Unveiling the Paranormal Activities at Stonehenge

My listener story today is a conversation I had with Jason over at the Ud and Untold podcast . I'm going to check that out . That's going to be where my listener story section is . It's going to be the conversation . We had A bit of a longer episode today because I'm getting that in as well . I had a great time talking to Jason .

Thank you so much for having me on your show . Like we said loads of times , it's been a long time coming . I've been talking for ages about it and we finally did it . It was pretty good . If I do say so myself , we'll go check him out . You'll be obviously here in our conversation a bit later in the show .

My main story today , keeping in theme with Jason's podcast about strange things and spooky things , my main story today is a UFO story from one of the UK's most famous landmarks . Funnily enough , it was voted one of the most disappointing sites as well , but its history is incredible and goes back thousands and thousands of years . The location is a Stonehenge .

That's our main story there . Then I took a round for the Film Club . At the end I'll be talking about signs . Obviously we're staying with the Alien story . This week it's going to be an extra terrestrial . I don't really know where I was going with that pun . I was just going to say it's an extra spooky show with aliens and stuff today .

Thank you for sticking with me . I know you all liked the missing 411 , but I love doing these main episodes as well . I've got to say it's spooky season . I am recording this on the 2nd of October . It's coming out later today . Finally , spooky season is here . It's quite nice in the UK at the minute . It's still a bit warm .

Sometimes it's not totally freezing cold all the time , but today you can really tell the weather is coming over . It's a lot more gloomy and I'm here for it . I really am . That's what we're getting into . That's all I've said , and all that out the way . Let's jump straight into my main story this week . My main story this week comes from Stonehenge .

As I always do I like getting a little bit of history of it . The first activity around Stonehenge happened over 9000 years ago . Three tree trunks were raised by hunter gatherers close to where the stone monument would later be built . These were sort of like totem poles . They may have marked events such as celebrated important people and places .

They were sort of placed all over the UK . Those lived in Europe between the end of the last Ice Age , so 10,000 years ago and the farmers roughly about 6,000 years ago , lived successful lives by hunting , gathering and fishing Hence the name .

At the end of the last Ice Age , however , britain was connected to Europe via landmass known as Doggerland II , until it flooded around 6500 BC due to rising sea levels . Once farming spread from Europe to Britain around 4000 BC , communities in Britain and Ireland redefined their relationship with nature and the land .

Farming introduced by European migrant communities replaced the old ways of hunting and gathering . I feel like we're on an episode of haunted histories , horrible histories or something like that . There's a lot to take in there , but basically , you know , the land goes back a long time .

Obviously it is said that the remains of a feast held close to Stonehenge around 3900 BC offers a rare glimpse of exchanges between hunter-gatherers . In the first farmer communities , those gathered a farmed beef and hunted venison .

Chemical analysis apparently this is my source on the internet Chemical analysis shows that the two groups came from different places and their meat was prepared in different ways . The area of Stonehenge served as an important meeting place and a turning point for certain societies as they come together , of worldviews , languages , customs and traditions .

The remains of the shared meal mark the end of thousands of years of hunter-gatherers way of life . By 3900 , I can't get these numbers out my head 3500 BC , the wider landscape around Stonehenge was being used for religious devotion by farming communities . Obesity of the sun played a huge role even at this early stage of human civilization .

A monument known as a curses was built , with glistening white chalk sides stretched for 3km east to west , enshrining processions and the sun's passage .

Discovered in 1723 , this huge rectangular enclosure was first thought to be a Roman chariot race course curses meaning race course in Latin , visible vidages in the banks and curses is still a key aspect of the landscape today . So what I think this is referring to because I know it's a lot to take in when you listen to it is basically called a henge .

So I watched an episode of Expedition Truth . It's really good . It's on Amazon Prime , I mean . The presenter's a bit much , but he means well . But basically he was sort of talking about the history of Stonehenge .

So a henge is basically just like imagine a motor around a castle , so basically like a ditch , but not filled with water and whatever's inside it is inside a henge . So the stone's at Stonehenge , obviously there's a little ditch around them , so that's what makes them a henge and they're stones Very inventive names .

But yeah , and he sort of tracked the henges and how old they were all the way from Stonehenge , which is in England , up to Wales and then up to the very far north of Scotland and the Shetland Islands . So yeah , it's a really good episode , so go watch it . I mean it's sort of like to me it's all about pagan rituals .

Like what they said in that episode was pagans of Scotland had these henges because they were the oldest ones that they could find in the show and basically they sort of migrated through Wales and England and took these things , like these signs of home with them and they sort of made their own as they went . So that's where I kind of think they come from .

And yeah , if you're into Doctor who , there's also a great episode and plot line . I don't know , everyone says David Tennant's their favourite , but Matt Smith was the OG for me Like best Doctor , best storylines . But there's an episode where all of his enemies trap him inside Stonehenge , inside the Pandorica it's like Pandora's Box , basically , such a good episode .

Lots of aliens in that episode around Stonehenge , let's put it that way . But yeah , moving forward , stonehenge became a place where the sun's course was observed and celebrated . It signalled the changing of the seasons , including the end of winter , a meaningful moment for farming communities . Large gatherings and celebrations were held here .

So obviously that sort of goes back to what I was saying then . My thoughts on it is it's a very pagan thing , very pagan rituals . It's all about the sun and worshiping the sun . Yeah , so that's what I think it is , that's what I think they were used for . But obviously there are theories , because these stones are tons and tons in weight .

But how did they get there ? I mean , some people think that there's like a UFO theory that they are used for navigation , because there's other landmarks like this across the world , that they use for navigation by extraterrestrials , or that humans made them as a tribute to the beings that were seen in the sky .

You know , go back to hieroglyphics and sort of cave drawings , and there is always like stick men or men that people have carved into rocks and walls with something in the sky . You know , it's always been there , but yeah , but all those theories out the way .

For the first time in a while , I can say relax , turn down the lights , as it's time for the story I like to call . They come at night . The date was the 20th of September 2016 . And remember the date is that was the day that my life changed .

Before this incident , I would never have believed that there were forces out there in the universe that us as humans , cannot comprehend . My name is David and just before Christmas in 2016 , myself and my sister Alice decided to have a bit of a catch up before heading to our parents house for the Christmas itself .

Like most of our get togethers , things can get a bit hectic and we thought a few chilled out days in the cold , crisp December air would be a good time . I moved out about a year ago to Scotland for work and we decided to book a log cabin in the new forest close to home .

The new forest is a national park in southern England which is just beautiful Tall and verboding trees which create a large treetop canopy in areas with thick and dense woodland . We found this log cabin on Airbnb with a hot tub that looked just perfect for us to relax in . The first day went great .

We caught up , made some food and even went for a hike around a nearby lake and trail . Alice fell asleep on the couch in front of the log fire and I placed a blanket over her and went to bed . The time was then 3.30am and I woke up to shivers all over my body . I sat up and I just felt like something wasn't right .

