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Stephen A's Take: Trump sides with Musk and Ramaswamy. H-1B visas fueling divide in MAGA world.

Dec 31, 202417 min
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Stephen A. Smith is a New York Times Bestselling Author, Executive Producer, host of ESPN's First Take, and co-host of NBA Countdown.

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Speaker 1

I know I might have shocked everybody when I talked about Donald Trump and how he could go a long way towards sort of minimizing I certainly never say, we'll never say.

Speaker 2

Resolving, but a's at least to some degree.

Speaker 1

Minimizing the kind of things that we witness transpire with Robert Brooks courtesy of correction or New York City correctional officers who murdered him. I'll touch on that in just a second and elaborate on my point, because I'm gonna try to make it make sense for y'all. Right now, Donald Trump is in the news for another reason, and.

Speaker 2

It's because of his two guys.

Speaker 1

Musk Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswami former presidential candidate Vivecka Ramaswami, how they're defending foreign work of visas, barking a backlash

from the MAGA write itself. According to a report reading right here from CNN, social media posts by Elon Musk and Revec Ramaswami argueing in the favor of expanding the visa program for highly skilled workers have set off a debate among supporters of President elect Donald Trump over how the program should fit into the income and administration's aggressive immigration agenda. Musk and Ramaswami, whom Trump has tapped to lead his Department of Government Efficiency.

Speaker 2

That's the DOGE.

Speaker 1

Defendive companies who use workers on H one B visas, arguing tech companies, including those owned by Musk, of course, depend on foreign workers to operate, but the message rankled some of Trump's most loyal defenders, who expect his administration

to crack down on immigration and promote American workers. Trump restricted access to foreign work of visas during his first term and as targeted the H one B program and past remarks, but during the twenty twenty four campaign Trump Signal, Trump signaled openness to give him some foreign workers legal status if they graduated from a US university. Musk actually compared the situation to sports.

Speaker 2

Listen to this quote from Elon Musk.

Speaker 1

If you want your team to win the championship, you need to recruit top talent wherever they may be. That enables the whole team to win. Musk wrote on X, which obviously he owns, I AM referring to bringing in via llegal immigration the top zero point one percent of engineering talent as being essential for America to keep winning. This is what Musk Musk wrote in another post on Thursday. Thinking of America as a pro sports team that has been winning for a long time and wants to keep

winning is the right mental construct. Ladies, gentlemen, I gotta tell you, I have no problem with that. I have no problem with that whatsoever. We don't want open borders because we don't want more than twelve and a half million people just coming into the country illegally. Fair enough, We certainly don't want folks, the very few of them who are criminals into the country.

Speaker 2

But we don't want open borders.

Speaker 1

But that doesn't mean we don't want folks to come through the border legally.

Speaker 2

It doesn't mean that we.

Speaker 1

Don't want our society to continue to be the gorgeous mosaic that we've been known to be.

Speaker 2

America is the land of opportunity.

Speaker 1

And if you have people for foreign nations that are incredibly bright and add a lot to technology and other forms of business in this world, that promotes and provokes employment for a bevy of other American citizens and beyond in this country, why would we not do that?

Speaker 2

Why would we not do that?

Speaker 1

Especially if you're talking about them being some of the top engineers in this world, why would we want to keep them out of America. I totally agree with Lelon Musk about that. It makes perfect sense. It really really does. By the way, the number that he threw out there is zero point one percent of the top engineers. That's

not hurting anybody. If anything, that's helping America. But if veck Wamaswami didn't stop, he piggybacked off of what Musk said, and he said our American culture because obviously he's a first generation US citizen whose parents immigrated from India.

Speaker 2

So let's get that straight.

Speaker 1

Vive Ramaswami says, our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long, at least since the nineties and likely longer.

Speaker 2

That doesn't start in college, it starts young. He said. This is what he said on Thursday.

Speaker 1

A coacher that celebrates the prong queen over the math Olympiad champ or the jock over the valed victorian will not produce the best engineers. I can't argue with that point. That makes perfect sense. That makes perfect sense. Now here's where it gets tricky, and this is what we got to think about when it comes to Trump, and there is simply no way around this.

