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at patreon dot com slash the Teamhouse. Hello everyone, Welcome to another episode of Eyes on, a reasonably well informed discussion of geo political events and about the time it takes you to pet, drive to work, or whatever else it takes you to do. In thirty minutes or so. I'm Andy Milburn for MA Marine Infantry and Special Operations officer now toiling for the team House d Over to you. Thanks. Andy. Yeah, really excited about this one.
It's kind of a continuation from our last episodes, which I'd love for everyone to check out if they haven't about our hits on, you know, the IRGC and their proxies in Syria and Iraq, and we're gonna touch on like the continued strikes on the Houthis and Yemen, and I think talk a little bit more about a broader sense of like, you know, deterrence. And because I've had this, I've been reading it like almost every day.
There are some folks on Twitter and Instagram who talk about deterrence and I don't even know exactly what it means in terms of like deterring what's going on, because it doesn't seem, you know, we got the strongest military in the world by a lot, and it doesn't seem we don't seem to be deterring much. No, that's a that's a great point and a great question. Without making it a war college class, I've dive into and I'll give you a you know, kind of a five minute answer on that and hopefully make
it entertaining. But backtrack. Yes, So the Department of Defense just released the BDA, that's battle damage Assessment on Twitter for the attacks in let me see, it was in Iraq. Actually it was all together attacks Iraq, Syria and in Yemen. Okay, so they report eighty This must be just Iraq and Syrious. Sorry about this because they're talking about eighty five targets. Eighty of eighty five targets have suffered serious damage or were totally destroyed. Casualties
of militia members expected to be around fifty to sixty. Okay, We've got to ask ourselves, right, how come those fifty to sixty dudes did not get the word after a week of publicly telegraphing that we were coming. Less surprising, no members of the IRGC or Iranian nationals were killed. Okay,
that was official DD release. Certainly not in the strikes. Interestingly enough, though not not widely reported, but one of a senior Iran backed figure within the MILITIASNR G L Kabi, was assassinated by unknown gunmen in Mason, Iraq. Okay, coincidence, I don't know, totally don't I'm not right, But it's kind of interesting that, Yeah, we didn't kill any guys in the strikes, but this one dude did disappear, you know. But that's kind of a distraction, I think, and he can I cut in.
What does I r g L mean? Sorry this for me because I'm a dumb No, I I r g C. Right, he was an actual I r GC guy. Okay, no, no, no, he was uh actually no, good good point, he was not he was he was a rocky, he was the but he was a senior PMC member. Noticed in the strikes, no senior PMC members were killed. Yeah, you know, so I think it was mostly kind of remember when we we bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade and killed if you know, I mean killed essentially the
teening stuff. Yeah, I'm not saying that that's what happened here, but certainly, you know, you wonder about these guys. Maybe they would provided you know, maybe that was their resume line. B d A, that's that's what that's your wrong anyway, Yeah, I digress. My point is it's a distraction because we didn't kill any senior members of the Islamic Revolution srik on core all right, I'm not saying, you know, I'm not you know me. I mean, I'm not saying never, never, extolling killing
for the sake of killing. But but it's hard to know how we can detract from capability without removing the guys who are stly involved in the transfer of knowledge, you know, technical know how. So yeah, and yeah, when you look at the list of stuff destroyed, there's that dramatic, dramatic footage of the stuff cooking off in ourchime, you know. I mean that whole area though, as is Yemen is just one giant ordinance dump, and it's quite easy to have left some order AMMO in a warehouse to give some
some dramatic effect. So anyway, yeah, I mean I don't and I'm getting somewhere on this day. I'm not just diminishing the strikes by any means I am, but I'm saying that's my job. I'll do it. Yeah, maybe that's a wider picture, but you know, there's it's a tremendously
difficult task. I mean, we're trying to reduce capability in an area where there is just a massive amount of ordinate so they're only reliant on the Iranians for certain key components, all right, for the missiles to come through, and it's very and these are relatively small components and quite easy to smuggle.
