SEAL Team 6 Operator | Trey Lindsey | Ep. 349

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Hey everyone, welcome to episode three hundred and forty nine of The Team House. I'm Jack Murphy on tonight with our guest Trey Lindsay. Trey served in the Navy, first in law enforcement before he went over to Seal Team four and then Seal Team six. Served on deployments around the world, and now works as a training organization and knife company involved in law enforcement. And also he's the guy that I end up working for once or twice a year, So that's how we know each other and

I appreciate it. Brother. Thanks thanks again for having me on.

Yeah, man, So start at the beginning.

Tell us a little bit about how you grew up and how that took you towards the Navy.

No, absolutely so.

I grew up in a small town in rural northeast Missouri called Cannon's about two hours north of Saint Louis, and I joined the Navy nine days out of high

And so you went in first, you know, before special operations. Who went as a Navy police officer? I mean, tell us about that.

Yeah, so again I wanted to be a seal, but I guess I always like kind of joke now that my recruiter got me pretty good. So after nine to eleven, mastered arm rate the Navy cops. They were like a critical source rating. So I had to go to my first duty station for a year before I was able

Well, tell us about what that you know profession actually entailed that you did for a year before I go into the teams.

Yeah, so it was a very heavy and physical security. So obviously, you know nine to eleven had already happened. I joined in you know, two thousand and two, you know, right out of high school. So Afghanistan was already underway, but it was racked and not you know, the invasion I racked and happened till March of two thousand and three.

So little known fact.

I think the majority of the initial Shakhanah ordinance that was that was dropped during the initial initial push initial invasion actually came from one of the one of the duty stations I was in physical security of, you know, at the time, in the in the southwestern Pacific.

So again it was.

Just kind of multiple, uh, you know, multiple of shifts. You know, we were pulling you know, constantly when they were bringing ordinance to the aircraft, you know, to the some of the aircraft of the Air Force base, but also on some of the carrier battle groups that were pulling into port. They would pretty much you know, have all these weapons systems stockpiled and they would uh they

So very heavy and physical security.

Uh, some you know law enforcement act aspect of things you still have, you know, you know, things you're dealing with on base. But really was you know a little different than your typical law enforcement job you know in the in the civilian world that you know, the men and women you know, who are.

Serving the communities are sworn to protect, have to deal with.

Yeah, I mean it's super important stuff when you're talking about these huge ordnance facilities and we're all aware now of some of these like sabotage campaigns that are across Europe and you get one bad actor in there and the whole thing goes up.

Yeah, no, exactly exactly, So yeah, very very strategic you know location.

And so you get a taste for Navy life here. But your dream since reading Rogue Warrior is still the seal teams absolutely tell us about you know, getting into Buds and kind of that experience.

Yeah, so I was fortunate enough where I was at there was actually a Naval Special Warfare unit located over there, so I was able to do all my screen you know testing and like a a little bit of an interview. It really wasn't too terribly much of one to go to BUDS initially, but was able to get on my paperwork squat away passive PT test initially to get my package, and then when I got orders, I did one more

How'd that treat you?

I mean, the.

Buds has definitely experience where no one wants everyonets to relive it again.

So I mean, looking at it, you know as a whole, was just completely overwhelming.

But when I teach a lot of like the leadership

So okay, before we move on, favorite Bud story.

Oh gosh.

So yeah, one of the uh one of the with the leadership and team building stuff I'm doing now. So I had this acronym, uh you know, I kind of you know, I heard one evening when I was on third phase. It's called fitfo It's saying spans for figure it you know you know what out you know, fit

And cranberry juice, you know, like ice.

He starts having as a whole grocery list of items he sees want me to bring down there. I think they're making cocktails, of course, you know, so you know exact what they're doing.

So having it's having some adult ever did so again just me being the dumb ass kid, you know, at.

Twenty years old at the time, I started just coming up with the dumbest questions you could possibly possibly think of at the time. And it was as one of the senior chiefs, the same rank I retired as, and so he was a senior instructor on the on the island at the time. And again I started asking him like, well, well, senior, like where where where am I going to find those things? At?

You know, I'm on watch and I have someone relieve me.

And he stops me mid sentence and he says, hey, look, motherfucker, you better figure it.

The fuck out or else.

And you best to stop that mindset if you want to have any success in this community whatsoever.

Click so again in that.

Moment, not want to be the reason the class was woken up and putting the surf zone for surf tords here. We can talk about surf torture a little bit later. But what did I do in that moment I figured it the fuck out real quick. Let me tell you so again, I was running around, scrambling, trying to find stuff as fast as I could and get it over there. And so I finally got it all put together, not

So I ran back and then enough enough said.

But again, as funny as that story was at the time, looking back still to this day, is probably one of the biggest life lessons learned I have. It's basically the problem solving mindset, like you know, figuring things out. So and that was one hundred percent true as far as you have to have the fitfo to figure out the fuck out mentality to you know, have any success on the seal teams, little alone is in life in general.

I got to ask you, you know, follow up, where the hell did you find cranberry juice and orange juice and all of this?

A good place for it, probably of the galley, the chow hauling Okay, so okay, a couple are things that had to go elsewhere to find it. But it was, uh yeah, it was pretty It was more streamlined than I originally was worried it was gonna be.

So uh and then you mentioned surf torture.

Mm hmmm, yeah, So surf torture all that is it's just you know, it's it's a means where the instructors can take a little break and they just let the elements do the work, you know, for the class as far as trying to get uh get get guys to quit. But it's an evolution where you just lay in the uh lay in the uh you know, Pacific Ocean off you know, the the Buds Beach or wherever you're at if you're out in San Clemente Island.

And again, like the water is never warm out there.

For folks who have been in southern California, it was a summer hell week, So, I mean it was a little bit warmer, but I think mid sixties was the warmest the water ever did get on us. So yeah, just again, it's just uh, just a timeframe where the instructors can take a little break and just let the elements do the work and get guys to quit if they.

Want to get that attrition rate down exactly, exactly, all right, So I won't make you tell bud stories all night here.

Try that's the We'll both to do a separate one just for buds story.

I got plenty of them, I know. I feel I feel like we all have more stories about selection than like, you know, Oliver Stone has about Vietnam, you know, yeah, exactly, so you check into Seal Team four, uh, tell us about that experience.

Yeah, so it was a little bit different than what other guys, other brand new guys had experienced, just because Team four, Uh, Seal Team four was deployed at the time, so as me and the rest of my you know, classmates from BUDS and SQT, I mean we there was literally like I think two seals. There was like a chief, you know, it was like the mastered Orange Shock kind of doing an administrative work and there was maybe one of the guys.

So we got formed out.

To uh to trade at the training attachment on the East Coast with the different cells. So I ended up going to the H one of the Assault sales you know on CQB and like the in the also mount the Military Operations and Urban Trains South Special Operations in Urban Combat. So I got to do several trips with them there seeing other Seal platoons from other East Coast teams go through.

