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Oh , it's a waste management guy and works real late so he had to get some rest . I woke him up like two or three times , but I'll let him introduce himself to you . He's also a fellow , I guess , podcaster , instagrammer , content creator . I guess that's what the cool kids say . Go ahead , sir .

Hey , what's going on , Puma ? Yeah , alejandro Correa , I'm with Squared Circle Report , so you'll find me on Instagram and on the YouTube .

That'll be Squared Circle Report official on YouTube and I just met him through Instagram and YouTube and all those other social media things , and this is what I'm going to start trying to do is just getting all the other fellow guys in the content creation world . Every time I say that , I sound like I'm talking about an OnlyFans . No , we do not have an .

Yeah , looking forward to it . We've got Matt Trum and the top-ranked fights . But uh , matt , true man , the uh top rank fights , but no , just a big fan of boxing and always watching them with my guys and stuff and just , uh , always chop it up and talk about it all the time .

Like it's crazy , I never . I just drink and talk boxing and like , look , I know this guy's talking about it yeah , that's what I told the .

Uh , the wife , I'm like , I'm like boxing fans are something different and we , uh , we just click man and we find each other and it's a great community . And the fighters are dope as hell , the trainers , everyone's like pretty much with um open arms , you know .

So I , I love that also you would think too , like fighters would be like the as far as like fame goes and and being a-holes that they wouldn't talk to you . They're fighters , you know ? Like why would they ?

I was in atlantic city and uhul Marquez was there . So I was talking to him for a little bit and someone jumped in . They're like hey , man , do you mind if I get a picture ? He's like yeah , for sure . And I asked him hey , does that get old ? He's like never , man . He's like you're respectful , you talk to us .

He said 90% . Of the time he's like he's like it's just , it's all how you come up to him and shit .

So it's great , it's great . And who is your favorite fighter for ? Uh , for my section of fans , all five of my fans fighting , fighting right now . Uh , yeah , active , active .

Uh , I was , uh , gervonta davis oh man , I wish my guy willie was here .

I'm a huge , uh , uh , gervonta davis fan , uh , crawford , I mean there's a lot right now . Obviously , uh , canelo , he's , he's , uh , he puts on exciting fights and um , anyway , of course , man , I , I hope he fights in the states , I , I'll be sure to make it if he comes over to the states . You got to see him .

where was ? I was at the hulu theater . I think he was going to see shu shu , but he was there with top rank I . I bumped into in a way like in the house , I just turned around and he was right there . I actually got on espn . He like looked at me and like smiled , like get this guy away from me it was great . It was great to see .

I was like oh shit but they were saying , you know , it was a rumor that people didn't recognize them . Was that true ? Or people recognized them ?

you were there in in the in the state . Like you know , boxing fans are all . They all know who everyone is , so like it's a very like niche market of fans . They all knew right . But I'm sure , like outside no , because he just looked like a regular guy but as he was getting ushered through the crowd , everyone's like anyway .

Everyone always hears me talking about it and he , um , he just signed with reynoso , so that that's good to see yeah , I , I'm , uh , I'm excited , man , that's gonna be a , that's a huge wrinkle and , uh , that's gonna make some noise for that division .

Now you know , so he's like one of the first out of this era of father-son combos that actually did that .

He didn't mess around , you know I'm super excited for that .

I'm super excited .

Yeah , teo senior has to respect that too , because he comes with the all the accolades and , uh , you know , awards and everything . So he knows what he's doing and what he does , obviously , and also it works . So teo Sr has to .

You know what I mean respect that and it's so good for Tio himself because , like with that respecting , you know a father and son , as you get older , your , your dad I don't want to say gets dumber , but gets like you're like shut up , dad , shut up dad .

Yeah , right , right , he could tell you the same thing , but you're gonna listen to the other guy .

Exactly , exactly and so this is perfect . It doesn't get much better . So I'm excited about that , but also we'll just get right into it . Speaking of Tiafimo , of course I always bring them up , but we have Liam Parrow versus Richardson Hitchens , a guy that's been very vocal about getting his chance and shot at Tio . Who do you got in this fight ?

Um , I like uh paro . He thought he's a smart boxer the way he fought uh matisse tis , you know , in his backyard and um , kind of took him to school . Man , I didn't see that coming .

No , that's a huge biggest .

I lost a lot of money on that yeah , you guys are pretty solid on the beds too , man . Thank you , thank you . We don't get enough credit for that man . We don't get enough credit for that man .

We don't get enough credit . We only post our wins , though .

Like Mayweather .

Yeah exactly .

Yeah , no , he just won the belt , hitchinson , I like him too . Two undefeated fighters it's going to be entertaining .

But I'll give Paro the slight advantage just because he had the bigger win over , uh , um , matthias , yes , in his hometown . So that one shocked me because I , I really I thought matthias was . I had him as the only guy that's going to give my guy to your problems just by his style and his power and everything .

You know , like a .

I guess a Shakur Stevenson that you ordered from Timu . You know what I mean . I don't mean that disrespectfully .

The over . Yeah , and he's going to come with more of the momentum too . So he's got the belt , he's defending the belt . You know what I mean .

Yeah , he's talking a big game , which most Brooklyn cats do . I just hope it's again . I'm a little confused here . The thing that's throwing me off is you saw the only opponent . Not the only opponent , but the opponent they have in common , what Keyshawn Davis did to him .

Right .

His last fight , and look what Richardson Hitchens did in that fight . So is he ready to take that leap yet ? I guess Parrow is the good guy for us to see that , because he doesn't really possess much power . Parrow Subriel's not known for his chin , and he was hitting Subriel with pitter-patter .

And then um , frank martin moving up to 140 also . So is it 140 . Is the uh gonna be the new uh 147 from like 10 years ago ? You know exactly exactly getting all the all the fighters up there .

The only problem with martin is like the pbc is just they stay in house . It's very , very rare they come out to play .

Right , right . I mean , if the belts are all out , they're going to have to , you know .

At some point , I guess . But that's my biggest thing , with Gervonta too . And finally , you know he's fighting again and there's so many better fights . If they just branched out a little bit that I think Gervonta could win . Like , look at Paro versus Gervonta , who do you got ?

there Right , right .

