Ted Lasso | S3 Ep10 Part5 "International Break"

So I'm your host , coach Castleton . Typically with us is Coach Bishop . He is a wonderful human being , but he found himself with some technical difficulties , and so it is . I have the honor of sharing the microphone this evening or today with our Boss , emily Chambers .

If you're not making it a Chicago hot dog Like there are requirements here you don't have to eat it , you don't have to like it . You'll be dumb for that . But that's fine . But you can't just make up what the thing is if it's already a thing .

So when we left off last time , boss , I think you guys had just I was busy saving the world from Hornets and you were finishing up with Coach about the Barbara and Keely scene , the snow globes , which are lovely , sort of unexpected , lovely relationship between the two of them which you probably , probably would not have seen coming from the get go .

Barbara says she wants the receipt , the sooner the better . And now we move to in an episode where there are so many scenes , we're going to zip past some of the well in an effort to sort of really focus on the important things , like a scene where it's Nathan's mom says hey , your father and I had to do the farmers market for a few hours .

We love you , sweetheart . Okay , that's , we can zip past this . That's just establishing the natives home alone . Now we have Rebecca entering the Akufo League meeting . May I take your code ? Yes , absolutely . We have seen the preparation by Rebecca which we talked about last episode . We talked about the rapid reaction . It was very powerful for me to watch .

It was an interesting choice , a little bit of a departure tonally , but very , very powerful to see the younger Becca in the mirror .

And I think , boss , you've pointed out the past , you know , but I wish it came at a point where there was something actually mattered , rather than , oh , I'm just going to go into a meeting or you know something about a possible league . Like you know , what is the ?

I wish it had , I wish it was , before you know , tied it's connected to something of actual gravitas .

In the same way that we have had too much of a deal made about Ted's anxiety attacks for him to do one breathing exercise and all of a sudden they're gone , like we have a lot of weight on one side and it doesn't feel balanced on both .

So I think it's I can speak for people with anxiety to say all it takes is one breathing exercise and then you're done , and you're done with anxiety .

We do see an ongoing oh my God , I can hear the cicadas .

I'm like I don't , maybe Anthony had , I don't know what happened , I don't know if it's the actor or if it's the character , but I'm like he just looks something here , just like very frail and like in this in this moment . But whatever , I think I'm alone in that . I think most people just gloss right past it , they zip it .

And she said thank you for accepting my invitation . How can I resist the chance of having a bunch of old men speak directly to my chest ? Great line , perfectly delivered by the great Hanne Moneham . A character , a woman we've never seen before runs in . Mr Mannion , you left your phone in the car , oh , and your fecalist emailed your results .

Two big thumbs up , as expected . Rupert is obviously slightly embarrassed . He says wonderful , Ms Bred , rebecca Welton , rebecca , this is my assistant , ms Bred , nice to meet you .

So I'm like , oh yeah , first of all , yes , you have to know the right tenor of the , or the right , I don't know . That's not the tenor , it's the . Ms Bred , first of all , she should be talking in front of a fictitious in front of any . That's just like incompetent .

I understood that it was uncomfortable . I didn't pick up on the class as much as the . She's not really that great at her job .

With all of the concern around billionaires , rebecca just it's ice castle . She skates right past that top . It's amazing . It's amazing what being a stunning knockout . Six foot tall , with all the talent in the world and a voice that can sing like a goddess , it's amazing what that can do , boss .

I didn't take it as much of a brush off as much as she was like do you have something else ? We are waiting for you to tell us if there is more information , and you seem to be waiting for us .

Okay , but that's , listen , it's fine , you read it that way .

She doesn't like them . This is just like a .

So I don't want people to feel that way because we're really not saying this . There actually might be a legal issue with Boss , but she has shared with me what she has been putting up with and the . I get the updates on a minute to minute basis and she's not exaggerating that . The patriarchy has been up in her room . Oh my God , it's been .

There was a wave of marriages and others , unfortunately , a wave of separations and divorces , and the men have not been ideal in a lot of the situations , and one of the things that has become very clear to me is that patriarchy is not in place in order to tell people how to behave based on gender .

It is to say that men do good things and women do bad things , and whatever women do is bad and whatever men do is good .

So , in this situation , hearing what happened to the corporate Pixie Dream Girl , a play on the manic , pixie Dream Girl , who is supposed to float into your life and solve all of the man's problems , because all he needed was somebody to tell him to dance in a field and , all of a sudden , everything's great for him , right ?

Yes , and what he says to that is that she's skewed dramatic and it's like bitch . Who do you think made her dramatic ? What do you think made her maybe lose her cool ? Was it possibly that her married boss was carrying out a fair with her and then didn't do a good job with that ?

Is there any chance that she was being dramatic because she was reacting to that at all ? Rupert , do you think maybe that was the thing ? No , it was just that she came up on her own . that she should be ridiculous and hysterical , I'm sure yeah .

So he said Rebecca knows that this was the woman he was having , and if she saw it she saw him fooling around , she witnessed it and then she told him like , knock it off , like your wife and child deserve better . These are really great , really empowering moments of agency for Rebecca .

Not only is she doing the right thing , but she's doing it on behalf of someone who hurt her ostensibly in the Bex , even though we've established she likes Bex . Bex was young Rebecca when we opened the show and she was a person who was complicit in the whole affair .

So when she says what happened to the corporate pixie dream girl , he says oh , skewed dramatic , skewed dramatic . And he's a shallowie . And she's like yes , it's like because he's a white man and because he's wealthy and because we have that thing in the society where it's like oh well , hey , this is what you

do . We talked about this and how . I don't understand it and I would . I think I'm probably not your typical . You know , middle-aged white man where I'm like I don't . I don't think the goal is hookers in the back room . Like I think a lot of people would be like dude , what are you talking about ? Like that would be awesome . I just don't .

For some reason it just doesn't . I don't get it . But what burns me up is that she has to then because she's in her business mode . She can't just be like are you fucking kidding me ? Like there's no , you know what I mean . She puts her arm around him and it's like oh well , we move on .

You know it's like this is all , rupert and yeah .

If she does say something , all of a sudden she's losing her mind and she hasn't gotten over Rupert and she's too into her own feelings on him . There is no move here where she isn't doing something that sort of grows because he was an asshole .

You know what I mean , where I'm like , if she makes a big deal right now , now , it's now . It like could be construed that maybe she has a skin in the game or whatever , and she's just like , okay , like shall we ? Yes , like let's get to the , let's get out of this talk and let's get to the stupid yeah , billionaire ripping off for the ever .

Now there's a couple of ways to view this . I do not buy it at all . I don't buy any of this . I love Ted Lasso . I let you know I love it . I love it , I eat it , I drink it , I sleep it . I just don't buy this particular thing .

I don't buy the setup of these billionaire sort of elderly white men being summoned to a Cufo who's an out of towner , you know , to try to like sort of put them together . I don't buy the fact that an ex-wife talks about taking the best thing you ever loved and the men love that and they think it's charming , like cause .

I think they all have that fear , you know , which is where prenups come in and things like that . I just I didn't buy whatever . But let's say fine , they say wonderful , and this is the , the Serythian oil dude , we think , robert , when Rupert told me you were joining us today , I was truly excited Then when you walked in the outfit .

I remember why I almost just don't want to even dignify it by discussing it , because it's so repellent .

We don't want to get into it , but it was acknowledging that they're sort of all morally bankrupt and making a joke about it Like she was his wife and she took the only thing he's ever loved and he's married to somebody else right now and so , like it , sort of laughing at their own debasement , I think was the only way that they made it through that .

But coming off of the entree of men looking directly at my chest , speaking directly to my chest , then the chaser of oh yeah , where's your corporate ? You know , oh , skewed , dramatic , like I got rid of that , that crazy , you know , assistant , and you're , and you just go , okay .

Now we come in and the first thing is like Robert being gross , and you're like , oh , it's just icky , the whole thing is . Anyway . A kufa comes in , greetings to you all , thank you for coming . He says Francis , and Francis goes around and shakes everybody's hand . I know it's a gag , but I also don't buy it . I triply don't buy it .

