I'm Tony. I'm Eric. We are the sons of San Fernando. But we've been friends for over 40 years. And grew up together in the San Fernando Valley. These are the stories of our experiences as adventurous Gen X latchkey slackers from back in the day. And don't forget to hit the follow or subscribe button so you don't miss an episode. I love a Donkey Kong. I love a Donkey Kong Jr. I love- Is this what you spend your weekends
doing? Have you ever noticed the naked indigenous woman on the Topo Chico box? She's got some- Never noticed this before. She's got some serious side boob going on. What is happening? No, she's got some major side boob. Hold on. What the fuck? How is this happening?
I cannot believe this is a real like they're still putting a naked indigenous woman who looks so white But just with like brown skin on an anatole bochico Case wait, she looks like somebody holding that something let me take a look Yeah, she looks like a nelpe cruise Meets samahayek meets yes I was gonna say, um, is she sniffing something? It looks like she's huffing some like the water from the topo. It looks like she's saying, I think she's huffing
something. She's not huffing anything. Um, this is what all I have to say is I got it. I'm calling Coca-Cola company and telling them that their topo Chico cases are racist. You know, what else is pretty fucking racist? What's racist? Cartoons. Oh dude, the early Warner Brothers cartoons? Yeah. Oh my god! The way Native Americans are depicted in the early Warner Brothers cartoons, it's banana. And then you have like, oh my god, like African American depictions in like Disney
cartoons, early cartoons. I mean, Mickey Mouse himself, let's tell the truth here. Yeah. Let's tell the truth. It's pretty dark. Mickey Mouse is a racist figure. Mouse. He's a racist mouse. I mean, all of those early cartoons, they stem from a lot of racist tropes. And we watched all of them, not knowing that, of course. We were children. We were exposed. Yes, we were exposed. We were totally exposed. We were exposed. We were overexposed. To a lot of violence and
racism in early cartoon. I mean. Oh, the violence was fantastic though. Oh, brutal, okay. Come on, anvils falling on people's heads. That's good shit. That's great shit. The violence was not the problem. The racism was maybe a little more problematic. You could actually probably trace all the violence back to one place for all the old cartoons. Tom and Jerry. Because I think they... Was Acme an actual company? Probably not, but they supplied the Coyote.
Yeah, I know, the Coyote's getting all his shit from Acme. Yeah, and you know all the other cartoons, all the other cartoon characters are getting from Acme too, even if they didn't tell you. All the bombs, all the contraptions. Which they riff on that a little bit in Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Oh yeah, that's right, yeah. But okay, so. Brilliant, brilliant movie by the way. Who Framed Roger Ravan. Yes. Oh, I mean so smart. Again, not sure how that would
play in 2024. That's probably not so well. Not so well. What do you remember early, early cartoons sitting in front of the idiot box? I was never a Disney guy when I was a kid. I was all Warner Brothers. all the time. Give me a bunny whose name is Bugs and a duck whose name is Daffy. I don't want no fucking Donald Duck. Looney mother fucking tunes. Donald Duck is garbage. Donald Duck cannot be understood. Donald Duck needs speech therapy. Okay? That's
what Donald Duck needs. I don't need to listen to that bullshit. Daffy wasn't exact. Actually, think about speech impediments. Sylvester? Philveth-er? Okay, can we just give a moment of silence and reverence to Daffy? You're about to go blank. Mel mother fucking blank. Blank blank blank. Mel Blanc. That guy was a genius. Nobody will ever fill those shoes. Never. Never be filled. Greatest of all time. You talk about what's his name from Family Guy. Nothing compared
to. Great. But you're talking about the goat. The goat. Mel's the goat. The G-O-A-T. The goat. I don't like saying goat by the way. I'm gonna take that and we're gonna just. Not what do you think? Stupid But though but he was the greatest of all time right Mel Blanc was the greatest of all time But there were a lot of yes, you had a lot of a lot of speech a lot of speech Challenged bugs by the way was clearly from some northeastern port town. He was like
Long Island. You know, somewhere I saw and I can't remember Mel was being interviewed by Johnny Carson and explained like the combination of voices, how we put that together. Yeah, that's actually how specifically. Yeah, and it's been being a voice actor. Right. It's one of those things that is taught over and over again about how to put together different. Yeah, no, it's like the way he did it. The way he did it, the way he put together different
characters to make that kind of character. Oh, and it's brilliant. I mean, Bugs Bunny is an amazing, amazing character. And Daffy Duck, come on, Daffy Duck and Bugs together, I mean, it is Martin and Lewis to the nth degree. It is a better comic combination than has been done anywhere else. Well, I mean. And it's the same guy. Good guy, bad guy. Good guy, bad guy. I mean, because Daffy is a bad guy. I mean, he's a- Well, he's a selfish guy. He's a selfish
guy. You can relate to him. He's not Elmer Fudd bad or Yosemite Sam bad. Even Elmer Fudd! You can relate to all these guys. They all have their- Dude, how many times did Elmer Fudd's double barrel, like banana peel back at him, like every day, with a finger in the shotgun. I love the finger in the shot. That's brilliant. The simplicity. of those early cartoons, it was just like, how many different ways could the Coyote get fucked in half by the Roadrunner?
