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Researchers Defend the Scientific Consensus on Bias and Discrimination in AI

Last month, a group of researchers published a letter “Affirming the Scientific Consensus on Bias and Discrimination in AI.” The letter, published at a time when the Trump administration is rolling back policies and threatening research aimed at protecting people from bias and discrimination in AI, carries the signatures of more than 200 experts. To learn more about their goals, Justin Hendrix spoke to three of the signatories: J. Nathan Matias , an Assistant Professor in the Department of Commu...

Apr 16, 202519 min

A Guide to the FTC's Case Against Meta

On Monday, April 14, the US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) will kick off its trial against Meta . In process for years, the case is over whether Mark Zuckerberg’s company has an illegal monopoly over social media and whether it should be forced to spin off Instagram and WhatsApp. To prepare to cover the arguments, Tech Policy Press Associate Editor Cristiano Lima-Strong spoke to two experts to better understand the issues at play. William (Bill) Kovacic is a Professor of Law and Policy and Direc...

Apr 13, 202535 min

What We Don't Know About DSA Enforcement

On April 4, The New York Times reported that the European Commission is considering finding X, formerly Twitter, as part of its ongoing DSA investigation, which began in 2023. Tech Policy Press has discussed at length the extent and quality of transparency from platforms under the DSA, but there is limited insight into how the Commission is conducting its investigations into large online platforms and search engines. In most cases, the publicly available documents on cases are just press release...

Apr 08, 202530 min

DOGE and the United States of AI

Across the United States and in some cities abroad yesterday, protestors took to the streets to resist the policies of US President Donald Trump . Dubbed the "Hands Off" protests, over 1,400 events took place, including in New York City, where protestors called for billionaire Elon Musk to be ousted from his role in government and for an end to the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), which has gutted government agencies and programs and sought to install artificial intelligence systems t...

Apr 06, 202554 min

Part 2: Technology, Democracy, and Power—Journalism’s Role in a Time of Crisis

On Tuesday, March 25th, Tech Policy Press hosted a webinar discussion to talk shop with others on the tech and democracy beat. We gathered seven colleagues from around the world to explore how tech journalists are grappling with the current political moment in the United States and beyond. In this episode, you'll hear the first session of the day, which features Tech Policy Press Associate Editor Ramsha Jahangir in discussion with​ Rina Chandran , Rest of World; Natalia Anteleva , Coda Story; An...

Mar 30, 202537 min

Part 1: Technology, Democracy, and Power—Journalism’s Role in a Time of Crisis

On Tuesday, March 25th, Tech Policy Press hosted a webinar discussion to talk shop with others on the tech and democracy beat. We gathered seven colleagues from around the world to explore how tech journalists are grappling with the current political moment in the United States and beyond. In this episode, you'll hear the first session of the day, which features a discussion with Michael Masnick from Techdirt, Vittoria Elliot from Wired , and Emmanuel Maiberg from 404 Media. This session explore...

Mar 30, 202546 min

About that Signal Chat

Every now and again, a story that has a significant technology element really breaks through and drives the news cycle. This week, the Trump administration is reeling after The Atlantic magazine's Jeffrey Goldberg revealed that he was on the receiving end of Yemen strike plans in a Signal group chat between US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and other top US national security officials. User behavior, a common failure point, appears to be to blame in this scenario. But what are the broader con...

Mar 27, 202528 min

A Conversation with Alvaro Bedoya on Trump's FTC Firings

Last week, President Donald Trump ordered the firing of two Democratic members of the Federal Trade Commission, an independent agency that enforces federal consumer protection and competition laws and that, under former President Joe Biden , turned up its scrutiny of the tech sector's biggest companies. The two commissioners, Alvaro Bedoya and Rebecca Kelly Slaughter , plan to challenge Trump's firing, which they said will only benefit billionaire tech moguls like Mark Zuckerberg and Jeff Bezos ...

Mar 25, 202540 min

Is an Anti-Fascist Approach to Artificial Intelligence Possible?

What is necessary to develop a future that is less hospitable to authoritarianism and, indeed, to fascism? How do we build collective power against authoritarian forms of corporate and state power? Is an alternative form of computing possible? Dan McQuillan is the author of Resisting AI: An Anti-fascist Approach to Artificial Intelligence , published in 2022 by Bristol University Press....

Mar 23, 202553 min

A Conversation with Dr. Alondra Nelson on AI and Democracy

Dr. Alondra Nelson holds the Harold F. Linder Chair and leads the  Science, Technology, and Social Values Lab  at the Institute for Advanced Study, where she has served on the faculty since 2019. From 2021 to 2023, she was deputy assistant to President Joe Biden and acting director and principal deputy director for science and society of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy. She was deeply involved in the Biden administration’s approach to artificial intelligence. Sh...

Mar 16, 202531 min

Should AGI Really Be the Goal of Artificial Intelligence Research?

