I'm Tony. I'm Eric. We are the sons of San Fernando. But we've been friends for over 40 years. And grew up together in the San Fernando Valley. These are the stories of our experiences as adventurous Gen X latchkey slackers from back in the day. And don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button so you don't miss an episode. Look at that little cube. Oh, recording. Yes, it does record digitally. And you can't see
it. You can't see your recording. You know what I mean? Like, it gets on, it looks like anything else. For example, your recording on that Zoom looks just like a picture, looks just like a Word document. You can't see it. Yeah. on the media. That means it's not really there. It's not really there. We grew up in an age where you could see your media and you knew what it was. You didn't see a record and think, hey, that could be a word document. Well, there
was no word. Do you remember the first word processors? I used to work on Lotus 123. That's not an answer. No, but I'm saying, you mean the physical word processors? Yeah, you remember when we had those full like... Oh, I thought you meant like working on spreadsheets and stuff. No. No, you remember we had like, they were like little typewriters. The first like, computery type thing we had was these, there were these little typewriters, but they were
also word processors. I don't think I ever worked on those. And they had little windows where you could see your text and write your stuff out before you printed it, and that was the big benefit, is that you could print it, you could see it before you print it, and edit it before you printed it out. I don't think I had one of those. Do you remember Whiteout on a typewriter? Whiteout on a typewriter? Yeah, it wasn't a part of the ribbon. There was that,
yeah. You had some typewriters that had it in the ribbon. That was, I sucked at it. I do all my book reports on typewriters. How interesting though is, I would kinda like to get a typewriter and start to write people letters. I'm gonna do this. Tomorrow, I'm buying a typewriter. And some stamps. And you just. And it reads to people. Would you not lighten your day by a million times if you went down to the goddamn mail and it wasn't just bills, but you actually
got a letter from me in the mail. You still get bills in the mail? I guess I don't really, to most of them. But you're saying if you did have a pile of bills, and you opened up. Instead of a pile of advertisements. Advertisements, right, you have a pile of advertisements, and then within that pile of, you got your Val pack, and your Val Kilmer package. That's right, the Val pack, right. Inside that, Barry and all of that is a letter. And the envelope,
it's handwritten to me. It's handwritten, and there's a stamp. And there's a stamp, and then you open that motherfucker, and inside of it is a serial killer. A killer type. That'd be amazing. Letter. Okay. Now, you were talking about actually typing out letters to people and sending them to them. But I like this idea better. Why is that? I'm going to send letters to people, but they're going to be those where you cut a single letter out of a magazine and
it looks like a ransom. Right. Serial killer. Yeah. Ransom. But I'm not gonna make it a ransom, I'm gonna actually make it a nice letter, but it's gonna be cut out. I really enjoyed going to the park. That would be so terrifying. And there's something so inherently terrifying about the mismatched letters. Maybe that's just because the association. Even if you're talking about fluffy puppies. Or puppy fluffies. I prefer a puppy fluffy. Okay. Maybe I shouldn't do
this. But I think I will anyway. It depends on who you send it to. I don't think it's a good idea, but I don't think it's a bad idea either. Or a superior of any kind. Well, I'd have to get a job. If somebody's bullying you're trying to get a job, I'd have to get a job first. That's what I was gonna say, you'd have to have a job. Okay, so I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna get a job. And then I'm gonna send said type of letter with
a cutout. To your boss. To my boss, yeah. Okay, please. But it'll be a nice letter. Yeah, but you should do all of this and then we'll see how long. Just for this experiment. Yeah, but that's what I'm planning on And then see how long it takes until I get fired. Okay, I like this. I like this. And we'll take bets. It'll be a pool. Now, I think in one of my early jobs, one of my old bosses would have actually thought that was very funny. was back when
I worked in the record store. That, yeah, it's because you were talking about records and you really. I was talking about records, I mean, yes, I had Berlin, we worked at a record store, but you worked at the record store when there were also CDs. Well, I were, okay, yeah. Weren't there CDs there? Yeah. Wait, how old were you? This was 1988. Okay, so in 88 we had CDs. Yes, but we still had. And they were in the tall, the tall skinny packs. Yeah, now, the picture,
so I was working at Music Plus. Plus is the place. I don't wanna picture it. No, you do. Okay, I will, I don't want to. But now you're going to. I'm going to. I'm forcing it on you. Yes, no, I'm going to, I just don't want to. We still had a couple of bins of. vinyl. Okay.