Fucked in half, that's a good, that's a good phrase. I mean, if I could count, if I had a nickel. By the way, how much money, first of all, how, what is the Coyote doing where he has the money to spend? To get fucked in half? No, he's buying all the stuff from Acme, right? Yeah. What does the guy, what'd he do? Here's a question. No, I know he was a super genius. He was a super genius. So does that pay well? Apparently very well. I mean, we've
seen Bond movies. I mean, this is before Amazon. He's getting the stuff shipped to him. That's what I was gonna ask. Where is he getting from? You know, it must've been mail order catalogs. Which leads you to believe that if he needed to buy the rocket. Yeah, it's black market. The strap to the back rocket, right? So he's gotta go to the mail order catalog. He's gotta. mail away the amount that he needs and a check in the mail order catalog and then wait about,
what, three weeks? Two weeks? Probably three weeks. Because the letters gotta get there. They gotta mail the thing back and then he gets it. This is like- He's being shipped ground. He's not like two day error. He has a lot of, he has a lot of patience and resilience. Yeah, he's way too good. This is a character that we should all admire. There's not a lot to do in the desert. He's got a lot of time on his hands. Here's the other thing. Freaking
Roadrunner's kind of a dick. Yeah, he's always got that smirk on his face. The meep meep, I don't like it. I would like to see the coyote wreck. He should bring it back for one episode and just the coyote wins. Where he wrecks the Roadrunner and blows him to bits. Looney Tunes, Warner Brothers cartoons, were a big deal. We had Tweety and Sylvester. Okay, but then we morph into, which was for our childhood. Sid and Marty Croft. Hannah Barbera. Okay, we just
had two different things. Yeah, we did. Well, let's talk about Sidney Parker from Roddy Cross was earlier than Hanna Barbera. Right. Oh no, they're about the same time probably. Let's go to Hanna Barbera first. Okay, Hanna Barbera. You got your snaggle puss. Snaggle puss. Oh my good lord. Exit stage right. That's right. And then... And then what else did he say to something else? Heavens to Megatron. Right? That was Snagglepuss. That's right. He was
kind of a Pink Panther of his own right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was kind of a riff on the Pink Panther. He was like a speaking Pink Panther. Because Pink Panther never spoke, right? He didn't speak. Not to my knowledge. No, he didn't speak. Yeah, yeah, because we have the old Pink Panther in Inspector cartoons also. Ging, ging, ging. That's right. While our parents had the movies, we had the cartoons. They were good too. Those were good. Okay, so you had,
wait, were those Hannah Barbera too? I don't know, I have to look back. They might have been. Who else was? Was Rocky and Bow-winkle, Bow-winkle? I know, but let's just talk for a moment about a flying squirrel and a moose. And Natasha and... And, oh, can you get it? Boris. Yes, Boris and Natasha. Yeah. By the way, perfect, you got... the Russians against a- A moose and a squirrel. That makes perfect sense. Just like today. Perfect sense. Just
like it's the same as it is now. The same as today, yeah. Yeah, it has not, nothing's changed. Russians against a moose and a squirrel. Yes, and honestly, those were good too. I mean, I didn't- Oh, and Dudley Do-Right? Oh yeah, Dudley Do- Oh, and Tom Slick. Do-do-do-do-do-do. Tom Slick. In the thunderbolt, we slap her when he's on your tail. We won't hesitate, because you know there's no such word as fail too. Tom Slick. Okay, that was good. Okay, you wanna