So again we always when we.

Got back to UH, you know, we checked back in, you know, to Team four after the you know, the guys got back from deployment, it was you know, the new guy games all over again at that point, like we figured it was gonna be.

But uh, it was really it was really interesting.

I think overall, looking back, it was a good experience just getting to know different guys from your team and it's you know, being a kind of role players out for for them and just kind of actually doing some of the runs with them as well. So it really, at least for me, that definitely helped out just kind of get a jump start on at least the assault seek be portion.

A little bit of uh O j T before you really started.

No exactly exactly, so it was good. It was really good overall.

So the guys come back, and at what point do you get put on a platoon?

So almost immediately we were we were pretty much we're gonna be slated.

I knew I was going to three troop and uh in a fox drop platoon, so uh sorry echo platoon echotune.

I ended up switching on my second go round.

But yeah, so we knew what platoon what you know, troop you're going to is called tasking at the time, we uh it transferred over to troops right after that. But uh again, you know, looking back, it was, you know, like the guys came back in for like flate fall time frames. We had a couple of months of of kind of like you know, the pro dead professional development. We didn't have a whole lot going on, and after the first of the year we start our UoT our

I want to ask you, you know, like what type of dudes land on a seal platoon? Like who are some of these guys. You know, you don't have to mention anyone by name if you don't want to, But like, what are these personalities?

Like, I mean, it's.

Definitely type A personalities across the board. You know, that's kind of be expected. You know, you have to be, you know, a type A to have any success in the seal teams. Really, like everyone had, you know, somewhat of an athletic background, some more than others. Definitely, everyone had like a huge sense of patriotism, camaraderie and just wanted to really be a member of the of the team.

Look down to the individual.

Shooter level, the platoon level, you know, tasking a troop level across the board. So I just, like I say, highly motivated, very for the most part, you know, very trustworthy guys and uh just guys that you'd want to you know, go down range with, you know, serving your country, you know, and in harm's way.

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I mean, at what point did you find out where you guys were deploying to.

It wasn't until I want to say, probably springtime.

We deployed the fall of two thousand and six. So yeah, my first one was to Felujah, Iraq.

So oh wow.

It was a you know a little a little bit like your average you know, a little over six months deployment.

We had a condensed you know, UoT and.

PRODEV and also said, you know, let's throat into integrations training just because of like kind of the deployment cycle. I After that we went back to like the East and West Coast teams went back to two year like you know, all every six months.

It was pretty got back from deployments.

It was pro DEEV, then u l T Unit level training, the you know kind of squatter integration training but still called that, and then deployment. So but we only we were on eighteen month cycles. It was just that much that much faster.

So you guys got to Fallujah, if my uh chronology is right, a little bit after the Marines went in there, and kind of like cleaned the place out absolutely. So what was it like when you arrived in Fallujah sort of? What was the atmospherics?

Well, I mean, the guys that were already in country coming to convoy to pick us up, you know, on the humbies and other other armory equipment got hit by I D and our our lead Turt Gunner got you know, fragged pretty good from it. So that was kind of a it was kind of like, hey, you know, all the new guys, welcome, Welcome to Iraq. You know you're in the war zone now this we're playing for keep.

Gunner and what was the mission like when you guys got there.

So we were we had a Iraqi partner for us. We were training, but it was mostly direct action raids we were doing. So they wanted us to have, you know, so many Iraqis they would take, we would take out with them, or they could take out with us. And so they had like a couple of guys doing the training of them and another guy. The rest of the guys were doing operations, you know, some some like kind of sniper over on stuff. It was mostly like it was the direct raid, the kill capture operations.

We were doing.

Any that kind of stand out in your mind.

I mean, there were several of them that definitely, uh definitely you know, could have got a little little little sporty, little spicy, But it wasn't until after I left because I was on the first rit bird out and the read from Place bird and then so I was like probably about half of our platoon or half of our troop, other guys from Team ten and contingent.

That we're gonna be ripping ripping out with us.

Uh.

So they uh, they went out on target with the rest of our guys, and then a good buddy of mine was killed that you know, evening literally like a day.

After we left.

So that one, I, you know, I talk about that every so often a little bit at that one still kind of stings this day as far as you know, cause we hit just so many compounds over the UH over the course that six months, and then sure enough, you know, we lose we lose a guy in one of the last ops you know of the UH of the deployment, let alone with not even like almost you know, almost half the.

Guys being gone not there for either.

So uh, you know, kind of looking back, I say, if I could have I told this story before as well, if I could have one redo in my entire career, I would go back and ask not to be on you know, the first rip bird flight out because again I totally understand like my leadership point of view, because

Was about half of us.

But if I could have you know, I said, I could have one redo over again, I would turn back time and make sure I was on that off for when everything went down.

Yeah. That sucks, man.

It always seems like it's the last damn mission on the deployment.

Yeah, exactly.

So, yeah, we had a guy you know, you know, you get fragged pretty good, you know, from the I D first, uh, you know first, you know, and one of the I think maybe the first night we were in country.

I think it was the second convoy they did overall.

And then yeah, like in the direct action right, they were going after a group of all kind of militants that shut down an American helicopter the previous day.

So it was just just bad. But hey, you know, I'm bringing lessons learned, life lessons learn at that point.

Yeah, man. And so you get back and go to the Sniper Corps. Is that the one in Indiana?

Yes?

Great, Yeah, so some of it's you know, they do like the East and West coast will do like they're again it's different now. I think it's all like one big school, but like you know picked like photo image capture, and they had like the scout it's almost like a SNYP, you know, scout sniper like sniper light and then if you pass both those then you would go on to the full you know, sniper training pipeline in UH in Indiana.

And what was the sniper course like.

It was definitely challenging.

I mean, honestly, the shooting itself was was was you know hard at times, but it was the easiest. It was like some of the stocking. Just the overall like field craft.

You know.

I was you know, born and raised, like I said, in rural northeast Missouri, so I spent plenty of time out in the field, you know, hunting and into it just like my grandparents, you know farm they had UH in rural northeast Missouri close to where I grew up. But it just the overall like field craft and like being you know, you know, covert clandestine about things too, is probably one of the biggest things.

Again, the shooting.

Stuff was was challenging by all means, but I'd say like the actual field craft for me, especially some of the stocking was what I uh, you.

Know, it was the most challenging.

And at that time where you guys still like building out the big bear suits, the Gilly suits and oh yeah yeah you.

Had your Gilly Gilly shawl, your Gilly Gilly suit. You know, had had several different options depending on what you wanted to wear. So again, like we were fortunate enough, I was going through in the summertime frame, so we had know thick vegetation.

It was a whole lot easier than guys.

That have to go through in the the winter time with no folage everything else. Of course, we got to worry about poison ivy at that point in time. I think, you know, probably two thirds of the class ended up getting poison ivy really bad. But again just the price of doing business. It's the nature of the beast.

