This is a scene where I mentioned and I think I mentioned this in the rapid reaction where very , very rare instance of me as a diehard beloved Ted Lasso truther and acolyte for the Lasso way saying , yeah , i don't fucking buy this at all , i just don't . It's too , it's too .

How ludicrously out of touch do you have to be to think Rupert Manian would take any like ? and so , okay , i will go along with it because this is the show , this is what we do . But this one was tough . This pushed the edges of credibility for me And , yeah , rupert doesn't go ahead . Sorry , coach .

Football is about , you know , somebody moves . We go in like the like it's , yes , it's positionalist , but that doesn't . It's not chaos And and and right now it feels like nobody's quite where they're supposed to be , right , you know , like Nate's taking a crap next door , then he's whatever , calling Rupert to his office . Let's say Rupert did show up .

Like the best thing that ever happened to him is . Rupert didn't show up , he was going to sit in a room with Rupert Manian and suggest that they become a group of guys who meet semi regularly under the name Lovehounds to discuss their emotional lives . What Yeah ?

So because later in the movie he has the one perfect day with Andy McDowell and everything goes right And it's all sort of naturally they like all of a sudden they're in a snowball fight and everything ends up being perfect . And then the following day he tries to recreate it and it's so awkward and off-putting because he's trying too hard .

Nothing is coming organically .

And then this where it's like you're doing everything wrong , everything all right .

Oh man , it doesn't matter , like whatever , But it just happens to be that there's the women take a disproportionate amount of the home , home , home side work that you know , jump in and help And that just that's just all about being in sync .

If you can anticipate what your partner needs and then get there before your partner does , so that when your partner shows up and goes , God damn , this is done like stem to stern , like this whole fucking thing is done , It is . it is so rewarding as a partner and in a relationship .

and when you can get to that point and it goes both ways , that is really , really wonderful . And you're right , coach , to point out that exactly what is not happening here at West Ham Yeah , we get the boy . This is rough . Just the intro of Nate sitting on his desk .

it's fine , don't worry , I guess it's just us then , for the very first meeting of the drum roll , please . Like they're looking at him , like he's great , Like disco . we find out disco . like when they first intro disco , my reaction to him was , oh , just because my name is Disco's , I mean like the party . I was like , okay , what is that ?

But is he gonna be fun ? They chose them in disco form . I'm like , okay , maybe he'll be fun , But he is like he is grosser than gross , Like he is really unlikable Lovehounds . and then he howls Well , that's so . I'm like what . It's like a really bad English office episode if you watch the David Brett character where you're just like your stomach tightens .

It was Ricky Gervais in that role before it was brought to America And oh , you guys were In the prequel . Yeah , no wait , it wasn't prequel , it was a prequel .

I guess it was prequel , i guess it was yeah , anyway , god damn it . Anyway , it was that type of torturous cringe where you go oh god , this is so , so rough to watch . I thought that we men could . Did you look it up , boss ? Did you see what it was ?

And Rodgers says oh , okay , well , i'd love to talk about the stresses of taking care of my aging parents , to which Nate says what boss .

I mean it was like whatever And nothing was . I embarrassed that I wrote that book , yes , but But it got me paid .

it makes sense . So someone like Roger , who seems to be a little bit on the outside and trying to figure things out , might think it's cardinal law .

We have been , at the very least , aware of , even when we've chosen not to consume it A pretty steady diet of versions of if you like a woman , you should insult her . It's taken different forms .

It's not always quite that like yikes flashing lights , but I feel like I've been given , over the course of my life , an unbelievable amount of horrific advice , just like looking back and also thinking about who I was listening to . Like would I want my life to turn out like him ? No , but he was outside on the block at the same time .

I was , and he was older than me , so I listened And you know . So it's yeah , the world is not filled with diamond-dog opportunities .

but I'm like she's minding her motherfucking business , going to the store , going about her business . You know what I mean . But now she's talking to you and I'll never forget one of my buddies and I thought it was bold what he did it .

but yikes , he decided to put his arm around And she was I mean , she was the very least like early 20s , like she was like older than older than us , and he decided to get off this car and go put his arm around her and say whatever he said . he got slapped And I remember us all just being like , oh , you know what I mean And you know he .

and looking back I'm like thank God , like in a way , that woman probably saved him and the rest of us just a little bit , because we were like at least we know that is an option and not everybody is here for this bullshit .