So it's not the yes, we are destroying things, you know, and it looks great on video, But as far as removing capability or even disabling the Iranians ability or rather these properci's ability to act for even for a period of time, it's not. You know, I don't think I don't think we're achieving it. Okay, So anyway, to your so it doesn't look like we're achieving deterrence, I'm going to come back to that specific question. But an answer to yours, I can't remember the War College definition, and
I have an abhorrence of people who do read things out from doctrine. But it's but deterrence is very simply, you know, it's a practice of discouraging or restraining someone in world politics that's usually a nation state from taking unwanted actions, okay, And it involves an effort to stop or prevent an action, as opposed to making someone or trying to make a state do something, which is compellants, all right, which is something different. Okay, this is
more than this is slightly more than semantics. Okay, and because they there's really when we talk about deterrence, you may say, in fact, they should have primed you to say this, Hey, Andy, how are we deterring after the fact? Okay? And a lot of people get confused by
this. You know, something happens, we're really responding, and you'll see the military comes up with terms like flexible deterrent option and flexible deterrent response, but they essentially they come down to the same thing as far as objective. Because if you are responding and the way that we are, our intent is to threaten escalation. Right, We're not simply punishing. The implication is, hey, we will do this and worse if you continue. All right,
So response to terrence all wrapped into one. It's meaningless to distinguish between the two. And these packages that the military puts together involve various options for the president to decide between. You know, it's just like a sushi menu.
All right. What's interesting now, like deterrence by punishment, the other de terrence, but denial, that's when you put a force, you know, you prevent you you make the enemy's objective less attainable, all right, and it might be you know, sticking US troops in Poland or all the Baltic states, you know, and so they would be in the path of a Russian invading force, which makes it less likely that the Russians are going to
want to invade. Blah blah blah. The terrance by punishment historically is less effective. And then when I say historically the last three decades, okay, but we United States use the term to terrence all the time, and it is deeply embedded in our national security strategy. You know, in Europe, it's the basis of our containment of Russian adventurism, as well as actions in the Gray Zone. You know. Of course, in Korea it's you know, it's policy to de tear North Korea, not just from invading, but
just further provocations. And then throughout Asia, of course we're trying to deter Chinese belligerents and Gray zone encroachment on areas subject to territorial disputes. So, you know, de terrence is it when when it comes to US, I would argue, I'll tell you what, you know, when the terrence fails, it's because one of the key components is missing. This is not from
doctrine. But you know, one of the one of the things that I think we United States miss, and it's perhaps the most important aspect of deterrence, is this critical fact, and it is the perception of the potential aggressor. In other words, it is how that guy views the world that matters, not not the actual prospects of success I'm sorry, not yeah, not actual prospects of victory, of his success or any other objective measurement. So
we've got to be careful not mirror imaging. Wow, this would really hurt us. Imagine, it's really hurting the Iranian regime, you know. And and we've seen the terreance go awhyd with Putin too, because we tend to mirror image and we haven't tried to really understand our adversary. So, you know, any any strategy to prevent aggression, you've got to understand your enemy. You know, his interest, motives, his imperatives. Because because when
when an aggressor acts, it's not it's usually not war opportunism. He's answering some other need. It may be domestic, but it's an immediate need. We need to understand that need and maybe find in some other way of delivering it to him, you know. And the last part so so yes, you've got to you know, you've you've got to step back from your ego, and you've got to look at things from from the enemy's perspective, and
you've got to take a combined arms approach. Okay, or you know, a lot of our military guys will it will understand what I mean about by this. What I mean is that when you engage the enemy with a weapon, you don't want to just engage them with one weapon. You want to engagement with a weapon that forces him to do something that makes him vulnerable to another weapon. Classic cases, you know, direct fire weapons and indirect fire
weapons. Okay, same thing applies to economic sanctions, all right. By imposing one sanction making them hurt there, you drive them in another area where you can hurt him even more, which means that you can't compartmentalize dime or PERMISSI. All right. Dime is diplomatic, information, military, economic. You know, it's a way that we separate all the elements of national power.
