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Introducing a new podcast called Eyes On with Andy Milburn & Jason Lyons, where we talk about geopolitics and international news.
Today we're talking about the drone attack on the US military base on the border of Syria in Jordan that resulted in 3 US servicemembers deaths. We talk about how the US can respond without escalating the situation into a regional war.

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Why everyone. Today's a big day because Jason and I, who were former Team House groupies, have now been elevated to running our own podcast. We're still on the so at the little table, you know, forty minutes, but the you know, in all seriousness, this podcast is meant to complement its big and more sophisticated brother, the Team House. I know that we're probably not used to hearing the term the team House and sophisticated rolled up in

the same sentence, but it's all relative. So in a moment, we're going to introduce ourselves. I'm going to talk a little bit, very briefly about what this podcast is about. Okay, and there's a lot of things it's not. It's not a part of an echo chamber. Is two guys who are reasonably well informed from their background, the experience, but most importantly, I hope have enough emotional intelligence between us not to not to let this

just become a you know again, echo chamber and reciting match. So for me, I'm Andy, as I said, longtime, longtime Teamhouse groupie and former marine, former founder of the Mozart group, now washed up doing podcasts for Ford Talking. Actually, I'm very thrilled to be doing so, Jaysonovid you Thanks Andy. I'm Jason. I'm also a longtime Teamhouse fan. Jack and I go back to our days when I worked for him writing for Soft

Rep and we've stayed friends ever since. Met Dave at the Teamhouse as well, and you know, I've been a guest a few times on there, co hosted once and I have a background for marine ten years, worked in nuclear security and then did eight years at CIA or Central Intelligence Agency. And I'm happy to be here and see where we go with this, right and then for all women listeners in particular, d I'm Dmitri. Yeah, that's

why I'm here for the sex appeal. I'm Dmitri. I'm the producer of the Team House, and I think this is gonna be a fun show. I was a huge fan of when you guys were on the show. I

think you guys did a great job guest hosting the show. And uh, you know, we were sitting around like what would make sense in terms of a vertical for the Teamhouse, because we really try to showcase our guests, would be something that's more topical, more current events driven, you know, in terms of geopolitics, less so domestic current events, and I think you two guys would make like a perfect team. The two marine thing I did not. That's like a happy accident. I guess you can call it.

It wasn't on purpose. You know. Hopefully you guys don't blow it too bad. Well, yeah, I mean, at least are you bring our collective IQ up at least to room temperature? Hey, so you know we've already blown for you a few minutes here. They typically the episode is going to be about forty to forty five minutes, so about about the length of

a commute or a PT session. And today to jump right into it, of course, the elephant in the room is the ah the much expected and assumed to be imminent retaliation strikes that the that the President and the administration had been talking about delivering against Iran and or proxies and retaliation or the hit by a drone on Tower twenty two. Jason, what do you do you are you familiar with Tower twenty two? I am not. I can actually say that I'm the broad area. I have a little bit of knowledge, but

Tower twenty two I have been trying to catch up on. Okay, cool, all right, I planted that question on Jason. So that so that we can talk a little bit about Tower twenty two without appearing to be too much of a diversion for the more cognizanti among our guests. Okay, so Tower twenty two is a it's a it's an extremely small If I use the term base, then you know, I grant I make it so much granded that it is. It is a combat outposts essentially just within the Jordanian border,

kind of in the triborder area between the rack Syria and Jordan. It's only about six miles for instance, from the Iraqi border and around the same actually to the Syrian border. Now it's it's a bit of a shithole. And you may have this hasn't been used coverage of it yet from the of the drone strink, but what we are hearing is that it hit a you

accommodation Carter is Now that that makes it sound too grand. I will tell you that that accommodation quarters not only last time I was there, which was you know, three years ago, but I'm told even up to until now was it was nothing like one might expect. But it was heavily sandbagged, and you know there was there were bunkers available, and all of the all of the above. It's very easy after an occasion like this to start,

