Welcome to this latest edition to the Stephen Nate Smith Show, coming at you as I love to do at the very least three times a week over the digital airwaves of YouTube and of course Heartradio. Got a lot of stuff to get into today. Got a great, great interview that I'm looking forward to, the one and only Mark Cuban, talking to him about the NBA, his ownership of the Dallas Mavericks, a whole bunch of NBA items. Not to mention politics because he's been involved with that as well.
Can't wait to get into that, which is why I'm gonna move quickly, because before I do that, I've got to get into some high profile Democrats that are speaking out against the Trump administration. I'll start with former Vice President Kamala Harris, who addressed a woman's summit yesterday in California. The former Democratic presidential nominee who lost to Trump in November, said the president moves since he returned to office were largely predictable. Here's more of her remarks last night at
the Leading Women Defined Summit. Quote, there were many things we knew were gonna happen. I'm not gonna say I told you so. We are seeing people stay quiet. We are seeing organizations stay quiet. We are seeing capitulating to clearly unconstitutional threats. Courage is contagious end quote. Meanwhile, President Barack Obama also had words for the administration yesterday. Obama said that he doesn't think Trump's new tariff announcement is
going to be good for America. He also added that his larger concern is what he described as the White House's infringement of rights end quote. Tell us something we don't know. See the problem is we always knew that. But no, thanks to y'all as Democrats. Yes, you did say he was a threat to democracy. Yes you did say, don't think that what he says is true, that it's going to happen. Yes you did say beware, beware, beware.
You told us those things, but you still lived life allowing cancer, culture and identity politics to be pervasive throughout our society. Y'all did that as Democrats. And then when people tried to tell y'all, and instead we tried to get y'all a focus on the concerns of the American people, the cost of living, inflation, etc. The borders, not open, borders,
stop denying. At twelve million plus people crossed the border illegally when we told you to stop doing that, when we told you to pay attention to the price of eggs and cheese and bread and gas and stuff like that, even though you're touched on it. The focus was making sure that you touched on the moral fabric and the moral compass of individuals to guilt us into voting for
the Democratic Party. Meanwhile, Donald tr Trump and the folks on the GOP side spoke plain English, and I'm going to say something that isn't popular to say, but you know something, the Democrats need to hear this. Y'all are very very fond of talking about how Donald Trump lies. Some of the things that have made people uncomfortable about Donald Trump. I got news for you. He has a lie. Didn't he say tariffs? Tariffs? Tariffs was whether he was going to live by? Did he not say that he
was going to close those damn borders? I believe he said that. Did he not say that he was going to get addressed crime in our streets and things were going to get very very bad for lawless individuals out there. Did he not provide indications that he could give a damn about the civil rights and the human rights of individuals that were considered lawless. Did he not say, or at least indicate that, come hell of high water, the culture that we were living in, we were on die back.
Did he not talk about the LGBTQ plus community, specifically as it pertains the transgenders and athletes not being allowed to transition from male to female and be able to compete in women's sports. Did he not say these things? Yes he did. Why am I bringing all of that up? Because, for better or worse, most American people feel we know him even when he's lying. We know him. We know he's gonna lie. We know that some other things he's gonna be honest about. We know he's gonna be narcissistic.
We know he's gonna care primarily about himself and his name, and he's gonna put that aboved all else. In most instances, we know that he might not read the reports, whether it's involving national security or the economy or anything else. We know that he operates primarily off gut. We know that he puts people in their positions and their primary responsibility is to be loyal to him. We supposed to be incompetent or qualified for their jobs. We know all
of this, which means we know him. So what's the problem. We didn't know y'all as Democrats, because the Democratic Party and what it was customarily associated with, normally associated with how it was supposed to be the party of the working class. You were throwing your own aside. You did it to elected officials that got themselves in a spec
of trouble. You threw them to the wolves. You had Supreme Court justices refusing to answer question as to whether or not they were a woman or define what a woman was, even though they were married with children. It's a whole bunch of ridiculous nonsense that was going around
and going on with the Democratic Party. We're not blind to what's transpiring right now, not blind to the specter holding over all of us, and how dangerous times can be, how hardship seems imminent as it pertains the tariffs and beyond. We get on what terrorists may cause, the problems that
it may cause, inflation, potential recession. We get all of that, but we also get that Donald Trump told us exactly what the hell he was going to do, and that not only that the vast majority of the American people still saw him closer to normalcy than we saw the Democratic Party. But because of that, regardless of his ways, Donald Trump is actually trusted more than y'all. He didn't hint towards misogyny for black men that could possibly vote
against Kamala Aarris. He didn't do that. He wasn't somebody that was scared to do interviews half the time and was at the mercy of people connected to her campaign instead of recognizing she was the Democratic nominee and she was supposed to be running the show and she was supposed to be the boss. You told us, so, yeah, you did. What you didn't do was tell us enough about you and what you would ultimately stand for. That's
why he's the president. That's why the GOP is in control of the House and the Senate, and the Democrats are on the outside looking in. Just thought i'd remind y'all of that before y'all went out there chirping about some of the things that are going on. He ain't right, but you're just as guilty as he is. You put him back in that White House cause you forgot about your own The chunk that really matters, not the fringes who are not gonna give you an election. You did that,
and that's the way it goes. I'm sure I'll be getting into that subject with my next guest. He is the former owner for the Dallas Mavericks. He is a brilliant individual. He is also a billionaire. He's still a minority owner for the Dallas Mavericks. Is he a political candidate? Is he a potential presidential candidate? Is here a potential vice presidential candidate? Or is he just want somebody that's determined to raise hell and make a difference in ways
we wish our politicians actually would. The one and only Mark Cuban up next, right here on the Stephen A. Smith Show. Don't go I got more than that coming, but I'll be back in a minute. All right, folks, I need you all to stop what you're doing and listen up. You know, I love this time of year, right the madness is set and we have four teams left in this year's college basketball tournament and with all this action going on, Steven A. Smith Show wants to
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It's a boosted twenty five percent Prospects. Hey, Hey, ruin your game. Welcome back to Steven A. Smith Show. Before I get to my next guest, we need to get to Memphis Grizzlies guard joh Moran, who was just fined seventy five thousand dollars by the league for mimicking a shooting gun with his finger. The fine comes a day after the league warned Moran and Warriors guard but he healed yesterday morning about the gesture following their game Tuesday night,
and so Moran did it again last night. Here's what he had to say after the game when asked about criticisms of his actions. Quote, I'm kind of used to it. I was pretty much a villain for two years, down every little thing. If somebody can say something negative about me, it's going to be out there. So yeah, I don't care no more. End quote. So the NBA responded this morning with that seventy five thousand dollars. Fine, you got off easy. Let's get that out the way.