I stepped out of my bedroom and into the now almost pitch black log cabin with just a few embers still lighting the living room . I went to walk back to my room when I heard some mumbling . It was Alice . She was still asleep on the couch , but in some sort of distress . She started screaming and I shook her awake . Alice , alice , wake up .

You haven't a nightmare . She woke up and explained that for a few nights she'd had a nightmare that there were . These animals were at her window watching her sleep . They were wrecking out animals such as owls , squirrels , foxes . However , they had these large black eyes that seemed to pierce her soul .

She said they always come at night in her dreams , but she can see them right now behind me . I felt shivers all down my spine . Alice was crying as I stood up and turned her on the outside light . See , there's nothing there . Alice , come on , let's get you to bed . I got up to sleep and then sat down in the chair in her room and fell asleep myself .

Safety in numbers , I supposed , just in case there was something out there . The next day I woke up and Alice was already getting ready for the day . She had said she had booked us tickets to a popular tourist attraction only about two hours away . It was Stonehenge . We used to go there sometimes as kids and thought it would be something nice to do .

I couldn't really say no , given she'd already booked the tickets . So I got ready and we got in the car and I drove a slightly northwest from where we were staying . We stopped for food and a coffee , but Alice just seemed to be not there with me . It was like she was deep in thought . In the UK we would say no lights are on , but nobody's home .

So now the date was the 21st of December and it was the winter solstice , aka the shortest day of the year , so by the time we got there most of the sunlight hours had passed . Given it was so close to Christmas , the place was actually pretty busy .

The air was cold and crisp and the sky was clear for now , and by the time we had walked around and read all the information about Stonehenge , the light was getting real low in the sky . The temperature had dropped some more and I could now see the breath in front of my face .

The way Stonehenge is laid out is there's a small circular path around the stones themselves , but you are not allowed to walk between them . The atmosphere that day was really strange . I can't put my finger on it , but I was on the edge the whole time and I couldn't relax for some reason . It's like I was constantly being watched .

It started to get even darker , but because it was so early , we had not asked to leave yet . But then I looked past the stones and could see these lights in the sky In the distance , not like any plain lights I've ever seen . There were three small orange balls in a rector in a triangular formation moving slowly towards Stonehenge .

I looked away for a second and saw that my sister had seen that there was no stuff about and had made a room for the stones . I chased after her and this is where the story really takes a turn . I ran towards her and she was , her hand pressed against one of the larger stones . I grabbed her arms and said Alice , we're not allowed to be here .

I resisted , but then she finally turned around and her eyes were black as black as coal . I jumped back and even went colder all over . It was also at this point I heard slight rustling behind me Behind one of the stones .

I turned the flashlight on my phone and looked around and saw on one of the stones an owl , a squirrel and a fox staring at me and Alice . I was strangely seeing all these animals together . But what was even more strange was their eyes . They were black and disproportionate to the bodies , almost oval shaped .

They just sat there , perched on one of some of the Stonehenge rocks , staring at us . I felt a sense of unease like never before and just when it all got too much , I heard voices shouting and screaming and it was the Stonehenge staff coming towards me and I noticed a flash light shining and a real angry tone to their voice .

They escorted us back to the car park and told us not to come back . We got in the car , both shaken up by the events . In between those ancient stones , I started to drive us back to the cabin . I was so angry with Alice . I never been so embarrassed . What did you think you were doing ? I shouted . Why did you go between the stones ?

But before she could answer me , something caught my attention in the rear view mirror . It was dark and driving down this a-road , there was not much other traffic , but those lights were back in the distance and gaining on us . My sister just sat there in the passenger seat with her head in her hand . She was so scared of something these lights maybe .

I put my foot down and thought if I made it to the new forest , these lights might not be able to follow us . And after five minutes of breaking what felt like the land speed record , we made it through into some deep woodland there was no street lighting , just woodland either side of us on a small dirt road .

I thought , yes , we would be home safe soon . And then the engine on my car started to splutter . I just looked down for just a second and my sister screamed look out , a deer was in the middle of the road just standing there and I slammed on the brakes and stopped just in time .

I asked Alice if she was okay and we looked forward and the deer was staring at us and you guessed it , it had those huge black eyes . It started to walk slowly towards the car and suddenly a huge light shone down on the car itself , like a floodlight on a football field . It was so bright .

It seemed like there were now many woodland animals in the woods around us staring at us Foxes , badgers , squirrels , owls and more deer and all those black , soulless and piercing eyes . It was all overwhelming and I became dizzy . And the next thing I remember I was back in the driving seat with Alice sitting in the passenger seat looking through her phone .

The dark , ominous feel had gone for now . Anyway , she seemed to be back to herself and was smiling again . We arrived back at our cabin and made ourselves comfortable on the couch . It wasn't until up to the clock that something didn't quite sit right with me .

We left Stonehenge around 5pm and given my speeding , we should have been home around 6.30pm , but it was 10.30pm at night . I mean it couldn't be . Where did that time go ? I asked Alice , and we both couldn't explain it . We never really explained where that time had gone .

We just made ourselves some food and went to bed , and the next day we packed up our things and drove to our parents for Christmas . We didn't think of our trip to Stonehenge , nor do we really speak about it again .

However , it wasn't until a couple of days later I found some kind of mark in my neck , a small circular mark where there never was one , like a scarf from maybe where I'd been stabbed with a needle or something . After noticing this , I started having nightmares , nightmares that animals were watching me through my window .

Even when I sleep , the curtains closed , they somehow are open by the morning and these small needle marks keep appearing over my body . What is watching me ? I don't know what is stalking me . I'm most terrified , lee . What is abducting me ? Another intense story , right ? I mean , I know a lot .

You guys listen to my podcast when you fall asleep and Lizzie the cat is sat right next to me . She slept through all that and she must be really enjoying it too .

But yeah , I mean , what I love about that story is , I mean , ufos like , like my partner said , a very sort of on-trend and , like me , and me and Jason get into a bit during our conversation , which you'll hear very shortly . But yeah , I mean , that's one of the main things that interests me about UFO abduction stories is where does that time go ?

That's what a lot of people say . Is they miss time , like there's supposed to be somewhere at certain time , but but they got that hours later . You know , they've got this missing period in there in their day or their night where they just can't remember what happened . And Is there something out there monitor us , spy on us , doing experiments on us , who knows ?

I don't know .

I don't know if I buy into the whole facts that they're doing experiments on us all the time , but , yeah , just thought it was a good story and yeah , let's jump straight into my Conversation with Jason and so , yeah , so it's not really listen a tale , it's just a conversation we both had About each other's podcasts , about each of his experiences and , yeah ,

hope you enjoy it . So the next voice after the intro here is mine , jason's . And then stick around , listen to it and then go give him a follow over odd man told and then come back and Come back ready for film club . Okay , oh yeah , it's been so long . Thank you for having me . Yeah , it's Um , we've been talking for well over about a year now .

