Who is Israel Going to Bomb Next? | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

that episode as well. Encyclopedic knowledge of what goes on in Iran. Of course, our dear leader Jack Murphy's joining us today. Jack. Ye, I dragoon Jack late late in the game to come on. I'm surprised, he said, Yes, Yeah.

bit of like, uh, you know, the Mussad chief and IDF chief people were not down for this, and bb Net and Yahoo went ahead and did it. Tar just came out today and like strongly condemned Israel and stuff like that. Where you guys at, what do you guys track in Who's going to go first? I'm gonna pick John Hackett to go first. Our guest goes first.

things like that. And I think as each little bite at the apple has been taken, they realize that they can take bigger bites with very little consequence or no consequence. There's a big difference between making statements and condemnation and

then doing something. And there's a lot of statements in condemnation and very little of doing something to prevent future acts from happening, or to even do something to moderate current actions, like in Qatar, but not just Qatar, same things happening in southwest Syria right now in Durra where Israel sent a ground force into Dura across the nineteen seventy four ceasefire line. Again taking little bites at the apple to see how far can we nibble before we can make a bigger bite.

own Ascent and soccapp forces stationed there. And that's the only golf country that Trump has recently visited. In fact, it was the first time a US president ever visited Katar very recently, and to do that is a huge provocation, not just to the golf countries but also to the United States to say this part of the Israeli government that's making these decisions can do it without even US

support or knowledge. Because as far as I know, the US was not informed until the bombs are either in the air or already had struck.

of the Soviet era. Do you remember when they were trying to get they were trying to negotiate with the Soviet government to get to enable Jews to emigrate to Israel. And part of that deal was allegedly espionage information from the United States about our sources and methods against the Soviet Union. And that's what Pollard was apparently involved in. And so that was a big risk, remember back then, using an agent against US an ally. But they took

that risk. It was worth it to them, and they got away with it, right, I mean Pollard went to jail, but that was it. There were no more repercussions. I would say that this is different in that it's not clear. Well, let me put word of this a different way. Furthering is really national interest by doing this? It's not. There was There's not a clear line, and I think that's

why Mossad and the IDF were against the strike. There was a lot of risk involved jeopardizing negotiations in Doha with her Mass by breaking that that unkind of unspoken rule that not to strike in Doha and doing that. It's not clear that they gained anything by it. That they removed her Ma anyone really effective within her maas with the strike. And what they have done is they've

thumbed their nose at the United States. I don't think that's been made clear in the media how much they did that because either they informed the United States in which case we enabled or allowed a strike on a on a Middle Eastern partner who is allowing us, you know, to keep keep our troops on their territory in a base, in other words, implicitly providing our protection to that country, and we've allowed it out to strike. I don't I agree with you. John I don't think that happened that way.

I think we found out at the last minute, but we didn't. We haven't objected vaciferously. Again, you know, whether we whatever you think of Kada, we have a base there that is important to us national interests. And by the way, we don't pay anything for that base. We pay very little for that base. So and yes, those of us who've been there for an extended time will tell you it's a shith hole, but it is a

strategically placed shithle. And and so you know, I just feel, regardless of the way you look at this, whether we knew about it beforehand, whether we found out the last minute, didn't object, we've we've lost a massive amount of credibility again in the Middle East. And you know, of course that leaves a le vacuum. And Netania thumb his nose at us. He thumbed his nose at a large segment of his own government and his own advisors. And why

did he do it? The only possible answer that I can come up with isn't that this was in pursuit of Israeli's interests. These were in pursuit of Netanyahu's interest because he stands to gain by letting the war in Gaza. Drag On and his own generals are telling him that continued military operations will gain little, they will damage the economy, and of course they will continue to have catastrophic effects on the Palestinian population in Gaza, about whom no one

really seems to care that much. So I think as there, Yeah, sorry, go.

not listen to us. Essentially, it's an interesting chasm between these two because I think many Westerners might think that we're just supporting all these nations the same way, and that's not true. Some of the nations are pulling all of their own weight and they're there making sacrifices like Qatar and the Emirates or Saudi Arabia to have us there, sacrificing some of their sovereignty and some of their resources for us to be there, and the opposite is true in Israel.

were we're driven by US foreign policy and we just seem to have turned our back on all of this.

all this. They've been remarkably silent about it this time, which suggests maybe that they weren't didn't get the people that they were after.