There was still really yeah because nowadays the vinyl revolution is like in the late 80s there were no there was no like it was it was it was almost gone there were still a few record stores that just carried vinyl but as far as like the big the big the big chain yeah uh the warehouse right uh music plus uh we had power records power of power i don't know if it was big we had i think it was a one-off we had big bends remember big bends yeah Where
was Big Ben's? Big Ben's was over in... Oh, God, I don't wanna talk about anything that was in Encino, okay? It's garbage. Encino is absolute garbage. No matter what moon unit tells you on that song. Like, oh my God. Encino is garbage. So here's the question. 88, you had mostly CDs that were in the tall, skinny tower boxes. The tall, skinny, yeah, the tall boxes. Now, which is, what a waste of packaging, by the way. And they finally figured that out.
But let's just say, when did, were cassettes? Well, I got something to say boxes. All right, fine. Here's the thing. So you know why they manufactured the tall boxes? To have bigger art. Partly. Okay. So yes, you had these tall CD boxes, you had the artwork, so it's kind of like, you know, more like an album, but still not quite. Right, no. And then we used to have a lot of booklets. They came with booklets. All CDs came with booklets. So, but this, the
tall boxes were also meant to... deter theft because they were big. It was hard to see. Like an album. It's hard to stick an album down your pants. Well for you. You know, not for me. 45s weren't so hard, but you stick like a box set down your trousers. You try to stuff a box set in your Wranglers. You got down the trowel. You got like the Eagles greatest hits down your trowel. Down trowel. Down trowel. Oh, by the way, we gotta start. Oh, we got
it by the way. Down, down, we gotta, we gotta start that, uh, that saying, we're saying down, down No security, just walk right out. Because back then, we didn't have cameras everywhere down our butt holes like we do today. Today, everyone has a camera in their butt hole. I think so. Every single person. Everybody's looking at everybody. Butt hole. Yeah. your eyes. It's amazing. You can't go anywhere. I don't but you get used to it. Now there was a period
where I was like, oh my god, you've been watched everywhere you go. Now it's like, whatever. Yeah, I know. Then you didn't. So we trusted the system. So we would do inventory and like... Half the CD boxes were just empty CD boxes. Really? Yeah. That much stuff? Oh yeah, it was massive. Really? And then they finally caught on and they put those stickers on the inside. Yeah, and I remember, then, when you open the goddamn jewel case and you're trying to take
those little... First of all, they would get under your fingernail and pierce through your finger. They were meant to draw blood. Super painful drawing blood. And then you couldn't get them off. And then when you did get them off, you broke the goddamn jewel case. Remember when you would break the edge off the jewel case? And then you had to buy extra jewel cases, then people like, Music Plus started selling. Like a 10 pack. That was by design. It was
the same people. The jewel case people had something going on there. They wanted to, they made them shitty, so you had to buy them all. It's so fucked up. And then you bought the skinny ones. You're right, you bought the skinny ones. They got the skinny ones. That's right, they're where the skinny ones. But you couldn't get the skinny ones for the ones, like when you got an Eagles box set, you needed the big pamphlet that came inside of it that was like a Bible.
You had to get the thick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A chunk of jewel case. But here's my question. Yeah, yeah. Okay, we know, well let's, you know what, let's go down history lane for a moment. Okay. I frequent History Lane. Yeah, I park there sometimes. It's a nice place to have a bagel, for example. An Americano I like to get on History Lane. The first commercially recorded thing that people could buy on a mass level were vinyl LPs. Right. That was really,
I mean, that's really where the records store... It wasn't the first iteration of it. No, it wasn't the very first thing that recorded. But it's where they're mass producing them. Right, the first mass producing... You go buy a record of Mozart's yada yada. My parents had some vines. Yeah, I had a lot of fun on the house. I didn't have a lot growing up. I can tell you what we had in the house. We had some Harry Belafonte. You had Harry Belafonte in your
house? He was in a drawer in my house. That sounds uncomfortable. Not for me. What did he, did he? I was fine. Did he join you for breakfast? Often, and it was really jubilant. when Harry Belafonte joined us for breakfast. Then we had some Frank Sinatra, a lot of Sinatra LPs that my dad was a huge Sinatra fan, fly me to the moon my way. My dad had a lot, he was more, he was classical. I was gonna say, man, my dad was into death metal. That'd be
amazing, my dad's like, listening to the cannibal corpse. No, it's not a vinyl! You're like, dad, what are you listening to? Bernie, our generation, we came after the Atrex. No, we didn't buy Atrex. No, we didn't buy Atrex, you're right. Yeah, Atrex were passed. Nor did we buy 45s. Just a few. I remember. I did buy LPs, I did buy vinyl LPs. I remember my very first. 45 do you remember your first 45? I never had I never bought a 45. I only bought LPs. Really?