And I know you give me shout outs all the time on your show . I try to give you shout outs on my show a lot , so it's nice to have that support and not that competition and just to sort of say like here's another great podcast to listen to . Um , and yours is really one that I do follow .

I've been following you since the early days and , like I said , like when we first kind of found each other , um , and used to do like the , the campfire tales and Uh , just you know you had kind of offshoots of your show where you were doing the campfire tales .

You had your main shows and then you kind of moved into the missing 411 and I'm sorry I'm talking a lot here . So so tell me a little bit about how , like how and why you started your podcast .

But , um , but yeah , it started because I used to Listen to a podcast I don't know if you've heard it , um called scared to death , mm-hmm , oh yeah , and I sort of obviously that's the married couple trying to scare each other , basically and um , I just thought I'd just moved to London . So I was like got a new job .

Obviously covid hit um , and I was just looking at this . I was listening to podcasts more and more and I got like a really good friend down here that I worked with and she was like into all spooky stuff and Um , and basically I said , look , should we just you know you listen to scared to death like , should we just , should we start something like that ?

Um , so , yeah , so we started a podcast called the haunted hangover . So it's basically her coming round to my flat and we just tell these stories to each other , have a few drinks , that sort of thing , um , which was good , it was nice , it was just she .

So After a few probably about six , seven months it was she wasn't , didn't have the heart of it like I did , which is fine . She sort of stopped speaking to me for a few days because she was worried I was gonna go off on it . I was like no , it's like fine , like just you know it's absolutely fine . I mean it's easier because I don't have to .

If I want to change something , I can just do it . Yeah , yeah , you know um , but yeah , no , so she's , yes , obviously still really good friends of her , um , and it's sort of like I sort of changed my format a bit because obviously that was a conversation between two people , um , and that's where spooky island radio came from .

It's sort of Myself finding research and writing some stories , um , and putting them out and then , yeah , that's that's sort of how it came around and campfire tales were the shorter episodes because I was sort of doing them weekly , um , which is really hard . I don't know how you do it . I don't know how you do it , um .

So the campfire tales were obviously just stories I'd sourced from places that I was telling . So it was easier for me to um do it weekly , but I just sort of found my heart wasn't in it as much . And then I did one of my main episodes on missing 411 and I seen this huge spike , this huge spike , and I was like , oh , um .

So I did another couple of episodes and they always seem to sort of Do quite well , and the more I sort of fall down the rabbit hole , the more I realized what she I quite enjoy . Enjoy this as well .

There's a bunch of books and it's about missing people and I never really gave it much attention , yeah , until maybe like the past year or so , and I started getting really into it and you know , we can get into that in a little bit . Yeah , I mean , it's such a An interesting phenomenon because it's , it's . Is it paranormal ? Is it natural ? Is it like ?

No , no matter how you cut it , it's weird . You know , like even if it's completely , just , totally normal and these people are just you know , dying of exposure or animal attacks or just getting lost or whatever it is .

It's just an interesting , weird phenomenon that it happens so much and it happens and like with the same sort of set of Symptoms , I guess you will or like a pattern . Yes , exactly that's the word I was looking for . Yeah , I mean , sorry , I sort of put my finger on it .

So it's sort of blends the two and obviously true crime is huge . I think that's why people like it so much . Yeah , and it's just it .

There's so many just weird instances where these people , you know , sometimes they're never found again , but their clothing is found and it's like neatly folded on a rock somewhere , or they survive , and , you know , sometimes it's like little children , it's like a two-year-old , and they end up like eight miles away , yeah , and the little girl or little boy , yeah ,

and the little girl or little boy will say , oh , yeah , like a friendly bear took care of me . And you hear the same sort of thing over and over again , like , and it's like friendly bear , you know , like that doesn't make sense , yeah , because bears are not friendly , exactly , exactly .

So you , you know , you have all these and there's so many other weird uh patterns and and Uh clues for these missing 411 cases where it's just there , always seems to be like a weird weather pattern , right after the person goes missing , which makes searching for them , you know , difficult , like snow or rain , or their body is eventually found in a place where

it has been searched numerous times before . So Monday , tuesday , wednesday , thursday , they're searching the same area . Then Friday , like here's the body and it's like how did we miss this ? We've been over , you know . Just very strange . And again , I'm not saying it's paranormal , it's just a very bizarre phenomena .

Like you say the weather , previously searching somewhere and now they're just , they're there . It's like how many times do you Ignore those patterns before you say , actually Something is going on which don't know what it is ?

And you know , as somebody who's hiked in the woods many , many times , like that's , it's easy to lose sight of someone . It really is like you know , because I go camping with my buddy a lot and he'll go off , you know , to go take a leak and he goes 10 feet into the woods and I can't see him anymore . But I can still hear him .

I can see here the footsteps , we can talk to each other , but seeing him can be kind of tough , but we can kind of talk to each other .

So you'd think like if someone just went off trail and something happened , if it was an animal attack or a person like , you'd hear a scream yeah , you're a scuffle , you'd hear something and it's just they're walking , and then they turn around and the person's gone or the kid is gone and yeah , very strange . So very strange phenomenon .

Very strange , yeah , but I always love your episodes on it . I mean yeah , no , thank you , it's great and , uh , I did a show on missing 411 Way back Um with a couple of my co-hosts . But yeah , I mean I love your show because you really are a great person , your show because you really drill down into like specific Cases every week .

You know , sort of Just going into like what I can research , what I can find , and that's all I say , you know , and then I give my opinion on it . But I'm not Dramatizing it in any way like I do with , like my main , my main episodes , and yeah , I just really enjoy sitting down and writing them and researching , because it's just more chilled out .

I mean , I'm single guy , doesn't make me too long to cook , but I listen to those usually when I'm cooking . And then the longer form episodes I usually listen to when I'm sitting outside having a beer or a cigar and , just you know , chilling after a long day . So , yeah , they've gotten me through this past year .

I listen to a lot of your episodes and I think , yeah , like once you I mean I love the campfire tales . I remember listening to those a lot because , yeah , they were just very chill . Just you know , listen to , you know someone tell the ghost story and and very cool . And then you switch the missing 411 and I was like , man , these are really good .

So Congrats on those . Yeah , I'm glad . I'm glad they got you like the , the bump in in listeners .

But you know , props to you for you know going along with it , thank you . Yeah , and so I look forward to your episodes every week , and I know you just celebrated your 50th episode .

But I was like God , I think I took a bit of time out , sort of the end of last year , just a couple of months , just to get my head straight a bit . But but yeah , 50 episodes , god , you're just past that , aren't you ? About 50 , 60 now ?

I got really sick and kind of lost my voice and I could say here for a podcast it's a little , a little essential and it was just I was tired , you know , I wasn't sleeping , I was coughing constantly and my voice was just very squeaky and I could , I could talk very monotone , but I couldn't go above that .

Like if I went up like that , it was like oh , like it was just like a pubescent boy and so I was like I'm not doing it . I'm taking two weeks off . Yeah , take two weeks , yeah . So yeah , it happens . Yeah , sorry .