Like they're going to be , like there's one thing where Francis does a funny , a funny . What they're trying to do is they're trying to establish oh , these guys are all a bunch of duds . And I will speak from experience , because I know a bunch of these guys and by and large , they are duds . They're not stupid , but they are boring .

They're so boring and they have just been doing the things the same way for a long time . I remember Edgar Bronfman Jr , who was the chairman of Seagram once upon a time . I don't know if he may still be , I don't really know , but when I was younger I remember hearing him say to make . He said to take $100 and turn it into $110 . That is hard work .

You should take $100 million and turn it into $110 million is a inevitability . Yeah , so they have been doing this . Just you just stay the course , that's it . And so that's what they've been doing . And they do the same things over and over . And so in comes Mr Kufo . Rebecca , how wonderful to see you again . I'm very glad you're here .

It's nice to have the only minority in the room . Eh , gentlemen and lady , I'm sure you're very anxious to get started , but , as my father would say , I'm a talk business on an empty stomach .

So please take your seats and let us enjoy some delicious Ghanaian bites , as well as some Chicago style hot dogs , as enjoyed by the likes of Scotty Pippen , obama and Ferris Beard . Again , if you're going to- . No , we don't need to say anything about it , because it was so accurate and so well done that we can just move right on . Right , boss , of course .

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Maybe this isn't the writers . We'll say that this isn't on the production , that this is a choice a Kufo made to give them non-Chicago hot dogs because he's so inauthentic . That's the only way that this makes sense .

What if the set dresser okay , you have a production designer and , let's say , someone in the production design team or the set dressing team is a Green Bay Packers fan and said you know what , yeah , I'm going to drive every asshole from Chicago crazy and when no one's looking , I'm going to switch the rules .

So no , that doesn't work . I'm sorry .

And now we see , we get this scene here where I mean walk us through what you see here .

Finds a hat with , like some magic stuff and then eventually he ends up up in the attic looking through some things . I believe that that is when he finds the violin that he plays later , if I'm remembering correctly .

All of this as part of the recovery from the traumatic ordeal of deciding that he was going to quit his job because his boss is a scumbag and he doesn't want to work for him .

And the day that Keely's sex tape was released and she was violated and exposed and assaulted in that way , she was up and at work and then going out minigolfing . I'm not saying that we should say how people respond to a traumatic event is an indication of how tough they are , or whatever else .

But the show expected that this is a reasonable reaction to quitting your job and not a reasonable reaction to being internationally violated .

I want her to be able to experience that and work through it in whatever capacity she wants to . If she wants solitude , she should be able to have that . If she wants to dress it head on and say I'm not going to let the bastards get me down , let's say Bastaar Day's Carburendum , let's say she should be able to do that .

But there is an element of it where the women constantly have to have to . They have to power through it all begins back to season one , rebecca , yeah , yeah , I mean Rebecca is getting destroyed everywhere she goes . She goes into a press conference and they ask her about young Rebecca . And remember she did nothing wrong . She didn't do anything wrong .

Her husband cheated on her . It's nauseating . So , yes , it's not going to be a shock to anyone that there are double standards at play here .

The folks that follow this show who love Nate , really connected with the beats of his recovery and I respect that , because everyone does it differently and you might see , if you're someone who deals with depression , you might see part of your journey here . I don't want to demean it or belittle it . I don't want to say that one way is better than the other .

I know I have friends that have depression , there are family members of mine that have depression , and so everyone has a different . It's like every course is charted differently and your road back . It's hard to pinpoint how and why .

But if this is Nate's road back , if he needs to have some experiential thing , or if he needs to have some return to the nest , so to speak , before he can remember who he is theoretically or reconnect to his joy , then so be it .

I am saying that this is a lacking response if we are supposed to believe this is how he becomes a better person , because we've always known that he has anxiety , that he is timid , that he is worried about failing at a job and having to move back to his parents' house and that he has had some depression .

Like I'm not belittling this as response to a mental health issue that he's having , I'm saying that being depressed is not an excuse for being abusive to will and betraying Ted . Like the two biggest issues for me were that he treated those two people so horribly and that is outside of his depression or his anxiety or anything else .

Like having people tell him you're doing it badly , do it better . Don't do this didn't help him he just right .

They excuse Nikolai , they don't say anything , kufo , but Nikolai just goes . Oh yeah , sorry , the whole rush of thing just to make sure .

What you're doing is you're pushing and you have to pull . The whole thing was great . Sam Richardson's fantastic . He really he can really milk . He can milk a joke in the exact right way , the same he did with the scatological stuff , season two . He just really , he's a really talented guy . I don't love Edward a kufo . I don't love the character .

I don't love the kufo league . I don't love any of this here at this point in Ted Lasso's life cycle , but I , but I will not look past the point that this is an incredibly talented actor . Yeah , so okay , goodbye , gentlemen , I invite you here by the kufo league . Now we he gets , now we get the speech .

The spiel is it's , it's a team league that'll be , for you know , feature all the best team . Exactly what Hagen said . We already heard what this is . We have . It's an undried dream , which okay . It's a choice some people hate it but remember one time we only rode horses and hated automobiles .

A totally tangential reference the hot dogs we just ate are , what would he say , 35% horse meat , or something like that , 85% horse meat something like that .

Yeah , you know you're only gonna be around a few more years . Just keep stacking those greenbacks . There's no reason for you to stop . They all murder . Oh yeah , that's good . That's good . Even Rebecca . Even Rebecca , like Fane's a nod . Yes , the fans will protest the wine .

They'll make up mean-spirited songs no , sorry , mean-spirited , but admittedly clever parody songs using our surnames and sing them outside the buildings we own , which I actually really like . That line just was we embrace the smartphone , the automobile and the squatty potty .

But is less good for us to poop in , even though it means we have specific rooms for it with water bowls where we just poop in there and then it goes away , not anymore . Now we have to have our feet propped up so you poop better yeah , do you .

Yeah , and I will say that I did not know what the squatty potty was . That's why I asked you , because I looked it up , I had never heard of . I was like this squatty-punty . I'm like oh , that sounds funny . I don't know what it is . It's like , you know , sort of a curve .

Well , I should also say on some of the podcasts I listen to , they talk a lot about being middle-aged men , at middle-aged fathers specifically , and so now they need things like the squatty potty , but you wouldn't know anything about being a little aged app , so that's fine .

And don't forget , at one point they were all just a bunch of little boys yes and very important , very important , because this is also when we cut back to . I think this is when it starts intersecting a lot more .

Nate playing his violin and that is again just to make sure everybody knows Nick Muhammad actually playing the violin himself , because he's apparently an accomplished violin player yeah , well , what a showoff , show off . I mean come on you know what ?

I'm hate being around interesting people because this is Steve Martin in LA story , because then I start to show off which is the idiots version of being impressive or being interesting . So , nick Muhammad , yes , beautiful boss . I'm gonna just say it was beautifully shot , it was beautifully done , it was beautifully . You have the music .

Michael came in with a music over the top absolutely felt like it was from a totally different . Yes , like somebody , somewhere or something like that , like something , just a different show . I'm like that . What ? The framing , the lighting , the camera , yes , like I like there was a , there was a like a steady cam move around him as he's playing .

It's , yes , more so . Again , there is something about Rebecca's speech that I believe we have discussed , where she yells at the men , says you know , like you're being idiots . This is a fucking joke .

Why do we need to make a super league and talking about , you know , the love of the game and the sport that they all should have had at one point and this is me , because I am cynical deep down . I understand that a lot of it , like I understand the draw of sports and like the love of it and all those other things .

Sometimes , when these speeches get too big or when people are talking too much about how deep and important sports is , it starts to come off for me a tiny bit sanctimonious , and I I know that other people will not have that same reaction .

I should mention , because I don't have a soul I had the same reaction to James Earl Jones in Field of Dreams talking about how it's baseball and that they'll come baseball no , it doesn't . It doesn't moonlight . I know that there are a lot of men out there that if you put that on for a second , that's a religion ?