So biggest takeaway from sniper school, aside from stalking, I guess tactical patients.

Definitely learned tactical patients there, you know, in an extreme way. So in your you know, doing your stock, you're in your high sight. You're just waiting for that right moment to h when you need to uh we need to execute when you need to do it, do an engagement, I'd tell yeah, definitely, Tactical patients was the overall biggest lessons learned in theme from going to snipers.

School, and then I think you mentioned was there a master Breacher course.

Yeah, so I went to like lead breacher course after that, and again, like guys were saying, like, hey, that makes some of the older guys that make no sense, you know, because usually like the snipers were doing their own thing, breachers.

Would do their own thing.

But again I was just kind of dual trained where I could be the lead breacher on an op or I could you know, be the sniper role doing the sniper Overwatch or some of the you know kind of like longer containment you know, operations.

We would do.

How do you like the breacher course?

It was fun? I mean, explosives are always fun, you know, no matter what.

So again, really I like the breaching aspect is the problem solving because they go, you know, just you you truly learned to kind of really like be able to like read the door when you like to, you know, you do like you you know, calculation of what's charge you know, our charges you need ahead of time.

You know, I have it, you know, through your specific you know sps for one and something.

There's a little bit of a you know, a little bit of leeway on what exactly you could use. So it was definitely kind of the ultimate you know, problem solving in the moment, figuring out which charge you use, how much explosive net weight you have, and then even what type of explosives and kind of going from UH from there, just you know, using your uh, using your trade craft, you know, when you're out out on operations.

At this point in time, I guess we're still in like two thousand and six, two thousand and seven. Around then, was the training starting to move more towards like urban environment to sort of simulate the environment you guys were going into or were still like trying to blow down trees to build an apty and that kind of thing.

It was definitely heavy in the h the urban aspect of things, but we still never went away from the field craft you know aspect as well though, especially what happened in the you know, a summer of two thousand and five in Afghanistan with the UH you know, the the loan survivor incident with the you know, the you know,

So definitely definitely.

Had to be proficient in all aspects of the operation you could come across.

So you're you're moving along at a pretty steady clip here as a young seal going from being doing your first platoon sniper breacher and then going back to your platoon and going through the whole train up cycle again.

Yeah, correct, And the actually I did an augment with Seal Team eight as well to Iraq for a little bit when we were doing some of the counter on rating insurgency stuff you know, back during that time frame.

So yeah, I ended up doing a little bit of an augment with them.

It was a good experience, and then deployed again the fall of two thousand and eight to back to Iraq, and you know, it was different, different troop than a while I was assigned to initially, but there was like a contingent of guys from our troop that we're gonna go augment the guys of our troop, and then our troop was in kind of doing the Yukom deployment. So that was that was actually again it all worked out.

You know, I started in two thousand and nine.

So tell us a little bit about the counter Iran mission because that's a that's an interesting one.

Yeah.

So it's I mean, obviously Al Qaida, Iraq, you know, they were the they were the big, you know, big ones there going after. But this had such a negative Iranian influence, especially some of the areas where we were working around, like the you know, the eastern eastern side of Iraq and also even Bagdad itself. So I know a lot of guys who did uh you know operations in Solder City. You know, it was pretty much you know,

So you guys were trying to like disrupt the i e. D networks.

Yes, that was a biggest thing. You know, we got up a lot of like the financiers and like the senior leaders. But again it's just you know, the more the more you know, operations we would do. It was pretty It's pretty crazy to see just how how some of these senior leaders you know that the counter Iranian are they the Iranian surgency were tied in with the

Yeah, how did the politics interfere with your operation? I mean sort of the local politics, like did they try to like shut down some of these missions or did you run into.

That they tried to a little bit, but it seemed like we were definitely were we were insulated from from a lot of that aspect of things, just because it was it was so important the time, and like I, RACK had already been kind of spiraling out of control for for a while from probably you know, two thousand and five on, and didn't you know, even if you wantn't call it stabilized, it didn't really didn't stabilize till like,

And then you mentioned going over to European Command. Mm hmm, what what were you guys up to over there?

So we were doing a lot of like just training operations more than anything.

It's like bi lads, like bilateral exchanges other UH I can't I can't remember some of the acronyms, but it was basically like working with our.

Our NATO allies over there.

So I went to Poland for for a solid month, you know, work with the Polish DROM awesome, awesome dudes. And it went to Estonia for three weeks after that, you know, within a matter of a couple of days.

So again, really good experience.

And uh you always have like your you know, your embassy evacuation that could could come up, you know, you could you out of there among other operations, but really you more than anything focusing on training and then for me just getting you know, making sure I was in good shape and right, you know, mindset, getting ready to start the selection process for the command coming up.

Oh yeah, what was it?

What was it like working with some of the NATO partners, Like, I mean, Groham is known to be very professional. The the Baltic States also are known to be pretty hardcore.

Yeah, no, like I would, I would deploy with the Graham guys in a heartbeat.

You know, And I was, uh, you know, kind of fast forward years later, I did a little exchange with the SBS guys and I was gonna be deployed with them when I was a team leader at the at the command and one of the squadrons, and I was having to have one of my of my junior guys go with me as well, but that didn't getting shut down. Let our shut off last minute, which is a which was a bummer. Like I told guys before, there's again there's two units I really would like to have deployed with.

So it sounds like in this time you're already thinking about screening for the command. You had this you had this idea in mind really since the moment you joined the Navy. It sounds like exactly.

Like I said, like when I from I was twelve years old when I read read the book Rogue Warrior Senko. So yeah, I screened in the summer of two thousand and eight, you know, screen positive. It was made uh still a team for the rest of my deployment cycle there. Like I mentioned before, I deployed Iraq and then you come for a little bit and then checked in to start a start the selection course in the springtime of two thousand and nine.

Uh so what was the screening process like.

Again, it's you know, you know, PT is obviously a big factor on there. But like when when guys you know, ask me what what was harder? You know, like you know, a green team, the selection course for development group or or BUDS uh met personally for me, I would rather do at a minimum, I would do first phase of BUDS including helliwek again before I did the six weeks

So yeah, I've heard guys say even even dudes that are not super fond of the Seals, say at Development Group they have a very robust, you know, counter terrorism CQB program.

Yeah, So again it's it's that's one of the biggest things we are judged on.

I mean, yes, you have to have other you have to be confident in other you.

Know, core seal skills skill sets, but the CQB aspect, you know, again like kind of people ask me all the time in the civilian world, what's CK be mean? Like at this like room clearing, you know, like structure clearing, you know, how to do it safely with potentially you know, you know, heavily armed packs inside there too.

And again this you know kind of you know, coming full circle.

Never when I was going through the selection and then you know, you know, just doing you all, you know, staying on the on the deployment grind at the command. I never thought, you know, it would it would off the way it has post military life, being able to do something I'm doing with the civilian law enforcement training.

Place, you know, one one by one over over the years.