Once while you're cooking , I've had people like speak to me , you know , message me on Instagram or or TikTok or something like that and like I find it really strange Don't know if I've ever said this to you , but like they tell me , like they fall asleep listening to my episodes and I'm just like as if you want my voice to be the last thing you hear .

But some people like it .

I could totally see that Like people just relaxing to it because they are chill , they're I mean , they're spooky , but you have this sort of cadence when you , when you speak , that's very just relaxing . And like I fall asleep a lot to paranormal TV shows or documentaries , whatever .

My son doesn't get it , you know , he's 16 and he's like how do you like doesn't that scare you ? And I'm like no , for me like this is like relaxing .

So I can and I've done it to podcasts as well , not yours , cause , like I said , I usually listen to yours when I'm up and about , but other podcasts in the past , or like paranormal TV shows or whatever that I don't put much into , but you put them on and it's just background noise and white noise .

Yeah , yeah , I conk out , but for me , like the spooky stuff is just soothing in that way . Yeah . I'm a little bit of a couple yeah . Not out in the woods .

18 years ago and , um , sort of my , we lived down south , just past London , me and my family , and we were moving up north cause my dad's got another job , so we're moving , um , and basically me and my older sister went to live with my nan and granddad so we could get into the schools and start our learning stuff .

Um , and in the meantime my dad was up and down working but looking for a house at the same time and I always remember they basically bought a house after a few months of this and we said , oh you know , are you going to take us to see it ? And they were like , oh no , we're not taking you to see it , you just see it when you move in .

It's , okay , a bit strange , um , but I'm like 12 years old , so you know I can't argue it . Um , and basically , yeah , they bought the house and we , the first time me and my sister seen it was the night we moved in and then , like you know , sleep on a mattress and stuff like that . Well , we got everything sorted and apparently this is what I remember .

I've spoken to my mum about it recently . But apparently the old man and woman who lived there didn't have kids , didn't like kids . So if they'd known it was like a family that was moving it and then they wouldn't have sold it . So that's why we never seen it . Um , and it was . It was a nice house , it was like a new-ish build . It was .

It's only been those people in it . Um , and me and my mum were big into the paranormal shows you know watching Most haunted . It was over in the UK . I don't know if you've ever seen it , um , it was one we used to watch like religiously , um , so , so my mum's quite open to it , so we speak quite a lot about it .

Um , and basically we got a card through the door . I've been there for a few years at this point Nothing had happened , didn't feel anything , and uh , I opened it and it was like , uh , with sympathy cards . The old guy had died . They obviously told everyone they'd moved to dress . So that's strange . And then didn't think anything of it .

And then a couple of weeks later I was , um , it was like a Saturday , no one else in the house , it was broad daylight and I'm sort of unlearning bass at the same time .

So I'm about 15 now , um , and I'm sort of sort of stood up in my room playing my bass along to some music and just like moving my head a little bit and then out the corner of my eyes and move it back . I just sort of see like a shadow at the top of the stairs . But it's , it's so fast , cause I'm like moving my head to the music .

I'm just I just think , is that something ? I like put turn the music off and put my bass down . And I went in a vest . I was like like asking if my mom , dad was there . Nobody , um , but it was like it was broad daylight and I see it as as in the light of day .

It's like this , this shadow going down the stairs , as if it's walking through the hallway down the stairs , um , so that was my first experience . I sort of put two and two together with the card . I was like , oh , is it ?

Maybe I don't know , um , but the main experience was probably a few weeks later and it was this um , like really vivid dream I was having .

So , like , my bedroom door was like on the latch so it wasn't shut fully , but if you you pushed it against the door , you'd hear it go like you know , like um , and I was having this really weird dream and it was like and I've spoken to people about it and it sounds like an out of body experience sort of thing but basically I was sort of speaking it

sounds really strange , I know , but I was like speaking to this shadow that was on the other side of the door , and a bit of back and forth , and then I said something along the lines of like oh , I don't believe that I saw you the other week , I don't believe it's you , now you have to show me . Famous last words .

And then , like , I heard like the door open , like click , and then I seen myself from the perspective of the shadow . So I saw myself lying in bed and then I like rushed towards myself and then I woke up , basically all cold , sweating and and all this and yeah , it was terrifying . Wow , it's terrifying .

But it sort of changed because we sort of I sort of had that experience . I had a little sister at that point who used to sleepwalk , used to scare the absolute crap out of me . I'd hear something in the middle of the night and I'd get up and she just run past , oh God . So that didn't help . It's like a white nightgown as well . She just run past me .

After that it was really strange . It sort of almost became like a friendly ghost to me anyway .

So he went upstairs , got into bed and then about 45 minutes later Me and a few friends sort of sat in the living room and the stairs are just there right by the door and I was stood up against like the door frame and they were speaking to me and I just went it's , it's Martin , just gone upstairs .

I was like , no , we went upstairs about 45 minutes ago and I was like why ? And they were like I've just seen like the shadow , like a person's shadow , going up the stairs and I was like , oh yeah , well , he's been in bed for 45 minutes , don't know what to tell you .

So they've seen something , but I never seen it again , basically Interesting , so that sort of sparked like my whole paranormal thing . Of course .

So before it started , I was sat next to these , these three women , and they had all their own equipment , all their own ghost balls you know those kitten balls that they use these days and they're like REM pod and stuff like that . I said , oh , like you know , you must be into it . And they were like , yeah well , you just can't trust their equipment .

I was like , oh , I suppose they could be rigging it . Yeah . And a couple of things happened . But I just we were in this massive haunted asylum . You know it's going to be scary , regardless of whether there's ghosts at it , because it's pitch black and it's huge and it was an old mental asylum . So it's , you know it's going to be scary . And they did .

We did like a Ouija board and it was what I didn't , but it was other people did and it was flat . There's like no energy , no nothing .

And then sort of went into this corridor where they used to lock all the naughty children in cupboards , and we got into cupboards and I sort of thought I heard something behind me , sort of like scrape past me and I thought , ok , I'm getting out this cupboard now . So that was unexplained because that was like something I was , someone could .

It wasn't a piece of equipment somebody could have been messing with . I was like stood there , it was like , it was like the Chokey and Matilda if you've ever seen Matilda , that's what these cupboards were like , ok . And it was like right behind me and I thought , ok , that's , that's interesting .

And there were some tapings when we were doing like table tipping and stuff like that . But yeah , I came away just deflated , really I was a bit like it was a good night . Me and my mate had fun , but you . They put you in specific scenarios in certain places in the building . So it's like they're in charge of it , aren't they ?

So it's like they put you in the scariest place in the building , in the pitch black , to get you scared , to make you think you're seeing things . And Rick could possibly rig the equipment so it goes off and makes you think you're seeing something .

But yeah , so there's a couple of things that happened , but nothing too much like that , but nothing too much that night .

So when you want to go into , go something like when I first started Investigating the paranormal we had a group and we'd go into places like they never charged us . It would basically hand us the key and say , you know , you got , you got the building to yourself tonight , do what you want to do , yeah .