Even at 140 .

No , it's like Right , no , catch weight or nothing like that you know , oh shoot .

So we got another guy from the content creation world . He doesn't really need an introduction , he's actually kind of famous . What's up man , what's up man .

What's up , brother ?

Can you hear me ? You guys hear me , yeah , yeah , we hear you yeah we got you . Punchlines Boxing one of the funniest Instagram handles out there . I actually have a bunch of questions for you , but before we get there , we were just talking about he's watching football , clearly .

We were just talking about it's all good .

We were just talking about this week's fight with what's his face , paro and Hitchens , who you got , how and why .

Probably decision .

It's definitely decision . I think so too .

He's got power like that Great boxer . I mean too , he's got power like that Great boxer . I mean I forget the guy's name . He got pushed by that one guy . He had a hard time with him , but Paro , don't fight like that . No , no , he's good , but I actually don't think Hitchens is going to have a hard time .

I actually don't think Hitchens is going to have a lot Like . I think Hitchens is going to just I don't want to say put on a stink fest , but just put on a back foot jab , stay away and just kind of win that fight .

Kinda is just a less talented version of it is when Shakur fought Valdez .

So I just said before you popped into my guy Alejandro over here , he's also with squared circle report , right , how ? You doing man um nice to meet you he I just said that I was like he's kind of Stevens to me , is kind of like a Shakur from Timu , you know what I mean . Like he's there but but not there . And yeah , I don't .

And dude , I don't know , it's probably going to be crappy . Uh , paul , paul from Puerto Rico , but Hitchens is just yeah , matias Hitchens is just great boxer , but yeah , it's gonna be watching that style .

But I just don't like how , because , like , if Hitchens just boxed I'd enjoy it , but he talks like he's a killer , like I'll fuck you up I'll fuck you up and then I don't know yeah , yeah , that's kind of like I like I just said too , before you popped in , I was like he's kind of the money's backing him because at 140 he's going to talk himself into a

You can hear me .

Yeah , now I hear you clearly .

Yeah , no , I'm sorry , I think it's my AirPods , bro , they'd be fucking up .

Yeah , I think you were going to say that my name's Shane Shane . Yeah , applause , bro , they'd be fucking up . Yeah , my name is shane shane . Yeah , that's right . Um , so I , alejandro doesn't . He doesn't follow you yet , but he's gonna . And I warned him . I was like I don't know what we're gonna get .

Not all the time , but usually .

That's good . Depends on the topic , right ? Yeah , that's good .

It's funny , though , like I used to do a podcast , and you guys know who Sammy Vasquez is .

Sammy Vasquez no .

I'm not familiar with him ? No , me neither .

He fought Felix Diaz back in the day and actually his last fight was against luis calazo . Okay , on pbc and I I just I interviewed him one time and I don't know how he got on the topic , but it was like politics and he was talking about .

Yeah , I mean , like I said , anything goes on this podcast . We'll keep it PG for now . But I do have to ask you like , because you post some vicious , I guess , memes or gifs , whatever the hell the cool kids call them , and they're instant memes . Um , has any like fighters ever dm'd you like yo ? Come see me yo no , actually they're .

They're pretty cool about it . Um , because , like I don't , I even . Uh , when I went down to vegas in may , I stopped in the dlx to say what's up to shushu you know because I'm cool with shushu and everything yeah , he's a friend of the show here too .

He's great guy . I'm sure have you met him , alejandro I have not , no , because he's always around new york and stuff he's . He's also , like we said before , great with the fans , like you just walk up to him and it's , it's good to go .

But what would you say ? Yeah , he's super cool dude , it's awesome and uh . But he was telling me he's like bro , you're crazy , how like you don't hide your identity , like you know , you keep yourself out there and I'm like , well , cause it's you know , I'm not like that Ray Jackson guy on Twitter where I'm just shit .

Yeah , cause I want to like it's .

It's comedy . You know , like every fight weekend somebody is going to get made fun of . Yeah , so it was like uh , I think the I do that like I kind of have some sort of respect because , it's like you know , I'm not just hiding behind the screen .

I just , I just met Berlanga recently at the last fight . He's cool as hell , nice guy , but I've been a critic of his too . I was a little shook . I dapped him up and I'm like , oh man , luckily I'm not popular , so he didn't recognize me , but it's good to go .

It's crazy yeah , dude , it's

Yeah .

So it's like I kind of know which way I'm going to like , oh , if this guy loses , I can do this or I can do that . But it's getting in that mode of thinking of stuff as soon as something happens . I don't know , it's just certain things come to my mind and it's like I just run with it as quick as I can .

It's good . It's good , You're good at what you do . It's actually awesome . You got to check them out . You're going to . You're going to be like what the hell , How'd I ?

miss it ?

Check it out it and then , damn bullshit , worry about it later . Uh , do you get just one more question about that and then we'll get back into the fight . So just do you get shadow banned a lot and stuff , because I know I do , yeah , because some of my stuff , even because of the memes .

No , no , because the arguments that I get in with people like , like , not even on boxing pages , like I'll just be on , like , like I'll be on my punchline account , you know , like I'm a jaguars fan for football so I get a lot of shit for that .

There is trigger words out there , so we'll just get into the next card , I guess the Arizona card . Do you guys know is there anything else on the undercard of the DAZN card that's worthy , or is it just Parrow and Richardson-Hitchens ?

I just see Mark Castro on there , but I didn't see too much . I don't have it in front of me probably versus nobody again yeah , that guy loved it , I was slow , didn't he ?

yeah , he looked really good in his last like one or two fights I remember , but he took a l I think before that and he bounced back . But they were like kind of giving him like the top rank treatment and just riding him yeah , giving them .

Yeah , because they were putting them on all of those canelo cards . They were pushing him up , uh , pretty , pretty quick , and then he had that one bad fight and then they slowed things down again . So I don't know , we'll see that's kind of how .

That's kind of how like I feel could happen with hitchens and power . I just think he's gonna fight his fight because he is it is a champion . At the end of the day , he's fighting for a belt . We'll see what happens . I think paro out of the the grouping at 140 was the easiest choice .

shane , my bad , yeah , my god . No , I live in boise I don't .