It is this glorification of sports that is sometimes done in TV and movies and other places where I'm like okay , but it's , it is still a game like . I love it , it's important . The 2005 white sock season was magical for me . It is still grown men throwing a ball around at each other , like we need to keep it in perspective .

The only instruction they get , yeah , yeah , the only , the only , the only instruction to get with that even sort of like glazes .

The edge of these topics is in a sporting environment , yeah , and , and so this becomes the language , which is why sometimes I think it is made more profound than it would be to the average bear , because this , this is sort of how young boys in this country are educated , and it's not limited to the United States elsewhere in the world .

You know , I know , I know the beautiful game is a religion . Try talking shit about soccer in Brazil absolutely not , or anywhere in Europe for that matter , yeah so , or baseball in Japan or , you know , in the Dominican Republic . So , yes , it becomes a language that your average man speaks and then naturally , you can , you can .

amazing . I wish we would teach boys that in a bunch of other ways and like taking responsibility and ownership for things , all that stuff .

I think that there is a definite gap between how society itself talks about those things when it's young men and young boys doing sports and how important and critical and magical that is , and then when women do things where they learn about this , it's sort of treated as a joke and so like .

When women are taught about being ethical number one , it's always about our sexuality . Absolutely always the first thing that we learn is don't be a slut , but don't be a prude .

Figure that out and get back to me and also the ways and like it , their girl groups and their chick flicks and they are soap operas and all this shit gets demeaned because it's how we teach women and it all gets glorified because this is how we teach men and it's the same like . It should just be on the same level .

If this is how we're teaching kids , that's fine , but then acknowledge this is how we're teaching people to be better human beings and don't make one bigger than the other .

You know , the women's World Cup is in full swing now and now it's over . As we record this , spain has triumphed , which is wonderful . Such a great team , terrible coach , but a great , great bunch of athletes . And anyway , there was this guy sitting across from me at the . We're had a 14 hour delay , it was hell . But this guy is sitting .

He's got a USA soccer shield and if you know USA soccer , you go . I know what that shield that ? I think that's USA soccer . So I'm like what if this guy's a scout or something ? He looked , he looked the part , so I said , hey , is that a USA soccer shield ? And he says yeah , yeah . I said are you , are you filling in or just a fan ?

And he's now just a fan and I said men's game , women's game or any kind of like chuckle , these are no men's game . And I was like oh , okay yeah , you're not right , exactly you know me , so I didn't say whatever . And he goes . Yeah , you know he's like .

I'm not saying the women are bad , I just , you know , that whole pay thing got to me and I was like oh , the other whole equal pay , oh that we have to sit , we have to sit . I'm like I confront the guy like whatever he's like , I'm already completely dismissed . You know , like you we are not a , I don't want ever .

No , I'm sorry , I said hello , but yeah , the whole equal pay thing really kind of rubbed him the wrong . Oh sure , sure sure , sure , you know , as it would well , you know you suck out in the game .

You know , this thing a stupid local thing that I had agreed to , whatever and I was there and I heard a couple guys talking about how I swear this is a real thing and I apologize , we're just gonna piss people off , but they're talking about women's soccer .

I was not part of the conversation and they said it's amazing how many of these women are just like , just plain unfuckable . Oh , jesus Christ . And I went , oh , my god , and I said I like put my head down and I was like I'm , I'm , and they're like oh , what , like what ? What do we say ? They were stuck , that I had like a wavy , that a wave came .

These are not my friends , these are people I know , you know generally , but like that I look like oh , he's good .

Yeah , because that's their professional soccer because that's their actual they have devoted their entire life to . Yeah , not , not whether or not like the first thing that the the organizing criteria was whether or not this asshole with a fucking potbelly like you're a fucking catch . Yeah , you're disgusting like nothing . Listen , I don't know .

And again , I'm not fat you're disgusting everything about you . Just even like your take on , it's disgusting and I'm like it makes me , oh yeah , and of course that was a real hit at the party after that oh , I'm sure , I'm sure everybody .

gonna god .

I'm not trying to , you know , stereotype or do anything like that , but legitimately a lot of them are married to other soccer players , some on other teams . I'm sure that that has to be fun at times , and by fun I mean fucking horrible .

But yeah , no , it's wild to me that there are so many men that don't know a large percentage of the female population don't even give a fuck . If you want to fuck us , I do not care . Like you think that that's an you do , boss , you depends on who we're talking to you person yeah .

I'll admit I don't know man like if lift Gallagher is listening right now . I did not mean that about you , sir , obviously , but yes , of course . Yeah , that's . I actually got into a little thing on Twitter earlier this week which is stupid , or maybe it was last week where some guy was like something about well , well , how hot do you think you are ?

And I'm like well , the fucking joke is on you , because I've been calling myself a Chicago 8 publicly for years at this point and he was like , oh , no , you're not .

And I'm like , oh , am I supposed to give a fuck that you think that like , I don't know you , I don't think you're attractive , I don't fucking care , I don't like it , just inherently as an insult . Men believe it's inherently an insult to tell a woman I don't want to fuck you .

And I'm like great , that's one less thing than I need to worry about that fucking fantastic .

with regard to the black yes with the black community and I was like wait a second , but it's , but it's always for me . I'm a white man . I wasn't saying this for real , but you know what I mean . I was like yeah , yeah , that's the thing . You just ?

What they care about is if they want to fuck you , and if they don't , they believe that that makes you worthless and valueless . And that has nothing to do with my actual words or value . That means that you're a fucking prick and you don't like half of the world because you think that there's not nothing good to us that's right , preach boss preach .

Oh my god , just fucking the worst human being .

You know , talk to me for another hour after he well , you know , whatever and whatever , if it's you boss , you are gonna like somehow shut it down and establish a really good boundary . I always try to , you know he's . He recognized something in my face and was like , oh , do you like the whatever I said ? You know , love them . And it's unbelievable .

And I started , you know , saying a few things just to , and Juliana was like , just you know . But but by the time I I did enough work with that idiot that you know , there was a tiny kernel of something that was planted . Whether it grows or not , who knows .

But in general , and when you're like me and you hope that there are more men out there , who , who , look at again . This is why we , many of us I was speaking for me , for coach , we got the king of the mother fucking buttercups . Who , who ?

I'll tell you right now he's one of us and we gravitate to Ted last one , because we're trying to coach like him , we're trying to be like , we're trying to say you know , you know we're not gonna be yokely-dokely , but we want to . We want to rise , to be a better version of a modern male avatar , and this is what drew us in the beginning .

But then you go to your average thing that you didn't want to go to in the first place , and you , you know , social commitment , you and then , and this is what happens , and and you just and again I don't want to make a big deal of it and I never know where the line is because I'm like I don't , like now I have to be an outside .

You know they have to be like this , whatever the other goal .

So I don't mean that as like a straight down the line political issue , but yet it's fucking ridiculous right , the Venn diagram definitely yeah , whatever it lines up in that way , but but still this is why I'm just betting on Genzi , genzi and younger . I'm like you guys , like I really hope you got it figured out .

I'm too fucking old and tired to do it in this stage of my life . I'll yell but I can't teach . So , like , hopefully some of those kids pick some shit up and run with it .

Like you have the thing where you can like draw an instant line and be like are you fucking kidding ? Like your posture , adversarial . You know what I mean , like I try to be . I try to be careful of that because I'm like built like a , like a fire hydrant , and I've seen how it goes if I start to look adversarial .

Right , you know what I mean and so you know I mean it's just a little bit of a and I don't like being that way anyway . And then because then I get that thing where it's like now there's an uh , oh , you fought this guy , or you got new . Oh , this guy got in your fit . You know like I sucked to .

When they get like guys , I listen , I love men , I'm not . I am not . I know that . I'm very pro , pro women , you know , because I think a women are tremendous . There I think there are probably as many asshole women as there absolutely that's not the issue .

The issue is , you know , I don't and I'm not attacking either one , I'm just saying when you get a good dude , it is so much fun . I know some of the best dudes on the whole planet and they are amazing and we never have to deal with this bullshit . Likewise for women . You , you know it's , it's , it's the same kind of thing .