It's just that he was so excited about the love hounds for getting that he and the rest of the group came up with the Diamond Dogs together , and also that this new group doesn't know that the Diamond Dogs was a thing , so they have no idea how clever it is that he had this play on those words Like all of it is just all of it . All of it , right .

. Only that , and also that Disco considers himself an expert because he's been divorced three times . He doesn't say I got three women to marry me and this is how you treat them well . He was like , don't tell him anything . Divorce is expensive .

Roger was like whew , what a relief , because I've been carrying this thing around about my parents And Nate so doesn't get it . He's still me , me , me , me , me .

Well , i'm glad that we've all sort of agreed on the validation of a one size fits all operating manual for how to woo women , and I think we can all agree that that's something that exists And it's a pretty good idea , ok , so I think the thing that actually , as we move on , nate says , ok , this meeting's over and it'll probably never happen again I actually

found myself really liking Roger in this thing and the fact that he got shut down Yeah , he's my favorite person at West Ham . Yeah , it made it much worse that how Nate shut him down and the manner in which he did it , and it was just like him ignoring the woman on the escalator who was like good morning , coach Shelly .

And he just went by And I'm like he did so much more damage to the character in my eyes than I think that the writing staff realized . I think they thought , oh , this will be funny . Maybe sometimes this is the thing , but sometimes you're on a writing staff and you don't . It's not like the humor , doesn't Like .

Ok , boss talks about no , no , no , coach is the one who talks about on this show . Some people say fuck my kids or my fucking kids are driving me crazy , and other people won't . So I understand some people do that . I'm not one of the people that does it . I don't find it , you know , whatever , i don't find a tremendous amount of comedy in it .

And so in this moment when you have someone in the room was like , oh my god , my annoying cousin Larry is always talking about taking care of his parents , so in his world that is annoying and comedy worthy or something like that . Right , and then you get in this world or the real world where we listen and we go .

Well , this guy seems like a kind of a peach And all he's ever been is nice to everybody that I've seen and you're going to shut him down like that . It really hurt the Nathan Shelley character more so than I think the show anticipated And Coach has talked about .

You would not believe when he's talking about dinner for two and he's talking about some of the other shows he's worked on , you would not believe how fast you can lose an audience .

And as much as we try to stay with it and in the writers we trust and the whole sort of we love Ted Lasso , we want to be part of this and we want to be in sync for lack of a better term with what they're trying to throw out there rather than critiquing it or criticizing it .

I think there was a disconnect between what I think they thought was the comedy of that moment and what we as a viewing audience recognize as cruelty inherent cruelty in me .

In terms of the entire Nate turn , what he did was so fucking awful that I think they may have underestimated that he was maybe not just Jake level , in that I never really liked Jake anyway , so fuck that guy .

But I didn't have a good feeling and we talked about it through the earlier part of the season where it felt like there were these moments with Nate where I was supposed to be like hey , it's good old Nate , and I was like I don't know , i just wasn't there .

So part of what I think misses here also is there's a glimpse of him trying to get back to the diamond dogs , right . So you think , oh , he's starting to get it , but now he doesn't have it . He's going to create it And then instead of creating it , he makes the entire thing about himself . So you're like , oh , he didn't learn anything , yeah .

Yes , boss , preach I know what you're going to say I love it We are so far in , and not only do we still have Nate wanting Rupert's affection and adorstment and acceptance and everything else , he is still socially climbing because he wants the guy in charge to like him And he is shitting on the guy that he can't .

So he's treating Roger like shit , the same way that he treated Will like shit or Colin like shit or whoever else . And the fact that there is almost no indication so far that he has changed his mind on either one of those characters makes me feel like he isn't really learning anything .

Like if we had another scene where he realized that Roger was actually a really good dude and that he should have been listening to Roger about Roger's parents , that would have been one thing . If we had seen him become disillusioned with Rupert because Rupert was cheating on his new wife , that would have been one thing .

But he's already seen that And we never come back to Roger . This is like this is not growth . This is him doing it , in doing the same thing that he's always done in a different way , in order to figure out how he can become toxically masculine in this new field .

He'll bloody his knuckles defending this show , but the Nate's subplot left him a little cold in season three .

I get that just gathering them and suggesting that this was possible was supposed to be this moment , but to me it seemed more like , let's say somebody , let's say you had a male character , sort of traditional hetero love story , whatever And the male character cheats on his wife .

And then he's like with the girlfriend now because he got booted and he's like you don't know how to make meatloaf , are you all sure it meets a good hot meal ? Like well , i mean , if all you got from this is that you're missing a good hot meal , then you still don't get anything .