Oh , idaho , damn , yeah , uh , damn . Who would have thought all those famous memes and stuff coming out of idaho ?

I ain't from here , bro . I'm just going to school here . Yeah , it's crazy .

I was like this place , there's not much over there . Um , so we got emmanuel navarrete versus oscar valdez too . I'm excited about this one . The last fight was super exciting . Valdez's eye closed rapidly , super quick , and I guess Navarrete hurt his hand , but he was still throwing .

I got a leaning towards Valdez . I can see why you're picking Avarete , but I'm thinking Valdez and also how top rank likes doing them trilogies , man . So , you know , I can see him winning and they run it back . He don't win that one . There ain't too much more for Valdez , I don't think you know , and he big fights at that .

I know the money is backing Valdez . They want to make like a freaking documentary on him . They love him and I don't mind him too . He's tough . But , I just think Navarrete , after coming off a loss when he moved up , is just all wrong for him . Those lunging punches , whatever the hell , I don't know . He has that stretch Armstrong uppercut from nowhere .

That's true . He got the length and the height advantage on him . I think he's plus 200 as Valdez that's a good bet , I guess . Yeah , that's what I'm thinking .

I'm sure Navarrete TKO KO is going to be plus money too . I'm definitely putting on that . What ?

do you got Shane ? Yeah , I mean , the last fight was entertaining , but Oscar didn't look good . All he kept doing was that he was just trying to land that money left hook . That's the only thing he was trying to do . He didn't seem like he had that great of a game plan . And then , who did he fight in his last fight , though ? Australian kid .

Yeah , he got the stoppage , but he also didn't look that great .

No , he was getting tagged , he was getting hit , and that dude , that dude ain't very good . He hits hard , but his technique is terrible . I just think yeah , not only do I think Navarrete could get the TKO , but I think it could be kind of like what we saw out of Sonny this past weekend . I think Oscar could get stopped on the stool between rounds .

And he could just be like fuck this , I'm done .

Yeah , like , what else is there for him to do , bro ? You know what I'm saying ? It's not like he's going to fight Tank . You know nothing .

Right , that's what I'm thinking . I mean , I can't see him making too much of a new wrinkle in his game at this point , you know . But , like you said , he got the love that it can land . And then , I know , top rank would love a trilogy in-house money and Mexican versus Mexican if Valdez does pull it off .

I think he's . So I did find , like when I was previewing because I'm gonna blow all my money on this fucking fight because I'm an idiot but I I did see like it when he went to the body on um navarrete , navarrete was hurt like he .

He throws that shit like fucking Marge Simpson dude . Yeah , it lands on like top competition . It's crazy . I'm like what the fuck is it from ? Like hella , far away too like the one thing they tell you , like don't throw an uppercut from too far away . He's like , bro , I'll throw it for you then fucking yeah he's .

He's in the corner throwing uppercuts like just fucking it's insane .

It's not like he's crazy fast with it either .

No , you're right , you're right that's probably what throws everybody off is how slow it's .

Yeah , you know yeah , it's so weird he like telegraphs it and then like throws it at that weird angle and it still just cracks , motherfuckers it is insane but he's always in exciting fights , even with with some losses yeah , yeah , it will be entertaining For sure .

It will be entertaining . And then the card . Before that is another rematch Espinoza versus Robesi Ramirez . Speaking of Shushu , I know Shushu and Robesi spar a lot , or at least they have sparred a lot they have . Yeah . So I honestly think Robesi's going to take this one .

So you know , adams , the boxing shoes , mm-hmm . So , espinoza , yo best best .

Real quick . I'm going to give them a plug . I know they're your boys or whatever , but the best boxing shoes I ever had , because I'm 230 pounds , I swear to God .

It's like walking on air and they're great yeah they're so good that Espinoza started his own company and copied the mold . Really , yeah , watch , look it , I'll show you , I'll send you pictures after this .

He has his own shoe company .

It's the same ones that Williams and Pater wears . It's the same exact shoes as ours , except they put two extra straps on it . That's it . But if you look at it , it is because he he was going to be sponsored by us and he went to the factory toward it .

Look at the shoes and everything and then all of a sudden , he had his own shoe company and oh shit , yeah , we're putting the house on robessi . We are putting the house on robessi . We heard it here first adam . They got great socks too . I bought two pairs of shoes . They always send me a little pair of socks , Great socks . Shout out to this sock .

Have you tried the sauna suit yet , or the joggers or anything ?

No , I'm not , I'm just fat I box . I just keep wearing it . Stay where I'm at . I'm just fat I box . I just keep it where it is , stay where I'm at . But , fight-wise , aside from his shoe choice , what do you think , alejandro ?

Who are you backing Robusty ?

same reason Going for the not the shoe but going for the knockout . I think so too . I think he's going to come in timid , which is because he did get knocked down and you know he didn't like that . He , he showed , he showed , he came back and got a knockout . His last fight , um , and Espinosa is not that like good .

I know they're friendly , but they're cool , but they would fight yeah .

Oh , yeah , I think , I think Robesi would be a better matchup for Shushu than his last fight . Not his last fight , not the Mike Tyson crap , but at MSG that guy was tough . Oh , the African dude yeah , yeah , he was tough . Yeah , that guy's good though . Yeah , he's like a high-risk , low-reward fighter . Yeah everybody was Shushu's smart too .

I'm here for it back in Robesi even though he has frosted tipped hair .

But who cares ? It's kids these days . It's what they do .

I'm here for it . They got Angelo Leal too . That's also another fight that can happen between any of them . But you know who Espinoza reminds me of ? Just because of Not tit for tat . But he's a lot like Jarrett Hurd .

Yeah , even in that fight versus Robessi , though , he was like switching like crazy , but bad Like it wasn't . He was literally like doing the Ali shuffle when he switched . No , he was literally like like doing the ali shuffle when he switched .

and now he was getting , like not on purpose , it's probably . Yeah , it's probably . He wasn't switching like boots or like no , no , but he was getting caught .

He was getting caught , espinoza wasn't like . It's definitely that extra strap . That's why it's that extra strap yeah , I don't know , we'll see .

We'll see .