First.
You got that. You got off easy. Number one. Number two, John Morant, we need to stop. Take that footage off the camera and put me on the camera. Please gotta stop.
Bro.
First of all, stop with all of this negativity over the last two years. When you got into the situation where you was caught on Instagram, you know, waving a gun. First you got suspended for eight games, and then after that you got suspended for twenty five games. Nobody was saying anything negative about you prior to those things. In the aftermath of all of that, all anybody's been looking for is your game. You came back, you got hurt, you was out, and that's what transpired. Rant is fantastic.
He has superstar potential. We knew he was on his way, and then he got derailed because he got suspended and then ultimately injured. Nobody's looking to bring you down. I shouldn't say anybody, because there's always haters and trolls, and the level of the society that we live in with the negativity, et cetera, it's ridiculous. But the flip side to it is that the world is in the palm of your hands. It's in your hands, the money that you're making, the money you stood to make with endorsement
deals and all of that stuff. Particularly after Kyrie had his troubles and Madison Avenue came in your direction. You got derailed because of that, and between the suspensions and the endorsement or lack thereof that followed, it was speculated that you were cost over forty to fifty million dollars. That would leave a whole bunch of people bitter. I get that part, but please don't please understand everybody that loves basketball or should be rooting for you. For the record,
John Moran is some awful dude. He's not some dude looking to start trouble. Neither is his dad. Dad's a little bit conspicuous at the games with the shades on and onto. He actually happens to be a real fun loving guy. Nobody's sitting up there rooting for you to fall on your face and field. What we want to see is the greatness we've been seeing from you the last few games, when you drop thirty six and the loss to Steph Curry and Golden State when he dropped
fifty two on you. You still have thirty six that game, when you sat up there and dropped thirty last night and hit the game, win a shot, when you talk and smack and you backed it up, That's what we want to see. That's all we want to see. You don't want to get in trouble because you doing feigning gun signs and all of that. Bro, It's not worth it. You are very very important to the league, But you don't run the league. It existed before you got here,
and it's gonna be here when you gone. I'm telling you right now, I got a number of love for Jah Moran. I wish you nothing but the best. You gotta be smart. It's a business. And the reason why the NBA can be a bit invasive and a bit stringent and a bit meticulous at thoms is because they have to answer the advertisers and sponsors who essentially provide
revenue for the league. That's why the NBA gets an eleven year, seventy six billion dollar deal because they acquiesce too in appeace sponsors and advertisers, and that kind of thing hurts their bottom line. It's very simple. It's very simple. Don't let something is small get in the way. We know it's small, it's not a big deal, but it's a big deal to advertises and sponsors, and as a result, it's a big deal to the brand that is the NBA, Which you play, which unbrell you play under. That's all
it is. That's all it is. Look at it this way, Joe. If you rich boys, they your crew and they cost you money. Because they do something relatively foolish, not necessarily harmful, not malicious, but they engage in activity that ain't smart. You gonna tell them to fix it, or they gotta bounce, cause you ain't gonna let them hurt your bottom line.
That's what the NBA is saying to you. Just know that and operate accordingly, and your career will continue to prosper and you be able to move on with your life and do what you do cause you that special bro. That's all time to move on to another subject, subject far more important than this particular instance right here, because it's a seventy five thousand dollars fine. He hasn't gotten suspended or anything like that. John Moran will be fine.
Now it's time to move on to a different, more significant subject, and it's talking to my next guest, who I've been waiting to talk to for a while.
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run your game. Welcome back my next guest as a host of the hit ABC competition show, Shark Tank. I'm minority owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks and maybe just maybe a presidential candidate for the United States of America. Please welcome to the Steven Asmith Show. To one and only mister Mark Cuban. What's going on, big Time? How are you met? How's everything?
It's all good? It's all about you, mister big money.
I wish, I wish, and please I still don't. I still don't make a penny to your dollars. Stop that nonsense. Don't even try it. But listen, I couldn't wait to talk to you right now. First of all, it's great to see y'all. Hope you will. How has life been for you since you've sold the majority steak in the Dallas Mavericks.
I ma, it's been great. I mean from a personal perspective, family perspective, business perspective. You know, we're growing costplus Drugs dot com. My kids, you know, my freshman my son is playing play basketball this season. My daughter got a rowing scholarship to she's had me. My oldest is in college, having fun. Everybody's healthy, my wife is happy. I mean, this is the way it should.
Be when you think about it. I mean, obviously, you own the Dallas Mavericks, the majority owner for the Dallas Mavericks solo for twenty three years. For crying out loud and to give that up. Nobody ever imagined that you would do that. Put into your own words, why you had reached that conclusion and it was time to surrender. A majority stake of the franchise.
I mean one family. You know, I was going to away games and you know, my kids were getting out of school and moving into their own adult lives, and you know, I was missing too much of that, which
is also the reason why I left Shark Tank. You know, the NBA has evolved over the last twenty five years where it went from being a very entrepreneurial environment where if someone like myself came in, you know, ideas were welcome to being a really you know, a pe type in the scenario where there were ownership groups, there were private equity groups that were buying into teams and owning teams,
and that kind of changed the dynamic. And it really evolved so that in order to compete financially, because that's half the battle. On the court is one thing, but being able to compete financially is a big part of it as well. It didn't play to my strengths any longer. You know, really, you hear every single team talk about real estate and expanding in casinos, and that just wasn't
my strength. So and then you know the other part again going back to family, when you get on social media and you listen to kids, and you listen to adults for that matter. On social media and off, people were getting mean, you know, And if I was looking forward to, you know, ten years from now, my kids taking over, I just that's not where I wanted them to be or to go. And you know, you look at other teams where kids have taken over. Sometimes it
works a lot of times it doesn't. And I wanted them to fight their own path so or find their own path, So it just made sense to sell.
Find their own path is one thing. But I'm I'm genuinely asking you this because I'm really interested in hearing your response. The world is getting ugly. You're absolutely right, And as a guy who's a pundit and can be a critic, even I look at it and be like you people cross the line. You cross the lines. I would never even think to cross. What the hell's wrong
with these people these days? But the flip side to it is that, knowing the world that we're living in, knowing how it's regressing before our very eyes, do you really really believe that you're gonna be able to shield your children?