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might be for short term political gain. How do you see this playing out for Israel over the next ten or twenty years. This sort of a total breach of you know what we would have called the Westphalian system, right that they can cross these international boundaries and strike whoever they want, wherever they want with and sometimes it seems without a lot of rhyme or reason.

as they could out of these four years. It squeezed the most benefit without a clear probably idea about five to ten years from now. Rather, they were looking at the US domestic politics and trying to use US domestic politics to increase their own outcomes. But I'll hand it over to you Andy to be more in depth on that.

time they were sovereign states, they were kingdoms. And then I mean, I would say that that concept is in atrophy to say the least. I mean, we violated it. We robustly a couple of times, right, most notably of

course in in Iraq. And we use then the concept of you know, the right to protect and and the concept that you have you abdicate your right to sovereignty if you're doing certain things and preemptive a great Uh, the preemptive defense, I guess is the term and you know that that we used at the time, but nevertheless we we we can the concept then and since then we've turned our back on it, most recently, I think with Ukraine and all this, all these these verbal gyrations

to try and show that somehow as Ukraine's fault for getting invaded in the first place. But back to back to the discussion about Jack, what you're saying about Israel. I think it's really I think it's really interesting. Mean, first of all, we're all aware that since seven October we've seen a giant moved to the right within Israeli society. I mean, that's been taking place since the assassination of Rabine back in when was that nineteen ninety was it ninety five?

And that again was largely the basis for the opposition against the Doha strike. And you have sometimes in the United States. I think we get in this view because we see our own government kind of following along in path of the Israelis just almost obsequiously agreeing to everything that they do. But elsewhere in the world, Israel is

becoming a pariah, you know, among European governments. And may that may not matter to Israel, but down the line when the US administration changes, that may matter a great deal. I'm not talking purely in financial terms, but you can't. You can't without consequence make yourself a prior for long periods of time. And I think there are Israelis so

concerned about that. And I think too, when you're talking about direct threats to Israel, this feeling that, hey, all we need to do is flatten Guaza and kill all the Palestinians we can and the problems will go away. And likewise, in Lebanon, of course that's that's not going to happen. I mean, his Bolla is down for the for the time being. But can you imagine, you know, we we are familiar with counterinsurgency. The Israelis don't understand counterinsurgency.

I mean, that's the bottom line. And they don't understand that you generate, you generate recruits for the cause by doing the things that you were doing that and that again is just going to build up a pressure of steam that sooner or later is going to burst again. You know, you can't clamp down one hundred percent time

on all these territories. Israel's economy is suffering, and that's another reason why NETNA is indefinite extension of the war and Gaza is unpopular because it's affecting individual Israelis across the board. They've mobilized three hundred thousand reserves, which is a reservists over and over again, which is a huge percentage of a ten million person population, and the economy

has suffered severely. I mean, I've been Disrael three or all times since seven October, and the tourist industry is down the toilet, and you know, unfortunately it's the same in Jordan. It's the same in neighboring countries. The long term economic impact of these continued wars is there is something that.

of a background. They were, you know, in the in the post war years, at the birth of birth of Israel, they were the civic Jews were brought in and given these protections in a purposeful policy to rebuild them as part of Jewish and Israeli culture after you know, the Holocaust, and like a lot of preservation programs, though it has got it's got out of control. Right, It's like the I mean, you name it. I'm trying to without being too facetious and thinking of you know, wildlife. They don't

have a predator, you know. But the point is that they build and build. They don't contribute to the economy, they don't work. They just you know, they learn about the Torah and they thought the Jewish religion, which has always been considered an important aspect of Israeli culture. But they don't work in you know, they don't work in it or in companies, and they don't serve in the military.