I just , I just , you know I hesitate to engage when I think you know they say don't , don't mix it up , because people you know what do they say don't try to get in a battle of wits with an unarmed person or something you know . Like , yeah , they'll , they'll bring you down to their level and be with experience .

I'm mixing two things , no , but , but it's that type of thing , right ? So I know this isn't gonna , I'm not gonna win , I don't , you know , I mean I have too many things on my plate too .

I don't hang out with enough people outside of my like very small bubble of friends , all of whom I know are not going to be assholes like this , where I haven't been to a party with anybody I didn't know very well in years at this point , so I don't have to worry about it that oh yeah , wow , wow , yeah , that is very insular oh , yeah , amazing .

Yeah , no , that's on purpose again .

You have a sad dad's the national tote bag that I bought at the concert , and so I struck up a conversation with their table . But other than that , no , like if I'm just out eating dinner I've got resting bitch face . People do not come up to me unless they have to you do .

Sometimes might be Comedy Central or might be YouTube but yeah , yeah , last fuckable day has to be on YouTube . Yeah , boss , maybe you can add that to your feed and we can . We can zip it out to people

. A kufo finishes his speech , of course , robert's the first one that's in . Rebecca gives a very impassioned speech . That boss doesn't buy , but you know it means a lot to people who love it . And football isn't just a game , it's one of those amazing things in life . They can make you feel shit one moment . Yeah , shit one moment . Why am I missing ? Why ?

Oh , and then it's like Christmas morning . I see , I'm looking at as I'm , as I'm trying to say the lines properly , there is overlapping , overlapping , a sort of commentator conversation with AFC . This is like sort of a , because we're doing a lot of crosscut in the scene . So I have see Richmond Jamie Tartt winning his first cap for England .

You know we have all this stuff . This is a , this is an important moment England dominating , no surprise , and we see this is why Rebecca saying it over the top , as we watch the guys in the AFC Richmond room watching Jamie Tartt , we do have a substitution AFC Jamie , richmond Jamie Tartt when he's first cap for England . I don't know if you win a cap ?

God , I guess it . I've never heard that . You know what a cap is . That's like a when you go into a game , and I looked it up maybe when I first heard the term cap 10 years ago . So I looked it up and now I for I apologize because I I should know exactly what it's for , but it but it means like you played in the actual game .

So if you get an international cap , it's like you played for your team but you actually entered the game . You don't get a cap if you were on the bench , so that's why , you get players like you know , alex Morgan and you know , getting our 200th cap , it's like , it's like a huge accomplishment . So Jamie gets his first cap .

I've never heard it winning a cap . That's really interesting . But yeah , I've already getting a cap . But yeah , jamie comes in and well , what number is he wearing here , boss ?

And now the honors Sam and coach mentioned very stutely . Wearing somebody else's number is a huge deal . As a man , we talk about the world of men . It's no different for women . Frankly , it's not like we do . Female athletes do it all the time .

One of my favorite things is people exchanging jerseys after the game and they give each other a jersey and then it's a real sign of respect and honor . Men and women do it , so , yeah , this is a really powerful moment .

That felt like they were trying to add some emotion and sentimentality to this . It felt like Nate and Rebecca's speech , and then Sam and Jamie and I needed it to be one of those and not all three of them at the same time .

These are two sort of intended to be powerful moments . Jamie's moment was very powerful . For me , I will say as a fan of the show , as someone who has tracked their arc the whole way , that was a big moment and I had an emotional reaction to it . Rebecca's speech , I thought , was excellent .

Hannah and Waddingham this is great and I think , unfortunately , because we've gotten a few public service announcements this season , it had that sort of musk to it . Yes , yeah , right , but it's good that it did because listen , okay , could they ? Should they have even addressed this ? Should this even be in the show ? Okay , no , probably not .

I would have voted if I could sneak back into the writer's room and raise my hand and be like , yeah , maybe skip this one . What are we really ? I would probably skip several subplots that they decided to go with , but they had this moment in the sun . They chose to shoot their shot . Okay , fine , no problem If you're going to shoot it .

This is a pretty damn good speech for Rebecca and pretty powerful . Yes , and she's not wrong , yeah .

And then you have Nate playing the violin , which I'm like I still don't know . Okay , yeah , you know what I mean . One of these things is not like the other and it's okay and it's okay . The people who loved Nate's moment . They might have felt like boy . This is , I think .

If you love Nate and you love his arc and you connect to it , especially as he rises like a phoenix from his depression , the empowering sort of transporting power of music might be something people relate to , like it . Really . Look at you , boss , you'll travel to Sheboygan to see the man .

What I should say is that actually , earlier this week I went to see a different band on Wednesday I'm not going to say who , because they weren't great and I left early and I was not thrilled .

But like , let's say that if I saw James Devour's the Planet on Wednesday , but then Seth Meyers and John Oliver were doing a standup set together on Thursday night , but in New York City , and then I found out that the national was playing Madison Square Garden on Friday night and I was like I could do a quick trip out there .

And then I met with the national and I was like I'm going to watch Seth and John . And then the national ended up not doing that because it seemed like crazy talk and too many concerts all in one night . But then I did watch the Instagram feed from Madison Square Garden and cry Like , absolutely , they posted Van der Lea , cry , baby .

I was like , yes , I will do that . That sounds great . Let's watch this and cry . I'm going to cry with the music part than anything else .

We didn't think you would make it , you beautiful , beautiful man . Thank you , I had my own doubts .

She'll just use her bamboo basket , or like waste basket , and turn it on its side , dumping all the contents ostensibly onto her floor , like the you know .

She's really appealing to , to their sense of impropriety here , and she talks about Rupert and how he , you know , used to love football . So it is a . It is a moment . We get a lot of cameras pushing in .

Boss will argue that it's a little much from her perspective , although it's well done . But again , you can't , you can't take anything away from Hannah Waddingham . Anthony had nothing . Sam Richardson all everyone does a great job . Should it be an episode 10, ? Whatever we can , we can agree to disagree , but there is this , there is this beat here and they .

It is a . It is a way to try . If you're someone who loves , let's say , the Premier League , like Premier League football , and you hear that they're trying to make one of these super leagues , which they always seems like they always are , I can understand why the writers of this show , or the showrunners , said like , let's , just like .

Let's just like educate the public a little . You know we have this one platform . Let's just like , make sure people know so that in general , it is seen for the bold face , money grab , that is . And and you know , let's , let's , let's use our platform properly . Does it line up with the narrative intent of the rest of the show .

You know that that's all something that's up for discussion .

And there is this unifying thing they really did believe in . I didn't think she was trying to appeal to a sense of actual morality in the room , as in like , they want to do the right thing . I thought . Well , I thought two things , one of them , though I thought she did really effectively , which was to leverage Keely's reminder for good . I don't think .

I think . I think they didn't do it because their mommy told them not to . They'll never know . That's why they didn't do it . They'll think it was some whatever and oh yeah , well then , rupert .

But at the end of the day , she could have said and get that goddamn slinky off the floor , and they all would have went scrambling looking for a slinky , and for me that was what was really cool about that scene was like . she was like oh , I owned you because if you notice what's the cool whose guys name I always do this , Francis .

Francis is the only one who doesn't become a kid . I thought that was really important . It's these other guys , they're all a couple didn't either . No , no , no , he did . Well , he said okay , that's a beautiful speech , not want to make some money , they told me when they came out of it .

But when she , when she looked down the table , every billionaire was a boy and I think you know so anyway , I thought , I thought you mean physically ?

I'm supposed to behave Like , and I've already ranted too much about patriarchy . We'll . We'll get into it later , but this doesn't feel like a pushback . It feels like a layer of the way that we handle men as a society , so that they actually don't have any responsibility ever .

It's all these elements where you're like , oh my God , like , oh , whatever , it doesn't matter , we can , we can go through every single iteration of it , but the key element here is that , one way or another , rebecca subverts the inevitable .

A Kufo has Francis litter everybody with with Chicago style hot dogs , which are not Chicago style hot dogs , according to our in house chef . And yeah , yeah , yeah , coach , coach , stop , please , please , don't open this door again , which is insufferable .