Oh No, I didn't say shield, right, Okay, I never said I want them to find their own way. In sports, it's a different beast right look, And here's the way I explain it. When you win a championship, see that guy back there, you know, And in any sport, a million people might show up for the prey and they're that passionate, and that passion leads to when things are good, everybody loves you. When things are not good, it's not
as nearly as much fun that for me. Okay, I grew up, you know, before grew up in this industry, before social media. I had a great run. But for them to find their own path, they can go wherever they want. They may not want to be in the middle of the storm, or they might not even be want to be a public figure. They want to might want to be very private. One of my kids is like super private and hates the idea of, you know,
being out in the public. So, you know, I just I want them to be curious about life and find their own path. And it's tough when you're the heir apparent for a basketball team.
Now, when you sold your team, the Dallas Mavericks the majority state to the Adamson and the Dumont families in December of twenty twenty three, you talked about being a minority owner still maintaining about twenty seven percent if I remember correctly, and you said that you would pretty much be running still running basketball operations that had that That clearly was not the case because Luka Dotic is going I'll get into that in a second. But what happened
to that role? You were supposed to be playing a role of running basketball operations? What happened to that? Mal Cuba?
I think it was fool's goal. I mean, we went to the finals. You know, it's only been fifteen months since they took over, and we went right to the finals, and I think everything seemed easy, and all decisions that were made seemed to be perfect. And in that particular case, why do you need Mark for any more help? And you know, but it's never that easy over the course
of time. And you know, once we once I was out of that picture, we really didn't have anybody that had any long term experience in making decisions in the NBA, and I think that kind of backfired.
And I guess what I'm asking this, but if you had an agreement where you still own twenty seven percent of the franchise, and you're going to be running basketball operations. How the hell was that something they were able to wiggle their way out of? How did that happen?
Well, because it was a handshake agreement, and you know, yeah, they decided you know, I tried to put it into the contract actually in the NBA said no, they said, basically, it's between you and the new ownership. And you know, they they went in their direction again. You know, mistakes happen. You know, I don't think they do it the same
way now. But it's only been fifteen months and I think, you know, they've learned from everything that's happened, and I think things will be better for Maps fans going forward.
The most obvious question you have ever been asked, because we all know the answer. If Mark Cuban is still the owner for the Dallas Mavericks majority and otherwise, is Luka Doncic in La or is he still in Dallas?
I think he's here.
Yeah, Could you have ever imagined yourself trading Luka Doncic?
No?
Can you explain why the hell they came to that conclusion?
I don't know, you still don't know. I've heard. I mean, you know, Nico, is you know, I've heard what Nico said publicly privately, you know, and they align and so you know, Nico felt it was the best decision, and Patrick Doumie agreed with them at the time, and they made that decision, and you know, it just that's the way the NBA works.
Did you educate my audience as to what words were said as to why Luka Doncic was being traded?
I mean, Nico decided that, you know, defense wins championships, and they thought that he thought that Anthony Davis would be a better anchor for our defense. And look, you know the truth is between Ad, Derek Lively and Derek gafferd that's the best big three big three in the NBA. But Luka Doncis is a you know, generational talent. So you know, while there's an argument to be made, and I understand where Nico's coming from, it's just not the same decision I would have made.
So when they told you, where were you and did you collapse in front of their face? Did you go ballistic? What was your immediate reaction upon hearing the news that this generational talent six years younger than the talent that you was bringing in. Although Anthony Davis is a big time player. What was your immediate reaction in the moment when you were first told the news.
I was like, you're asking me, right, this isn't done and he was like, no, it's done. And I was like, okay, you know, nothing more to talk about. I wouldn't have done this. And you know, thanks for giving me the call.
Who did you say that to?
Who cult you Nico?
Wow? Wow? One of the things that was reported Mark Cuban is that throughout his years, as much of a generational talent as we all know Luca to be, his dad spoke out upon in the immediate aftermath of the trade because of the cynicism that was thrown in Luca's direction, doing his own thing, marching to the beat of his own drum, you know, controlling his circle to some degree, strength and conditioning, etc. Being in shape, all of these
different things. Was it fair criticism? Was it exaggerated? Was he being maligned unnecessarily in your eyes?
I mean, look, everybody saw him. It wasn't like he was ripped and had a six pack. But what I think what the biggest mistake was, and trying to understand Luca is he's from the Balkans, right, he's Slovenian, and you know, you look at Jokic, who's Serbian, and you look at Serbian players in general, they're just a different mindset, right.
They look at the game different they look at life differently, they look at their they're emotionally, you know, the guys that I've gotten to know from that, from that region of the world are different. And I think that was what was not considered as fully as it should have been. That you've got to understand what people are like, what their backgrounds are like, who they are personally, what their families are like, you know, how they interact with other people,
and from that part of the world. And my experience is Luca was just you know, other than the basketball talent, he was just like every other guy, and you know, and I think that was one of the reasons he loves to play with the Slovenian team. He relates so well to all the other players from that part of the world, and you know, over the summers, that's who he's hanging out with, that that's who he is. And so I don't think that we truly took the time
to understand that. And I think that really led to this decision, and that that and that really underpinned this decision, that lack of attention to that that issue, and I think that's here we are.
Mark educate us when you say he was a bit different, not so much about him, but about those players from Europe compared to American players, And you say he's a bit different, folks needed to understand that kind of thing. What are the kind of things that you noticed about him and about players from overseas, from Europe.
Different even overseas players. If you've never seen a game in Serbia, Okay, they're going, like j just said before, Joker said, you know, oh guys are yelling at me. No, dude, have you ever seen a game in Serbia? And you watch him. That's where you see the videos of the entire stadium bouncing up and down. And you know, look at Jokic's brothers. They're aggressive, right, they don't put up with anything, you know, just you know, when we had Bobon, Bobon was a big teddy beer, but he could be
aggressive too on the court. And so just that mindset that you just when you're on the court, your intensity is at a different level, you know, and you see that with Jokish, you see that with Luca, you see that with other players, and that historically has been who they are. And you have to understand where people are
from in the world. That culture, you know, the culture you grow up in, makes the difference to who you are as an athlete, as a professional in any sport, and as a business person for that matter.
Is that good for the NBA in this day and age. Is it what's need? Yes?