The goal of achieving "artificial general intelligence," or AGI, is shared by many in the AI field. OpenAI’s charter defines AGI as "highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work,” and last summer, the company announced  its plan to achieve AGI within five years. While other experts at companies like Meta and Anthropic quibble with the term, many AI researchers recognize AGI as either an explicit or implicit goal. Google Deepmind went so far as to set o...

Mar 09, 202543 min

Assessing Europe's Digital Markets Act One Year In

A year ago, Europe’s Digital Markets Act—the DMA—went into effect. The European Commission says the purpose of the regulation is to make “ digital markets in the EU more contestable and fairer.” In particular, the DMA regulates gatekeepers, the large digital platforms whose position gives them greater leverage over the digital economy. One year in, how has the DMA performed? Do Europeans enjoy more choice and competition? And what are the new politics of the DMA as European regulations are ...

Mar 09, 202559 min

Promising Opportunities, Distinct Risks: AI and Digital Public Squares

Could AI help design better, more democratic platforms and online environments for public discourse? What are the opportunities, challenges, and risks of deploying AI in contexts where people are engaged in political discussion? Today’s guests are among the more than two dozen authors of a new paper on AI and the future of digital public squares: Audrey Tang , Taiwan's Cyber Ambassador and former Digital Minister Ravi Iyer , managing director of the USC Marshall School Neely Center for Ethical L...

Mar 06, 202551 min

Building Middleware for Bluesky: A Conversation with Blacksky Founder Rudy Fraser

On this podcast, we regularly engage with questions about redesigning social media networks to make them more democratic, pluralist, and prosocial. One hypothesis people have about how to do that is through the decentralization of platforms and the introduction of middleware—tools built to give users more control over their social media experience and, thus, more autonomy in how they engage in public discourse. In this episode, you’ll hear a discussion with one entrepreneur building middleware f...

Mar 03, 202538 min

Inocencia en Juego: An Investigation into Groups Targeting Children on Facebook

Last week, Tech Policy Press joined the  Latin American Center for Investigative Journalism  (EL CLIP) in publishing a report and series of articles documenting how adult users use public Facebook groups to identify and target accounts that indicate they are children for sexual exploitation. The “Innocence at Risk (Inocencia en Juego)” project, coordinated by EL CLIP with participation from Chequeado, includes a report from Lara Putnam , a professor of Latin American history and Direct...

Mar 02, 202531 min

Watching the Watchers: The Future of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board

On January 22, President Donald Trump terminated all three Democratic members of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board (PCLOB), an intelligence watchdog charged with monitoring the United States government's compliance with procedural safeguards on surveillance activities. The PCLOB's independence is also of concern to the European Commission, which relies on its reports in its assessment of whether US intelligence practices are aligned with EU Data Protection Framework standards. On F...

Feb 28, 202530 min

Evaluating the First Systemic Risk and Audit Reports Under the Digital Services Act

Tech Policy Press Associate Editor Ramsha Jahangir hosts a roundtable discussion on the first systemic risk assessments and independent audit reports from Very Large Online Platforms and Search Engines produced in compliance with the European Union's Digital Services Act. Ramsha is joined by: Hillary Ross , program lead at the Global Network Initiative (GNI); Magdalena Jozwiak , associate researcher at the DSA Observatory; and Svea Windwehr , the assistant director of EU policy at the Electronic...

Feb 23, 202539 min

Digital Rights Activists in Taiwan Driven by Memory and Threat of Authoritarianism

This week, RightsCon , which bills itself as "the world’s leading summit on human rights in the digital age," descends on Taipei.   To better understand the dynamics in the civil society community working on digital rights and tech policy matters in Taiwan, Justin Hendrix spoke to three experts: Liu I-Chen  (劉以正), Asia Program Officer at ARTICLE 19 Kuan-Ju Chou  (周冠汝), Deputy Secretary-General of the Taiwan Association for Human Rights  Grace Huang  (黃寬心), Dire...

Feb 23, 202542 min

Paths Diverge at the Paris AI Summit

At the Paris AI Action Summit on February 10-11, remarks by EU and US leaders indicated significant divergence on how to think about AI. But on balance, nations are moving decisively toward innovation and exploitation of this technology and away from containing it or restricting it. In this episode, Justin Hendrix surfaces voices from the Summit, as well as reactions and discussion on these matters at this year's State of the Net conference on February 11 in Washington, DC, including comments by...

Feb 16, 202523 min

Online Lives, Space and Place: Exploring the Mobile City

Over the last two decades, as Berlin reinvented itself as a "creative city," social media both mirrored and shaped shifting social landscapes—offering new possibilities while also reinforcing inequalities. How did digital media practices reshape urban life? And what can Berlin’s story tell us about the broader relationship between technology, culture, and the places we live? Today’s guest is Jordan H. Kraemer , the author of a new book that tries to answer these questions and more. It's called M...