I'm saying when we approach the terrence, we've got to act as who all of this has to be fully integrated and that is actually why you hear the term integrated de terrence as a buzzword. I would argue, yes, we're very good at using that term. We're less effective than actually doing it. You know, I'll give you that's a fair assessment. Yeah, okay, So the other thing we do, you know what I mean? And
I guess another principle, I'm just making this stuff up. But you can't forget the carrot, all right, you know, I mean we talk about karts stick. You can't just totally forget about that. Preventing aggression, it's not all about making threats. It's also about offering assurances. All right. Can you believe that's a marine saying that? But it is. You know,
you've got to leave him an open door. You've got to leave him a face saving exit that's going to make him look good to his domestic audience. And if you can get it enable him to achieve his objectives otherwise, but in a way that doesn't hurt your interest, then by all means, go ahead and do so. This is what I mean about not standing on ego. But it again, it involves very intensive strategic communication. That's another aspect where we often fall short. With the terrence. Okay, it's everything
is about Owaii. Ask me WHATAI stands for? Already know? Do you already know from the team house? What does it mean? Operations in the information environment. I'm very careful about acronyms, so I now never try and spell out acronyms more than three letters after my dreadful debacle with AOB But yeah, so operations in the information environment, Okay, We've got to think about kinetic actions relationship to information as supporting and supported, Okay, which means you
know, typically we say, yeah, information operations support kinetic actions. But no, I mean we have to think of military actions supporting operations in the information environment. Right, So you know, moving a US brigade to Estonia, A brigade is not going to do anything against Russian advance, but it's a it's a significant you know, military although military terily negligible, Uh, it is a significant strategic right because like, why would the Russians wipe out
a brigade? Yeah and start a Yeah, it's a it's a trip line. I mean, it's early morning, whatever you want to call it. But the point is it's it's an escalatory. You're pushing you're you're pushing uh, Russia can't can't threaten the Baltic States, for instance, without under war with the United States. Yes, everyone may know that conceptually, but but by putting your blood on the line, you are really you know, you're
literally putting skin in the game and demonstrating that. Okay, which no, yeah, no worries in terms of like what's going on now if Iraq Iran in their proxies and cuts force, basically running amok in the region, and I would argue, asserting, uh a lot of dominance. What do we docifically there to deter them from, like, are trying to get them to reel their proxies in? Ah? Yeah, So persuade who do you because we get into the crux of the problem here. I mean, I guess
it's Iran persuade wrong, Okay, what do I know? People don't want to talk about like you know, people are like you know, even when you when you hear everyone speaking, okay, it's always Iran back to It's like a buzzword that people Well, let me say, let me wrap up, let me wrap up very quickly, your excellent question about the terrence.