I only bought LPs. I remember my mom taking my brother and I to get and my brother He might remember this even better like I think I have this right. What was it? Okay, we both got to pick one 45 okay, and any idea? Jackson 5? Wait, Star Wars. Oh the Star Wars theme on one side and what do you think was on the flip side of that 45? Was it John Williams? Cantina Band. Brrr Amazing. Okay, also great. I mean, dude, we had some amazing film music back in the day. And we
bought a lot of soundtracks too. I remember buying LP soundtracks. Soundtracks were amazing back then. It was huge, it was a big deal. My favorite one was The Mission. And I used to listen to The Mission, and I did not know until years later that it was Ennio Morricone who did all the spaghetti westerns, but he wrote The Mission, and that music is incredible. In fact, I'm gonna listen to it on the way home tonight. Are you now? Yeah. I'm a big Ennio
Morricone fan and I didn't know. Are you gonna listen to it on 45? I wish. Okay, so let's talk about that for a moment. You bring something up. I did. The sound. The sound of vinyl. Now, we live in a digital age. I have a record player. I have vinyl today. And you have a really good setup for it. That's the thing. I do, I have a preamp. I've got an EQ. And that makes the difference, because when I was listening to my parents' vinyl, it was on the massive piece
of 500 pound furniture, right? The console, the console. Record player. You opened up that big wooden lid. It was like Star Wars. And then you got- Pneumatic lifts. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And it had the massive speakers behind that sort of like... The mesh. Mesh, yeah. The crazy metal mesh, yeah. And you had... With the design, like a wooden design. I don't know about yours, but we could do 33 and a third, we could do 45 and 78. You could change the motherfucking
speeds. And on mine, you could do the auto drop. Yeah, we had the auto drop too. I love the auto drop. But when you played it through the speakers, it sounded fucking... great or you could plug in headphones. It did sound good. It did. But you fast forward to these days. And most people have those stupid crossley things that they get in. It's a complete piece of shit. Urban outfitters. Don't fucking. Sound like garbage. You're just pissing me off that
they can even sell those. Why? They sound like ass. So people like they're going and they're getting this nice fucking vinyl, they're going back and they're playing in a fucking crossley. It sounds like shit. No, you have to have a nice turntable. So if you. A nice stylus. To your point, if you listen on a good system. Yeah. It's. nothing else man. My cousin has
a Macintosh. Oh, oh. He has a Macintosh, preamp, Macintosh speakers. That's mad cash. You can't get that thing, his amp is so powerful you can't get it past two, but when you listen to that thing, I've turned up some old vintage LP on his system. It must sound unbelievable. It's warm, it's got pops, it's got crackles, it's got snaps, it's rice fucking crispies man. It's rice motherfucking crispies. It is. The best kind. It is. It's very different. I during
the digital age when we were younger and it was probably the early 90s. And by that time, everything we owned was CD because it seemed like the future and it seemed like it was better. Yeah, I mean, you couldn't, like it was almost indestructible. It sounded really good. On paper, digital is better. You didn't have to flip the fucking thing, it is. Yeah, on paper it's better, but then, but here's the thing, the compression and the warmth of a good vinyl.
playback system. There's nothing that beats it. Anyway, I had been listening to CDs and I went into this thrift store and I don't remember where I was. I think it was in Santa Barbara somewhere. Maybe in Isla Vista or something. There was a thrift store and this dude was blasting Bob Marley on an amazing. turntable slash hi-fi system from like the 70s. That sounded unbelievable. And I was like, whoa, why does this sound so different than everything
I'm listening to today? And that's when it clicked that like, oh, there's something to the vinyl. And that's amazing for home, but the problem was that wasn't portable. That was not portable. So cassettes. Cassettes, oh, well cassettes. So you had the cassettes, yeah. Wait, let me ask you a question about cassettes. Did cassettes, were they concurrent with vinyl? Yeah. I mean,
cassettes had been around, well there was eight-track before the four-track cassette. Yes, and then cassette, I don't know if cassette was, it was definitely during the vinyl days, I'm sure vinyl obviously was first, but cassettes were around before CDs. Did you ever experience the eight-track player in a car where you could skip songs and just jump? The only eight-track player I ever remember was actually well after 8 Tracks weren't a thing anymore. Taki had
an old Cadillac that he bought. It was a mile fucking long, yeah. And it had an 8 Track player, which was, had to go out and buy some 8 Tracks. Dude, that's fun. The car was a piece of shit. Do you remember what the 8 Track car that you bought? I know he bought, I don't know what he had. Do you remember what you had? I don't know, but it was fucking cool. Did you listen to any of them in the car? Oh yeah, it was cool. Yeah, it sounded like it sounded so fucking
big, kissy and green, but warm to cassettes to also sound different. There had to be some Elvis or something. But I will say cassettes don't hold up with the kind of quality that L.P. Yeah, but right. But cassettes, that was what I lived on. Like in the car. Because yeah, yeah. Because I tried I tried the whole turntable in the car thing. And I did that setup and
it just never worked right. But we didn't know. You hit a bumpy fucking skip. We know that you're joking, however, we did do the CD conversion to cassette player in our cars before we actually had CD players in the cars. Remember the cassette that you would put in the car and you would plug it into a CD player? Yeah, but first we had cassettes. I mean, we just had cassettes. For most of the time we had cassettes. I don't know about you, but remember you buy at the...
