¶ Ted Lasso Season 3 Episode Discussion
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It's the lasso way around these parts with Coach , coach and Boss .
Without further ado , Coach Castleton .
Okay , hello and welcome back everyone . Hello beautiful people , hello buttercups , hello listeners and friends of the show . My name is Coach Castleton and with me to explore Ted Lasso , season 3 , episode 11 . This is part 3 . Is Coach Bishop ?
What is going on , coach ? I'm really excited about today's conversation . There's some good stuff coming up in this episode .
Yeah , no , I agree . Coach with us , as always , is our boss , the fearsome Emily Chambers .
I love fearsome . So actually now I have two things that I need to tell you . At some point I texted after we recorded the last show that I needed to open with a specific story because it's related to mothers . So I told a lot of stories where I was mean to my mom in the last episode .
She understands it was fun , it was a funsies time , but I was still not very nice to her . I should say that in the vein of her still being very much a mother , I'm currently watching her dog . Ms Rebecca Welton is making a review .
My name is unreal , but yes , ms .
Rebecca , Ms Rebecca Welton . So when she brought the dog she said what can I bring ? I am the dog aunt , so I have bags and toys and all the rest of the stuff .
I love what you have . I'm ready to go .
Always I have a dog brush still for brushing their hair . I did not realize that my mother had decided to sneak a roll of dog bags into my purse because she was worried that I wouldn't have them . So when I was at the store , going in to get my reusable bag , I grabbed one and I'm like , oh , this is not it , this is .
And then I'm pulling it out but it keeps coming because it's a roll of dog bags .
I'm like a fucking magician with the handkerchiefs that keep coming out and I'm like I don't know what to do .
This is , by the way , the same grocery store where , early in the pandemic , I had a mask and my reusable bag and something else and something else . And I was reaching to grab something and I pulled my reusable bag out and accidentally hit the woman in the face with a tampon . This is the same store that I've done both of those things .
You picked it up on the wall .
I can't go back anymore . It's around the corner for me . And I can't go back again because once I realized what was happening with the dog bags , I just shoved everything in and I was like just give me one of your plastic bags . I need to leave immediately .
That tampon thing is like something that would be in a Tina Fey movie . That is so goddamn fun .
Oh , my fucking god . I can't believe how did I do that ? I could not be that coordinated if I had tried and yet because I wasn't intending to square right in the bridge , in the nose . It was astounding .
I love it , love it .
Yeah , so that's been my week .
It's a hell of a start , boss . Hell of a start . That's what I try for the victim of your tampon assault could have used this Van Damme mask that we're going to open the story with today .
Look at that fucking segue . My god , good lord , we have professionals now there's Nicole behind the mic .
It would have been a Tina Fey movie if the woman's eye was put out and she was like blinded , oh my eye , it's okay . And pulls her hand back and you're like , oh god , no , you're not , and then it's like blood and it grows .
Cheese is crying . Yes , no , you're not . Luckily , if her eye were bleeding , we have things for that to soak up her blood , so everything would have been fine .
You're trained in that sort of thing , that's true . Well , we do open with this beautiful sort of the face of Moe Judi LeMore as Van Damme , and he is wearing coach . Remind me again why he is wearing this phantom of the opera style double-sided nose protecting mask .
Right . So Mexican national team star Rani Dojas sent a soccer ball off his face at quite some velocity . It was how I record yeah , point blank .
So we open up with the tastiest snack on the team . According to Gay Men's Journal , this would be Moe Bumbercatch . And he says Van Damme , you still got to wear that mask . It's really surprised after the international break . And what does Van Damme say here , boss ?
Yeah , I do , man , or else I die .
And then he looks , he looks , so I mean he looked over . The look over was great . I was like wow , I mean seriously Wow .
Listen , this is , it's a thing that I know people , it's a little bit that I know I'm way way out on the , on the , on the wing of the plane on this , this one sort of bit .
But Danny Rojas , eating , eating his kebab and waving totally oblivious but literally like a schizophrenic , like , like he is not aware , civil style , the damage he has perpetrated , like I don't think he has any concept that his alter , you know , his alter ego , has done this to , to Van Damme .
And then you have again , again , I say it it's these bits , coach , it's the straight man that sells 100% Like , even just the , the reaction shot of of Van Damme , where he's like what the like really still like . You know , he says it with a lot of criticism and frustration in his voice and the reaction is utterly confounding to him .
I just love it , I love it . Okay , so Danny is smiling . Mo Mo actually has a little reaction as well . We get a nice sort of perspective from Rashard who , between choosing that math wearing that math and death . Of course , as a Frenchman , he chooses death .
Yeah , I was going to say I I liked that they did all this and it worked for me , but I really liked that they gave Rashard that line and moment .
I think I was like if who on this team would absolutely feel that way , like they could have put that joke in anyone's mouth and it would have worked , but that I think it's like the top two choices would would be uh uh , rashard , now , uh , and then season one Jamie .
Maybe season one Isaac as a , as a third play you know what I mean , like that sort of thing , but yeah , yeah yeah , but this one it's so pure . It's just pure Rashard energy , like what . Like it's not , it's just not worth it . Um , to which , you know , we get the , the sort of Dutch validation of Jan Maas . Uh , and what does he say , boss ?
It does make you look very stupid . It does make you look very stupid , it's almost worse . What is that ?
Cause there's . No , it's definitely worse .
Yeah , yeah , nope , here's the thing , I don't know , that it looks that stupid . I like I didn't , I wouldn't be like , oh , that's the stupidest . Should I ever ever see that ? When we did the um rapid reaction , did I talk about the wrestler who had to wear one of these ? No , maybe not .
Uh , on my on the high school wrestling team when I did stats , tony Portillo uh broke his nose so many times wrestling that they were like you need to wear a full on face mask Like like almost a hockey mask , except softer , because you know you like ram your head up against the other guy when you're wrestling .
So like a little bit padded but therefore also black mat , like where you could just see his eyes all covering his entire face .
And a couple of the times when we had like bigger matches , like bigger meets , it would be like spotlighted and he would step into the fucking like on to the mat wearing that thing , like he was fucking Batman and about to destroy you .
He wasn't that great , but his matches were so much fun to watch because you were like he is the masked man coming out to destroy you and there was something intimidating about everything going on . Wow .
I wonder if he ever won I mean , you wouldn't know , right , like if he ever won matches he would have lost just the like , the mental edge of the other guy looking across .
Am I supposed to do this ? I really hope so . I hope so .
There is that , that quality to it . I'm one of my . Famously , one of my dad's like go to stories was he was a boxer in the Navy , just a young punk in the Navy , and somebody at some point was like you're boxing ? He's like , oh crap .
He didn't know the box wasn't a particularly good athlete , but he started to like it , he started to train , he started to win , he started to , you know , enjoy it . And then there was this one guy he had to go against I . Famously I don't remember the guy's name , but famously it was a he called him the Greek guy . And there's nobody beat this Greek guy .
I'm proud , I'm proud , my mother , we could see her turning down the sides of her mouth . I was just thinking , yeah , of course , no one beat the Greek guy , of course . And so he went to fight this guy . Terrified , terrified , he said he was going to nearly piss himself . Before the match he was so nervous and so terrified .
At the end of the mat , he he fought , he said , like an animal at bay . Terrified , terrified . He felt like all was seconds away from being murdered in front of everyone , down to the match . They get all the way to the end , they ding , ding , ding . They bring him to the center of the ring and they raise my dad's hand and he beat him on points . What ?
And ?
and my dad .
The guy comes up to him afterwards and goes oh my God , my dad's name is Carl . The guy says Carl , oh , thank you , thank you for not knocking me out . I was so nervous to fight you . And my dad says , god damn it . If I had known that I would have torn him apart . You know what I mean .
So that was his story , to say that's a great story . You never let someone psych you out . That's a great story .
You have no idea what they're feeling . So go in and give it your best and assume that you're worthy of their respect as well . So that's it .
Well , that's a great story to deliver that , because it's so true and I feel like I was so old before I realized that everybody not you know what I'm saying Like everybody else in a general way , is also feeling like oh my God , am I the person in this room who everyone is ?
Yes , coach , I mean , it was probably about 12 days ago for you , yeah , but it never . You're not wrong , but no , but yeah . No , it was , like you know , when I was playing football in high school , like it never occurred to me that the guy across also felt it .
Like it just never occurred to me , like I assumed everybody else out there felt fine and I needed to figure out how to not show that I wasn't always just fine . Yeah .
You know it really is powerful when you realize that and you just stop sort of artificially limiting yourself . And you know I can't tell you how many times as a father I'm like you're not a mind reader . I know you think you know what they're thinking , but you don't know .
Look at I hate to segue twice but in the same episode , but this is Van Damme looks over at Jamie , goes oh , you want to take a shot , jamie , like you know , like he's , oh , I know what Jamie's going to say , right , yeah , and what ? does Jamie say here , here , what is Jamie's reaction to that ? Like set up by by obviously insecure Van Damme .
I think it's more important to be safe than to look cool and everyone goes uh , what's happening ?
It's so well done because you get that reaction from Van Damme again . You get the guys next to him who also react Uh , I forget who it was . Um , it accomplished a couple of the teammates . Everybody goes , wait a second and then they , they really , really milk it with having Roy slowly stop .
Stop what he's doing Turn those , those like icicles shoulders of his , you know , it's like his whole torso
¶ Roy's Unique Coaching Style
. It's so funny , the Brett Goldstein right when he gets into character . I mean I can I always imagine him getting out of , like when they cut . And he's like Jesus Christ , like rolling your shoulders forward , like , oh my God , I'm so stiff . You don't know me because it just holds itself with such tension . Yeah , the way he moves .
Yeah , um so , anyway , yeah , they do that . And then , uh , of course , roy being Roy , um man , he knows when something wrong with his best friend , right , coach ?
Absolutely . We're not fucking best friends .
That's right . It's so funny , Um and , and what does he say ? Coach ?
Oi , ta boot room now , that's it , that's it yeah that's it , yeah , that's it .
And then . But then you get like there's always this quality , right , Right , but sort of you know , it's sort of a , I don't know , it's a very , very strange . Um , this is the first time , of course , Dottie is seeing anything . And what ? How does she react to a boss ?
He's in trouble , yep . To which uh Trent says what oh no , shouting is Roy's love language .
Yeah , that's so . He's so casual about it . You know , like for a guy that has found this out the hardest possible way , what Roy's love language you know , you're like Oi .
Right , you know like crim .
Right .
Yeah .
Great point . I mean there's nobody . There's nobody . I'm trying to think . Is there anyone that has experienced that in more of a um like it's like a fulcrum with with Trent Crim ? Yeah , roy is on one side of the seesaw , he's down . You know , trent is up in the air forever and just until he isn't , yeah , yeah , he'll leave him there .
Until and if anybody , anybody tries to come and weigh down Trent's side of the seesaw , roy is going to brain them Right , and he says he's a crazy person . And everybody believes it . Until the moment when , when Ted Lasso steps in and says , hey , you better , you better , fix this up . And then he , then he fixes it .
And the instantaneous in the yellow brick shower and and that's right , and um not , yeah , fixes it , but also it's it's love language .
Yes , and it's his like power that he uses up , like it's kind of interesting to see how much context matters in terms of what we're talking about , because he does the same kind of yelling , but it's really how he feels about you . It gives it , gives it its meaning , right again , sound any difference . You just know that it is different . I .
Had a coach one time and said if I'm not yelling at you know I don't like you . Like you and you actually kind of wanted him to yell you , like you knew that you were still in play .
Like you're Still , you're gonna get playing time , you're gonna get you to get it right if you , yeah , yeah , certain points . Some plays like what am I screaming about ? He's never gonna get it . Let's move on .
Yeah , no , that's true , that's true . So anyway , this is this is Roy . This is how he does it . It goes into the boot room , peeks over I thought he poked , I've thought he poked , I've got it peeked over to see whether or not will was in the room , because will has been . So , oh , I'm the present for these conversations .
And he starts laying in to Jamie . Of course , jamie goes in there like I don't know if anyone has seen Paul Rudd in wet-hot America .
Yeah , when he's like up after himself . Yeah , yes , pick up the plates .
It's so overacted in the it's it is . It just captures Every teenager in the world . So well , you're like I can't believe how accurate this is . It's just amazing . Um , but Jamie comes in there like he's like a scolded child , shoulders down , no fit , I'm gonna take my lumps . You know like I know what's what's happening .
And then you know , roy , roy , he starts tuning him up . All right , listen up . And what does he say ? What does Roy say here , boss ?