you know, to talk about all the things that went wrong. So typically there's about three hundred and fifty guys there, three hundred to three hundred and fifty. That hasn't changed much since we the United States started using Tower twenty two and late twenty fourteen. And the reason why we use it, the reason why we have a garrison there is simply to supply another come at our post called our tenth, which is twenty kimeters twelve miles into Syria. I'm

almost directly north actually a little bit northwest. Now Our tenth is extremely important to the United States. It's manned by a very small garrison typically in soft terms and AO B company of M s F guys plus a collection of Indigenous Indigenous soldiers and Indigenous force Syrians and Andy, what does AOB mean? Yeah you're here? Yeah, there was a company level heads. You know what? Uh, you know what? The army SF community is gonna just kill

me. Alpha the Bravo something operating based Bravo, right, AOB? What does he A stand for? Alpha? No? God? You know what Okay, I'm going to be lambassed listeners. You're talking about two marines, but I'll remember what AOB stands for. But essentially it is an army SF company. Is it an advanced operating based Yeah? Is that you know what? We've already gonna have like five thousand emails front, yes, okay, right in the right in the comments they get taken off. Yeah, let

me continue anyway. Al Tam all right, you know all together, and numbers there vary, but it's seldom above two hundred dudes. Now TAMP has

been manned around the same time since twenty fifteen. The reason why Al Tamp is important and the reason why we have a small garrison of Special Obersions troops there, which is a great example by the way of self achieving strategic effect, is because of its location, all right, not just near the Trient border region, but it's lies astride the old bad Dad Damascus Highway which is

now which is now a weapons running route. And and you know what, you've heard this term used many times part of the land bridge, right that that line has pretty much the facto established between or you know, all the way to the sea across a rock in Syria. So our tamp is important. It's a it's a it's a fall in the side of our of the Syrian regime. It's a fall in the side obviously of Uranians and Russians there too, But it's of great importance to the US. And because of that

Tower twenty two is important. And why are they all there? While they're there? Partly, of course, I mean presence in Syria, which is pretty h the most volatile we thought the most volatile place until it's Rother talk about price recently. But more importantly, you know, keep an eye on the Islamic state, but also keep an eye on our on on you know, the other bad rather adversarial actors in Syria, namely Russia and Iran.

All right, and you know, again when talking about light footprint, heavy footprint, I think how tamph is exactly you know, well, it's kind of the what we are seeing across the world and we will continue to see increasingly as far as US presence, a very light footprint, not a not

not in a typical way. Tason back to you, any any you know, any anything to to add or ask deep before I go on to I can talk a little bit about the tach itself and what happened afterwards est as far so I, you know, me, I look at things from an intelligence perspective, and where would what would I be thinking? Not necessarily from the President on down, but at least from the the ambassador, from that

regional you know, command area on down. Uh. And for me, as soon as I got the word that this is happening as a as an intelligence agency, I would want to spool up my assets and want to know we have an idea. You know, the the the media is saying it's Iran. We pretty much know it is, but I would want to know solid concrete evidence that it's Iran. So I'd be spoiling my assets. Who did it? What was that the actual target? What was the endgame here?

You know, try to get those kind of things quite answered so that when the President and Joint chiefs and everyone else are brief that they have all the information. And uh. The reason why this show is called eyes on is because we have you know, you have eyes on the target. We have eyes on who we think it is. But until we have solid intel, that's all it is. So that's the kind of stuff that I would want to be pushing. Yeah, I mean that that's a great that's a

really good point. Glad to hear it, Jason, and I love I'll bring in one of Jack's favorite terms that you know, when you when you have a gallery of people howling for uh, you know, hewling for blood and willing to expend the last drop of other people's blood on the American side to deferther the cause. You know it, all of us get a get a little concerned, you know, without being snowflakes. Right, but I think, well, I do know you know what you say is exactly right.