Yes, it's great, right because you know, the beauty of the NBA is that we accept all cultures from around the world because you know, they're all different, and that's what makes us unique in that we're very, very accepting no matter where you are, where you are from. And I think it's amazing, you know. And you know when you see Zukah, like when I went to LA with my son when we played there against it for the first time, and I told him I was gonna boom
when he was on the free throw line. So I did, and I was smiling and laughing, and he was, you know, he got really intense, because he's always really intense on the court. Always. You see his response to the referees, you see his responses to anybody. He is intense and while you know, Joker may not be as purely emotional, and I don't get to see as many of his games.
The guy is intense, you know, but when the game is over and he goes back home, he's more interested in harness racing, which, by the way, I grew up watching my entire life, so I don't blame him. But you know, they go back and they live their lives. It's just different, and you've got to accept those differences in players from that part of the world. And I think that was part of our mistake.
Well, listen, the way you describe Lucan players from that part of the world sounds a lot like Mark Cuban. And I don't recall you being born in the Balkans. I mean your intensity level for it.
Well, go ahead, let me just tell you one. Grandparents from Lithuania. Okay, multiple from Ukraine.
Okay.
You know. So I got the end of my blood stephen A.
I got you. I got you absolutely. Before I get into my questions that are non sports related, I wanted to read you something. Did you see this Rasmussein pole conducted by Pablo Torre finds out it's of one twenty one likely voters who were asked who would be the best Democratic candidate for vice president for twenty twenty eight? Would you check out this please? What's your reaction to this? Right here, Mark Cuban is leading to raise first, there
we go. That's right. That's what they did. That wasn't enough. That was them.
I did second fiddle to nobody, damn right. So but you know, if I ever do decide to run, which won't happen, even that you can be my VP.
No, if you ain't playing second fid the one would make you think I want to play second fitter.
I'm not doing that because that's who you are, Bro, That's who you are.
I'm second fiddle, that's what you're telling me.
Yeah, go, never mind listen.
At least chief established secretary of State or something, not the vice president, not the vice president. But let me ask you this. You know you've been a vocal critic of President Donald Trump, but revealed on the All In podcast that he reached out to you in twenty twenty four and offered you a position in his administration. First of all, in what capacity was that and did you ever consider it?
No, he didn't offer me in a position ever, so that that never happened. But back in his first administration, I went and talked to him and talked to others about helping with health care. And I actually talked to people in the administration now bringing up just basic things about health care and pharmacy pricing because of our success with costplus Drugs dot Com and so, look, I'm all about Team USA. Whatever I can do to help this country, I'm going to do it. You know, it's you know,
it's like sports. I played rugby forever. You beat the hell out of each other during the game. After the game, you have a beer. This is, you know, my mind the same way. You know, if I can help cut the cost of health care in the United States of America, doesn't matter who the president is, whether I like him or dislike him, I'm going to do what I can.
How do you feel about what he's been doing so far, not just in the first seventy two seventy three days, but specifically with this whole tariff war he's created. What are your thought?
Yeah, I think that's the problem. I think he and Elon aren't aligned in their thinking. I think Elon's first goal is to reduce the deficit, and one path to reduce the deficit is by the economy declining and contracting. The idea is that if the economy contracts, then you have to reduce interest rates in order to you know, get it fired back up again. And by by reducing interest rates, since that's one of the biggest components of the national debt, then you push down the national debt.
The problem is you can't reduce interest rates, and why you're increasing tariffs because tariffs, particularly to the extent that they've been implemented here this week, are very, very inflationary. So you create this catch twenty two. And then on top of that with all the DOGE cuts, which I think are going to have a disproportionate impact on small towns and cities in the United States of America, then all these things happening at once, and that's really bad for the economy.
That doesn't sound like America. First to me, that doesn't sound like it makes a lot of sense what they're doing right now. And as somebody write this to me, they said, his formula is screwed. First it was an election too, talking about the terriffs. First it was an election tool. Then it was a negotiating tool. Now it's here to stay. He's all over the place. This is what people are saying about him as it pertains to tariffs. Do you find yourself thinking in that regard.
Yeah, what I think is they're very dogmatic. You know. Elon is very dogmatic cut cut, cut, cut cut, and Trump is very dogmatic tariffs, you know, or a beautiful word and we're going to have tariffs. They don't go together at all. Something's got to give, and right now it's the stock market.
And I'm looking at it from this standpoint. The thing that really struck me, Mark is that the Republicans, this is a party that religiously preaches about the importance of lowering taxes. How are you going to sit up there and raise and create a tariff war and in the same breath lower taxes. It seems to be antithetical to anything that they've been preaching about for decades. I don't find their message to be consistent at all in that regard to that job.
No. I mean, look, the parties are not as important as they used to be, and the Republican Party is the Trump family business now. And you know, maybe that's good in some respect, but that it also means that everybody's just going to go along. Everybody in that party is going to go along with whatever Donald Trump says. And if he says tariffs are good, everybody's out there saying tariffs are good. Howard Luck. Oh, Donald Trump has been wanting tariffs for thirty years. He's the smartest guy
I know. Let's you know, tariffs are going to be amazing until they aren't.
Not only that, it's increasing taxes on small businesses as well. Oh yeah, I mean, I mean this is exact. I mean, this is this is the bread and butter of the American economy, and it's increasing taxes on small businesses and on regular, average, every day American.
Since they're three million, there are thirty three million companies in this country. There are only twenty one thousand that have five hundred or more employees. The other thirty two point whatever million. They don't have the money to absorb tariffs. They can't just raise prices. They you know, they are going to get hurt. And so that's a real problem that I don't think they've thunk through.
Why is it? Tell us and remind us why you were so supportive of Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party considering how chaotic things look. And we ultimately learned that side of.
The aisle was because she wasn't Donald Trump.
Simple as playing just that simple. If it were anybody else other than Donald Trump, Let's say, for example, it was NICKI Haley. Let's say, for example, what was Ron DeSantis, Chris CHRISTI even if a vec Ramaswami or somebody, are you saying that, you may have thought differently.
I voted for Nicky Haley in the Texas primary.
I got you, so you would have voted for her for presidency if she had wanted Rebla.
There was a lot more to learn, right. You can't just you know, jump based up on what was happening to the point of the primaries. I didn't agree with everything she said, but I certainly would have considered it. And look, I like Talma. I don't want to throw her under the bus. She's smarter than people give her credit for. But I think she was really held back by her team. They would not let her do just basic things that would have made a lot of difference.