This is not the week for your fucking , for your Mr Fucking humble great teammate bullshit . We got sitting on Saturday so we need you to be the prickiest prick you've ever been in your little prick life . You understand . So I don't want you .
I mean that was , oh my god , like I , when he how do you do that ? Like I really part of me feels like how did he do that ? Like it's hard to believe that the person who gave us Jamie Could transform Jamie To this moment and have it work .
It was so funny , you wouldn't expect him to have this gear , yeah , and then , like I know the I'm sure there are people who didn't buy it . You know , it is really wildly over . Oh yeah , no , of course and you know especially , but but just the fact that he has this gear , you just the fact , like because the more I watch it , the more I buy it .
Weirdly , usually I would see the see the strings as I watch it more , I would like it less and less . But there's this , you just go .
¶ Acting and Mental Instability Depiction
It's funny because coach and I we talked a lot about fantasy football , one of the big Sort of words terms of terminal . It's sort of a phrase that you hear all the time . The terminology is range of outcomes . Yeah and oh right .
What's this player gonna do this ?
year coach ? Oh , he's , it is . It is range of outcomes . He's a top-ten player . No , that's really not in his quote-unquote range of outcomes . What's funny about this is Roy no part of this like it is so well done . He's like what ? The like he has .
Yeah he's totally unprepared yeah happening , yeah , it's great .
Oh , my god , it is so . Jamie's shaking off his hands . What is wrong ? I don't know . I don't know . Are you fucking dying to some shit ? He's like no , no , no , I'm just tired , and so this I can't sleep , I can't eat . Wash me hair , but I don't use any condition anymore , cuz like what's the fucking boy I ?
laughed out loud I .
Feel like the guy in the Red Bull commercials pushing that big rock up the hill . Sisyphus he is . I don't remember the , I don't know if it's systems , but I know it's a guy right lost his wings . Yeah , I lost me wings , roy . It is so crazy . It's like just crazy enough to work this whole yeah you know all the dialogue here .
I love it . There's gonna be more of it , but Jamie's still Jamie , right . So there's no fucking way he would say I'm Sisyphus or have any sort of literary reference to go to . What does he know ? He knows Red Bull commercials , he's seen Red Bull commercials and so he , that's where he got this right . Like that's . But he , we get what he's expressing .
Like I was like this is a brilliant Way for somebody to describe depression . Or you know , I was like , wow , this is exactly how .
Yes , I would say Right , yes , it's like a layman's version of trying to capture Sort of mental instability , and it works . And and here's the thing , let's just paint the picture of what Phil Dunster is actually doing In this scene . Whether we're sort of aware of it in the moment or not , there's 60 to 80 to 100 people standing around him .
There's no other wall that you're seeing here , you're .
he's basically in a corner with two fake walls and he's got the lighting crew there , he's got directors , he's got video village , he's got everybody around and they go action right and then he's got to turn this thing on and they you know there's several cuts , so you know they did several takes and he had to keep becoming whatever version of himself this was .
And I promise you you can feel it when , when an actor sort of kills it Especially , you get the sides , you get that , you get your script and you you look at what's coming up on the day and you go , oh fuck , like is he gonna be able to get there ? Like this is a Usually yeah , usually you don't see the .
They try to protect the scripts at all cost , but Different department heads have to prepare for the day , so then it trickles down to everybody else and then you start to see it and you're like , oh my god , they're shooting . You start flipping through like , oh , wow , he's got to do I've lost me wings , roy , like how the wow ?
And then you watch it happen on set .
You know what I mean like people who devalue actors and like each shit .
Let's see you do this 15 different times in 15 different ways . To give your director , an editor , all these choices To to portray you in the best possible performance on cue , pull the string on my back and this performance , right , I mean , it really is absolutely Spectacular .
And if you don't know what you're actually watching , I'm here to tell you that this is not anywhere near as easy as Phil Dunstern makes it look , especially in his first Big role in anything .
I keep forgetting that that's true , because he's just so good that it's hard to believe that .
But um , it shouldn't be true , right , and I want to punch him in the stomach Because it's not fair . It's not fair , coach , for someone to be this good out of the shoot , yeah , but it is really impressive . I feel like a lost me wings Roy , he does the face grab thing , he . Okay , this is where you know these guys are actually friends , because I promise
¶ Tequila Sunrise Movie Scene and Ted Lasso Episode Discussion
you . Okay , there's just great scene I kind of just want to share it but in the movie tequila sunrise . So either of you seen the movie tequila sun ? Okay , it is . Oh god , it's such so much fun Michelle Pfeiffer and Mel Gibson and Kurt Russell . But there's this scene on the boat with one of my favorite actors well time , raul Julia , and he's arguing .
Basically , god , I don't want to spoil this , for people haven't seen it , but it's like 35 or 40 years old now .
Yeah , I think you're .
Um , I think I'm good . Raul Julia is is is Negotiating with his dear friend To be able to kill a witness who has seen this stuff . It's , unfortunately , mel Gibson . The witnesses Michelle Pfeiffer , young , stunning Michelle Pfeiffer . Mel Gibson is in love with Michelle Pfeiffer at the time . But Raul Julia , who is a visiting a Drug dealer , is like no man .
We , whatever , you know , we got it . This is a business . We've we've been in business like 30 years together , like since we were kids . You know they're both rich , they're both successful . It's the first thing that can ever bring them down . And he's like you know , she , whatever .
There's this beat between them where he's trying to do this and on the day I remember reading that Raul Julia , because he's so funny , kept ad-libbing in this scene . Oh , and there's this one moment that they couldn't cut . It's exactly this shot . So the one I'm looking at is you have Phil Dunst , your holding Roy's face .
You're over Brett Goldstein's left shoulder , looking at Phil Dunst . It's exactly the scene . You're over and to kill the son as you're over Mel Gibson's left shoulder and Raul Julia says , of course , she told you that she would have told you anything . And then he goes this is an ad-lib body goes she , what a fuck the snake .
You see the side of Mel Gibson's face Right , yeah , and then you know they cut but like , if you see it , anyone who watches that movie , it's funny , you know it's ad-lib and and it's great . And I'm looking at this moment going I know this is what's happening here .
I know like Brett Goldstein is doing everything to try not to smile , like he can't believe the Phil Dunst was actually moving his face around like Tornig it like , yeah , unbelievable . Oh , my god , it's so good he's crying , but it is .
I don't know how he , how he holds it together , because the shot is on Brett Goldstein , you know , as he stays in character amazingly and and then will comes in amazing . And what does we say ? What does he say to will boss ?
Will yeah , you missed a good one that was awesome and will .
As he closes the door kind of does like a shucks , kind of like motion . It's really they've got this thing they are having and the time of their lives with this thing .
But he looks like he likes to sell disappointment like damn it .
I didn't know .
I'm subscribed to some sub sub reddit on on reddit where it's just videos of people . I've read it . Subreddit on reddit for those of you who don't don't catch that terminology and it is a . It is just perfectly cut . Screams is the subreddit , so it's just people screaming and then cut at the funniest possible time and and so that's kind of what you have here .
You have that little beat where he's . You just leave , leave him , we're gonna Meanwhile , you know , back at the farm but you leave Roy in the throes of , you know , jamie howling on his . You know , like Just , that's just .
Well yeah well , now I need to know if Danny Pudi is a bed on . Community made it when , when they are turning back the clocks for daylight savings , and he's so upset that they're holding him down in the chair and says it doesn't make any sense , it doesn't make any sense .
And then , alison Brie , as Annie Edison says , would it make you feel better if I told you get the hour back in the fall and he goes oh , then they cut it right now yes yes , like just before he hits the high ramping up to it .
So good , so good . Coach has heard of these shows .
I've heard yes , I've heard actually Community I've seen some episodes of and thought was funny . But it's just one of those like I haven't ever gone out of my way to see it , but it was fun . What I saw was so I I listen .
This is not a community podcast , this is a Ted lasso podcast , but I need to tell you that the the first season I feel like you do need to watch . People are always like which episode you introduce somebody To the show on and I'm like , no , you start at the very beginning and you go all the way through .
But there is an episode in the first season where my entire life changed and I was like , oh , they mean it with this .
Yes , yes , I'm I am seriously curious about that .
That is , yeah , I have to watch the show to get to that episode , or it's just like do a one-off deep dive of the episode .
So you could definitely try . There is something about the tonal change to the series on the whole that happens at that point . Anything like this is when it goes from . This is a funny comedy that I enjoy , and they have a lot of smart jokes to Holy shit , like like , oh , holy shit .
Okay , Okay , okay but it's .
It's just the first season , 30 minutes . You know if you could bang that out and it . Well , I was gonna say a weekend , I don't have any children .
There was a . There was a weekend recently where I was trying to listen to a voicemail that was 26 seconds long and I couldn't find 26 seconds . That's awesome and I know because I tried , right , it was took me . It took me more than two days to find 26 .
And you would think that's an episode of sitcom right there . That's an episode , just the story . Trying to hear this 26 second message .
Yeah , no , could not do it . Everybody . You know what about when you write when you went to bed Nope , still . No , it's just nuts . Someone would call kids would come barge . It's just like a joke . Anyway , we cut over to Ted Lasso's office . Beard says what to Ted Lasso ? Boss , oh my god .
Start with that and and tell me what is beard saying here , boss , oh my god our new striker looks just like your mom . To which Ted says what coach that is my mom .
I Know , ted , that was a joke .
Oh Right , I Thought that was he's very .
Ted is really really on point .
He talked about being off your square . What ? Is happening Like he could not be any less in sync .
Wow , hey , ted got a set . Yeah , I mean , we always talk about how , if these guys are out of sync , there's trouble . Yeah , foot , hey , ted got a sec . What , what is time ? Higgs boson what's up ? Higgs boson is not a bad reference that went over my head .
I gotta be honest . Should I know , oh , oh .
Yeah , just I think it's like . It's like a filter process for smart people . I think , coach , don't worry , you'll get there . Yeah , this is the particle that they built , that huge particle they're trying to the Higgs boson . It's funny because they built that I don't know how long ago .
I was reading an article about yesterday because you know just super , super bright , yeah , and it was like oh , they largely have found nothing . All the theorized element or not , elements of theorized forces or Relationships .
Like not , not , not I want to say zero , but very , very they in the whole in the range of outcomes coach , not is not what would have justified a multi-billion dollar project Getting a lot more answers out of the new James Webb telescope . Frankly , not that they're the same thing , but it's . It's sort of a different , but giving more answers .
So what is what's up ? So this morning a Few of my little birdies Wonder if it's Nathan and his new drill , waiting tables and shooting Tooting . Yeah , he just say tooting to you all . Got a town here called tooting , tooting . Yes .
Mm-hmm .
Man , this place is great , right ? At least that's a version of of Ted . Yeah , sorry . What were you saying about night boss ? What was he saying ?
The little birdies are pretty sure he'd come back if invited .
Aha , okay , what do you think ? Which which us , this boss , which ? And then I cut away for just technical difficulties .
No , and I think I will touch on this more later but there's something about the idea of Nate Needing the team to come to him to ask to come back , like it being invited back . I understand what Nate is actually going through in that he feels insecure about asking to come back and so he won't .
I Don't think it's a good thing that we think , oh , we're just gonna invite him back and then it's gonna be fine , like I think that it would be better for Nate's character if we saw him Sucking up , feeling bad about being vulnerable and willing to make himself vulnerable to the team and saying I fucked up , I would like to come back .
Yes , I agree , act like I agree that this all felt very like what are we doing like ? You can't write what I will say about it , though is sorry , guy , coach .
No , just say some of my little birdies . Uh uh , steve Zava could return and you know , it's like it's like you'd be like wait what ? Why ? Oh , whoa , whoa , whoa , whoa .
Yeah yeah , but I know but I love do a little work . I think the reason I guess I had a slightly different reaction you're describing is that Nate actually Didn't request that . It was just clear to them that that was the point in the conversation where things shifted . So it was they .
They certainly could figure it out , but I don't feel like Nate I in retreating was saying to them why don't you go back and ask Ted ?
Yeah , no , I don't think that Nate imagined that that was happening .
I just think that part of Nate's entire issue was that he has been timid until he gets to a point where he feels angered by the fact that he still has to be timid and then he lashes out and this has been his pattern Like somebody's paying attention to me , now they're not paying enough attention to me .
Now I'm angry because you're not paying enough attention to me and now I'm gonna hurt you because you are hurting me . And I just think it would have been nice to have seen him breaking this pattern a little bit by saying like I don't need you to come win me over .
I am going to try to figure out how to feel good enough about myself that I will ask to come back because I think I deserve it .
Yeah , that's a very you kind of beat boss . What do you make of Higgins becoming Lord Varys here and the players are his little birdies off doing his bidding ?