And that in particular has caused resentment because they tend to be you know, they tend to be vociferous too in the support of Zionism, and they tend to you know, they represent a disproportion number of the settlers on the West Bank, et cetera, et cetera. So there is a feeling, at least there was before seven October, and it has continued within Israeli society that they contribute to a lot of the problems and a lot of tensions, but they don't they're not prepared to defend the country, and so

conscripting them has largely been a positive move. But net Nyaho's walking a typewrote because he does receive political support from that community along. You know, I'm not combining, I'm not conflating right wing Zionists with Hasidic Jews, but I'm just saying there's a big shaded area on the Venn diagram, and Neil does thrive a lot of his support from

both circles of the diagram. But to your point, yeah, I think there's a there's a tremendous amount of division Israeli's society over the war, but it's centered on the hostages rather than what's happening to Gaza.

population of Israeli citizens that are Palestinian. And then there's another percentage of the population that also serves in the military and is dying for the State of Israel, and those are the Drus. The Jrus are not Jewish, and some would say they're not Muslim. It depends how you define what Dru's religion is. But that's a significant part of the population that is fighting and dying for the state. And there's tension beyond the concurrent past two years of

war that we're looking at. If you remove that from the equation and look at what's actually happening domestically, there are a lot of fissures under the surface of domestic politics that once this conflict is in the past, those fissures will begin to bubble up once again, just like they were in two years ago. Right before October seventh happened, there were protests in the street in some ways related to these demographic fissures that, like I said, again, will bubble up.

in that, you know. That's that's partly why the Israelis were so keen to bring in immigration in the you know, in the seventies and eighties, because they you know, I suppose they could, but they're unlikely disenfranchised to twenty five percent the population that are Palestinian, but they have a much higher birth rate than the Israeli population. And to John's point, yeah, actually there's a lot of Drus and

Bedouins in the IDF. If you read about nahalas the fall of the not not the Kabberts, but the base itself. The fact that so many of the garrisons survive was attributed to a not Drus but a better win officer who who died defending basically about fifteen IDF soldiers who had taken taken shelter in the kind of the control room there. So yeah, it's I mean, it's a great point.

It's there's there's all kinds of fractures within within Israeli society, the left right, you know, the split between the left and right that was always there is not so prevalent. The left seems to have kind of drifted away, but there is definitely vociverous opposition to Netnia, who he's a very divisive figure, is reelly seemed to either love him

or hate him. And then you know the the other demographics that John was talking about, and of course you've got the old animosity too between John what of the non Ashkenazi Israeli is called them and the mizrath in Ashkenazi. Yeah, Sephardim in the last decade have have kind of come to prominence both within the id F and and and also in the government than they used to be.

Uh and people in the news are kind of saying that it's in reaction to a lot of the European states calling for a two state solution, which you know, I thought was like the broad policy for all of us in the West, maybe not inside of Israel, but what are they doing in terms of gearing up towards That's like from what you guys have heard or seen or mud wrestle for who goes first, Andy, I'm gonna pick then I'm taking control here.

photographs and they made some people my rate. But but you know, I mean a year or two before, no one would have cared. You would have seen even tourists there.