at the record store, you would get the big... Cassette holder. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, the zippered one. So you got the small one, like 12 or so. But then they had one that was like, it held like 500. Oh! It was like you jam it in your trunk. They were amazing. And you're right, you're right. We all had, like all throughout high school, there was nobody I knew who did not have a cassette holder. Yeah. And at first it started out just a few. So you only had
like, what? 8, 10, 12. And that's all you had to choose. So you listened to the same goddamn album 600 times. And that's how we got to- That's a fair warning, $65,000. And we did. I would listen to fucking Emotions until I wore out the fucking cassette because that's all you had. Now you get in your car and you can listen to anything. You have a billion fucking songs. On Spotify. Back then you only had whatever fit in your cassette case. But then you would
buy bigger and bigger cassette cases. You would. And pretty soon you had like the- Trade out, trade out, right? And remember, at home, we had the cassette tower. Oh yeah, you'd have like 180 fucking cassette tower. Wall hangers for cassettes, cassette towers. Did you alphabetizers? Eric. I will say, today, to this day, in my record collection is alphabetized. Yeah, but
you didn't alphabetize your cassettes? But back then, I did not alphabetize my cassettes. Numbers came first, and then A through Z. You wouldn't happen to be the son of a librarian, would you? You Dewey Desmo motherfuckers. You son of a librarian. Chantal, if you're listening, you son of a librarian. You are a son of a librarian, and I appreciate that. I appreciate the organization.
But in the car, at some point it got to be where you wanted more selection, so you got the bigger and bigger... cassette holder, which means, like, at some point, you had to have one less person in the car because you needed space. You need your cassette holder, sir. Yeah, I took up. And you definitely have a hatchback of some sort. Oh, there's no way. My first, like, three cars were hatchbacks. Just to hold my cassettes. So we had cassettes. That was
brilliant. You listened to the same motherfucking albums over and over and over. And. And then you'd swap out the ones from home. And in the summer, what would happen? Melt. Yeah, the cassette holdups would melt. In the valley, 110 degrees. And the cassettes would melt. The cassettes would actually melt. Yeah, they would melt every year. They would have melted
cassettes. Then you had to bring, that's when they started bringing out the cassette holders that had handles that you could pick up and bring into your fucking house with you when you got home. Yeah. Otherwise you would melt your cassettes in your car. And that happened to me multiple times, or I would lose cassettes. Remember cassette singles? Cussingles? You do, don't you? I don't... I think I had many cassingles. Cassingles wound up being a hot
thing. It's like, cause then it became the ad. It became the ad. It became the ad vend of the single. No, the single happened a long time before that. That was the 45, what do you think a 45 was? Yeah, but it played further on. Yeah, because you had the cassette single and then you had like the extended cassette single, which give you like three or four songs. And then, no, this was the fucking coup de grace. This was the fucking shit right here. Personics.