I mean, it's corroboration and it's removal a plausible deniability from Iran that's in order to strike into Iran and or even you know Iranian targets goods force, which we've already done many times Iraqan. But to do it again then certainly we need that kind of that smoking gun. K not not. I mean, it's interesting. Peddicon spokesman said this had the hallmarks of kh very

good. Yeah, Katar has follow nothing to do with Big Daddy has followed and Lebanon katas followed, is a a pro Iranean militia Because you've seen you know, you've seen a group that no one's ever heard of before, right the I forget what it was, the Islamic Resistance, whatever it was, the Army claiming responsibility. But you know, if you've got a Pentagon spokesman mentioning k H and saying it has the hallmarks of you can bet that there's

some intelligence. But you know that wasn't that wasn't a throwaway line, so you know what I mean. And I just say, I just want to talk a little bit about after math of the attack, because I'm not sure this was in the media. So about an hour after the attack on Tower twenty two, and you can imagine, you know, the absolute pandemonium there. I mean, these guys were not I mean, the Army reserve is certainly not. It's not the same as if a drone had hit our tank.

Let me it that way, you know, it's it must have been very confusing. Well, and another attack, another drone, some of the type suspected Iranian made. Not not quite a loitering munition, not that sophisticated, but it was a you know, it was a one way suicide drone gave me to attack out tap and was destroyed, all right, by one of the anti drone systems they had there. I think it was a coyote. It's a Raythian system. Apparently it's pretty I've heard it's pretty effective.

But if anyone out there has heard differently, please, you know, please pile in. Which is a kind of a good news story. But but my point being this was obviously was it was a very well, you know, it was a planned attack, and and it was you know, it wasn't just a lucky shot from from some dude in The attack came from within

Iraq. We know that much. So it is conceivable certainly that it was kh And when people talk about the hallmarks of cage, you know, it would be not just the type of drone which was at Iranian manufacture, but it would be various other things, even down perhaps to the operators who used it. So to be interesting to see now, Jason, you know, in answer to when you were talking about, yeah, right right on target. That's it's very easy in kind of the silence after after the strike.

You know that that stun silence for people to be howling in that vacuum. So we need to do this or that. It's much more difficult to be in a leadership position, remembering that you you know, you're at the helm of the United States. It has to be seen to act in a way that is in constlet with US law. Yes, I know that seldom happens, but that you know, that is what's going on. And the challengehip course is the you know, the smoking gun is intent, right, and

did the Iranians intent for this to happen. That's what the Ranians would like to assume. But the smoking gun is the fact that Iran has supplied has made these organizations capable of these attacks in the first place. Right. Intent is icing on the cape could have you know, Coos Force, could have foreseen that their prodigas would want to you know, exercise control of their weapons

by themselves sooner or later. Absolutely, And I think something else to think about too is the uh, the tangible benefits to Iran of this attack like this. I mean, yes, you get the you know, you have the debts and wounding of US service personnel, you have the the United States looking at its vulnerability in the area. You have them now you know, people within the US government and otherwise questioning administration and response to all this stuff.

But they also have the benefit of turning the world attention away from their own internal Iran's internal issues, that terrorism that they're you know, all of that stuff. So something to think about. Yeah, Jason, really a

really good point. So you know, when we're talking about striking back, and again, you know there's the there there would be warriors who who say, yeah, we should strike white into Iran itself, okay, and there's a I'm not you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't say a blanket no to that, but I would say there's some You've got to bear in mind some things. One thing is, you know, the Persian mentality, very proud people. They they do have a history to prove, recent history of dissent.

But if you strike Iran, you're going to watch everyone unite behind the regime, which is exactly the same. Yeah, so we've got to you know, it's I'm not I'm not saying obviously, hey, that's too high a price, but we've got to understand that that is the price. Right, just as in the same way as when we hit SOLEMANI we knew likely

that US servicemen would die in retaliation. Right, It's going to be a deliberate decision and that, yeah, and so, and you know there are I mean, I think it's such a trikeliche saying we have a range of options. But there are a range of options, but they have to be imaginative. We can't do more of the same, right, what is more of the same. We have conducted I think eight strikes. I'm not counting