talk about the inside? Super chicken. Oh, oh yeah. When you find yourself in danger, when you get your nipple eyes a-kicken, there is no one else to turn to, when there's no one else to turn to, call for super chicken. Call for super chicken. And then, Okay. Then, Oh wait. Doong doong doong. George, George of the jungle, strong as he can be. Oh! Dun dun dun. Watch out for that tree! That's what that was. Those were good. See, this is good. And then. When he got. No, well,
we were. We developed into older people, as one does. Yeah. As people do. And cartoons evolved into far more gnarly. Strange. Explicit and strange cartoons. So we're talking the
Sid and Marty Croft. Oh, no, that's earlier. That's okay. I want to go I want to run and stimpy Okay, no, I'm gonna go back for a second because you want to talk about go ahead because I'm curious to hear what you guys I'm sick as fucking mushroom acid trip as Ren and Stimpy was Oh sit in my HR motherfucking puffin stuff That was yesterday come and play with me Jimmy come and play with me and I will take you on a trip far across the sea The boat began to
drift, the boat was gone. The beautiful boat was gone. Remember? Right? It's a super acid drip. That's exactly even the song. Dude, but that whole fucking show. And then, HR puffin' stuff. Where to go when things get rough. HR puffin' stuff. Oh, I love that show. But complete craziness. It was like a hammer. It was a bit dry. It was a dry. He was a hamburger dragon. A ham dragon. He was a hamburger. He was a ham dragon. He was a dram burger. A dram. He was
a big talking hamburger. He was a dram burger. We had the big boots. He had big boots. He had nice boots. Did he have boots? Remember Witchy Poo? Ah, dude, Witchy Poo was great. She had the vroom vroom. The vroom vroom. She was a motorized bro. Yeah, she had the, yeah. That's pretty rad. It was like a post-art or something like that. I, I. But Jimmy the Flute, a talking flute for the love of God. Played by, I love that guy. Here's the thing. And
then Cling and Clang, the little dudes on the, like the. Can I tell you a weird memory that I've never really told anyone? Are you comfortable with this at this point? I gotta go into it now, yeah. All right, I really wanted to be Jimmy. I was like, I idolized Jimmy in age of British lad. You wanted to be a young, skinny British lad with a bad haircut? Yes. He had a bowl cut. He had a Davey Jones. He had Davey Jones or a Beatles
cut. Yeah, totally. I don't know. I don't know why, but I idolized Jimmy. He was like such an innocent dude. And he had a cockney accent. Yeah, he did. Which you gotta love. You know what I mean? I think it was Dodger in Oliver Twist, the movie. He played the artful Dodger, same actor. Which was your favorite of the Sid and Marty Croft? because I have a favorite. And well, I think H.R. Pref is up to me, but then I have a second favorite. Land of the
Lost. Oh dude, Land of the Lost was also cropped. Marshall, Will and Holly, on a routine expedition, and the greatest earthquake of them all. Lidsville. The Bugaloos. The Buggaloos. They had the best theme songs back then. They're in the air and everywhere, flying by. A lot of things, Lizville was in the air too. A lot of flying, a lot of fantasy. The Hatter was like a Mad Hatter with Charles Nelson Riley. Oh dude, Charles Nelson Riley. Dude, hello, Sigmund the motherfucking