After the manatee pixie dream , after , like you know , I thought it was nauseating when , when Robert from sort of the oil guy , comes over and he's like , oh , when I saw you in that outfit , and Rupert doesn't say anything like , isn't like settled down right ?

But whatever we cut to , whatever , whatever the tailoring left a little bit to be desired , but anyway . So now we have Nate playing the playing beautifully in his room , and who should walk in ? Boss it ?

You know I'm not going to .

Really miss hearing you play . Okay , you do , I don't like I will say listen , I'm not going to poo poo this scene . Fathers and sons , it's a complicated thing usually .

Is the relationship with his dad , in order to be nicer , to not have outed Ted's mental sort of breakdown , mental illness or , you know , panic attack to the media Like is that ? Are those two things connected ? I don't know , but apparently the show has decided that this is what the next phase of the next step of Nate's journey .

I will say like from a shooting , from a blocking perspective . I hate when , when people talk to people over their back like I guess it's because I'm so untrusting as a person that you never going to see my back , like I sit in a restaurant on the wall . I'm waiting for , always waiting for . You know what I mean . I'm like who's going to ?

So , like coach , have I ever , have you ever talked to me in 25 , 30 years that we've been friends ? Have you ever ? Have you ever had me like lean over my , like you're talking back to the back of my hand ? I'm like , oh really , I just like don't . I just don't think it happens that much .

So every time I see it , it looks like a , like a , like a Mexican soap opera or something .

I'd be like I cause now I'm just nice , I want you to get out of here .

Um , like Emily , I , I love you , and then , and then you are , you're looking out the window and you turn your head a little bit and you're like you do , like wait , no , turn around , Like who , anyway , it just feels really melodramatic to me . It's fine , it's . This is , hey , this night the headline , this night the headline .

So I see it both as an acting and a directing choice . If I don't want to be fully vulnerable to you , then that's going to be part of me turning away . So I I could see that .

And in this situation I think Nate I mean he's not , he's no longer . He's no longer talking to Nate , the guy who coached West Ham . He talking to a little boy Like that's what this is , this whole thing with all of them is right . So he's the little boy now who got yelled at .

It also could be , like you know and I think I speak for both of you like when you're in the room with me , it's just super charming and you want it , you want to be facing me .

I know I put fun at this whole thing , but , like you , remember that yeah . When your dad says that to you like . There's been a couple times .

I've been working as a professional writer my whole life and there are a couple times in my whole life where my parents read my stuff very , very few and they each said at one time , really one time and they each said something like intently , instantly , unkind and they were like this is terrible .

Like yeah , like they read like three sentences and they're like , oh my God , this is awful , that's all they ever read . And they and so I'm like , yeah , you remember that . Now , if you're me , you just go . Okay , well , all right , I guess I'm not going to show them my fucking writing anymore .

but we don't remember shit nearly as well as we think we do , and I wonder if some of the things that we kind of bring back that way what we're really saying is this is how I felt in that situation . We think we remember exactly where everybody was standing and who took a deep breath before they said it , but we feel a lot of shit in .

But what is clear here is that is the experience he had . My father essentially hates me . Like , yeah , hates him , you play , but like it means . It essentially means my father hates me , right ?

As a student and well described coach , Um said , I wouldn't practice enough , I was squandering my potential and wasting my privilege . Uh , this was specific enough that I thought , okay , yeah , yeah , he's probably , he probably said something very close to this Um , you're , you're given opportunities I never had , so I expected a lot from you .

Um , well , it scared the shit out of me . I'm like , wow , that's .

I was like hey , you know what Nate Like all right , like good , for that is about as honest of a sort of self-aware thought that Nate is capable of having it that I've ever seen Nate say realistically like , except when he admits that he doesn't get jokes , or like these moments where he's very innocent and sort of simple .

But this one was like , this one is the result of thought Well , it's scary , like , you know what I mean . He's like really like , had a moment and he considered it . Dad says I know that now and I'm sorry , I didn't know how to parent a genius . What a genius , your brilliant son . You've always seen things other people couldn't , and that's a blessing .

Yet I know it must also be a curse too . But you're right , I pushed you to be the best in everything , even the violin cause . I thought that's what I had to do , I thought that's what you wanted . And Nate says what coach ?

When you're listen , there's gonna be parents who listen to this , who have geniuses at home , who have kids that are super talented , and that is a question how far do you push them ? Where does support come from ? Look at , look at my favorite television dad in history , Ola Obesanya . Right , Ted says hey , I don't mean to interrupt , but we're gonna get started .

But , Sam , I understand if you want to take the day off . Sam says right , Sam goes . Thank you , coach . And then what does Ola say ? Coach Crackers thing , yeah , get the fuck out there . Like that is hysterical . But like , was that too far or was it perfectly ? Like ?

This is the thing that parents cope with and deal with all the time and you just try to do the best for your kids . No matter what you do , they will be fucked up in some unknown way .

No matter how hard you try , no matter what you do , there will be things you miss or things that they misread , or moments where you're not congruent with the amount of pushing , as opposed to coddling or whatever this happens , it's okay .

Parents need to forgive themselves and just do the best you can and try to do the best for your children , Nathan , be successful , don't be successful . This is where the dad has a breakthrough . I never cared about any of that . I just want my son to be happy . That's right . There you go , Good job .

That's exactly where you're supposed to say Lloyd , I wish you'd said it 15 years ago . You might not have been in the same space .

What the fuck , that's my job , that's literally my goddamn job to push you . Now I may have done it in a way that you now find damaging , and I can acknowledge that , but to say I never cared about any of that . I did care about that . Yeah , I wanted you to be great .

I had 20 years of testosterone reduction , so now I can think straight right , like okay , but like you did care about it .

anything that you have been living with for a long time , is that by the if you have been living with it for 20 , 30 , 40 years however long Nate's been living with this by the time you get to the point where the other person says I didn't want you to be unhappy , I wanted you to be happy , I want you to be successful in doing whatever else , that by

itself is not going to fix all of the trauma that you've been building up your entire life . Like we talk a lot about how Ted Lasso presents mental health issues and I love that they get people to talk about it and that they went to the White House to talk about it .

But the fact of the matter is is that if you had a unresolved trauma from when you were 16 , like Ted does , or an unresolved issue with his dad that Nate hasn't dealt with in 20 years . You were going to be developing habits and behaviors on top of that trauma that you then need to undo before you could actually get to what's going on .

So this is a great scene in a TV show where we discuss fathers and sons trying to reconcile and get together .

This is not what mental health looks like , though , like . This is not a resolution .

I know what it takes to do , whatever it is , whatever the subplots that it is , I know what the life cycle of this is . I know what the steps in this process are , and you're not gonna be able to do them on a television show . So don't half-ass it or don't approximate it .

And then somebody else might say well , I'm glad they did that , because at least they're shining a light and at least they get to go to the White House and they're doing more for mental health awareness than other shows had . So I see both sides .

This was something Nate really needed to just say out loud to his father , and he needed to hear from his father that his father loved him or his father held him in high esteem . But he needed to hear that it doesn't mean he's good now . It means he's , like , ready to start the journey you're talking about and your experience of it is .

They're saying in the scene that that is the journey . Yeah , so I guess that would be a distinction for me .

For people who don't have that information , though , what they have learned essentially from the episode is you have this one breakthrough moment and then you don't need to deal with the problem ever again , because his problems with his dad are never addressed after this .

So I don't want the impression and I'm sure for the people , especially the ones listening to this podcast , have an understanding of that . I'm guessing I'm not telling them anything new . But for wider society .

When you hear over and over again that you need to have one breakthrough and then everything's good , when people are still in therapy for two years , like sometimes , the people around you are like , well , what the fuck are you doing ? Why haven't you had your breakthrough ?

I aspire to be one of the better TV viewers out there . I don't want to be a critic as much as I want to be a commenter on pop culture and have a take on things and try to frame it in a positive way . Okay , with the Jamie Tartt arc , what we saw they really established execution-wise wow , jamie's a dick . We see Jamie being a dick , right .

And then we meet his dad and we go , holy shit , that guy's a dick and they sound a lot alike , right . And then we see him sort of distancing himself for his dad . Then he removes his dad and then he starts his transformation . Then , guess what , he's not a dick .