I mean , I was like I dig this if it's a thing I didn't like , okay , interesting , like there's a conduit between Higgins and the players that doesn't involve the coaching staff of like , oh okay , all right , like I love it if it could have been incorporated all this time . But I was a little surprised .
I guess I didn't take it as that much of a thing , as much as him saying a thing in a semi-clever , you know , semi-whimsical way . But you may be right , actually I just didn't hear it that way .
Well , no , no , no , I'm specifically taking .
¶ Game of Thrones and Children's Stories
There's a character in Game of Thrones , coach .
Now you know that's . I got off the train before that , I know I know that's some white people nonsense right there .
Man , oh man , no , he's just . He has these sort of spies all through the city that he calls his little birdies , and I like imagining .
Higgins , I see , okay , I gotcha Leslie .
Higgins , I gotcha Back in King's Landing , so what do you think ? I do believe in second chances , ted , walk me through this next line , boss . I want you to explain it to me . So you feel pain , please .
He says that's why I'm still married and all my sons are alive .
And how did you ? How did what ? You think that's just like a wink , like a little guy joke there Like , yeah , cause I'm a dumb , my wife would have killed me and my sons . Is that without second chances ?
I actually didn't pick up on that . I thought being married requires giving people second chances , and also I mean the fact that his sons are all still alive . Like sorry man , you don't get to birth children and then decide that they're pissing you off Like they didn't ask you to do that . That's on you .
You might ask them to give you some second chances , but come on .
Wow , wow , yeah , man , god , that's a terrible perspective . Thank you , boss , thank you .
That's a terrible perspective .
That is such a spoken like someone who has not suffered through decades of little shits .
Yes , exactly , fucking exactly .
Disgusting bowling your existence , yeah , yeah .
No , and you know what ? Do you know why they didn't ?
ask to be born .
Yeah , yeah . Do you know why I haven't suffered through that ? Because I've seen you bitches . I've seen you with your children and how you don't sleep and how you don't get to go any place and how you have somehow food everywhere on your body , even though you literally just got out of the shower that you've taken for the first time in a week .
There was a guy the other night on Twitter was like and eating none of it .
I feel undressed .
Eating none of it .
Yeah .
There was a guy on Twitter the other day who was like people who don't have kids don't understand how busy parents are Bitch . Yes , we do . That's why we decided not to do it . We have all of the ideas and we just opted out .
Come on , I really love that form of nature of that , like that , like you could work that premise , like I know I'm gonna stand up or whatever , but that premise you could do so many jokes like you just did . Oh my God . That's like a whole . That's like 10 minutes . Easy it's a bit .
He's got , he's got . He's like a soft seven minutes . That's what he's saying . He's gonna coach you through your stand up . Look at now . Coach , can't help but coach .
He's like okay , yeah .
I'm gonna be honest , boss . I'm seeing dollar signs here , so look at this .
Listen , I actually , man , I shouldn't . This is not bragging , because I immediately shut down the entire idea and it was mostly a joke , but I was talking last weekend at a friend's birthday getaway about the absurdity of the book and movie Charlotte's Web , like , do you guys remember ? Have you seen it ?
I mean I vaguely yeah , vaguely , I couldn't tell you the events .
Yeah .
So actually Some pig . So this is a fucking thing . The boyfriend somehow was never seen or read Charlotte's Web , but he has a vague idea of it and so I explained . As I was explaining it to him , I'm like wait , this shit is fucked up .
So the spider the spider understands English , knows how to write it in a web , knows that the pig is a living thing and also that she needs to go out of her way to protect him from the humans who are going to slaughter him . So she writes in her web some pig . And people pay money to look at the fucking pig .
The spider speaks English , the spider understands humans and how to communicate with us in a very specific language . And people show up and they're like sure , look at that fucking pig . They're right , man , that is some pig . That's fucking amazing .
Yeah , that's it , bust up .
We should give this pig a buttermilk bath , because it's some pig and I'm like . The fucking spider is communicating with you . Can we focus on the spider for a second ?
Not the pig .
That's funny .
Well , I'm just saying how many other pigs on the planet have mind melded with a spider in order to get them to right on their behalf to save their life ? I think you're missing the whole point , boss .
I cannot imagine the gender shit doesn't even matter that Wilbur is a boy and he's the pig and Charlotte is the spider and she just spends her entire fucking life dedicated to saving this goddamn pig and nobody bothers thinking like how the fuck did the spider figure out English and also how to spell it out in her fucking web , Like she knows enough about
geneometry and spatial different distances that she made it legible for human beings to read . It's fucking wild .
It had to write in reverse , like there's gonna be in a mirror .
Yeah , man , it's fucking amazing . Like as an adult now I'm like this is insane . I don't know why you're so surprised .
Bring on .
Charlotte you know what Boys are awesome .
I think that's . The boys are awesome . Let's reboot it , oh . It's all about the front Reboot . It so big and they all feast on Wilbur . Whoa is that .
Oh , my God yeah they celebrate .
Exactly , they eat ham and figure out how a spider learned English .
Boom . I mean at that point I would ask if the spider were God , because there's no other reasonable explanation . Like , you , would need to start worshiping the spider . You would need to there are a lot .
Actually , I adore this commentary , boss . I'm trying to be your artificial foil , but it is brilliant and it's fascinating when you look outside so many beloved nursery rhymes and children's stories .
One of something I wrote a long time ago that's still like near production so I can't really talk about it , but it was repurposing like a very common children's rhyme , the nursery rhyme that everybody knows , and I'm like , yeah , but can we just step back and say exactly the same thing you were saying ?
Can you just like with the eyes of someone from 2023 , just take a look at the premise here . What folks shall we . It really is amazing when you look at it . It's so , so screwy and so many . You know what . We might deep dive this one time . I like this concept so much , but might just look at some of my favorites .
Yeah , that's great .
Where we can . Yeah , like Charlotte's web-esque tour of preposterous things that we ingrain into the children of our civilization for no , yeah , the weirdest shit , yeah , yeah .
Well , let me throw this onto the pile .
I saw this cartoon in some of the time in the last week or two , but there's a bear like a grizzly bear , whatever , there's a brown bear , I guess , and a man's like reading a book and the bear's looking over his shoulder and he goes read the part again where she burns her horrible mouth on the porridge and I was like that is funny , that's funny , that is
God damn funny , like you know , like sometimes you're like wow , that is like just like as a person who has written jokes that is . God damn funny right there . That is very , very funny .
As much as I am not a fan of actual slut shaming , using horror or slut as an actual criticism , like actually using that as name calling . It's Dan Aykroyd on SNL Jane , you ignorant slut .
I was about to say that , yeah , jane , you ignorant slut . Yeah , yeah , yeah , jane you ignorant slut .
It's so good .
The delivery . Oh my God , it is so good . Yeah , I mean the two of them that was . It is so good , it's so good . So this day , that's what 60 years ago ? Oh .
God , no , not 60 . 50 , 54 .
Wow when did it start ? We had the half century . Oh yeah , we know that right 2011 maybe . Well , I'm trying to think of the 50th anniversary . I think 70s , though I don't think yeah anywhere , but it's been a long time . It has held up . It has held up .
Jane , you ignorant , right , it's crazy . 75 . 75 , there you go , okay . So , hey , roy , what a bother you if we brought Nate back . No , I don't give a fuck , he's great , it's shit I suck at . Look , I've got something , I gotta go and do something .
We talked a little bit about this on the rapid response , where I was like , okay , I will buy it if he says it . But I think he had a second . I remember how he looked at Nate during the last game . So I was like , okay , he must be very distracted , but okay , whatever . And I'm not sure he's great at the shit that Roy sucks at , but okay .
But I believe that Roy believes that , though Roy believes he's smart and that's not what I do , but he's the one who knew to put a red string attaching everyone's dick to Jamie's dick , which was key . Yeah , yeah , he just didn't know that he knew .
Yeah , we all have friends like this , where you're like , no , you're really good at this Like you wanna smack them because they have no sense of their place in the world . Coach , bishop and he . I was like oh no it's . Constant validation about things they're amazing at .
We get off this podcast and coach like almost in tears and he'll be like , oh , like what we're hanging up now , dude , we're gonna . He's like , be serious with me , man , like I ruined that , dude , I ruined this whole thing . Like are you mentally imbalanced ? It's just amazing . So you are Roy Kent in this coach .
It's so good , so good at so many things he doesn't know he's good at . But I'll buy it . Okay , fine , if he says it comes directly from the horse's mouth , so to speak . Look , I gotta do something . Okay , everything all right . Yeah , I've just come down with the case of the none of your fucking business . Again , I think of this .
So it's so funny because there's this line and I always say , god , I wish I had this gear . I've never had it . I've never said none of your fucking business to anybody . So where were you born ? None of your fucking business .
Oh yeah , it's exact same .
Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , right , it's like I've never . I just don't have this gear , I don't have this tool in my toolbox , but it's so I prize it . I know Boss has it and one of the reasons I'm sorry that I go wow , that's like amazing . She used to be like nope , like no , we're not doing that . Right , okay , you go .
Oh , all right , like I've bumped up against a wall and that's it , especially when the lasso way is gleaming bright in a place You're not gonna push back . You go , okay , hey , I respect that , that's great . What about you coach ? You all right if Nate comes back and now we get one of my . This is where the version of Beard that speaks for us .
Boss , you are the captain of the Beard fan club on this podcast . I would say when he tells Ted to wake up in the pub or he's like no , winning fucking map Like that when you go thank you . Thank you for the wake up . There are these moments that are where Beard is the only one that can talk sense to Ted right .
Yes , he coaches coach .
Yes , he's the only one coach will listen to . Much like coach and myself . I ignore everyone in the world except for coach . Pulls me aside , sure , sure , which he does on a minute to minute basis . But you just go , okay , like thank . I feel thanks as a viewer , cause I go .
I needed to hear him to hear this because he feels out of sync with what I'm witnessing . So when he's casually just trying to bring Nate back , what does Beard say in this situation , boss ?
If you bring that Judas back , I will fucking burn this place to the ground .
I cackled . I gotta be honest . That was so funny to me . I was like I get it . I was like I get it . I'm gonna say you're right or you're wrong . I'm just saying I get it .
¶ Betrayal and Consequences in Ted Lasso
I'm sure you can picture this , but in my living room I go thank you Like real time . I'm like , oh my God , someone on the writing staff was sanity , Like what are we talking about ? The guy that , like he outed you to the mental illness , to the press , to help himself .
Yeah , or simply to hurt you Like I'm not even sure it was to help himself .
Oh , yeah , to hurt right . Yeah , to hurt right . Well , I thought it was so that he would get more credit for designing .
Oh , for what was going on ? Yeah , yeah , yeah , you're right , he thought he wasn't getting enough Either way , either way it's horrific there was the tiny little circle of trust that he betrayed .
hence the Judas commentary . Yes , it is a betrayal , it's not . Listen . Betrayal is such a horrific thing in human existence that we know the names of the betrayers we hold . The ones I know are Judas and Benedict Arnold and Quisling . Those are the three that I know they're who betrayed on a huge scale and then their name became synonymous with betrayal .
That's how much we , as humans , loathe and detest the practice of disavowing the trust that's placed on you for your own ends or for your own gain . So I'm like thank you . Thank you , beard . I will burn this place to the fucking ground .
You know , I've never thought about what you just said about betrayal . I was over here nodding , which is always great audio , but I , we appreciate that , there you go , there you go . But I , the way you describe betrayal is like wow , that's true . And then I think just the thought just hit me as you were saying it .
Of course that's true because as humans that really like , if you sort of like follow back us , becoming social and moving and tribe wherever , like that is actually how we survive , like we actually did have to call out anyone who had that instinct Like this was dangerous , like this was a right , like it would be almost it would be the equivalent of like the
person in our tribe who like mixes their shit with their food .
They gotta go Like we can't have that here . Look at the iconic story we talked about . It was season one and season two . I'll bring it back up . I think we probably talked about it About when we were at that draft coach , yes , and we said , like if the world ends at the draft , what was the first move we do ? And you said we you gotta kill this .
Yeah , this one guy , this coach that we were in our league because we knew he'd be the one selling us out to the slavers or the reapers or whoever comes .
But think about cause he could not be trusted . But think about our collective reaction , Like it wasn't , like oh my God , really , or whatever . Like we all heard you and went yeah , that's exactly what we would have to do , and I think like I think it's more wired .
He nodded yes .
I think it's more wired into us than we think .
This is really interesting Look at like , no , it's fascinating because let's say , imagine a bunch of second graders , imagine a bunch of , I say , second graders are seven years old , roughly in America , I don't know , for in other countries there's different ages for different for the educational system .
