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Episodes

Online Lives, Space and Place: Exploring the Mobile City

Over the last two decades, as Berlin reinvented itself as a "creative city," social media both mirrored and shaped shifting social landscapes—offering new possibilities while also reinforcing inequalities. How did digital media practices reshape urban life? And what can Berlin’s story tell us about the broader relationship between technology, culture, and the places we live? Today’s guest is Jordan H. Kraemer , the author of a new book that tries to answer these questions and more. It's called M...

Feb 09, 202536 min

A National Heist? Evaluating Elon Musk’s March Through Washington

As Donald Trump ’s second presidency enters its third week, Elon Musk is center stage as the Department of Government Efficiency moves to gut federal agencies. In this episode,  Justin Hendrix  speaks with two experts who are following these events closely and thinking about what they tell us about the relationship between technology and power: David Kaye , a professor of law at the University of California Irvine and formerly the UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression, and Yaë...

Feb 09, 202545 min

The Dangerous Combination of Technology and Capitalism

Justin Hendrix speaks with Jathan Sadowski , a senior lecturer in the Faculty of Information Technology at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia; co-host of This Machine Kills , a weekly podcast on technology and political economy; and author of the new book The Mechanic and the Luddite: A Ruthless Criticism of Technology and Capitalism from the University of California Press....

Feb 02, 202544 min

DeepSeek Prompts a Rethink

If Chinese AI startup DeepSeek’s efficiency and performance achievements stand up to scrutiny, it could have big implications for the AI race. It could call into question the strategic approach that the biggest US firms appear to be taking and the wisdom of the current American policy approach to AI. To discuss these issues, Justin Hendrix spoke to Karen Hao , a reporter who covers AI. In recent years, she's reported on China and tech for the Wall Street Journal, written about AI for The Atlanti...

Jan 28, 202524 min

Evaluating Trump's First Moves on Tech

From Executive Orders on AI and cryptocurrency to "ending federal censorship," President Donald Trump had a busy first week in the White House. Justin Hendrix discussed the news with Damon Beres , a senior editor at  The Atlantic,  where he oversees the technology section. Beres wrote a piece reflecting on Trump's inauguration titled "Billions of People in the Palm of Trump’s Hand."...

Jan 26, 202532 min

What's New at RightsCon? And How to Free Our Feeds

This episode features two segments. First, we hear from  Nikki Gladstone , director of  Rightscon , the annual conference organized by Access Now on issues at the intersection of human rights and technology. And in the second, you’ll hear from Robin Berjon and Sean McDonald , two of the folks behind Free Our Feeds , a new effort to raise a public interest foundation that will work to support making Bluesky’s underlying tech (the AT Protocol) resistant to billionaire capture....

Jan 19, 202531 min

The Dumbest Timeline: The Supreme Court Rules on TikTok

Today- Friday, January 17, 2025 - the US Supreme Court delivered its order  upholding the constitutionality of the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, a law passed by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden in April 2024. The Court found that the Act, which effectively bans TikTok in the US unless its Chinese parent company, ByteDance, sells it, does not violate the First Amendment rights of TikTok, its users, or creators. The decision clears the...

Jan 18, 202537 min

Addressing the "Cursed Equilibrium" of Social Media Algorithms

Last fall, Cornell University PhD candidate Cristiana Firullo gave a presentation at the Trust and Safety Research Conference at Stanford University during a session on understanding algorithms and online environments. Titled "The Cursed Equilibrium of Algorithmic Traumatization," the talk focused on the work Firullo is doing with her colleagues at Cornell to try to understand why social media recommendation systems may produce harmful effects on users. Audio reporter Rebecca Rand spoke to Firul...

Jan 12, 202511 min

What to Watch on US State Tech Policy in 2025

Even as the new year ushers in a new administration and Congress in the US at the federal level, dozens of states are kicking off new legislative sessions and are expected to pursue various tech policy goals. Justin Hendrix spoke to three experts to get a sense of the trends unfolding across the states on the regulation of AI, privacy, child online safety, and related issues: Keir Lamont , senior director at the Future of Privacy Forum (FPF) and author of The Patchwork Dispatch , a newsletter on...

Jan 05, 202541 min

Imagining 2025 and Beyond with Dr. Ruha Benjamin

This week’s guest is Dr. Ruha Benjamin , Alexander Stewart 1886 Professor of African American Studies at Princeton University and Founding Director of the IDA B. WELLS Just Data Lab . Benjamin was recently named a 2024 MacArthur Fellow , and she’s written and edited multiple books, including 2019’s Race After Technology and 2022’s Viral Justice . Last week she joined Justin Hendrix to discuss her latest book, Imagination: A Manifesto , published this year by WW Norton & Company....