Okay , this is a very easy color by number of stuff , but this happens to be the subplot that worked best for everyone , universally . Everybody loved that .

Now , with Nate , I just want to point out that like , okay , nate has something where he's insecure , right , and then we find out , okay , he talks badly to Colin , he punches down , he also punches up , he resents being held down , but he also attacks down . Oh you go , okay , wait , what's that ? You meet his family and it's not like his dad punched up .

Or you go , okay , wait , as you're tracking these things , you're going wait . What is the inciting event , what is the prime mover with regard to Nate's condition ? And the show would have you say , oh , there's a daddy issue there , okay , oh , yeah , okay , great . But there's also a . He has a problem self-hate , so he does the spitting thing , okay , great .

He also isn't able to be a good man or something until he has a girlfriend . We go , okay .

So I'm just saying , from the web of whatever the hell is bothering , I don't know what comes first and because of that , I don't know what the snowball effect is to tip or the domino effect to knock over every other domino in the right order that , from a linear perspective . An audience member goes I see this , this is beautiful .

All he had to do was this , this , this , this , this , this , this , and I'm saying it feels like I don't know what's done on this phone .

This general experience of growing up feeling not good enough for dad To my experience of this show gives you everything else you're talking about . In terms of now , you know I have issues with how they played it out for him , but in terms of like his origin , I do think that's supposed to be sort of like , and from this comes everything else .

I will say , though , in terms of execution and things that did work , you actually walked me into something that it was pretty cool . When he is , when he's all in black and at halftime , ted follows him in . He faces away . When his father comes in the room , he faces away . When Colin comes in , he faces him , he faces him .

Yeah , he , I'm above you , I'm bigger than you . I can beat you up , I can be the cat I talk about I dream of being if we were all animals , but if you're bigger than me and I'm scared of you , I turn the other way . I don't want you to see .

He stood to talk to Ted in that moment , exactly the way he was standing to talk to his father , and I bet if we go back , the shots of war are similar than not .

I got a fantastic email from one of our Butter Cups last week just saying here's why I don't agree with you , coach , and laid it all out . I think that is absolutely wonderful . I don't expect people to agree with me , I don't expect to be right . That's not .

I have a lived experience that I you know this is I see the world through my lens and then I try to interpret it that way . Then I see , okay , I hear about bosses lens . I hear about coaches , I hear about all the Butter Cups lens .

I hear about all these fantastic other ways to see these things , and then we try to arrive at something that makes sense and let us get through the day without fucking crying in a puddle . So , coach , I really appreciate that . For me it did not feel linear , that this was the inciting event that turned . That was like you know about .

I'm like , okay , nate's , nate making craft boxes and Nate , you know , being insulted by lavender scents . I'm like , okay , is that all from this feeling of I'm not enough , you know , like a false center or false core belief . Okay , I can see it . When you say it , I could see it . It's just that I didn't track it in the same way .

Like this was not Luke dropping shooting Wampirats into the , into the Death Star , like the one thing that would make everything okay and start the tumblers turning so that the door unlocks ? I didn't see that , I just mixed like 17 metaphors . But the Star Wars and keys .

The point is this I get it and I may not be right about this , coach , you may be right , it doesn't matter . The point is people are gonna listen and they're gonna say it either worked for them or it didn't . And I appreciate hearing you know the trajectory of it for you . Now we have . We cut back to the Akufo thing . That was all very interesting .

Robert says he sort of glances at Rupert . Lunch soon . Yeah , sure , rebecca , you still look lovely . I hated this too . I hated all of it . Oh , lunch soon with the man with the other obnoxious ass . Hey , you wanna grab a bite to eat . It's a bite . Yeah , yeah , whatever . Oh , and you who ?

The point of you is to look , coach , you missed a whole thing that you would have fucking if you heard what I said about the situation I was in . It was so gross . Anyway , rebecca , your job is to look lovely . He doesn't say Rupert .

You still look lovely , like , even though in your , even though you've gone to seed Rupert , even though you have wrinkles on your face right , even though your body's starting to sag , you still look lovely , rupert . And Rebecca , you wanna grab some food soon ? Should we grab like a bite ? No , no , cause he's disgusting I .

There are very few people , there are very few bad guys in Ted Lasso , but I wanna shoot Robert from Serythia Mollil out of a cannon into space . I loathe this guy .

I couldn't have a better best man

. It's that he is so fucking gross . He doesn't you don't ? You , sir , do not get to make that fucking joke . You don't get to make some after you like openly said you were glad to see me walk in so you could check me out . You , sir , do not get to like make off-color jokes about my wedding night . No , sir , but he's just . I think that's .

That was part of what I found interesting about it . It's like he even he says hello and it has like an odor . This is gross . He's just gross , yeah .

I don't care , like I don't mind , I love , I get along great with people of all ages , but it's that like , there's a lasciviousness to it when it's like , oh , he's talking like he would if he was like a 25 year old . I don't know what . It's something like something gross .

Something gross about where it's like dude , what like you should be like a , a wizened elder at this point . You know like you've seen the world like , but you're , you're contributing in the most negative possible way . It's like , yeah .

like having a couple of drinks and then thinking we are absolutely partying and like I love a drink Do not get me wrong , I actually enjoy being intoxicated .

But there's a difference between where you're going to sit and have a bottle of wine between the two or three of us maybe , and have too much to drink but keep it under control and what a couple of these guys are doing , and it's like we're not 20 anymore . We can't get away with this shit anymore .

It's just it's not that it's age inappropriate , it's that we are at different stages of our life inappropriate . And this is you cannot be the playboy from the 70s that you think you still are , because that's not how you or the world are .

Oh , oh God , jesus Christ , I'm looking for a palette cleanser . What's your ?

And then Rupert goes and tries to swipe something off her face a little bit of food or whatever and of course tries to kiss her Because , wait a minute , why wouldn't you do that at this stage ?

Like it's as if this fucking rolls Royce just rolled the fuck out one day , like his rolls was just got on the goddamn road by itself , just to right . So , like that's his experience . So when she is nice and they laugh together or whatever , he's like order .

I'm not defending his behavior , obviously , but I think , like in his mind , it's like my fucking car who parked it all the fucking way over here , yeah , but he , he , like he's got his possession back and he can't even fathom that . No , I just remembered his little stupid story , that's all , and I just told it so that I can have my way . Like he doesn't .

I don't think he could . Even even after this happened , I don't know that he could make sense of it .

Thanks for all Always looking out , nobody cares I really like it when you sing coach , but I didn't enjoy

that . That wasn't good . Yeah , it wasn't as good . It still was good , you're a good singer . I don't like when I'm the I'm the brunt of the jokes . I prefer when we make fun of boss frankly Got it . So I guess this is a yeah , no . Yeah , I think everybody does boss . So we have a .

Okay , I was , I was pleased that Rebecca had this moment , root for Rebecca and I like that Rupert seemed , you know , sort of just shocked , shocked . This is great , look , great , acting . My Anthony had we cut to Roy Kent outside Keely's , outside Keely's . And what is he doing here , coach ?

And he's like , oh , I'm going to be on the front door , I'm going to be on the front door , I'm going to be on the front door and skizzle , right , yeah , right . And again , another recall , because that's exactly what she did to Ted when he was taping over the old nipples .

And then , yeah , so look at you in color , is the next thing she says , because he's wearing the shirt . So nice , it's a visual joke , but also you get the sense like , she's like huh Roy in color . What's going on ?

Coach , what happens with this ?

It's like neither one of them like . Each of them is like I know my Brad , not talk about me right now . So and so what's that ? It's ? It's for you . It's the letter . You have to look at it . Now she starts to open it and she's looking at the letter and then she says I still can't read your handwriting .

I'm pretty sure in the rapid response we talked about that moment , you know , and could she really not read it ? But certainly she hands it back and so he then reads it to her . Dear Keely , I want you to know something . You never did anything wrong . It was all me .