Marka, you are you a reachtered Republican?
No, I'm independent?
Okay, So am I. I just want to make sure I cover I checked that, you know. I asked that question because as I look at I've been taking a lot of heat because I've been pointing the finger the Democratic Party. I'm like, I ain't gotta apologize for a damn thing. I voted for vot. I voted for him, you know, and and I was rooting for them, but I was so disgusted because I felt that they got caught up in identity politics, cancer coach and all of
that stuff and wasn't talking about everything. Talk about that for a second.
So I mean, what did Donald Trump do that was really smart? And he just drove home right. He told every white guy, not just white guys, you know, guys who worked in big companies, that DEI was the reason why you weren't getting the job or why you weren't getting promoted. And he told people of color that, you know, or not just people of color, people who were in lower paying jobs, the reason why you weren't getting paid more is because immigrants were coming here illegally and taking
your jobs. And he wasn't wrong to a certain extent. You know, the Democrats were so you know about identity politics and you know, you know, we have to help all these underprivileged people. Well, we all want to help people who are disadvantaged, whether they're t whether they're black, whether they're white, whether they're poor, you know, whoever. We want to help those people. But you don't have to make it that you do what you do rather than
just talk about it. Right, and by just pushing all these agendas to push DI and I'm a fan of DEI, I think it really turned off a lot of people who felt like they were being diminished. And then there were you know, particularly in universities, the way they implemented DEI and spend tens of millions of dollars instead of just helping people that need help. Okay, Stephen, you need help, let me find a way to help you. That's what we're going to do. It was let's put together these programs,
let's spend all this money. Let's tell people that they are racist when they're not racist. There are plenty of racists. We don't need to call people who aren't racist racist.
And so, you know, doing things like that, you know, the whole sports transports issue, you know, it's like the old Willie Horton thing, you know, My attitude is, if there's a trans athlete, no matter what side, you let the opponent, whether it's an individual sport or a team sport, you let them decide if they wanted to compete against them or not, if they feel they can win, if
they feel it's not fair, it's up to them. But to make it just a national issue so that if you weren't supporting the fewer than ten trans athletes in the NC Double A, then you know you weren't a good person. I just people aren't ready for that yet, and you've got to meet people where they are. We've gotten we've taken this country so far in race, relationships, rations, and attitudes towards LGTBQ. You know it takes time. You
can't just force it down people's throat. And instead of trying to get it where the people who are being disadvantaged and being discriminated against are helped, they wanted to make it a campaign issue focused on helping the people, not using them to campaign.
How does it make any sense to you. Let's say, for example, this compartmental liize and take the trans athlete issue. We're talking about folks that make up less than one percent of the population, and they made it a big deal during their campaign. What kind of thinking do you connect that to? For the Democratic Party to take that kind of approach where there were vast swaths of the American electorate that they were ignoring in favor of a considerably smaller swathp how do you explain it?
I mean, you know, I get wanting to stand up for people who are being discriminated. Again, absolutely, I get wanting to stand up for people who are in pain, who are who can't get jobs because of how they look or how they sound, or where they're from, or what's happened to them. You know, the choices they've made and how they're identified. Help them, but you've got to look at the goal. How do you help them? Is
the goal? Not how do you make a point to you know, the rest of America that they're discriminatory and we're not. That. There's no value in trying to prove someone else discriminates and you don't, right. The value comes in focusing that energy on actually helping the people, not trying to use them to sell something.
Last question on this subject, I want to see if you agree or disagree with me on this. I'm looking at the Democratic Party, and I think there's a lot of spectacular local talent, and I like Jos Shapiro to governor of Pennsylvania. I really really like Wes Moore. I look at them and I say, yes, I like them. The way they're looking at politics, they might as well stay in their own state. I don't see a national
voice for the Democratic Party. So I'm of the mindset that as bad as this situation seems to be with tariffs and how it may potentially wreck our economy, if you're listening to a lot of centrist in those on the left, my other attitude is the best way to combat all of that is for the Dems to win
the mid term elections. And the best way for them to do that is by letting Donald Trump do what he wants to do so he can mess up, and that way you can slide up in there and recover from the disastrous, disastrous stuff that happened this past election. To say what, So, I.
Think the Democrats locally have to do things right. You're gonna get Bernie, You're gonna get AOC going out and going on their tour and get people amped up. And that's fine, right, But the reality is, let's just look at DOGE, right, the cuts that DOGE are is making to jobs, firing all those people, closing offices, canceling contracts to universities through the NIH, through you know, other organization, other agencies. Right, That has a disproportional impact on small
town America. So I read something that you know in Iowa City, Iowa that just through the NIH there were seventy nine million dollars in grants that look like they'll be canceled. That's very impactful in that district. And apparently the woman who won Republican who won, only won by eight hundred votes. You've got to go where you can help those people who are being disadvantaged by all these DOGE cuts. You go to Parkersburg, West Virginia, where there's
a Treasury office that has two thousand people. I don't know how many people are going to get fired, but
first hundred twenty five already have. When you fire one hundred and twenty five people in a pound that only has twenty nine thousand total, probably fifteen thousand working, and there's potential for another eighteen hundred and seventy five to be cutting in offices to be closed the Democrats need to be going there and talking to the mayors, talking to the tax assessory, talking to the people in the county and saying, look, this is all going to fall
on you. Everything's going to roll downhill and hit your budget and you're going to have to cut all these services. Let us work with you to come up with solutions so that you see the Democrats as the solution rather than the Republicans that are creating this problem. But if you just say Democrats bad, Trump bad, you know, every time you bring up Donald Trump in a small town, it's a trigger word one way or the other. There's
just no point to talk about him. What you've got to do is go in there and help the people that need help. And that's the thing you'll hear me talking about all the time. No matter what the tip. When these decisions like teriffs and those are made, there are people who are being disadvantaged. There are people who are losing their jobs, their livelihoods, their companies, their towns are not going to be able to offer the same services.
The COVID money that is using for there's now being used for a mental health clinic or an opioid clinic. Those are going to get cut. Who's going to come in there and help them resolve those issues that those cuts have created. That's what the Democrats need to do. They need to go in there and talk to those people, hold the town halls, listen to them, and rather than always having a Democrat standing behind e lectern lecturing, let those people who are facing these challenges talk for them.