But like , if one little kid trusts somebody else with information , that little kid , you don't have to coach them , you don't have to , teachers don't have to come in . The first kid feels shame , even though he , like maybe he thinks he had a reason to do it . Or or I'm gonna make it a man because women have eaten too much shit .
So I'm gonna say it's a boy . But that little boy will say well , he'll know in and of himself , completely without the influence of other people , that he has done something wrong . He is right , he doesn't . It's just like sort of hardwired into the genetic code , generational sort of learning or that sort of thing . So it's a weird thing .
So so when we , when we fast forward to Ted Lasso , we go this is a it's not just your garden variety fight , it's a betrayal and it's . And how do you come back from something like that ?
I would add just quickly oh sorry , bad also sorry .
No , no , no , no , go ahead , go ahead . I was gonna say the language is different , like we don't hear a lot of . It's not like . If you bring that Judas back , you know , I'm gonna , I'm gonna key your car or I'm gonna not even that because that would be . He's like I will . You know he's like I will .
I will throw a donut at you every day till it's not funny .
No , no , no , he's he's for real .
I will burn this place to the fucking yeah , yeah , Like , like hell's coming with me , kind of , kind of yeah .
No , I sorry , coach , you had . Yeah , no , I was jumping on that , and then it was . There's something , too , about the way in which the very moment where Nate got the information he used and it's funny because he says , in that moment I get good ideas and I hold on to him so he might already known then that he was gonna do that shit .
But even if he didn't , that moment wasn't just oh , we assume we can trust each other . It was actually the point of the moment between the characters was you've shared something that you feel vulnerable for sharing , and so we're now each going to share a thing of our own right . So everybody's put something in . So now we're equal , we are bound .
It was like it was . You know it wasn't a blood oath , but it was kind of a blood oath . It was like there's nothing you have to hide from us . So it wasn't a garden variety betrayal either . I mean , it was , you know , that's when you got the info , like when we all had our hands in one , two , three . You know it was pretty awful .
Yeah , it would have been similar to if Ted had gone to the press after Rebecca acknowledged what she did to him at the end of season one 100% . Ted kept her confidence and Nate broke Ted's .
And I would even argue it's even worse than that even . Yes , because , at the very least , because she said I'll understand if you go to press , which I kind of would too . I'm here trying to win , I get relegated . Everybody says I suck . Meanwhile she's like actively sabotaging me . He didn't do that and we love Ted . But yeah , yes , like damn Nate .
Yeah . Yeah that's amazing .
Just a couple of quick things . Number one I need to include in the list of betrayers for the audience members who care about this Heidi Montag . Everybody knows what she did . She knows what she did . Number two I would like to also , that's somebody from your life .
I started to go through movies in my head and I was like no , no , no , no , yeah , sorry , no no , no , no , no , no .
That is actually from the Hills , the MTV show oh , okay , okay , okay . Which I did not watch , but I do know enough about , just like through the soup and everything else , that , yes , I know that she knows what she did .
Number two is that it's not just that Nate betrayed Ted , it's also that Nate was actively talking shit about Ted at the beginning of the season , like he did something terrible and he betrayed Ted and then he was a dick about it , it would have been one of his best .
Yeah , yeah , if he had felt bad .
If he had felt bad , I feel like Beard could have gotten there , but he didn't own anything and he was a dick . And number three is he feels so strongly about this that at the end of season one , when he said , if we get relegated , if we lose , we get relegated , and if we get relegated we will have built nothing .
So he's acknowledging here that they have built a lot .
Yes .
And everything that they've built , he will burn to the fucking ground .
Yes .
If that means Nate's coming back .
I love that you said that , because I had some of that feeling too , that when he said I will burn this place to the fucking ground , that it almost was more significant figuratively because you could rebuild a building .
Yes .
But you can't just rebuild what he's talked about burning down , to the way I heard it . So yes , I'm with you , told him no .
And I want to plant a flag right now for when I am very angry later I need to reach back here to discuss this that Beard is .
¶ Editing and Characters in Ted Lasso
They keep cutting to him throughout the scene where Higgins says that it's fine and Roy says it's fine , and each time you could see Beard becoming more and more upset . Like how the fuck can they say that this is fine ? This is not fine .
I was just about to talk about that . I'm so glad you brought that up , boss , because we talk about editors Melissa McClain , agent Catalan , the editors who worked on Ted Lasso and this is a technical prowess , because usually you have a scene between two people .
This scene is largely between Ted and Higgie , and so you would cut back and forth , but they insert a number of cuts . The second , that Higgins says the word Nathan . Now they incorporate Beard's reaction shots into the scene , which is tough to do , cause when you talk , about what you have in the scene .
It's all about taking air out of the scene , right , and you don't want to hold it . They just keep and you see his physicality sort of tense up . You see his body change .
At first he's casual and Higgins says this and even when he's confirming tuning and how great it is here and things like that , he is doing it with reservation because he's bracing himself for whatever the hell is coming here .
And they keep cutting back to it and feathering in his reaction into the sort of context of Higgins' revelation and you say , like that just adds stakes , it adds discomfort , it adds context . It's just unbelievably talented at editing . And yes , boss , I'm glad you brought that up . That was my next move . Yeah , it's very , very good .
Were you gonna say something else too , boss ?
No , I think that was it .
Okay , so yeah , I will burn this place to the fucking ground . And he doesn't hold back , he is . Beard is holding , he's looking at Ted directly . He's not averting his gaze , he's just . It's funny because he's at a we talk about tactically . Ted has the high ground , ted is standing up . You know , he's Obi-Wan the high ground and Beard is Anakin .
The kick coach is Noah .
No , no , I'm with you . I was channeling Beard . Oh , channeling Beard , yeah .
Right . Yeah , he's just . He just doesn't care , he doesn't matter who , because he's the status-wise , he's the lowest physical person in the room but he has all the . It's almost like he's grounded . He uses that to his advantage because , like I am intractable at this point , like I will burn this place to the fucking ground . And he holds Ted's eyes .
Higgins does what , of course , coach Right does the gag thing which , again I will say , has migrated and taken on all sorts of yeah .
it started in a few different directions of different purposes over the years . This means uncomfortable .
Yeah , and man Jeremy Swift's pulling that shit off over and over again . It's no joke . Ted is raises his eyebrow .
good , yeah , just quickly with the sitting . In my lifetime I've had opportunity to say to somebody , if I stand up and have them know the rest of the sentence so , so , so , so , so , so , so and so those are some of my least favorite moments coach . I could totally , like part of me , also thought it was beard going .
I don't have to yell this , yes , I don't have to stand up , and you and I both know that I mean exactly what the fuck I just said .
Yes , if I have to come over there .
Yeah , exactly , if I have to come over there , exactly that .
It depends how you frame it can , as contextually it's very , you know , my kids have been doing that thing where they watch the Marvel movies I think they didn't care about Marvel for a long time and they're like all right . And they're the type of people like they get this from me , I think where they're just completionists .
They're like all right , if we're gonna watch one , we're gonna watch the whole thing and have a functional understanding of it . And so they go through . But there's this one scene I forget which one , it was Infinity War maybe , but it was Thanos is sitting and I think it's Iron man , thor and one other person , dr Str no , I forget who .
The third one is maybe Star Anyway , it's three no-joke Avengers walk up to Thanos and he doesn't even , he just sits . And I was like I said to him this is , I cannot explain to you . I'm like I pause it and they're like dad , I'm like who's the most powerful person here ? Is it the God of Thunder ? Like , I'm just curious , like is it Tony Stark ?
Like who has all the ? He's not even reaching for his weapon , he just sitting , he is so confident he doesn't have to move . And so there is that little element here where Beards like I think Beards , the one in the right , I think Beards the only one tethered to reality .
He's making sense . I mean this is nuts . I mean we in the sort of vague , what we're supposed to be rooting for away , I think we can want it , but in real life I'd totally be Amen and Beard Like come on man , what the fuck ? Will we even discuss it right now ?
We talk a little bit about what the fourth thing is and what we think it should be . And , coach , remember you were talking about love and I will say it's decisiveness , and I think decisiveness has been completely undersold in this entire show . But low key , the 10th lasso way doesn't work without some real structural manipulation .
And now here's the thing he can play Farm Boy all he wants , but even in this moment , when he's totally off his game and out of sync with Beard and his mom is in the next room driving him crazy , I think he still is manipulating . So when he looks at Beard and he raises his eyebrows like he's stunned , I'm like he's not stunned .
He knows Beard , so he knew the whole time . He's known exactly what Beard was . It's his best friend , right ? He's not surprised . He's like oh well , damn . Oh okay , well , and luckily they saved by the bell because Trent pops his head in . But I'm like he's pretending here oh well , hey , shit .
He's already started the coaching that he's gonna finish . Wow , okay , I whipped it . Yeah , yeah , no , no for sure .
I mean , at some point we can do a through line of how Ted chooses to manipulate different people in different ways because he's ahead of them . He's further along on the monopoly board than they are and he knows that they have to pass go . They don't know that yet .
If we're gonna make an impact here , the first domino that needs to fall is right inside that military . He has the script already and he does whatever it takes to get other people to comport to whatever the tenets of that script
¶ Ted's Mom and Beard's Relationship
are . So we get Trent popping his head in here and he says what does Trent say in this scene here ? Sort of , it's not quite a trickly cutter , but it definitely changes the energy quickly . What does he say here , boss ?
Is it true ? You got on stage and danced with Bruce Springsteen ?
Right , I know that was Courtney Cox , that was famously Yep that was Courtney Cox , it was so funny .
It was not me that was so funny .
What I did do was what boss ?
Sing Glory Days with the Bruce Springsteen cover band at my friend Scotty Cinnamon's Bar Mitzvah . Oh right , it was the Bar Mitzvah . Is that he jumping in ?
Oh , that right . Yes , that's , amazing .
Was it Bruce Springsteen ? Was it you know ?
Right , six or one . What are the other ?
Think about how it would be that this is his mother figure . This is the person who raised him single-handedly as a person that would convince Scotty Cinnamon's Bar Mitzvah cover band with Bruce Springsteen . She it's not like she's conflated them . She has replaced them with a much better story , which you go .
This is where Ted gets his he could just this is you know she believes it . It's not like if she hadn't been corrected , that would have been the story she was going with and she would have , like , died on that hill . Right , right , right , like no my son did that Like I saw it with my own ass .
You know it's interesting . You go there because it made me question for the first time and I don't actually think this , but it made me at least question when he made the Ronnie Fauci reference to sorry to Roy . On some level are we to believe , or is there a possibility that somehow he has remembered it as it happened to somebody ?
I mean , yeah , that he was imagining it in the same way that Dottie imagined .
Yeah .
Yeah , right .
That he thought somebody else . No , I'm serious .
I'm kind of curious A couple people ate it .
A couple people ate it , he doesn't say who that's true . He doesn't , but you get the sense it wasn't , certainly was not him .
Yeah , yeah , that was my take . Yeah , oh , for sure , I was very surprised , oh yeah , and part of what was so stunning about for me , about that revelation , is I never considered for a second that Ronnie Fauci got him Never won , like I never even considered it To the Victor Go the Spoils coach .
It's amazing how history is rewritten by the Victor's coach . Just ask the ancient Romans .
There you go , there you go .
So is this . Your mom Higgins is just absolutely stunned . Yeah , oh , it's so nice to meet you . He extends his hand , goes right to her . Again , the same way , everybody , such a profound respect for Ted . Oh , friends , no , shake hands .
Friends hug , and there's a little clip in there , a little tiny insert , where we cut to Ted and he boss , can you make out ? Is he saying something there ? Like you know , there's like a little , because he doesn't have any audible dialogue that I can see . But friends hug and like it's like . He's like oh God , or something I don't know .
Do you see that little clip ?
He might be , let me . I'm sorry I'm watching it one more time . We'll follow up , but I can't make anything out specifically .
It's like he's trying , it's almost like the beginning of a thought .
And he , he's like sort of flummoxed and he's trying to yeah , literally his jaw just drops , not like in a shack way , just like ugh . I don't think he says any words , though , actually .
Right , okay , that's exactly what I got . He's like about to , about to protest , or , oh God , like friends don't shake hands , friends hug . And then , of course , dottie sees , sees , your favorite .
Obviously .
What does she say , boss ?
Ah , weirdo , weirdo .
And coach what does ? What does ? What does Beard say here ?
Dottie Dottie , which is a slick Rick and a Dougie Fresh classic , absolute classic . So that , yeah , I I I believed he would know that song . It's an unbelievable . I've talked about the Gen X references . I mean this is even deeper in the crate than the Bismarck key reference and that was pretty deep in the crate . So yeah , and I really enjoyed that .