So other than the CQB, what other kinds of training do you go through in Green platoon as you're kind of getting spun up for you know the top level.

Yeah, so you're doing you're doing you know, integration stuff with the the one sixtieth you know, the helicopter you know, squad of the one sixtieth Special Operations Aviation Regiment. So again you talk about guys that are the top of their their tradecraft right there.

The guys are absolutely phenomenal, from.

Forty seven pilots to the you know the Hawks, the little birds, you know, to mention all the adapts, the direct action penetrators, you know crew for the Blackhawks rigged as gunships and also the a's the AH six is. So doing a lot a lot of integration stuff with them on certain aspects, and then you're doing quite a bit of a jumping skydiving with certain like military freefall profiles.

What do you think it is that gets them on the free fall course?

Usually it's zing out the exits. And I mean I've told this guys before too. I had a fairly healthy fear of jumping, like one of the biggest I guess failures if you want to talk about, you know, I wouldmit during my career, I went to O Tai Lake's military free fall school that the Navy put on and I failed out of it.

So I was ze in the exit.

So and that was definitely in the back of my mind, you know, going through our green team the selection course when we were doing our uh are jumping there.

But again it is just and I.

Think I hopefully I was able to help a few guys that were struggling potentially as well.

Throughout the years.

It wasn't until I truly understood the relative wind and how you're exiting the aircraft, whether it's a side door

And so when I was getting ready to turn.

Over my team with the incoming team leader actually one of my guys, you know, it was really awesome dude I had a lot of respect for.

But I kind of.

Recommended that to him because he was he was you know, he was proficient at jumping, but you can just tell he just was not as confident as I would like to see him, you know and be. And then so I kind of suggested that to him and say, hey, man, I would really I would really go, you know, recommend you go through military you know, the freefall GM at some point in time jump master school.

The Command puts on just because I think it will help tie things.

In to do a lot a lot, but you know, better better for you, and you'll just be more confident jumping. And He's like, and the only reason why I notice, you know, I don't think you have, you know, as much confidence as you could have because I was you about, you know, six seven years prior to that.

So uh, hopefully, hopefully I was a semi positive.

Influence on him as far as that that aspect.

And after getting through all this training, you signed into the command. Uh, now you're now you're in the big leagues.

Man.

What's it like making that jump from a seal team to development group?

And so people ask me that a lot, like what's the difference? You know?

So you know, I mean Steal Team four versus you know, like Team five or even you know obviously the command you know de gu Steal Team six.

So I would.

Say this, So if you have you know, two or three platoons deployment cycles underneath your belt and the you know, the East and West Coast Seal teams or STV Team one still Delivery Vehicle Team one, you're considered like a very experienced guy, Whereas again I did my two platoons, you know, started the selection process going through a through Green Team, and then I get to my you know, squadron, and I spent the majority of my career out over there, and I was a brand new guy again.

You know. It's just like literally I was like the least experience.

So I just I think it's over all the experience level, just the mission set itself, and just really like the for the selection process, you know, on Green Team, it's just perfection is demanded, you know, and it's they have so many, so many you know, just you know sets of eyes watching you, like you really can't get away with with a whole lot, especially early on doing some of the the initial readout phase of things.

So I'd say just over.

Again, it's it's it's like when I was having my interview board, you know, when I was doing like my screener initially to try to get orders to go, uh to go to Green Team, go through the Command selection process. I kind of like on my interview paper work, like I said like, hey, like why do you want to come to Command. I'm like, it's it's the natural progression for strong operators to to kind of just keep keep

Definitely kind of plateaued out a little bit.

They had the talent level, they definitely could have went to the command and been very successful over there. So again it's just, you know, it's it's just when one big competition as far as you know, the trajectory up as far as experienced level goes. And again it's just you know, you're you're you know, you're one of the

And so.

What's it like, I mean, you've partially answered this, I think, but already like, like, what's it like getting to a squadron? And again, I imagine all of these guys are A type personalities, like they're super dialed in, super intense all the time.

What's it like hitting the ground running on a squadron?

So even to your point, Jack, even more as far as hitting the ground running, So like I was just our squadron was deployed when we when we got through our our selection process. So yeah, like the command master chief, he wanted us to take the holidays off, so ra after the first year, we deployed overseas with a squadron. So uh, again you talk about just being thrown right to the fire and being like you are a Tier one operator like you are, you are expected to know, you know.

What's going on.

So it's definitely definitely you know a lot of things we've you know, covered some and Green Team, but but not to the extent with.

The high level of training.

And again just talk about the experience level you know, from like you know, the troop chief, you know, the team leaders on down. It's just like I've told so many people this before too, Like looking back, it took me a couple of years to get removed, you know, kind of in the in the civilian world and kind of looking back and like that, the talent level that

So all right, So tell us about gearing up for that first deployment.

Oh gosh, again, it was we went through the selection process and any through and the little time you know, for the holidays, and then it was it was, you know, I think the second no, it was, it was, you know, I guess it was a couple of days after the first. Yeah, we we caught a rotator bird and and I'm over there and flew over and joined our joined our squadron. So it was you know, kind of what I what I we were kind of talked about, you know, where

So it was it was quite the experience, you know, I mean.

Definitely, you know, just you talk about just you know, walking in some place where you are just you know, you feel so small, even though you just went through one of you know, considered one of the hardest selection you know courses in the US military, you still feel like you don't know anything, you know, when you're there just because of the.

Talent level of guys that are that that you're working with U.

And I mean is again the big jump from the sealed teams to development group is that now you guys are charged with going after like nation level hvts as opposed to like these are the bad guys in town.

Yeah, I say, like a lot of like the national being like one of the national mission forces. It's it just gets ups the game that much. And also the scrutiny,

So again, like Doug about the ultimate ultimate double edged sword. Yeah, or peer pressure, it could.

Be a be a hell of a hell of a positive or an extreme negative.

Yeah, there's the pressure, but there's also the aspect of like you're my boy, Blue, you got this, you.

Know exactly you don't you don't want to let your teammates down.

Yeah.

Can you say where you went on that first trip?

It was an East East East Afghanistan. It was one of the one of the strike forces over there. So with the with with the squadron, I was.

In cool and from that timeframe, like now that you're in the big leagues, any missions that kind of like jump out at you that were interesting or noteworthy.

Yeah, So we did several diployments to Afghanistan. The roys could be spicy at a moment's notice. But for me, I was I was very fortunate if I was in the troop that conducted the Justin Bichannan hostage rescue raid in Somalia in January of twenty two Will though, again it was just just how it worked out with the rotation. Again, very very fortunate. Everything went very well that night. It could not have gone near nearly as well as it did.

I really don't like to cover very you know, you.

Know, the specifics of the operation, but I do like to talk about a lot of the lessons learned. I'll do that a lot when I'm teaching in the Law Enforcements, but I'll just close a little more in a closed, closed environment to really kind of hit home some of the points. But I always like to talk about you know, I'm doing my initial PowerPoint slide for some of the c CB courses I teach, is you know the definition of advanced tactics.