Yemen. I'm just talking Iran and Iraq and Syria since October the seventh right to include two in which we specifically targeted IRGC personnel, both in Syria on I believe it was eight and twelve of November. So there are precedents. Right, We've already killed Iranians in Iraq and Syria. We have not killed Iranians in Iraq in Iran itself. In fact, the last time we killed Iranians that were not in Iran Syria was nineteen eighty eight as part of an

operation called Praying Mantis. And so my point is simply this, this is a big precedent. It's not simply okay, hey, let's do this. And you know why we haven't done that because there is some kind of an unspoken understanding between the Iranians and the US on this are what are the real red lines, okay, and US and striking Iranian homeland is one of those

red lines. And that is why the United States has been a conciliatory or had a conciliatory effect on Israel whenever Israel goes on the war path demanding war with Iran. So we'll see, you know. But when I say range of options, and you know, it's got to be it's got to escalate it beyond what we've done so far. So what could that be? Well, it could be a comprehensive strike right erad Syria, but also the Persian Gulf, Iranian naval assets, who knows, maybe infrastructure in the Persian Gulf

right which would also you know, have an economic impact on Iran. When I say strikes, I mean if there is a smoking grind connecting the drone with you know, with ILGC, as I'm sure there is, then then then removing IRGC capability or severely diminishing not just lacking one or two dudes, but I mean going after kingpins and facilities and infrastructure in such a manner that we prevent the IRGC from being able to operate effectively over a period of time.

Okay, that's that's a reasonable expectation and it and it hurts Iran and it gives us a sense of possible done. Well were they doing there anyway? You say, you know, and it keeps us on the moral high ground. And there's you know, as you guys know, there's a there's a whole welter of other stuff we do in the cyber realm that that doesn't

even get noticed or talked about. The dumb thing to do would be to, you know, to to go all hands out and send tens of thousands of troops out to the Middle East where they provide just a greater effective target for the Iranians. The other dumb thing to do would be to withdraw troops from the Middle East, right we you know, as I said, the pattern that we should maintain that is, you know, light footprint bass similar

to our time for Tower twenty two. Obviously well fortified, secure, armed with mostly i mean man most of the soft guys, but not mostly soft guys, as there are in those soft needs. Soft needs conventional horses in order to operate and survives, so conventional forces there are support with soft doing the operations. You have minimal risks there and you have the prettiest potential for strategic effect. Of course, the Iraqis are going to pretty decide what our

footprint is pretty soon within Iraq. You guys said that. That was one of the questions I wanted to ask, was what happens with that like tentative deal of us getting out of Iraq that they announced? Kind of does that, you know, uh, throw our wrench in that? Are you going to stay in Iraq in terms of like soft or whatever, and something makes

it more difficult for us? Right and as far as containment containing Iranian influence, but we weren't doing that pretty tall but doing that anyway, I mean, we weren't containing Iranian influence by having military guys there, so I you know, yeah, obviously I'm not I'm not dismissing our dismissal from Iraq as being unimportant. What I am saying, of course, you know, is that that we can we can accomplish the mission from other places where we know

we so quick. I got a question, like a laming question, what does it look like? Does it just look like more air strikes more often? Is it? Is it setding like you know, two hundred rangers in adulta squadron to go smoke, you know, command and control guys, like, what does it look like in terms of our response from the head on Tower twenty two? I mean, I'm sorry to take go ahead. What do you do? You know? I mean, I mean you're you're a

little bit closer to the strategic military response than I am. But I would think that for right now, what you don't really you don't fix what's not broken. The air strikes are working, and we're hitting the targets that we want to hit and killing the people we want to kill for lack of a better term, and and it's all going to depend on we hit what does Iran do? We hit what does Iran do? It's just I think it's

going to depend on that. But I think all that other stuff you mentioned, the soft teams, the ranger battalions, all that stuff, that's all brewing underneath, and they're ready to go. I'm sure staged and ready to go, or at least the word has come down be ready to go.