And Roger's level of anxiety parallels Nate's original level of anxiety And Nate is so locked up in his own shit because Roger's just waiting for that other shooter drop . He's just very similar to Nate anxiety-wise And he still doesn't even like So . In that way it's even more confounding that he doesn't run .

He's so closed off and so self-centered And when you see this that's on the way out the door . We've already seen him be cruel and shut Roger down . And Roger had this little glimmer of hope like man yeah , actually would be really into this . This is like a . I would love that . You know .

You wonder what Roger's daily existence is like at West Ham , and he probably doesn't have any of that . And so there's this glimmer of hope , which is what kills you , coach . And then he gets stomped on and then kicked in the ass on the way out as he shows . Hey , you know what Like are we ? or is now the trouble time ?

Because I know I was sure I was in trouble before Then . I was sure we were in trouble And now it seems like actually like validated that we're actually in trouble .

This jumps out to me in all this talk about manliness and manhood and all this you know , throughout the show and the bad debt Anxious is not a thing a guy is supposed to be , And I say that as someone who I think I've shared , has watched the walls of a room close in on him And actually just recently was having a conversation where it came to me like my

whole life I wanted to be powerful , And powerful people don't get scared . So every time I got scared I felt a shame of even just being afraid , Like even if I did the thing anyway . The fact that I was scared at any point in it was like a serious demerit , like in my experience of things .

So I think it's interesting that that particular trait is highlighted in specific men And they are kind of , if not comic relief , something close to it in a lot of scenes for that anxiety .

I don't think the show overall is saying that , But I think we're able to get to the laughs the way we do , because the idea of a guy being so nervous they're like he shows up to work , he just keeps asking if he's in trouble I think there's something that we go ah ha , ha ha . He's not a man , He's not manly .

I'm also thinking a lot about Bill Hader and his show , barry , and Bill Hader has spoken a lot about his own anxiety and how he felt sick every Saturday night on Saturday Night Live , no matter how many years he'd been there and how his character , barry has unprocessed anxiety and feels terrible all the time , and you know Ted Lasso and Barry are extremely

different people . But the fact that those are both sort of deal with or born out of this anxiety that is untreated and un-acknowledged for a lot of men is a really good point too . Like it leads to a lot of bad shit if you don't get it under control Absolutely .

You hear all that shit going on around you and you're not like , oh my god , today is the day I die . Like come on , yeah .

Sometimes it gets a little weird and white nationalistic and we don't love that . But then even this preoccupation . Neil Gaiman is one of my favorite authors And he writes a lot about Norse mythology And that's all very cool . But when people are like oh , the Vikings were so tough and big and bad , they were on drugs , they were all on drugs .

They were tough and big and bad and everything But that bloodlust , hellbent nonsense that they would do before battle . They were on fucking mushrooms And they were out of their minds and couldn't feel anything real and then would go kill people . It's not actually normal for any human being to be under that much stress and be that scared and be OK with it .

You would be throwing up and pissing everybody .

There's the whole thing about cleanliness that they had . There's the whole thing about romance . There's all sorts of things . Have you seen the show Norsemen , by the way , boss ?

And they came to this country And I took Julie on to see it And she was so scared because it was just all white supremacists And she was like literally trying to make a protection circle from the from like she was calling on the spirits of her dead Irish relatives to be like protect me from this fucking nightmare . It was really scary for her .

For me I was like , yeah , it's awesome , i mean you know , but then again I look like a disgruntled stevedore . So I fit right in to the Viking vibe there . Anyway , getting back to Ted Lasso , we did have some this moment where he had Nate ask Roger to just go , reminiscent of him dismissing Roger in the very beginning there when he poked his head in .

He says it's all right . And now we cut to Ted , who is still not , he's not thrilled about , remember , he still needs some closure , he doesn't have it yet . And so he walks into Rebecca's office And can you walk us through this boss ?

And then outside of her window all the players are chanting go , go , go go , with Henry , as he was , i think , bouncing the ball on his knee .

And he says because Dr Jacob took Michelle de Paris , the French one , and I'm pretty sure he's going to propose . No , i got to find out if I'm right , so I don't flip out when I am . And she says , ted , people visit Paris for all kinds of reasons .

And he says yeah , like getting engaged , and she goes no , they go there to eat amazing food , he says after getting engaged , and she says no . Or they go to Oscar Wilde's grave before they get engaged No . Or they visit the Louvre to make fun of all the people taking blurry pictures of overrated paintings . Where'd you get your lubricant ?