I was stuck , stuck in my own shit , and I didn't want I didn't want to cause you any harm with it , so I pulled away . But you are , and he has a little trouble with it . You are and always will be , keely fucking Jones , and if I ever did anything , anything at all , that made you feel like that wasn't true . I'm so sorry .

I love you Sincerely , yours Roy Kent XOXO . This is very simple , but it's very beautiful . I loved it . And you mean you know a guy with the show unstuck as fuck . I mean it certainly .

It certainly resonated for me , but yeah , no shit , yeah , I thought that um , it was a really powerful way to write it and I think when we're in our stuff sometimes it's hard to realize that we can impact other people . But you feel so , you know , you feel so , whatever small or insignificant , or you're just wrapped up in it .

I don't think it's necessarily people being selfish . I just think sometimes you're just in what you're in so deeply that you couldn't possibly see that . So I like that . He , you know , came and owned it yeah .

I love the scene , but I don't know how it plays in the overall plot .

I can't remember , I can't place it right now , but yes , there's . I would lobby for a different choice at the very end of this . She watches , you know , thank you , okay , and then , and then he walks away . She watches him walk away . We stay on her , we do a wide shot of him walking away , so we see the distance , we see she's alone .

We do a tight shot on her watching him walk away . And the craziest cut , and we talked about it in the rapid reaction and she just she moves . There's a tiny move and you go , oh , and that's it . Wait what ?

This is the moment where they've experienced tough things , they're both in really tough places in their life and they can lean on each other and then they end up together . That's one way to do it . Okay , so now we cut to magically boss . Is something happening in in over in Lloyd's kitchen ?

But I guess that's , that's what I'm saying is , I didn't take , I never took any of these that way , because to me it'd be like well , of course not , but I get what is being said , which is , if you're not familiar with it , then it seems like that's exactly what just happened .

All of a sudden Keely comes hauling ass down the stairs . And why is she doing that , boss ?

I just came into a room full of Rupert Dickhead friends and pull out of the Kufo league . Oh no , it's very good , Hug me , I'm so proud of you . Now we cut to them on the couch again and I love it and I love these .

Like I just thought that was a yes , it's a funny Keely line , but I thought , like that's what that is called a friend . You know , like a friend of mine says it's a little different because it can be said a bit tongue in cheek but if you like it , I love it . But when you say it straight up , like if you like it , I like it for you .

Yeah , I'm not going to wear that jacket , it's not my jacket , but I like it for you , Like if that's what you want to wear , so I like that . That energy between them .

The Rebecca Keely relationship is very charming and supportive and one of the very dependable through lines that has gone through all three seasons you know . So we cut to the couch . Where the hell have you been ? Then we cut to the couch . They just pulled your funding .

So we have all this whole thing asshole , arseholes , arse , super classy , why don't you tell me it couldn't find the right time in the right way , and I didn't want to .

All right , so I didn't want to . Well , they're idiots because you , killy Jones , are bloody Marvel . Hey , guess who just said that to her ? She heard that from someone else . Yeah , oh man .

I can't even get scared thinking about what those rents would be if you're just a startup .

I was like , whoa , there's a lot of shit going on here , there's a lot of shit happening in really fast , because I feel like that's a big moment in their relationship . She's handing her dream back and I feel like they like sprint past it to me . I don't know , maybe I'm wrong , but it felt to me like okay , I guess we're done .

Oh and by the way , it's fair , rupert Redkiss me .

Like you don't know that stuff . You know , listen , coach , will I make fun of coach a lot , but he will have a tiny little something in his life that happens . It goes right , finally , or some time when he goes hey man , I get a text like you won't believe this shit , this little , it's a tiny little nothing .

But if I write like it's a little tiny bit , where every other time in his life he's got kicked in the balls in this one corner of his life , and this one time he didn't and he tells me , and the only reason I go , I get fired up and I'm like , yes , because I know how many times he got kicked in the walls .

If you don't have that context , you don't know . And then I mean this is the . I just love . The key is so quick , I love .

I mean Keely is , she's radiant and she's so , even though she's so down and she's going through this really hard time , but she's still very , very generous of spirit and ready to celebrate her friend's victory , which is a which is a massive victory , and give it the attention it deserves and I think it's . It's just a beautiful moment .

So it had a little bit of that like I got to be in the locker room for a second and like I would never be a party to this conversation really , because if I were there that changes the mold right , you know what I mean . So that was kind of cool . I did like that , Did your lips touch ? I just wouldn't have thought to ask that .

I was like oh right , Of course you would ask that . Anyway , yeah .

And Roy's coming down the stairs wearing Keeley's robe , reminiscent of the first season , when he was wearing something similar when Jamie showed up and I would need to check it out , but there was definitely . Was that the coffee ?

He wasn't trying to be a dick and he tried to be gentle and kind about it and they talked to Phoebe and they were adults and they got along with each other , but he broke her fucking heart , and so there is something about allowing yourself to go back to somebody who's broken your fucking heart before figuring out if that's actually a good idea .

But I don't think that she ever was like I'm not interested in this , she just had her shit going on .

He didn't believe it fully , for all the reasons that he has to deal with as that door closes later . But yeah , I mean , I think she was fine . Even when they quote unquote broke up , she was the one saying oh , we're taking a break . Oh , yeah , I'm going to be there , you know , and I'll still be around . Yeah , okay .

Coach , walk us through this , as Will walks into the Richmond locker room , probably bright , spanking early the break of break of dawn , and what does he find in the locker room ?

What do you call ? Is that called a sprig ? I don't know . Like a bit of lavender , is it a sprig ?

Anyway , he ends up getting deported and the headline is that he got deported and that he says he's not even from there because he had this like mystery accent through the whole . He got like deported to Romania and he says he's not from there . I still , anyway , that made me laugh , me standing there going . But who did I insult ?

I don't know I insulted , but yeah . So he finds this sprig of lavender which of course you know was Nate's big thundering point that , like you know , you don't want calm players . Beard had a great line off of that too After they shower , which was very funny , but yeah . So he finds that and the note is from Wonder Kid and he says he's sorry .

What I will say is that , unlike Nate's background with Lloyd and how that has taken decades to develop and made him you know I don't want to say broken , but has given him these issues , in this way Will seems like he is together enough that he was like oh , one guy was an asshole to me one time and now I'm okay Like he . So this one .

Even though I think Nate needed to show up more , I think , at least in terms of what he did for Will , this seems to be even and okay .

And coach , tell boss , I don't think she knows this . Jesus , wait , does she know this ? Maybe , maybe , tell our listeners . So , coach is a coach , I am a fake coach . Coach is a real coach , all right . And coach , tell the listeners about the text you got the other day .

I said your whole family should be proud and he said you should be proud , right along with our family . You instilled that competitive drive . I mean , it was just it was staggering , it really was staggering . It took my , it quite literally took my breath away .

I try , I really do try to do this with the kids and to have a have somebody say that at a pinnacle kind of moment like that I was a part of it was pretty amazing , he made it very clear on Facebook that you were not a part of .

That's who this kid was and I told him that and I was like you are , you're a leader , you know . And yeah , his dad . Actually I told you guys about the rope ceremony . His dad still has the video he told me I got to get it from him of me talking to this kid at the rope ceremony and I told him .

I said you can't run the fastest and you don't jump the highest , but anytime I needed something done right , I put you there and you never let me down .

And to hear what you said to him do what you did for me , for everybody else , you're going to be fine .

That is incredibly validating , and not in the way the boss validates people , which is by saying that is valid Like a vulture .

If you would say it to their face , fine , whatever if you're that type of person . But like you don't need to run people down . Something tells me Shandy is going to make enough problems wherever she ends up . Barbara hi , what are you doing here ? Boss , take it away please .

At which point Keely squeals and hugs her and Barbara has to finally say would you mind loosening your grip Because I need to get my receipt so you can reimburse me . So keeping the whole like so perfect . And until the end , she's going to make sure that she is still CFOing , regardless of what else that fits .

Now it took the belief of her friend and the support and the financial security for Keely to sort of drudge up the courage to make that call and be like , hey , you know , because it was available . We just see that it was available to be resuscitated . And it's a good lesson for all of us to think like sometimes you just a call or a phone call away .