And you know, occasionally and for the most part, all you saw there were Palestinians where those areas now are regularly being patrolled by Israelis and and and there are regular infringements by of course settlers into Palestinian areas. Sometimes very aggressively, and you've probably seen in the media about times where they'll just, you know, a bunch of yahoos will run in armed yahoos and set fire to a Palestinian town and shoot a few people and then leave

and sadly with impunity. And so it's just not a Yeah, it's a pretty pretty fraud atmosphere there. It's hard unless you've been there to imagine what it's like. But did to your point, No, I mean I don't. I don't see any I don't see that situation getting any better. I really don't. I mean there's no because there are no I use the term sanctions in the broad term, but there's nothing to prevent the Israelis doing what they're

doing on the West Bank right now. There's nothing to prevent the settlers running wild whenever they want to and basically running pograms on the Palestinians, which is what is happening. And if you think I'm exaggerating, you're wrong. You know, I mean burning down, burning down in Thai villages, shooting people. It happens. It has been happening regularly, and for the most part, people turn a blind eye to it.

listen to media, watch it. So what they're seeing instead is the things that are pulling them, gravitating toward the Gaza issues because they can only many people can only focus on one issue, on a foreign topic at a time, you know, so Israel right now it's Gaza, and they can't They don't have time to separate what's going on in Gaza, what's happening in West Bank, what's happening in goal On Heights, what's happening with southern Lebanon, Because that's

also really important right now that the Lebanese forces, Levenes armed forces are basically empowered to defend the country. Hezbola is weakened, but they're not empowered enough to actually defend their country because if they are, then they can't counterbalance against Israel. So like for a long time, they haven't been allowed to have an air force. That's one example. But when people are looking at these issues, they're thinking, oh, Gaza. It's a very small moment of time that they have

to focus on this. And I remember in twenty nineteen, I was at working at the US embassy in Jordan

and we had the quote unquote peace agreement that we were signing with the Palestinians to Jared Kushner was over there setting up how the West Bank would connect to Gaza and there would be this Palestinian state, and looking at it on a map, it was crazy to look at because it's not a state. It's two pieces of land connected by a heavily militarized piece of road. And all this which was you know, that was on paper,

now we're seeing it actually happening. Because this is a long standing strategy of creating facts in the ground since nineteen forty six. It's always been this way, where there will be an idea, a plan like an Oslo one, Oslo two, or nineteen sixty seven, seventy three, nineteen seventy eight, all these times where there have been public agreements between Israel Palestinians that have been mediated by Norway, by the United States by whomever, and if those agreements don't pan out,

Israel just continues moving forward anyway. And actually with Smotrich right now in the West Bank, that's what Smotrich's idea is as Minister, is to slowly do exactly what they said they were going to do back in twenty nineteen, which is to separate Judea and Samaria physically, and that way that people living in the north of the West Bank cannot move to the south of West Bank. Right now, it's difficult for then, but it's not impossible, but the

plan is to make itmpletely impossible. And by doing that, you now create three land masses inside of this eleventeen regions. You have Gaza, you have Judea, and you have Samarias,

three separate physical entities, which further degrades Palestinian authority. And of course there's no more Hamas government in Gaza, so now you have two ungoverned spaces that essentially takes power away from many Palestine leadership and state there of course is to not have any Palestine leadership anywhere, and it's part of Israel only one state solution.

can light the fuse on World War three. First, I mean, kind of back to my original question, I guess, I mean, these countries are violating international norms, true sovereignties, crossing international borders, all this stuff with with actual physical, you know, kinetic attacks. What is this bode for world order in the next couple of decades.

it was okay. Because we felt in our halfs that they that you know it, even if we didn't believe directly in that war, that overall our country was a force for good in the world, right, And that's why we went. And we went for other reasons, yes, for those to left, right und of us, but that was the bottom line that we were proud to wear the

uniform those reasons. And so now it is rather disheartening, to say the least, to find that our country no longer represents those values and sadly sometimes represents opposite values. And you know, Jack, to your point, what happened in Poland anyone who thinks and John knows more about this than I do. But what happened in Poland was not

an accident. It was Russia probing again native defenses. You don't fly nineteen drones deep into Polish air space because of a navigational era, right, And it's and that wasn't aniceolated incident. There would been one hundred and fifty kinetic attacks on European soil. When I say kinetic, I'm including sabotage, including the you know, things like.