Because if you hear somebody from Parkersburg, West Virginia, if you hear a cattle farmer from Nebraska, if you hear somebody at the University of Iowa who's studying the cure for cancer, whatever it may be. If you hear somebody in West virgin that used to work for the agency that make sure that there were safety in the coal mines, and you talk to the coal miners who now are scared to go and do their job. Put aside whether the environment, they're just terrified. You know that there's not
going to be stafety standards. Talk to those people and let them do the talking for you. That is how you going to get momentum if you're the Democrats.
Mark you launched cost plus Drugs in January twenty twenty two to cut the middleman out of getting prescription drugs into the hands of consumers, and that's helped millions. How will the new terriffs affect that business?
Right now, they're not. But what we'll do is if there's a ten percent, twenty percent terror, we'll add that on to the cost. So right now, the way cost plus Drugs works, you go to costplus drugs dot com. You put in the name of the medication. If we carry it, and we carry about twenty five hundred SKUs, it'll come up and we'll show you our actual costs and then we'll show you our markup, which is only fifteen percent, and because we only market up fifteen we're
almost always cheaper. If there's a tariff, we'll show you what the actual tariff is. We'll be completely transparent, and we'll show you what it is and hopefully, since it's you know, some percentage of a lower amount, will actually end up being even cheaper than the alternatives.
Are you going to run for president? Do you believe? You don't think so? Do you believe that you could beat any Democratic candidate out there?
Yeah?
So why would it you run when you have the heart the intelligence to make a difference, And obviously deep.
Pockets because I think I can really change healthcare and fix healthcare, and i'd rather be on that mission. And when I'm ninety five years.
Old and I'm on my deathbed and I'm thinking about life, I'd rather think about those minutes I spent with my kids and the time I was able to spend with them at this age, rather than running around on a campaign trail or even being in the White House.
What's your chances of fixing healthcare if this man is still in office?
I think, you know, he actually helps to a certain extent. Okay, how because I think the people he's putting in there
they need help, right they know what they don't know. Fortunately, and so the people that I've talked to have said, look, the doors wide open to come in and help us figure these things out, to show it, you know, to demonstrate to us why the pharmacy benefit managers are problems and why they're increasing the cost of medications while the insurance, the biggest insurance companies are increasing the cost of health care.
We're ready to listen. The people that he's appointed have said, or through their intermediaries have said, we're ready to listen. We think you can help I'm sending them data, so I think there's a path there.
And who are these people that he appointed that you alluded to? RFK Junior? Who him anybody else?
I hadn't talked to those guys, but I talked to people who work for them.
I got you. Let me transition back to sports before I let you get on out of here, because recently you went on You were on the All the Smoke podcasts with my boys, you know, Matt Bonds and Stephen Jackson. You have some great things to say about Stop play at Kyrie Irvin and what he means to you and what he means to the gay. He and I have had our differences in the past, but I know he's a good brother and I've offously even when we were butting heads, I religiously said, that's just he and I
button heads over something. I respect the hell out of that guy, and I know what a spectacular play he is. He's a good dude. Your thoughts about Kyrie Irving.
Love him to death. Man. He has just got a heart of gold and some you know, you could say that his biggest problem is he's you know, his heart is too big. But I love him. I care for him. I just want nothing but the best for him and his family. And oh, by the way, I don't have mind right now, but those Kyrie's I just got some of the newest ones. They're firevoys. Okay, so go out and try those two.
How's he doing? How's he doing mentally and otherwise? Sense of surgery.
I mean, he sees it as just another challenge that he's got to fight through. You know, you if you saw the you know you're showing the replay here, if you saw him at the three three throw when he you know, miles of the words, thank you God. That's how Kyrie approaches life, where he's like, this is what I've been given. I've been giving these these amazing talents, but I'm also going to be giving challenges and this is one more. And Kyrie has just got that focus
and that intensity. He's in a lot of respects. He's like Dirk in that respect where when Dirk got heard or something happened, Dirk found a way to fight through, and Kyrie's the same way.
You're back at a startup taking on TikTok is called Skylight. Talk about that.
Yeah, I mean there's a couple of actually that I'm working with that you know, who knows what happens with TikTok. But I'm big on a platform called oh my God, not I want to call him my space blue Sky. So I'm really big on a platform called Blue Sky, and Blue Sky is a moderated social media platform and working with Skylight that allows them to add TikTok like videos and the beautiful part of it. It's distributed, so there's no one person that can control it. But it's
moderated so you can have normal conversations. There's not people coming out with hate and anti Semitic things. You know, those people get booted off. So I can have real social media like conversations on Blue Sky. And so you can follow me there at mcuban and you can see all these things.
What's this about some change maker AI contest you've got going on?
Oh, that's with the Forward Party and so AI like you. AI is just the coolest shit I've ever seen in technology. It is just unreal. Like I've been through a lot of technological revolutions going way back, but there's nothing like artificial intelligence, and you know, doing things like creating videos
through text prompts. You could say you know show, create a video with Mark and Steven A talking about sports in front of you know this background, and just hit enter and it'll in two minutes it'll crank something out that you can start from. So, you know, prompt text to video, you know, talking to chat, GPT, you know, or Anthropic or all the different competitors Gemini, here's one for you, Steven. Have you heard of notebook LM?
I have?
Have you tried that?
I have not. I have not tried it, but I just heard about it the other day. I didn't know anything about it till the other day.
So this stuff is crazy, right, So take a transcript of this show, our interview and go to Google Notebook LM Studio and put it in there and create a podcast out of it. You'll be two people, a man and a woman that will just start talking about It'll be like, so stephen A had something interesting to stay about politics? What do you It's just insane. And why that's important is kids today gen z and younger don't
like to read. When we grew up, reading was it was fundamental, right, It was critically important to learning and being curious. Now people want to listen to podcasts. They want to, you know, watch and listen on YouTube. Being able to take things that are text and books and written and turning them into a podcast makes it easier to connect to your gen Z employees, gen Z students, whatever it may be. And I think just those types of tools from AI, they're going to change the world.
Don't you worry at all about the negative impact that can have on a job market. These computers, this new technology, it's going to cost a lot of American citizens, a lot of people throughout the world jobs. I'm talking about human beings. I mean that isn't that the truth?