But I think because we've set the president, and this is my opinion, set the president already between the who thi's and the strikes that we've done in Iraq, and all I think we might keep that up for a little bit and wait and see what I Ran is the government's going to do, and something else. To piggyback on what you're saying, Andy, it made me think about another benefit quote unquote for Iran is the entity that would be willing to go into Iran and has proven that they would do it, which is

Israel. They've got their own stuff going on, so we can't necessarily call on them, not saying that we won't, not saying that they can't, but it would appear that right now they're tied up, you know, with

what's going on in Gaza. So you know, that's another thing that not necessarily take off the table, but it's something we may say, Okay, we'll have to keep that to the side, you know, until the Israelis you know, give us the green light that they can do it, the the in in you know, just to piggyback on what Jason said, and I agree, Yeah, the strikes are largely I mean when I say working that that's certainly hurting that Iran I would imagine. But when I talk about

a difference an escalation, I mean synchronizing strikes to remove a capability. I mean, think about what we've been doing simply before, is you know, we something is done against us, and we retaliate, but it's a proportional retaliation, right, and then we de escalate, you know, we kind of say, okay, that was it, you know, don't don't fuck around again, or we'll do it, only it'll be worse next time.

Right, this time we need to ramp, you know, we we really need to hurt Iran's capability, all right, it's ability to control those proxies, to to have an effect on those proxies. We're hitting right at the right at the point that hurt us, right, We're not you know, we're not going through some esoteric route or sanctioning and all of that, right, I mean, yes, we do. We continue to do that,

but that okay, it's not about just strikes. It's about what are those strikes doing, how they're coordinated and timed that that could have a different effect when you talk about and again I don't find you know, people chime in on this today disagree, But when when we're going against a state actor, are the roles that soft play obviously change? Right? So it's I mean,

it's very little door kicking and grabbing people. The door kicking is normally involved in kinetic strikes where you use soft and normally involved in taking out key infrastructure where there is fear of colladal damage if we go in with strikes or for some other Okay, if you think through a little bit and you can think of the types of infrastructure that might involve, right, and you know, doubtless, again, I don't have any I don't have any inswer.

No one's letting me into on the intel on this. I promise you guys wouldn't. So this is all speculation. Yes, So can I like another question? So yeah, So that's what I was gonna say, Like they have to be I'm assuming their CIA and covert stuff is going to be a big factor in this, right because I assume you so you want to hurt their capabilities. You want to hurt like how they supply their proxies with equipment,

whether it's drones or AMMO or money or whatever. So I'm assuming the CIA is going to have a hand in like hitting them there, which I'm sure they already do Anyway. Yeah, I think people just want right now because like their especially the Twitter people, they want things to be blowing up again. We want to see some skyline shots of things blowing up, and it's I don't know if that's exactly the right way of doing one thing. It won't be for sure, I'm well, I hope not will be.

You know, a similar series of strikes simply against Tatar Paswama. I mean because because the problem is more fundamental and endemic than that. We know that, and it's part of the same problem that's that's resulted in strikes on forty cargo ships on the Red Seat in the last three months, and not a single one of those was bound for Israel, you know. I mean, there was all kinds of weird stories invented to attack these ships, but that

is that's significant too. I mean, twelve percent of the world shipping passes through the Barbauman debt the band the ban as you you probably heard. So yeah, it's it is time to take action. But it's going to be imaginative, right, I mean, it really does. It's not We're beyond the era of compit bombing countries since thinking that it's taught them anything. And as we talked about, it's just simply going to drive Iran. It's going

to unite Iran. Yeah, I have one more question. Yeah, ever since October seventh, and like Israel has been hidden back on Gaza and Hamas, have these incidences spiked up with Iranian proxies whether obviously the Huthi's Yes, it's spiked up. But like I'm talking like in Syria hits on US. Yeah, one hundred and sixty attacks on US troops basis since seven October.