And they would tell us like , oh , this happened here , this happened there , and we would investigate everywhere . You know we wouldn't just stick to like you're saying , oh , stick to this area , you got to stay here , yeah , why can't we go everywhere else ? Like , what if the activity is not here tonight ? What if it's in another part ?

And nowadays , yeah , they charge you the money and it's a lot of money , so we've stopped doing it because they want a lot of money from you . And , yeah , I just don't trust a lot of these places that you know and again , you can research them . And yeah , 10 years ago there was not a single ghost story about this place .

But then all of a sudden , yeah , yeah , there's the woman in white and there's the crying child and there's the angry old man and there's like where did all these ghosts come from ? That no one ever mentioned before , it's never in a book , it's never on , you know , on any website . But all of a sudden now they're haunted .

And because they were on ghost hunters or ghost adventures or whatever and they're trying to make a business of it and like good on them . That's fine and , like you said , you had fun . But you kind of come out of it feeling a little deflated because it's not what you were expecting and it's not . You're not getting that experience .

We sort of he's dipped his toe a little bit but not been on a hunt , a ghost hunt and we go into . It's a really cool location . It's like an old nuclear bunker . Oh OK . And it's like from the , from the surface , it's just a really small building .

I'll edit all this out . I'm sorry , so that's fine .

I think it was where whoever the Prime Minister was like during the Cold War would have gone to . If , like , the nuclear war obviously broke out , then that's where they'd have gone . I think I can't remember who it was now . Is it Thatcher in the 80s ? I can't remember .

But if not , then at least we've had a good night out or something you know .

Yeah , but if you get touched and you know there's nobody behind you , like maybe that's a little bit more , yeah , legitimate and interesting .

So we did lots of ghost hunts .

We did , you know , public places , but we also did a lot of private residences and we kind of moved away from that though , because as it got , as it gained in popularity , like I said , it's got harder and harder to do , because they would start charging money and we'd have to tell them like , look , this is costing us money to do this , as it is like we

have to buy batteries , we have to buy tape , we have to , you know , keep up our equipment gas money just to get there .

You know so , and we're taking you know it's a weekend away from our families , like you're doing an overnight , so , and then even like the private residences , they it became like a spectator sport , so we would tell people there's only four of us coming , there's four of us in the group , nobody else can be there , like one person from your family can be there

to , like you know , oversee us or supervise . But we'd go to places and then there's like 10 people hanging out in the basement and they're playing music and they're drinking beer , and there were a couple of investigations . I just I was like no , we're leaving , like we're not doing this because we just wasted a whole bunch of our time .

And you know , you want us to catch EVPs , you want us to hear something , but you don't . Like you're blasting Van Halen in the basement , like oh , we're hearing his David Lee Roth screaming , people laughing as they're drinking . And I said this is a waste of our time , we have to leave .

So so we really stopped doing it , except in extreme cases , and we don't publicize it really anymore . You know we've had people contact us and we will go out , but we don't talk about it , we don't mention it on social media , we don't . You know we'll go , we'll help them and we move on , but and then you know the pandemic hit and you won't go anywhere .

Yeah , yeah . So then I moved into . You know I was doing a blogging and then I ended up doing this because the blogging wasn't really working anymore . So , yeah , let me do a podcast . But yeah , so I've been on a lot of ghosts hunts and most of them yield nothing .

Like his big foot really like interests me , which obviously another reason why I probably listen to your podcast quite a bit , because but we don't have these huge . We have some certain national parks , but nothing on your scale .

You've got in in the US and it's just yeah , I'd love to just do like a trail for a summer or something and just maybe not a whole summer , that might actually kill me , but you know , like a camping trip out in like the deep woods or something and see if you can see anything or hear anything .

But I just love like the , the whole background of like big foot and Sasquatch and that's find it really interesting yeah , and it's , it's .

It's like most of the East Coast here . But we'll go up to the Adirondacks and you know we'll go two , three nights in the woods and really deep . And it's when you do that it just you laugh at the skeptics who are like oh no , like if it was out there we would have found it .

And it's like no , like if I die right here it'll take them weeks to find my body . Like if nobody knows where I am , they're not gonna find you and like I said , like my buddy will go off in the wood like I'm gonna find firewood or I gotta go take a pee . You know , like mm-hmm , he walks 10 feet away . I can't see him .

So you can totally , because people like well , why wouldn't you see big for you ? I can't see my best friend wearing , you know , brightly colored clothing and feet away from me , so something dark and hairy that is familiar with the woods and again , I'm not saying it proves that Bigfoot exists .

It's just when you get out there it's like you can really just get that sense of like , yeah , something , if something wanted to live out here , it could .

We don't , we haven't don't know what it is yet , but I don't think it's this sort of time-traveling monster that goes like between dimensions and takes people through demand . I think that's romanticizing it a little bit , in my opinion anyway , you know everyone's in touch or opinion , but I just think it's some sort of animal .

And simplest is just that , yeah , this is like an undiscovered primate that's been here a long time and just in very low numbers .

And you know , like we've been in the woods many times , I've never seen a deer , you know I've never seen a bear , you know we've heard them , but these are things that are known to nature , that are in huge populations out there , and we've seen deer tracks , we've seen bear tracks , but we never actually like turned a corner and though there's a deer standing

there , they just they hear you from , you know miles away and they they run off . They just know better . And if you have like an intelligent primate , like it's gonna do the same thing . It's gonna like avoid you if it wants to .

It's because it's like , like you said you've said on previous episodes like people tap in trees and oh , is it ? Is it a Bigfoot speaking to us ? No , it could just be someone else tapping a tree .

And I'm like yeah , so did like , so do like 18 other people in this group who went out there on Saturday and heard tree knocks , like you're all just talking to each other because you're all going to the same park and you're all just banging on trees and it just for me and again , I'm not saying Bigfoot doesn't do tree knock I don't know , you know , I

honestly don't know . But I think to use that as this , as proof , evidence , and say , oh yeah , this , this is that , it just no . Like I'm more interested in someone who's seen Bigfoot , who's you know heard something walking around the 10 , you know pushing on the 10 . I mean , those stories really interest me .

The tree knocks , it's a tiny little piece of bigger puzzle yeah , yeah , definitely so do you , do you think so ? Now I want to get back into the missing 411 stuff . Yeah , cool , because that's something we really share in common as an interest . But do you think Bigfoot's involved in this at all , or ?

And yeah , those certain things , like the , the rain came in , hinted , the search that the sniffer dogs like couldn't pick up any any trail , and like to be found 30 miles away from where you went missing six days ago as an eight-year-old girl is strange , but she had . I think they were searching an area and she just sort of walked out of this cave entrance .

Oh , there she is , but she was sort of quite nonchalant about it . I think she basically said , yeah , I've been living in this cave for the last six days and she was like really well maintained .

She was like not injured or emaciated or anything like that and it's I think she was the one that was like , oh , it's the friendly bears that have been looking after me and it's like how have you got there ? How have you traveled that far ? How are you not almost dead ? And yeah , like what are these friendly bears that have been looking after you .