It's a tough fight either way , because I think robisi might try to outbox him , to be honest , because he went for the knockout last time , that's what ended up costing him because that's what got him tired , and but I feel like when he got the knockdown last time was was when he wasn't trying to knock him out , you know what I mean , like he was just boxing

It's probably like 11 .

Yeah , it's probably 11 . I'm definitely gonna do that . Yeah , I'm definitely gonna hit it anyway , because I think that's going decision , no matter what . And then I'm gonna do robese ramirez , uh , ko , tko . That'll be my little parlay that I put my whole paycheck on because I'm an idiot you're not doing nothing on the main um of the top ring card the main .

That got canceled . I don't think it was ever done .

I don't know who's ducking . Who do you think give ?

me your opinions . Well , you can't say virgil's ducking him if he's fighting yeah , he posted that too .

You saw that he goes like xander kind of called him out and was like , oh , I guess you got a case of the the ducks like boots or whatever . And then he wrote back or whatever . It was like yo , uh , I I'm fighting Madrimov , I'm not ducking he's like .

I'll come back to you . I'll get back to you . Let me take care of this . That's a tough fight , though that's going to be a good fight man .

Yeah , I'm a little worried about for Ortiz . I mean , madrimov does get hit , but I love Ortiz Jr . He's one of my favorites to watch , always in exciting fights too . But he is a little . They kind of figured him out . You know what I mean . Like you know what you're getting .

Every time it hits , Well , just every time it hits Just real quick , like about Virgil , Like he's fighting Madermob . He just fought Bochachuk and the fight didn't happen , but he was signed to fight Tim Zhu last year as well .

Homie ducks , nobody Yo . He's fighting . What's his name ? Bojacek or whatever ? Yeah , that's what I said .

Oh , my bad , my bad I think he's making what's his name .

Bujacek or whatever yeah that's what I said .

Oh , my bad , my bad . I think he's making up for that lost time when he was injured . You know what I mean . And his career kind of stalled a little bit with everything he had going on , and now he's like fuck this , I need the big fights , you know .

It is crazy that resume , even if he loses all those fights , nobody wants to fight that guy he loses those next two , right , it's still an insane resume Like you can't . Yeah , and he's a young , undefeated guy .

You almost never see that .

Yeah , and when he wanted to fight Tim Zhu , that was when Tim Zhu was undefeated too . You know , yep .

Before he took the lawsuit . It was after the suit had lost to Fundora , but a lot of people thought it was gone .

It was lost to Fundora yeah , yeah , but that was the eye incident , or ?

whatever the cut , the cut and I still think Zhu won that fight .

I think so too .

I kind of favored Fundora . Fundora , though , if he just didn't bang on the inside like he'd win every fight at that weight , every single fight . But for whatever reason , he's like nah , we're gonna go fight on the inside .

I don't know man , that card though , that whole card . Have you guys even talked about it ?

no , not yet . No , not yet . We can get into that that we got scofield and uh shakur like that .

Every fight on that card is insane .

I just went to over my phone and I saw your message . He says bro , I'm actually kind of clean because I was like . He was like oh , I'll be on , I just got to wash my dishes . I was like oh , all right .

Yeah , dude , I live with a lesbian couple , bro , Like I got to stay clean .

Really that's a perk , they're both named Chloe too .

Fucking , wrap your mind around that one .

They're cool .

Because you're very outspoken with whatever you're feeling that day . Oh yeah , I am with them too . Like I'll be like that's gay , or like my favorite thing to do is to be like super misogynistic , like not like genuinely , but like just like they know I'm joking because I'll just be like .

That's funny , that's a funny yo . That's like a reality show right there .

Just cause I know you're going to start blogging that or something .

That would go uber viral . But yeah , back to that card . What's your favorite matchup on that card ? I'll let Alejandro go first .

The Schofield and Stevenson man . I like how fast they got it made . The dad wanted it , asked for it and they signed , man .

Has anyone known if they sparred before or anything ?

No .

Because I feel like I know Schofield's originally from New Jersey , like there's no , they've never sparred or anything , nothing like that . Because I feel like they jumped at Shakur quick , like there's a lot of other easier fights and money to be made , but they're going for it .

Yeah , yeah , I'm not too sure about it , I don't know , because the dad was uh talking a lot , but I I don't remember . I know for sure . I think he said gervante , they , they sparred .

I'm not sure about um , shakur , shakur and kind of yeah I feel like that would have come out , because he's had that dude's called out everybody scofield head true , true and they like they go . He goes back and forth with people a lot . I feel like it would have come out by now , but I don't think so .

Yo Zolai Zhang versus Ajit Kabayel . That's a sneaky good fight as well , because Ajit could box Dude . I like that .

Remember when you told me I think it was you that was talking to me about that when he was fighting Frank Sanchez , I was like I don't know man .

Kabayel is fucking good . Yeah , I think I bet frank sanchez that fight . That was wrong again . But before he was giving me , he was uh , alejandro was like yo , you , yo , you guys are pretty good with your bets .

And I was like , yeah , I only post the wins , yeah I I pick a lot of fights wrong , a lot of fights wrong yeah , I bet with my heart a lot too I was gonna say the same thing .

That's my problem I'm not gonna lie like though my my losses , and only in boxing , like regular sports , I'm a big degenerate loser . But in boxing my losses are always like two seconds or one round off , and like I'm like , are you fucking kidding me ? It's like a plus 800 bet and I'll get one round off , and I'm like losing my mind .

He just doesn't let his hands go enough . That's what cost him the Parker fight .

Yeah , I kind of . So I'm a little biased . Zhang trains in New York , I see him a lot , but I I , zang trains in New York , I see him a lot , uh , but I I kind of think he won that . Parker fight Honestly , he with the two knockdowns like it's hard to come back from two knockdowns . He didn't lose . He didn't lose every round that badly from .

Parker .

Right . So that that was kind of like a little uh , was that fight on DAZN ? I think it was . It was a little DAZN .

Yeah , a little DAZN .

Yeah , it was a co-main to one of the Fury , and what's his name ?

Oh , was it on that .

And one of the Enganu . Was it on the Enganu fight ?

Oh , it might have been .