We heard that in Green Team all the time.

All advanced tactics are is knowing the basics, knowing when it makes sense to break the rules and then be able to articulate why you broke those rules.

So it was definitely like.

That operation really highlighted because I'll cover again without without saying too much. You know, even though we had you know, the most state of the art military aircraft, you know, Werconstance aircraft overhead, we have the latest and greatest of weapons systems optics mbgs.

The wrecked guys had thermals.

But even though we had all that, the tactic we used to clear that objective and save those two hostages was one of the most basic tactics at every infantry soldier is taught at a young age and every small unit you know, special operations tactician is taught at a young age with some of the kind of the small unit tactics we work on. So that always mentioned when I'm teaching the courses. As far as I hate, never

A real world operation, training, you name it.

So, uh, my biggest personal lesson learned personal standard operating procedure lessons learned from that one is I never left the wire from that point forward without some sort of

So yeah, the REKI guys were with either their.

Handheld thermals or their fusion goggles or night vision and you know thermal combined you know goggles, you know capable. Uh, they were kind of calling out heat sources, you know, with the rough direction of travel and rough distance. But it was it was fairly helpless feeling not really being able to see even like we're we're we're heat segnisures

And if they dividing because it was because it was so foggy you couldn't see anything under night did the again.

It was zero loom cloud covered rolled in and there's a ampient light in the country of Smali, in the in the in the in the bush, you know, in the middle of nowhere, and just like the vegetation was super thick. So again even like looking just underneath your mvgs, looking at your buddy to your left and to your right, you know, or even in the formation, uh, you couldn't.

So really I couldn't, you know, most of us could not.

Tell at all, and you know where roughly even the you know, heat signatures were coming, you know from distance wise and rough location unless you had a thermal capability either built in your mvgs or like a little handheld thermal.

And so you guys pulled Jessica Buchanan and there was a European national.

He has a Danish guy out, Paul fisted. Yeah, they were working for a danishd mining company. When uh, when when they were taking hostage.

And I got to ask, like, what's that moment like when you repatriate an American and a friendly national hostage. I always think of like you know, the Kurt Muse rescue in Panama, where like all of a sudden, there's these soldiers there pulling you out and saying we're American soldiers, We're here to bring you home.

Like that's got to be a good feeling.

Oh no, absolutely. It was definitely the highlight of all our careers, hands down. And we were again we just you know, she ex filled her and the other the Danish citizen Paul, They you know took one of the first heilos out and we didn't you know, didn't hear anything else from her for you know, several years. But then after the fact, she end up coming back to the command and we were able to host her and kind of like have a big, big debrief.

It tied in a lot of like our questions we have.

Also kind of her you know, her question she had once we were able to tie the stories together. So I thought that was very beneficial and like just such a sweet girl, such a sweet gal. So that's really cool. Yeah, just you know, just a wonderful, wonderful human being.

And I bet it also offered some closure to that event for everyone involved.

Yes, absolutely, Like again, initially we did have like little meat and greet in one of our commander's conference rooms, and uh, I mean she immediately like she was gonna like start talking to begin with, and she completely just broke down and started crying and like the thing that she was able to get, you know, word, she was able to get out, you know, because we like took her to the memorial wall that she saw the pictures of guys that have been been killed throughout the years

So again we totally hey, it didn't did not work out that way, you know.

So you know, yeah, so hey, everything worked out fine.

We're all here and let's you know it was.

We also reiterated to her the day it was all the highlight of all of our careers. So we were more than happy and more than willing to go, you know, put ourselves in harm's way to bring you back home, Jessica. So I think I definitely made her feel feel pretty good about about things.

So I think she wrote a book about her experience, and I have not read it, to tell you the truth.

Yeah, I needed to read it as well. Uh still too. Yeah, it's called impossible odds. So I watched the sixty minute interview she she's done several times, or she did several times.

It was a pretty pretty good interview. Folks have not seen that yet. So just if you just.

Googled Jessica Buchannan and Hassa's rescue sixty minutes and it'll pop right up on YouTube.

I'll check it out. That is a super cool story. I got it man, that's awesome. I thank you. And after that, what was kind of like the next step in your career as an operator at this point.

So right after the deployed to Afghanistan again later on that that year, after we did the Hassa's rescue for Jessica. But then after that actually was for a pre team leader. I did a little a cup of professional development. I went to our Clandestine Operations squadron, so it's a good experience doing some of the unilatal surveillance stuff we were doing.

So again I'm.

Looking back, I really cannot you know, I really can't ask for too much more as far as you know, just being able to uh you know, you know, just getting the various experience of attitudes again talk about everything, how it's all comes full circle. The uh sevil uh from our clandestine Clandestine Operation Squadron, I do quite a bit of a like surveillance training for domestic law enforcement.

She runs a Feenda Defense group. We we uh we you know.

Team up a lot to to uh host you know, and put on some of these surveillance for domestic law enforcement blocks. So again, I know, initially like Jackie was gonna try, I thought, Jackie, and now we are gonna be co located, We're gonna be able to both hoping here together.

But I can pleatly get my dates mixed up.

And yeah, she's back in California, but we are going to be linking up again coming up in the Denver area here in July for several weeks for some training we're putting on. So yeah, definitely recommend her guys to go check out a Feene Defence group on Instagram and then she's got a website. It's you know, pretty pretty

Is your real life version of the Lion?

Is she was in one of three programs that that you know, that that series was written based off of, so that that always gets guys his attention right away, you know, when they're like, oh gosh, yeah this guy, this gual, here's the real, the real deal. So yeah, just Jackie is an awesome, awesome gal. And yeah, it's

Yeah, put us in touch and would be more than happy to have Jackie on this show one.

Day Okay, absolutely, I highly recommend it. Yeah, Jackie is. Jackie is awesome. Jackie is I always I always joke with guys as well.

So for can I compare Jackie you know, like you again being being a female and like pretty much a man's world. You know, she's definitely definitely an alcohol in herself, but as far as as trustworthy and.

Uh you just you know, you know, a team player she is.

So I always can make the comparison, you know when uh, you know you're you're a small, you know, tight knit group of a group of friends. I use the u that movie The Town with Ben Affleck and Jeremy Renner when they're h when he goes into when Ben Affleck goes into you know, the placer's staying at and talks with you know, Jeremy Renner's character and he's just like, hey, like, I need your help. You know, you can't ask any questions. You know, we're gonna hurt some people. And he says,

Or who or whose car are we taking that.

Jackie is in that same category, like Jackie, I need your help.

You know, we gotta go do some stuff.

It's a little bit questionable, and she would be like, all right, be taking your trucker minds, right. So she's definitely definitely in the club. You know, she's definitely within the sister within the brotherhood.

That is for sure.

Uh So you said you did some time as assistant team leader and then team leader.