It's like it's strange . But I think there's other things I don't know . Like one the other ones I've written down was it's like I think this is my other , my second appellation trail episode and you really have to put your tinfoil hat on for it but like , like the wild men idea that there's communities of wild people living out there and like there's .

Dennis Martin went missing , so he was about six as well , was supposed to be playing a prank with his brother and cousins jumping out on the parents and as they jumped out of the bush , the older brother looked back and like the little brother was gone right for right underneath his nose and then , like somebody apparently was like seven miles away and heard a

young child scream and as they turned and looked there was like rustling and like a man running in the bushes . So it's like I don't know big foot , is it like could be wild men , could be nothing . You know it's difficult to say , but , like you say , the woods are so dense and like these people are going missing , like it's like .

Is it a normal explanation ? Is it not ? Is it paranormal ? Is it ? Who knows really ?

It's kind of counterintuitive because people think , oh , you're getting cold , but when your body starts shutting down , you , you feel warm even though your body is cold , so or you feel constricted . So a lot of people will , during hypothermia , take their clothes off .

But you have these instances where the clothing is like , neatly folded and put on a rock , like , and again , these are people who've been lost in the woods for days , if not weeks , no food , no water . Why are they , you know , if they're taking their clothes off in a sort of state of not being all there ?

You know , because you're hypothermic , you're scared , you're tired . Why are they folding their clothes neatly ? The clothes usually are not dirty , they're not ripped , the shoes are right that you know it's like , it's like it's been placed .

So that sort of doesn't quite account for everything when they say , oh , it could be an animal , because it's like , well , the clothes were found neatly stacked yeah , or other times when they do find these children who were , yeah , like 10 miles away or 15 miles away .

Yeah , they're not on a trail and I mean , even on the trail you're gonna get hit in the face with branches , you're gonna get snagged on stuff . I mean it's , it's , you're gonna get dirty . I mean I go out in the woods and I'm dirty . Within five minutes there's already smudges and it's dirt . You know you're out your own nature , like stuff's gonna happen .

So it just makes you wonder , like what happens .

And and I know , like David Pilates , who does the missing 411 and kind of compiled all this and does the , the characteristics of it , yeah , a lot of people throw a lot of shade on him and say , oh , he's , he's cherry picking , he's , uh , and in a way he is because and he admits this and he says I'm not talking about people who are mentally ill , I'm not

talking about people who are clearly suicidal , who walk into the woods and want to die . He's like , I'm talking about the person who's just out in the woods , you know , for a walk with their partner one day , and disappears and they're , they're otherwise healthy , they're otherwise , uh , mentally stable , they're otherwise . They shouldn't have gone missing .

So why are they missing ? Yeah , he also says , too , like he's only looking at cases that have these characteristics and so yeah , if he's cherry picking , he's cherry picking , but it's still he can't overlook it .

He's cherry picking , but these are happening right , yeah , so if he's cherry picking , he found three cases then like okay , you're cherry picking , but he's got books and books and books of this stuff going back you know a couple hundred years where people go missing and it's the same .

You know , I think he's got like eight or nine characteristics , but most of these cases have at least five or six of these characteristics attached to them , like you said , like weird weather afterwards , or the , the , the dogs can't pick up a ascent , uh . Close to water , close to water , yep , or granite I think granite was another one like the rocks , um .

So yeah , just very strange . Have you seen the movies ? There's a couple of movies on . I've watched documentaries a while back .

Um , and yeah , I think , oh , is it misinformed one , the hunted , or I think .

If it was a big , big foot that's just grabbed someone who's running through the imagine it's running through the trees at pace and it just picks up a four-year-old's , it's going , you would hear it um , whereas a UFO , if it just took somebody , yeah like beam them up or whatever .

And , like you said in one of your previous shows , they're not saying that it's definite they're out there . They're saying like there is a part of the government which is in charge of this . It's not like , oh , here's the proof , aliens are definitely there .

It's still a gray area , um , but it's sort of picking up , picking up the momentum now with all that I think and yeah , it's just interesting .

We had blue book , we had project sign , project grudge , like all these other things that we're looking at the UFO phenomenon , and then I'll ultimately like , yeah , there's nothing to it , it's all fake .

So it just makes me wonder if that's what we're dealing with again , like just another government funded program that's gonna eventually just come back and be like yeah , it's all just drones and balloons , and yeah , I mean it's strange because there was , um , I think I was doing a UFO story for an episode .

It's just um , just a box . It just says where it was , who , who reported it , what time and what they saw . So they're not like saying this isn't , this is aliens , this is UFOs .

talking about is still not coming out and saying , yeah , yeah , these are definitely alien . They're just saying we don't know what they are . Could be foreign , could be natural , could be you know whatever and it .

It's just weird to me that no , no government on earth is is admitting I'm sorry my computer's going so weird right now , but you know , no government on earth is coming out and saying that these things exist yeah and our enemies . Like why wouldn't our enemies , if they had proof of this , come out and say , yeah , you know , here's proof .

So it's just weird to think that every government on earth , friend or enemy or whatever , they're all just kind of we don't know , not admitting it not admitting it so , and then the conspiracy theorists will say well , the aliens have threatened all of them and said if you say anything , you know which I mean .

But I think there was like I can't remember when it was , maybe it was during again the cold war where the threat of like nuclear war was really high . But apparently where the nukes are based a big , a lot of them in America the president at the time or somebody I can't , I don't know what . Again , it's very loose in my mind .

I've not got specifics but was very close to pressing the button and they apparently reported a lot of UFO activity in the area and I kind of like the idea that they're because it , because it all comes into interstellar , where , like he had to get to a certain point to come back in time to tell his past self to do this .

It's like I wonder if it's like I'm not saying it is , this is . You know , don't shout at me in the comments or whatever like what . If it's just us from like millions of years in the future who needs to get to a certain point to like get off the planet and travel like interstellarly , and if we hit the nukes , then that's not going to happen .

They're humanoid , they have two eyes , they have a nose in the mouth , they have fingers and toes and they're bipedal . And they say , like , of all the infinite possibilities out there in the universe , why would these things kind of look like us from the future ? Yeah , that people are singing , so maybe it is us from the future . So , who knows ?

um , yeah , just weird stuff to think about yeah , uh , did you have any other stories you wanted to talk about ? I know you mentioned some 401 one stuff . I don't know if you wanted or if you hit that already no , yeah , I've got those already .

But like you're the same , because I know you spoke about it before but like you always have to sort of look at the whole picture , not just from your perspective , it's like okay , these people are going to miss it , but that's why I suppose David Poliadus cherry picks them , because he's like this person's gone missing but he was suicidal , so can't count that one

. It's like like you've got to look from all angles and yeah , that's why I like the Mr Four ones , really , and the interesting options yeah , and I like that .