That is meaningless number unless you compare it to before. And I can't give you exact numbers many times, many times, the numbers of the tacks over the previous the number of taxes three months. So so would part of the strategy of retaliating against US getting hit in Iranian proxies is trying to rein back

Israel a little bit in Gaza? Yes, certainly so, I would imagine, and you know what, whatever again, I mean, we'll talk more about this is I think I think Jason and my stance is probably going to be on there, say, look where we're bipartisan or a political but we do criticize dumb policy and when we see dumb policy regardless, right, Otherwise this becomes an anodyne pablom show. But but my point here is that it's

not easy. Yes to chart a of course be us Netnia who is whacked right, and yet we are hitched to his wagon, and for for all kinds of reasons that you guys understand very politically hitch to his wagon, regardless

of the administration. But but we have this guy who's leading us, right, he's leading us into a bad place, and and we're watching, we're facing I mean, we used to to not being a popular, not being popular in parts of the country, but we're being heavily criticized, even by our allies, and that should cause us to pause and think, right,

regardless, that's that's that's good policy to do that. But but yes, and and answer your question, dah I. At the same time, behind the scenes, I'm sure that I know there's a good deal of pressure taking place and mill to mill too about trying to cut down on casualties. And I'll make a controversial actually, i won't make a controversial statement at all at all, because I'm still awaiting full permission to visit to visit God of Gaza for my book. Multi follow on that. Oh yeah, And at the

end of the day, Iran's gonna Iran. So they've proven historically that they don't necessarily operate in a vacuum. They want some sort of a conflict or some sort of an an issue where they can operate. Now they can insert themselves. Whether that was in the in the goal for in Iraq when we went into Iraq, and now look at the issues that are happening, it's always conflicts, some sort of issue where they insert themselves. So whatever Netanyahu

does, Iran has already taken full advantage of what's going on now. So I think that that's going to continue for the foreseeable future. So I think we say, if I'm if I'm the president, which nobody wants. If I'm the president, you got to let all that external noise go and say, okay, we'll talk to you in a minute. Now we got to handle what's going on now. Our three people are dead. We have to respond to it. So I think that it can be done. People are

very black or white. You know, either you're all in or you're not in at all. And I don't think that that's how you should go. How we should govern, how we should our military should respond, Like you know, Andy's been talking about we have there's layers to it. You know, we don't have to go all in you know, glass parking lot. We also don't have to, like you said, pull everybody out and say,

okay, it's yours. You know, we can we can layer our responses up to a point where we think that we're pushing too far and we're going to cross the line that's going to result in an all out regional war, and then we can we don't have to necessarily step back. We just stop, you know, like we didn't first go for we stopped, you know, short of you know, running into Iraq and just you know running ripshot in there, and we we just stopped. And we have that capability.

We just have to you know, the administration and for future administration because this is I don't believe that this is gonna stop once, you know,

whether Biden's re elected or not. I believe that whoever is in charge needs to just cut out the external noise and all the crap on social media and you know, all that stuff and just lead, you know, listen to your military leaders and you know, move forward that way on a Yeah, I mean I had one hundred percent, Jason, I couldn't agree more at the you know, the strategic level, and then you know, at the way down at the tactical level. It makes me think about our vulnerabilities,

you know, within the soft community. I mean think about you know, there have been six very high profile US deaths overseas since twenty seventeen. Okay, I mean that's not but I mean, well two incidents right three in Nize are twenty seventeen, and then the three hair where US SOFT support personnel or person that I mean personnel supporting US SOFT were targeted and killed. And I think that's something we've got to be wary of in the future, you

know. I mean there's a reason why Tower twenty two was targeted, and there's probably a reason why the drone got through at Tower twenty two and didn't get through, you know, in Tower tamp Our TAMF was on combat footing and it was mined with soft personnel. Tower twenty two was part of Jordan Hill. I mean, you know, an hour or so away you can get a beer and have a good time. It didn't feel like a war footing. These guys were you know, reservists, and they were engineers,

not combine engine is. So you know. My point is that, yeah, we've got gaping vulnerabilities out there across the Middle East, even with a light footprint, and and it isn't our soft guys who are going to be taking the brunt of these attacks. And we need to be we need we need to harden ourselves and really look at that soft part of our footprint going