sea monster. Sea monster, oh my God, okay. Sigmund the sea monster and Johnny and Scott are friends. Fuck me sideways. Sid and Marty... Okay, genius. By the way, none of these are cartoons. No, no, they're all live action. They're all live action. I mean, Sid and Marty Croft, I don't know, they must've created new fucking drugs. They were on acid. They were on some fucking cocktail. They were on the peony acid cocktail ability. And thank God, because they entertained
the shit out of us for years. Sigmund the Sea Monster 2 was like, it was like the most low... budget costumes. Dude, that sea monster? Yeah. It was some little person in a sea monster costume. Probably Billy Barty. It was probably Billy because he got all the gigs. You know what? I can look that up. Billy Barty got all the gigs. He did. He got every gig. Time bandits and everything. I guarantee. I will bet. I'll bet you right. No, because you won't take the
bet. Because you know it was Billy Barty. It wasn't even Billy Barty. Of course it was Billy Barty. I bet he had $8 million. So it was Billy Barty. I'm Billy. How did he get every little person gig that existed? in 19, like from 1965 to 1980, it was only Billy Marty. You know why? Why? He sold Sid and Marty Kravitz the drugs. He sold them their assets. He was the dealer. Yeah, he was the dealer. Yeah, that makes sense though. That makes sense. Of course
he's gonna get to be in the Sigmund the Sea Monster outfit. So then you- Either that or it was like an eight year old, because back then there weren't as many labor laws for children. But apparently there was still more- There are still more drugs after that for the producers of these cartoons because then we get into the Ren and Stimpy days. Yes, the Ren and Stimpy. Which John Crick, full year's Eve. Was that like the 90s? Oh my God, John Kay. That was
the 90s, right? That was the early 90s. Early 90s, yeah. And that was sort of the end of like your average sort of like hand drawn cartoons was Ren and Stimpy. Now, Ren and Stimpy was the, and for us at that age, so now we're in the early 90s, we're in our early 20s. That shit was wild. And it was perfect because I don't know about you, but I was just a stoner. Yeah, well, I wasn't a stoner, but it still, it fit the bill. It was the per- you'd sit
there with a sleeve of Oreo double-stuffs and a bong. How did you eat your Oreos? Did you split them? Or did you bite them? For a double-stuff, I just went straight in. I didn't even split. Well, double-stuff, yes. If you're into the double-stuff, then you could just bite straight down. If you've got a single stuff, which is not what they were called. Yeah, then you gotta twist. Originals. You twist. You eat. And you twist and lick. No, oh, that's disgusting.
Did you ever twist and lick? I didn't lick. I'm not a twist and licker. No. No, I did not twist and lick. What I did was I twisted, took off the just cookie side, ate the cookie first in just like I want to get this over with, and then would eat the stuff plus cookie half. See now I would take an Oreo and I'd twist it and... You're a licker? I would lick the icing and then I would take the side that didn't have the icing and I would crush it up and I would
snort that. That's good. That I can get behind. And then I would watch Ren and Stimpy. It would sort of set the tone for all modern cartoons that were irreverent and like I don't think Family Guy exists without Ren and Stimpy. Or even more modern ones like... I don't think that... A big mouth. Yeah. Okay, so John Mulaney and all those guys and Coco Nutsworth. Coco Nutsworth does some great voices in that. Well, Nick Kroll does some. Nick Kroll and Coco Nutsworth.