So she's coming on bringing in there . There you go , tread him along . She just is a force of nature . You see where Ted gets it . This is her version of it . Certain people can get out , get away with this , this , this hugging every person inside it is . It is stunning . I wouldn't .
I can't even tell you how many times my mom has FaceTime me like barely understanding how to use her phone from a sports event , like a red . The last one was like last week at a Red Sox game where she's like say hi to my friends and I'm like what ? Like I'm like what the Wait ?
And she holds the phone up and like the entire section is like oh yeah , cheering Cause she has taken over the section . Like the number number 115 , you know what I mean . Like she has everybody in it , is waving at her phone on FaceTime , wow , and you go , they're like a bottom of the first inning . You're like how bottom of the first .
Like it is a and coach , none of those people are going . Oh , you can't stand her . They're going . What a treat , what a delight , yeah , yeah . So it is certain people . They can pull it off . God love them . So I would like to throw one last thing , which is that beard does like a little ode to break dancing .
A little electric boogie move there . That I thought was . You know , as long as we're doing cherries on top that was . That was a pretty sweet thing to add to that moment .
And I'm going to add I don't want to say it turned on top , but just to ruin your cherry . Well , that sounds weird . Sorry , but what , what , what .
What , what ? I don't think we're going to have to talk like that or work anymore .
No , we're definitely not , definitely not . For me , only in retrospect . There is something disingenuous about this scene and I'm going to talk about it when we get there , but I believe that this is the relationship between beard and Dottie . Now , when we learn more things in the episode later , why am I so sure about that ?
There is now some tension in what I'm seeing and what I don't see .
So you just decided you had a problem with the episode in the first place . So you went back and found yourself some evidence to pile up on top now so that you see that coach , you see what she does .
Oh my God , I did not , I did not I came especially after , like there was some stuff about . Even when we first did the rapid response to international break , I was like you know what ? At this point it is what it is .
Everything's fine .
But it wasn't until actual later information that I was like wait a fucking minute .
No , you make a yeah , yeah , yeah . Well , you haven't made .
And we'll get there . I haven't made , but we will get there . Yes .
It's an interesting story , I'm planting another flag .
This is unfortunately reminiscent of my case against Roy Kent in episode nine of season one . I'm laying the foundation for what I'm going to be building later .
She's very smart , see , because she does not have children . She has the band , the brain power , because the things that the little , little kernels of information , she's the breadcrumbs , she's dropping coach , are where you and her are completely aligned . And I am out in Siberia , especially on the one that she just talked about . She's so is devil .
The right word Is devil Probably .
Actually , you know what I was actually ? I was thinking in between these two recordings , when you said something about not wanting to be cute or nice those things , and you said you know like , my thing .
Maybe that's a cute .
Yeah , don't call me . Don't call me cute . I did remember a guy who one time referred to me sort of affectionately , but not entirely , as a complete lunatic and I was like , oh oh , he likes , that's it . No really . I was like oh oh , he was saying that to be nice .
Well , that's funny .
I'm a complete lunatic . I feel seen .
Toss your hair .
Thank you , yeah , hey , thanks .
That's awesome , exactly , yeah , yeah , that makes sense .
Okay . So yeah , we get beard doing a little little hip hop here , little little break dancing , and then we , we move , we cut to . I don't , is this KJP ? Wait , wait , wait , wait , wait , wait , wait .
I know you're not about to skip what your favorite things in the entire series .
How does ? Oh my God , I was , I was , you're right . Thank you , coach .
I'm gonna be right down .
Oh man , talk about being out of sync . I do love . Thank you very much for saying this . I love this so much , ted . Yeah , this is I don't again .
¶ TV Show Episode and Character Analysis
There's nothing more me in this episode than this . What does he yell , coach ? I mean , good look , he sees everybody celebrating . He is out of the celebration , right . He's completely on the outside looking in . He hates everything he sees because he knows all the tendrils of it . He knows what this is , he knows how she does it .
He's watched his mom weave her spell over people for so many years .
It is exhausting . What the hell is he doing here anyway ? Yeah yeah .
Underneath all that ? Yeah , yeah , he's under all kinds of stress , and what does he yell here ?
coach , some of us got a football team to go , as he slams Absolutely . I don't even know how he managed to have it be in semi the right position , because he absolutely slams his visor onto his head I was like , oh , he is completely unhinged . Like he is unhinged , he screams that Some of us got a football team to coach .
It's so good . Oh , thank you . Thank God I didn't pass that up . Yes , thank you , coach . That is a gift you gave me Because I would have cried . I love it . I love it so much . It is so true , it is so great , it's so weird .
Listen , ok , this is why lead tasso doesn't work for me , because this is what lead tasso would be this guy and this guy losing his mind . He is not . There's no artifice to it . There's no . Before he throws the slams the visor on , he makes a frowny face . Like you know what I mean , like constantly . He's just , he's impotent , he is rendered helpless .
In this moment he's supposed to be the boss of this organization and his mom comes in and within 14 seconds she repurposes every relationship he's made or , worse than that , she takes advantage of that . You know what ? I get that too , because there's a reason , coach , to met my mom , and then I know we talk about it .
So sorry to make this about me , but it really is . There's a thing that they do they surf on the work you've done . So it's like I'm like no , orlando Bishop , never , you would never get Orlando . Bishop , never I've seen your friends . You wouldn't have a prayer of somebody this good , right . I've seen your friends .
That's great . I've seen your friends .
I know your relationship . I know how you burn them out . I know the whole thing . You would never have this relationship and you get to coast in , put your hands on his face , talk about his beautiful hair , get the fuck . You know like I go . This is my work . God damn it my work . You could have never done this work . That's really great .
So I'm just saying this is what 10 .
Yeah , it's 100% . So I don't know who on staff has this relationship or fully understands it , but this is accurate . This is exactly how it is .
It's exactly right . So I'm going to call out one thing you said and I'm going to preface it by saying I'm intentionally not making the blue joke , because I seriously want the suit to be a part of the conversation later . You said impotent , that he felt impotent , and I think you may have found something of a through line in this episode .
There's a lot of people trying to do things , or you know , and not being able to do the thing they're trying to do . So I think you actually may have touched on something that they are showing us throughout in different ways with different characters . So you see why I didn't want to start down the impotential path , because I would have .
I appreciate that , Coach . I want to point out that some people said what do you need a life coach ? What the hell is a life coach , Please ? There were no life coaches when I was a kid , right . And the reason you need a life coach is because Coach Bishop looked at that and he goes yeah , he can see the whole field , he goes .
There are all these people who are feeling the sense of impotence , right , but the life coach , the personal coaching , is the one that helps you with the how . Mm Right , we all just go like , look at all these guys go . It's so hard to just look inside your own brain and figure out the how of a situation .
Right , A life coach can step back and be like OK , let's break this apart and see , Do you know that you want to get there ? Do you realize you're at one side of a bridge and you're trying to walk through the other side ? I mean , I guess , OK .
So Dude , you think you can walk across Right right , right .
Anyway , I think it's amazing . I think this shows exactly that we all is rave about your coaching , and I've had years of it in one way or another . Boss is not worthy of it .
That is ridiculous .
That is ridiculous .
No , that's fine , that makes sense . I got that .
But she knows she's smart enough to see it . She's just not invited to the prom , so to speak .
No , well , I went to prom my senior year . I didn't get invited to my junior year , but that was fine . I think I went to go see God damn it , the cheerleading movie , not bring it on . Oh yeah maybe bring it on . Oh shit , no , drop Dead Gorgeous . That's what I saw .
Drop Dead Gorgeous , never mind this is why I'm doing my life coaching In lieu of your junior prom . You went to Drop Dead . Gorgeous , Is that where ?
you're saying I sure did . I was not popular in high school . I don't know if that's coming across , given the fact that I literally just got done saying that one time a man called me a complete lunatic and I was favoring that . I liked that . I don't know Is it coming through that I didn't hang out with a lot of cool kids in high school .
The cool kids in high school . I'm sure there's a way to find out how they all ended up being fucking awful , but very rarely do you have a cool kid in high school that ends up an awesome person . High school is such a bastion of depravity and emotional violence .
Well , and also my high school was so big my graduating class was like 485 kids or something , yeah , the full high school . I think my entire high school was almost 3,000 .
That's big in my undergrad Wow .
Yeah , huge , huge . Oh wow , that is gigantic .
Yeah , that's crazy . My high school wasn't that big . Oh yeah , no , no , no 485 was my graduating class , so there were just too many people to know who actually the cool kids were . Like the band nerds were not really concerned with who was playing football and the theater kids didn't care about who was on the wrestling team . So I don't know .
I don't think I was a cool kid , but I did go to parties . I got drunk a lot . That's not cool . If there are children listening , don't listen to what I said .
I hate , not know .
That's great , that's great , that's so great . Yeah , it's not worth it out of context , but the t-shirt of I don't think I was a cool kid is pretty kind of enough . I don't think I was a cool kid . All right , we'll jump forward now . Coach , walk us through what's going on here . Beard walks into . Is it KJPR ? Is this the new KJPR ?
Is that how you guys think of it ? That way , it's Rory , but yes , it's the new KJPR .
Oh , what did I say ?
beard . Yeah , yeah , yeah , we were still talking Because he's got a beard .
I'm looking at a guy with a beard . Yeah Right , roy walks into KJPR and walk us through this .
So we get the apple crunch and oh hello . So we've got our friend . Babs is eating an apple and asks are you here about the pipes ? And Roy , no , what's wrong with the pipes ? To which she says nothing . That's why I thought it was so weird that you would hear about pipes . So I had no idea what to do with that .
Like I love her and so sure , ok , I don't even say I laughed . I guess I smiled like OK , this is all good and weird , but I didn't really get what that moment was . I gotta be honest .
Yeah , no , I get it . I loved it , did you ? It's actually my kind of joke . Yeah , yeah yeah , no , no , it's my kind of yeah , because she looked at him . She's like , oh , this guy looks like he's here for the pipes or something like you here for the pipes or what . He's not here for anything she requested .
So he looks like a pipe , a pipe a pipe surgeon to her . You're about the pipes .
Did you just bring up pipe surgeon in order to make sure that you didn't have to say anything about a pipe layer , Because you could have just gone ? Plumber Like plumber , I think , is what you were looking for . Pipe surgeon is not a thing .
I find on podcasts that any reference to plumbers makes people think of plumbers butts . Is that not ? Is that just me ? Oh , you were trying to plumber without a plumber butt .
Yeah , and instead you said pipe surgeon . And now I need pipe surgeon on a t-shirt .
Pipe fitter . I was thinking pipe fitter , there we go , pipe fitter's even .
Yes , no , that absolutely works .
But they're not surgeons . Pipe pod show Pipe . Ok , that's like a weird , precise lame pipe .
Bingo .
We got to get him Trying to walk around that because I have dirty minded heathens on this show .
¶ Comedy Scene and Random Topic Discussion
That is cool , I'm all for it and I like it . It's weird in an off-putting way , and so is Barbara , so I'm good with it . Keely walks around the corner and boss . What does Keely say ? Roy what are ? You doing here All right so , boss , you're going to be Keely , and coach , you are going to be Roy .
And let's just walk through the lines and then we'll talk about it .
Roy .
Oh no , not about us . I just I need your help with Jamie . He's all fucked up . He's all fucked in the head and I've tried to do it myself , but it's all the emotional shit you're good at . Also , you look nice .
You want my help with Jamie .
And then , well , anyway , to this , this , this you look nice , no , that's good . That is the line he says , yeah , and you look nice , to which she takes that line . And then Barbara , very loudly , takes a bite of her apple and he says , oh , you too , and her fit . I am such a Katie Wicks fan . Oh no , it's a great moment . It's great .
I mean , she is spectacular . How do you ? This is like again no small roles , only small actors . You just go . Oh my God , like her face , how she turns the smile on immediately . She has this line about what does it say ? It's like only a couple quid or something like that .
Oh , yeah , two pounds from a car boot sale , yeah , car boot sale , which I'm guessing . Ok , that's not .
She bought out of like a guy's trunk , right , is that ?
what A boot is a trunk right , that's what .
I understand right yeah .
So car boot sale , I'm guessing , is like maybe a sidewalk vendor of some kind or something .
Yeah , that would make sense . But yeah , I mean yeah , she essentially said I bought out of some guy's trunk .
Mobile thrift sale kind of thing .
right , ok , so thank you , but she does a little like a miniature hair flip . Yes , yes , and that was what got me Like sometimes comedy is a funny thing . Man , like it was huge , but it was a little . She was like , thank you , that's what makes it work .