Yeah , I think it was the Enganu fight , and that's kind of funny because Zhang's not signed by DAZN . One of them is , and that's why gambling on boxing is hard , because stuff like that happens and I think about all of it . That whole card . If it happens something tells me there's going to be something going on Also too .

Ever , Ever , he's like I'm AJ , You're supposed to lose .

It's crazy , though , because in his last two fights against I mean , Ngannou and then Waleen Otto Waleen , yeah , he was doing like pull counters with the right and everything Like he's actually like moving his head a little bit .

And then it's like he just moves away from it . I don't he's , he's the type two though , joshua . Like when he does get hit and stunned , his whole fucking everything just goes out the window . It's like everything he learned just just goes out . The same thing with the ruiz fight . When ruiz stunned him , everything he was doing went out the windows .

No , no , I'm , uh , I'm pulling up the fight card .

Oh , okay , okay who's the other ?

uh man , there's someone else . So we got the ortiz fight the uh shakur and shakur fight the main event .

Obviously , uh , yeah , uh , better be than um bivel my only thing is like with , with the uh , with the saudis , is I hope they , um , I hope they like obviously they just announced this now , but I hope they hit the mainstream American media a little more , cause like nobody knows that these fights are happening outside of boxing fans . You know what I mean .

No , he's doing the right thing .

Yeah , I think we lost Shane .

No , he's here Is he ? Oh , I don't see him . Yeah , I can see him .

Oh , I can't , that's weird .

Yeah , no , I agree with you , Shane . They should have more in the US .

I think that was me talking . I don't know what's going on . Oh , I can't see Shane . I can't see Shane . I don't know why , but this is Puma speaking . Can you hear him ? Is he talking ?

Yeah , he's talking . Talking shit too Really .

I can't hear him . What the fuck ? I don't know what happened .

He's talking though .

Is he really ? What the fuck is going on ? I can't hear anything . Hold on , I'm going to end it and restart it .

All right , he's going to leave and join back , okay .

Okay , that might work All right . What the fuck happened ?

I don't think he left though . Yeah , but no , how'd you see the Butterbee-Bivel fight the first one ?

So the first time I watched it I had bivouac like 100 and again , I always like really really good fights .

I loved it but I thought it could be .

I'm biased because I love Bivol , but I thought Bivol won so yeah , like I was saying , I watched it twice , first time drunk I thought Bivol killed him , and then I rewatched it and I still think Bivol may have edged it out .

It wasn't , yeah , the one that was in favor of him blew my mind that's .

That's what throws off the whole card . If everyone was close , no one would say anything bad about it , but when you got a scorecard like that , that's what messes everything up what do you think it's ? Everyone talking talking shit .

What do you think is going to happen in this one ? Now Round two .

I can't see Bivel doing anything different , and so you know what I mean One of them doing anything different ? Yeah , it might be a repeat of the same thing .

I don't think Beterbiev I don't know how to say his name , I always fuck it up but I don't think he's really got much different either . I just think he is going to let his hands go a little more from the get-go and not be so timid . Whatever , it's a great again we're having these conversations , this whole card you could go either way , I guess .

I'm glad that they're running it back right away too . They're not waiting , or you know what I mean . Someone get injured or older or nothing .

Real quick too , which is awesome .

That's what you like to see yeah , and I'm glad because you know , a lot of times when you get fights like that , the winner will be like well , I want to take care of this first , I want to take care of that first and then make like , then we can run it back . Even even biturbiev is like let's run it back right away . So I like that .

So as a like I was saying before when you left , though , my only issue with , like the saudi shit is and I've been speaking on it a lot lately because it's annoying is , like the crowd noise sucks , there's no hooligans in the crowd , everyone's behaved . And like they don't , they don't advertise enough for , like , the mainstream media of america .

Yeah , you're right on that one .

And he has the money to do . It is what I'm saying . He's got an expendable income . He can do it Like the Tyson-Usyk promo . Did you see that ?

Yeah , that was I felt like I had fucking schizophrenia . Yeah , like that's good though , that's what we want , that's what we want .

I , that's what we want . I thought you made that . I was like oh , they hired him . Oh , fuck Yo . What was that one promo you did .

Oh , I did the Boots versus Connor Bin one . Yeah , people thought it was real .

Yo send that to Squared Circle I will .

His handle .

Yo , that shit was amazing . I was like , if I'm a promoter I'm going to hire you , because that was really good .

Have I showed you the Mario Barrios or the Tony Harrison videos ? I did . No , I don't think so . I used to do a podcast also . I would interview these fighters on there and I would take clips of audio from it and basically make a movie trailer like that , that's how I got started , the first one I ever did was Mario Barrios .

You're creative as hell .

You know what else they need to get rid of on these Saudi cards , dude , is the fucking concerts .

Yes .

Especially right before the main event . It takes the wind out of the sail man , the whole thing is we've been watching .

It's not like . It's not like a top rank or a pbc card where , like , if you choose to watch the prelims , you can , but if you're like us and you have this fight card that has eight , nine amazing fights , we're gonna watch all of them . Of course , we've been watching for like six hours .

fuck the one that the Terrence Crawford one , where they threw Eminem in there , dude . I literally again I keep saying I sound like such a raging alcoholic I'm not that bad guys , but I'm drinking the whole fight and then they put Eminem in . Now I'm blacked out . I don't remember the main event at all . I got to rewatch it the next day .

I was at the fight and it just killed the momentum . It was cool because it's Eminem , but it wasn't like . You know . You got your place . If you want to see Eminem go to one of his concerts , fuck all that man . Have a ring walk , call it a day . That's cool man .

Bro , that last , the last card though I know it was off , I knew nobody was going to watch it , really like in the regular boxing world , but it was a great card the latino knight .

And you see all these dudes like in their attire , whatever their cultural attire , and they're like yeah , dude like they're just it's very odd it's just uh , if you're gonna do it , do it on a car that only has like three or four fights on the main card . Don't do it on these large events . Like the event's already large , we don't need it .

like you guys said , it kills the momentum because it's right before the main event usually Was it the last one , didn't they have Missy Elliott or something on it ?

Oh , I think that was the . Was that Fury Usyk who wants ?

to see that . Like no one does it like 2002 , you know , Like it's a wrap , man .