Yes and no, there's going to be disruption during the transition times. I think overall it'll create a lot more jobs because it's a tool that can allow people to be more creative, to be smarter. You know, it's like having your own mentor available to you all the time. You know, if you don't have an advanced education, it can act as a professor that can answer your questions. So I think it'll make people more capable, competent, and
more employable. But in the intermis it's just like the old days, right you went from records to CDs and cassettes two DVD to digital and they're gone and people lost their jobs, and so it's unfortunate and you have to try to come up with programs that help them. But the reality is it's it's not going to stop. There's nothing you can do to stop it. Globally, and from a business perspective, there's going to be two types of companies, those who are great at AI and everybody else.
And the better part about it, Stephen, is that there's going to be twelve year old kids, fourteen year old kids that use AI to create billion dollar companies because they put in the time to understand where the opportunities are and the opportunities that AI creates, and they go to work with them. If I was sixteen and I always looking to start a company, I would be like the smartest dude on AI in my neighborhood and go to the small medium sized businesses and show them how
to use it. Or I would start my own business build around AI because it's going to be unstoppable.
Last question for you, back to basketball. If I said your twenty seven percent stake in the Dallas Mavericks is on the line. With the right answer to this question, who's meeting in the NBA Finals and who's gonna win it all?
What you're telling me the Dallas Mavericks are gonna shock the world?
What you stop that nonsense? But come on, man, I just asked you.
M f al to the core. You forget. I was the season ticket owner in the nineties when if we won eleven games, that was a good season, and so I am hardcore MAVs. You can never get me off of that ever.
Love you, man, It's good to see man. Thank you for being on the show. Buddy. I talked to you soon, all right, Stephen, thank you one and only Mark Cuban right here on the Steven A. Smith Show. That man special, That man special. I'll give that to him. The Mavericks, you ain't make a play. They might not. We'll talk about that later. Up next. There's an HVCU All Star Game scheduled to take place this week as well. We
can't forget to point that out because guess what. Yes, predominantly white institutions got a bulk a mullet of money and a bulk of talent. But HBCUs ain't no joke, y'all. I would know. I'm one of them. The founder for HBCU All Star Weekend and then some up next one and only Travis L. Williams with yours Truley right here on Stephen AX Smith Show Back for more. I mean,
welcome back to Steven AH Smith Show. As I said, I am a graduate of Winston Salem State University, very very proud graduate of HUH of an HBCU UH, which is something that obviously I talk about an awful lot. It's one of my missions in life to do everything that I can to help HBCUs continue to grow and to prosper, to gain the recognition and notoriety it so richly deserves across this nation. And what better way to tackle such a thing, to bring attention to such a thing,
about talking or then talking to my next guest. He's a special dude doing special things. I can't wait for y'all to hear from this man right now. My next guest is the founder of sports marketing and media company HBCU All Stars LLC. He's here to discuss the upcoming HBCU All Star Game as a proud graduate of Winston Salem State University. Anytime I can spotlight HBCUs, you know I'm about to do that. Please welcome mister Travis L. Williams to the show. What's going on? Travis? How are you?
Man?
How's everything everything?
Good man? Thank you for having me on the show.
Like I said, less than thirteen days, we're getting ready to host a historic and epic event, Final four weekend in a great city of San Antonio.
I can't wait for it. This is the fourth year the HBCU All Star Game. For those who may not be familiar with it, explain tell us what's going on?
Yeah, this is fourth a your HBCU All Star Game for the men and so. We currently have the nation's top twenty four men's HBCU All Stars represent all fort They and out our prestigious HBCUs from our four premier Black College Conference, a conference that you're familiar with.
To see double A, Big Claars, Big House Games.
The SIEC, the Swack, the me at our independent schools Tennessee State, Hempton, North Carolina, an t So, we have some of the nation's top black college basketball players. For more point, as you mentioned, the first ever women HBCU All Star Game ever. Okay, the forty year history of the NCAA March Madness turnmer so This is going to be a historic doubleheader beaching the nation's top men and the nation's top twenty four women that will represent the culture of black college basketball.
Are both games. Are both games gonna be played on the same day. It's gonna be sepid days.
Now that's a doubleheader.
So our men would start twelve pm Central Standard time one pm Eastern Time in San Antonio and our women game immediately following. So we're truly excited for this historic moment first time ever.
Now, the game has been televised on CBS for Sports for the last three years, but now you have a new broadcast partnership. Talk about that for a second.
Yeah, it's been a we had a great historic ron there with CBS Sports for the past three years. We just reached announced a partnership with the CW network that we're truly excited with the seed of network, but also a few days ago NBC Universal hecock plus NBC Sports Channel, So both men and women HBCU All Stars games will actually have a national and global platform to showcase the
best in black college basketball. Truly excited about that, and we're really excited for this great opportunity in partnership.
Let me get back to the women for a second here, because I'm just looking at my notes. First round of NCAA Tournament, number thirteen c Norfolk State gave Maryland a run for its money or right before falling in that matchup, Southern University defeated UC San Diego for its first NCAA tournament, winning seven appearances. To the growth of the WNBA influence your decision to add the ladies game for this HBCUO sooe, Well.
In this business, we already knew we were going to have the women game, but in space, as you know, you a HBC, you grab, we got to make sure there was right and so you just mentioned the three year partnership with CBS four.
The foundation of blueprint was already knew, we knew was going to be there.
And so at the three historic years back to back sellouts in Houston in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four in Phoenix where you know that no HBC exists, the time is now greater quality, greater exposure, greater access for our women in this game of basketball.
So we truly excited that.
But you can see the height of where the WNBA women's basketball is going and so we truly excited to bring this historic moment for our women's basketball.
Is it possible that women's basketball is becoming almost as popular as the men's basketball on the collegiate level.
Oh, definitely, no doubt, no doubt.
When we first announced it in November that we were doing the women's HBCU also, it was the most trending thing possible, and as you saw, it affected our numbers in Phoenix, It's affected every numbers, even for the NCAA Tournament women's basketball. And the level that they plan and the prestige that is bringing, it's at an all time hot.
My daughter plays middle school basketball, so you know, I'm a big of really pushing the initiative with our women in sports, and so a lot of my staff memories, I'm surrounded by women in sports. So I think it's very important that we give them their justice, we give them their exposure, we give them their access that's well deserved.
Is it possible that you're visualizing what I'm visualizing that there's a possibility that women in sports I'm talking Madison Avenue, I'm talking marketing dollars has the potential to grow in popularity in a way that arrival the men, because whereas the men talent speaks for itself, you know, in terms of their gender. The flip side to it is that
women appear to be a bit more trustworthy. Not only are their ultra talented, but they don't they seem to be a bit more trustworthy and reliable when it comes to marketing. Is that something that you've been paying attention to, monitoring or taking into consideration at all?