Speaker 2

It's a great discussion.

Speaker 1

Because the re reality is is that it's something that's open for debate. There's reportedly fraud in the H one B visa program and it was said to need major reform.

Speaker 2

This is according to the reports, not me.

Speaker 1

But America wants the world's top talent and Trump wants to stay number one, right, So how can you be number one.

Speaker 2

Without top talent?

Speaker 1

You gotta balance that, you know, you gotta balance that message with an America first message. That's a tough thing to do. America first versus America first. People already living and board here. Which one is it America first instead of the in terms of the country, or America first instead of the MAGA write.

Speaker 2

Who voted for you? To think about American citizens first.

Speaker 1

The only way for Trump to pull this office to make the argument that it's all about America, It's all about America and anything that contributes to America being number one is something that we should support.

Speaker 2

That to be his argument.

Speaker 1

And it gets very very interesting because now it's a debate, and having that debate, here's where the advantage.

Speaker 2

Is, at least in the Trump administration, there appears to be a debate allowed what has ailed the Democrats.

Speaker 1

It's not an ideology alone, it's not their feelings alone. It's the fact that if you refute it what they said, if you are part of that party, cancel culture kicked in. If you are not a part of that party. It was ostracism, and it was ultimately hate mongering and fear mongering that.

Speaker 2

Was thrown into the equation.

Speaker 1

There was no room for debate, and enough voices weren't being heard. Diversity amongst those voices not being heard. You're black, you're white, you're gay, you're lesbian, you're heterosexual, you're transgender, It don't matter. You still have to have one form of thinking if you fell under their umbrella, otherwise you

will put style. If Trump is saying there needs to be a healthy debate about America first meaning the country, or America first meaning people born in this country, and sacrificing the best that may exist out there across the globe, and that's a discussion that's worth having. All of a sudden, that opens the floodgates for an abundance of other things that we can discuss. Because when we're talking about America first, aren't we talking about America being the greatest country in

the world. Aren't we talking about that being our wish? Are we talking about being in a position where, whether it's financially, whether it's educationally, whether it's intellectually, whether it's morally, we're supposed to be at the top of the heap. Ain't that what we're trying to say? And if that is what we are trying to say, where's our behavior to replicate or authenticate that level of thinking?

Speaker 2

That's a question. It's important.

Speaker 1

Trump released the statement, seemingly siding with Musk and ramaswamiing well, he said, court, I've always liked the visus. I've always been in favor of the visas. That's why we have them. I have many H one B visas on my properties. I've been a believer in H one B. I have used it many times. It's a great program. This is what Donald Trump is saying. He's making a very very valid point when he brings that up. What are H

one b's. It's employer sponsored work visas. That's what Musk and Ramaswami are in support of, and the MAGA right is pushing back on because employer sponsored work visas basically means immigrants being allowed into the workforce. And you got folks on the MAGA right that don't want immigrants. But in the end, does that make our country better or worse? I say it makes us worse to not have them.

I completely agree with Elon Muskin Ramaswami this, but most importantly I agree with the idea of their being an open, robust debate about it, because it is not something that the Democrats allowed. The Democrats stop letting people decide. One could easily argue their mentality seem to be you must obey the party line or y'a out and yass That seemed to be what they were saying, censorship, cancer, culture.

Speaker 2

There was no debate.

Speaker 1

That's why they're home and Donald Trump is on his way back to the White House.

Speaker 2

And so since we look.

Speaker 1

At it from that standpoint, now we got to ask ourselves what does the debate bring. One could easily argue it only strength is the party and sharpens the arguments. You can make that argument mainstream media, some could say they're blowing to you know, they're blowing the disagreement out of proportion.

Speaker 2

A bit. I'm not sure about that.

Speaker 1

I just think these kinds of discussions are good the country, and I wish I saw more of it on the left.

Speaker 2

New lines and alliances might be drawn. We all know this, but no.