Okay, So because it leads into an answer to your next question. So, so, successful deterrence typically involves combination of taking, uh, you know, these combined arms actions, taking the aggressive motivations, seriously understanding them, being clear clear about your intent what you want to you know, the the aggressive to do. So all of those things, and it's you know,
think about the times it has worked. We've done all those things, and it's really you know, worked most famously in the longest period of time in Korea since nineteen fifty three and during the Cold War. All right, but it's not working here. Okay, why isn't working here? One one answer? Maybe And this is not me, you know, this is a US intelligence officials. I thought I'd never use that term, but so so,
you know, it's semi official. They assessed that Iran does not exercise full control over the proxy and part of militia groups that are attacking US personnel, so that by that it you know, neither the huthis nor all the constellation of Iranian backed militia groups in Iraq are taking their orders directly from the head of Kotzwass. And there's probably a combination of factors. Okay, the kind of the cult of personality of Sulimani was able to exert these leaders is gone
Ghan. He's a different type of individual. And you know, the kids have grown up, they're ready to leave home. They have been armed to a level of sophistication that was, you know, it just couldn't be imagined five years ago. And I mean, look at the hoothis. The hoothis for God's sake. I mean, are disabling oil refineries and bringing and you know, taking action that have global reverberations far beyond the the Babe Mandebb and
Iran cannot control it anymore. That's that's pretty scary, right, you know. And and and so the attacks continue, I mean twice into Syria at Basis mission, you know, Mission support site Euphrates. Are you the picture
the picture of our militia attacks on US base is in the chat. I always find it helpful to see a map, but you'll see there that the attacks have been mostly focused on the Middle Euphrates Valley, certainly in this last week to include an attack on on the Alma oil fields, well on a I'm sorry, on a combat outpost and the oil fields which killed seven members of the Syrian Democratic Forces. The SDF, who are our partners and fighting
the Islamic Islamic State. No US casualties in that, So it does appear bottom line, as though the Iranians have lost control of their proxies in there. But you know, there's a lot of bluster going on too. They're not going to admit that, and they're issuing. You know, they issued a warning yesterday, right, warning the States against attacking their two surveillance ships,
the Bashad and the Savies. So you know, they what makes it worse is they're on the posturing platform two and I'm not going to admit that that. They can't. You know, they can't lose the train, the train. The train has left the station. Yeah, they can't lose face at home, right, they still have to deal with their own internal politics and stuff like that. Still about regime security at the end of the day for them, Yeah, one hundred one hundred percent. And and while everything
continues. You know, we haven't we haven't talked about Gaza, and I'm not going to you know, get into that topic today. But but as you know, I've I've been quite I've got a contract to write a book about about it. And in fact we're going to be doing a couple of episodes from from there towards the end of this month, and so you know, and and I'll i'll least be able to address the military campaign in more
detailed there but elsewhere, you know, in the Middle East. So while all this is going on, our adversaries are certainly certainly exploiting our absence or our weaknesses. I can't remember if I already talked to you about this, d but it doesn't matter. We're talking with the audience now. But the chairman, all right of the Popular Iraqi Popular Mobilization Committee, the PMC and rock position. Remember I spoke about him on I spoke about him last week.
Yeah, he's he was involved allegedly in the US on the attack on the US embassy in twenty nineteen. Well, he met this week with the Russian Ambassador to Iraq Krusher chef and met this week in Bagdad, and they talked about exchanging experiences, mutual yeah, and even mutual training. Okay, so who knows. Yeah, you know, I mean how the Russians love
having these PMC literally PMCs. Now they've gone now I mean potential right there, influence in in Iraq that's I thought that was fairly, fairly notable. And at the same time, the Chinese visited as Beka Stan this week. You know, we've we us have been courting as bekas Stan well, I mean obviously since ninety eleven, but recently among the Stans, you know, as Bekastan has been one that we've been working with most closely. Chinese we
can launch out of right well number of reasons. I mean it's politically, yes, it's a I mean, it's a very it's a really viable position. It became increasingly important after we pulled around Afghanistan. Ah, and you know, we provide I've been there a few times. That ship's beautiful country, and we provide soft support training their self military, which has become a
little dodgy at times ahead of their special operations. Guy's a guy we trained left to join the Islamic State. So yeah, these things are always tough to manage. And here we are now the Chinese have signed or signed an agreement, a strategic agreement and all weather comprehensive strategic partnership. So I was looking for exactly what it was all weather. Yeah, So the only other
country in the region who's part of this all weather agreement is Pakistan. Okay, So I mean it's a separate bilateral agreement, but it's the only other country that China has has called an all weather ally. So Bekistan all weather ally to China, fair weather friend in the United States. So is that that Pakistan they chose to do that, right, China aligning with Pakistan is
to like kind of give it to India a bit. I mean, it's a little bit out of like what we're talking about, but that's my assumption, you know, say it again. So the reason, the reasoning why China has done that all weather strategic partnership with Pakistan is to deter or, for lack of a better word, India's like power in the region. Yeah, I mean China and Pakistan have always had close relationship is not quite the term, but it's a it's kind of a mutually supportive relationship. Yes,
they've had you know, they've gone at it. I mean, they've had a arguments over the various things over the years. But you know, is your way of China and India have literally come to blows. Yeah, have caused you know, I mean, have killed each other's soldiers several times. In the last year, often in these extraordinary unarmed brawls, which which both
sides seem to agree doesn't doesn't cross any red lines. But yeah, I mean, certainly Pakistan's within China's closer, within China's sphere of influence, and yeah, they both have a lot of mutual a lot of interests in Afghanistan. And those interests, of course are not necessarily ours. Sure of course.