Yes. There was a system that we had in the store for a while at Music Plus. You could make your own cassette. Oh, okay, wait. Stop right there. Just stop right there. Mix tapes. We were already doing it home. We were already doing it home on our dual cassette recorder. I remember I had a little boombox that recorded, right, that my dad got me from downtown, you know. Yeah, you'd record off the radio. Right, and you, okay, so you record off the radio. So I would
hold, so we had a little radio built into the wall of the kitchen. It used to be a monitoring system that you could, it was an intercom to upstairs and you could talk to the upstairs. And you'd hold the boombox up to it, aren't you? But it also had a radio in it, and I would hold the boombox, waiting for Jay Geil's Angel, is it Angel is the centerfold or Angel in the centerfold? Angel is the centerfold. Okay, so Angel is the centerfold, waiting for that to
come on. I remember waiting for, you know, Land Down Under is the name of the song for the Men at Work. Men at Work, yeah. I remember waiting for those two songs to come on to record them, right? And then you would just like literally at the end of every song get ready to press play and record on your boombox. Boom, hold it up, record it. I mean, talk about lo-fi. Every one of our mixtapes had like that, you would hear the DJ like talking in the beginning
of it or the end. Yeah, at the end or the beginning of it, right, exactly. And they'd do like a funky fade up. Because you used to always talk over the beginning of the song. And now coming in for do-d the intro music. So that was part of your mixtape. Which is why, back then, if you listened to songs from that era, there are a lot of songs that have eight year long intros. Yes, because it was for the DJs. Yeah, and they would talk over your intro. That's a good point, I didn't
think about that. You don't have that anymore, you don't listen to a song that has an intro that's a minute fucking long. You know, like listen to the original version of Jetliner, of a Steve Miller band. Da da da. Oh. Junkedy gunked down. Yeah. Liddy liddy liddy. It's like it wasn't for a minute. You have a fucking cup of coffee. There's like a whole verse. Do do do. No no no. It's just nothing happened. There's no. Dude, make it mixed. I did, like
it reminds me now of doing that same thing. Recording off of like. Oh yeah. Well, we had KLOS and the Mighty 690. KLOS. Uh huh. 95.5. You can do better than me. 95.5. I can't do it. Your voice gets lower. Try it. It does. 95.5 KLS That was so smooth. Rock of the 80s. That's so smooth. Actually K-Rock might have been the Rock of the 80s. Rock of the 80s, yeah. K-Rock was Rock of the 80s, yeah. K-Rock, dude. Great, great station. Still around. Still.
Is it really around still? Yeah, K-Rock's still on. Really? I'm still making mix tapes off of K-Rock. Okay. Yeah. I still hold my boom bucks. Did you ever make a, boom bucks? Did you ever make a mix tape for a person and give it to them? For a girlfriend in high school or such things? No. Oh, you didn't? No, just like, maybe one side. That was the thing that I did! I don't know, I missed that boat. I remember doing that for Meredith O'Sullivan. If you're
out there, Merida Sullivan. Haven't seen her since you did 1990. It was probably the mixtape you gave her. Yeah, she was on a long time. You fucked up. What'd you put it, yeah, you put, yeah. You had, well, that's the question. What was on the mixtape? Yeah, what was it? Well, definitely Peter Gabriel. That was your first idea, Little Red Rain? You gotta put In Your Eyes on them because of Say Anything, right? Because Say Anything became the ultimate,
like, romantic teen song. Yeah, and she's like, oh my god, another mixtape with Peter Gabriel. No. Yeah, you fucked that up. I feel completely... If you would've put like a little Def Leppard animal on there or something like that, it would've been a whole different story. Or, um, hush hush. Keep it down now, voices carry. Did you just tilt Tuesday me? That's a great song. It's a great song. You agree? Oh yeah, Amy Manning just, bomb voice to this day. Love that song.