Yeah, so in the squadron, I spent you know, right, quite a not quite a decade and uh overall, so yeah.

Again being an assistant team leader.

After being out of the loop for a little bit and our Clandestine Operation Squadron, it's it was fairly easy to come back, and it just again is how funny how things work out, Like I keep mentioning, so that when I came back, the the assault squadrons were actually taken over some of the uh you know, unilateral surveillance

That's a lot of capability in one troop, isn't it to have guys that can free fall in and clear an airplane if need be. But also he can do all this sort of quaint DestinE surveillance work.

Yeah.

So I won't mention his name because he likes to keep a very low profile with so many stuff he's still doing post military life. But one of the most well respected operators lace in my time. I was there set said it pretty good one time. You know, he was a team leader and one of the squadrons and went to our Clandestine Operation Squadron and then went back as a troop chief for that same Assault squad and then finished his career retired out of the clandestin Operation Squadron.

You know, you know, you know, sensitive activities troop.

But then he's just like, no, no, no, it's an assault troop with a sensitive activities capability, Like there's a difference, you know, so it's pretty much all encompassing, so definitely a little bit different than just a.

Quote unquote sensitive activities troop.

So no, it's an assault troop with sensitive activities capabilities.

Yeah, and it's also interesting to have like the sort of continuum of targeting kind of encompassed and all encompassed in one organization like that that you guys can probably do the intelligence gathering, the mission planning, and then the execution of the mission itself if you were called upon to do that.

Yep.

So yeah, we would like the kind of the fine fixed Phoenix exploit analyze and uh even some of the deployment cycles before that, and we were doing some of like the more of the remote outstations with some of our you know, inner agency counterparts as well doing like an assistant team leader you know, you know then also the team leader during those rotations where I mean you're the senior military guy you know, on the on the ground on some of these operations as the team leader,

And then becoming a team leader, I mean, what's that experience, like, uh, you're in charge?

Right? Yeah? No, definitely, uh definitely the highlight of my career, you know overall.

So I was I was in our troop chief position for a clandestine operations squadron for a bit as well too. Again, it just did that that that would have been, you know, probably the highlight of my career, but just unfortunately it was learning like the COVID timeframe, and then it kind of had like some stuff on the personal side. I decided to retire, so didn't didn't get to do nearly as much real world operationally.

I was hoping in that position.

But but as far as you know, being like an a team leader of an assault team, you know, it's just it's again like talk about that the talent of that place, like just looking like every one of my guys you know, from like I was at Echo one down to like my my Echo seven, you know, at number seven. So I just every single dude just was just a phenomenal

Was my my case as well.

So I know some guys have to deal with some problem children that U that causes more h you know, more effort and uh you know kind of uh you know, have more of a more of a negative light. But you know, it's it's for me at least, I couldn't ask for any better guys.

You know that work and work I worked with and when I.

Was a team leader, so even as the assistant team leader, I got you know, quit you know, I was one of this Uh. I think the senior number two is senior assistant team leader in the squadron for one full rotation.

So again it was you know, guys would come to me for a lot. I think, you know, hopefully I was a positive influence to them. And uh uh.

Again it's just you know, just still still to this day, just just blows me away, just the talent of that place.

Still.

Yeah, they even I was fortunate enough to uh just pass January.

One of the cities I'm in quite a bit.

My old squadron was doing an urban training event there and I was I got to see a lot of guys and were never mind you guys when I was an you know, assistant team leader and team leader that they are now team leaders are assistant team leaders running the show.

So's that was just phenomenal to see.

So and so you finished your career in the Clindestine squadron. I know that stuff's like pretty hush, but what what are you allowed to say about that?

I just it was our biggest miss set, depending on where we were at, was like being able to unilaterally conduct a conduct surveillance where it's physical technical you know,

Yeah, and then talk to us a little bit about retirement, Like, you must have had some moment in your career of like surrealism. You know that you went from being the twelve year old kid reading rogue warrior to being a team leader and then you know, master chief, troop chief. Pretty wild experience. How did retirement take place for you? When did that moment come where you're like, you know what, that's I'm ready to move on.

Yeah, well I was a senior chief at a time. It's actually doing a big surveillance block. But uh, without going into like actual specifics, I just I just got to the point where I was, I was on the fence say hey, like I really need to figure out, Hey, am I going to be retiring because I was coming up on our I was, I was less than inside of the year from hitting the twenty year mark.

I was like nineteen years in change.

And uh it was actually, uh, you know where we live out now majority of the time in Dallas, Texas. We were on a work trip out there of all places, and just kind of like it.

Just you know, all came to me.

You know.

At once I told my wife, I was like, hey, you know, I know you said I had to get there on my own.

Whenever I was going to you know, retire what I just got there.

So yeah, like after that trip, when I came back the following week, I put in my retirement paperwork and then still had the position for like several more months. That's why they were doing some maning, shuffling around and everything else. But I was starting my uh my prep to uh to retire at that point, and it was a long process.

So I'm sure you.

Saw it as well too, where you're you know, separating out retiring for for everybody, it is it is definitely not an overnight You're you're not just giving your two weeks notice and then walking out the door like you are in the civilian world potentially so. But yeah, once I was, once I got there, I was. I was so ready I could have walked out that day, honestly. So except a hell of a ride, you know, looking back,

It's really important, isn't it, to like know when you hit that point, to identify.

That, because again, like there's there's definitely guys that I you know, still have you know, crazy amount of respect

Hell wants to say I don't want to be on the team anymore.

I mean, you actually.

Where you just you lose that fire in the gut, which I really that was really for me. I was just like, hey, man, like the juice is no longer worth to squeeze. I feel like I was going one hundred and twenty miles an hour my entire career. I'm just kind of like, you know, when I got to the point, I was like, well, you know, I think I'm good. I think I'm ready to move on and try something else in life.

That's cool. So you retire and tell us about post military life. I mean kind of what are those first couple of years like after retirement.

Yeah, so I retire officially in October first of twenty

You know you did you know over twenty years in the.

Military, you know, right out of high school, Like you need to take some time off, you know, like six months to a year, maybe do a little work here and there, you know, and and.

Really kind of figure out what you're gonna do.

Yeah.

I didn't listen to any of that shit. So I literally got my retirement.

I took my wife into the command for one last time on September thirtieth of twenty twenty two, got her a dependent you know, retiree ID.

I had to get rid of. I had to get rid out of.

Several programs in the Clandestin Operation squad and I was in and then turning my access badge, got my d D two fourteen, and then went and got my military retiree ID.

At that point, they gave me a temporary badge.

You know, I hate this badge out and just leave it right on the top of the the badge readers you're driving out.

Did that, and literally three days later I'd already had it lined up. I did a three week work trip.

That's you know, seventy two hours after I officially retired. So I went out to Denver, did some training out there for a week, and then went to Dallas Fort Word for a week, and then down to Houston for a week. Sorry not Houston, San Antonio. I'd already done a Houston trip previous to that. So yeah, again, like I totally understand, I totally get white. You know, some folks want to do you know, six months a year, you know, you know some you know sabbatical, you know, hiatus.