I remember they had Busta Rhymes too , like they had his chair and like they showed it in the beginning , it said Buster . It was like B-U-S-T-E-R are . It's like it's just they're like and they're putting great fights together . So I'm not gonna sit here and hate on him for doing like he's he's literally putting great but I just mean to like move the needle .

But yeah , oh , are you going to his fight in ? Uh ?

So I texted my ticket guy , KO Tickets , Jim Boone . He's great for tickets . Shoot him a text , Find him on Instagram and stuff . He's going to see what they give him . He's a ticket broker . I'm going to see if he can get him . I don't like going to fights , though , unless I'm sitting ringside and I know Barclays is going to kill me .

Yeah .

It to kill me .

So yeah , it's , it's almost better on tv , unless you're ringside , it's like alex , are you from out ?

I try to meet up with some guys and whatever I try to go to every fight in New York , me and my co-host we're going to do like the East Coast , but we have like jobs and money , isn't ?

really expendable . It is an expensive sport to follow man .

Especially if you drink drink like you don't know what I spend at msg .

they need to send me a sticker or something because fucking like it is insane um , but yeah , I'm from vegas , so I grew up kind of like being around the fight game . But even even like when I lived in san diego , I would go up to I don't know what they call it now , but I would go to the StubHub Center , the outdoor fights and stuff .

Also , too , I've been to a few fights at Barclays , but I don't know what they do with the tickets , but it kind of looks like they just , if they don't sell out , they'll go to like the hood gyms and they just give out tickets . It gets really .

I'll let you know , yeah let me know .

I just know Barclays is so overpriced too . It's almost worse than MSG , so it's insane how overpriced it is .

It could be a good card too , because PBC they're not doing as many cards as they used to , so like when they're only doing a card every few months , it gives them the opportunity to put more names on that card . Yeah , so you might get like a rolly or somebody something on that card , like it should be a decent card , yeah I feel like I think so .

I just I don't know pbc with their undercards they usually like to to sell their guy . So you know what I mean . There might be some lopsided matches there .

Yeah , like the Canelo Berlanga card , every fight was a mismatch on paper . But at least you got to watch Roley fight . Then you got to watch . Plant fight then you got to watch .

That Plant fight almost stole the show .

Kind of plant fight almost stole that stole the show kind of man yeah , that was the best part of the night I actually was supposed to I was supposed to have uh trevor on the show .

Something happened , or whatever . It was around the election too . It would have been perfect , because he's a big he's a big open trump guy .

He's a big open trump guy . Yeah , he was . Yeah , he was entertaining man .

Both of them , both of I thought that stoppage was a little that Caleb fight . I thought the stoppage was . I mean you could have saw it was coming . I mean Trevor was fading , but it was a little premature .

I don't think that he didn't contest it , though . You know what I mean . I think , he would have got him out there eventually , yeah .

Caleb , probably a lot sooner .

Yeah , but he surprised a lot of people , trevor , so he's a strong dude like when he fucking put the pistol back in you know that , yeah , that's pretty dope man caleb's another one , though he's like kind of like a backfoot fighter , but he's exciting too . He's always an exciting fight that was cool man , because he switched it up on that fight .

I had to bring it to this guy , it was good when , like when I brought it up earlier , when I when I went to go see shushu in vegas , when , while I was in that gym , he was uh , caleb was in there sparring , uh , kenny sims , a chicago guy yeah , yeah man , he's caleb's a lot bigger than kenny is . I mean , obviously kenny fights at 140 .

That's sick . I actually met the owner of that gym . Uh , oh , dude , she's so hot , yeah , she's uh she is a very pretty lady . I I met her , though . She's she's cool as shit too . Um , she's a .

it looks massive . Yeah , I don't know . Yeah , it's tiny too . It's really small On the video they posted it looks massive . Yeah , it looks like it'd be huge , but it's fucking small as shit . It's like you walk in and maybe 10 feet from the front door is the ring . Yeah , it's small . It's smaller than a nail salon .

I need their video guy Cause shit looks massive when I see it .

It's not big at all . Oh , there's a guy fighting this weekend , young kid on the prelims of the top rank card . I met him at that gym . His name's DJ Zamora oh yeah , yeah .

He's um , he's got the little like mullet thing going on back there right yeah the shag , yeah my bad no disrespect , shag , not the mullet's like a little disrespectful , my bad yeah well , he ain't from texas .

Shag is like a texas thing , but it's like , that's what it looks like . He's like he's a filipino kid , but he's been . He's been sparring partners with tank , with shaker shushu , kenny motherfuckers , been at ryan . He's been there with everybody bro , um , he's good , really , really good .

He got signed with the Thanks for Playing shirts , dudes too . Those are your people's too , yeah .

Yeah , I'm actually because I started following them because I saw their ads on my timeline . I'm like damn , these shirts are dope .

Yeah .

And I saw that they were sponsoring fighters and I hooked them up with Shoo Shoo and got Shoo Shoo sponsored by them , sponsored by them dude , those shushu shirts , go check them out , uh on .

Thanks for playing the shushu shirt there . I like all their shirts , honestly , but the shushu shirts in particular . They always hit with those . They like they don't miss with the shushu shirt , yeah well , once they saw how good he was , that's when .

That's when they offered me the spot to get them more fighters , so that's awesome not all of the fighters that they have signed , but damn near all of them are the one like I got them , like mario barrios and , uh , even abel on this last fight against mario barrios , ironically nice .

Um , they actually they hooked me up with a few interviews too , which was cool , and they sent me like a bunch of shirt , like that's when I'm not , like I'm not a big podcaster , I just fucking drink and do this . I like it , it's fun , this is fun for me . And they sent me a bunch of shirts . Bro , I felt like I .

right now yeah , active oh man , that's tough because I don't know , I like so many um , you know who's coming up for me ?

like , obviously I said earlier , and if you know anything about me , I'm a to sexual , but my , my coming up for me really is bam man . Jesse rodriguez is like hard dog too , bro .

Yeah like he is climbing quick too , very quick he say , the legend slayer he calls himself .

That's pretty bad ass he's in every like , nobody his footwork , his , his dog . He got knocked down , got up and did his thing . I hope it happens sooner than later . I know the wait is a little bit mismatched , but Inoue versus him .