It was like all these , like there's many more people missing than we know about , it doesn't really get the media coverage , doesn't get the the police action that it really deserves . I mean , a lot of them do , but you know , you have this many people missing .

It's concerning and yeah , like , and that's what he's trying to point out is that these are not people who were clear victims of an animal attack . You know if , if that happens , he rules it out . You know if you can tell like the clothing is ripped and bloody . It's like , okay , you know mountain lion or a bear .

You know some sort of predator got this person and it's for him .

It's really the people who just seem to vanish off the face of the earth , either either permanently or just temporarily , like , like we said earlier , they show up in a place that was previously searched many times , like how did that person get there when you have hundreds of search and rescue people combing this area ?

Yeah , and then a week later the body just shows up there and it's like that's weird .

There was like this girl she'd call Eloise Lindsay and she was like an experienced hiker , she'd done a load of trails and she was I think she was doing the appall part of the appellation trail and she was like I read in her like testimony . I was like that is smart , I would not think that .

Like she was going between checkpoints and she was writing herself with someone else even though she was by herself . So I was like oh yeah , like if someone's after someone , they would just think , oh , who's easy picketting's the girl on the road . So she was really clever . But she , she went missing flight . It's about 10 , 12 days .

She like she thought she heard people behind men behind her on the trail talking about her , like they were going to attack her and she sort of ran into the woods and then she said she was basically stalked for the next 10 days by this group of wild men .

Like she wouldn't like like fire , she liked seeing the rescue helicopters and she wouldn't go to them because she thought by the time she got there that they'd get her . But she , she got out and basically they didn't want anything to do with it .

She was like no , I was followed for 10 days through the woods by this group of wild men and the authorities were like trying to shut her up . They were like no , you weren't like you , you heard something else , you were , you were paranoid , you were like hungry , you were exposed , you were like an exposure , you know , from the weather .

It's like you were imagining things and she , she sort of spoke up quite a bit about it . But it's strange , like why would they just shut her up unless they know something's there ?

But you hear a lot of these guys talking about um , like the drug farmers in the woods and you gotta be careful about that because these guys are very territorial and you have it a lot more on the west coast where it's like these big giant pot farms and , yeah , you know , they're armed with machine guns .

I mean , these , these guys are serious and they will . You know , if they feel like your trespassing , they'll shoot you and , yeah , they just don't believe in law and order , they don't believe in you know , guilty , innocent , it's just you're on their property . It doesn't matter if you're a lost hiker , it doesn't matter if you're .

Whatever you are , they will shoot and kill you , yeah , yeah . So there's a lot of these stories about guys like this and just other people who go way deep in the woods , miles , you know , 20 miles in haven't seen another soul .

They , you know , they cook dinner , they have their little campfire , they get in their tent and then at three in the morning there's somebody walking around their tent and it's not a big foot .

They can tell , you know , they can hear voices , they can hear , you know , yeah , or they'll peek out of the tent and they'll see a guy , you know , like just a weird guy in a baseball cap or whatever , walking and it's like , where do these people come from ?

You know , because you hike 20 miles in , you need gear , you need proper boots , you need the proper pack , you need food and water , and then they're just in the middle of nowhere and , yeah , three in the morning , there's some weird dudes just like in shorts and a t-shirt and a Baseball cap , like walking around their their site or walking through their site .

Yeah or just two guys walking through and talking , and it's like what are these people doing at three in the morning in the middle of nowhere ?

So , and I know you mentioned this a lot in your , your most recent episode about these wild men of the woods and who they might be , and again , it's something I've heard about for many years and you try not to think about it when you're out camping , yeah , but I've heard about it , like down in the pine barrens and and just up in the Adirondacks and just

you know , some of them are just hermits who just kind of eschew modern , yeah , they don't want to pay taxes , they don't want to deal with modern society . So they just they go in the woods and they , they hunt and they live in a little shack and that's what they want to do .

But then you do hear these stories about this , like you said , like this woman who and that story sounds vaguely familiar I have to look that up again , but that , yeah , that she was like being hunted by , yeah , of like , not regular guys , like , like like Woods , woods type people , you know yeah , I'm wrong turn like people .

Or there's wild men in the woods like who's gonna go to these national parks ? Like the national parks would lose , you know , if someone tells you big foot exists and it's this eight foot creature that can rip you in half , who's gonna camping , you know ? Or you might get accosted by a group of ten hillbillies , you know , like from deliverance or wrong turn .

Or you know , yeah , who's gonna go into the woods ? If the government acknowledges these things , I think you would have , you know , riot on your hands , or at least people just not doing these things anymore , and you would lose funding . And so it does make you wonder why they didn't take her story seriously .

Like I understand she was tired and hungry , and but you usually know if someone's tracking you yeah . So yeah , sorry I'm very strange one . Yeah , definitely . Do you have any other ones you want to talk about before we start wrapping ?

It's just , yeah , need to do more research .

Some of them they never find the body , and it's it just makes you wonder how did this person get so far away ? You know they're searching at 10 mile Radius and , yeah , you know this person's been missing for a day . How did they get so far ?

And and little kids you know you have these little kids and you know sandals and shorts , and they're finding them at the top of , like these rocky mountains where people with proper gear couldn't really get up easily . You know adults with proper gear couldn't get to where this child was found . So how did the kid get there ? And again , is it possible ?

Yes , is it probable ? Not really so . It just just makes you wonder how these things happen and why they happen and , yeah , really weird stuff . So , yeah , I don't know either , but I . What it is . It's a weird phenomenon .

You want to you want to . You want to stay to the end , even though you get the hits either way , but you want to listen because Andy's awesome and Good to finally have you on my friend , yeah , no , yeah .

Yeah , yeah , we've been talking about it for so long , and just timing and personal lives and yeah just trying to get the schedules to the to a line has been tough , but I'm glad we finally did it . No , me too and yeah , we'll definitely do it again .

Yeah , especially like with , like Bigfoot , because there are certain people who are just totally convinced these are interdimensional time traveling beams from UFOs who you know , and I'm like , well , I don't , you know , that's fine if you believe that I don't , yeah , but then they get mad at you and you know , and it's like I'm not mad at you for thinking

differently . You know , like , don't get mad at me , it goes both ways .

And and , yeah , like for me there's definitely that there's things about it that bother me because I think it's a primate , because , again , how many people do you see , like you know , they're reporting this thing is eating fish or it's carrying a deer , or it's drinking water , you know , and it's like , all right , this is an interdimensional being .

Why is it doing biological . Yeah things like that , like hunting and drinking and sleeping . But then there's other things where like yeah , you hear these stories of footprints that just go into a field and then disappear and it's like , how did that happen ?

Or a hunter who shot it like six times with a high-powered weapon and it doesn't go down , it just walks off like it didn't even get hit . So Makes you wonder .

But again , I don't like using the whole portal interdimensional thing to explain that , because now you're just opening another can of worms of like okay , well , now you got to assume that portals exist and yeah , I think it was as I think it was on one your previous episodes as well One of your other guests that were saying it's like you're answering a mystery

with another mystery .

look into , rather than just the one , so you let's try to figure out what bigfoot is first , and then , yeah , you know , if someone captures video of this thing disappearing into a portal , then we can say , okay , now we have two mysteries on our hands . I'm just much more curious about the other things that we've done .