Feb 09, 202536 min

A National Heist? Evaluating Elon Musk’s March Through Washington

As Donald Trump ’s second presidency enters its third week, Elon Musk is center stage as the Department of Government Efficiency moves to gut federal agencies. In this episode,  Justin Hendrix  speaks with two experts who are following these events closely and thinking about what they tell us about the relationship between technology and power: David Kaye , a professor of law at the University of California Irvine and formerly the UN Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Expression, and Yaë...

Feb 09, 202545 min

The Dangerous Combination of Technology and Capitalism

Justin Hendrix speaks with Jathan Sadowski , a senior lecturer in the Faculty of Information Technology at Monash University in Melbourne, Australia; co-host of This Machine Kills , a weekly podcast on technology and political economy; and author of the new book The Mechanic and the Luddite: A Ruthless Criticism of Technology and Capitalism from the University of California Press....

Feb 02, 202544 min

DeepSeek Prompts a Rethink

If Chinese AI startup DeepSeek’s efficiency and performance achievements stand up to scrutiny, it could have big implications for the AI race. It could call into question the strategic approach that the biggest US firms appear to be taking and the wisdom of the current American policy approach to AI. To discuss these issues, Justin Hendrix spoke to Karen Hao , a reporter who covers AI. In recent years, she's reported on China and tech for the Wall Street Journal, written about AI for The Atlanti...

Jan 28, 202524 min

Evaluating Trump's First Moves on Tech

From Executive Orders on AI and cryptocurrency to "ending federal censorship," President Donald Trump had a busy first week in the White House. Justin Hendrix discussed the news with Damon Beres , a senior editor at  The Atlantic,  where he oversees the technology section. Beres wrote a piece reflecting on Trump's inauguration titled "Billions of People in the Palm of Trump’s Hand."...

Jan 26, 202532 min

What's New at RightsCon? And How to Free Our Feeds

This episode features two segments. First, we hear from  Nikki Gladstone , director of  Rightscon , the annual conference organized by Access Now on issues at the intersection of human rights and technology. And in the second, you’ll hear from Robin Berjon and Sean McDonald , two of the folks behind Free Our Feeds , a new effort to raise a public interest foundation that will work to support making Bluesky’s underlying tech (the AT Protocol) resistant to billionaire capture....

Jan 19, 202531 min

The Dumbest Timeline: The Supreme Court Rules on TikTok

Today- Friday, January 17, 2025 - the US Supreme Court delivered its order  upholding the constitutionality of the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, a law passed by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden in April 2024. The Court found that the Act, which effectively bans TikTok in the US unless its Chinese parent company, ByteDance, sells it, does not violate the First Amendment rights of TikTok, its users, or creators. The decision clears the...

Jan 18, 202537 min

Addressing the "Cursed Equilibrium" of Social Media Algorithms

Last fall, Cornell University PhD candidate Cristiana Firullo gave a presentation at the Trust and Safety Research Conference at Stanford University during a session on understanding algorithms and online environments. Titled "The Cursed Equilibrium of Algorithmic Traumatization," the talk focused on the work Firullo is doing with her colleagues at Cornell to try to understand why social media recommendation systems may produce harmful effects on users. Audio reporter Rebecca Rand spoke to Firul...

Jan 12, 202511 min

What to Watch on US State Tech Policy in 2025

Even as the new year ushers in a new administration and Congress in the US at the federal level, dozens of states are kicking off new legislative sessions and are expected to pursue various tech policy goals. Justin Hendrix spoke to three experts to get a sense of the trends unfolding across the states on the regulation of AI, privacy, child online safety, and related issues: Keir Lamont , senior director at the Future of Privacy Forum (FPF) and author of The Patchwork Dispatch , a newsletter on...

Jan 05, 202541 min

Imagining 2025 and Beyond with Dr. Ruha Benjamin

This week’s guest is Dr. Ruha Benjamin , Alexander Stewart 1886 Professor of African American Studies at Princeton University and Founding Director of the IDA B. WELLS Just Data Lab . Benjamin was recently named a 2024 MacArthur Fellow , and she’s written and edited multiple books, including 2019’s Race After Technology and 2022’s Viral Justice . Last week she joined Justin Hendrix to discuss her latest book, Imagination: A Manifesto , published this year by WW Norton & Company....

Dec 22, 202440 min

How to Remedy Google's Search Monopoly

This close to the end of 2024, it’s clear that one of the most significant tech stories of the year was the outcome of the Google search antitrust case. It will also make headlines next year and beyond as the remedies phase gets worked out in the courts. For this episode, Justin Hendrix turns the host duties over to someone who has looked closely at this issue: Alissa Cooper , the Executive Director of the  Knight-Georgetown Institute (KGI). Alissa hosted a conversation with three individua...

Dec 15, 202458 min