Those drones were launched from Belarus. I mean it's you know, so we we should be doing things to Belarus too, but certainly preemptive contact, engagement of the threat, and and that sends a message loud and clear, and we you know, yes we are. We're at the same time we're reinforcing Ukraine's air defense. But that is yeah, we're not even

doing that. You know, the Russians have been you name it, from nor from cables in the North Sea and the Baltic Ocean, I think, you know, cutting fiber optic cables, to attempting to poison water supplies, to planting and scendry devices in warehouses, you know, in the UK it's a sabotage of Ryan metal facilities. In Germany, I mean across the board, it's been they've just there's just been no attempt even to keep things covert. You know, it's almost a joke. And it does seem like there was.

got to a nuclear war. And if you look in Syria, when the Wagner Group moved eastward toward our own positions, we stopped the provocation. Same thing with Russian SU thirty five's flying over Turkish air space from Syria. Turkey stopped that provocation in its tracks and Russia pulled back and didn't try again. And right now what's happening is Russia is seeing that, oh, at my periphery, nobody's stopping me,

so I'm going to expand my periphery. And this actually happened in two thousand and eight with the invasion of Georgia. They're still there in Osuth, Ossetia. They're still issuing Ossetian passports to Georgians living in this occupied space, and same with Abkhazia and even Transnistria and Eastern Moldova, like there are a lot of places where russ has just pushed out the edges to see how far can the edges go,

and they create new edges when they're not stopped. And right now what we're seeing is them attempting to create new edges, and until somebody stops them, those edges will become their own interior. And that's something that has to stop from the NATO perspective. But as we were saying earlier, if Trump is making these ultimatums about unless NATO countries all stop buying Russian oil. We're not going to help. Well, that's not how NATO has written. That's that contract is

very clear about what NATO means. It's about defense, it's not about economics. Economics certainly is a part of defense and vice versa. But that treaty is to help each other period.

modernized its armed forces. In the process of completely modernizing its armed forces, the Baltics are by their own foreign policy statements. You know, if you watch them, they are not, especially Estonia. They don't shrink from out to our out and out confrontation Russia because they are sure that war is coming to them. And they have very better memories, of course of Soviet the Soviet occupation, and in fact

in Ukraine. We had a number of Estonians in the Mozart group and if you look at you know, in the Foreign Legion there, and some of those guys were active duty I'm not lying, active duty Estonian soldiers taking leave of absence, and that government was kind of turning a blind eye, you not. Yeah, that's no exaggeration because they knew that they were next. So I think you're seeing a lot of that the UK, of course, you know, even under labor, government is all in on. That's the

ironic thing. I mean, you know that you've got essentially a socialist government in the UK, and yet they are all in on defending Ukraine against the Russian threat, and yet we are we have backpedal. So I'm just looking for silver linings and all of this, I guess, Jack, because that's my role.

that's common sense, it's aggressive act. You know, when, as John has pointed out, the Russians, we're always you know, there's this there's this this political dynamic within the United States that you hear this mantra about escalation and we're being dragged into World War three, which is absolute, absolute bullshit. The Russians don't escalate when you confront them. They escalate when you back down, and that anyone who thinks otherwise

just isn't reading recent history or twentieth century history. And so that's what we should be doing, just like I think, you know, the way to drive negotiations and to come

to a ceasefire isn't to be nice, to poot and lay out the red carpet, and it's to say, hey, buddy, these are the repercussions if you don't. We're all in, and we're going to fast track Ukraine into NATO, and we are going to ramp up support for NATO in a way that you cannot imagine. And it's not going to be you know, I mean support for the Ukraine in a way that you kind of Mentionine.

How does that explain to me what a one trillion dollar defense budget means when you're not focusing on the actual people who are the as close peer to peer competitors as we have.

especially synthetic drugs like pentanila. And even back in twenty fourteen, I was in Southeast Asia and we were working on an issue over there where metham vetamine precursors were coming out of India and China, because at the time there were only three factories in the world that produced the ephedrine that was used in metham vetamine. One of them was in India and two of them were in China.