Hey like hey, last thing though, the I like this from oddly enough from a dude in Tel Aviv who you know, commented about the fact that that most that most American, even US military officials privately saying that the capabilities of who these have not been significantly degraded by the campaign. And this this researcher, intel avised military researchers says, you taking on the hoofis is like fighting fog, you know. Interesting. I mean the descriptions the same
thing about hamas in Gaza. So no, no new lessons here. But what's what what will make progress like like, is it more of a covert thing? Is it more I don't know, drones or you know, I don't know what strikes. Strikes can be immensely effective, but they have to be, you know, if you want them to have military effect, and
by that I mean take away capability. Obviously you can't telegraph them, okay, absolutely, and uh and and they you know, although thank god we got away from a traditional warfare and adding up a number of people killed. But you do, you do have to take off the board the guys with the expertise who cannot be replaced, right, not the fifty or sixty guys who are too dumb to have forgot the word that the US were coming. Right, And it's got to be combined with other things, to include working
with partners on the ground. You know, you can't you can't do all this remotely. You've got to build relationships on the ground too. And there's got to be a carrot. Remember that, you know, I mentioned that we've got to start thinking how do we offer the who he's a carrot? How do we provide them an incentive because we can't deter them? Yeah, I mean what's going to deter them. They're not scared of particularly scared of
death. They've been fighting all their lives. I mean, they're going to keep shooting stuff until they stopped having stuff the shoes, So let me ask you something like in terms for like the talking heads are like the opinion makers on Twitter, and no less of that. That's what we are leader right, absolutely, but like the thought leaders, I mean it, I don't think that's going to brief so well, like offering the hohothi's, well that
looks some kind Well that's the thing. Well that's the thing, you know, But posturing and ego just don't belong into your politics. And yes, of course we played to a domestic audience. But at the same time, ultimately our criteria for success are that shipping is allowed to proceed unimpeded, you know, and that stability is restored. And if the Houthi's get something in that process that they wanted, yes, people can say oh, we gave in, or it can just you know, it's it's just a sensible approach.
Otherwise we're going to be ten, fifteen, twenty years from now. Think about the cost in terms of the US defense budget. You know, just merchant ships cannot defend themselves against these missiles. There is no way you cannot. You cannot design a system that is going to be economically viable. The cost of these ships having to choose now between taking war insurance or going
the long way round. The Cape is driving global costs up, all right, And it doesn't matter if your supply chain isn't directly affected by the Red Sea. Other supply chains that are interrelated probably are. It affects every country in the world tremendous. So, you know, do we want to salvage our sense of being America that strong and just you know, keep keep dropping bombs until literally we have flattened Yemen. Or do we take a little more
intelligent approach? Yeah, you would think, you know, taking the intelligence and you know, I'm listen, I'm all about killing the enemy, you know that. And I'm saying you've got a throwing You've got to put an incentive in there too, by all means scare the crap out of it, but do it by going after his capabilities, hurting him, not not we'll be doing right now, which is kind of pinging. Yeah, absolutely, thinking well the that's probably I lose track of time here, but I think
you're keeping us under there. I have a question. I have one question about Okay, well, since you've asked the question in terms of the Red Sea, we'll be enjoying talking to me. So that's a good sign.