ahead. I got a question about Tyer twenty two. Did you guys see like some of the twitter like it is on Twitter, most like the report saying that it got hit because they tailed a friendly drone into there and they got in under that. I feel like, is that did you hear? Is that true? I can't say conclusively it's true that came I guess from I don't know where it came from, you know, supposedly from guys on the base. De Pengegon didn't deny that, but there's an investigation going on,

obviously, I mean, think about it. I'm not done I get at all, but that. But here's what I think happened, because I've seen this many times. Jason Briley has too. You know, people put people see things happen. Then probably a US you know, a drone did return and then shortly after the attack occurred, and people put two and two together. But it's actually very difficult to locate and follow a drone, all right, and it doesn't really make I mean, it isn't you know,

It isn't that easy. And it's hard to imagine them having done that and slipped through the air defenses that way. But they did get through air defenses, so they did, you know, they managed it somehow, and that's that's what the investigation should try and uncover. Why why did the you know what what succeeded in Tower twenty I mean outa that that failed in Tower twenty two. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I don't. I can't.

I'm not a drone guy, so I can't say that, you know, they were able to uh follow the track of the returning ux drone anything as possible. It just doesn't at this point doesn't seem likely. But like Andy said, you know, I think the key is what worked at you know, at the sawpace that didn't work here, you know, and vice versa. You know. So that's I think that's we won't know the full story, if we know the full story, for probably months, you know,

to come and in the interim as they're finding things out. I'm sure that that intel is getting out to other bases, you know, as Andy spoke on to Harden, you know, their defenses. So because it's gonna it's gonna keep happening, They're gonna keep testing these waters till it doesn't work and then they'll try something else. All right. Yeah, that that's that that sum set up beautifully, Jason. So you know at this point, I mean, way, we don't. We don't want these two to over run.

So we'll bring this to a to a graceful close. So if you were a betting man, when would you expect the strikes to go in? Jason? What do you expect to see? Me? Personally? I'm thinking probably by this coming weekend. I don't I mean, we had the assets in place to do it, So what they are exactly, I don't know, but I think we have the capability to launch the miss probably before this weekend. But I would say we will start hearing about it probably by this

coming weekend. Their thoughts, Yeah, next three to four days probably, right, I mean we have to respond with it, to show response, and I mean I would put money on Okay, so I would put money on this Okay, multiple IRGC directed strikes simultaneous or rob Syria, but also Iranian naval assets in the Yeah, Iranian naval assets and potentially two if they look if they locate this factory, which isn't gonna be difficult to do.

If there is a strike into Iran itself, I would guess that it would be going after that factory because that's very that you know, obviously that's relevant, but it's also very easy to compound mentalize in terms of their slation. Absolutely, I would bet that they don't hit Iran like my RAN's mainland. I could see them small like blowing up container ship or two that's heading to like im In or wherever. Bucks. Yeah, I'm in. I'll bet that No, no inside of Iran, but I could see them blowing up

a ship because that is something we've never seen before. Bring cash with you on the twenty, No problem, I'll have it. I'll hold the money. Yeah, all right, guys. Any closing comments, Dan, what do you you've got an email at us for us right? Uh? For eyes for eyes on now, not yet, but we will have an email address for that. I mean I'm assuming so like if anyone has like questions and stuff like that. They can they can email the Teamhouse podcast at gmail

dot com. You know, you can also write them in the comments and the comments might get lost in the sauce, but oh man, it's like get those clowns off their No, yeah, they'll be they'll be okay. And especially like you know, don't tell you know, we got to tell people to like subscribe, uh, check out the Patreon check out, tell your friends about this, whether you listen to it on Spotify or Apple rated five stars and review it on Apple. That helps to so getting get engaged.

Yeah, yeah, all of the above. So and I mean on the on the email out of this. What what we really want to do is spend I don't know, five minutes, ten minutes maybe at the end of every episode going through just a handful of input from from the listeners, watchers, audience. And notice they said, you know, not just questions, free to meet comments and we will comment on your comments. So please do and uh yeah great,

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