Which is why that ended up on a fuck ton of mix tapes. Right. Before CDs really, really embedded themselves. Took off and like sucked you in and that was it, that's all you had. Dat. and mini disc. Who had deck players? Nobody. Nobody had a mini disc. No, but for a hot minute, a few things, a few artists, they put out songs on mini discs. Yes, they did. I remember that
the mini disc- It was a format that didn't make it. And you know why the CDs won? Why? Because you could fit a lot more in your CD wallet to put in your fucking- That's the other thing. To then use what you were talking about earlier, which is the cassette adapter for the CD disc. So we went from the CD player in your car. Do you remember the visor holder? Oh no, what do you mean do I remember? You had a visor holder? I held like 20 CDs. Right, yeah, held a bunch
of CDs. So I had. You had to take them out of the jewel case and stick them in there. Yeah, but I had this, so you had way more selection with CDs because they're skinny, they're flat. You could. and they're easy to get to while you're driving. Just like my ass. Skinny and flat. Right, exactly. Yeah. Go ahead, sorry. And I had the cassette adapter thingy-dealy. So you'd shove that cassette In my ass. In the ass. In the cassette butt. It worked much better
in the cassette player of the car. Ah, speak for yourself. I don't know what you're going for. Did you have a hi-fi ass? What was that sound like? Was it stereo? I don't believe it was. Did you have a stereo butthole? Okay, stereo butthole. No, but that's an invention you need to work out right now. No, that's a band name. Yeah, stereo butthole. Stereo butthole,
wow. Yeah, it's a punk band. Okay, sorry. Yeah. Visor, CDs. Visor, but the cassette that had, you would stick this funky cassette in the cassette player in your car and have that wire coming out that went to the Discman thing. Oh yeah, I had one. And then even then though. It would jump. It would jump, yes. How many times you'd be driving, hit a little bump, it would skip, it would skip. That's so annoying. But still. You had that portability and I had like fucking
50 goddamn CDs in my car. Yeah, so you could hold more CDs than you could cassettes. Lot more selection. Right, so our cassettes took a back seat. Everybody put their cassettes in a brown box, cardboard box they put in garages at their parents' house. Oh yeah, just stop listening to them, yeah. And then they would just sit there. Years later, you go back and be like, oh my God, all these cassettes, said I love all this music and I don't have a cassette
player. Yeah, and then you would try, but then you would plop, bump into a cassette player and realize that the fucking. the tape had fucking warped and it sounded like shit. That's the problem. And, but the thing is, is that you, there's no nostalgia around cassettes. There's no nostalgia around CDs because they don't have the sound that vinyl records have. And vinyl records had the artwork. Artwork, they had the- The big artwork. Huge! And even CDs did have
like lyric sheets and stuff, but not like the albums. No, having a 12 inch square that you could look at artwork and open a pamphlet or an insert that had a fold out photo of Mick Jagger or whatever, David Bowie. I mean, that shit's amazing. And they tried to replicate that with the little booklets and the CD players, but it just wasn't the same thing. It was never the same. And now, with digital media and digital music, there is no connection to any physical
product. music comes via zeros and ones into our phone and we don't have any kind of connection just like art. And you know and you know what you know what that killed? Hmm. What did digital radio star no video killed the radio star according to the Buggles. Right. Video killed the radio star in my mind and in my car. That's excellent. Thank you. Because what did we do? Like, okay, side A and side B was, no, it's okay, I'm going somewhere. Oh, I see, I see. It was all one.
You're saying it's one side versus side A, side B on an LP or a cassette. It was side A, side B. Okay, that's true, that's a good point. I never thought about that. And then once you got to CD, but CDs you were still listening to a full album. Yeah, still programmatic. You're still listening to an album. Then when you got to MP3s when the whole Napster thing happened, now it's single. Nobody's listening to a fucking album anymore. And that's the
problem now. And I remember when it was first digitized and you would listen back to stuff that was digital. you wouldn't get, like there would be separations between songs where there wasn't supposed to be a separation, where songs flow into each other programmatically, and it was problematic to listen to. But now they fixed that, but that took a while to index those things properly. But you're right, that is interesting. I never thought about the fact
that the side A, side B thing went away. Because side A, side B really is like act one, act two of a storytelling experience. record, well, what we'll call it albums. I mean, it's not vinyl, it's not cassette. The album. was a lot of them were designed that way. Right, programmatic. Right, where that very, very last song was like that one weird, like, it was like fucking Darling Nikki or something off of 1999 or. Or the Beatles, a majesty is a pretty nice girl, but she doesn't
have a lot to say, it's 30 seconds of her majesty. And so on side A, you'd have like a banger coming right out, but then usually the single was like two or three deep. Yeah, yeah. And then side B, that first song on side B had to be fucking. a banger again. Yeah, yeah. Blah, blah, blah. Once you got the CDs. Say it's your birthday. It completely changed. You had, the order changed. Yep. And then after that, it was like. You're right. Nobody's listening
anymore. I never thought about that before in my entire lifetime that with CDs you have A through Z without a separation. Yeah. Song one through 10, one through 12. You don't have act one, act two anymore. Yeah. You've cut that out. It was very different. And then once you go all digital. The choice of the order of songs was very, very different because you didn't have a side A side B. Sequencing was different. You're right. That's true. That's a very good
point. And then with digital, or not with digital, I'm sorry, with MP3s it went away because now it's just, it's all single driven. Nobody's listening to the record. And you know what that killed too, were concept albums. My Butthole? Do you have a concept album about your Butthole? If you did, if you did, and I'm not saying you do, but you might. I love it. Because I know you. What's it called? What would you call a concept album by your butt hole? I would call it Flat and Skinny.
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