But that was definitely not me.

Like, literally seven and seventy two hours later, I was on the road again, hitting it hard.

So I've been been going NonStop ever since.

Yeah, you needed something to do with yourself to keep you occupied. Absolutely got your navy veteran hat from the p X and you were.

Yeah, well yeah, I got my you know, company logo of that wasn't going.

To get any in that.

Maybe a name with you exactly, so your company, you have a training group, tell us a little bit about that.

Yeah, so Galloglass Guardian group.

And then I get asked all the time the name, what's like the namesake, you know, what.

Does it mean?

So so gallo Glass was a term for Scotch Irish mercenaries from the thirteenth to sixteenth century from the North Norse Gaelic armies kind of where some of my family lineage is from.

You know, my dad, Dad's obviously last name Wendesay Scottish.

My last name my mom was, her maiden name was was Brennan for Irish, so kind of had the tribal the tribal areas of Scotland and Ireland and the family lineage. So again the Scotch Irish, you know, you know, Galloglass warriors were Scotch Irish mercenaries from you know, kind of

As far as some of the tactical training.

We do a little bit of security you know and assessments and things like that, but really like our bread and butter is the uh the tactical training for domestic law enforcement. We do some uh some kind of civilian training as well, trying to get a little bit more involved with that, and I started doing a lot more about leadership team building talks here recently as well various presentations.

And uh.

There's also a knife design company. Oh yes, I actually have a couple of them right here.

So yeah, so TSG Blade so good, buddy, mine I knew from uh from Seal Team four or we just we've kind of been working on this for a while. And so yeah, we just had our The website is not live just yet. It's gonna be TSG Blades. I'm actually gonna have a phone call hopefully tomorrow the next day to follow up with our web designer. But this is our initial initial knife we hadn't made right here.

Then we have the TSD Blades Covert. That's the smaller one.

So that this one is not beneficially released yet, but the other one is going to be hopefully released on on the website here very soon.

I have some of I've been selling in person.

That's awesome, man, Yeah they look great.

Yeah. And then so the for the third one.

Again, this is literally just a prototype our our manufacturing made after we design This's gonna be a folder basically the size of the this TSG blades, the covert, this was gonna be the the clandestine and a folder.

So and it's a pretty printed prototype.

But yeah, we're gonna be hopefully starting to take orders for those very soon as well.

Cool man. And uh, then let's also talk a little bit about some of the other stuff that you've gotten into, like, uh, there's a bit of your police law enforcement work that you're getting into. And then I mean there's also how we met doing some security work exactly.

Yeah, I guess again I've we've joked before. We got to like, you know, start linking up, brother, you know, more than like once a year like work. You know, So either you got to come down when Jaymed comes down, you know some of the boys boys week in North Carolina or meeting Dallas or all hit up head up north in.

The you know the NYC to meet you guys.

So no, So I'm a fully commissioned reserve deputy in the State of Louisiana through Richmond Parish and again just you know kind of help out with training works some you know coming and going when I'm traveling through there. But I'm in the process of getting my Texas Commission on Law Enforcement license as well.

I'll be a reserved through Allen Texas PD.

I again talking about like the the Navy cop Mastered Arms.

How it all, you know, kind of came full circle since.

I had that, you know that any seed enable listening code in addition to being a seal, I was able to get approved by the from the Texas Commission on Law Enforcement to go the Military Police credentialing route. That really saves a lot of in person academy times. So that would I would normally have to do, even though there's a special Operations route. You can go a special Operations veteran and then a military police veteran. And I was able to kind of get shave a shave even

But for me, I'm all about just being like a lifelong learner, you know.

And again, when I set out to do something, I really truly intend to try to be of all possible the best in the world at it. And I think like, okay, how do I how can I set myself apart from other guys doing with similar backgrounds, doing the you know,

This is what happened.

So that's a good feeling you talk about like job satisfaction at that point. So again, yeah, hopefully if I can make you know, I can do that and really do something I enjoy and make a good, you know, good living for myself, you know, my family. That's you know, acting on the cake, but literally just receiving text messages or phone calls from from guys that's saying like, dude, like, I don't know I'm sitting here, Like one guy recently

So so I just wanted to say thank you. So again, getting getting calls and texts like.

That is like is it just I mean, it's it's worth every bit of the uh you know, the effort and the struggle sometimes being a small business owner you know, running it, you know running you know, you know post military life here.

But again, you know, talk about just you know, always one of the lifelong lessons learned. Right now. I always like to break things down, like.

They just said, the uh you know you know uh, you know, tactical, operational, and strategic, uh you know levels of things. Right now, I'm really concentrating more on the tactical, like the boots on the ground, the end user getting a little bit is like operational stuff when you have multiple you know units, you know, inner agencies you know,

There's something you mentioned that I'd like to kind of key you off of.

You talked about being a lifelong learner, and I'd love to ask, you know, someone who worked at your level today, what are you still learning about marksmanship? What are you still learning about reaching? What are you still learning about tactics?

They're they always evolved.

So when I teach in the teaching one of the UH one of the like the the CQB portions, I always talk about bangs used to like bangs, you know, distraction devices, the visionary devices.

In the civilian the world, we.

Would call them crashes in the military that I made the exact same things. A lot lot of times it's exact same manufacturer, depending on UH, which agency is buying from which which manufacturer.

But again talk about just.

You know, on O J T and always trying to like make the course you know, better with with various you know, various uh you know kind of critiques you know, you know, you know kind of you know, you know, aar points guys would come up with. And so I remember I was actually down at Houston teaching a course for a Region two of the Texas Tactical Police Officers Association.

I do a lot of a lot of work with. And again, like it was interagency class.

You know, he had guys that are like, you know, full time swat guys from major metropolitan area. And then you had guys that were, you know, you know, within like less than two years as a as a police officer, they got sent to instructor level of CQB Corps.

So you have like huge training disparity.

But so anyways, so when we're talking about implementing bangs, and there was like we were doing a deliberate style clearance and.

Like one of the guy, a couple of guys, like one guy that was actually the one man in the doorway.

Guys were getting a little frustration because the gears are grinding, not working together. For the first time, I think it was the first day when this happened. After we had it did like some classroom portions of things and really like the one guy you know on the number number one man was like, guys, what do you want me to do? You want me you know, you're gonna bang and want me to hold You want to banging clear deliberately. You want to be bang, you know, bang and take

Why I was covering that. That's why I'm so big. It was. It was a lot of work, you know, leading up to it.

But a couple of years ago, the Texas State Legislator changed the kind of rules for some of the reporting requirements for training.

Where before it said like if you if the.

Course got audited, you had to provide a lesson plan with like the different training objectives and curriculum ahead of time and also the skills test. Then they changed it. I want to say it was September of twenty three they change it to where like you had to have one on file ahead of time. So again it was a lot of extra work for me, and I had, you know, work in between uh, the work trips, I was back here getting some family time in in North Carolina.