Speaker 1

One's getting canceled a de platform for it. This is a beautiful thing. And with that in mind, why did I bring up Trump over the last segment when I'm talking about the correction officers murdering Robert Brooks. This issue itself has nothing to do with it, but what it's fomenting and what it's provoking in terms of a healthy debate, is a beautiful, beautiful thing because it means that you're open to reason. Well, here, let me transition back to

the correctional offices murdering and inmate. I wasn't there, and nor did I ever see Trump's comments in its completions about Charlottesville. I never liked the idea of white supremacist. They're very fine people on both sides. Ah, that's not what you wanted to hear from your president at that particular moment in time, even though his full message might not have been articulated and disseminated to the masses appropriately, But that's not what you want to hear for the

president at that particular moment in time. You certainly want to support our police officers. I'm not down for defunding the police, because I know I'm calling nine to one one.

Speaker 2

I don't believe in that.

Speaker 1

But I am for making sure that the rogue officers amongst us suffer severe punishment and they get weeded out. So the ninety five plus percent of law abiding police officers who live up to their oath.

Speaker 2

To serve and protect, I'm all for them being empowered.

Speaker 1

But what we're gonna do about these correction officers and people like them, What we're gonna do about the Derek Chauvin's with the George Floyd's of the world and all of.

Speaker 2

That stuff about them.

Speaker 1

Only reason I brought up the comparison between George Floyd and now this guy Robert Brooks is because they were both handcuffed, Both had their hands behind their back. Derek Chauvin had his knee on George floyd neck while several correctional officers were beating the living hell out of Robert Brooks.

Speaker 2

Beating him to death.

Speaker 1

Both were tortured, one more visibly conspicuous than the other, but both equally dead murdered.

Speaker 2

What'd you gonna do about that?

Speaker 1

Don Trump, You're not responsible for the officer's actions.

Speaker 2

Nobody's implying that. I'm not.

Speaker 1

Casting blame upon you in any way. I'm simply saying that when the mandate has been handed down, when you've won all the swing states, gained ground on every demographic out there, black, Hispanics, young voters, when you've gained ground and in roads, when you have this kind of mandate handed to you on a silver platter, where nobody cared about the ippeachment, so nobody cared about the convictions, and they bought everything that you were selling in terms of

this being politicized and all of this other stuff. And now you're going back in the office as the forty seventh President of the United States of America, clearly with a mandate, but clearly with more power because you got the House and the Senate, and you got a damn near coat following. That's so profound and so potent and so strong that the politicians on your side are scared to go against you, which means the vast majority of your times.

Speaker 2

They're gonna do. What the hell you say, you're gonna take advantage of this moment, Donald Trump. I'd like to see.

Speaker 1

Donald Trump call for those officers to be arrested, those correctional officers to be arrested and indighted. I'd like to hear Donald Trump say there is no place in our society for such heinous acts like that. He doesn't give a damn what uniform you're working. His support is applicable to law abiding law enforcement officials who live up to their oath to protect and serve not to be criminals themselves. You can do it in all likelihood which H one B program. You can do it in all likelihood when

it comes to tariffs. You can do it in all likelihood when it comes to a plethora of other issues. How about this is violence in the streets of America. You want to make.

Speaker 2

Sure those people are dealt with fair enough.

Speaker 1

But you don't support a dude being handcuffed and beaten to death by correctional facility correction officers on camera.

Speaker 2

There's no way to condone that speak against that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1

Let the minorities, the desolate, and the disenfranchised in this country, people who are powerless to go up.

Speaker 2

Against the system itself. Let them know.

Speaker 1

That you're the head of the system that's in place now, and you're going to do what you can to change what has ailed the minority communities in this country from stuff like this continuing to happen. You got a chance, Donald Trump, You got a chance to get even more Democrats to shift over to the center and possibly even over the you if you make sure that you're of that strong arm of the law applies to all corruption, not just those who voted against you in old likelihood.

Speaker 2

Just the thought.

Speaker 1

Something to consider as the new year twenty twenty five approaches. And you're, as of right now, by twenty three days removed from entering the White House again as a president of the United States,

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