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And you hear about the city of lights And you hear about the sun , you hear about the Champs-Elysees And you hear about the Dr Triomphe , and you hear about all these things , and then you say , can it be as good as what I've heard ? And I would say Paris is better .

And the person said I am when I'm at other people's house . And that just I just thank you , boss , because I just thought that was the funniest , quickest , goddamn answer , and I try not to be obviously in the conversation , but I laughed out loud . I mean I just gaffaud , like that was a very quick and funny answer . I thought it was so funny .

Not when I am , when I'm at other people's house , oh my god .

Dr Romance is probably getting ready to pop the question on the top of the Eiffel Tower , the most romantic frigging place in the world , and she says , oh please , the Eiffel Tower is just a lamppost with a publicist .

Some of his quotes so modern , so of our time , so , and she says , i know , powerful .

Like that's who you need . You need somebody who knows how to bury your body , and a blood guy And a blood guy And a blood guy , and you need a blood guy , obviously .

It seemed a little unrealistic that Rebecca would be able to hire a private investigator who could travel to France and find out where Michelle and Dr Jacob were and report back before Ted could say like hey , just check it in Henry's great Well , the really big investigation agencies have people in Paris .

But those who can't do teach . Am I right , coach ? So they say . So they say That's not true , though . There are some wonderful people who do and teach , but in this case it just feels like God , this wouldn't be the advice Ted would give himself . So it's a little bit disheartening . And then we cut over to again .

You look at just the list of the scenes that we've had to deal with about Dr Jake , and then you go to Jack , and then you go to this horrible thing .

And again , the reason why we alluded to this or we talked about it in the rapid response , but the reason this subplot happened was because this thing happened to writer Keely Hazel an actress , keely Hazel in her life , so she had firsthand knowledge of it .

And they must have decided as a show that this was something they wanted to tackle , and I don't begrudge on that at all . I know that it felt a little bit understanding that after this episode there's only four left . I felt like , oh God , why is this 100% necessary to bring in ? Am I invested in this at this point ?

Couldn't this have been a season two thing ? So I felt that again , with that clock ticking concept and that we talked about it did feel like damn . I kind of wish we didn't have to do this . But I understand why they did .

One is , i thought Keely's integrity , i thought , did hold up and I thought that , like You know , world to see , we're about to see , but I feel like seeing her face this and Not to say zero doubts , but I felt like there was a clarity from her , from jump Around .

You know she was the victim of something and now that kind of energy , that that I did like for the character , i think that both Keely and Nate had to go away and And and and come back , and so I think what , what , what happens to them when they go away that makes them different when they get back ?

That that might have been part of the struggle for the characters .

, and succeeding , moving forward , brings her back in in a in a new and different way . I actually really agree with that .

Correct and Rebecca saw something in Keely that made her feel like Keely should not be somebody who was famous for being kind of famous And so being able to pull both of those people up to Respective levels where you think they should be working at great .

At some point you do need to start proving yourself outside of that person , that that person was right about you being good at this job , not that that person's Support of you is propping you up in the same job . I love that you agreed with coach there .

For the rules , then the rules for women on this show and you know , even Rebecca calls up , she's like why I'm and do it all the time and then , ultimately , if , if the , if the long-term goal was to have success away from Rebecca , as these episodes will go on , then we would have a place to really dive in and discuss this exact point again .

But the decision was clearly made to send Keely away , it into the . You know it's a hero's journey kind of thing . Let's get her out of the ordinary world and and see how she , how she tackles the , the , how she tackles life on her own , and so I Agree with you that she had .

She never compromised her values and I love her Resilience in the face of this victim shaming horseshit that we're about to get in this scene . So , coach , can you walk us through this please ?

Allow me to first offer my sincere apologies . I deeply regret that video that some of you have seen online . I'm beyond embarrassed and I should have never made this video in the first place . I Hope you can forgive me while I learn and grow .

He doesn't care about and this is what's not nauseating about whatever lawyers or attorneys or Whoever drew up this , you know , absolute palaver For keely to say , and , and her response was was appropriately horrified .

And instead Barbara is lovely and says like I'm so sorry that that happened to you and The implication being it should not have . And then to immediately have that undercut by Jack statement that she should be embarrassed by about this thing , that Keeley was afraid the office was gonna make fun of her . The office didn't make fun of her .

Jack's response to that somehow was but you should be worried about being embarrassed . You should feel embarrassed even if they're not trying to embarrass you . It was a way of being victimized by Jack for a thing that she was being victimized for .