Sometimes I've made calls in my life where you go God , so many of us are just crippled by anxiety and you tell yourself a story you know , like I said , we all reviewed through our own lens , right . And so you say , oh , they probably see me like this . And then you make that call and you go , holy shit , that was fun or that was great .

Or they're like , thank God , you called , I was . Whatever it does , it goes both ways . Sometimes you'll get the cold shoulder . But then what did you lose ? You ventured , nothing gained . So you know , fortune favors the bold . Keely goes out and she wins this job back and you go yes , I'd like seeing you with your hair done up again and you're back in your .

You're all done up to the nines . You look fantastic . You're walking around in this space like right in the middle , not locked off into her office . She's owning it more , you know .

Another coach , he just pops in and out whatever he wants to . It's cool he's done in Gallivant , so we're sitting here and we I didn't . I didn't uh , thank him for his position enough , and he just crapped the fuck out .

We , we talk , we talk about , um , just the quality of , of the performances here , and it's amazing that when things can , people are so good that you just go , yeah , I'm on board with it , it's so , it's such a theory . I keep using that word . It's not a theory , it's um Difficult to . What is the ? What is the term ?

Why is it that one person , uh , can come into a role and you love it ? It's a Q score or something like that . No , no , q score is also like how familiar you are . But there's this , yeah , there's just this .

This , uh , carass Vonnegut would call it , or you know Something where it's like you , just Somebody walks in the room and you go , god damn it , like why did I Listen ? I , I saw , I took one look at At our boss , emily Chambers , and I was like that , that chick is my shit right . I was like , I was like I don't know why .

I was like she's so fucking cool .

But like you look , remember she was so irritated with Jack at the game .

You know , I think we , according to our polling , uh , at the end of the show , you know what she came out with flying colors and everybody Uh sort of just was very , very charmed by both her and , but you know , right in the tube and and having yogurt and her pajamas and Right and people just ended up being charmed by both her and the Relationship with Keely

. Um , okay , now we move to the the locker room . Boss , walk us through . Uh , uh , sam walking into the locker room .

the break . I don't think we even found out . Is there a winner when the international teams play ? Or these are all just for fun ?

It feels broken . Oh , it was such a crazy night . It's such a crazy game , right . And then he says so many memories and says to everybody else he saved the ball with his nose . Top 10 moments in sports history . So , like the fight , whatever it was that was happening , they have resolved it . Things are good now . Now .

His body language is fantastic , he , he's , he's moving back and forth . You know , it's side to side , a little bit like like he's nervous unsure about what's happening . Yeah , and you go yeah , it just it , just it just works , because the Fernandez is great , mojito Lamour great , everybody it's a , it's a quick little thing and it's a stupid . You listen ?

And aside that , I think I think probably if I said what percentage of the audience really dug this little side thing maybe 15% of the I think mostly it missed . If I had to guess right , I don't think either people got it or they liked it , or or it made sense or it felt like unnecessary .

Unnecessary , but if you liked it , like me and you know a little bit about the history of it and sort of the , the teams we're talking about it felt , felt great the context certainly helped the joke for me .

They do not suffer fools , they're coming to get you , they're playing in the field against Team Mexico and I have it's the only time I've ever been in a bench clearing brawl in a soccer game and and just , and it wasn't . I'm not saying they play dirt , they just they play tough , they play tough .

Man , they are coming to get you and they are amazing soccer players . It's an amazing country full of amazing people , and I don't want anyone to think I'm saying anything that I'm not . I just man , I love , I loved .

I played three times in my life and played against Team Mexico and every single time it was like , first of all , we'd lost every single time , except for the last twice and the one the other one got shut down was a forfeit . So the point about Mexico is that they play great , they play amazing at football and they come to play , that's it .

They come to win and Canada is chock full of lovely people who are some of the best people on the planet and we talked about it before , so we're not going to not going to spend too much time on it .

Sam continues in the locker room and he sort of goes , he goes over his lights , we see Colin , and then Sam goes to his locker , he hangs up the 1994 , you know the team photo from the Nigerian national team and he turns and he's got a huge smile on his face , boss . And how do you read this ?

We cut to . We cut to the coach's room . Trent says so , where are you from originally ? To which beard replies what boss ? That's none of your business . Trent says what coach ?

But he was like OK , like you make the rules and if I ask you a question , and that , ok , I guess I was a bit personal , I don't know , I just thought it was like perfection in his response .

He makes a face at Trent so that Trent will turn around and look . They both turn around and look and as Roy looks back at them , acknowledges the shirt and walks away . Beard turns to Trent and says I'm from Peoria . So something about Roy embracing his being slightly more willing to be open is making Beard slightly more willing to be open .

We're tight on Rebecca as she rehangs the footballer by David Hockney In the place , which is , oh man , when I saw this I'm like God , we really are at the end .

I just thought , anyway , I think , because I really really believed him , like in a way that , yes , you talk to God is funny , but like that was a little over . Do I really believe that ? You believe that the devil it's funny . But this one was like no , I actually believe this could have happened in real life .

We get a little very quick insert of of it says a crash of the Titans rumored a Kufo League falls , which was a nice resolution to Rebecca's involvement in that disgusting billionaire boys club , and then walk us through the rest of this as they sit down here boss .

The real point is that she says she no longer realized . She has realized that she no longer cares if they beat Rupert , but she still wants to win for all of us , for Richmond . So now it's not about Rupert , it is about her and her love of the club and the game and everything else .

Yeah , in the same way , you know , this has happened with other people , and so it allowed that cathartic moment that gave her clearance and allowed her to sort of transcend the original pain and the original trauma and move on and get to a place where she has the wherewithal and the perspective to say something like this and actually mean it and she's like yeah ,

okay , no , I've like been there , done that . There's no , you know , they all say carrying around vengeance or carrying around you know , having a sense of you know you want to get back at someone . It hurts you more than hurts them . They don't even know where .

I do literally have a list on my phone that is called Emily's Enemies , and that is because they used to let you do update voice updates on lists . You can't do it anymore . They switched it .

You can't be able to say like , hey , siri , add Castleton to my enemies list , and she'd be like okay , castleton is that , and so you could like just do that in front of people . You're like no , you're literally on my enemies list . Now the phone just did it for me .

I mean I feel like they visually reinforced that a lot Because she truly wanted to destroy it , not only out of spite , but just for her , like it was a joke , only she , rebecca , was in on really at the end of the day , right , and you know , without speaking about things that haven't happened yet , I mean for her to want , I want to win for us too , like

it wasn't , like I want to win now because I want to be great , like no , she wants to win because Sam's awesome and look at Jamie and God , I love you , ted , and yeah , yeah , I thought it was , I thought it was well done and well placed .

She's wearing the type of dress that people fantasized she would go back to Oklahoma with Ted or you know , like Kansas I'm joking around about Oklahoma but because of the Wizard of Oz stuff .

But yeah , this is when they were in the restaurant with sunflowers everywhere and they talked about oh , when she's with Gazelle man , she wears this type of wears her hair down and she has this type of country looking dress and she just looks , you know , much less severe but it she looks less burdened because she has unburdened herself in a very key way and it

shows you can , you can see it . So it's a nice , nice beat for for Rebecca . And then what happens here , boss ?

Someone will be like , oh , there's no more block . Right , that's the whole thing , that's it . Yeah , it's a paid thing , we don't have to really get into it . But , like , my feet is basically like , oh , I lost my son to cancer or something like that . And then somebody's like , yeah , thank Biden . I'm like what the fuck ? What am I reading ?

I am so happy we got through season three , episode 10 , International Break . We are going to come to you next time with part one of a boss . What is the next episode and how much protective ?

Thank you to everyone who supported and watched the Women's World Cup , which was the viewership numbers absolutely skyrocketed this year , broke every single attendance record and I think there was a billion people who watched in 2019 and more than two billion this time . The numbers have doubled . The draw and the quality of the sport is undeniable , no matter what .

We thank the show , ted Lasso , for bringing us all together , and I want to stress one more time listen , it's good to disagree . It's okay . Like we're not always going to have the right position , we disagree with each other on the show .

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