It's not overstated , she's so subtle . I just think she's very , very gifted . And I looked her up and it was like , oh , she's a Welsh , katie Victoria Wicks . Katie Victoria J Wicks is a Welsh actress , writer , author and artist and I was like , oh good , I want to read her writing , I want to see her art . I'm like , just give me .
I was like , where the hell have I seen her before ? Have you guys seen Stafflet's Flats ? Have you ever seen that ? Ok , highly recommend . Like to the point where it was like possibly going to be one of our shows Later . You just go . Oh man , this is really , really good . I'm like I knew I had seen her before .
Anyway , yeah , she's great , she's understated . And then there's this shot that I want to call out before we continue , where they do a reaction shot , and it's a two shot of Roy and Keely looking at Barbara . It's just Barbara's not in frame , it's just the two of them . Roy is confounded .
He is like studying Barbara with his big eyebrows down his brow frown Like what in the hell is this creature ? Like ? What am I saying ? And Keely has this note . Keely is , first of all , has this beautiful bow in her hair , but very understated , she's almost like a watered-in for something .
She's very , very natural looking , but she has this knowing smile on her face as she looks at Barbara , because she's like I know what this is Like .
I've experienced this mythical creature and how she does things and she's grown to love it and Roy is still like it's like what in the f yeah , like this is a beautiful shot and it really brings the point home .
Before you leave this scene and I totally agree on that shot . I got another wrap out of me , interestingly , when she says you want my help with Jamie . On my first , however many views of this , I thought that was her . Oh , thank God you're not here to talk about our relationship .
I mean , I wanna talk to you about something that would take us away from that conversation . But as we're talking about it , as we talk through it there in an interesting way , if I'm talking to Roy , if I were doing like a post game with Roy , I'd be like that was your path to get back with her .
You keep telling her she looks nice , but you didn't tell her that she's smart or mostly intelligent or a great communicator or that you need her . You didn't like like you know what I'm saying Like he is finding his way in terms of how do you do this ?
When he asks like how do you know if a girl likes you and whatever , like he's catching up emotionally or in terms of his maturity , of this kind of thing and he's not getting that she actually the most attracted she seemed in this entire scene was when she said you want my help with Jamie . That was as turned on as she seemed .
Yes , I disagree . I think all you have to do is critique a woman , just like give a woman compliments about her looks and that's it . I think that's all . Yeah , no , I can confirm .
I'm pretty sure .
That's all it takes , coach . Jess , you look great . Yeah , that's it . That's it . That's all you need . All right , excellent point , coach . I appreciate that , god . I wish I'd known these rules of engagement back in grade school . But no one teaches boys this stuff , coach . Seriously , they don't .
You gotta learn from the idiot on the street that tells you to catch all . Who's telling you everything wrong ? Who ?
tells you every wrong thing Dumbest loudest .
People are the conduits of misinformation . To boys , from idiot to idiot . Daisy , chained on down the centuries until you're electing all the wrong people and the version of brazen stupidity on display in this world , in worldwide . It's not , oh yeah yeah , yeah . I'm hearing you Worldwide brazen stupidity .
It's unfathomable that this is where we are , but anyway , that's how it happens , because we just don't get the 411 early enough . Okay , so thank you , thank you , and now we go to Pinball Machine . Ding-ing boss , what is happening ? This place is very charming .
Oh well , it's the pub . And it reminds her of this Irish bar we went to in Topeka .
Well , you probably don't wanna share that with me . You're marvelous . Oh no , no , God , you got it .
The Irish part or the Topeka part ? Both really . So it's a Dottie and Ted catching up chatting at the bar .
Yeah , also , like she seems unaware of why these , that combination of things , just wouldn't be a compliment , but she's just sharing that . That's what it reminds her as close as she's ever been . Right , but I just thought it was like to be very funny .
Yeah , you very careful coach , be very careful . We have a undead wraith on this podcast who , if you malign a city , even tangentially , she will put it on Twitter . Oh no , what happened ?
Oh , I gotta hand this .
No , no , no . Remember when I barely was like I just said , basically Kansas City ain't London . Oh yeah , I didn't say ain't , but I did say Kansas City ain't London . I was just like listen , it's not London , right , if you can make it there , you can make it anywhere , it's London . Man no come on , nobody's standing up for Topeka .
I'm sorry listeners in Topeka if you were there . I apologize , but it's a little bit like trying to talk about Rockford in Illinois . Like you have the city , you get one city for each state , Except for some of your little ones , Maine and Delaware . You don't have cities that I'm aware of . I can't name any . Is there a city in Delaware ?
Hush your mouth , girl . No , I do not know Delaware . I am not familiar with . I have no understanding of what Delaware is about at all . For those people listening over in Africa , Delaware is one of our states . Yeah , that's right .
But yeah , my cousins and I should go to Delaware or we have gone to Delaware several times to rent like a house at Bethany Beach . We all hang out there . Yeah , it was kind of random .
I'm trying to buy there . So yeah , but no , it's not .
I mean , it's a city , maybe by definition , but no , there's not .
So that , yeah , that's the thing no . I've never been to Topeka , but I would like to .
Yeah , I'm sure that it's actually lovely . There is an issue for me , though , in that , because I have always lived in or very close to Chicago when people say city , I think a city , I need a downtown , I need a business district , I need mass transit Like that is a city .
And so then , when people are like , oh , minneapolis , the city of the Midwest , I'm like you have as many people as the small suburb I grew up in Like you are not a city , you're fine , you're fine , minneapolis , you're not a city . So that's me being an asshole .
Minneapolis didn't make the cut . That's tough , that's that .
You're making it an exclusive club .
You're making it an exclusive club .
Minneapolis , wow Fuck .
Minneapolis . That's why they have to hold hands with .
That's why they have to hold hands with St Paul , Cause they can't stand in their own . It's like Gemini .
It's fucking two of you God damn if you put Naperville and Aurora Illinois together we wouldn't be like , oh , we're the twin cities . Cause , like you're fucking nothing Like that's garbage . You , I'm going to sign with the good people of Minneapolis .
No , no , yeah , no , no . I want nothing to do with this . I'm distancing myself .
¶ Heritage, Capitals, and Personal Relationships
All of my Swedish lineage . A lot of Swedes ended up in Minnesota . I'm not going against them to for some barbarian from .
I mean we have Andersonville , that's , we have a Swedish museum in Andersonville , in the city of Chicago . All of the Swedish things you could possibly care for . We've got like we don't need Minneapolis . We have many Minneapolis in our city . Fuck off Wow .
Unacceptable , unacceptable .
I'm just in favor of like , agree , disagree . That was a strong fucking take on what is a city at our Minneapolis . I was like wow , I'm impressed , Cause I did not expect any of that . I was like wow , okay , you really have crossed this shit through .
It's not Minneapolis' fault . I moved there when I was dating a guy . It's entirely my fault . It's not even his fault . I knew I didn't like him and I still moved there . That was entirely on me , minneapolis and Ryan , I apologize , that was entirely me , but both of you do suck still Like it was on me for taking that , but you both do still suck .
But it doesn't mean they don't suck right , Fair enough .
I just want to point out that you've maligned two state capitals . I don't think coach knows the capitals of states , but Topeka is the capital of Kansas and St Paul is the capital of .
Minnesota . I knew St Paul . I did not know Topeka .
Yeah , I gotta tell you .
The capital is usually not good .
No , the capital is usually not the best city in the state .
What sayeth the good people of Sacramento , albany ?
I'm not responding to one of these Because I went through Springfield one time and I was like well , now I understand why Abe got out , because they got shit there .
That's a great joke , Jack shit , honest Abe . Honest Abe got out . That's a good joke . That's Abraham Lincoln joke for all you whippersnappers following .
That is some deep nerdy stuff .
A lot of history buffs . I'm like , wow , Really Number one in Lithuania . Did I mention that ?
They're like Springfield Lincoln . What the fuck's going on ?
over there . They are here for it . They are here for it , okay . So one thing I really liked about this scene is that there's a moment where they're doing this catch up , no , no , no .
And then Beard puts his hands behind his head because he has game over on the Wizard of Oz machine and he reacts like it's the worst thing that's ever happened to him and I love competitors . Did you catch any of this , coach ?
I was like he's coaching , so he's playing for Keith . Oh yeah , no , you want to win . Like what ? The hell ? Absolutely absolutely .
But it's just not like ah like you imagine , he would do this with ax throwing , with a chest . But he just man , he just feels it in his core when he loses .
He had Jane ready to bed him down and couldn't just allow himself to be checkmated at the gala and close that deal . He was like nope , he chose a game over to Dane .
I love it . I think it's a beautiful moment . And then he says Matt Tarn , excuse me , he's only too thrilled . He's been looking back three or four times a period just like when the fuck am I gonna get out of here ? Like he has a hard time sitting with his mom because there's not a whole lot cooking between them . Their take on the world is very different .
She must seem to him like a real hayseed for a international sort of persona like him who has conquered the big city . You know what I mean ? It's funny to us because we're like we've been calling him Ned Flanders for three years and yet you know .
Also it reminds me a bit of that whole idea that , like , sometimes the loneliest place you can be is in a crowded room and to be sitting next to your mom and feeling like , honestly , like this is probably top 10 places I hate to be right now .
Yeah , that's gotta be it . You see , opposite of being sad and being alone being the worst thing is being with someone and feeling alone . There's off of the national's newest album .
One of my favorite songs has a line about overhearing his wife on a phone call in the bathroom saying maybe you're better off leaving than staying in it alone , and like being in a relationship and feeling like you're the only one doing any of the work . That is fucking rough . That is not good . So having that with your mom would be , yeah , a bad thing .
Oh , tell me about it , sister . Oh , oh , ah , somewhere at Juliana's chuckling like mm-hmm .
Yeah , mm-hmm .
Like you do any work , fool , okay . So yeah , there is that moment . It's also . It's an invasion of sorts because again , he didn't invite her here . This is what his special place is , where him and Beard come to like really unwind and let loose and be himself .
And she's sitting there with a half a glass of rosé making weird like she's gonna kind of queer his relationship with . Is that appropriate to say that queer ? I guess it is .
Yeah , I mean I get why you asked it . I don't know what the sort of like etymology of it is , but yeah , it didn't stand out to me .
Anyway , she's gonna alter his relationship with Beard Right like on some , on some . No , with Beard , I'm sorry , with May , right , right , it's like , oh , you know , oh , your place looks like a book and a shit-out won't stick it . Like , oh , thank you , you're like I wouldn't tell her that .
Like it's not , you know , like that's how he hears it and he's only too eager to zip over to the machine . Boss , pick it up from trying to follow the yellow brick road . Can you or you know how are you doing ? Kind of timeframe .
Oh , so when he sits down because he has no problem hanging out with Daddy just the two of them she says , how's he doing ? And he says , well , I'm ahead , but he's better set up for the whole type of all , just no silly pants . How's he doing ?
And he says , well , he's Ted still running around in circles making sure everybody's okay , without accepting a drop of help for himself . Pretty much , how are you doing , daddy ?
Right , yeah . Oh , don't you worry about me Now . Y'all got enough cooking without putting my troubles on your to-do list , right , I wonder ?
where Ted gets it from .
I wonder where he gets it from so painful . The lack of a where like this is next level . Like okay , we learned through this that Ted had some work to do and he needed to get down under the Ted Lasso character he had built and way of being that he had built and deal with some shit and blah , blah , blah , blah , blah .
But he wasn't absolutely clueless , like when Rupert is like howdy partner . It's not that he misses that , rupert's mocking him , he's just like I'm not gonna play that game with you , but I don't like Daddy's not in any way shape or form being funny here or ironic in any way .
She honestly said that out loud and had no idea that she was literally doing it in this moment . That is , you are detached . I think it was a great you know , given all that we know about her , she is super detached from , like what the fuck is actually going on .
Well , you have to imagine she was born in the 50s and there is an element of 50s housewife to ingrain in her upbringing , I'm sure where it's like .
You know , you have all these scenes in different shows Marvelous , miss Maisel and some other great shows where the wife has to go to bed , get up before the husband wakes up to do her makeup and then clean down back in bed . All this horrendous stuff and the different gender disparities . So I'm sure that contributes to it .
But yeah , it's striking to see it , in contrast to what Beard says about Ted , and then again , without any self-awareness , that's her go-to move . Here you go for May . Oh , thank you , may . Cheers May , oh May , your pub is wonderful . It's nothing like that Irish place in Tupin which is Ted told her fucking not to say it .
No , no , she didn't say it .
She didn't say it . She said exactly what Ted told her essentially to say Don't tell May that it reminds you of that Irish place in Tupica .