No , but this thing just disappeared . Well , yeah , lots of things , yeah you run into a deer and it runs off . It's gone in two seconds . You'll never , you know . Hunters will talk about it all the time . Yeah that they're hunting deer or something , and then they make it . You know they step on a twig and the deer hears them and it's gone . Yeah .

So when you put it against , like the possibility of an animal like big foot being there , which Is secretive if it , you know , because we don't really see it . Also the population isn't that great like your chances of seeing it . They're getting smaller and smaller . But also you can barely see the animals that you know are there in big numbers .

Or a chipmunk , yeah , and that's usually a fleeting Glimpse . I mean birds . You see birds overhead , but never seen a deer out there , never seen a bear , and there's tons of bears . I mean we see , see prints , you see prints all the time and you walking or scat , you know there's bear scat , there's coyote , scat , there's coyote prints .

We've seen even a large cat print , ones we saw like a okay enough , as a mountain lion or a cougar or a bobcat , but Winter camping and right in the snow you could see it just a cat print , probably about the size of my hand . I mean just a big cat .

And we're like , oh good , you know , like the bears are hibernating , but you've got to worry about the cats that's now yeah , which are much worse . Bears are just like big dopey dogs up here , you know , like they wander in , yell at them and they run off . You know , but the cat's you have by us just black bear , okay and they're relatively small .

I mean they probably get to two , three hundred pounds . If they stand up on their hind legs . Maybe they get to about six feet , which isn't small , but it's small compared to , like the West Coast where you have like grizzlies and Kodiak bears and polar bears and Things that will go after you , like Black bear really they're .

They're more scavengers , they're not really aggressive . I mean you don't want to come across a mama bear . So when you're walking in the woods you're always trying to make noise and talk to each other and we hang things off our backpacks so that when we walk it kind of swings and makes noise and jingle . So , like you know , we're not sneaking up on anything .

Yeah , like anything we hear is coming from a mile away . But black bear are not really aggressive , but the cats you got to worry about the cats . Yeah .

Obviously , I had to watch it , rewatch it for this . I mean , it's one of those films that I go back to every single year . Watch it at least once . It still terrifies me . Yeah , but yeah , we'll jump into it .

So the basic premise of the film is is you know these , this family and their , their farmers , crop crop farmers , and one day they wake up and there's crop circles in their fields and yeah , I mean it's creepy in itself , but like there's no relenting to this music , even when there's not much happening .

There's like high pitch sort of wind instrument , like the horn instruments , of playing these high , long , eerie notes and yeah , just very prevalent without throughout the whole film . And yeah , there's , you know it's an M Night Shyamalan film , so you know there's twists and turns in it .

But yeah , I mean it just builds the suspense so well through the music and then you don't really see anything until two thirds of the way through . It's just all suggestions . So there's like at the start , one of the dogs . They got close to this big farm . They have two German shepherds spoiler Both German shepherds die in this film .

So if you don't like that then I would say not to watch it . But you don't see it . It's not gruesome anything , they just die off screen .

But yeah , like there's this idea right at the start that there's a predator , about the dogs peeing on themselves and the attack on the young girls who lives on the farm , and one officers mentions it's almost like they're defensive , like there's a predator around and it's like , oh , you know , a bit creepy . And then there's a bit where the daughter Bo .

She gets up during the night to say that she needs a glass of water . Can her dad go get it ? But she has this thing basically where she can never finish a cup of water .

So there's just loads of cups of water placed around the household all the time , which is obviously a big payoff later because I'm not going to tell you , obviously , but that pays off later .

And there's a scene where he puts her back to bed and looks outside and there's just an alien on the roof and it's just like , yeah , it's just , it's just good at building the suspense and like there's like a halfway through he did like the main guy , mel Gibson , is like an ex priest . He's like that's the other sort of theme running through it .

It's like he's lost his faith because of something that happened to his wife and , yeah , he's sort of trying to bury his faith but at the end it's his faith that sees him through . That's the sort of general theme of it .

But yeah , halfway from the film is this incredible scene where he goes out into the crop circle at night trying to prove to himself that nothing's there . It's just so creepy . I do not exaggerate when I say this film . I snuck in the cinema to see this film with my friends when I was 11 . It was a 12 days . You had to be 12 to go see it .

Obviously we weren't . And there's a reason . It was that , because it still terrifies me as a 32 year old and as an 11 year old . I am not exaggerating . I did not sleep for weeks , if not months . Yeah , just really messed with me . It's just done really , really well . And then of course , there's like this scene where they go to the town .

I mean , you can tell I'm really passionate about it because I'm talking about it for a long time Again , no aliens have been seen yet really at this point . And they go into town and a Joaquin Phoenix is the brother of Mel Gibson and he goes to look at enrolling in the army or something like that . I guess I leave for it .

And there's just this army commander and he's just like he says something like because people are starting to see things , so it's sort of building attention , like is there aliens there ? Is there not ? And he says something like no one's been hurt yet and that's the giveaway . And he's like what do you mean ?

And he's like you know , when we do this in the army , we send a few people in first , like check things out , scope , scope the area out , and then they sort of signal when it's safe . And he's like safe for what ? And he's like for the rest of them and I'm like oh , oh , chills , absolute chills . It's terrifying . I would say go watch this .

It's a five out of five , ten out of ten or whatever the rating . It's OK . Maybe I'm not going off , I'm just being a bit getting away with myself there .

Four out of five , eight out of ten , great film , yeah , god , Literally gaming nightmares for months and months , and even the other night after watching it I had to go to bed early because because my house in bed and I didn't want to be in the living room on my own .

So , even though I mean Lizzie's like an attack cat , she'd kill any fucking alien walking through that door , wouldn't you ? Lizzie Stupid grooming herself ? She's not her , she's not , she's not a breaking her groom for me .

But , yeah , go watch it , especially spooky season , you can go visit crop mazes and all that sort of shit when you go to , like , haunted houses and farms . So , yeah , great film , go watch it , especially if you're into your aliens and your UFO , extra terrestrial stuff .

Yeah , which leads me up to what film we'll be watching for the next spooky radio film club , which will be in four weeks time . So obviously in two weeks it will be another misinformable one case . So let's drum roll please . Ok and yeah . So basically it was either the nun too , or the new exorcist film .

And I'm going to go see the new exorcist film , I think . I just think it's got more going for it . I've not heard great things about the nun . So , yeah , it's a bit more difficult for you to play along and listen along , but you can still hear why I think of it .

So that will be I think it's called , like the exorcist creation or believers , or something I'm just typing away Exorcist 2023 . Exorcist believer . Ok , so that's what I'm going to go see . So you hear what I think of that in a once time , when we come back for the next spooky radio episode . And , yeah , thank you again for listening .

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