This was like more than ten years ago, and India agreed at the time to police that, which then meant China was the only one still selling them to cartels. As you were saying, Jack, like, why why aren't we stopping the Chinese precursor points because that would cut off the supply of synthetics to Mexico and other states in the southern South America. But instead we're just kind of swatting at the end at the later on down the road people that are just making money off this thing

that came to them from somewhere else. I think that's very ignorant, to put it bluntly, to be hitting this you know seller who got it from somewhere else and the people before them got it from somewhere else. Is there's a long supply chain, just like any economy, and instead of chaling on that supply chain.

it's not a concern of where does that money come from. It's more about how do we keep up the pretense of our country rapidly modernizing.

Instead it's we need to do something about making as much money as possible right now so that our economy doesn't look like it's in shambles, because once it's in shambles and the whole thing we've been saying, the potentkan village we've been building will collapse, and they don't want that to happen.

who grew up in Hong Kong. But you know, if you look back at I'm reading a book right now, which I do occasionally by a guy who is New York Times correspondent in Beijing, happened to be there on ninety eleven, you know, people that were cheering what was happening. And so I don't think I don't think anyone in China, you know, I think they regard fentonol and drugs as being a uniquely American problem because of our rather what's the word keying culture and our self absorption and all

of these things. And so it's, yes, certainly not their problem, and it's something that we're trying to blame on the rest of the world. So we'd guess from their viewpoint, from our viewpoint, you know, I I think that yes,

one can overplay the military threat that China poses to the United States. But that's not the problem. The problem is the fact that there are areas of potential Chinese expansion that do not align with our national interests, and so simply pivoting away from Asia, not that we ever really pivoted towards agent, but pivoting away can only be a negative thing. I mean, I forget what percentage of the world's economy, of the world's trade has to do

with agent, but it's a significant amount. Whether or not you care about the future of Taiwan, there are issues there that go deeper than just defensive territory. They have to do with the global economy. They have to do again with the credibility of the United States, and so turning away from that and can only be negative. And you know it's not as though, I mean, we've got

the largest, most powerful military in the world. So the either The last point on this, I would say is if we're focusing on our domestic borders, really, I mean, it's like, isn't isn't that a little bit of overkill? Why not protect our national interest overseas because there's no such thing. I mean, this viewpoint that this kind of isolation is viewpoint that there is United States and then

there's some cut off line somewhere just offshore or south or north of our borders, and that we don't have to worry about anything beyond that is it was archaic in the nineteenth century and I just don't understand it now.

vote in their favor. Domestically in the Solomon Islands, Sogavare was elected, who is anti US, He's pro China, and China's been doing this all over the South China are the different small countries around there gaining support for recognizing China instead of Taiwan. So that's happening South America. They're speaking with governments there and militaries there. They're bringing Chinese

police to train domestic police in those countries. This is a perfect textbook opportunity for the US to use security cooperation as an instrument of military power, a positive one that actually empowers people and shows those people what the US can do for you, and then what you can do for yourself once we've worked ourselves out of a job,

because that's the point of security cooperation. And it worked in Colombia and it can work throughout South America, especially this is such a close area to the United States, as you're saying, Andy, like our borders are secured by

our partners. That's how it should be, especially in Mexico. Mexico should be one of our greatest security cooperation partners, and instead we're looking at it as this enemy state, a rogue state with rogue provinces that are the biggest threat to the US right now, which is ludicrous.

pretty horrific regime. But the point is that we moved it in the right direction and helped counter a counterinsurgency without pouring troops into that. And we don't pay enough attention to that. Everyone's fixated in rock in Afghanistan. But when it comes to foreign policy, pivoting here or that doesn't mean massive basin and it doesn't have to be all for deployed troops, but it does mean it does mean persistent presence. But that persistent presence could be a

very light touch. And I know, you know, Jack and I are probably a little jaded and not jaded but biased in this. But special operations forces are a great example. Marines are a great example too, Uh, the Army, the Army s FA brigades. Conceptually we're a great example, but of course they've been done away with, you know, so we don't seem to be progressing and learning these lessons.

of few and fall between.

he was the one telling the story about the the where the plane was hijacked on the Toomac and they send the guy out to the s A S guy out to empty the empty the shitter and he pressed the wrong button.