So she said it did .
And she said , oh , it's nothing , oh , it's wonderful , it's nothing like that .
Which is like why would you say anything ? But yeah , you're right .
Yeah , no , it still comes off super weird , because May doesn't know what that Irish place in Tupica is , if she knows , what Tupica is . So May , has to roll with it . May is just like oh well , thank you , that's , I'll take your word for it .
Anyone know what ODD is oppositional defiant disorder ? I ?
do , but yeah , you might wanna explain it as pre-specific .
Again . This is so every once in a while . Let's say I said to my mom hey , we're going out of town , here's the key to the house . Just check it , just get my mail or whatever whatever , not that I would just stop the mail , you can do that through the post office , whatever .
But if you said to her whatever you do , just please don't go look in that one drawer right there , please don't do that . What do you think the first thing my mom is gonna do , I mean like first thing , Because number one I would need to do that .
The first thing I would do was look in that drawer . That was . I don't think so .
Yes , If we were friends if I said look , this is a different , I know this is what , then you're Jack . Basically , remember the Jack .
I was just gonna say , I was just gonna say yes , watch this happen here . Yeah , yeah , yeah .
So we have to go see what's in her drawer . But you're , jack , don't go to my door . No , that makes a lot of sense yeah , you're Jack .
No , that's good . Okay , moving on , you're Jack . So , jack , what's your ?
take on , Hold on because here's a different thing .
If you tell somebody don't go in , that like the assumption I assume people are not gonna go through my shit if they need to be in my house for whatever reason , Like , if I trust you , I assume either you can see whatever I have going on or you are not going to investigate a place that I would prefer you not to .
But once you plant that seed in somebody's head , like , whatever you do , don't look behind that door . You have to look behind the door . There could be a door the entire time , and if you don't mention it , I do not care . And the second you say don't go in there , I'll be like well , what do you have , though ? Tell me .
I feel like it's just a different tier of okay . So let's reframe it . What if I said make sure the kids get their medication before they go to bed ?
You know what I'm gonna do .
Not give them medication . Don't yeah , cause she'll say I don't believe in medication .
Oh well , now she has a good reason not to yeah they shouldn't have it Right as long as you're right .
Yeah , when I grew up , she didn't believe in allergies . That was the . That was the thing . You told me , that that was amazing . Every summer I would get a crate cause . We lived on the lake and I had water ski every day and I would get crazy colds during the summer . I could never figure it out and I think I'm alerted . No , allergies are just .
It's just an excuse that weak people make up to not go to work . That's what allergies are , wow .
There's so much tact in there , brother . All right , there's a lot , there's a lot .
So when we say you know , may says I'll take your word for it . She's polite , she goes over to Ted and this is a oh well , no , before she does that . There's a funny little sort of interchange here with sorry , not interchange , exchange . An interchange is a road .
Yeah .
A little exchange here with Beard and Dottie and Boss . Walk us through what . It's so funny , it's so quintessentially beard , this little moment . What , what , what , what did they say ?
So you seen , anyone had my heart ripped out of my chest , stomped into a pulp and dragged through the town square for everyone to ridicule . Oh sweetie , that's okay , you'll meet someone .
No , I'm in love here wanna see a picture Phenomenal , phenomenal .
That is . That is . That is God . Is there anything more beard ? I had my heart ripped out of my chest , stomped into a pulp and dragged through the town square for everyone to ridicule and I was like is it because it has left him disarmed ? Is it because he was helpless to stop it ? He was , he could see it , but he couldn't resist it .
They saw it happening to himself in real time and he was helpless to stop it . I'm like I was trying to figure out what like she got past my defenses , no matter what . I had no counterbalance for whatever she did to me and for him it's like okay , that's how he was conquered almost weirdly Well .
I mean , he had to feel like there were forces against him . I mean , his own house key betrayed him , so oh yeah .
So I took it a lot more
¶ Romanticizing Relationships and Accepting Heartache
. Have I told you about how the most romantic movie that's ever existed is Eternal Sunshine of Spotless Mind ?
I don't believe you have . I don't think you have because I'm listening .
God , I love that movie and specifically sorry everybody if you haven't seen it yet it came out literally 20 years ago , so I don't feel like I'm spoiling too much . But the last couple of lines , joel , who is Jim Carrey , says I don't see anything that I don't like about you .
And Clementine , who is Kate Winslet , says but you will , but you will , you will see something you don't like and I'll get bored with you because that's what I do . And he says okay , and she , like after a beat , goes oh , okay .
Like they're both acknowledging it's the same thing as in you're the worst , when Gretchen Cutler is like it doesn't matter if it's two weeks from now or 40 years , we are signing up for heartache and we are inviting it .
Like there are people for whom relationships are not dependent on how much you actually like the other person , like that's a big part of it , but it's also the extent to which this person could absolutely destroy my life is an indication of how much the relationship means . Because you like we just agree to do this , Like we just fucking sign up .
We're like you're gonna destroy me , and I know that that's true and either it's gonna be because you break my heart and leave me or because you die . But one way or another , I am asking you to inflict a lot of pain on me , and I think that that's a good thing . Like this is the relationship .
Wow Coach .
Yeah .
Coach is thinking his head .
I love this . I'm like , oh my God .
It's super fucked up .
But Drink her in , coach , drink her in . That's the thing for some of us . This is who she is .
Some of us are like yeah , you can hurt me worse than anybody else , so you are the person I am picking .
Well , it's interesting because that is a part of this show too . I mean , that is essentially what Rebecca says to say . And he says , no , I'm not scared . And he's like , oh , I'm , yeah . Shit , you are fucking terrifying dude , and you know . And so , yeah , I think that's an intense thing . I will say this I'll bring us down .
I promise to make some inappropriate jokes in a few minutes and help out , but my I've probably mentioned it before my mom died in March of 2005 and my kids were born in May . So it was quite a stretch of my life there and I specifically remember standing over my kids' cribs and thinking I am so sorry , like I signed you up for this .
I wasn't thinking about that when I decided to do that . I'm really sorry and genuinely feeling like , oh shit , right . And then , so as you described that , I was like no , really , I get that , it's not . It's not as like it's not cynical , it's dark , but it's not cynical , it's almost like clear eye .
Yes , yeah , it's not nihilistic , it's not pessimistic , it isn't cynical . It is an acknowledgement that part of loving somebody that much is being open enough and vulnerable enough that they will do things , whether intentional or not , that will end up hurting you Absolutely and you believe that the good parts will outweigh the bad parts .
But when you were opening yourself , like anybody could do the fucking good parts the good parts are easy Like of course you could do that , it's that you believe that the good parts are gonna be so good that you're going to walk into fucking heartache in order to get to the good parts .
Yeah , well , I think , yeah , there's some shared delusion that we romanticize relationships in a way where it's not you're the worst . It's not lost to me that your favorite show is named You're the Worst , but yeah , no , no , it's not . It's very clear eyed and on that level it's very sort of it's almost more . I don't know , I guess
¶ Parenting Choices and Impact on Children
you're just . It's very profound to make those choices in a clear , headed way . And , coach , I totally relate to you about . I've said that to the kids so many times . They said you know , I always say like I thought really hard about bringing you guys into this world . And then they said , oh , then you brought four of us , you fucking dick .
Basically , I was like I want you to have company .
I don't know , I like kids .
But I was like I think you can hack it . You know , my hope is that when we're done here , you'll be able to hack it whatever this world can dish out , and that's my goal , to do that and so .
But yes , I understand that it is sometimes , sometimes some of the biggest choices we make , we don't make them with clear eyes and so , yeah , it is kind of profound when you see that people do that boss , it is powerful . Okay , your mom's a peach Boss . Walk us through this please .
All right , this one too , I'm just pointing out I don't want to let Bishop feel left out of the conversation we can share , because I'd really like to do the poetry that's coming . Oh , that's an action .
Yeah , I was going to throw it to you for that , coach . I yeah , but go ahead , let's start this out for your boss .
All right . So May walks over to Ted and says your mom's a peach . He says yeah , thanks , here , I'll swap you . There you are , and they switch out glasses . She says you know , ted , pinball is a lot more fun if you use an actual ball .
Yes , Well she's like she didn't miss that . She didn't like you know . She noticed . Okay , he is hiding .
Yes , I said , your mom is a peach and you are hiding from her .
Yeah , yeah .
Yeah , interesting . You know , I was letting coach and my mom catch up a little , that's all .
Yes , that's sure , that's all .
And now we're going to cue the poetry stylings of performance artist Orlando Bishop .
They fuck you up your bum and dad . They may not mean to , but they do . They fill you with the faults they had and add some extra just for you . But they were fucked up in their turn by fools and old style hats and coats who half the time were a soppy stern and half at one another's throats . Man hands on misery to man .
It deepens like a coastal shelf . Get out as early as you can and don't have any kids yourself .
Unifully said , coach , beautifully , that is this be the verse by Philip Larkin . It's not May composing on the fly in the pub , though we wouldn't put a pastor . And yeah , talk us through it , coach .
Well , yeah , I mean , is this such a I guess that's the word ? There's a level of defeat that's built in to the best parenting journey .
Like you know , like I know people who I would regard as like the most amazing parent , and what they can tell you about is some event they missed , or whether or not they got you know as many Valentine cards out or holiday cards as they meant to . And , of course , as the old trope of you know , blame your parent .
You know that's what therapy is going blaming your parents for everything . But then I think , get out as early as you can and don't have any kids yourself . It's like , okay , so that's your , these are your other choices . Is that what you actually need ? Like boss is shared , like nope , I thought about it and I actually don't intend to have kids .
All right , but know that if you sign up , if you want anything in that last piece , you get it with everything that comes before it and that's it .
Yeah , it's so . This poem is nihilistic and pessimistic in a way that I don't agree with . I didn't not have kids because I was worried about fucking them up , because I wanted them and I was worried about doing a bad job . I was like , oh no , no , no , no , not for me , thank you .
I think that , realistically , having kids means recognizing that you will fuck them up a little bit in some ways Hopefully not irrevocably and hopefully not in ways that they can't handle , but a little bit in some ways . They're going to be a little fucked up , because that's life . Life fucks you up a little bit . Nobody gets out alive .
And then also , being a child , recognizing that your parents did fuck you up a little bit , but also their parents fucked them up and also those parents fuck those parents Like , the consequence of being in the human condition is that your parents are going to fuck you up in some ways .
And becoming like a grown , mature person means recognizing that because they are people also , they have their own flaws that are outside of their relationship with you , and sort of accepting what they did in the ways that they could , even when it wasn't that great .
Yes , well said , well said , beautifully said , boss . Here's the thing . How could you not ? Ultimately , what happens is there's this thing you have a child . You see them come into this world . They are tiny , they know nothing , and you start to teach them through the functional experience of your own lens .
And it's hard to remember that they have their own lens , it's not your lens . And so I try to remember that , even with simple things , it's so funny . I remember I don't know how to . There's all these little things and I try to be . It's about breaking the chain . So you say , okay , I know this is me , but they're going to be a different person .
I have to respect that . And I put a huge emphasis on respect their individuality , respect their take on things . I remember growing up I can't believe it's another mom story , but just a very basic thing my mom hates breezes on her .
She doesn't like like if you open the window in the car , whatever , and I sleep with a fan blowing on my face , I just like it , I just like a little breeze when I'm sleeping . And she would be like no , that's bad for it , it's terrible . You will hate that .
And so I remember when my kids it was like thinking like oh , do you like this , do you not like that ? I would give them the option . When I was little , my mom used to take the bottoms of my feet and smack them Like , just like .
I don't know what it was like not in a bad way , no , no , this is not a punishment , just kind of like a fun little like a love tap kind of thing , right . And I remember doing that to one of the kids so many now I forget which one , that's funny , but they didn't like it .
And one of the other kids had liked it , like one of their older siblings , and I just like it's a love tap , it was like something they're like I don't like the sensation of hitting . I was like , okay , got it , so that's not for you . You know what I mean it's like , but I'm not going to put that on .
It's these tiny little things and you have to remember they have their own lens and so , even as you try not to fuck them up , even you try not to force , you know , your rules upon a person who's building their own rules . You do . And I gave a perfect example Not long ago .
My oldest said to me that he thought that because I joked about everybody , I had built a sort of a concept of otherness , like in our family , like we're always , we're able to like view people , to step back and view them analytically from a comedy perspective . So if I poke fun at something , it's anything . I was not the reason he read .
He started reading this book where one of the first lines is like you are connected to every other living thing and he was like wait , what Like ?
what .
No , I'm not . I stand back in judgment of every other . You know what I mean , because that's what I did , literally trying to joke around . And so , coach , you know I've said this boss , I've definitely said it on the podcast many times , but I , my defining characteristic is father is dad .