No, I am yeah, this is the best. So in terms of like the issues in the Red Sea with the Houthis and stuff like that, does it make sense to bring in a more broader coalition not just the UK because if it, I mean, it seems to affect the europe right away in the short medium term and then the rest of the world in the long term. Yeah, where's France, where's Italy? Where are the other NATO countries? Well, where's Egypt too, Like, why is in Egypt doing
anything? Yeah? Well, there are a number of coalition countries involved in fact that there's a coalition Task Force. And I can't tell you all the countries that are involved in it, but I want to say that it it it either falls under the direction of H under nabsent direction or but but at least is coordinated with Nabsent And what's n I'm sorry, it's Naval Commands Central so what naval forces and Middle least. But yes, there is a coalition
task force. It is it has largely and again you know, I know I'll be torn up if I'm wrong on this, but it's largely too date being focused on the Somali piracy problem. But the but the but there's there's crossover membership or an interest obviously in the Red Sea. So yes, coalition efforts are there are coalition coalition efforts underway. But you know, escorting ships is it's it's an incredibly time intensive and expensive proposition, you know, escorting
ships. It's not like the sycon Moore wall where you're traveling along and conboy you're covering them with your at offense assets, right, which don't come cheap. Yeah, I mean, look at you know the so the US canne is shot down fourteen drones, all right, right, an SM two missile Okay, is you know I want to say two million dollars? I know it's in the millions, all right, So you know, supposedly say it
just fired fourteen missiles. I mean we're talking twenty eight million dollars. Yeah, it's not exactly cost effective, right term solution probably eight you know, don't even add up to a million dollars. Yeah, So it's just not the way we're doing things right now. Is neither is just not cost effective and it's not militarily effective. Look I'm not pretending to be smart here. Look I was part of the problem. I'm just saying, it's a hard
it's hard to find a solution. So please think I'm sitting here criticizing the guys who are just like me, who are trying to figure out a way to curb the thread and do all these things without bringing the United States into war. It's a tremendously hard problem. Yeah, it's an impossible needle to thread. You know, it's tough, but not impossible, but it's very difficult. Okay, but you know that's always anyway, No, absolutely, And I just want to mention, I know, like you know, you've
served that. You know, Jack and Dave have served. Everybody who's on the show served, and like a lot of the folks that watch the show are veterans. Having said that, I mean, and it's not their fault at all. The escapade in Iraq is mainly to blame for Iran filling that power vacuum in the region. Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine that there's anyone out there who still thinks that invading Iraq was a good idea from
the point of view of Unite US interest. I mean, if there is, we welcome of course, because we welcome alternate views, but it yeah, I you know I would tend to agree. Hey, you know before we sign off them when we talk about the effect that because sadly, because of our intervention we've seen, you know, we've left a bad taste as we leave for obvious reasons in Afghanistan and now in Iraq, for reasons that
are partly not our fault but partly are. To be fair, you know, we've kind of said we kind of allowed those conditions to come to fruition extremists or politicians and power in Iraq who do not like us, know, and not talking about influencing elections. I'm just saying, turn we turned a blind eye for a long time to kind of the way the sheer power base
was continuing to gather power there and ignoring our ignoring our advice. Hey, So anyway, on the last thing, on a bright note, that picture and chat and throw it up. That's as we talk about our adversaries and non aligned country is all kind of making plans for a while in which United
States doesn't dominate quite the same way it has to date. And that photograph is of an Iranian military delegation to read, yes, indeed, ladies, and gentlemen and an Iranian military delegation to reacd unprecedented certainly in our lifetimes, I believe, and went very nicely apparently, So that's probably not I mean, that's not something that the Saudis made all that they did put that picture out on Twitter. But you see what I'm saying. You know, there's
no one. There's no one. Very few countries aside from our traditional friends and European friends, are saying, oh, yeah, you know, good point. We we do. We should side with the United States because you still do represent democracy and liberal Western values et cetera, et cetera. That is so yeah, so he even said, yeah, sorry, even Saudi Arabia buddying up with Iran. Let's say we did pull out of the Red