I don't know. My guess, well, Jack's guess is like that some crotchety old you know, command sergeant majors and stuff are busting the balls of the former Delta guys and they are now in turn telling these guys to like, oh maybe can you take it down for me? So it's not you know, we're not up there, like they're not breaking up seconds for the most part tame interviews. We just want to say right here, right now, that

Teamhouse will fucking not be doing that ever. Like I don't care if Sergeant's Slaughter calls my phone, I don't give a fuck. Uh, that's not going to happen ever. Now, Yeah, it's going to happen. Bro.

to share, but I'll tell you what it's about. It's an email that went out from Delta Force's Public Affairs officer with comments from the unit CSM. And you know, obvious the commander had to be in the mix somewhere in that. But so the PAO sent this email out to all of what they call veteran unit members or

former unit members like fums. So it goes out to all of them, and basically it was admonishing them to stop doing podcasts and reiterating that they do not support doing podcasts, they do not support guys writing books, they do not support guys telling their stories on whatever medium it may be. And then you know the kind of boiler plate, you know, preamble, national security secrets, blah blah

blah blah, blah, and so that went out. And the interesting thing about that email was, I mean, they're within their rights, I think, to remind people of classification and say don't break classification. I get that part. But the PAO went further and encouraged former unit members to socially shame and scold their teammates. Yes, it said call them

out on social media. That's in the email, like that I have, and that's pretty wild, Like, why is an army PAO telling private citizens to socially shame on social media other private citizens. That's pretty wild to me and to my mind, Uh, steps across some mounds. You know, I'm out of the military. The military can inbox me as much as they want. I don't work for them, sorry, bro, Like, I'm out now.

Tim Kennedy.

away his time, as I understand it. So I think probably there are there are senior leaders in the unit that got upset that all this stuff is playing out publicly. And I will also say the same thing that I said on Seth Harp's interview, because I've had these conversations with people. The thing that Jaysok in Delta Force fears, probably more than anything, is increased oversight. They absolutely do not want the United States government putting more oversight on them.

They don't want legislation. They absolutely don't want more legislation coming in because as things are like, the oversight on Jaysock is fairly light. They have a lot of freedom to do the things that they want to do. And there are fears that this sort of like public controversies that like Vetbro podcast circuit, is going to have an influence on you know, people's perceptions and ultimately on lawmakers' perceptions, and they start to feel, hey, this unit's out of control.

We need to get this under control.

up to that. And this isn't a thing like where a federal judge is sending out orders to podcasters like take down notices like you will be in contempt of court if you do this. I don't think there's any premise that they, you know, any law that allows them to do that because of the constitutional freedoms we have, So all they can do is kind of like threaten people, and you kind of have to. You have to stand firm against that kind of stuff.

to make a decision. But if there's a legitimate national security issue, I will consider removing that part of the interview.

At the time, it was you know, I felt like no one had more right to criticize what was going on in Ukraine and when I was risking my life every day in Ukraine for the Ukrainian cause. But my point was simply, hey, I want to be on the right, on the side of good, and there are things that the Ukrainians have to clean up too, and in order to be able to point the finger out the Russian So that was that was the gist of what I

was saying. And actually Zelenski agreed with me, because he said much the same thing two days later, but without the death threats presumably, but unbelievable. I mean, that was the the spin offs from that or the like videos that went more viral than the Team Mouse video with just clips of me was saying.

Force on the Unknown Chapters of Special Forces History. That link will be in the description as well. I need to write a book. Everyone's got a books here? The fuck? Jack?