Oh , like Barbara really , katie Wicks is like she really is a tour de force and . I bet if we just took all her scenes out and Looked at them , we might be like god damn , like she is Impressive .

Impressive like excellent , like like excellent in the meaning of the word excellent , and even the subtlety and Deafness with which she delivers the lines and her facial expressions and the way she carries herself and her body language and her Glances over her shoulder when she leaves . I'm just , i just go .

How she pauses when she delivers lines , i just very , and again it sounds like oh , compared to Junotent , whatever . So anyway , it's just remarkable how subtle the performance of Katie Wicks is . We I hope you forgive me while I learn and grow And keep going here . Coach , what does Barbara say ?

And this is the difference between when I was 25 , 26 and I knew what the hot place was to be . And Now I don't give a shit where the hot places to be . I have places I like to go and That's where I'll be .

And now that place is Facebook and so I don't like it doesn't need to be the hot new club , it's where my friends are and it's where everybody knows my name . I'm like norm . So it was so funny to be that like it . I didn't even feel like bothered or insulted . I was like , yeah , I don't , i don't . Good , get the fuck out of here trendsetters .

I need that shit in my life .

And You know , facebook is For grandparents and racists . I believe was the was the term , so absolutely .

The only person that doesn't my password is me . That's the only one .

So there's like it's not like I'm trying to be like out of um , you know , like an espionage film , but I'm like I try to be judicious about it . And Yet then you get an email from like oh , this MRI imaging place Where they're like hey , sorry , we lost all your information and your password . And I'm like , well , then , pay me .

Then pay me a million dollars , because do you know how long and hard I have fought to keep that private . And if you go , there's a site called um , am I pwned or something like that . Do you know , like the term p o w , like it's owned with a p , which is a gaming term , um ? and there's a site that'll tell you like do Uh , what's it ?

boss is looking it up right now How it's . It's like that We'll give people the exact url , but it'll tell you where have you been breached .

And and I looked at mine Years and years of being very , very careful and I and there was 30 places that Gave up all my data I'm like , well then , i should be a millionaire . You , there's no way you should continue to have a business . When you wrecked my , i'm like I don't understand . How is this a ? Uh ?

anyway , it's because corporations are people here in america .

Again , barbara leaves , barbara , you know , sort of Gingerly , closes the door behind her , and then we get this beat where , um , keely walks out of the office past the spaniards , not saying a word , and it just sucks . And Especially after don't do anything , i wouldn't do . Oh , i don't do anything , i wouldn't do .

You know , all these like great moments of cheeriness and and , um , it just sucks .

It just sucks and people are scum and uh , not all people , i don't , but , but people that are not All people , i don't , but but people that do that kind of thing , and and all these data breaches , and It is so jarring , um , and until people treat it seriously Until their hat , till there's real There , there is no real litigation , there's no real , um ,

enforceable punishment in the same way that it's better than it used to be , thank god , because of certain um people , certain people that are , uh , have their finger on the pulse , uh , more than other politicians , but , uh , you just say , okay , it's really got to be taken to another level , it's got to be made to be a much more heinous offense , especially

going into the future , where Everything , your entire life , is going to be online even more than it already is . And this should be , you know , it should be a very big deal .

So I mean we get that part , but it doesn't feel unlike what you might get from some corporate overlord types , and There's truly nothing in the statement about the violation that has occurred Like a crime was committed not by keely , not by keely , and so you know what I mean .

And so for this to like literally shame her , and not only shame her but have her and tell her no , you should go out in the world and tell everyone how ashamed you are Of the , of the existence of this thing .

I just thought that was yeah , it drove the point home for me , but it was kind of wild that like is anybody Even bothering to try to figure out , like who the hell did this or what's going on ?

Like I mean not that the keely situation should be exploited either , but I mean Aaron Andrews really was in her hotel room , minding her right and and it's , and it's more nefarious , it's more nefarious than that .

That is , that is such a violation , and then I'll never forget how many people were like trust me , she did this , this is her doing . You know nobody looks at their butt in the mirror or whatever the heck she did , you know , and you're like I don't , i'm like I don't even know , i never it's . Thankfully it was , uh , you know .

She seems to have recovered from it , but you just go , my god , like god . It is so nauseating , uh and um . In this case , at least somebody did do some hard time , i believe , uh , and was caught . So yeah , I .

Yeah , i guarantee you , whatever the fuck you're talking about , whatever the fuck you're talking about , everybody doesn't do it . One and two , even if everybody does it , apparently they do it better than you because you have the motherfucker who got caught . So Everybody does .