Sea in the Middle East, and the who he's keep going there. You know, eventually that peace dealer, that cease fire with Saudi arab is going to end. Let's say we stopped selling weapons like what happens when they're there's no free maritime travel in the Red Seat because we're not there. No. I mean I get it though, D because but everyone knows we're not going
to do that, because ultimately global trade is an orange. I mean, the free free flow of commerce and global trade is definitely rock solid within our interests. In fact, you know, we've we're the one country that has so far not disappeared into a you know, even a moderate recession. I mean, we're still an economic powerhouse. We dominate the world in that sense, very much so. And so we more than anyone, stand again or lose by what happens to global trade. And I think some people, the
isolationists, forget that. Yeah, not for sure. It's just interesting, like, yeah, you know, the Saudi Arabia flirting with Iran, or flirting with or Iraq flirting with the Russian delegation. It's like, at the end of the day, it's like, oh, pay attention to us. It's like, you know, they just it's like a cry for attention from them. I don't know, I think this is. I think it's these are deliberate, long term decisions based on an assessment of the of America's role
in in the world. You know, I don't I'm not hopefully sounding like a you know, just banging extremists here, but yes, that is I think that is clearly evident. I mean, there's many other factors in play
too, you know. But so even though we may think of the world as been as as fitting into certain patterns post you know, post Cobal right with you know, kind of the axis of whatever you want to call it, the actually resistance on the access of of evil or of just you know, the the angry men you know, North Korea, Russia, China, Iran, but they yeah, I mean absolutely the threat that it's not that any of them can supplant the United States, but they can certainly undermine the
US's ability to defend its own interests. And that's what's happening. Yeah, I think we need to look at it like a market share of like any kind of market like if as long as we have the dominating share of it, like we're okay, first view. I think that's the way to look at it. That's a that's a great that's a great comment. Hey be for we Yeah, well, i mean we've got yes, absolutely, Hey, we've got we've got to get we've got to get our email or something.
I mean, I'm sorry, I think for questions put up because someone sent me some really cool comments from last Yeah, and it shows to calm I'll aggregate some of the questions and we'll answer him at the tailor under Hey, I got this all right. I thought it's by a drone drone dude in in uh in Ukraine. I know him, in fact, he worked for me, all right, so I know this sounds like a team audience, but we don't have a you know, we have to use my contact
info until we get one. Anyway, he said, if we assume similar employment in Ukraine as in Ukraine, all right, when we were we were out there. It seems the the shah head is designed such that if even with GPS, even with the jammer, it can still it can revert to inertial navigation, which makes makes it jam resistant. So unless he operated, this is this is my friend writing, So unless you operate, a mission planner had access to US flight plans and knew where when to program the shah
heads so it would follow the US drone. It seems unlikely or was a crazy coincidence and timing, or they employed a different type of drone with a pilot fully in control during a flight and they had been observing US drone flights from the base. And then you know on my comment about Stinger, Yeah, correct, it hasn't shut down a drone. Neither has the Avenger and
neither has the Sea Ram. But this guy outing of his first name is A he's a Stinger officer by background, so of course he's almost lost his friendship over that comment. But he does says say Stinger and theory should actually be very effective against shy Head type drones, although not cost effective for the reason they just said. But it would require a Stinger team ready to stand by receiving queuing from the sensor or at least doing their own visual searching and
scanning. And you know, those of you who are air defense bubs and bore people at cocktail parties queuing as you know that they're being able to queue to shoot or sort with man pads, setting setting that up at their tactical level is always a challenge and so these things are difficult. Anyway, time about time to sign out at not going on the world. Okay, everyone, thanks again for listening to this episode of Eyes On. You can email
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