It's everything to me and I try so hard to be a great dad and be mindful of these things as I do them . But even like that was through , just me joking around , and you're like , oh my God , how could that have ramifications that I didn't see , you know , but it did .
And you go , okay , and then , and then , as soon as you hear that I think it's really important again not to dismiss it , you go , yeah , all right , I'm really sorry about that . Like , shoot , I miss , I miss that one . You know what I mean . It's like that , it's that thing .
And then there's a context and then there's a conversation and then you can start the growth and the repairing and you can hopefully not mess up with the rest of the kids that way . But I think it's it's a full time job in a weird , in a very different way , because you're always a boss .
I don't know if it translates like this with your , with your nieces and nephews , but like your kids study you in a way that nobody else studies you . You can't get , you cannot . You're undressed in front of your kids , and not physically , you just like emotionally .
They they see you come and they study , like they know , for example , because of my ADHD , whatever threat I make , it has a shelf life of about four minutes . So I'm like , if you do that again and they're like uh-huh , like all right , that's it , no food for a month , you know I'll be like oh , yeah , oh , that's what .
And then seven minutes later , anybody want an Oreo . They're like , yeah , no idea , you know what I mean . So like . But they know this , so it's , it is woven into the fabric of their being and it's all because they , just they have nothing better to do than I mean , they're little . So they , you , are the authority figure .
In the same way someone would study the law . They just study you and they find out where the holes are and the weaknesses and they exploit it like like crazy . And so I don't know , do you have any version of this with your nieces and nephews ?
Not to that same extent , Like there are things where they know what joke I am making and they are able to pick up on that . They joke with each other that way , like that definitely happens .
I think what you were describing I actually understand better from the child's perspective , because a bunch of my therapy was figuring out like individualizing myself from my parents , which I think is a very normal sort of like you grow up and you don't do what they do , you do what you want to do .
But also the flip side With giving yourself permission to do that , as well , right , so I'm going to go to college and then I'm going to leave in this place and do whatever else , but then the flip side of that is individualizing them from me in terms of everything that they did when I was little .
Like it's like when a parent says , well , I got a new job , so we have to move to this other city , and the kid says , why would you do that to me ? You're like , well , I didn't . I didn't do it to you , kid . Like I did it because I needed to do it , because I needed to take this job .
I'm sorry that it's impacting you in this way , but I'm not doing it to you . And so I think being a kid is accepting that your parents had things going on in their lives that were outside of their relationship with you , and how wild that is for a lot of kids to think about .
Like wait , you mean , you didn't know what you were doing the entire time and you also were worried and scared about things . Oh , and like maybe you had friendships that you needed to deal with .
Like there was shit , that what there was shit about your life that wasn't about me is sort of a wild concept for a child , and I somehow didn't manage to actually complete that until my mid 30s , so it's more recent and familiar for me .
But I think that that's sort of like the your kids see you as almost an extension of themselves , instead of you being an extension , them being an extension of you , and so I do get that when the kids like pick up on that stuff .
Sorry , I didn't mean to cut you off , but I was just going to toss in that I love that you raise that piece and in a way , like for me , connection is everything . Big surprise , right , like everything I've ever been good at is about connected with other people and what ? Yeah , yeah .
We forgot that coach . That translates Right right .
But you know .
So , for me , the moments where it was clear to me or the moments where my experience of the interaction with my kids in one way or another all of us together or one on one , whatever where I felt I was getting that treatment , as opposed to I'm a whole person too , like I remember , during the lockdown especially I've said it at other points , but I said it
most then . You know , I've never been the father of a 15 year old before . You know that , yeah , yeah , like , you know what I mean Like , just like , and so I . So , yeah , that's , that's a .
That's a tricky piece , because I think too , as the parent , then I think the sort of like hallmark card expectation is that , like you know , does it , you know , not even it doesn't matter how I feel , but that somehow right , I got all of it , but I'm like I am a human being too , going through a ton of shit .
By the way , you know , I got PTSD and we locked in the house , so that's a lot , yeah , yeah .
Like I hey , I've never been through a pandemic either
¶ Generational Trauma and Parenting Challenges
. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing .
Like I'm gonna try , but I thought this was going to be a couple months .
Yeah , they told us two weeks to flatten the curve . Like I don't know what to fucking tell you . I'm out of my element 100% . Yeah , there's a lot of parents .
They told us two weeks to flatten the curve . I don't know what to tell you I mean , how accurate is that ?
I mean , and I think it is , it's fascinating , I think it is fascinating for kids and I've gone through at different points to kind of process you describe us to really start thinking about like , oh yeah , yeah , you were dealing with blank or blah , blah , blah Times that I know , like for my dad , that money was tight . You know what I mean .
And now , looking back , I'm like right , like , but at the time you're just like I want McDonald's , like I don't .
Yes , yeah , like . Why are you being so mean ?
Yeah , why can't I get a treat ?
What's the matter here ? Oh , you've got bills , right , right .
I mean , in my experience , they don't figure it out until they figure it out . You can't force it . You can't force it to relate until they go and they . My daughter went off to college and we've been trying to coach her on money forever . She's oh , she's infuriating how much she just has blown through our money . She's like I want Starbucks .
Like , oh my God , are you you understand how much that got ? Like no concept . So she got all this money for college from her graduation party . You know people sent her checks and graduation , all this stuff , right . And then she went out her or their first dinner with a friend and had to split . She basically , oh , here's the other thing she does .
She's like a grazer . So you'll say like , oh , what do you want for you ? Go out to dinner ? Right , we don't go out to dinner a lot because we can't afford it . To be totally honest , we're just playing again afford it to take six people out to a fancy dinner Once upon a time . That's a hundred bucks . Now it's two 60 , 300 .
You know like it's just crazy money . Like where you go ? Okay , a burger is 2650 , whatever , right , you go , oh God . And so if you buy her that $20 burger whatever insane she'll take one bite of it and put it down and Julianne and I will stare at her like there's more there for you , whatever .
So she goes out , she gets it same thing , gets a burger , takes one bite , she's got to split it and she has her money to pay for it for the first time and she's like , oh my God , she's like I burned a big hole in my money on that one dinner .
I could feel the hole and Julianne and I just start roaring , laughing , you know , on speakerphone , and we're like , okay .
There it is , yes , there it is that's .
The light goes on . But you cannot force the light to go on In this scene . When May is reciting this poem , ted is with her and then when she says , half the time her soppy stir and half her other's throats , he then turns and looks at his mom laughing with beard , which I was like oh , that's an interesting cut to watch , that I love the term .
I love the term and we're only just beginning to understand this about those sort of generational pain and generational sort of trauma that's passed on man hands on misery to man . It deepens like a coastal shelf . That's much bigger , a much larger concept by far than limited to parenting .
That is , generationally you pass on trauma and you think of people who have been enslaved , or you think of genocide , or you think of crimes against humanity and how that has passed on in the psyche and in the DNA . So it's really really fascinating . Bell bottoms Also there is that . I'm sorry , coach , I'm very correct .
I was like look at it I thought of the structure of the joke before I could figure out what to say , so it took me a second . No , I appreciate that . That's good . I'm glad you equate the Armenian genocide with Paris Pants . Exactly there you go On the line . Get out as early as you can , Don't have any kids yourself .
That is a particularly deeply cutting line for Ted as we will come . I'm going to just put a pin in that . We'll talk about how that might have hit Ted as we go on . Now I want to zip through this really , really quickly , because I don't think it's very important . It's not super important , but hey , Ted , your mom's the box . We just came from Facebook .
You know this is a PB and J , I didn't know . You were almost the drummer in Coldplay to which Ted says what boss .
Oh yeah , it's true , it's true .
Yeah , he's giving up . Yeah , yeah , it was almost the drummer in Coldplay . It's incredible , no way . And we ended back at the pad . And this is you know what . This is important . Maybe we leave it there . Yeah , let's start with that next time , because I was going to try to zip through it , but I don't think that we should .
I think we should take our time with this one . Yeah , I think it's a good place to start and I think it will set us up for the next episode Nicely Coach . Any final thoughts about the scene before we move on , guys ?
Well , I thought the spinning house you know they went to that .
They've kind of been teeing up that that pinball machine was there and I thought that the spinning house although , yes , it's absolutely an iconic piece from the movie , you know , given what Ted left behind in Kansas and how that has changed since then , that spinning house definitely earned its screen time . I thought that was good , yeah .
No question , no question , I was also . You know , ted takes a sip of his beer and toasts everybody and it's funny because there isn't a single element of his existence in Richmond that she hasn't immediately co-opted . You know , like even PB and J , it's his boss immediately , it's his co-workers , the coaches , the players .
Wherever she goes right , the people huddle around her , even as much as like PB and J .
But you know what's interesting , what you said earlier about I did this work , he did he . Actually he's the one who weathered them . Oh , you twat right Like he did all of that , and you're right . And she kind of like gets to come in and be the charmer after the tough part is done . It's an interesting .
I would not have thought of that take , but obviously you have reason to see that piece .
Thought may have crossed my mind once or twice Right .
Right Just a couple of times .
Yeah , just ooh , coach , yes , boss , what are you ?
going to say these are not significant thoughts about the scene itself , but I need to reiterate that the poem was also featured in Nick Hornby's book this Way Down , which I think I mentioned during the Raptor response . But it's really phenomenal and everyone should read it , and also I really enjoy that .
One of my favorite books is this Way Down and one of my favorite TV shows is called this Way Up , and both of them are about attempted suicides .
And I can't wait to unpack that with you .
Yes , seriously , it says the person with two dead dads .
Yeah , all those things are true , everything mentioned so far is true .
Yeah , yeah , okay . It's just too much for me . I'm going to go get a can of collada . I can't take wherever we are right now . I apologize to all the buttercups out there . I'm with you If you're huffing and puffing listen to this ending . I am emotionally with you , so some of us got a podcast to host . We're not too far off . That coach .
Well said , well said . Coach , where do people find you if they want to find you ?
Come through . We align . That's our online community for our coaching practice . We alignalignpcom . We're actually doing some new and exciting things . We're going to have some online courses . We're really going to be moving stuff forward over the next several months . Come through Love it .
What about you , Jack ?
Still on Twitter , also on Blue Sky now , and tweeting a little bit more there or posting I don't know what it is , it's really , it's really .
I'm skying , I don't yeah .
I think when I did my first one , I was like you only have one shot at your first Blue Sky . I don't know what to call it Blue . Yeah , I mean you don't want me saying that I'm bluing all over the place . That's not going to be good for anybody on this podcast .
It does , it does seem on brand for you .
Yes , it does . I am also there Both places . It is Dumbly underscore chambers , my empty promises so far still not fulfilled . But writing at theantagonist , which is antagonistblogcom .
Wonderful . Thank you so much . Thanks to both of you for for this is a fun episode , as painful as it was . Thanks to everyone listening . Thanks for being part of the best listening community on the planet . We adore you guys . We love our butter cups and we were so . We're so honored to have you with us .
Please support your local libraries , the written word , the actors and writers who are on strike . Still on st man , I want to ring some billionaire necks .
I mean people . That's not the tenor of this show . People are really no , but seriously , people are suffering . We've crossed out of like inconvenience into like . I have friends who are .
They're in a bad way .
Yes , really , really hurting . They're in a bad way and you know , when you read some of these numbers and like literally what percentage of what these studios have , we're even talking about when they grasp the percent .
It's not even a percent .
It's not like we're like .
No , it's not a percent . When you ask it , when you say what are they asking for ? When they make the chart of it , excel can't make a pie piece smaller . Oh my God .
That's a fact .
It looks like a line because the piece is so small . That's what they're asking for . How dare they ? How dare they , Because people need to make 500 million a year . That's of course they do .
What are they supposed to do ? Live like savages , yeah .
Listen , I'm a happy person and you fuckers are turning me into something really grouchy .
The rabble rosters is what we are .
You are . I don't like this . I'm going to bring some . Where's the queen of buttercups ? We got to get her back on here .
I'm not so sure she's going to be helping in the way you think , but I'd love to have her back .
Yes , you think she's with you guys .
I think she'll be with us on this part .
She's a ray of sunshine .
That is true , yes .
All right , okay , that's it . That's it for us . We will see you next time with part four . Ted Lasso , season three , episode 11 mom city , still creeping ever so slowly to the whatever arsenal of discontent that boss has been hoarding . Oh boy , can't wait to get there . Thanks for listening , and until next time we are Richmond .
Till we die Richmond till we die , it might be four minutes .
Might be soon , might be soon , can not take this .
Thanks everybody , we'll see you next time .