It is not and I don't know if that's growing up in my house Like , actually I would have gotten in more trouble For whatever it was , for telling my mother that I did it because , or it was all right that I did it because Everybody else does it . Like I think that would have probably doubled whatever was gonna be My punishment for whatever it was .

So it's , it's Mind-blowing to me that if I can attribute to keely in the show or Aaron Andrews in real life that , oh , they just send this to like great , create a big . You know , like , let's say that's true , you still ran to google or whatever . At the time you still ran a aol . I don't remember when the Aaron Andrews thing was , but you .

You ran there to look up the images and do all . So you You're , you're a willing participant , and all this Aaron Andrews did it for attention In my opinion , is just a way for you to be able to sleep tonight after you participated in this .

When you have American football games or other things like , there's a bevy of very attractive , very talented sideline reporters and she was one of the you know sort of iconic tall blonde Statue s gorgeous Rebecca Welton type women who you know with a , with a .

Not only did she have the looks , but Um has sort of an encyclopedic knowledge of the game and she was one of those impressive people who Really started to beat against the glass ceiling . Uh , because she's so good at her job and and and her and You know a number number of the women pair Malor Yeah .

Yeah , and and you just say , like You know they're sort of pathfinding , and then on the on the road to this path finding , on the road to sort of breaking new ground for women everywhere , you have some , uh , you know , this malicious sort of exposure that , uh , you know , obviously We've just just incredibly hurtful , incredibly detrimental .

And so , again , i just wanted to say who are for those people who You know we have a lot of friends in in , uh , new South Wales . They may not be as up on uh Aaron Andrews as we are .

It's Corporate , speaking in a way that says oh , i'm going to do all of these things and I'm going to learn and grow , and then she's not going to do anything like she's .

the statement is intended to offer Some sort of shield where she doesn't actually have to do anything differently , but she's going to say she's going to do Things differently , and then we get to repeat this cycle over and over and over again Thoughts and prayers , boss , exactly .

Yeah , women are supposed to be sexual , but only in ways that Individual men find acceptable at individual times . If it's anything other than that , then we get to You know access her private email servers and You know access her private email servers and Put out her private videos and betray her trust .

She apologizes , doesn't do anything , and then we all get to say like , oh well , it worked , like solved .

But in terms of those types of apologies because they Those are non-apology , apology gobbledygook things that come out um , again , more more American sports , but quickly , uh , john moran is an ascending nba star , um , who's just released , showing himself to be a bit of a knucklehead , who has now for the second time been suspended For waving a gun in an instagram

live video , right to which I go seriously , dude , really seriously . But anyway , the first time he did it I remember because they were like oh , he had a deal with this one and he's got a deal with that one , and how many millions of dollars are gonna go away ?

So he goes away , you know , and a couple people come around , oh he , and he comes out like two weeks later . Two weeks later , he's like you know , i've had an opportunity to think and grow . I'm like it's been two weeks . Did you find a therapist ? Did you ? that's all I want to know . Did you find a therapist ?

I know how long it takes to find the right therapist . Did you find ? like , how can you come out two weeks after that behavior And say I've learned , i've grown ?

so when it happened again , i was like And you fucked up the bag . I know his handlers were like , what the fuck man ? We fixed the whole goddamn thing . Why would you do the shit again ? But it's because he didn't actually Do anything .

All he did was take this statement and instead of going fuck , is this , like heley did , he said all right and he put it out and repeated it and people were like , oh , isn't this great job ?

moran learned his lesson , and so , of course , he did it again , and they should definitely punish him for real this time , before he kills somebody next time , trying to dance with a loaded gun in his hand like a fucking idiot .

I go , uh , uh , you found , found jesus , huh .

And um , yeah , there's a lot to to unpack here . I , i'm , i'm okay . This has been okay . This is not . I was worried about the , what the tenor of this , of this would be , but , um , yeah , i think it's safe to say that we , uh , we , the love is shining through . Um , coach , where do people find you if they want to find you ?

It's a thing I'm worried about , but anyway , it's at uh , dummly underscore chambers and then also Perhaps hashing out my feelings for charlie kelly and a post at the antagonist , which is antagonist , blogcom charlie day .

So for a very long time rachel maddow was like lapping the field and alex wagner Did a couple jokes on that pod . Save that I was like Watch your back , rachel , watch your back .

Uh , thank you for listening and we'll see you next time .