I think for me when the visual launch in October two thousand nineteen, at the seventeen successful years of coaching, I'm a former prestigious coach at two age pcus Tennessee State University and Fort Valley State Union.
I played Chaer State Universe.
So I've kind of been on both sides of the isle and really seeing the difference between the have and
the have nots in this space. To be able to bude this national global platform for our women speaks in volumes and so when we're announced it in November and what you could see now when we announced the top twenty four women this past Monday, and so I think it speaks in volume to their as you mentioned, their marketability, their talent own and off the court and women in sports in general, So we're just truly excited about what it could bring.
I wanted to ask you this too, because I'm just paying attention to all of this other stuff, and you know, with this game going on, this HBCU game coincided with basketball or your championship weekend, what other events do you have taken place because this championship weekend going on, I'm just wondering how y'all gonna fit in with all of this.
Well, I think that's a great question.
You know, I'm a former college basketball coach, so we're integrated with everything that goes around the basketball game really impactful. But what we do off the court, Stephen I you mentioned we do a college admissions fair where we've invited all one hundred plus of our HBCUs to come to San Antonio and participate. Our ultimate goal in San Antonio is to touch over ten thousand from our previous three.
HBCU also a game of high school students that we've been able to expose to our HBCUs across the country. Look at the stats. If anyone knows the status, you know the stats. Four hundred and fifty NBA players, thirty NBA teams, one hundred and forty four WNBA players twelve WNBA teams. We have zero representation of HBCUs on this ross. The last player that we know that you're very familiar Philadelphia seventy six Robert Covington play for me at Tennessee
State University. So just think about that when we hear those stats. That's the hard reality because we know we're just as talented, but being able to provide a global national platform for our HBCUs matter. And so we do a pro day combine on that Friday prior to the All Star Games on Saturday. We took it one step further.
We hire BAM Testing company that comes in and do all our measurements, so when our scouts come in attendance, we're able to handle our measurement because we know a lot of times they're not going to our HBCU campuses and recruiting and seeing our guys, but a platform like this makes it very very important for them, and we know they're being town visit those final four participating teams. You know that's important. Our community outreach engagement is important.
We hope we do a legacy court dedication there in each one of those hosting cities, and as you know, with the landscape everything going on, we're big in a social justice and civil rights. It's a part of what we do being crumping. A lot of our leaders, they come to our All Star Games every year in a major part of this because this is important for our culture.
This is important for our community. As you know, the nca has been around forty plus.
Years, There's never been an HBCU All Star Game of this magnitude for both men and women during a space of final full week.
Without question. And I think it's a very big thing. And I love the fact that you brought a Robin coming because I just saw him when I took first take my day's job at ESPN, when I took the show to Tennessee State a few months ago, he was right there in the tennis. They got a lot of
love for that brother. And then I'm looking at it right now, HBCU's making his history and other sports, Howard only HBCU with an NCAA Division one swimming and diving program, Fisk first to have a gymnastics program, Xavier University first and only men's and women's rowing program in Tennessee State only HBCU with an ice hockey team, so we know the talent is there when we're talking about HBCUs. I tell people that all the time. Don't think I'm the brightest,
trust me. There's a whole lot of talent that emanates from HBCU. Somehow, some way, we've got to get We've got to gone to the level of notoriety that they so richly deserve. Speak to the power of HBCUs. Despite having you were resources and what can be done to elevate the profile of HBCUs even more so than what you're doing right now.
Yes, and that's important.
Like I said, have an opportunity owning off the basketball court, being able to show.
The world that HBCUs matter.
We believe in ieron oil and as anyone can attest to this, we believe in exposure, access, recognition, opportunity, resources and results for our prid of prestiges HBCUs hard working talent, ambitious and very deserving students and student athletes nationally and global around the world.
The time is now.
We think it's important that in less than thirteen days we get rid a host of a historic doublehead of matchup featuring the nation's top men and women HBCU All Stars during Final Four weekend, college basketball Biggest weekend. We need to make sure that we send a loud and clear message. The important is what this means to us in our HBCU community. If you can't be in attendance, watch it on television live on stream. Support our HBCU All Star Scholarship Fund. We have an hbc YOU All
Star Staff Scholarship Fund. Stephen there as you mentioned, you know about some of our HBCU If there's a student out there in need of financial assistance, we're here to support. You know, if there's a curate HBCU student in there struggling on their HBCU campus, we're here to support through our HBCU All Stars initiative. We want to make sure folks understand you're one of the brightest that come through.
One of the best examples wins the Salem State Clarence Big House Game and the platform that you're having in bringing us here to be able to elevate HBCUs. And so there's not a stigma with HBCUs.
We're just as talent as anyone else.
We're just looking for the same opportunity, the same acts as the same resources opportunities, and I think that's what's important for us in this culture.
Now.
The found themselves marketing and media company HBCU All Star LLC. The one and only Travis L. Williams right here on the Steven Emistory. The HBCU All Star Game airs live Sunday, April sixth on the CW Network. To attend the game, visit HBCU All Star Game dot Com for ticket information. Travis, appreciate you, my brother, Always here for you and man, thank you for coming on the show. I'll talk to you soon.
I appreciate you. You keep it great work that you're doing, my brother.
Thanks again, the one and only Travis L. Williams. Continue to do the great work that you've been doing, my man. We definitely definitely appreciate you and need to hear more from you in the future, make no mistake about that. That is it for this edition of The Stephen A. Smith Show. Final four Weekend is in the house. I'm picking Duke in North Carolina. I'm sorry, Duke in Florida. Duke North Carolina's that rivalry thing that I can never
let go off. But it's Duke Florida. I expect to win their semifinals matchups over the weekend and meet on Monday for the national championship. That's who I'm rolling with. You come South Carolina. I'm predicting nail meet for the national title as well. And women's college basketball. I pick South Carolina to cut down the nets, but I'm sort of shaky on that because Page Beckers. There's no joke. I was for Florida, but Cooper flag, but Walters Clayton Junior,
but Cooper Flag. I'll let you know how I feel about that men's national championship game on Monday. Let's make sure Duke and Florida get there first. Until next time, everybody, Peace of love and enjoy your weekend. God bless