Or even the other Japanese dude .

Oh Nakatani , I think it is right , yeah , yeah , that's true too . The bad motherfucker . Yep , my only thing with them is like not so much Nakatani but a lot of the Japanese dudes that are nasty . They're only in that circuit . You know what I mean . Like they got to come .

Yeah , dude , british fighters look good until they have to fight a Mexican , usually as a gambling man .

I'd never lose when I bet on a Mexican . Actually , what was the news that just came out with Conor Benn ? Who is he fighting ?

Oh .

Barrios yeah , yeah , he wants to fight .

Barrios , but I don't know who are you guys backing there ? That's tough .

Ben hasn't looked like Ben , like the destroyer .

I'm telling you dude , there's a little . I noticed this about , like when and I'm not saying he was , I don't know anything was on everybody's on something , right , but if you notice , whenever someone gets caught , their knockout percentage drops , like they'll still get one here or there , but it drops .

Like at least at least canelo still hurts people and gets knockdowns and shit . Yeah , yeah , yeah , you're right , he's that good , but it's just funny to see even like like I'm a big jarrell miller guy , he's that good .

But it's just funny to see , even like I'm a big Jarrell Miller guy , he's a friend of mine , he's here and again . I'm not accusing him or whatever , but since that incident his punch output has dropped . It's just funny how there's a little bit of a coincidence if you look in the history of boxing .

I still like , if I ever found out he took it , I'd be like yeah , I'm not shocked , and that's kel brook .

Like oh yeah , yeah , kel brook's another one . Dude , kel brook's another one his special k you know yeah , his whole gym , that ingles gym .

They're all fucking , they're all dirty .

Yeah , that's yeah right . Enough about the roids . I don't know

Also , boxing has just been kind of slow lately , bro . I don't know if it's because of how big last year was , or what but I feel like the last two months in boxing has just been like .

I mean , last week was definitely slower , but put aside the Tyson-Jake Paul crap . The Katie Taylor-Serrano fight was .

Yeah , that was huge .

Well , both of the fights between the real fighters on that card were fucking great . Yeah , yeah , the fight .

before that too , two overrated dudes in my opinion , I wouldn't say they were overrated . I mean , no , Barrios does have a belt . I'll give him that . Just I think . I don't know , I think he's slightly overrated .

He doesn't really . I mean it depends how like I feel like most people rate him as a pretty good fighter , but not great . He's not going to take over the division . He's not the best champion . I don't think anybody rates him at that , but he's entertaining . And then Abel was put in front of him to be a showcase fight .

He was a plus 700 . I was shocked by that . They had Abel that low . You know so much money .

That's where I was going with , like the Barrios and I'm not trying to be like hate on the guy , but like him Abel coming in at plus 700 shows that Barrios was slightly a little overrated , at least for betting odds-wise . You know what I mean . Yeah .

Yeah , a little overrated , at least for betting odds-wise . You know what I mean . Yeah , yeah , but everyone who knew they knew Abel was going to bring it , though they knew it wasn't . It didn't look like in the first two rounds , don't get me wrong . But then the dog came out and pushed it .

A lot of that was ring rust too . He hadn't fought since the Crowley fight which was on the Benavidez plant card since the Crowley fight which was on the Benavidez plant card . Shit , he could have rinked for a long time .

Yeah , you're right . That fight was decent too . Like like matchups matter , Like that was a great matched up fight Put all the other crap aside . Like that was a two Mexicans again Fucking going at it .

You know his nephew is another guy I'm a big fan of too .

Ramos .

Yeah , yeah .

I think His nephew Jesus fucking . Oh yeah , he's the one that beat Spencer , right ? Yeah , yeah , he lost to Lubin .

but a lot of people thought he won that fight .

Yeah , A lot of people thought he won that fight . Yeah , he like took his foot off the gas on that one man .

I mean his foot off the gas on that one man .

I mean he wasn't like what was it ? It wasn't a good fight at all , oh , but he , yeah , I seen spencer , I was at that fight and I seen him afterwards and uh , the next day in the uh casino and I'm he was walking around with no glasses on or anything . Man he got , he got beat bad man .

I was like wow no he had ball because he called for that fight . But man he sure regretted it after that .

Yeah , he just looked like different weight classes , man , the way you know what I mean he just looked . Uh , ramos looked way bigger than him in that fight and he finds so weird .

He like bends over at the waist like hella , far down , and his hands are down and he's like I don't know they were , they'd like hyped him up before that fight too a little too much in my eyes .

Joey d spencer he was like he kind of . He was kind of famous on instagram a little bit too . That's how I first heard about him . Like oh , who the hell is this ? He was like I think he was promoting his like stories or something like way back when and I was like damn , who the hell is this ?

guy Excuse me .

And the next thing I know he's in these fights , but when you fight a guy with a last name like Ramos that brings me to my next point is like what about the Vargas brothers , the new Vargas brothers ? What's your take on them ?

Emiliano is the only good one .

That's what I'm hearing everywhere . I mean , obviously he'll fight , he's good . Yeah , he's the real deal . That's what everyone's saying , too , around all the gyms .

Those three or four ? How many of them are there ?

Three yeah three , they're kind of taking over the boxing social media . Yeah , but like I don't know , dude , the other two not so much . I don't know why they're popular , especially the little curly-headed fuck , the one that I can never remember his name . It's not Armando but it's something like that .

Emilio . Yeah , I'm not sure , we don't even know . Yeah , you're right , I just know them all as the You're right , though Emiliano is definitely saying that right .

There you go .

They're definitely jealous of their brother . I know that . Yeah , no , for real they are like bad jealous , Like they get salty about it . Really yeah , from what I've heard , Like I have no first-hand account , oh , you just threw the grapevine . Yeah , threw the grapevine from a few people . They're like , yeah , like like they get so mad .

I could kind of see it , that's like .

But , man , the fight , the fight that I want to happen so bad , and I think we might get it sooner rather than later , is Emiliano versus Abdullah .

Oh yeah , Mason , oh shit , Especially with Mason getting a little sparked recently . I think that's going to open the window , Because nobody wanted to touch him before that . But that will open the window to to these fighters coming up now yeah , I was shocked he got dropped twice . It was twice right uh , yeah , I think it was twice .