Is really like... He's the brain. Yeah. He's the brain. You'd think it was Kroll and Mulaney, but it's really nice. Yeah, Mulaney and Kroll are nothing without Coco Nutsworth. Coco Nutsworth makes that, without him, they're nothing. Those guys are brilliant. But again. That was all based, it was all trailblazed. By Ren and fucking Stimpy. Where was that on? Where was that broadcast? I don't remember. I can't remember how you watched that. Cause I remember, you know, there was
the, what was the name of the MTV show where they showed like, adult, oh, Adult Swim. What was the name of that show? It was late night. With the girl who was like the woman who was the vigilante. What was it? She was like all like Spider-Woman-y looking. Aeon Flux. Aeon Flux! Yes! By the way, I was so excited when they did a live action movie of that. Wait, they did? Charlize Theron. How was it? Dude, first of all, did you just whip by Charlize
Theron without like taking a... a pause for her. What kind of pause do you need? You think, Ant-Flox, right? Yeah. How great was that cartoon? Great. fucking spies, she could do fucking everything. She had like 12 foot legs. Oh, it was amazing. So you think you're gonna do a live action movie with Charlize Theron, it's gonna be like, oh my God, it sucked the biggest donkey balls ever. It was fucking terrible. You can't do that, Michael. Not her fault,
it was just shit. Right, it was so much better as a cartoon. But that was like, yeah, that was on like some, it was like Midnight or something like that. Yeah, it was on like Midnight, it was Adult Swim. That was a great show. A lot of really groundbreaking animation happening on that show. We don't have stuff like that anymore. Well, a lot of that stuff happened late at night like robot chicken. Oh, yeah, robot chicken. That's another one. I mean,
robot chicken is fucking genius. I think the only other like really groundbreaking animation after Ren and Stimpy and then it was like it's all the same after that to some degree better or worse was of course South Park. That was like, that was a big ground breaker. And that was mid nineties. And you know what, you know what? And all of us got a videotape. I remember like everybody, did you get the videotape? We all did, right? The Christmas episode. How
did that happen? Where it was like everybody got the videotape of the Christmas episode. George Clooney as the dog. Yeah. Jesus versus Santa Claus. Yeah. And like, I remember watching that at CalArts and being like, oh my. God, like, who made this? But how did we get the VHS? Everybody was circulating a VHS tape. It just, it spread like a fucking virus. Isn't that weird? And then it got picked up by whoever picked it up. I don't know. I just remember
them, like, Jesus and Santa being in a fight and somebody yelling, you fucking pussy! Yeah, I mean, their heads getting blown off and seeing the spinal cord coming up out of their necks. Now, again, you go back to, we've seen the violence from- The Bugs Bunny cartoons. It goes back to the anvil on the head. The best thing about South Park was they didn't give a shit. It didn't matter. But that's why though. That's why it's so great because nobody was off limits.
So here's the thing though. And by the way, I think it's still going. Is it really? Well we didn't talk about The Simpsons either. Wait, we gotta talk about The Simpsons. We do, we have to go back and talk about The Simpsons. That motherfucker is still, they're still making new, god damn. Simpsons. It has been 30, 40. You'd think they would run out. And by the way. They're heading towards 40 years. But how funny is it, you know, they keep going back.
The Simpsons, they say they can tell the future. Oh, they do. They do. They totally do. Often tell the future. They predicted Trump's presidency. They've predicted so many things. How many things like that? I mean, you talk about cartoons that stand the test of time. Or that test the stand of time. How high is the stand? Sorry, go ahead. Is it a hot dog stand? It's a hot dog stand. And it's delicious. What do you like on your hot dogs, by the way? I like them wrapped
in bacon. Oh, dude, do you eat street meat when you come out of concerts in Los Angeles? See, there's always a street meat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's always street. They say it so quickly. Do you eat the street meat? Hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog. I don't hear it that way, but I'm gonna let that slide. I love the smell. of a nice beef frank. A nice beef frank, wrapped in bacon, with onions sizzling on the side, and then
I think, I'm gonna get one of those. And did you have you? No, because I think of. the lava flow that will come out of my butthole the next day. What is it? They're buying, they're buying Franks, they're buying bacon, they're putting it on a grill. What's gonna happen? They're not doing, I'm gonna, next time I go to a goddamn concert, I'm gonna buy one and eat one. I've never done it. I'm sick of waiting. It was nice knowing you. And I will let you know how it
goes. Yeah, that's the ending. I can tell you right now, it's gonna be the best goddamn experience of my life. Thanks for listening to the Sons of San Fernando. Don't forget to hit that subscribe or follow button in your favorite podcast app so you don't miss an episode. Drop us a review, we'd love to hear from you. If you'd like to support the Sons of San Fernando, the best way is to share the show. We'll catch you on the next episode.