Dec 22, 202440 min

How to Remedy Google's Search Monopoly

This close to the end of 2024, it’s clear that one of the most significant tech stories of the year was the outcome of the Google search antitrust case. It will also make headlines next year and beyond as the remedies phase gets worked out in the courts. For this episode, Justin Hendrix turns the host duties over to someone who has looked closely at this issue: Alissa Cooper , the Executive Director of the  Knight-Georgetown Institute (KGI). Alissa hosted a conversation with three individua...

Dec 15, 202458 min

Towards Resilience: A Conversation with Kate Starbird About the Future of Online Elections Discourse

Kate Starbird is a professor in the Department of Human Centered Design & Engineering and director of the Emerging Capacities of Mass Participation Laboratory at the University of Washington, and co-founder of the University of Washington's Center for an Informed Public. Justin Hendrix interviewed her about her team’s ongoing efforts to study online rumors, including during the 2024 US election; the differences between the left and right media ecosystems in the US; and how she believes the r...

Dec 08, 202433 min

Petra Molnar on Migration in the Age of Artificial Intelligence

Mass migration presents a challenge to democracy in multiple ways. Chief among them is that anti-immigrant sentiment often plays a major role in the advance of illiberal and anti-democratic politics. We've seen this play out in the United States, where President-elect Donald Trump has promised a dramatic crackdown on immigration and the mass deportation of millions. But the scale of today's migration may be dwarfed by what's to come. How has the movement of people affected the politics driving t...

Dec 08, 202433 min

Robert Gorwa Tackles the Politics of Platform Regulation

Robert Gorwa is the author of a new book titled The Politics of Platform Regulation: How Governments Shape Online Content Moderation , published by Oxford University Press. (The book is available open access- download a free copy here .) It is an analysis of how and why governments around the world engage in platform regulation. The lessons he draws from case studies of key regulatory developments in Europe, the United States, New Zealand, and Australia help explain the adoption of different reg...

Dec 01, 202443 min

Evan Greer Asks the Tech Accountability Movement to Draw a Line

At its November 21st "Summit of the Future of the Internet," billionaire Frank McCourt's Project Liberty hosted a panel discussion featuring Congresswoman Nancy Mace , a Republican from South Carolina, on a panel with Congressman Ro Khanna , a Democrat from California, that was moderated by the media personality Charlemagne the God . Last month, Congresswoman Mace led an effort to ban transgender women from using female bathrooms at the US Capitol in response to the election of Sarah McBride , w...

Dec 01, 202428 min

Documenting the Assault on Disinformation and Hate Speech Research

During his recent campaign, President-elect Donald Trump made various promises consistent with the ongoing effort by Elon Musk and MAGA Republicans to target researchers and civil society groups that study issues such as propaganda and mis- and disinformation. Today's guest has looked deeply at this effort, conducting an analysis of over 1800 pages of primary documents to identify the strategic approaches employed by these parties, including the House Judiciary Select Subcommittee on the Weaponi...

Nov 24, 202430 min

The Race for AI Supremacy

Parmy Olson is a Bloomberg Opinion columnist covering technology regulation, artificial intelligence, and social media. Her new book , Supremacy: AI, ChatGPT, and the Race that Will Change the World tells a tale of rivalry and ambition as it chronicles the rush to exploit artificial intelligence. The book explores the trajectories of Sam Altman and Demis Hassabis and their roles in advancing artificial intelligence, the challenges posed by corporate power, and the extraordinary economic stakes o...

Nov 17, 202439 min

Salvation, Abundance, Apocalypse: Is Technology the World's Most Powerful Religion?

These days, if you see someone with their head bowed, you’re much more likely observing them staring into their phone than in prayer. But from digital rituals to the promises of abundance from Silicon Valley elites, has technology become the world’s most powerful religion? What kinds of promises of salvation and abundance are its leaders making? And how can thinking about technology in this way help us generate ways to reform our approach to it, particularly if we aim to restore humanist princip...

Nov 10, 202448 min

What Kafka Can Teach Us About Privacy in the Age of AI

Today’s guest is Boston University School of Law professor  Woodrow Hartzog , who, with the George Washington University Law School's Daniel Solove,  is one of the authors of a recent paper that explored the novelist Franz Kafka’s worldview as a vehicle to arrive at key insights for regulating privacy in the age of AI. The conversation explores why privacy-as-control models, which rely on individual consent and choice, fail in the digital age, especially with the advent of AI syst...

Nov 03, 202438 min

Are Platforms Prepared for the Post-Election Period?

On Tuesday, November 5th, the final ballots will be cast in the 2024 US presidential election. But the process is far from over. How prepared are social media platforms for the post-election period? What should we make of characters like Elon Musk, who is actively advancing conspiracy theories and false claims about the integrity of the election? And what can we do going forward to support election workers and administrators on the frontlines facing threats and disinformation? To help answer the...