Know, like a lot of night vision work I do as well.

And so I've I've always passed those off and guys want them, you know, like the training coordinator will get a copy of it for the reporting standards.

But there's even other states.

So I kind of had sent that to guys and you know what I've done the course is through them, are with them and uh and they've actually been able to take it morph it to their state their state standards and like it was you know, it's like the lesson there they can make their own lesson plan on file at that point too.

So that's that's definitely a benefit.

And it just kind of has that that that that that little bit of extra extra backing to know that like, hey, a state governing body is you know at tracking and approved through a training coordinator at you that you are actually you know, you know, go in by the lesson plan and when I whenever I do, hope like it. You know, my test knocked out for my Texas Commission on Law Enforcement you know license, and I get commissioned

So still a little bit more I got to figure out on that.

As far as if I still have need to run through a department itself, I think that might be the case, but I just would be able to take a lot of work off, a lot of load off of the training coordinators having that qual in addition into my my t COLE, you know, like general Peace Officer's license.

Trey, this has been a pretty wild ride, man. Thank you for sharing your story with us.

And is there anything we haven't gotten to, anything I haven't asked that you'd really like to talk about?

Yeah, I mean I think we cover the majority of it.

I mentioned the t t p o A, the Texas Tactical Police Office Association a lot I do. I do some stuff with the n t l A, the National Tactical Office Association, not as much, but I'm gonna be presenting their conference again this year when they're when I have it in the in the end of August and the DC area, so looking forward to that. I'll probably

That's another another one I've been working on hot heavy. I gotta gotta get some stuff excuse me, a schedule through them.

So that and then I would like to talk just a little bit about you know, a nonprofit I'm I'm partner with and do a little Good foundation. They have the Dallas Fort Worth area, so I mean, even though they're based out of there, they kind of sponsored training and other stuff. I mean, if you you look on their website, just d a l G that already to do a Little Good Foundation, and you google that old

He's a former Navy veteran himself.

And then really he has several different several different aspects, you know, different like mission focuses where one is like you know, training domestic law enforcement. Two is kind of helping with you know, veteran entrepreneurship programs, and three it's like a knine like you know, like a you know, a service animal for kids that have you know, been like an abuse of homes and things like that. I know there's other stuff he's getting involved with as well.

We'll have links down the description, and I think we also have a couple of viewer questions for you to Trey.

Okay, this is from Corbin. How often did fitfull apply to c QB?

Okay, fitful applies to all aspects of life? Tell you you know so, But now a lot of it is just I don't say, like.

Hey, a quick decision like our basic tactic you know, executed quickly is usually better than an advanced tactic executed slowly or poorly. Though again, like you talk about just you know, playing pick up basketball, fill and flow, read and react, it all means the same thing. You have to have a lot of the figure out the fuck out mentalities you go. You still want to have your SOPs and you want abide by them, so you're not

From CB. What's your opinion on the MP seven.

I've heard comments from other Tier one guys that it's not liked and used as much at all.

Yeah, it's it was not I had one for years.

I carried it on a few ops, but there's just you heard horse stories from guys that if some guys had good success when they.

Had to use it, other guys did not.

And just the round itself, I think I think it could have been a little bit more up, you know, efficient, but like some of like the actual bullet designs you know, and ingrains would have been a little bit different.

But again, like this, it's such a.

Small market, like kind of talking with some of the ammunition manufacturers are like, you know, when we try to try to get additional, additional you know, rounds with the heavier grain bullets for that, just like guys man, there's only two units out there that's really using it. It's just it's not worth our time for we'd have to invest. So again, it was super lightweight, it was it was freaking so much fun to shoot. I'll give it that.

One more, what was your favorite rifle or gun while you were in the teams?

Yeah, so my H and K four sixteen will always be near and dear to my heart, just because you know, never never let me down when I needed it do or it was hoping it did not let me down.

I should say we got the noveskis.

I think in twenty gosh, what year was it, twenty seventy I was still in our assault squadron, so got the Noveskies. Those were definitely you know, a good upgrade, but again really didn't you know, really didn't get a chance to deploy that much with it.

Enjoyed the hell out of shooting it for sure.

That phenomenal guns like some of the other awesome you know American manufacturer you know AR companies, AR manufacturer companies are but I'd say, yeah, just the H and K four sixteen will always be near and dear to my heart, just because it was. It was the workhorse for the UH, for the tiers, for the Tier one organizations for many years during the height of the gquat.

That's it for questions. Try one more time. Let folks out there know where they can find you, where they can find your company.

Okay, absolutely, Yeah, So it's my website is uh three G Strategic Consultants dot com. This is exactly how it's listening spelled out. Also on Facebook, I do some stuff work related on there, but yeah, you just look at my name, Trey Lindsay, you know, should be able to send me a free request for Instagram.

I have Galloglass three G.

It has my company logo on there as well, so I do a lot of like, uh, you know, a lot of work work related obviously to the three G company on there. Also have a TSG Blade. You should be able to look that up on Instagram, but I haven't posted a whole lot. I'm waiting for our website to go live before we do kind of our official online launch, and then also for for Instagram v t L three. That's uh, you know, that's just my personal

Adding as well. So again, yeah, just if guys are interested in that, just three G merch dot com.

Awesome, Hey Trey, if you want, you can send us all those links and they will be in the description of this video in the show notes. So if you guys want to follow Trey or any or get some merch, check out the Knives anything.

The links are in the description.

Got it, Yeah, say so?

The on the on the Knife website, it's gonna be We already owned the doname. It's gonna be TSG blades dot com. It's just not live yet. We're having our web designer do the do the final kind of a you know, e commerce, you know.

All the stuff. He's gotta do it. But definitely sorry. TSG Blades on Instagram.

You'll be able to follow me there, and then TSG Blades you know dot com will hopefully be live within the next week or two and we'll be able to start taking orders online.

Awesome, man, Well, Trey, thank you for doing this interview and spending some time with us this evening. Really appreciate it. Man.

Oh likewise, brother, I appreciate y'all have me on.

Like like I mentioned before, we gotta we gotta start hanging out more than once a year.

Work like that.

You're You're welcome up here anytime, man, and come smoke cigars together.

That's awesome. Yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, like J Man's actually coming down here in a uh in in June.

For a bit, you know, Okay, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I was.

Saying, just just going out there and you can get a little, you know, get away for a quick, little bros trip. He's coming on Thursday evening. We're gonna be doing some shooting and uh hanging out on that Friday. Then he's leaving Saturday morning first thing.

So just out there.

Yeah, I know, I might have to work that in there sometime this year. Yeah, thanks again, Frey, and uh for everyone else out there, We'll see you again next time. Thanks for joining us. And hey, don't forget to check out the Patreon. There's links to in the description as always, so we'll see you guys next time.

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