No , I don't even think he's 21 . I think he's 20 years old .

Let me look this up quick .

I forget him and him are both the same age .

Yo , yeah , you're right , he's 20 yeah , and at these , at these days now they're throwing the money out , they'll , they'll make the fight . You know what ?

I can see the Saudis putting that one together too .

Yeah , and I think we're kind of past the whole you got to be undefeated phase . You've got to be undefeated phase because it's like the first , like six or seven years after Floyd man , it's like nobody wanted to fucking lose . Everybody was so scared of losing .

Yes , yeah , that's his . Yeah , he wasn't ready . Well , it got erased , so he don't got the loss anymore . Yeah , he celebrated't ready . Well , it got erased , so he don't got the loss anymore . Yeah , he celebrated . That was worse . Hey , that man needs a PR team , man , or something , dude , because even the I don't know man .

If Ryan Garcia gets through , whatever he's doing in Japan or whatever , and gets his suspension lifted or whatever , if that fight is monumental , haney Garcia too . Oh , it's huge . That fight is massive , like that's going to break records with all the drama that happened ever . I hope that happens . I heard rumors of that .

Yeah , like I've seen so many goddamn fights between Tio and Haney , like none of them ever happened . Same thing with Shakur . Shakur , shakur's finally got one . Yeah , he's finally got one , he's finally got one . But you know how many goddamn fights ? Oh , shakur's fighting this guy , shakur's fighting that guy ?

No , never happened . And that's my thing . With this crazy good card in Saudi , it's almost too good to be true , the entire card . Something's going to happen . I don't think we're going to get every fight and it might be the Shakur one .

That's a good enough fight , though . A good enough card where , because we lost the Virgil Ortiz-Sue card or Sue fight on that Bud card , they replaced it with who was it ? Jared Anderson , right and Bacoli .

Yep , that was good .

Yeah , so I think even if we lose a fight or two , there's more than enough that they can find to throw on there . Oh , that's the fight I wanted to talk about on there . I wouldn't say I'm friends with him , but I know him and I'm a big fan of him .

Oh , yeah , yeah , hazmaz oh , that's on that card too , yeah , yeah yeah , that's a great fight bro .

Yeah , I'm backas . Is it Adamas or Adames ? I always say Adames .

Adamas , carlos , adamas , yeah .

So I think I'm backing him on that , honestly .

He didn't look good . In his last fight , though , I was upset against Terrell Gachet . Yeah , you're right .

I just feel like again Shiraz . He's from the British circuit . Correct me if I'm wrong . Right ? He is yeah , the British circuit man . It's good in the heavier weights , but as you start going down , even like to middleweight , it's just not all that . You know what I mean .

They get their fucking eye sockets broken .

It's weird , I don't know , dude . They look so skilled too . As a whole they look slick boxers . There's like some I don't know what to say . There's like some I don't know what to say . There's dog missing . I don't know what the fuck it is , it's just from a strictly gambling perspective I don't know .

I'm with you , though , bro . I've never seen one country of fighters get the same injury in a fight so many times . It's absurd .

That is true .

You got .

Brooke twice . Yeah , yeah , and different sides yeah , both sides , different sides saunders .

Yeah , yo , what's did you see , I saw , a picture man .

I forgot about that yo , I saw a picture of him recently like teaching kids to box in the gym .

He is big bro , he looks like an sec fan he is big very big eating good after that payday you know , yeah , literally like uh , but yeah , and it sucks too because , like , if he's , if he was able to stay active there's , there was a lot of good fights at 168 for him at that time , even 175 , but it's like he's good enough .

He's good enough to fucking throw some monkey wrenches in the fucking fight in in that weight class like and he can sell .

Well , he walked so I could run . Dude , he was like a legit fighter , though , yeah .

He was good .

Like I liked watching him fight too .

Yeah , he , he was , he was . He kind of reminded me of um Caleb plant . Like with he's , he's not boring , but his style , which would be boring . He , whatever he did with that style , would make it not boring .

Yeah , he , he moved more around , though like he used angles differently than than caleb does . Caleb will move back and then around rather than like billy would move around in the pocket . You know like you're right . But but that was also because he was a southpaw , so it was like easier for him to get around the lead leg . Then yo , he was working .

That's canelo fight too . Man , he was , he was doing his thing , and then the eye thing . But I was like jesus , you kind of saw it , though like canelo's base , like I don't mean like canelo is girthy , I don't know what he's got between the legs , but like waist down . Besides , between the legs he's .

Go ahead . I appreciate it . Puma and Shane , it's nice meeting you too . I'll follow yours as soon as I get off of here ?

Yeah , for sure . Just get ready , just don't bring your kids around .

They're old enough , they probably hear it worse . It's all right , no , he doesn't pull punches . That right . No , no , he doesn't pull punches , that's for sure . No , but you guys can uh follow me on squirt circle report on instagram and squirt circle report official on on the youtube all right , man .

Thanks a bunch , shane , go ahead , you don't need to plug your shit . You dwarf us with all your followers , but it's uh just just punchlines boxing on instagram and stuff .

I don't have youtube , I don't have I'm uh twitter and other , just instagram I don't do , I just do youtube and instagram too .

I'm on twitter , but yo twitter gets like twitter's weird dude like I .

I get it's insane bro , like I'm not even , like I've seen so much shit that I don't follow and it's all about like politics , yeah , yeah , and then like things I care about . I never get like hate dms once in a blue .

I see so much shit that I don't follow and it's all about like politics , yeah , and then like I never get like hate DMS once in a blue moon , maybe , like like a lot of like Gervonta fans message me and shit . Like once in a blue moon , nothing crazy .

this is weird bro , you ever try posting on reddit . No , no , that shit'll make you want to kill yourself . Really , it's great .

People are fucking dickheads , dude it's great for porn , though when you figure it out , save that comment for a different day .

All right , y'all follow the podcast , follow all them and thanks a bunch , guys .

I'll uh , I'll let you guys know again when we come on again . Hopefully my guy willie will be here , but again he's feeling a little under the weather , but we're out .

Thanks again , guys all right , talk to you guys later . Thank you .