Nov 02, 202445 min

What Role Might Elon Musk Play in the Post-Election Period?

If you’re trying to game out the potential role of technology in the post-election period in the US, there is a significant "X" factor. When he purchased the social media platform formerly known as Twitter, “Elon Musk didn’t just get a social network—he got a political weapon.” So says today’s guest, a journalist who is one of the keenest observers of phenomena on the internet: Charlie Warzel , a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of its newsletter Galaxy Brain . Justin Hendrix caught u...

Nov 02, 202453 min

Three Perspectives on Generative AI and Elections

In this episode, Justin Hendrix speaks with three researchers who recently published projects looking at the intersection of generative AI with elections around the world, including: Samuel Woolley, Dietrich Chair of Disinformation Studies at the University of Pittsburgh and one of the authors of a set of studies titled Generative Artificial Intelligence and Elections ; Lindsay Gorman, Managing Director and Senior Fellow of the Technology Program at the German Marshall Fund of the United States ...

Oct 27, 202440 min

Unpacking the Principles of the Digital Services Act with Martin Husovec

Martin Husovec  is an associate law professor at the London School of Economics and Political Science (LSE). He works on questions at the intersection of technology and digital liberties, particularly platform regulation, intellectual property and freedom of expression. He's the author of Principles of the Digital Services Act , just out from Oxford University Press. Justin Hendrix spoke to him about the rollout of the DSA, what to make of progress on trusted flaggers and out-of-court ...

Oct 27, 202448 min

Mary Anne Franks Challenges First Amendment Orthodoxy

In her new book , Fearless Speech: Breaking Free from the First Amendment , Dr. Mary Anne Franks challenges First Amendment orthodoxy and critiques “reckless speech,” which endangers vulnerable groups and protects corporate interests, in order to advance “fearless speech,” which seeks to advance equality and democracy....

Oct 20, 202447 min

Governing the Fediverse: A Field Study

A lot of folks frustrated with major social media platforms are migrating to alternatives like Mastodon and Bluesky, which operate on decentralized protocols. This summer, Erin Kissane  and  Darius Kazemi   released a report on the governance on fediverse microblogging servers and the moderation practices of the people who run them. Justin Hendrix caught up with Erin Kissane about their findings, including the emerging forms of diplomacy between different server operators, the typ...

Oct 20, 202446 min

Secure Messaging Apps and Election Integrity

With Sam Woolley , Mariana Olaizola Rosenblat and Inga K. Trauthig are authors of a new report from the NYU Stern Center for Business and Human Rights and the Propaganda Research Lab at the Center for Media Engagement at the University of Texas at Austin titled "Covert Campaigns: Safeguarding Encrypted Messaging Platforms from Voter Manipulation." Justin Hendrix caught up with them to learn more about how political propagandists are exploiting the features of encrypted messaging platforms to man...

Oct 20, 202438 min

Election Meddling, Censorship, and More Bad News in 2024 Freedom on the Net Report

The results in this year’s installment of the Freedom House Freedom on the Net report generally follow the same distressing trajectory as prior reports, marking a 14th consecutive year in declines in internet freedom around the world. But in this year of elections, the Freedom House analysts also identified a set of concerning phenomena related to this most fundamental act of democracy and how governments are asserting themselves, for better or worse. Justin Hendrix spoke to report authors Allie...

Oct 19, 202432 min

Independent Researchers and Journalists Mourn the Loss of CrowdTangle

In this episode, we're crashing a funeral... for CrowdTangle , a piece of software that allowed journalists and independent researchers to get insights into social media. Not our usual material, but this particular loss marks a huge blow in the ongoing fight for public access to data from the platforms, and underscores why we need to continue to fight for transparency. And the folks convened by the Knight-Georgetown Institute  and the Coalition for Independent Technology Research refused to...

Oct 18, 202426 min

From King James to Google: Barry Lynn on the Antitrust Revolution

Barry Lynn is the executive director of the Open Markets Institute in Washington DC and the author of this month's cover essay in Harper's titled " The Antitrust Revolution: Liberal democracy’s last stand against Big Tech ." Justin Hendrix spoke to him about his essay, about the remedy framework proposed by the US Department of Justice following the ruling in the Google search antitrust trial, and about what to anticipate for the antitrust movement following the 2024 US presidential election....

Oct 13, 202435 min

The Evolution of Online Political Advertising: A Conversation with Who Targets Me's Sam Jeffers

Today’s guest is Sam Jeffers , cofounder and executive director of Who Targets Me . Jeffers has spent several yearshas spent several years building a suite of capabilities to make political advertising more transparent, including tools for individuals and  data and support for academics, researchers and journalists . His organization also advocates for  better policy  from platforms, regulators and governments. (You can download the Who Targets Me browser extension to contrib...

Oct 11, 202430 min
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